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ref
17th March 2007, 03:17 AM
As we all have noticed, banning people with differing opinions is an everyday thing on the truther websites and boards. But how widespread is this? How many of us have been banned by these so called truthers, just for telling them the truth, not because we behaved badly?

Let me begin. I have been banned by Dylan Avery at the Loose Change forum and supposedly by Paul Joseph Watson at prisonplanet.com comments area.

Oliver
17th March 2007, 03:34 AM
I don't know for sure if the term "multiple" fits but i chose it nevertheless. :boxedin:

Coritani
17th March 2007, 03:37 AM
Banned twice in the LC forums. Number of rules broken: 0.

jhunter1163
17th March 2007, 03:40 AM
I've been banned twice at LC. Because THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!one!!1!!1!!!ELEVEN!!!!

JAStewart
17th March 2007, 03:43 AM
Banned @ LC:

JAStewart
electionnightspecial
Election Night Special

Oliver
17th March 2007, 03:45 AM
I've been banned twice at LC. Because THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!one!!1!!1!!!ELEVEN!!!!


Wooohooo! This poll is great stuff for new statistics. Especially
if we compare the results to the Twoofers banned here... ;)

jhunter1163
17th March 2007, 03:51 AM
There haven't been many truthers banned here, and those who have been were banned for abuses of the forum rules, not for their views. I'd bet that almost all JREFers who post there have been banned at one time or another for their views.

LC just doesn't get it. They natter on about the fascist state and yet LC is far more fascist than anything they're ever likely to encounter in their lives.

Oliver
17th March 2007, 04:04 AM
There haven't been many truthers banned here, and those who have been were banned for abuses of the forum rules, not for their views. I'd bet that almost all JREFers who post there have been banned at one time or another for their views.

LC just doesn't get it. They natter on about the fascist state and yet LC is far more fascist than anything they're ever likely to encounter in their lives.


I would love to see a statisic about their banning-policy at the
old and new Forum. They probably would have double as much
members without their aryan ideology.

ref
17th March 2007, 04:10 AM
Just wow. This far, out of 7 people who have ever posted at truther sites, 100% have been banned more than once!

jhunter1163
17th March 2007, 04:10 AM
There were probably hundreds of bannings on the old board. The new one is just as bad. Dylan can't afford to permit any REAL debate because he'd quickly be exposed as the fraud he is.

This gave me an idea. Some have said that skeptics are roaming free there, while others are banned almost on sight. Could it be that the skeptics who are roaming free are debunking topics that won't be used in LC:FC? That way Dylan could still say "It's not disputed!" And ultimately, it's Dylan's board.

Just a thought...

ref
17th March 2007, 04:14 AM
There were probably hundreds of bannings on the old board. The new one is just as bad. Dylan can't afford to permit any REAL debate because he'd quickly be exposed as the fraud he is.

This gave me an idea. Some have said that skeptics are roaming free there, while others are banned almost on sight. Could it be that the skeptics who are roaming free are debunking topics that won't be used in LC:FC? That way Dylan could still say "It's not disputed!" And ultimately, it's Dylan's board.

Just a thought...

This is what I have thought as well. When points are raised, which clearly conflict his films, they are banned instantly. But the WTC and Shanksville no-planers and Pentagon fly-over people are out there screaming freely.

orphia nay
17th March 2007, 04:39 AM
I've also been banned twice at LCF.

Gravy
17th March 2007, 04:54 AM
There were probably hundreds of bannings on the old board. The new one is just as bad. Dylan can't afford to permit any REAL debate because he'd quickly be exposed as the fraud he is.They tried a new tactic with me. Rather than banning me, they removed my posting permission. The difference being: their cowardice. I guess they want to be able to say, "See, we didn't ban our biggest critic!"

Well, it's not the first time that Loose Change has gagged me.

Oliver
17th March 2007, 05:08 AM
There were probably hundreds of bannings on the old board. The new one is just as bad. Dylan can't afford to permit any REAL debate because he'd quickly be exposed as the fraud he is.

