How does Richard Reid fit in with conspiracy theorists?

[kimota]

Who? The name sounds slightly familiar...
How about American Airlines flight 63? Ummm....
Shoe bomber? OH! Him!

If Richard Reid succeeded, conspiracy boards would be abuzz with the government's involvement with Flight 63, probably trying to link it to 9/11 since it happened just three months later. But alas, he has only become a footnote (haw haw) in history, mostly to answer the question, "Why do I have to take my shoes off to go through the airport?"

For that matter, where are the conspiracy theories about any the failed assassination attempts or plans on every US President since Kennedy?

[apathoid]

But alas, he has only become a footnote (haw haw) in history, mostly to answer the question, "Why do I have to take my shoes off to go through the airport?"


God help us if plans are ever discovered to use body cavity bombs.

[Alt+F4]

where are the conspiracy theories about any the failed assassination attempts or plans on every US President since Kennedy?

Add to that both Roosevelts and Jackson.

[CptColumbo]

Add to that both Roosevelts and Jackson.

...and Truman.

[sophia8]

God help us if plans are ever discovered to use body cavity bombs.Just give it time. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will confess to planning to send suicide bombers with explosive-stuffed asses hangliding into the Eiffel Tower.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Who?

For that matter, where are the conspiracy theories about any the failed assassination attempts or plans on every US President since Kennedy?

There are plenty. The Hinckley/Bush connections in the Reagan attempt (coup). The Manson/MK-Ultra/Squeakie Frohm/Ford/Rockefeller theory. (I'm not aware of attempts on Carter, Clinton, or Nixon).

It's out there, if you want to find it.

Were attempts made on either Bush?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Were attempts made on either Bush?
The younger, yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush#Assassination_attempt

[busherie]

Smart CTists obviously agree that there are real terrorists! We actually believe the US, while pretending to eradicate terrorism, actually creates breeding grounds for them: IQ, AFG, Somalia.

They do so to justify their actions in the Middle East, the Malacca strait, Djibouti. This is a, conscious or not, strategic plan, obviously enabled by the 9/11 attacks.

[scooby]

Just give it time. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will confess to planning to send suicide bombers with explosive-stuffed asses hangliding into the Eiffel Tower.

No that was me.
I'm Spartacus.

[Panoply_Prefect]

The younger, yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush#Assassination_attempt

Didnt the Iraquis at least plan to assassinate George Bush, Sr. in Kuwait in 1993?

EDIT: Found this (http://hnn.us/articles/1000.html).

[Big Les]

God help us if plans are ever discovered to use body cavity bombs.

Used to great effect in Tony Scott's highly underrated "Man on Fire" (especially in the alternate ending).

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Didnt the Iraquis at least plan to assassinate George Bush, Sr. in Kuwait in 1993?

EDIT: Found this (http://hnn.us/articles/1000.html).

"The Iraqis". Hmmm. Was it the government? Hussein? Or a network of terrorists?

There are also theories, much written about, that Daddy Bush meeting in France with Iranian's to negotiate...

Oh, never mind. We're all CTers; we just pick and choose which CTs we believe.

[firecoins]

Were attempts made on either Bush?
Saddam Hussein tried to kill Bush I just after he got out of office.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Saddam Hussein tried to kill Bush I just after he got out of office.

So we're told, yes. I even believe that CT!

[beachnut]

So we're told, yes. I even believe that CT!Got any facts on that? If you were to check you could do much better than just make up stuff. I can make up better junk...

Richard Reid is not very good at lighting his shoes. If he was part of the CT on 9/11, I think the terrorist gave him the shoes and hoped he would disappear before he messed up the big picture. No facts just an observation on an idiot who can not even light his shoes! He should have practiced more.

Just look at Reid, who you want him around for anything more complex than lighting a lighter, and lighting a fuse?

I predict after it happened, that yes if he had dressed up better and it had been in the 50s, he could have tried a lot more to light that fuse. But gee, if you were to light a match today, everyone, even the smokers would get pissed if you did not share a fag with all, or pay everyone tons of money to bug off. (AW Smith will.....)

[A W Smith]

Got any facts on that?

Richard Reid is not very good at lighting his shoes.

Now if he were a fifties gumshoe with a felt fedora and a double breasted suit he could have gotten away with lighting a blue tip match off his shoe to light a cigar.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Got any facts on that? If you were to check you could do much better than just make up stuff. I can make up better junk...



I wasn't talking about the Shoe Bomber. I was talking about the CT that Hussein tried to assassinate Bush 41.

[beachnut]

I wasn't talking about the Shoe Bomber. I was talking about the CT that Hussein tried to assassinate Bush 41.So was I. But you missed it. It was something about facts, then I moved back to topic. Why was I back to topic. You went off topic, I moved back, still telling you first you could find some facts before posting junk and asking questions that prove you do not know the off topic or the on topic facts. I through in some BS on Reid if I was a leader I would give Reid something else to do and make sure he never knew the real story. Reid can not even light a shoe, he is as challenged lighting shoes as you are in finding facts.

