Jesus Camp woo

[~enigma~]

I just finished watching the documentary Jesus Camp and I have to say the 9/11 woowoos are not as bad as I formerly thought. I mean i still think they are a bunch of degenerate woos but the evangelical crew of Jesus Camp...well let's say it makes Dylan, Jason, Korey, Alex Jones, Uncle Fetzer, Judy woowoo Wood and the rest look like a bunch of moral upright citizens that just happen to ignore evidence. My god, this is what they teach kids!!!!!!!!

[gumboot]

Link? :D

(Love the thread title by the way)

-Gumboot

[~enigma~]

Link? :D

(Love the thread title by the way)

-Gumboot
i saw the DVD but here is the trailer

6RNfL6IVWCE

[The Demon's Head]

At least the members of the Jesus Camp don't conduct jihad.

[Unfit4Command]

i saw the DVD but here is the trailer

6RNfL6IVWCE

I'm left almost speechless...it looks like a cult!

How do people become like that?! :confused:

[~enigma~]

At least the members of the Jesus Camp don't conduct jihad.
Watch and learn. They are saying that "christians" should be better than their Islamic counterparts who train their children for the Ramadan fast starting at 5 years of age. Then the "christians" say we are at war? Scary stuff. But woo either way you cut it.

[~enigma~]

I'm left almost speechless...it looks like a cult!

How do people become like that?! :confused:If i wasn't so outraged I would be speechless. All I can say is thank god I am an athiest :)

[Redtail]

I went to A (not the one in the movie) Jesus camp when I was 15. I lost my virginity there. I think about it and am amazed I'm not a Christian.

[Babbylonian]

Quite a trailer. I'll be looking for the movie, for sure. Films like that are far more likely to scare me than the more mainstream-definition "horror movies."

[The Demon's Head]

Watch and learn. They are saying that "christians" should be better than their Islamic counterparts who train their children for the Ramadan fast starting at 5 years of age. Then the "christians" say we are at war? Scary stuff. But woo either way you cut it.

Then I stand corrected.

Indeed. The whole Jesus Camp thing looks loony. I watched and learned about the Jesus Camp on the Glenn Beck Program. Their are somewhat, a few similarities between these Jesus campers and the Islamic Jihadists.

[gumboot]

Wow....

I love it...

"Our enemies are immoral and brainwash their children. We should do it too!"

-Gumboot

[jaydeehess]

I am a lapsed Baptist. When I was in the church I was a counselor at our local church's camp.
Do not judge all Christian summer camps by the one in this video.

The pastor at the camp I was at was a tolerant person. He still believed that homosexuality was a sin and that the Jews were the people chosen by God to be in control of Jerusalem but was willing live and let live vis-a-vis gays and to allow events unfold rather than attempt to force the issue. He was one of the least bigoted people I have met but perhaps that was due to his being part Apache.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

At one point (not in the trailer; I think I saw the clip on The Daily Show), one of the ladies briefly mentions the religious devotion of some Muslims and expresses a desire to see Christians so devoted to Jesus that they, too, would be willing to blow themselves up...

It's sick.

[The Demon's Head]

I would think that this certain Jesus Camp video would be an embarrasment and a discomfort to those who follow Jesus' teachings.

[Pardalis]

I don't have cable, so whenever I go to my parent's house I indulge... And the other day I stumbled on a late night program on I think "VisionTV" (the name says it all) and it was a preacher and his hyper face-lifted co-host who were talking about the situation in the Middle East (rather accurately, surprinsingly). But at one point at the end, they suddenly said that a catastrophy in the Middle East was a good thing because it would expedite the second coming of Christ! There they were, litterally begging for his return and plegging a certain dvd (I don't remember the title, I'll try to look it up).

I was stuned, and sickened. Complete insanity.

ETA: found it, it was this lunatic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Van_Impe

[~enigma~]

At one point (not in the trailer; I think I saw the clip on The Daily Show), one of the ladies briefly mentions the religious devotion of some Muslims and expresses a desire to see Christians so devoted to Jesus that they, too, would be willing to blow themselves up...

It's sick.
At one point they ask the children who among them would be willing to die for jesus. Talk about brainwashing...

[The Demon's Head]

At one point they ask the children who among them would be willing to die for jesus. Talk about brainwashing...

I'd like to hear what the troofer's theory is on this.

Troofers have a CT for everything.

[Totovader]

I highly recommend Jesus Camp- but it is extremely depressing.

I'm sorry if anyone here is religious...