This gave me an idea. Some have said that skeptics are roaming free there, while others are banned almost on sight. Could it be that the skeptics who are roaming free are debunking topics that won't be used in LC:FC? That way Dylan could still say "It's not disputed!" And ultimately, it's Dylan's board.

Just a thought...


Mhmm, what if the tolerated skeptics over there are
in reality truthers posting as skeptics?

Maybe just to tweak Killtowns nose... :D

Panoply_Prefect
17th March 2007, 05:32 AM
Never posted on a truther board, but at the swedish board I frequent one of the truthers has personally banned me because I didnt engage in a "How come AA77 made three holes in the C-ring wall, while the E-ring was undamaged"-question. He didn't put me on ignore though, he just states"You are disqualified, I will not answer your questions" when I question the contents of his posts.

/S

Kryptos
17th March 2007, 05:43 AM
I'm not a prolific poster over there, but was banned at LC forums simply because they did not like my choice of username. :boggled:

Oliver
17th March 2007, 05:49 AM
*lol* Check out the Moon-Fake Gone-thread... :D

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1950


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745fbe35b0141c.gif

ref
17th March 2007, 05:53 AM
*lol* Check out the Moon-Fake Gone-thread... :D

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1950


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110745fbe35b0141c.gif

Looks like every sane person has been banned. The usual day at LCF.

Oliver
17th March 2007, 06:00 AM
Looks like every sane person has been banned. The usual day at LCF.


That's why i avoid to post in the skeptics subforum. It's the
ideal place for the nazi admins to relieve some stress... :D

apathoid
17th March 2007, 06:16 AM
Yup. Three times total, twice at LC and once at PfffT. As was the case with Coritani, no rules were broken and I was banned without warning. All 3 bannings came courtesy of Mr. D'oh

Brainache
17th March 2007, 06:39 AM
I was banned at the old LCF by JohnD'oh.
I've signed up at the new one and posted about ten times. Not banned again. Yet.

Horatius
17th March 2007, 06:44 AM
I posted at LCF briefly as Herminius. I attacted a bit of attention from Questy by pointing out some prety obvious instances of twoofers lying on the forums, and asking why no one seemed concerned about the effects of such obvious lies on a "Truth" movement. Questy eventually banned me when I wouldn't jump through his little loyalty test hoops.

My position was, what difference does it make what I believe, when the most public face of their movement was clearly a haven for lying? Should it matter where a critisism comes from, if it's a legitimate problem?

Calcas
17th March 2007, 06:53 AM
I posted at LCF briefly as Herminius. I attacted a bit of attention from Questy by pointing out some prety obvious instances of twoofers lying on the forums, and asking why no one seemed concerned about the effects of such obvious lies on a "Truth" movement. Questy eventually banned me when I wouldn't jump through his little loyalty test hoops.

My position was, what difference does it make what I believe, when the most public face of their movement was clearly a haven for lying? Should it matter where a critisism comes from, if it's a legitimate problem?


Quest started another thread in the Pentagon forum called "trolls", (now locked but still there.)

Dylan told him, "Why do you insist on spamming multiple forums with your personal demands? Let people argue and debate. It's the nature of the beast."

I think Dylan is at least coming to the realization that if he has any chance in heck of getting LCFC out that he needs to allow some debates without a nazi like Quest simply banning everyone on sight. (Quest was "de-moded" a couple of weeks ago.)

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5544

scissorhands
17th March 2007, 07:10 AM
5 times at least on LCF, although I havent been keeping an accurate count.
I have yet to get above 50 posts in.

ref
17th March 2007, 07:12 AM
I think Dylan is at least coming to the realization that if he has any chance in heck of getting LCFC out that he needs to allow some debates without a nazi like Quest simply banning everyone on sight. (Quest was "de-moded" a couple of weeks ago.)

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5544


That's strange.

Jarroyo:
I personally have stopped posting and frequenting the forums, not because of trolls (which I don't deny they are present), but because of the childish techniques most self-righteous truthers are portraying. Some truthers here are sincerely dishonest. You say the JREFers or pseudo-skeptics ignore questions. Well so does Killtown and Merc and Lyte Trip! But since you agree with them, you don't demand anything from them. Double standards.

