Rosie O'Donnell Libels The FDNY

[Alt+F4]

Considering the fact that Rosie upped the ante and came right out and accused the FDNY of complicity in 9/11 I thought her lies deserved a separate thread.

From her blog entry of March 15:


at 5 30 pm
9 11 2001
wtc7 collapsed
for the third time in history
fire brought down a steel building
reducing it to rubble
hold on folks
here we go
• The fires in WTC 7 were not evenly distributed, so a perfect collapse was impossible.
• Silverstein said to the fire department commander “the smartest thing to do is pull it.”
• Firefighters withdrawing from the area stated the building was going to “blow up”.
• The roof of WTC 7 visibly crumbled and the building collapsed perfectly into its footprint.
• Molten steel and partially evaporated steel members were found in the debris.

[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. …”Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive,” said Max Berger of New York’s Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. “This is a disaster for these cases.” [New York Lawyer]
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]

Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service’s largest field office with more than 200 employees. …”All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building,” according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. [TechTV]

lets start here
ok…go slow
remember 2 breathe
use google

[Mancman]

Wow, she has provided totally new evidence that has proven an inside job beyond any doubt. There was me thinking she would re-hash utterly nonsensical rubbish!

[CptColumbo]

You can say what you want about Donald Trump, but you may cross the line when you talk trash about the FDNY.

[Redtail]

Considering the fact that Rosie upped the ante and came right out and accused the FDNY of complicity in 9/11 I thought her lies deserved a separate thread.

From her blog entry of March 15:


at 5 30 pm
9 11 2001
wtc7 collapsed
for the third time in history
fire brought down a steel building
reducing it to rubble
hold on folks
here we go
• The fires in WTC 7 were not evenly distributed, so a perfect collapse was impossible.
• Silverstein said to the fire department commander “the smartest thing to do is pull it.”
• Firefighters withdrawing from the area stated the building was going to “blow up”.
• The roof of WTC 7 visibly crumbled and the building collapsed perfectly into its footprint.
• Molten steel and partially evaporated steel members were found in the debris.

[WTC 7] contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions. [Online Journal]

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. …”Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive,” said Max Berger of New York’s Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. “This is a disaster for these cases.” [New York Lawyer]
Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. [TheStreet]

Inside [WTC 7 was] the US Secret Service’s largest field office with more than 200 employees. …”All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building,” according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. [TechTV]

lets start here
ok…go slow
remember 2 breathe
use google

Again with fire brought down the buildings. Again with pull it. I'm beginning to believe that Idiocracy is a documentary

[Kryptos]

I notice comments are turned off on her blog. Anyone know if that's always been the case?

[WildCat]

I asked her the following:

I see you've now joined the "truth" movement, and are accusing the FDNY of complicity in the destruction of WTC7. Perhaps you'd like to discuss this? http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/forumindex.php

Doubt she'll show up or reply to me, but I had to do something about this idiocy.

[firecoins]

I doubt Rosie would allow comments.

1. She would get too many comments being a celebrity.

2. Truthers don't allow dissent. We can see Rosie doesn't not allow people to disagree with her.

Rosie is a lunatic and an idiot. I wish she moved out of the US.

[Kryptos]

From "ask ro", posted on March 16.

Mariana writes: Have you seen this website: http://www.debunking911.com/
What do you say?
yes i have seen it

[Mercutio]

I wanna see Gravy on The View!

[Gravy]

Wow, she's not getting any smarter, is she? In addition to everything else she got wrong and doesn't understand, there's this:

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed [by the collapse of WTC 7]. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency’s major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. …”Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive,” said Max Berger of New York’s Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. “This is a disaster for these cases.” [New York Lawyer]

The SEC did roughly quantify those losses, which was reported in the same article that Rosie cites:

Excerpt from "Federal Agencies: Re-creating Lost Files" New York Law Journal September 14, 2001

“Clearly what happened was a severe blow,” Wayne Carlin, the SEC’s Northeast regional director, told the Washington Post. “It will slow us down, and we will need some amount of time to recover.”

The office, which enforces SEC regulations, lost files on about 300 pending investigations, including a major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom.

Mr. Carlin said there were no plans to drop any pending matters. “We lost a lot of stuff, though some of it is reconstructible,” he said. “Anybody who is under our investigation would be making a mistake if they thought they were in the clear.”

The SEC will probably be able to get new copies of documents from the parties that turned them over initially, Mr. Carlin said.

Barry Barbash, a partner with the New York and Washington, D.C. offices of Shearman & Sterling and former director of the division of investment management at the SEC, said that most of the securities firms have back-up systems.

“It’s really the [SEC’s] internally generated notes and correspondence that will prove most problematic,” Mr. Barbash said.

He added that the agency’s ability to reconstruct an investigation will also depend on how far along it was. If the New York office was working with the Washington, D.C. or other offices, those offices would probably have back up records, he noted.

Mr. Barbash said that it was his recollection that the SEC did not have a systematic record retention policy where important documents were copied or saved on computer files.

But he expressed confidence that the SEC would get through the crisis. “They care about what they do. They are not going to let the destruction of a building stand in the way of that,” he said.I wonder when we'll see those crack "truth" investigators come up with a list of SEC cases that had to be abandoned because of the collapse of building 7.

