What is your favourite science?

[andyandy]

nice and simple. :)

and no arguments about whether maths or computing constitutes "science" - it's my poll and i say they do!

[Cuddles]

Well, obviously physics is the right answer because that's what I do. :)

Is it just me, or does it seem odd that the forum counts a poll response as a post, so I have to wait a minute before I can post this?

[OMGturt1es]

where's geology?

:(

[fls]

Are math and computing sciences? Where's psychology, geology, anthropology, etc?

I smell a bias, although I'm not supposed to notice because it smells like my own.

Linda

ETA: Apparently I can't read small print.

[geoman]

where's geology?

:(

Ditto turt1es. I propose that we take the Planet X option as geology!

[TobiasTheViking]

hm, i have studied computer science, and have graduated.. still, voted for physics. :)

[andyandy]

lol

ok....anyone who feels that their favourite field has been neglected can express their preference in the thread....

(of course if it's not in the list then it's not a proper science and so doesn't count) :D

[Jeff Corey]

See post #4.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Math is not science. Computer science is really math + craft, although program debugging is a science.

~~ Paul

[Ivor the Engineer]

Doesn't everyone love mathematics (even though it is not science)?

[HarryKeogh]

Astronomy...without the heavy physics parts. I'm too dumb to follow that stuff like these other posters with their fancy book-learnin'

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Yes, I love math! Say it loud, say it proud!

~~ Paul

[Math Maniac]

Math + Me = Bonkers (in a good way).

[fls]

Doesn't everyone love mathematics (even though it is not science)?

I don't see how they couldn't!

Linda

[ponderingturtle]

"Physics is the only science, the rest are just stamp collecting" Ernest Rutherford.

[Deetee]

I'm a medic, and I voted physics - it rocks.

I didn't have a clue about it at school - it terrified me, but I managed to get an A for it at A level somehow. But just love the concepts and principles, and my meanderings through JREF in the last few years have reinforced my affection for it.

And as Cuddles once said..... (see my sig)

[Mercutio]

Experimental Analysis of Behavior.

Cos "what we do" is about as interesting as it gets.

[Jorghnassen]

Math is the mother of all sciences.

/but I like playing in the backyard of all sciences

[Loss Leader]

So, as far as you're concerned, social science is an oxymoron?

[ponderingturtle]

Math is the mother of all sciences.


Not really. Math is a subset of logic, you can't find anything in math that is logical, elegant and untrue. That happens in science all the time.

[canadarocks]

I'm , obviously, for Geology. I find that geology nicely combines scientific elements of biology (paleontology), chemistry (geochemical thermodynamics, phase-diagrams, carbonate formation, etc), and physics (geophysics, sedimentology, etc), without necessarily being a true expert in any discipline. It also has elements of being an art and provides for utilization of critical thinking skills. The use of multiple-working-hypothesis ideas gives us the opportunity to verify/validate one hypothesis over others (which is a basic aspect of science).

[Baron Samedi]

Where are the categories for "Social", "Rocket", "Voodoo", and "...tology"?

[HarryKeogh]

Is Scientology a science? I mean, it practically has "science" in the title!

[Prospero]

Biology. It's the "big picture" science that combines all the other disciplines into a system with some really fantastic emergent properties.

[RenaissanceBiker]

I voted for physics because there was no astrology option.:rolleyes:

[Baron Samedi]

Is Scientology a science? I mean, it practically has "science" in the title!

It is 5/7th Science, plus a whole lot of useless junk at the end. It should count, right? :D

[KingMerv00]

I voted for physics...I'm a chemist. I'm ashamed.

[wollery]

You forgot Astronomy.

[Jimbo07]

Wollery,

Astronomy's just a subset of physics...

... just like the everything else. :D

Seriously, dropping Geology for computing on the list demonstrates... I don't know, but something that has nothing to do with science anyway. It's an egregious oversight at best.

[ponderingturtle]

I voted for physics...I'm a chemist. I'm ashamed.

Ah chemistry is nothing special, we covered it in one lecture in my stat thermo class.

[kane42]

I voted for physics...I'm a chemist. I'm ashamed.