But the difference between religion and conspiracism is only slight- I think battling the one necessarily battles the other (which is why I'm dumbfounded by religious scientists...)

[Pardalis]

Sometimes I feel there are so many loons out there, jihadists, evangelicals, conspiracy theorists of all kinds...

:faint:

Time to feed the budgies.

[Totovader]

Sometimes I feel there are so many loons out there, jihadists, evangelicals, conspiracy theorists of all kinds...

:faint:

Time to feed the budgies.

It would be convenient to think that there's some all-seeing overriding omniscient power to dispatch with these madnesses, wouldn't it...

:mglook

[steve s]

ETA: found it, it was this lunatic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Van_Impe

Yep. Jack's quite the nut, isn't he? I stumbled onto him years ago when he declared that King Juan Carlos of Spain was the antichrist. He had all sorts of "proof." You'd think ol' Juan would be a bigger player in world politics considering that he's the Prince of Darkness incarnate.

And the woman with too many facelifts is his wife, Cruella....er, I mean Rexella.

Steve S.

[Rahne Everson]

But the difference between religion and conspiracism is only slight- I think battling the one necessarily battles the other (which is why I'm dumbfounded by religious scientists...)

Every group has its own clique of fringe, loudmouth radicals that make life miserable for the rest of us.

[uk_dave]

I'd like to hear what the troofer's theory is on this.

Troofers have a CT for everything.

One would like to imagine that the 'truthers' would ponder this documentary and think to themselves "Yes there are whackos out there with a warped view of the world and they sound alot like the people I associate with on my favourite conspiracy forum...hmmmmm", but most likely they will say:

"DISINFO!!! COINTELPRO!! 9!!eleventy!!111!!!!"

[~enigma~]

Every group has its own clique of fringe, loudmouth radicals that make life miserable for the rest of us.
You mean like Alex Jones?

:dl:

[GwionX]

I went to Southern Baptist church camps continuously throughout my childhood. For me it was mostly a chance to ride horses, shoot arrows, and make out with chicks from other school districts. Every now and then it would get serious though.

I don't recall ever being asked if I would "die for jesus." I do remember the activity of co-ed volleyball getting bannished. Some kid musta sprung a boner during recreation time. *shrugs*

The best was when it was decreed that we must burn all of our music albums once we returned home. I approached the huge pyre with a couple of Barry Manilow records I had for some reason, and chunked those evil sunsabeeches to the demon-flames they once came. As a bonus I was able snag Ozzy's Blizzard of Ozz out of a crate; standing by to be destroyed. To this day it is one of my favorites.

All of that hardline Christian "conditioning" didn't really sway me though, probably caused more resentment than anything-- I feel like I have turned out to be a Deist.

[gumboot]

Sometimes I feel there are so many loons out there, jihadists, evangelicals, conspiracy theorists of all kinds...

:faint:


We are the 300 Spartans, standing at the Hot Gates, watching as the Persian Hordes descend upon us. Ultimately, all of us here at JREF know that our lives will be expended and no matter how much woo we may tear down, a literal army of woo will still exist when we are all long dead.

Regardless, I am honoured to stand and fight beside you all.

:D

Go tell the Skeptics, stranger passing by
That here obedient to their laws we lie.

-Gumboot

[jhunter1163]

We are the 300 Spartans, standing at the Hot Gates, watching as the Persian Hordes descend upon us. Ultimately, all of us here at JREF know that our lives will be expended and no matter how much woo we may tear down, a literal army of woo will still exist when we are all long dead.

Regardless, I am honoured to stand and fight beside you all.

:D

Go tell the Skeptics, stranger passing by
That here obedient to their laws we lie.

-Gumboot

Yet still we fight, for lurkers now and lurkers yet unborn, against the relentless tide of woo. Our bodies and names will die and be forgotten, but the lurkers will remain, and will need guidance and protection from the woo.

So come, ye JREFers, and take up your slide rules against the woo. If not for Randi, for the lurkers.

Actually, I just made that up. I thought it was pretty good.

[Pardalis]

We are the 300 Spartans, standing at the Hot Gates, watching as the Persian Hordes descend upon us.


If only we had the sculptural body shape to go with it. :eye-poppi

[negativ]

I don't have cable, so whenever I go to my parent's house I indulge... And the other day I stumbled on a late night program on I think "VisionTV" (the name says it all) and it was a preacher and his hyper face-lifted co-host who were talking about the situation in the Middle East (rather accurately, surprinsingly). But at one point at the end, they suddenly said that a catastrophy in the Middle East was a good thing because it would expedite the second coming of Christ! There they were, litterally begging for his return and plegging a certain dvd (I don't remember the title, I'll try to look it up).

