LC Admin Has High Standards!

[Gravy]

Oliver has pointed out that QUEST (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5608&view=findpost&p=12704562) is taking his banning show on the road.
Dylan,

I can no longer support Loose Change and these forums. The quality of the posts has gone so downhill that I will no longer hand out Loose Change DVDs and I will discourage others to do the same until if and when the troll situation is brought under control and an environment has been created that fosters REAL debate from people that are genuine skeptics. The question “how can you tell who is a “real” skeptic is bogus. We had a working system and it’s been replaced with the Jerry-Springer model; that is, in-your face, imbecilic punks and trolls.


This is especially hilarious because Quest has banned me (and several others here, I'm sure) twice from LC, although I broke no rules. His rationale and definition of "fake skeptics" follows.

"I can virtually guarentee that Gravy is some type of COINTELPRO operative. He is WAY to involved in this for someone that is actually a private citizen acting on his own accord and needs to feed a family or keep a roof over his head. Plus, he follows the pattern typical of fake skeptics that when presented with some form of truth it has no bearing on his thought process or opinion. It just doesn't matter. Mark Roberts, aka, "Gravy" is a sleazebag coverup artist for a genocidal maniac. Sorry folks, there is no polite way to put it."

Gravy is a Mason? Do you have a link?

What do we know about Gravy? Did he ever work for the military or government?

I'd be interested in hearing more about this as well. Makes me wonder what Gravy makes of grown men dancing around in butterfly costumes at Bohemian Grove.

As long as we don't claim "Gravy is doing his "skeptic thing" because he's a Freemason (if indeed he is) it could be a good idea to remember he's is part of an "organization" that has a questionable, if not racist and violent history. Google freemason and racist or racism and see what you get. I say he is cointelpro all the way.

I repeat, the way to fight the JREFers and other so-called 'skeptics' is to point out the secret societies, networking connections, corparate cronyism and CIA drug running coupled with 9/11 truth. That way, whenever JREF newbies, if ever they get any, will see what many people don't know; a completely broken and corrupt government. When displayed along with 9/11 information, you have a presentation that's hard to deny. Good job gentleman and ladies!

Gravy, If you won't speak of Freemasonry, will you at least comment on Bohemian Grove and adult men dressed up in butterfly costumes dancing in front of an adult male audience? Even more strange is there are also no non-whites nor females in attendance. Will you please comment on the Cremation Of Care Ceremony? Does this type of behavior by our "leaders" not concern you? Please comment.But that's not all!

In case no one has noticed, Jarroyo, headhunter and shanksville are all ANTI-no planers. What's ironic is that there are no strict "no-planers" on LC.

Yes, encouraging "no-planers" should be high on the priority list of the "truth" movement.

From Oliver's list posted today
LC forum Top 50 posters:

Rank / Posts /Name
1 / 3257 / Killtown
2 / 2083 / IVXX (Admin)

QUEST hasn't noticed that a no-planer has 35% more posts than anyone else on that forum.

The saddest thing is that QUEST claims to be in his late fifties. Ugh.

[Alareth]

What? THEY must have gotten to him somehow!

[Gravy]

What? THEY must have gotten to him somehow!
No one escapes the gay sleazebag COINTELPRO Freemason racist CIA drug-running butterfly-costumed fake skeptic Inquisition!

[Pardalis]

No one escapes the gay sleazebag COINTELPRO Freemason racist CIA drug-running butterfly-costumed fake skeptic Inquisition!

Are you calling us fakes?

[Loss Leader]

The way to fight the JREFers and other so-called 'skeptics' is to point out the secret societies, networking connections, corparate cronyism and CIA drug running coupled with 9/11 truth.


You heard it here first, folks. The best way to counter arguments that disagree with you is through rumor, innuendo, guilt by association and circular reasoning. "We know the people who belong to secret societies are bad, therefore the secret society is bad. And we know that those people are bad because they belong to the secret society which we've already proven is bad because only bad people belong to it. Next question."

[~enigma~]

Are you calling us fakes?I am a fake Roxdog...

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3747/lol20mosesoe3.jpg

[JimBenArm]

I am a fake Roxdog...

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3747/lol20mosesoe3.jpg
You are so going to burn!

At least you won't be alone, because I thought it was funny, too!

[Björn Toulouse]

No one escapes the gay sleazebag COINTELPRO Freemason racist CIA drug-running butterfly-costumed fake skeptic Inquisition!


It's the "comfy chair" for you!

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1289045fb49c9bb3d8.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4632)

[~enigma~]

You are so going to burn!

At least you won't be alone, because I thought it was funny, too!Burn...well then I am going to have some fun...