Well, physics can be flashier and has much better press. ;)

I voted chemistry, but as a physical chemist with an astronomy minor it was a hard call. :)

[The Atheist]

Bistromathics

[The Atheist]

Well, physics can be flashier and has much better press. ;)

I voted chemistry, but as a physical chemist with an astronomy minor it was a hard call. :)

Cor! 5 posts in 5.5 years, you'd better have a wee lie down after that.

[elgarak]

Physics, without a doubt.

"Math is to physics as masturbation is to sex."
"Physics is like sex. Sure, it gives some practical results, but that's not why we do it."
- Richard P. Feynman

[wollery]

Wollery,

Astronomy's just a subset of physics...:eek: How dare you! :mad:










Astronomy's more of an art! :newlol

[~enigma~]

Ah chemistry is nothing special, we covered it in one lecture in my stat thermo class.
Your stat thermo class lasted 4 years?

[Fnord]

Physics.

It's the basis for all other true sciences.

Math is "only" the common language.

[ponderingturtle]

Your stat thermo class lasted 4 years?

Naa, 50 minutes. But I have heard of classes doing it in less time.

[The Atheist]

Wow, andyandy, you voted for maths!

Better put my name down for chemistry. Always fascinated by chemical reactions, especially ones which cause explosive results.

[fishbob]

I voted physics because that was the closest second option in the poll, but this holds for me too:
I'm , obviously, for Geology. I find that geology nicely combines scientific elements of biology (paleontology), chemistry (geochemical thermodynamics, phase-diagrams, carbonate formation, etc), and physics (geophysics, sedimentology, etc), without necessarily being a true expert in any discipline. It also has elements of being an art and provides for utilization of critical thinking skills. The use of multiple-working-hypothesis ideas gives us the opportunity to verify/validate one hypothesis over others (which is a basic aspect of science).

[nimzov]

I studied geology but I hate it.

No option for chess so I voted maths, physics is my second choice.

"Chess is everything: art, science, and sport". – Anatoly Karpov

nimzo

[AmateurScientist]

Probably as good a place as any for these:

An engineer, a physicist, and a mathematician are shown a pasture with a herd of sheep, and told to put them inside the smallest possible amount of fence.

The engineer is first. He herds the sheep into a circle and then puts the fence around them, declaring, "A circle will use the least fence for a given area, so this is the best solution."

The physicist is next. She creates a circular fence of infinite radius around the sheep, and then draws the fence tight around the herd, declaring, "This will give the smallest circular fence around the herd."

The mathematician is last. After giving the problem a little thought, he puts a small fence around himself and then declares, "I define myself to be on the outside!"

*******************************************

When considering the behaviour of a howitzer:

A mathematician will be able to calculate where the shell will land.

A physicist will be able to explain how the shell gets there.

An engineer will stand there and try to catch it.

AS

[AmateurScientist]

"Physics is the only science, the rest are just stamp collecting" Ernest Rutherford.

I like that quote.

AS

[nowoo]

I got my degree in computer science, I've been very interested in evolution recently, but I still voted for physics.

[wollery]

I'm sure that I've posted it before, but this thread seems the pertinent place to repost it.

An astronomer, a physicist and a mathematician are on a train going to Scotland. As they cross the border the Astronomer looks out of the window and sees a black sheep in a field.
"Hey, look," he says, "Scottish sheep are black."
The physicist says, "We can only say that some Scottish sheep are black."
The mathematician sighs and says, "All we can say is that in Scotland there is at least one field which contains at least one sheep at least one side of which is black."

[Mercutio]

Physics? The science of Targ and Puthoff? Biology? The science of Rupert Sheldrake?

I repeat--Experimental Analysis of Behavior. It is possible for someone to know physics, yet still believe that somehow it does not apply to humans. Free Will, and all that... I want to see a behaviorist who believes in psychics...


(ok, I admit, most psychologists will tell you that there are no behaviorists left at all...they are wrong, mind you, but there are not a lot of us...)

[Jorghnassen]

Not really. Math is a subset of logic, you can't find anything in math that is logical, elegant and untrue. That happens in science all the time.

Logical, elegant? What kind of math have you been studying? There's a reason why set theorists have a tendency to go insane. You make it sound like math derives naturally from logic, when a lot of math doesn't arise naturally from itself...