I was stuned, and sickened. Complete insanity.

ETA: found it, it was this lunatic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Van_Impe

Jack Van Impe is great if you're the sort who enjoys televangelists purely for their entertainment value. He's no Robert Tilton, but he's still pretty good.

Check this out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OUTfKoYPhfE

I'm too dumb to figure out how to do the little disclaimer box thingy. :confused:

[Alareth]

Jack Van Impe is great if you're the sort who enjoys televangelists purely for their entertainment value. He's no Robert Tilton, but he's still pretty good.

Check this out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OUTfKoYPhfE

I'm too dumb to figure out how to do the little disclaimer box thingy. :confused:

The format for that would be:

{yt}OUTfKoYPhfE{/yt} using [] instead of {}

OUTfKoYPhfE

[Totovader]

We are the 300 Spartans, standing at the Hot Gates, watching as the Persian Hordes descend upon us. Ultimately, all of us here at JREF know that our lives will be expended and no matter how much woo we may tear down, a literal army of woo will still exist when we are all long dead.

Regardless, I am honoured to stand and fight beside you all.

:D

Go tell the Skeptics, stranger passing by
That here obedient to their laws we lie.

-Gumboot

Oh crap. I just realized that it's only going to be a matter of time now before the conspiracists start trying to draw this parallel... they're rejecting the mystics- they're up against "the many"- they're half-naked and sweaty...

Too bad for them that if they played the analogy out, they wouldn't all be armed with shields, spears, and swords- each one of them would be carrying dowsing rods, invisible sticks, and pop guns- and they'd all be traveling in different directions.

We are the 300- and we will fight in the shade if we have to.

:viking1

[gumboot]

If only we had the sculptural body shape to go with it. :eye-poppi


Speak for yourself... ;)

-Gumboot

[hellaeon]

At least the members of the Jesus Camp don't conduct jihad...

...yet

[hellaeon]

This kind of rubbish really annoys me.

In this day and age we have technology being released that we dreamt of 10-15 years ago. We are on the fringe of using computers with our thoughts.
We have a great understanding of the human body to the point you can be cured of a lot of diseases and other such ailments/injuries that would have killed you 50 years ago. Our lives are constantly enhanced by science and reason, a quest to understand and develop the world around us to fulfill a greater experience for us within it.

The we have the jesus camp crap of having kids crying about ***** they have been brainwashed to believe. Its child abuse. Im sickened and saddened by this kind of fundamentalism. Religion at its extreme is disgraceful, disgusting and has no place in the modern world next to the wonder and beauty of science.

What a joke!

Religion has no place amongst the modern world.
This jesus camp crap and other extreme forms of various religions are the inevitable conclusion of believing in something from the beginning without fact. Its already grasping at straws to believe that something divine created all this but then cant control it because it is part of a plan or some other stupid reason. Where are you know Mr God? Why do you allow such tolerance of intolerance? I guess we can never know the changing master plan....

What a croc of rule8!

This kind of crap deserves no place on the earth. How this rubbish can exist on the same planet next to even a vending machine amazes me. It survives purely by ignorance and a desire not to change or accept the inevitable.

[Horatius]

We are the 300 Spartans, standing at the Hot Gates, watching as the Persian Hordes descend upon us. Ultimately, all of us here at JREF know that our lives will be expended and no matter how much woo we may tear down, a literal army of woo will still exist when we are all long dead.

Regardless, I am honoured to stand and fight beside you all.

:D

Go tell the Skeptics, stranger passing by
That here obedient to their laws we lie.

-Gumboot


I'm partial to this one:


But the Consul's brow was sad,
And the Consul's speech was low,
And darkly looked he at the wall,
And darkly at the foe.
``Their van will be upon us
Before the bridge goes down;
And if they once may win the bridge,
What hope to save the town?''

XXVII

Then out spake brave Horatius,
The Captain of the Gate:
``To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his gods,

XXVIII

``And for the tender mother
Who dandled him to rest,
And for the wife who nurses
His baby at her breast,
And for the holy maidens
Who feed the eternal flame,
To save them from false Sextus
That wrought the deed of shame?

XXIX

``Haul down the bridge, Sir Consul,
With all the speed ye may;
I, with two more to help me,
Will hold the foe in play.
In yon strait path a thousand
May well be stopped by three.
Now who will stand on either hand,
And keep the bridge with me?''