:con2:

[Gravy]

I wanna see Gravy on The View!I demand a soft-focus lens!

Actually, I am going to contact Ms. O'Donnell to see if she'd be willing to sit down for an hour or two to discuss these things.

[A W Smith]

I demand a soft-focus lens!

Actually, I am going to contact Ms. O'Donnell to see if she'd be willing to sit down Hang Around for an hour or two to discuss these things.
Fixed that

[R.Mackey]

The phenomenology I find telling is this:

The Idiot Movement does gain new people every once in a while, but it never gains new arguments. As a result, it never gets any smarter.

Over time, this flow of morons out of culture at large and into the Idiot Movement manifests as a net decrease in the Idiot Movement's relative intelligence compared to the rest of us.

It's been at this for five and a half years.

Explains a lot, really.

[WildCat]

She also has a link to the scholars for troof on her page.

[Alt+F4]

Truthers don't allow dissent. We can see Rosie doesn't not allow people to disagree with her.

How true. Her "Ask Ro" feature is working however. I've politely debunked each of her points and I'm going back everyday.

[Whiplash]

Someone needs to start a countdown to how much longer before she get's axed from the view. It's inevitable, isn't it? She can't keep behaving the way she is wihtout them finally deciding they don't want to put up with the hassle.

[A W Smith]

she only updates it on fridays I think. There is no link to her blog on this thread so i will add it here

http://www.rosie.com/blog/sections/ask-ro

[Earl The Tall]

I am honeslty not shocked at this. Ever since coming on The View she has shouted out one baseless claim after another. She also follows that John Conner(sp) guy.

[Pardalis]

I kind of feel bad for Leftists (which I am not) because once high profile activists like her adopt such ridiculous ideas, this tend to discredit their entire efforts.

It certainly doesn't really encourage me to listen to them, since I know it eventually leads to such insane extremes.

[fuelair]

I am honeslty not shocked at this. Ever since coming on The View she has shouted out one baseless claim after another. She also follows that John Conner(sp) guy.
I really did used to enjoy her humor - and her acting. I even supported (and still do) her decision to come out.

But I no longer enjoy what she now passes off as humor but I can only see as indifference and cruelty - and, if she actually believes the "truther" liars, ignorance/stupidity. I miss the old Rosie, I loathe the new one. And I can't tell which is or was the real one - if there even is a real one.

[Alt+F4]

My friends, let's keep in mind that some Rosie fans might end up coming to JREF to find out what's what. Why don't we again debunk Rosie's blog here with the real truth. I'll start:

Firefighters withdrawing from the area stated the building was going to “blow up”.

This refers to a particular video on YouTube. The editing is very dishonest. They use video of one street with voice over from a different video on a different street.

The person who made the "blow up" statement was a police officer, not a firefighter. The building he is refering to is NOT WTC 7, it's nearby Stuyvesant High School which had a bomb threat that morning and had temporarily been used as a staging area for rescue vehicles.

Judge for yourself, here's the link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4

[A W Smith]

I really did used to enjoy her humor - and her acting. I even supported (and still do) her decision to come out.

But I no longer enjoy what she now passes off as humor but I can only see as indifference and cruelty - and, if she actually believes the "truther" liars, ignorance/stupidity. I miss the old Rosie, I loathe the new one. And I can't tell which is or was the real one - if there even is a real one.


I can vaguely remember a time long long ago when she has a sense of humor. Now she comes off as a bitter malcontent envious of those around her. She seems real unhappy with her life. Probably because of her depression which crushes her self esteem. She craves controversial stances with her sound bites which temporarily makes her feel above those she insults. She has become a sad loathsome shell of a person.

[pomeroo]

I wanna see Gravy on The View!



I sent Rosie links to Mark's debate with The Boys. She hasn't responded, needless to say, and has not updated her stupid blog in two days.

[A W Smith]

I sent Rosie links to Mark's debate with The Boys. She hasn't responded, needless to say, and has not updated her stupid blog in two days.


two days ago would be Friday. I recall reading somewhere on that blog that Friday is the only day she sets aside for replies and updates.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Perhaps they should sue her for libel, then.

[WildCat]

I miss the old Rosie, I loathe the new one. And I can't tell which is or was the real one - if there even is a real one.
The "old Rosie" was always gushing about her crush on Tom Cruise, then she came out as a lesbian... :rolleyes:

[Alt+F4]

Perhaps they should sue her for libel, then.

Perhaps they will. Need a little while longer for the word to get out, I doubt the leadership of the FDNY reads Rosie's blog.

[WildCat]

On the web page for "The View" (http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/) you can email Joy, Elizabeth, and Barbara but not Rosie. Figures...

I think I'm going to email Barbara Walters and suggest a show where some FDNY 9/11 veterans can confront Rosie's assertion that they blew up WTC7.

[boloboffin]

My friends, let's keep in mind that some Rosie fans might end up coming to JREF to find out what's what. Why don't we again debunk Rosie's blog here with the real truth. I'll start:



This refers to a particular video on YouTube. The editing is very dishonest. They use video of one street with voice over from a different video on a different street.