So what if he doesn't believe 9/11 was an inside job? As long as he is not violating Forum rules and forum etiquette, let him be.

The constant behavior of screaming "JREF" "TROLL" "SCUMBAG" at anyone who disagrees with you, is not wise at all.


Dylan Avery's response to that:
Amen.

This is the same Dylan Avery, who bans people for disagreeing with him. So it is a forum rule and etiquette to always agree with him.

Horatius
17th March 2007, 07:23 AM
Lyte Bryte: (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5544&view=findpost&p=12691872)

JREF won't allow me or merc in their forum for no reason whatsoever.


See, that's exactly the sort of lie I'd point out. "no reason whatsoever"? Yeah, right, Lyte....

JAStewart
17th March 2007, 07:50 AM
Out of 28 votes..

I have posted in a truther site, but not been banned. http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar4-l.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar4.gifhttp://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/polls/bar4-r.gif 0 0%

Gravy
17th March 2007, 07:56 AM
Lyte Bryte: (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5544&view=findpost&p=12691872)

See, that's exactly the sort of lie I'd point out. "no reason whatsoever"? Yeah, right, Lyte....Was Lyte banned? The management announcement is that he was suspended, but the suspension was lifted. His member status still shows as suspended, though, so perhaps he can't log in. I'll run this past the mods.

Calcas
17th March 2007, 08:05 AM
Was Lyte banned? The management announcement is that he was suspended, but the suspension was lifted. His member status still shows as suspended, though, so perhaps he can't log in. I'll run this past the mods.

I was suspended at the same time as he was but mine was lifted almost immediately. I hope I'm not talking out of school here but I asked Lisa about the others and she told me " Their suspensions have to do with sockpuppets and our 'real name' policy, so it's up to them if they are lifted."

When I asked for clarification she said, "it's up to the members who are suspended to provide us with evidence of their real names."

Since his name isn't a secret, I'm guessing he had already used it before with a another sock. Either that or he's simply too stupid to respond to her.

Horatius
17th March 2007, 08:18 AM
Since his name isn't a secret, I'm guessing he had already used it before with a another sock. Either that or he's simply too stupid to respond to her.



I'd be willing to bet that's true for most of the Loosers who can't seem to get accounts here, but in this case, I'd bet that he sees the "banned by JREF 'cause they can't handle the Twoof!" line as too valuable a propaganda tool to want to risk losing it.

ref
17th March 2007, 08:28 AM
This shows how effectively and desperately the truthers deny and censor the unpleasant truth.

Current situation:

34 votes.
25 people, who have posted at truther sites.
0 of those people have not been banned at least once.

That's an effective 100% of us who have been banned by the people who claim to seek the truth. 72% of the 25 people banned have been banned more than once.

0% of us have been allowed to tell our stories without some kind of censorship along the way.

That's quite stunning.

jhunter1163
17th March 2007, 08:36 AM
This shows how effectively and desperately the truthers deny and censor the unpleasant truth.

Current situation:

34 votes.
25 people, who have posted at truther sites.
0 of those people have not been banned at least once.

That's an effective 100% of us who have been banned by the people who claim to seek the truth. 72% of the 25 people banned have been banned more than once.

0% of us have been allowed to tell our stories without some kind of censorship along the way.

That's quite stunning.

The Twoof movement is such a fragile construct that they simply can't afford any such blasphemy as actual, scientifically credible evidence being introduced into it. They can only hold hands around the Twoofer campfire, chant the LIHOP/MIHOP song, and shrilly scream "SHILL! DISINFO! JREFER BEGONE!" at anyone who threatens their warped perception of reality.

The Silver Shadow
17th March 2007, 08:49 AM
Banned once, but I'm back at LCF still spewing "nonsense" to them, and haven't been banned yet...

pagan
17th March 2007, 09:07 AM
Banned once, but I'm back at LCF still spewing "nonsense" to them, and haven't been banned yet...