[Horatius]

... and it was a preacher and his hyper face-lifted co-host who were talking about the situation in the Middle East (rather accurately, surprinsingly). ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Van_Impe



As soon as I read this bit, I know it was Jack and Rexella! They've been claiming every strongman for the last 20 years or so was the antichrist, and every war-like event in the Middle East as the start of Armageddon. And it never seems to phase them when they always turn out to be wrong - they just move on to the next war.

[valis]

I would think that this certain Jesus Camp video would be an embarrasment and a discomfort to those who follow Jesus' teachings.

Except you can do the same thing with anything. You name a group, any group, and someone can make a documentary making them look like absolute maniacs.

I think I'll make a documentary about Democrats, I'll shoot all the footage at meetings of Lyndon Larouche followers.

[Alareth]

Except you can do the same thing with anything. You name a group, any group, and someone can make a documentary making them look like absolute maniacs.

I think I'll make a documentary about Democrats, I'll shoot all the footage at meetings of Lyndon Larouche followers.

But they are maniacs ;)

[Mr.D]

At one point they ask the children who among them would be willing to die for jesus. Talk about brainwashing...


Not to mention missing at least three of the most important lessons of their own religion.

[gumboot]

Not to mention missing at least three of the most important lessons of their own religion.


I thought the whole point was Jesus died for us, not the other way around... :confused:

-Gumboot

[~enigma~]

I thought the whole point was Jesus died for us, not the other way around... :confused:

-Gumboot
Apparently not in that camp because they have the kids dressed up in camo doing a cute little combat dance. But what do I know, I'm just a Jew and I killed Jesus :)

[negativ]

Not to mention missing at least three of the most important lessons of their own religion.

I kinda hope they continue to ignore the important lesson in Luke 19:27 (http://bible.cc/luke/19-27.htm) and Matthew 10:34-36 (http://bible.cc/matthew/10-34.htm).

[firecoins]

Sarah Silverman from Jesus is Magic

Everybody blames the Jews for killing Christ, and the Jews try to pass it off on the Romans. I'm one of the few people who believes it was the blacks.

[kimota]

I plan on seeing this, but for the moment, I'll give my thoughts about the trailer.

As valis pointed out, you can make a documentary about a group and put almost any spin on it. I was thinking you could show a group of kids going crazy over Sesame Street On Ice and it could look cult-like.
It's also open to interpretation. As ~enigma~ said earlier:
At one point they ask the children who among them would be willing to die for jesus.Actually what was said was who was willing to "give their lives up for Jesus". Not exactly the same thing; it could be meaning who is willing to commit their lives to Christianity. (Although, I am going by just the trailer, whereas ~enigma~ has seen the whole documentary.) But I can imagine some Christian families, particularly with an us vs. them mentality, wanting to seek out a Jesus camp like this for their own kids, actually feeling encouraged that such a thing exists.
I also wonder when some of this footage was filmed or are there places where the mullet is still popular?

[Babbylonian]

I also wonder when some of this footage was filmed or are there places where the mullet is still popular?
Don't forget the "rat tails" in evidence. I always found that hair style bizarre. Then again, for the first 12 years of my life my grandfather took me to his barber and I would have my hair cut ridiculously short (not quite a "crew cut" but close). It was only years later that I found out my mother hated what her dad did to my hair. :)

[Redtail]

I also wonder when some of this footage was filmed or are there places where the mullet is still popular?

Amazingly, all over.:eye-poppi I Blame Dog the bounty hunter.

[pagan]

I just finished watching the documentary Jesus Camp and I have to say the 9/11 woowoos are not as bad as I formerly thought. I mean i still think they are a bunch of degenerate woos but the evangelical crew of Jesus Camp...well let's say it makes Dylan, Jason, Korey, Alex Jones, Uncle Fetzer, Judy woowoo Wood and the rest look like a bunch of moral upright citizens that just happen to ignore evidence. My god, this is what they teach kids!!!!!!!!


I DL:ed watched it too.

The evangelicals or born again christians or whatever you call them. They are not a little fringe group. They are several 10's of millions (40 mil?). They are the majority of the xtians in the US. They decide who will be the next president. They are the voting cattle for the Bush adm, they are very loyal and are 30% in the popularity polls who never stop to support him.

They are deeply delusional, irrational etc. They are an important part of the American society. Therefor the whole American society are delusional, irrational kooky, weird and crazy.