[OMGturt1es]

I'm , obviously, for Geology. I find that geology nicely combines scientific elements of biology (paleontology), chemistry (geochemical thermodynamics, phase-diagrams, carbonate formation, etc), and physics (geophysics, sedimentology, etc), without necessarily being a true expert in any discipline. It also has elements of being an art and provides for utilization of critical thinking skills. The use of multiple-working-hypothesis ideas gives us the opportunity to verify/validate one hypothesis over others (which is a basic aspect of science).

also, you get to say "talc" as often as we want. just try it. "talc". "talc".

it feels damned good, doesn't it?

[kellyb]

Physics.

[Wavicle]

My undergrad degree had majors in Math and Computer Science.

I voted biology because neither field my degree is in are sciences, and physics profs were my least favorite science teachers in college. (I intended to major in physics when I started college; they fixed that right up in a hurry!)

[murphyr]

I'm (trying to be) a chemist. I'll go with that.

[Slimething]

I voted for physics...I'm a chemist. I'm ashamed.

How could you? Send your ACS card back right now! I stayed true to my school and voted chemistry. After all, it started the others!

Those who can memorize become biologists. Those who can calculate become physicists. Those who can think, memorize and calculate become chemists. Let's not forget that, OK? :biggrin:

[Pro7]

I have several degrees in the study of cybernetics. :) I voted for biology.

[Slimething]

Here's another one:

A group of physicists were on their way to a conference and observed a group of chemists waiting for the same train at the station. After they had bought their tickets, they noticed that only one of the group of chemists had bought a ticket. They figured "idiot chemists: they're going to get thrown off the train!"

By happy coincidence, the two groups happen to seat themselves in the same car. The chemists keep a lookout for the conductor and, as they see them approach, they all pile into a bathroom. When the conductor arrives, the physicists each hand over their tickets. Seeing the "occupied" sign, the conductor stops by the bathroom, knocks on the door and asks for the ticket. A ticket slides under the door, the conductor punches it and leaves. A minute later, the group of chemists pour out of the bathroom laughing at their cleverness. The physicists fume at having each bought a ticket. They confer among themselves and figure they can play that game, too.

On the trip back, only one of the physicists buy a ticket and they are awestruck by the audacity of the chemists as none of them has bought a ticket. Again, they're seated in the same car. Again, when the chemists see the conductor, they all scurry into a bathroom and the physicists do the same. Before the conductor arrives, one chemist emerges from that bathroom, knocks on the physicists' bathroom door and yells "tickets, please". The ticket slides out under the door...

[skeptigirl]

You left out half the sciences!

Astronomy, geology, paleontology.

Those are my faves because I can treasure hunt for meteorites, fossils and really great rock specimens.

My next faves are any science with the latest greatest new discovery.

[skeptigirl]

I'm sure that I've posted it before, but this thread seems the pertinent place to repost it.

An astronomer, a physicist and a mathematician are on a train going to Scotland. As they cross the border the Astronomer looks out of the window and sees a black sheep in a field.
"Hey, look," he says, "Scottish sheep are black."
The physicist says, "We can only say that some Scottish sheep are black."
The mathematician sighs and says, "All we can say is that in Scotland there is at least one field which contains at least one sheep at least one side of which is black."Oooh, I need this in another thread! Thanks.

[Slimething]

You left out half the sciences!

Astronomy, geology, paleontology.

Great sciences. Any field that systematically studies nature using the scientific method is a science. Assigning names to the fields is, in my mind, silly. Ever sat on a two-legged stool?

[Ersby]

The tags "is best" and "maths" seem to denote a slight bias on the part of the thread starter, perhaps? Hmm?

Idle comment: when I taught English as a foreign language in Italy, I'd say the classes with the highest percentage of good looking women were always the science based classes. Especially meteorology, which surprised me, I have to admit.

[Ivor the Engineer]

Physics, without a doubt.

"Math is to physics as masturbation is to sex."
"Physics is like sex. Sure, it gives some practical results, but that's not why we do it."
- Richard P. Feynman

That probably explains why I'm quite good a math then.

[Cuddles]

And as Cuddles once said..... (see my sig)

Ooo, I'm famous. Cool.:D

Signed autographs are available on payment of a large bribe.

[ponderingturtle]

Logical, elegant? What kind of math have you been studying? There's a reason why set theorists have a tendency to go insane. You make it sound like math derives naturally from logic, when a lot of math doesn't arise naturally from itself...