The person who made the "blow up" statement was a police officer, not a firefighter. The building he is refering to is NOT WTC 7, it's nearby Stuyvesant High School which had a bomb threat that morning and had temporarily been used as a staging area for rescue vehicles.

Judge for yourself, here's the link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4

FWIW, I think the editing on that bit came straight from a CNN retrospective, sound and all, and the truthers have latched onto it - like the "pull it" - "pull building 6" thing from the PBS special. Just my opinion - the editing is really, really good (technically speaking) to my eye, and I've yet to see that level of editing proficiency demonstrated by any truther video.

[T.A.M.]

The very suggestion that these men and women, these firemen/women, who would run into a building to save the sorry ass of a burning truther while everyone else is running out, could be in on a USG coverup and not speak because they are "fearful" of repercussions is simply disgusting. I doubt "fear" is even in their vocabulary, but I know one word that is..."Honour/Honor".

TAM:)

[Mr. Skinny]

I really did used to enjoy her humor - and her acting. I even supported (and still do) her decision to come out.

But I no longer enjoy what she now passes off as humor but I can only see as indifference and cruelty - and, if she actually believes the "truther" liars, ignorance/stupidity. I miss the old Rosie, I loathe the new one. And I can't tell which is or was the real one - if there even is a real one.
I'm suprised by the new Rosie as well.

She had John Edward on her talk show years ago and almost flat out told him that she was skeptical that anyone could talk to the dead. I had high hopes for her based on that.

I wonder where here skepticism went?

[Kryptos]

I don't know if/how Barbara Walters can be okay with this, being on the same television program with Rosie, given all this nonsense. I'll be sure to send an e-mail to Barbara, Joy, and Elizabeth.

We can also contact ABC directly: http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html

But think it would be most effective if Gravy could go speak with them and/or Rosie herself.

[A W Smith]

As long as Barbara gets ratings from Ro's controversial sound bites I am sure she could care less.

[T.A.M.]

I'm suprised by the new Rosie as well.

She had John Edward on her talk show years ago and almost flat out told him that she was skeptical that anyone could talk to the dead. I had high hopes for her based on that.

I wonder where here skepticism went?

It is amazing how someone who is otherwise quite a rational, ordinary person, can turn into a raging lunatic when consumed by hatred.

Rosie hates Dick Cheney and the Neocons that much, all else, truth or fiction, matters little.

TAM:)

[Mr. Skinny]

It would be cool if Gravy could appear on The View. I think they film in Hi Definition, so we could see every pore and nose hair.

Gravy, you need a metrosexual waxing and manicure before you appear with the girls.

Seriously though, I think one of the other women on the show (Joy? Barbara?) might upbraid her on the show if someone planted the seed via email.

[Alt+F4]

I think one of the other women on the show (Joy? Barbara?) might upbraid her on the show if someone planted the seed via email.

Yup, that's what we should all be doing. I'm sending email to FDNY folks to get the word out there.

[Mr. Skinny]

Rosie does seem to be proud of the fact that she grew up in NYC. I think she's a Brooklynite/Long Islander. I bet the FDNY folks would have a lot to say to a fellow New Yawker.

[Kryptos]

Apparently, Elizabeth spoke at the 2004 Republican National Convention.

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/bios/elisabeth_hasselbeck.html

[gumboot]

FWIW, I think the editing on that bit came straight from a CNN retrospective, sound and all, and the truthers have latched onto it - like the "pull it" - "pull building 6" thing from the PBS special. Just my opinion - the editing is really, really good (technically speaking) to my eye, and I've yet to see that level of editing proficiency demonstrated by any truther video.



I agree. Definately professional editing. It's funny though, because it's also really obvious the footage is not from the same piece. The footage of the guys walking back, with the comments "watch that building, it's about to come down" have a much warmer tone than the footage of the policeman who says "the building is about to blow up".

They mixed the sound to make it seem like they're part of the same conversation, but they're not.

The reaction of the works is also telling. They don't act like they heard an explosion. They act like they heard something heavy collapse, which is what it sounds like.

-Gumboot

[Kryptos]

Barbara did the first interview with President and Mrs. Bush following September 11, among numerous other interviews.

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/bios/barbara_walters.html

[Brainster]

She also has a link to the scholars for troof on her page.

Note in particular that it's a link to the Fetzer Scholars, and not to the old site where people get the choice to go to the Jones' Scholars for Truth and Justice.

[T.A.M.]

Apparently, Elizabeth spoke at the 2004 Republican National Convention.

http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/bios/elisabeth_hasselbeck.html

Ya Elizabeth is not shy about her Republican status.

TAM:)

[The Demon's Head]

Either Rosie is saying all this BS for attention or... Well, it has to be for attention.

[Alt+F4]

Rosie does seem to be proud of the fact that she grew up in NYC. I think she's a Brooklynite/Long Islander. I bet the FDNY folks would have a lot to say to a fellow New Yawker.

Rosie was born on Long Island, which is NOT in NYC. She attended college in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts then moved to Los Angeles. In no way is she a "New Yawker".

[vIQleS]

What's the official debunk vis a vis the 'pull it' statement?

I don't know if i've ever seen it mentioned (nor have i seen the video), but isn't it very possible that Silverstein actually said "pull out"? (This seems more logical, and more like something someone would actually say, then 'pull it".)