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5517/111el1.jpg

[ConspiRaider]

I think the stories that are read to the twoofers before they go to beddy-bye are getting a bit stale. I guess twoofers have just enough firing neurons to experience boredom? Anything's possible.

Anyway, there will be a nice "surge" at LC after NIST releases their WTC 7 report.

I think we should translate the Hardfire debate into a plethora of languages, burn DVDs and, as Glidden says in their logo: Cover The Earth.

I volunteer to translate the debate into "sailor talk" and distribute it to the Fleet.

[Horatius]

The problem is that long time posters and REAL truthers and researchers are not allowed to screen so-called skeptics. It's clear that Dylan discourages this practice. Screening new posters for their legitamcy as REAL skeptics is seen as a negative. Is this logical? Has anyone ever hear of COINTELPRO or Operation Daisey? Google it.



Yeah, because a real agent could never know the "right" answers to give to Questy's little tests, right?

[Redtail]

As long as we don't claim "Gravy is doing his "skeptic thing" because he's a Freemason (if indeed he is) it could be a good idea to remember he's is part of an "organization" that has a questionable, if not racist and violent history. Google freemason and racist or racism and see what you get. I say he is cointelpro all the way.

:eye-poppi But... My Dad... Both of my Granddads... At least one of my Greatgranddads were all Masons! A couple were very high ranking Masons! :jaw-dropp Good lord! This can only mean they weren't really Black!:shocked:

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I repeat, the way to fight the JREFers and other so-called 'skeptics' is to point out the secret societies, networking connections, corparate cronyism and CIA drug running coupled with 9/11 truth.
Am I the only one that read that as "all these things are a part of 9/11 truth"?

[Redtail]

Am I the only one that read that as "all these things are a part of 9/11 truth"?

No me too. But I also see that as saying...

I still say the way to fight the jrefers is keep adding more stuff that we can't back up and then they will admit we have a point because we can't prove it.

[WildCat]

:eye-poppi But... My Dad... Both of my Granddads... At least one of my Greatgranddads were all Masons! A couple were very high ranking Masons! :jaw-dropp Good lord! This can only mean they weren't really Black!:shocked:
Masons even get their own license plates here in Illinois, I could swear I see quite a few black Masons! Maybe it's part of the COINTELPRO disinfo campaign?

[Alt+F4]

Quest believes there were mini-nukes at the WTC and also believes the LCF is irrationally out of control. What does that tell you?

[~enigma~]

Since I am posting pictures and the norm here is kittens...

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/6624/crucifiedcatxs9.jpg

[orphia nay]

No me too. But I also see that as saying...

I still say the way to fight the jrefers is keep adding more stuff that we can't back up and then they will admit we have a point because we can't prove it.

Yes, I noticed that too.

Twoofers: Use myths to support the 9/11 myth.

[CurtC]

Some of you may have missed Quest's insanity from a day or two ago. He challenged a skeptic in a thread about airplanes, by repeatedly pointing out his favorite news article from long ago, the one that made allegations about a pedophile ring being run out of Bush Sr.'s White House. Then he asked this person where he stood on that issue, as a litmus test of whether he was a "REAL truther" or not.

Seems to me the more they talk about no planes, pedophile presidents, moon hoaxes, chemtrails, etc., the more they show their true paranoid schizophrenic selves to any newcomers who stumble by.

[WildCat]

Some of you may have missed Quest's insanity from a day or two ago. He challenged a skeptic in a thread about airplanes, by repeatedly pointing out his favorite news article from long ago, the one that made allegations about a pedophile ring being run out of Bush Sr.'s White House. Then he asked this person where he stood on that issue, as a litmus test of whether he was a "REAL truther" or not.

Seems to me the more they talk about no planes, pedophile presidents, moon hoaxes, chemtrails, etc., the more they show their true paranoid schizophrenic selves to any newcomers who stumble by.
Quest is famous for the litmus test questions, where he asks about JFK, the pedophile ring, etc. I don't think there's a CT he doesn't believe 100%.

[strathmeyer]

Christ on crutches, will somebody please explain to me what a false skeptic is?

[gumboot]

Christ on crutches, will somebody please explain to me what a false skeptic is?


If you were a real skeptic you wouldn't need to ask that...

-Gumboot

[GlennB]

These butterfly costumes sound good. How do I get mine?