Spewing nonsense? And you haven't been banned? You should.

This is basicly the problem, we truthers don't have time with nonsense. We have a specific goal. To get truth and justice. The way to get there, is to spread the message and establish a new truly independent investigation.

This is serious stuff, we don't have time for nonsense.

The Silver Shadow
17th March 2007, 09:09 AM
depends on how you define "nonsense". I could be on your side spewing illogical nonsense, or I could be a JREFer spewing your type of nonsense (Science, facts, etc). Take your pick and find out who I am...

Pardalis
17th March 2007, 09:10 AM
establish a new truly independent investigation.


What actual steps have you undertaken to accomplish this?

And I mean real physical positive actions, not just trolling on the internet.

Mancman
17th March 2007, 11:04 AM
I have been kicked off LC three times.

Once was for telling Dylan that history would not remember him or the truth movement (after he claimed that it would), another was for having a go at Killtown's sick memorial myspace, the other was for nothing.

beachnut
17th March 2007, 11:17 AM
Spewing nonsense? And you haven't been banned? You should.

This is basicly the problem, we truthers don't have time with nonsense. We have a specific goal. To get truth and justice. The way to get there, is to spread the message and establish a new truly independent investigation.

This is serious stuff, we don't have time for nonsense.
He means he is acting like you! Are you this challenged?

Have you been banned at LCF for being a no fact lemming follower? NO, you fit right in!

I have checked your post here, and you would fit in the LCF, and be a posting god. You would qualify on the no facts, no capability to research and find facts, and the same sharp mind unable to see you have no facts as the rest of the experts over at LCF who have take the fall for Dylan.

Go sign up super fact finder! Become the admired no fact poster LCF needs to prop up Dylan's lies of 9/11; $4.95 plus handling.

Panoply_Prefect
17th March 2007, 11:21 AM
The way to get there, is to spread the message and establish a new truly independent investigation.

This is serious stuff, we don't have time for nonsense.

Ahhh...perhaps you could help me out then:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=72940

Cheers,
S

CurtC
17th March 2007, 11:23 AM
I was banned two or three times at the old LC Forum, but had just signed up a couple of months ago for the first time at the new one. I went by "dr.awkward" (which is a palindrome BTW). This morning I had a PM from a non-mod user over there, and tried to view it, but discovered I've now been banned.

They left me alone when I was challenging Lyte and Merc, but recently had been pointing out the real facts about contrails, and once pointed out how Quest seemed to use his White House pedophile insanity as a litmus test. Oh, and I also pointed out to Killtown that the wind wouldn't necessarily cause the Shanksville plume to disperse.

Not sure which of those got me banned - they don't give any kind of farewell message when they ban you, you're just gone.

jaydeehess
17th March 2007, 12:17 PM
I never posted at the old LC.
Was banned at the new LC for, AFAIK, pointing out the many flaws in Klowntown's nonsense. I don't know who banned me or exactly why since I was simply banished without warning.

I am on permanent 80% warning at P4T only because I stopped posting there, otherwise I would be gone.

I am thinking about starting up on P4T again by asking jd'oh-x why he touts 'freedom' but cannot abide any debate on his 9/11 issues.

Rahne Everson
17th March 2007, 12:43 PM
My posting priviledges were removed when I was registered at the old LC forum as Disinformist. I was arguing the thermite dreck when it happened.

Then I was banned over at Pilots for 9/11 Truth under the same name out of the blue. I didn't even have the time to post in a topic. Still have no idea how that exactly happened.

Currently I keep accounts there to surf the site with, but I never post.

OMGturt1es
17th March 2007, 01:22 PM
been banned multiple times. it always surprises me, as i'm generally very respectful when i post there. it just seems that there are certain arguments that are off limits. once you argue a certain case, you're gone, no matter how polite you are.

jhunter1163
17th March 2007, 03:42 PM
To update, LCF is a perfect 37 for 37 in banning real skeptics. Nice "truth" movement ya got there.