[babazaroni]

I don't think so. Silverstein Management did release an explanation and 'pull out' was not it.

[boloboffin]

It doesn't get more "official" than Silverstein's own representative saying that Silverstein meant the contingent of firefighters around the building.

It would be nice if the debunk was as easy as "pull out," but Silverstein clearly says "pull it." I would love to hear the video before the edit to hear what Silverstein was talking about before, or even the question he was responding to. However, there was never a question about this quote until some enterprising truther noticed that somebody said they were going to "pull" building 6 in the same documentary. Of course, the truthers will never tell you that they pulled building 6 over with cables, which is virtually the only way demo crews ever use the term "pull." So unless the truthers think that the FDNY hooked up cables and yanked that building down, Silverstein's "pull it" could only mean what his rep said it meant.

[Unfit4Command]

Rosie is such an intelligent person, she should be the leader of 9/11 Truth.

[CHF]

What's the official debunk vis a vis the 'pull it' statement?

I don't know if i've ever seen it mentioned (nor have i seen the video), but isn't it very possible that Silverstein actually said "pull out"? (This seems more logical, and more like something someone would actually say, then 'pull it".)

"Pull" (pull back) "it" (the FDNY mission in the area)

[babazaroni]

While looking for the Silverstein Properties explanation of 'Pull it' I came across this.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/silverstein_pullit.html

They are saying that WTC 6 was demolished with explosives, so 'Pull it' refers to explosive CD.

WTC 6 was pulled down with cables.

They are showing WTC 6 being pulled down with cables from a distance, but claiming explosives were used. Wow thats scummy.

Here's the image they show proving WTC 6 explosive CD.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1354645fe0c82e4eed.gif

Why not remove a few frames to prove your point?

[Brainster]

What's the official debunk vis a vis the 'pull it' statement?

I don't know if i've ever seen it mentioned (nor have i seen the video), but isn't it very possible that Silverstein actually said "pull out"? (This seems more logical, and more like something someone would actually say, then 'pull it".)

No, he definitely said "pull it". My assumption is that he tried to get a little too hip with his slang and is paying the price, like that British guy who made the stupid claim that he'd been rehearsing subway bombings at the exact stations targeted on 7/7/05.

[bignickel]

Considering the fact that Rosie upped the ante and came right out and accused the FDNY of complicity in 9/11 I thought her lies deserved a separate thread.

Looks like someone had a chat with Rosie about which group not to pi$$ off:

Grant writes:

" Your 15 March blog seems to imply that the FDNY was involved in blowing up WTC7. I am a long time firefighter. I had friends killed or injured on 9/11. Did I misunderstand what you are stating?"

i do not think fdny had anything to do
with the controlled demolition of wtc 7

u r all hereos

[gumboot]

i do not think fdny had anything to do
with the controlled demolition of wtc 7

u r all hereos


Is that Rosie's own message?

-Gumboot

[Brainache]

Looks like someone had a chat with Rosie about which group not to pi$$ off:

Grant writes:

" Your 15 March blog seems to imply that the FDNY was involved in blowing up WTC7. I am a long time firefighter. I had friends killed or injured on 9/11. Did I misunderstand what you are stating?"

i do not think fdny had anything to do
with the controlled demolition of wtc 7

u r all hereos

So is she saying that the FDNY don't know the difference between a CD and a collapse that they had been predicting for hours?

[bignickel]

Is that Rosie's own message?

-Gumboot
That was her reply to "grant". Looks like she knows where the line is, in terms of costing her eyeballs/viewers/money (or someone on her staff does).

[gumboot]

That was her reply to "grant". Looks like she knows where the line is, in terms of costing her eyeballs/viewers/money (or someone on her staff does).

Sweet F-ing deity! Why are all the people who believe in 9/11 conspiracies so hopelessly stupid?

If I had to guess the age of the person who wrote that message I'd say 13-15yrs old.

-Gumboot

[skepticalcriticalguy]

No, he definitely said "pull it". My assumption is that he tried to get a little too hip with his slang and is paying the price, like that British guy who made the stupid claim that he'd been rehearsing subway bombings at the exact stations targeted on 7/7/05.

Are you referring to Peter Power of Visor Consultants. His "correction" seems just as much of a scramble as Silverstein's.

[skepticalcriticalguy]

I really hope a lawsuit comes of this.

[Juustin]

I really would like to see a Gravy vs. Rosie debate on The View. Also, I really, really hope that if someone on the show decides to call Rosie out on it, that it's not Elizabeth. I've never really watched the show, but I've heard a bunch of clips of Elizabeth saying something incredibly stupid and then acting like a 12 year old throwing a hissy fit when someone corrects her.

[Darth Rotor]

Looks like someone had a chat with Rosie about which group not to pi$$ off:

Grant writes:

" Your 15 March blog seems to imply that the FDNY was involved in blowing up WTC7. I am a long time firefighter. I had friends killed or injured on 9/11. Did I misunderstand what you are stating?"

i do not think fdny had anything to do
with the controlled demolition of wtc 7

u r all hereos
Great, a talk show host posts in idiotspeak. I think a reasonable demand would be to remove the lies from her blog. Of course, the response to that might be "STFU n00b" or some other such idiocy.

