Truth Statistics

[Oliver]

I was a littlebit bored yesterday... :blush:

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LCF Members (16.03.2007)

Members (ALL) :
2,302

Members = 0 Posts
-1286

Members = 1 Post
-394

Members = 2 Posts
-165

Members = 5 - 20 Posts
-244

Members = 20 - 100 Posts
-105
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= 108 "Regular" Members /more than 100 posts




Top 50 poster:

POST NAME
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3257 Killtown
2083 IVXX/Admin
1757 Roxdog
1676 Reggie_perrin
1365 look-up
1261 batmanchester
1202 Terrorcell
1147 Jarroyo
1098 Russell/Admin

0958 Lyte Trip
0895 thehighwaymanq
0866 dylan avery/Admin
0833 mynameis

0767 Quest
0738 -Raven-

0696 sleepy2k16
0627 alexvegas

0584 Citizen Merc
0582 jackchit
0547 JTGOB
0529 tower
0524 Revolutionary
0521 raythio

0489 e-dog
0472 Rei Murasame
0460 ross11988
0458 Avenger
0447 Hazel
0405 stopsnitchin

0397 Sureshot
0385 water_bender
0383 esopxe
0378 911wasaninsidejob
0370 SDG guy
0325 28th Kingdom
0315 skunkrider

0292 Guile
0291 seek_the_truth
0288 shure
0286 chrisfarb
0280 Badmachine
0263 j911ob
0254 racerX
0246 GreatMuslim10
0246 antipodean
0240 TomBombadillo
0239 Tim Riches
0239 Headhunter
0234 Popeholden
0227 Beached

[The Doc]

What's this! I thought the Truth movement consisted of 84% of the US population!?

Nice find Oliver - good stuff.

[~enigma~]

:yikes: That is hilarious. In my first incarnation on the LCF (as AntiMan) I had either 243 or 273 posts. Does that mean I am more of a woo woo than most members there?

:dl:

[gumboot]

I was a littlebit bored yesterday... :blush:

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LCF Members (16.03.2007)

Members (ALL) :
2,302

Members = 0 Posts
-1286

Members = 1 Post
-394

Members = 2 Posts
-165

Members = 5 - 20 Posts
-244

Members = 20 - 100 Posts
-105
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= 108 "Regular" Members /more than 100 posts



The real questions is, Oliver, how many of those 108 are actually you? ;)

-Gumboot

[Oliver]

The real questions is, Oliver, how many of those 108 are actually you? ;)

-Gumboot

Shhhhht... http://209.85.48.11/html/emoticons/ninja.gif

[Mobyseven]

Dangnabbit! At least let me know - was I number 51? :-D

[Unfit4Command]

I guess forums aren't the "Truth Movement's" biggest thing...A lot of the people with only 5-20 posts, and 20-100 posts are probably people who didn't agree with the movement and got banned. Oh well :)

[Redtail]

The real questions is, Oliver, how many of those 108 are actually you? ;)

-Gumboot

I'm one of the 5-20...:boxedin:

[jhunter1163]

So am I.

[busherie]

I was a littlebit bored yesterday... :blush:

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LCF Members (16.03.2007)

Members (ALL) :
2,302


Just a question: can we have a look at your source? (just askin')

You want us to believe that you counted everything?

Prove it

Busherie

[Unfit4Command]

Just a question: can we have a look at your source? (just askin')

You want us to believe that you counted everything?

Prove it

Busherie

Ummm...The Loose Change forum..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/rhearhy/LC.jpg

Just look at the member list for the other statistics, some may have changed since the first post was made.

-U4C

[jhunter1163]

I did the same calculation not too long ago. Oliver's numbers are accurate.

[ref]

Nice stats. I have always liked stats. Like every movement, this consists of a few dozen active members and several other passive followers. The few activits make the movement seem much bigger than it actually is.

BTW, I noticed PDoh was missing from that list.

[Oliver]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745fa5d1a68dbc.jpg

[Oliver]

Just a question: can we have a look at your source? (just askin')

You want us to believe that you counted everything?

Prove it

Busherie

You can check the Data here:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?act=Members&max_results=50&sort_key=posts&sort_order=desc

[Brainache]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745fa5d1a68dbc.jpg

Thanks for the pie graph Oliver. It's the kind of thing that even Truthers might understand.

I'm not a big fan of statistics being a bit numerically challenged myself, but it certainly shows what kind of a force the Truth Movement truly is (ie: weak).

[Oliver]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745fa799dce556.jpg

[ref]

Those stats don't include banned members. I couldn't find myself.

[Oliver]

Those stats don't include banned members. I couldn't find myself.


The banned ones are not within the list. So the 2302 members
are just registered members, even if 90% aren't posting at all... :D

[ref]

The number of non-posters is strangely high. Why have they even bothered to register.

[Oliver]

The number of non-posters is strangely high. Why have they even bothered to register.