Mobyseven
17th March 2007, 08:33 PM
I have as of this morning been banned from LCF. I do not know why, exactly, as I have always gone out of my way to be polite, but I would narrow it down to:

* I used formal deductive logic to explain why affirming the consequent is a fallacy.

* My public views that the MRGS MySpace site was libellous and should be taken down (it was - twice now).

stateofgrace
17th March 2007, 09:19 PM
My track record is not very impressive.

I was banned from the old LC forum after three posts, no reason given.
I was banned from the new LC forum after thirteen posts, no reason given.
I was banned from the pilots for truth forum after two posts no reason given.

To my shame I was banished from the 911 UK forums for calling them a bunch of Nazi's while very drunk one night.

Hey we all let our hair down once in a while.

The Doc
17th March 2007, 10:00 PM
Was banned from the new LC forum twice by Dylan Avery.

1) Pointing out the amount of money that United 93 donated to the victims. Post deleted, account banned.

2) Simply asking Dylan if he could point out one error from "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" due to the fact he was rambling on about how many there were. I gave him my email address too. To this date - Dylan has not pointed out even one error. Post deleted, account banned.

I have emailed Dylan multiple times asking for an explanation of both bans. No reply.

ref
18th March 2007, 02:07 AM
We now have two votes of people, who have posted at truther sites but never been banned. But are those two the likes of scooby and pagan, or has a JREF minded person actually managed to post at truther sites uncensored?

ref
18th March 2007, 02:33 AM
Here are the current given reasons for banning people at truther sites:

Asking Dylan not to repeat the same errors in Final Cut, after he had admitted 2nd edition had errors.
Posting a real original version of an article written by Paul Joseph Watson, after he had claimed an edited version of his article was the original.
They did not like the choice of a username.
No rules broken and without a warning.
Pointing out obvious lies by truthers.
Telling Dylan that history would not remember him or the truth movement
Commenting Killtowns memorial page.
Pointing out flaws in Killtowns logic.
Arguing thermite.
Being polite but disagreeing with truthers.
Pointing out the amount of money that United 93 donated to the victims.
Asking Dylan if he could point out one error from "Screw 9/11 Mysteries".

jhunter1163
18th March 2007, 03:31 AM
I was first banned by John D'oh for questioning his FDR nonsense. The second time was for no apparent reason.

Mince
18th March 2007, 03:51 AM
Multiple times; proudly.


ETA: Interesting. 42 of the 44 respondents, at the time of this post, who have posted on a truth site have been banned. I get banned at Lose Change weekly. However, I am never impolite even when they are. I think that upsets them more than blatant trollism. The biggest perpetrator, Roxdog at Lose Change, has many times called for my banning as a troll when he became over-matched in a debate. That seems to be his dogma.

Mince
18th March 2007, 04:50 AM
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5544



by Quest

I didn't know we were here for tea and crackers, I thought we were here to prevent WW3.



Oh Questy, saving the world...one keystroke at a time.



Or are we just here for sh*ts and giggles while 655,000 Iraqis are now dead and our soldiers are breathing depleted uranium as well as Iraqi civilains and now much of Europe.



This is rather scary. Alex Jones and Jeff Rense say it, so it must be true.

JQH
18th March 2007, 08:12 AM
Is Quest saying the war's spread to Europe? How come I've not noticed? I'm not counting 7/7 as that was home-grown nutters.

Myriad
18th March 2007, 09:01 AM
We now have two votes of people, who have posted at truther sites but never been banned. But are those two the likes of scooby and pagan, or has a JREF minded person actually managed to post at truther sites uncensored?


What if a JREF minded person had just recently begun posting at a truther site for the first time, and hadn't been banned yet? Might such a person feel compelled by strict honesty to respond accurately to the poll? But at the same time, might he or she be unwilling to admit anything openly to avoid making himself or herself a target on those sites?

I'm not saying any such thing is the case. Just asking questions.

Respectfully,
Myriad

PhantomWolf
18th March 2007, 06:38 PM
You know, I would have thought a "Truth" site would advertise the truth that the poster is "Banned" not "Gone". Gone makes it sound like they just left. Heck tell the truth, you banned them.