[strathmeyer]

I also wonder when some of this footage was filmed or are there places where the mullet is still popular?

They're a closed society! Our immoral mullet-hating ideals cannot permeate their lack of watching normal tv, listening to normal music, or acting like normal people.

[~enigma~]

I plan on seeing this, but for the moment, I'll give my thoughts about the trailer.

As valis pointed out, you can make a documentary about a group and put almost any spin on it. I was thinking you could show a group of kids going crazy over Sesame Street On Ice and it could look cult-like.
It's also open to interpretation. As ~enigma~ said earlier:
Actually what was said was who was willing to "give their lives up for Jesus". Not exactly the same thing; it could be meaning who is willing to commit their lives to Christianity. (Although, I am going by just the trailer, whereas ~enigma~ has seen the whole documentary.) But I can imagine some Christian families, particularly with an us vs. them mentality, wanting to seek out a Jesus camp like this for their own kids, actually feeling encouraged that such a thing exists.
I also wonder when some of this footage was filmed or are there places where the mullet is still popular?kimota, you saw the trailer and to be brutally honest the intent of the trailer is to make the movie attractive so you would want to see it. The "interpretation" you are making is based on a clip of less than 1 second of the assistant speaking. Maybe if you actually saw the entire video and heard the pastor Becky Fisher you would understand. Now if you really think that you can make a bunch of kids watching Sesame Street on Ice look as bad as this documentary makes christianity look, I will be the first in line to see it. As a matter of fact, make a documentary and prove it. I know your premise is wrong. BTW, to the best of my knowledge this footage was filmed in it's entirety between 2005 and 2006 and yes there are some parts of the country where people wear mullets (popular in trailer parks) and kids have those tails (also popular in trailer parks) and they are both popular among christians trying too hard to be cool.

[c4ts]

I saw no actual combat training in that trailer. Where are the children doing push ups in the snow and learning how to make car bombs?

[~enigma~]

I DL:ed watched it too.

The evangelicals or born again christians or whatever you call them. They are not a little fringe group. They are several 10's of millions (40 mil?). They are the majority of the xtians in the US. They decide who will be the next president. They are the voting cattle for the Bush adm, they are very loyal and are 30% in the popularity polls who never stop to support him.

They are deeply delusional, irrational etc. They are an important part of the American society. Therefor the whole American society are delusional, irrational kooky, weird and crazy.So you freely admit illegally downloading the documentary and you aren't the least bit concerned that the vast majority of evangelical nutcases will report you to the proper authorities? Shame on you :)

[~enigma~]

I saw no actual combat training in that trailer. Where are the children doing push ups in the snow and learning how to make car bombs?
Who said training? I said they were dressed in camo makeup (and clothes) doing some make believe war dance.

[c4ts]

Who said training? I said they were dressed in camo makeup (and clothes) doing some make believe war dance.

Nobody, but people seem to be reacting as though it were a reality or close to it.

The supposedly pacifistic values of Christianity are obviously not a selling point. Hypocrisy, on the other hand, can sell just about anything, so they dress it up as warfare.

Then again, I've only seen the trailer.

[~enigma~]

Nobody, but people seem to be reacting as though it were a reality or close to it.

The supposedly pacifistic values of Christianity are obviously not a selling point. Hypocrisy, on the other hand, can sell just about anything, so they dress it up as warfare.

Then again, I've only seen the trailer.Ah...isn't it hypocritical though. Attract viewers through non-pacifist views and then pull out the real pacifism. That is extremely hypocritical but the sad truth is they never pull out the pacifist values so according to this documentary evangelical christians are dangerously deluded. They even bring out a cardboard cutout of George Bush and tell the kids to welcome him and call the cardboard Mr. President!!! Then they tell the kids bless him (the cardboard) and to do warfare (apparently spiritual) and pray over him (again the cardboard) in tongues. What kind of crap is this to teach children????? And then they have children taping their mouths during an anti-abortion "demonstration." As I said, this documentary makes 9/11 woo woos look like rational humans in comparison.

[chipmunk stew]

Becky Fisher was apparently very happy with the way the film turned out, which says to me that it's probably a pretty fair representation of her views and of the camp.

If the indoctrination techniques used by these people on their children are widespread, it's not too much of a leap for some of these kids to become violently radicalized. These are young kids, and their psyches and emotions are being impacted and manipulated with such force that it's likely that at least some will end up with an irrecoverable disconnection with reality. It's a toss-up what will make the biggest impression on any given kid. For some, it could easily be the war-like imagery, the admonition to be willing to die for their lord, the idea that their enemy is being trained to die for his lord, etc. In a few short generations, this symbolic spiritual warfare could easily morph into real flesh and blood violence, IMO.