So please cite an example of something that is logicaly true in math, but incorrect? Math is not a science because it does not deal with any imperical data, and does not test anything.

[Complexity]

For something to be a science it has to attempt to model reality using the scientific method. Part of this definition is intent.

Parts of a field can be scientific while other parts are not.

Math in general is not scientific. Math is the study of constraint and consequence. The axioms of a theory are the constraints. The axioms may be freely chosen without regard to reality.

Areas of applied mathematics may be scientific.

One of the weirdnesses of mathematics is the usefulness of the results of non-scientific mathematics to science.

Mathematics is far more than a mere language, and more elegance will be found in mathematics than in any other human pursuit.

Many areas of the computing sciences are not scientific. The study of algorithms and complexity is scientific. This is what I do, and I love it. Pity I'm not getting paid to do it, but people never pay you without attaching strings.

I enjoy a good book about physics more than almost anything else. Evolution, of course, and I've taken a keen interest in immunology.

Ok, I'm a science whore - I'll read most things about science that I have a chance of understanding.

[sphenisc]

Here's another way of classifying disciplines...

http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2007/03/scientific_method_relationship.php

(The download is large - but fun!)

[Juustin]

Why isn't 9/11 Truth an option?

[Ben Tilly]

Even though my background is in math, I had to vote for physics because math is not a science.

Ben

[Ben Tilly]

Not really. Math is a subset of logic, you can't find anything in math that is logical, elegant and untrue. That happens in science all the time.

I see that you're unfamiliar with the sausage-making that constitutes actual mathematical practice.

The history of mathematics is full of logical and elegant proofs that were accepted for a time but turned out to be untrue. If you want some good examples, read http://www.amazon.com/Proofs-Refutations-Logic-Mathematical-Discovery/dp/0521290384.

Cheers,
Ben

[ponderingturtle]

I see that you're unfamiliar with the sausage-making that constitutes actual mathematical practice.

The history of mathematics is full of logical and elegant proofs that were accepted for a time but turned out to be untrue. If you want some good examples, read http://www.amazon.com/Proofs-Refutations-Logic-Mathematical-Discovery/dp/0521290384.

Cheers,
Ben

That is a failure in logic, and a mistake by the individuals involved it does not make it anything like real science.

[Jorghnassen]

So please cite an example of something that is logicaly true in math, but incorrect? Math is not a science because it does not deal with any imperical data, and does not test anything.

See Ben Tilly's reply for examples, though I was thinking of illogical, inelegant truths (there exists nowhere dense, uncountable sets of measure zero, no wonder Cantor went crazy). And it's spelled empirical. Funny thing is there's an entire branch of mathematics that's all about empirical data: it's called statitistics... (though you were probably told those aren't "real math" by some pure mathematicians who couldn't understand an intro stat course with baby calculus as the only prerequisite). And dealing there's tons of testing that can be done dealing with abstract structures and objects, but "experiments" in math cannot be used to prove anything, they can only help our intuition.

As you can guess, I disagree with the empiricist definition of science, or the idea of a unique, necessary and sufficient "scientific method" to do science, Incidentally, the "scientific method" I was taught in high school had the most insightful first step ever...

[Ben Tilly]

That is a failure in logic, and a mistake by the individuals involved it does not make it anything like real science.

I agree that mathematics is not a science. However casually dismissing large chunks of historical mathematics as just "a failure in logic" guarantees that you will severely misunderstand the history of mathematics. It also makes it difficult to understand current mathematical practice.

For example the entire idea of mathematics being a set of theorems that proceeds from a set of arbitrary axioms is less than 150 years old. Claiming that the thousands of years of mathematics that preceeded this idea was not really mathematics is to fall prey to the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

As for current practice, a high proportion of mathematical papers have mistakes. It is generally very difficult to find these mistakes. If one says that those are not really part of mathematics, then virtually no modern work of mathematics can be known to be part of mathematics.

Cheers,
Ben

[sphenisc]

I agree that mathematics is not a science.

Great, Can we start a campaign to get it banned from Science classes!

Something like "ID = Genesis, Mathematics = Numbers"

[Jekyll]

Great, Can we start a campaign to get it banned from Science classes!

Something like "ID = Genesis, Mathematics = Numbers"

Maths, like breathing, is not a science. It's just a prerequisite for getting anything done.