Totovader
18th March 2007, 07:42 PM
I've been banned, threatened, "censored", and perhaps most entertaining of all- the mods in some of these forums have gone back and changed their comments or removed them after my point was made...

I've never posted in LCF, though- I fail to see the point.

Mobyseven
18th March 2007, 08:50 PM
What if a JREF minded person had just recently begun posting at a truther site for the first time, and hadn't been banned yet? Might such a person feel compelled by strict honesty to respond accurately to the poll? But at the same time, might he or she be unwilling to admit anything openly to avoid making himself or herself a target on those sites?

I'm not saying any such thing is the case. Just asking questions.

Respectfully,
Myriad

When I started posting at LC, I didn't see the point in hiding the fact that I am a member of JREF. Defeats the purpose if you have to go hide. And had this poll started one day earlier, I would have replied that I had not been banned. Of course, now it's a different story...

Myriad, you don't happen to post as Anon-e-mouse on another forum, do you...your style is familiar...?

The Silver Shadow
18th March 2007, 09:16 PM
If it hadn't been for my banning at LCF, I would never have known about JREF. I was called a JREF shill and then they posted links to some of the forums here and whatnot.

LashL
18th March 2007, 09:22 PM
If it hadn't been for my banning at LCF, I would never have known about JREF. I was called a JREF shill and then they posted links to some of the forums here and whatnot.

My guess is that the juvenile antics of the LCF regulars and their constant whining about the JREF forums leads lots of people to find out about this site.
We should send them a thank you card :)

Brainster
18th March 2007, 09:35 PM
Hmmm, I might not even qualify; I was not "banned" from Loose Change but suspended for only three months, after which I posted a couple times. Never banned at 9-11 Blogger yet, although only one of my blog posts over there has actually made it through their screeners (when I pointed out that Eric D. Williams was still associated with the 9-11 Accountability Conference). They've voted down my comments often over there but AFAIK, never come close to kicking me out. I've never bothered registering over at the new Loose Change forum.

RAMS
18th March 2007, 11:18 PM
Banned from LC after 3 days for humorously referring to 28th kingdon, as "28 tourettes tyndrome" and offering some valuable links that may have been useful for his obvious affliction. Being objective, I felt I was being quite compassionate and most kind. Dylan Avery banned me and sent me a terse one liner that I was naughty for verbally assaulting posters.

However, "28 tourettes" took precedent over myself as to being an asset at LC, and I would agree with that decision to ban me by the professional staff at LC wholeheartedly. A brilliant and reasonable organization.

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ref
19th March 2007, 12:35 AM
When I started this thread, I knew banning was their policy, but I never imagined they have quite literally banned everybody with differing opinions.

This far, 47 of 49 posters have been banned at truth sites. That's 96% folks.

ref
19th March 2007, 12:37 AM
My guess is that the juvenile antics of the LCF regulars and their constant whining about the JREF forums leads lots of people to find out about this site.
We should send them a thank you card :)


That's very true :) They whine so much about JREF, that every thinking person comes here to see what this is all about. That's great advertising for us.

jhunter1163
19th March 2007, 03:17 AM
When I started this thread, I knew banning was their policy, but I never imagined they have quite literally banned everybody with differing opinions.

This far, 47 of 49 posters have been banned at truth sites. That's 96% folks.


And the other two are probably Scooby and Pagan.

Mince
19th March 2007, 03:47 AM
Is Quest saying the war's spread to Europe? How come I've not noticed? I'm not counting 7/7 as that was home-grown nutters.

No, just the "depleted uranium", hehe. Because he heard it on Rense and Unlce Alex repeated it.

ref
20th March 2007, 12:47 AM
Bump! Voting closes tomorrow ;)

51 of 53 banned (those 2 may possibly be truthers posting at JREF, the posts do not indicate their position).

In any case, 96-100% have been banned sometimes, 64% of those multiple times.

We are quite an active bunch, since 76% of us have been posting at truther sites.