[MG1962]

Just let me know colour preferences and if you dress the the left or the right :covereyes

All costumes come with a patented NWO sewing kit and personalised Latvian peasent to make any alternations. Sadly you are on your own with shoes. We have been out of stock since the elf revolt in the summer or 2003




http://www.zoogstercostumes.com/images/products/ru56038_xl.jpg

[ArmillarySphere]

You can have the costume. I'll take the rest :cool:

[Gravy]

Some of you may have missed Quest's insanity from a day or two ago. He challenged a skeptic in a thread about airplanes, by repeatedly pointing out his favorite news article from long ago, the one that made allegations about a pedophile ring being run out of Bush Sr.'s White House. Then he asked this person where he stood on that issue, as a litmus test of whether he was a "REAL truther" or not.Yes, that's his defense mechanism. He demanded that I respond to his pedophile accusations, when I was discussing the collapse time of the towers. When I ignored him, he banned me. I think he learned that tactic from JDX: when someone has an argument you dislike, act batcrap crazy and hope they go away. For added assurance, become a forum admin or start your own forum.

[Babbylonian]

Christ on crutches, will somebody please explain to me what a false skeptic is?
Check in with David Jay Jordan (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=74593). That man is an expert on the true versus false skeptic "issue."

[Mobyseven]

Oliver has pointed out that QUEST (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5608&view=findpost&p=12704562) is taking his banning show on the road.



This is especially hilarious because Quest has banned me (and several others here, I'm sure) twice from LC, although I broke no rules. His rationale and definition of "fake skeptics" follows.

But that's not all!



Yes, encouraging "no-planers" should be high on the priority list of the "truth" movement.

From Oliver's list posted today
LC forum Top 50 posters:

Rank / Posts /Name
1 / 3257 / Killtown
2 / 2083 / IVXX (Admin)

QUEST hasn't noticed that a no-planer has 35% more posts than anyone else on that forum.

The saddest thing is that QUEST claims to be in his late fifties. Ugh.

Would I be right in saying that this is probably why I can no longer view the LC Forums?

[Horatius]

Too bad the rest of them don't.

As evidence, consider Terrorcell's latest lie of ommision, at:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5651&view=findpost&p=12733303

In answer to the question "Can you please explain why you think the black boxes were planted?", he copies and pastes an explanation from page 3 of the discussion of KT's latest opus (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5367&view=findpost&p=12653978), convienently ignoring the last two pages of the thread where apathoid clearly shows that this explanation is far from conclusive.

Lying liar, who lies!

[Horatius]

And the lying continues (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5652). KT quotes Gravy from this thread, and re-writes history in the process.

[R.Mackey]

Oliver has pointed out that QUEST (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5608&view=findpost&p=12704562) is taking his banning show on the road.

I never heard of a nuclear plant that melted down twice... We're going to need a new analogy.


"I can virtually guarentee that Gravy is some type of COINTELPRO operative. He is WAY to involved in this for someone that is actually a private citizen acting on his own accord and needs to feed a family or keep a roof over his head. Plus, he follows the pattern typical of fake skeptics that when presented with some form of truth it has no bearing on his thought process or opinion. It just doesn't matter. Mark Roberts, aka, "Gravy" is a sleazebag coverup artist for a genocidal maniac. Sorry folks, there is no polite way to put it."


Charming fellow.

Pity they just don't understand that debunking them isn't that hard. Some of us (you most of all) have logged some time doing real investigation and organizing our thoughts, but the average high school graduate should be able to sense the flaws in their nonsense on contact.

Just because it takes Avery a year and a half (and counting!) to re-edit his stupid little film, doesn't mean we're all that slow.

[Brainster]

Some of you may have missed Quest's insanity from a day or two ago. He challenged a skeptic in a thread about airplanes, by repeatedly pointing out his favorite news article from long ago, the one that made allegations about a pedophile ring being run out of Bush Sr.'s White House. Then he asked this person where he stood on that issue, as a litmus test of whether he was a "REAL truther" or not.

An oldie but a goldie for Quest. Back in May of last year a bunch of the Deniers invited us to post over at the original LC forums. No kidding I got about 5 posts in when Quest hit us with the Franklin cover-up crap. Ban-hammered for the first and only time on the internet.

[Rawkarma]

From this thread (https://proxify.com/p/011110A0000110/687474703a2f2f7a31302e696e766973696f6e667265652e63 6f6d2f4c6f6f73655f4368616e67655f466f72756d2f696e64 65782e7068703f73686f77746f7069633d35363532).

I liked having him around. I kind of enjoyed watching the abuse and the ways he was repeatedly embarassed and proven to be a liar.

Something was proven over at LCF by the twoofers?

I find the honesty in not only banning someone that you can't beat at a debate, but then retelling history, in that you really enjoyed Gravy repeatedly embarrassing you by facts, just another endearing character trait of the movement in the pursuit of truth.