This looks like a good time to plug the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics:

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/MathDrama/reading/Hamming.html

[Crazycowbob]

Physics! That's the way to go. I picked it because I looove electricity, making things that spark, or light up, or light things on fire just make me all warm and tingly inside. Of course that's probably how I'll end up dying, frying myself as I try to make the largest Tesla Coil in the world or something or other...

[John Hewitt]

An astronomer, a physicist and a mathematician are on a train going to Scotland. As they cross the border the Astronomer looks out of the window and sees a black sheep in a field.
"Hey, look," he says, "Scottish sheep are black."
The physicist says, "We can only say that some Scottish sheep are black."
The mathematician sighs and says, "All we can say is that in Scotland there is at least one field which contains at least one sheep at least one side of which is black."
I went for chemistry ..

but, as someone who has read a few scientific philosophy books since then, I have to wonder about this sheep, one side of which is reported to have appeared black to these workers.

But were they sure, truly sure, that this sheep was black, in its deepest essence, its nuomenon? Were they not overinterpreting their observation? Did they calibrated their detection apparatus with standard samples? At what time of day was the observation made?

When they said black, were they referring to the colour of the sheep or to their perception of its personality? Are they, in some measure prejudiced against this sheep? Is this supposedly black sheep, in fact, an unacknowledged member of their family? Did they ask a disinterested observer to check their results?

Let me be blunt here, I believe that this behaviour is typical of the manner in which members of the British scientific establishment conduct themselves toward dissenting members of their flock. The whole thing is just a typically woolly evasion of the facts and I stand foursquare behind this innocent sheep in its struggle. "Baah," I say, "baah to them all."

[DanishDynamite]

Tough choice between math and physics.

I love the way math is so interconnected and how it is possible to prove fairly complex questions from first principles. I love the way math provides no room for wriggling. It either is or is not.

(As a side note, I don't consider math a "science")

On the other hand I love physics for the insights it provides about the world I live in. In fact, in many ways these insights are the only reason I might want to live forever. Simply to understand the Universe I inhabit fully before I die.

[Jorghnassen]

So to what definition of "science" does everyone adhere?

[TX50]

Natural Philosophy

[wollery]

I went for chemistry ..

but, as someone who has read a few scientific philosophy books since then, I have to wonder about this sheep, one side of which is reported to have appeared black to these workers.

But were they sure, truly sure, that this sheep was black, in its deepest essence, its nuomenon? Were they not overinterpreting their observation? Did they calibrated their detection apparatus with standard samples? At what time of day was the observation made?

When they said black, were they referring to the colour of the sheep or to their perception of its personality? Are they, in some measure prejudiced against this sheep? Is this supposedly black sheep, in fact, an unacknowledged member of their family? Did they ask a disinterested observer to check their results?

Let me be blunt here, I believe that this behaviour is typical of the manner in which members of the British scientific establishment conduct themselves toward dissenting members of their flock. The whole thing is just a typically woolly evasion of the facts and I stand foursquare behind this innocent sheep in its struggle. "Baah," I say, "baah to them all."You know John, that was almost funny.

[andyandy]

So to what definition of "science" does everyone adhere?

The pursuit of objective knowledge of the world (and universe)?

Under such a(n) (admittedly loose) definition one could place mathematics within the realm of science if one perceived the underlying reality of the universe to itself be mathematical....

ha. :) I may just be trying too hard to justify including maths in my science poll......

[Taffer]

I am forced to go with what I know and love.

Thus, I voted Biology.

[Fnord]

So to what definition of "science" does everyone adhere?

I can't speak for "everyone," but this one works for me:

SCIENCE: A systematically organized and researched study of the body of knowledge about the natural physical and world and associated phenomena, which can be consistently proven experimentally without positing an improvable supernatural being or realm.

[ViperVisor]

biology

[Almo]

Bistromathics

While I'm a big fan of Douglas Adams, I never found Bistromath to be funny. It presented an odd mental picture, but that was as far as it went for me. The Inifinite Improbability Drive was a much more clever concept, in my opinion.

[Almo]

My undergrad degree had majors in Math and Computer Science.

I voted biology because neither field my degree is in are sciences, and physics profs were my least favorite science teachers in college. (I intended to major in physics when I started college; they fixed that right up in a hurry!)