Mobyseven
20th March 2007, 07:08 AM
It is worth noting - I don't plan to go back to any truther sites soon. Posting there was soul-crushing...the fact that there are many people who believe this (the exact number is not important - there are enough to organise meetings at GZ, and that is far too many for my liking), and the abuse that is sent your way as a believer of "The Official Conspiracy Theory" is so disheartening to me that it will take some time before I visit again.

The Silver Shadow
20th March 2007, 07:13 AM
Bump! Voting closes tomorrow ;)
Just watch all the twoofers come to the board to skewer the results the same way we do over at LCF ;)

Mobyseven
20th March 2007, 07:42 AM
They'd have to figure out how to register first...

Minadin
20th March 2007, 08:44 AM
Being polite but disagreeing with truthers.


As far as I can discern, I was banned at LCF for some sort of cross between the above reason, and also for posting outside of the specified little "skeptics" area they have over there. I never broke any rules or was ever impolite that I was aware of, nor was I ever given any sort of explaination whatsoever. In fact, I did my best to be courteous, and also to only post on certain topics that I am knowledgeable about.

Donal
20th March 2007, 09:41 AM
I was banned at LCF2 for asking about the infamous "we intentionally put in things we knew were wrong" by Dylan himself.

I have another account there, but I just lurk with it. I want to make one more to be active with, but can't decide if I want to play Twoofer or skeptic. I want to play a Twoofer, but I would never be able to hold character.

Horatius
20th March 2007, 11:05 AM
I was banned at LCF2 for asking about the infamous "we intentionally put in things we knew were wrong" by Dylan himself.

I have another account there, but I just lurk with it. I want to make one more to be active with, but can't decide if I want to play Twoofer or skeptic. I want to play a Twoofer, but I would never be able to hold character.



You could display the "Mark of Debunk". Start out as a twoofer, but with every stupid explanation you receive, become more skeptical. Within a week, they'll accuse you of being Gravy!

ref
21st March 2007, 04:37 AM
The poll is closed. Here are the results.

73 People responded.

55 (75,34%) have posted at truther sites
18 (24,66%) haven't.

Out of the 55 that have posted at truther sites:
53 (96,36%) have been banned at least once.
2 (3,64%) have not been banned.

Out of the 53 that have been banned:
20 (37,74%) have been banned once.
33 (62,26%) have been banned multiple times.


Conclusions:

We are actively trying to expose the lies of the truth movement and telling what the evidence clearly indicates. 75% of us have been participating in conversations at truther sites. Another sign of activity is, that one banning has not stopped the cause. 62% of truth site discussion participants have been banned more than once.

The most stunning fact though is, that almost every respondent, who had posted at truther sites had been banned. Only 2 people stated, that they had posted at truther sites but not been banned. Since there are a couple of truthers posting in this forum, it would seem reasonable to suggest, that these 2 votes came from the likes of scooby and pagan, who frequent this site. This can not be confirmed, since these 2 posters have not indicated their position.

Nevertheless, depending on how you view this,

96,36% - 100% of us have been banned at one time or another, when posting at truther sites.

When someone thinks, that the truth movement is actually out there to seek the truth and having critical discussions, I would like them to see this. They do not seek the truth. The have decided what their truth is, and they do not allow any free conversation. Once you disagree with them, they silence you. And this is not, because of some few accidental bannings. This is systematic. You only need to look at these figures to see. They don't want anyone to challenge their views. That would expose them as frauds. So they silence you.

Oliver
21st March 2007, 05:58 AM
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/111074601304365b5c.jpg

Horatius
21st March 2007, 06:07 AM
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1110746012bdcc5f6f.jpg

Why is the line for 68 LCF bans less than the line for 54 JREF bans?


Or is it just my computer?

Oliver
21st March 2007, 06:18 AM
Why is the line for 68 LCF bans less than the line for 54 JREF bans?

Or is it just my computer?


Typo/Fixed. :boxedin:

ref
21st March 2007, 06:24 AM
I quite don't understand the graph. Has some data switched places, or am I just too exhausted after a day of work?

Edit: Now I think I got it. It's the exhaustion.