But yes you were off topic, I was hoping you could find facts about you off topic subject because it make you look challenged on the facts.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

"The Iraqis". Hmmm. Was it the government? Hussein? Or a network of terrorists?
You didn't actually read that article, did you?

[beachnut]

There are plenty. The Hinckley/Bush connections in the Reagan attempt (coup). The Manson/MK-Ultra/Squeakie Frohm/Ford/Rockefeller theory. (I'm not aware of attempts on Carter, Clinton, or Nixon).

It's out there, if you want to find it.

Were attempts made on either Bush?

You are not aware is the only fact from your CT mind for today.

Nixon - Richard M. Nixon
February 22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_22), 1974 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974): Samuel Byck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Byck) planned to kill Nixon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Nixon) by crashing a commercial airliner into the White House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House). Once on the plane, he was informed that it could not take off with the wheel blocks still in place. He shot the pilot and copilot before killing himself.

Bill Clinton
September 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_13), 1994 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994): Frank Eugene Corder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Eugene_Corder) crashed a two-seat, propeller-driven aircraft into the White House grounds. President Clinton and family were staying in the Blair House at the time and were unharmed. Corder was killed, though no other injuries were reported.
Jimmy Carter
May 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_5), 1979 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979): Ten minutes before Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter) was about to speak at the civic center mall in Los Angeles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles), Raymond Lee Harvey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Lee_Harvey) was arrested carrying a pistol. He later told authorities that he and another man were hired to create a diversion so that Mexican hit men armed with sniper rifles could kill Carter.

George H.W. Bush
April 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_13), 1993 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993): Sixteen suspected terrorists, in the employ of Saddam Hussein's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein) Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), smuggled a car bomb into Kuwait with the intent of killing Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H.W._Bush) as he spoke at Kuwait University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait_University). The plot was foiled when Kuwaiti officials found the bomb and arrested the suspected assassins. Bush had left office in January 1993 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993). On June 26 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_26), 1993, the U.S. launched a missile attack targeting Baghdad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad) intelligence headquarters in retaliation for the attempted attack against Bush.

And add Richard Reid to this group and you could have a bunch of nuts.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

You didn't actually read that article, did you?

No, I did not. Because I don't know the credibility of the writer or publication.

;)

[skepticalcriticalguy]

The younger, yes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush#Assassination_attempt

What about the incident at Longboat Key on 9/11? (I just thought about that).

[Gravy]

No, I did not. Because I don't know the credibility of the writer or publication.

;)And your schooling didn't prepare you for footnote citations, is that correct?
Edit: ah, I was referring the Wikipedia Shrub article. You're referring to the FBI excerpts about 41. Seems like a diligent researcher such as yourself will have no problem verifying that information.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

You are not aware is the only fact from your CT mind for today.

Nixon - Richard M. Nixon
February 22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_22), 1974 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974): Samuel Byck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Byck) planned to kill Nixon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_M._Nixon) by crashing a commercial airliner into the White House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House). Once on the plane, he was informed that it could not take off with the wheel blocks still in place. He shot the pilot and copilot before killing himself.

Bill Clinton
September 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_13), 1994 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994): Frank Eugene Corder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Eugene_Corder) crashed a two-seat, propeller-driven aircraft into the White House grounds. President Clinton and family were staying in the Blair House at the time and were unharmed. Corder was killed, though no other injuries were reported.
Jimmy Carter
May 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_5), 1979 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979): Ten minutes before Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter) was about to speak at the civic center mall in Los Angeles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles), Raymond Lee Harvey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Lee_Harvey) was arrested carrying a pistol. He later told authorities that he and another man were hired to create a diversion so that Mexican hit men armed with sniper rifles could kill Carter.

George H.W. Bush
April 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_13), 1993 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993): Sixteen suspected terrorists, in the employ of Saddam Hussein's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein) Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq), smuggled a car bomb into Kuwait with the intent of killing Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H.W._Bush) as he spoke at Kuwait University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait_University). The plot was foiled when Kuwaiti officials found the bomb and arrested the suspected assassins. Bush had left office in January 1993 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993). On June 26 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_26), 1993, the U.S. launched a missile attack targeting Baghdad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad) intelligence headquarters in retaliation for the attempted attack against Bush.

And add Richard Reid to this group and you could have a bunch of nuts.

A bunch of nuts indeed! Could any of these assassins even find the men's room?

[Gravy]

What about the incident at Longboat Key on 9/11? (I just thought about that).
There was no assassination attempt at Longboat Key.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

There was no assassination attempt at Longboat Key.

How do you know for sure?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

How do you know for sure?
Is relativism your only skill?