I have no idea what happened to them - especially because
it's the amount of members in their "new" forum. And it's even
more mysterious that 1286 (55%) never posted... :confused:

[MRC_Hans]

The number of non-posters is strangely high. Why have they even bothered to register.Frankly, I think those stats are quite usual for an internet forum. I haven't done the math, but after a quick look at the JREF member stats I'll wager that it will show roughly the same distribution (although the numbers are, of course, bigger). Certainly, more than half the registered members here have zero posts.

Hans

[Firestone]

Indeed, more than 5700 of JREF's 11735 members have 0 posts!
That's more or less 50%.

[ref]

What's up with people on forums ;)

[MRC_Hans]

Notice that most threads have at least ten times as many reads as posts. Some much more. There are always a lot of "lurkers". Then of course there are sleeping sock-puppets and such ....

Hans

[MRC_Hans]

What's up with people on forums ;)I suppose it indicates that most of them have a life....

Hans

[ref]

Notice that most threads have at least ten times as many reads as posts. Some much more. There are always a lot of "lurkers". Then of course there are sleeping sock-puppets and such ....

Hans

That's true. i wouldn't bother to register just to read though. You could do that without registering. But such are the ways of the boards.

[Anti-sophist]

Those are some slick charts (visually, that is). What program do you use to make them?

[Oliver]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745fa9ab75ffc0.jpg

[Oliver]

Those are some slick charts (visually, that is). What program do you use to make them?

Thank you for your compliment. I use Illustrator and Photoshop
to make such images. I have nothing to do today so i train my
skills concerning Charts and Graphs. :)

[ref]

Killtown has now 3260 posts. He has been a member since October 18th, 2006. That's 150 days. That means he writes an astounding 21,73 posts a day.

[jhunter1163]

Just to expand on this a little, the top 20 posters at LC have, among them, almost one-third of all LC posts (22,939 out of 69,200 = 33.14%). The top 50 have almost half. Another example of the Twoof movement being a very small, prolifically posting, if not terribly bright, bunch.

[DavidJames]

Killtown has now 3260 posts. He has been a member since October 18th, 2006. That's 150 days. That means he writes an astounding 21,73 posts a day.That's nothing, last year, before PFT, over a 2-3 month period, JDX was posting nearly 50 times a day.

[beachnut]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745fa799dce556.jpg
Does this mean the number of posts is inversely proportional to logical thinking?

[Oliver]

Does this mean the number of posts is inversely proportional to logical thinking?


I think so ... Roxfrog is number three and Errorspell number 7 ... :D


ETA: Oh Wait! Lyte Trip is behind Russel. I guess i have to check the data for errors...

[Gravy]

That's nothing, last year, before PFT, over a 2-3 month period, JDX was posting nearly 50 times a day.And he had sustained periods of 100-200 posts per day. I think the bestockinged pdoherty76 must hold the truther record. He had about 750 in two days here, which averages to a post every two minutes for 12 hours a day. I wonder how many posts he would have made if this forum didn't have a 60-second anti-spam buffer between posts.

[Gravy]

It's interesting to see how much more involved Dylan Avery is with the current LC forum. He doesn't realize that putting his thoughts in writing is like handing his critics a crate of ammunition.

[tacodaemon]

"3257 Killtown" looks like it'd be the name of an asteroid. Luckily asteroid #3257 is actually named "Hanzlik", so Killtown will have to wait until later to get an asteroid named for him.

p.s. :randi: is #3163 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3163_Randi) ;)

[jhunter1163]

And he had sustained periods of 100-200 posts per day. I think the bestockinged pdoherty76 must hold the truther record. He had about 750 in two days here, which averages to a post every two minutes for 12 hours a day. I wonder how many posts he would have made if this forum didn't have a 60-second anti-spam buffer between posts.

In two days, you could theoretically post a maximum of 2,880 times (one post per minute for 48 hours = 2,880). This assumes you don't sleep, eat at your computer, don't work, and don't go to the bathroom for two full days. Also, it assumes that none of your posts are longer than your maximum per-minute typing speed.

I believe that, given the quality of PDoh's work, he didn't put too much thought into the content of each post. But even so, 750 posts in two days borders on the obsessive.

[defaultdotxbe]

Does this mean the number of posts is inversely proportional to logical thinking?
when you dont bother to think about what you are posting you have a lot more time for posting :D

[Chimastafunk]

It's because of people like me who get an account to view attached images but don't come often enough to bother posting.

Except that now I have one post, defeating my own point.

[fachverwirrt]

Does this mean the number of posts is inversely proportional to logical thinking?
Yes. Yes it does. The fewer the posts, the smarter the poster.

And, seconding Chimastafunk, registering opens up more options, like searching. Plus you don't need to wait while the admins approve you to make drive-by posts.

[Totovader]

Thank you for your compliment. I use Illustrator and Photoshop
to make such images. I have nothing to do today so i train my
skills concerning Charts and Graphs. :)

I know it's OT- but that's friggen awesome.

I'm going to have to look up how to do that- did you pick that up from a book or something? Can you point me in the right direction?

[LashL]

It's because of people like me who get an account to view attached images but don't come often enough to bother posting.

Except that now I have one post, defeating my own point.

See? Ve haf vays of making you post :D

Welcome, Chimastafunk :)

[Oliver]

I know it's OT- but that's friggen awesome.