DR

[Calcas]

I've never seen "The View" before but in this clip Rosie lays into Elisabeth who, apparently, was crying backstage later.

I will say that Elisabeth is one fine looking lady.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FjruZx44y0s

[WildCat]

That was her reply to "grant". Looks like she knows where the line is, in terms of costing her eyeballs/viewers/money (or someone on her staff does).
The dilemma for the troofers is that there is no way they can claim that WTC 7 was a controlled demo and not implicate the FDNY. Rosie is now finding that out and is trying to backtrack, but she's stepped in it and can't get it off her shoe.

[ref]

The dilemma for the troofers is that there is no way they can claim that WTC 7 was a controlled demo and not implicate the FDNY. Rosie is now finding that out and is trying to backtrack, but she's stepped in it and can't get it off her shoe.

They have double standards, every time. They say FDNY didn't demolish building 7, but the Silverstein statement clearly states "they made the decision to pull". Both can't be true, if pull it meant demolition. Unless they dialed some demolition experts to pull it for them and they did the work in few hours on the tallest building ever demolished.

:viking1 They are stupid.

[WildCat]

Unless they dialed some demolition experts to pull it for them and they did the work in few hours on the tallest building ever demolished.
Even then they're in on it, because they're covering it up.

:viking1 They are stupid.
Oh yeah.

[ref]

Even then they're in on it, because they're covering it up.

Yep.

[gumboot]

I've never seen "The View" before but in this clip Rosie lays into Elisabeth who, apparently, was crying backstage later.

I will say that Elisabeth is one fine looking lady.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FjruZx44y0s



Wow... you Americans really have some garbage on your TVs! ;)

Elizabeth isn't exactly the smartest tool in the box, far as I can tell, but Rosie comes across as a complete and utter [rule8]. And what was with that "you're young and so wrong" BS? To a 30-year old? What an arrogant loud-mouthed woman.

-Gumboot

P.S. What's with that American philosophy that the most effective debate tactic is to talk over the top of your opponant as loudly as you can and repeat the same thing over and over?

[Calcas]

P.S. What's with that American philosophy that the most effective debate tactic is to talk over the top of your opponant as loudly as you can and repeat the same thing over and over?


I don't think that tactic is limited to Americans. But, it IS a preferred method for the CT crowd. If you have ever seen video of Alex Jones, that's all he does. Yell, scream, and basically not let the other person get a word in edgewise.

[WildCat]

P.S. What's with that American philosophy that the most effective debate tactic is to talk over the top of your opponant as loudly as you can and repeat the same thing over and over?
I wasn't aware that loudmouthed boors are a uniquely American phenomena.

At any rate, Rosie was hired to be the loudmouthed boor and that's what she's doing, in spades.

[brodski]

Great, a talk show host posts in idiotspeak. I think a reasonable demand would be to remove the lies from her blog. Of course, the response to that might be "STFU n00b" or some other such idiocy.

DR
Given what I have heard of Ms O’Donnel, I had presumed that “idiotspeak” was her native tongue.

[gumboot]

I don't think that tactic is limited to Americans. But, it IS a preferred method for the CT crowd. If you have ever seen video of Alex Jones, that's all he does. Yell, scream, and basically not let the other person get a word in edgewise.

I wasn't aware that loudmouthed boors are a uniquely American phenomena.

At any rate, Rosie was hired to be the loudmouthed boor and that's what she's doing, in spades.



Hey now, you can't let me pass up an opportunity to lay into the Yanks! ;)

Seriously though, I've only ever really seen this sort of "tactic" employed publicly on television by Americans. I have no doubt other people use it to, but it does seem exceedingly common amongst that group of Americans who are so eager to appear on TV.

-Gumboot

[brodski]

I wasn't aware that loudmouthed boors are a uniquely American phenomena.

At any rate, Rosie was hired to be the loudmouthed boor and that's what she's doing, in spades.

I think you answered the point in your first paragraph with your second.
There are loudmouth bores of all nationalities; however the idea of giving a loudmouth bore their own high profile TV show just because they are a loudmouth bore seems to be an American invention (one which is now being copied by TV stations in other nations).

[firecoins]

Rosie was born on Long Island, which is NOT in NYC. She attended college in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts then moved to Los Angeles. In no way is she a "New Yawker".
People from Long Island are in New York. There accent is very similar to thew Queens accent. Surprise, they are right next door. Long Island qualifies as New Yawker.

[WildCat]

I think you answered the point in your first paragraph with your second.
There are loudmouth bores of all nationalities; however the idea of giving a loudmouth bore their own high profile TV show just because they are a loudmouth bore seems to be an American invention (one which is now being copied by TV stations in other nations).
Aren't you British? The guys who exported "American Idol" (don't recall what the British version was called) to us, complete w/ the boorish British talent judge? Hmmm, I guess he isn't also a loudmouth, just a boor. Maybe you're right.

[Hamradioguy]

Looks like someone had a chat with Rosie about which group not to pi$$ off:

Grant writes:

" Your 15 March blog seems to imply that the FDNY was involved in blowing up WTC7. I am a long time firefighter. I had friends killed or injured on 9/11. Did I misunderstand what you are stating?"

i do not think fdny had anything to do
with the controlled demolition of wtc 7

u r all hereos

Well that is perhaps a SMALL victory for those of us in the fire service. (She's still a CT woo however....)