[kimota]

kimota, you saw the trailer and to be brutally honest the intent of the trailer is to make the movie attractive so you would want to see it. The "interpretation" you are making is based on a clip of less than 1 second of the assistant speaking. Maybe if you actually saw the entire video and heard the pastor Becky Fisher you would understand. Now if you really think that you can make a bunch of kids watching Sesame Street on Ice look as bad as this documentary makes christianity look, I will be the first in line to see it. As a matter of fact, make a documentary and prove it. I know your premise is wrong. BTW, to the best of my knowledge this footage was filmed in it's entirety between 2005 and 2006 and yes there are some parts of the country where people wear mullets (popular in trailer parks) and kids have those tails (also popular in trailer parks) and they are both popular among christians trying too hard to be cool.
As I said, I look forward to seeing this (my local library or my online rental queue, whichever comes first) and I will probably come away with many of the same impressions you have. If you think I'm trying to defend the Christians portrayed there, you're wrong about that. I just had a problem with the "give your life up for Jesus" = die comment. Again, you've seen the whole documentary, which I acknowledged before, and may be referring to something else.
Addressing that my "premise is wrong", I'm assuming that it's about my comment of interpretation. Practically everything that we convey to each other is affected by interpretation. There's presentation, which is done by the sender and interpretation, done by the receiver. Bias is going to show up in both parts, but they don't necessarily match. In the case of Jesus Camp, most of us here would see the fearful dichotomy, but others will see it as unwavering conviction (as Becky Fisher herself probably sees it). Or in pagan's case, blanket anti-Americanism (but then again, what isn't anti-American according to pagan?).
I've been wanting to see this since learning about it on the Academy Awards and will be glad to comment more once I have seen it.

[~enigma~]

Addressing that my "premise is wrong", I'm assuming that it's about my comment of interpretation.No. It is about your remark that "spin" can make a documentary of children watching Sesame Street On Ice look as bad (or evil) as Jesus Camp does for christianity (at least evangelical). That is plain wrong and if you think it is true, i ask you to make a documentary proving your contention.

[firecoins]

documentaries don't prove anything

[hellaeon]

If you cant see the dangers of extremist religion, I can only wonder why.

Your trying to put facts into a place where facts are irrelevant.

Dont be tolerant of this kind of intolerance towards a non religious way of life.

[kimota]

No. It is about your remark that "spin" can make a documentary of children watching Sesame Street On Ice look as bad (or evil) as Jesus Camp does for christianity (at least evangelical). That is plain wrong and if you think it is true, i ask you to make a documentary proving your contention.
Ah, now I know where you're coming from. Sorry, I was thinking in terms of the children's behavior, not the adults motivating them. I think that seeing large groups of children overenthusiastic about anything can look cult-like, which was my original description. Wasn't trying to imply bad or evil, as you had in mind.
Yeah, I don't think it's likely I'll find promoters saying, "There are two types of people. Those that love Big Bird and those that don't". Or a skater saying, "It's us or them; this is war!" just before he puts his Ernie head on. Or "Don't send your children to the Blue's Clues show; they'll force a hand grenade on them".
Sorry about the misunderstanding.

[~enigma~]

Ah, now I know where you're coming from. Sorry, I was thinking in terms of the children's behavior, not the adults motivating them. I think that seeing large groups of children overenthusiastic about anything can look cult-like, which was my original description. Wasn't trying to imply bad or evil, as you had in mind.
Yeah, I don't think it's likely I'll find promoters saying, "There are two types of people. Those that love Big Bird and those that don't". Or a skater saying, "It's us or them; this is war!" just before he puts his Ernie head on. Or "Don't send your children to the Blue's Clues show; they'll force a hand grenade on them".
Sorry about the misunderstanding.NP MS. Kimota or is it Mr. Kimota or just plain vanilla Kimota?
i am enigma..faceless yet unknown headbanging stormtrooper that might have been kicked in the crotch..or that could be fiction...you decide :)

[kimota]

Just plain kimota, Miracleman (or Marvelman if you're UK) fan.

[~enigma~]

Link? :D

(Love the thread title by the way)

-GumbootHey...your avatar is suprisingly like the camo makeup the kids put on...

Secret is out Mr. Norad Ninja :)