I'm going to have to look up how to do that- did you pick that up from a book or something? Can you point me in the right direction?

I learned most of these techniques in school but also by
doing online-tutorials or just experimenting within several
3d/2d programs. A good way to start are these two sites:

http://photoshopsupport.com/tutorials.html
http://www.3dtotal.com/

BTW: I used Illustrator to make the raw charts, copied
them into Photoshop and added all these details like soft
shadows, outlines and so on...

Oh, and welcome Fachverwirrt (ulkiger Name) & Chimastafunk. :p

[Oliver]

A "Bump" just for Shillclown. :)

[PhantomWolf]

Hmmm, thought I'd compare it to ApolloHoax. We have only 425 members, but 59 of them are at 100 posts or higher (13.9%) with 20 of them being over 500 and 8 of them being over 1,000. (2 of us have cracked 2,000.) 301 or 70.8% have at least 1 post.

[gumboot]

Interestingly enough, although about half of JREF members have no posts, the vast majority of them date back several years.

-Gumboot

[Guile]

Hah, made the list.

[MRC_Hans]

Interestingly enough, although about half of JREF members have no posts, the vast majority of them date back several years.

-GumbootWell, there could be a caveat there. To the best of my knowledge (but ask the admins), the post cout is a dynamic figure, that is, it reflects the number of your posts existing in the database. Since there has been a number of database purges in the past, some of the zero-posters may be old members that have left and whose posts have been purged from the database.

Others are no doubt people who signed on as members, but never got around to post. This is a large and busy forum, with lots of outspoken and knowledgeable posters (some are even both ;) ), and it can be quite intimidating to newcomers.

Then of course there are sleeping sockpuppets, both ones made for later use, and ones that were created before socks became a rule violation and now left dormant.

There might be yet another kind of passive accounts, I have a couple on other forums myself. If you have a characteristic nick that you prefer to use on all forums (like me), you may register it at forums where you think you might someday want to post, in order to secure it.

Hans

[ref]

What are the sockpuppets or socks, as you call them?

Edit: Never mind. I found it already.

[MRC_Hans]

If somebody has to ask, usually several don't know, so:

Sockpuppet, or just sock, is slang for double registrations. People may register several identities on a forum.

There can be some legitimate reasons for that. You may want to have different personalities, like one for very serious debates, and another for having fun.

A more usual reason for doing it, and the reason it has become illegal here, is to circumvent suspension or banning. A troll-type user may register several different identities, then leave most as sleepers. Then when they get suspended or banned, they can switch to another ID and keep posting. They usually soon give themselves away, though.

ETA: Another use we have seen of socks is to get apparant support for your viewpoints by having one or several sockpuppets that pipe in and agree with you in discussions.

Hans

[Mercutio]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745fa5d1a68dbc.jpg

This chart has "2" represented twice--as its own category, and as the endpoint of 2-20. Do you mean 3-20, or have you counted some people twice?

[Oliver]

This chart has "2" represented twice--as its own category, and as the endpoint of 2-20. Do you mean 3-20, or have you counted some people twice?

Oops, i meant 3-20 users. And i intentionally left an error in one
of the other charts, too. But Gravy didn't debunk it till today. :D

[Oliver]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745fed60675161.jpg

[Oliver]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/111074601304365b5c.jpg

[jhunter1163]

I think the JREF stats might be skewed a bit, since JREF has been around quite a bit longer than the new LC. And it should also be pointed out that all of the Twoofer bannings were for forum rules violations, not for their views. Even Christophera wasn't banned for his views. The LC bannings were for not toeing the Twoof party line.

[ref]

I think the JREF stats might be skewed a bit, since JREF has been around quite a bit longer than the new LC. And it should also be pointed out that all of the Twoofer bannings were for forum rules violations, not for their views. Even Christophera wasn't banned for his views. The LC bannings were for not toeing the Twoof party line.

That's true. To make them more comparable, they would have to have the same timeframe. But there is something interesting though. If I read that correctly, they have banned only one truther at LCF. No matter what they spew out of their mouths and threaten and curse at people. Those are not violations of rules to them. But politely disagreeing with them is.

[Oliver]

I think the JREF stats might be skewed a bit, since JREF has been around quite a bit longer than the new LC. And it should also be pointed out that all of the Twoofer bannings were for forum rules violations, not for their views. Even Christophera wasn't banned for his views. The LC bannings were for not toeing the Twoof party line.


It's true that JREF is the older forum - but also the bigger one.
So it would be interesting to see the percentages of each forum
but right now i watch the Twoof war between HypeTrip, Jerc and
Russel. :D

:popcorn2

[Mercutio]

are you counting banned socks separately, or combined as one banning? (this goes for both forums)

[Gravy]

The LCF stats also don't show people like me, who aren't banned but are prevented from posting.

[Oliver]

are you counting banned socks separately, or combined as one banning? (this goes for both forums)


No, it's hard to tell who really was a sock so i counted them separately.

The LCF stats also don't show people like me, who aren't banned but are prevented from posting.


It's impossible to see who is gagged over there. And i guess it could be
a lot of members who face this final fate.