[gumboot]

Aren't you British? The guys who exported "American Idol" (don't recall what the British version was called) to us, complete w/ the boorish British talent judge? Hmmm, I guess he isn't also a loudmouth, just a boor. Maybe you're right.


American Idol is your own invention. :) However it was inspired by "Popstars" which I am ashamed to say was created first by a New Zealander. In fact I've met him, and he's a complete and utter prat.

Personally I think that British "talent judge" (he's actually a music producer) is the only entertaining or worthwhile thing about those silly shows, and apparantly that's quite a common view to have. :p

-Gumboot

[Alareth]

The British are responsible for American Idol?

Damn you limey bastards. :mad:

[WildCat]

Christine writes:
Just watched the Live Leak BBC footage of WTC 7 collapse. WOW. Why don’t U.S. citizens wake up and see? What can any of us do? I feel helpless against this…
(Rosie's response)
wow is right
bbc = the amazing kreskin

So apprently Rosie thinks the BBC is in on it too.

[WildCat]

Personally I think that British "talent judge" (he's actually a music producer) is the only entertaining or worthwhile thing about those silly shows, and apparantly that's quite a common view to have. :p

-Gumboot
I only watch the auditions, and only for the really bad singers who think they're great. I don't know why I find that amusing, but I do... :boxedin:

[ZouPrime]

Are you referring to Peter Power of Visor Consultants. His "correction" seems just as much of a scramble as Silverstein's.
How would his (or Silverstein's) correction "look like" if it wouldn't look like a scramble? How would a non-suspicious correction look like to you?

The Visor Consultant story is one of a security company trying to capitalize on a real incident, and having to pay for it when all the conspiracy theorists began to use them in their narative.

[WildCat]

Rosie has responded to a question I asked only minutes ago on her blog, I am Jerry:

Jerry writes:
Rosie, your response to Grant was disingenuous. If you believe that WTC 7 was a demolition, the firefighters must be involved. Many firefighters reported on the condition of WTC 7, are they lying?
i believe no firefighters were involved
in anything other than saving lives



Still weaseling out I see.

[Pardalis]

Housewifes for 9/11 Truth?

[brodski]

Aren't you British? The guys who exported "American Idol" (don't recall what the British version was called) to us, complete w/ the boorish British talent judge? Hmmm, I guess he isn't also a loudmouth, just a boor. Maybe you're right.

Damn you, I had a point until you brought out Simon Cowell!
Still I refuse to apologies for Pop Idol and its clones until the Dutch apologise for Big Brother.

[Falcon Apoda]

Note in particular that it's a link to the Fetzer Scholars, and not to the old site where people get the choice to go to the Jones' Scholars for Truth and Justice.

On that note, and shamelessly trolling for a response, I submitted the following question to "ask ro":

Do you know that there are fewer than "six degrees" separation between "911 Scholars" and Holocaust Denial? Now a recent blog entry implicates Larry Silverstein (a Jew) in the attacks. What gives?

[firecoins]

They have always implicated Silverstein cause he was the lease holder asnd a Jew. He must have done it! Combine him with the 5 dancing Israeli spies and the 4,000 Jews didn't show up to work and it an open and shut case.

As a Jew i was never warned. I had been there at 2am on 9/11.

[LibraryLady]

I just went to look at O'Donnell's blog, and the comments feature for that entry is turned off. I wonder why......:eusa_wall:

[uk_dave]

As a Jew i was never warned. I had been there at 2am on 9/11.

Planting the explosives, eh?:boxedin:

[ref]

American Idol is your own invention. :) However it was inspired by "Popstars" which I am ashamed to say was created first by a New Zealander. In fact I've met him, and he's a complete and utter prat.


Actually, American Idol originates from the British Pop Idol, created by Simon Fuller. Cowell was a judge in that show and later went to American Idol. Pop Idol in turn is inspired by some talent shows and Popstars :) Why do we need to know that, I don't know.

[WildCat]

I just went to look at O'Donnell's blog, and the comments feature for that entry is turned off. I wonder why......:eusa_wall:
You have to use the "ask ro" feature. Go ahead, she responded (albeit not to my satisfaction) to my question. It limits the length of your question though, I would have loved to put a bunch of firefighter quotes in there or point out that Silverstein was talking to the FDNY in his infamous quote.

[Josh Redstone]

I used to have a little (little) bit of respect for Rosie, until my roomate showed me that blog entry of hers. I honestly thought the woman was smarter than that...disabling comments on her blog, ha! Typical troother tactic. I'd love to see some NYFD members on The View to expose her troother nonsense.

[HeyLeroy]

P'doh doesn't like us "JREF trolls harassing Rosie O'Donnel (http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/index.php?showtopic=1662)(sic)".

Is it because she has a platform? Scared people will be woken up?

I love this quote from Gravy:

Actually, I am going to contact Ms. O'Donnell to see if she'd be willing to sit down for an hour or two to discuss these things.