I had a physics prof like that... many people I knew dropped. I dropped the class... but got a great prof next year. :)

[ingoa]

Physics.

Physicists are the smartest, nicest and most attactive scientists.

A ducky can't lie! :)

A physicist could.
But what about a duckie, which is a physicist? :blush:

[Jorghnassen]

So the chemists aren't even going to put up a fight? Come on, they're fourth after what some don't consider science...

[Soapy Sam]

Mathematics is bunk.

Discuss.

Geology rocks.

[ponderingturtle]

I had a physics prof like that... many people I knew dropped. I dropped the class... but got a great prof next year. :)

And that is a problem with many college professors. The classes and students take so much time from their real work, that they are just an annoying side part of their job.

[Slimething]

So the chemists aren't even going to put up a fight? Come on, they're fourth after what some don't consider science...

Chemists are the scientific elite. All the poll does is prove it. :)

[jsfisher]

Are math and computing sciences?
Simple rule: If a field of study needs the word, science, in its title, it isn't a science. Social science, political science, and computer science all aren't.

(Mathematics on the other hand, is too good to be so pedestrian as to be a science.)

[pgwenthold]

While I think physics is interesting as a concept, on its own it is too much banality. Particle physics? Far too removed to have any real intrigue.

Molecular physics, otoh, can be pretty cool and is real. How molecules are held together and interact is driven by the physics, but still relevant.

That's why I go with chemistry. Physics, but with a sense of real purpose.

[Mobyseven]

Maths. Not appropriate yet as a science, but once my studies into infinite improbability conclude the field will change dramatically...

Seriously though...I wish I was studying maths...

[ponderingturtle]

While I think physics is interesting as a concept, on its own it is too much banality. Particle physics? Far too removed to have any real intrigue.

Molecular physics, otoh, can be pretty cool and is real. How molecules are held together and interact is driven by the physics, but still relevant.

That's why I go with chemistry. Physics, but with a sense of real purpose.

As opposed to say E&M or QM or solidstate physics. So banal and useless. Well except for develpment of things like computers.

[pgwenthold]

"solid state physics" is more or less materials science.

E&M and QM on their own ARE banality epitomized. The interesting part of E&M is in electronics and engineering, and THAT is what gave us computers. QM applied is chemistry.

[ponderingturtle]

"solid state physics" is more or less materials science.

E&M and QM on their own ARE banality epitomized. The interesting part of E&M is in electronics and engineering, and THAT is what gave us computers. QM applied is chemistry.

Only when there is a chemical reaction. And chemistry is more a subset of stat thermo anyway.

[Slimething]

This I love: two physicists arguing about chemistry and they're both wrong.

[ponderingturtle]

This I love: two physicists arguing about chemistry and they're both wrong.

Why? Chemistry is only seperated from modern physics by historic accident.

[Niobe]

Biology, particularly marine. It's all related anyway.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/146244603d8afa42da.jpg

[zombiebex]

While I'm a fan of biology and natural sciences, I'm really more of a history buff myself.

[fishbob]

Chemist: The only scientists who wash their hands before going to the bathroom.

[Slimething]

Why? Chemistry is only seperated from modern physics by historic accident.

Why is it that only physicists claim that their science encompasses another? I've found that in no other basic science. A chemist will not claim that physics or biology is merely chemistry with a twist. Nor will a biologist boast that their field contains either chemistry or physics. Don't you find that odd? Is there some kind of necessary baseless hubris that physics candidates must have before they are allowed in? :rolleyes:

Anyway, believe what you want. It's your right. Most of us, though, will stick to the facts. That is, whatever we read in authoritative histories of chemistry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chemistry)and physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_physics). All people from alternate universes (http://www.alternativeuniverse.ca/) can, and probably will, convince themselves that whatever they study rules the rest. Pity.

[Jorghnassen]

Well, you know the old joke. Biologists think they are chemists, chemists believe they are physicists, and physicists think they are God. And God thinks he's a mathematician.

I'm not sure why so many physicists appear to have such a God complex... The brightest one of them all certainly didn't. Now I'm lying, Einstein wasn't the most brilliant physicist ever.

[shuyun]

I had an early love for physics from wathcing Mc Gyver though he did a lot of chemistry as well.