[skepticalcriticalguy]

May 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_5), 1979 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979): Ten minutes before Carter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter) was about to speak at the civic center mall in Los Angeles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles), Raymond Lee Harvey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Lee_Harvey) was arrested carrying a pistol. He later told authorities that he and another man were hired to create a diversion so that Mexican hit men armed with sniper rifles could kill Carter.



There's a convenient name for a would-be assassin! The CT in me says this was a warning sent to Carter by the oligarchs.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

And your schooling didn't prepare you for footnote citations, is that correct?
Edit: ah, I was referring the Wikipedia Shrub article. You're referring to the FBI excerpts about 41. Seems like a diligent researcher such as yourself will have no problem verifying that information.

No, you're correct. The one by FBI Study at the History News Whatever site. I question the credibility of the writer.

[kookbreaker]

A bunch of nuts indeed! Could any of these assassins even find the men's room?

Ever read about the number of asassins and the other targets around the Lincoln asassination?

Also, you do realise that Oswald's only real skill was marksmanship?

The asasination of Archduke Ferdinand was a laugh riot of incompetence until the driver took the wrong turn.

Asassins and would-be asassins of public figures very rarely go hand-in-hand with 'competent'.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Ever read about the number of asassins and the other targets around the Lincoln asassination?

Also, you do realise that Oswald's only real skill was marksmanship?

The asasination of Archduke Ferdinand was a laugh riot of incompetence until the driver took the wrong turn.

Asassins and would-be asassins of public figures very rarely go hand-in-hand with 'competent'.

Well, except for Oswald, who was a "master marksman." OK, sling me a link about that.

[kookbreaker]

Well, except for Oswald, who was a "master marksman." OK, sling me a link about that.

Sling you a link? Its a matter of the public record. But hey, if you must:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/forum/mailer.html

Or get to reading the Warren comission report.

Mind you, even with his skill: he fired four shots in anger in his life and missed two of them.

[A W Smith]

I remember seeing a demonstration of an 80 something year old guy firing a replica of Lee Harvey Oswald's mannlicher carcano rifle. He got off three shots as quickly as Oswald.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Sling you a link? Its a matter of the public record. But hey, if you must:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/oswald/forum/mailer.html

Or get to reading the Warren comission report.

Mind you, even with his skill: he fired four shots in anger in his life and missed two of them.

Ah, "the public record." And the Warren Report. Never mind.

[kookbreaker]

Ah, "the public record." And the Warren Report. Never mind.

I beg your pardon? Is this some kind of dismissal?

Typical conspiracy nutter behavior. They ask for a link, theyget one, and they whine about the source.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

I beg your pardon? Is this some kind of dismissal?

Typical conspiracy nutter behavior. They ask for a link, theyget one, and they whine about the source.

Typical JREF behavior, too. No matter what the original source, if they can find it posted at Rense or PrisonPlanet, they dismiss it.

[kookbreaker]

Typical JREF behavior, too. No matter what the original source, if they can find it posted at Rense or PrisonPlanet, they dismiss it.

I notice you evaded the question.

Cowardice is not becoming.

And what you say is untrue. the truth is that when you send us to rense, et al. invariably the articles are either written by troothers with a very selective pen, or were articles that have since been amended.

[LashL]

:socks:

[Cl1mh4224rd]

And what you say is untrue. the truth is that when you send us to rense, et al. invariably the articles are either written by troothers with a very selective pen, or were articles that have since been amended.
Or are nothing more than paranoid analyses/commentaries of a legitimate article.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Or are nothing more than paranoid analyses/commentaries of a legitimate article.

And what makes the "legitimate" article "legitimate?

[skepticalcriticalguy]

I notice you evaded the question.



Which question; pick one and I'll answer it.

[gumboot]

Which question; pick one and I'll answer it.

What is your name?

-Gumboot

[kookbreaker]

Which question; pick one and I'll answer it.

Why are you dismissive of the WC as a source? What is your justification? Do you further disagree with the HSCA, which also stated the same thing.

You don't need to agree with the final conclusion of either comittee, but on what basis do you dismiss their fact finding?

[Björn Toulouse]

(I'm not aware of attempts on Carter, Clinton, or Nixon).


There was a significant attempt on the life of Jimmy C. back in 1979. There is speculation as to the true identity of the assailant.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a4_019.html

And it happened on April 20.

Wooooooooo....

[Gravy]

There was no assassination attempt at Longboat Key.

How do you know for sure?Okay, Mr. Troll, I'll bite one last time.

Neither George Bush, the United States Secret Service, nor any one else reported an assassination attempt at Longboat Key. No evidence has been produced by anyone of an assassination attempt at Longboat Key.

Disagree? Then present evidence that shows an assassination attempt. That's what rational adults do, isn't it?

Why do you need to be told this in every thread where you post? Are you incapable of learning?