Yeah she will be really convinced by a Tour Guide. She probably will view Gravy as another deranged stalker, bet she gets loads of offers to meet lonely single men.

http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif

[apathoid]

Rosie has responded to a question I asked only minutes ago on her blog, I am Jerry:

Jerry writes:
Rosie, your response to Grant was disingenuous. If you believe that WTC 7 was a demolition, the firefighters must be involved. Many firefighters reported on the condition of WTC 7, are they lying?
i believe no firefighters were involved
in anything other than saving lives



Still weaseling out I see.

I don't think she's smart enough to realize that its hopeless to try to push the "innocent, yet guilty" FDNY WTC7 theory. I'm sending a link to this thread, hopefully it'll sink in..

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75954

[Pardalis]

I think that's what over-activism does to you. Once you let your emotions guide your intellect, you get into a mindset that sets you to accept all theories and factoids, even the most ridiculous ones as long as they go along with your world view.

I'm not saying I'm against activism, when you feel something is wrong you should go out and try to change things, I think that's commendable, but one has to remain rational and objective, and stick with the evidence.

I think O'donnell has gone from activist to radical activist.

[T.A.M.]

P'doh doesn't like us "JREF trolls harassing Rosie O'Donnel (http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/index.php?showtopic=1662)(sic)".

Do you expect any better from P "The weasel" Doh?

TAM

[J. Arthur Hastur]

I demand a soft-focus lens!

Actually, I am going to contact Ms. O'Donnell to see if she'd be willing to sit down for an hour or two to discuss these things.

[Gratuitous fat joke]She will, but only if there is a buffet![/Gratuitous fat joke]

Thank you, I'll be here all week.

Honestly, why can't people accept that jumbo jets crashing into a building, are one of the things that make a building fall, and then even assert that people sworn to save lives just looked the other way for some Illuminati conspiracy?

[roger]

This seems like a perfect opportunity to get somebody like John Stewart involved. No, Rosie won't go on John Stewart, but why not somebody like Gravy, pointing out the ignorance of her position. John isn't likely to go against a relative nobody but Dylan (too few laugh opportunities), but Rosie? Seems like a home run for him.

[Big Les]

Actually, American Idol originates from the British Pop Idol, created by Simon Fuller. Cowell was a judge in that show and later went to American Idol. Pop Idol in turn is inspired by some talent shows and Popstars :) Why do we need to know that, I don't know.

And the American Idol co-creator(?)/producer and presenter are both Brits.

[Falcon Apoda]

She also has a link to the scholars for troof on her page.

And now a link to WTC 7 (.net).

[Gravy]

Yeah she will be really convinced by a Tour Guide. She probably will view Gravy as another deranged stalker, bet she gets loads of offers to meet lonely single men.Mr. Doherty, call your fact checking department back from lunch. Rosie O'Donnell is a lesbian.

[boloboffin]

Aw, Gravy, come on, that was a D'ohpy joke.

She's getting her info on WTC 7 from a software engineer, why not listen to a tour guide?

I've done the "ask ro" thing - asked her to include wtc.nist.gov in her research. We'll see if she responds.

[The Silver Shadow]

As a Jew i was never warned. I had been there at 2am on 9/11.
As a progressive Muslim, I, and a group of other students were sent about 4 hours North of Toronto for what was a "leadership camp" on the sunday before the attacks.

CONSPIRACY!!!!!

[pomeroo]

Rosie responds, and asks a good question:

Ronald writes:
Why do you insist on making a complete fool of yourself by buying into the 911 conspiracy liars’ pernicious nonsense? You choose to remain abysmally ignorant of the subject. See 911myths.com
i have seen all the sites ron
y does it scare u so much

[T.A.M.]

What is scary is how gullable and easily convinced people like Rosie are, to the lies and deceit of the truth movement. She lets her hatred for the NEOCONS blind her from any form of logic or rational discussion or thought.

TAM:)

[Earl The Tall]

Rosie responds, and asks a good question:

Ronald writes:
Why do you insist on making a complete fool of yourself by buying into the 911 conspiracy liars’ pernicious nonsense? You choose to remain abysmally ignorant of the subject. See 911myths.com
i have seen all the sites ron
y does it scare u so much


Ok I am sorry doesn't it really take that much effort to type the word 'WHY' and 'YOU' It is three letters.

Sorry this has always been something that has borthered me.

[T.A.M.]

Ok I am sorry doesn't it really take that much effort to type the word 'WHY' and 'YOU' It is three letters.

Sorry this has always been something that has borthered me.

I agree. I can tolerate it if I know I am talking to a teen, but any grown adult worth while discussing important issues, should try to stick to proper full spelling of words, IMO (lol).

TAM:)

[Redtail]

I agree. I can tolerate it if I know I am talking to a teen, but any grown adult worth while discussing important issues, should try to stick to proper full spelling of words, IMO (lol).

TAM:)

Don't ever teach college then. If I get one more term paper with your (You're) b (be) wi (with) I'm getting the kid kicked out of school for general jackassery.

[T.A.M.]

Luckily my line of work involves face to face verbal interviewing. My patients don't submit their histories to me in paper or cyber form...thank goodness. Even when I was teaching med students and interns, it was a "show them how to do it" type of teaching.

TAM:)

[Brainache]

Rosie responds, and asks a good question:

Ronald writes:
Why do you insist on making a complete fool of yourself by buying into the 911 conspiracy liars’ pernicious nonsense? You choose to remain abysmally ignorant of the subject. See 911myths.com
i have seen all the sites ron
y does it scare u so much

I find it scary that someone with such a prominent public profile can spread such blatant nonsense without bothering to check any facts.

I find it scary that people listen to anything this obnoxious boor says.

I find it scary that I agree with her about Donald Trump.

Well I guess the jury is still out on all this 9/11 conspiracy stuff. Until I hear what Roseanne says, I don't know what to believe.

But what really scares me is that Bob Geldoff invented "Survivor".

[skeptigirl]

I kind of feel bad for Leftists (which I am not) because once high profile activists like her adopt such ridiculous ideas, this tend to discredit their entire efforts.

It certainly doesn't really encourage me to listen to them, since I know it eventually leads to such insane extremes.
Like the right has so much credibility. :rolleyes:

I tried to comment but it says comments closed under the 3-15 blog entry (http://www.rosie.com/). Where are you guys posting the stuff to her? (Haven't read all three pages here yet.)

[Redtail]

I find it scary that I agree with her about Donald Trump.



I find it scary that Donald Trump is on WWE and has a mullet.

[T.A.M.]

I find it scary that Donald Trump is on WWE and has a mullet.

I dunno, seems to me he fits right in on WWE.

TAM:)

[Earl The Tall]

I find it scary that Donald Trump is on WWE and has a mullet.

What a mullet in wrestling!? CONSPIRACY!!!!

[Brainache]

I find it scary that Donald Trump is on WWE and has a mullet.

I know who Donald Trump is and I know what a mullet is, but what's WWE? Is it some kind of medication which affects hairstyle? Are people on WWE not supposed to have mullets because it's dangerous? Does WWE make people with mullets aggressive and prone to random acts of destruction? If so, you are right to be scared.

ETA: I see it has something to do with professional wrestling. Oh that's alright then, it's the amateurs I'm worried about.

[WildCat]

I tried to comment but it says comments closed under the 3-15 blog entry (http://www.rosie.com/). Where are you guys posting the stuff to her? (Haven't read all three pages here yet.)
In the "ask ro" box on the left side of the page.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

(Asked whois.godaddy.com:43 about rosie.com)
Registrant: Yoshiro Rao P.O. Box 50002 Arlington Virginia 22205 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://samspade.org/whois?query=GoDaddy.com;server=auto) Inc. http://www.godaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com/) Domain Name: ROSIE.COM (http://samspade.org/whois?query=ROSIE.COM;server=auto) Created on: 28-Sep-98 Expires on: 27-Sep-07 Last Updated on: 28-Aug-06 Administrative Contact: Rao Yoshiro godaddy@echoditto.com (godaddy@echoditto.com)
P.O. Box 50002 Arlington Virginia 22205 United States 2024495644 Fax -- Technical Contact: Rao Yoshiro godaddy@echoditto.com (godaddy@echoditto.com)
P.O. Box 50002 Arlington Virginia 22205 United States 2024495644 Fax -- Domain servers in listed order: NS1.BLUEGECKO.NET (http://samspade.org/whois?query=NS1.BLUEGECKO.NET;server=auto) NS2.BLUEGECKO.NET (http://samspade.org/whois?query=NS2.BLUEGECKO.NET;server=auto) Whois Server Version 2.0 Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net (http://www.internic.net/) for detailed information. Domain Name: ROSIE.COM (http://samspade.org/whois?query=ROSIE.COM;server=auto) Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE INC. Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com (http://samspade.org/whois?query=whois.godaddy.com;server=auto) Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com (http://registrar.godaddy.com/) Name Server: NS1.BLUEGECKO.NET (http://samspade.org/whois?query=NS1.BLUEGECKO.NET;server=auto) Name Server: NS2.BLUEGECKO.NET (http://samspade.org/whois?query=NS2.BLUEGECKO.NET;server=auto) Status: clientDeleteProhibited Status: clientRenewProhibited Status: clientTransferProhibited Status: clientUpdateProhibited Updated Date: 08-oct-2006 Creation Date: 29-sep-1998 Expiration Date: 28-sep-2007 >>> Last update of whois database: Mon 19 Mar 2007 21: 04: 07 UTC <<< Rosie’s New Blog
Whenever I come across a celebrity blog nowadays I figure it's probably fake. So looking at the new blog of Rosie O'Donnell (http://onceadored.blogspot.com/), I thought it had to be a phony. Especially given how bizarre it is. It's almost entirely written in non-rhyming verse. A lot of it I can't even understand. But Defamer (http://www.defamer.com/) points out that it's linked to from the homepage of Rosie's official site (http://www.rosie.com/), which is pretty good evidence that it's real. http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/2591/ http://www.google.com/search?q=rosie+odonnell+official+website&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIC All that said, I'me not seeing anything that is definitive that O'Donnell is the one answering, is sanctioning the answers, or is aware of what is being published there. *shrug*

[Pardalis]

Like the right has so much credibility. :rolleyes:


Yes, but that's a given. ;)

[HeyLeroy]

I know who Donald Trump is and I know what a mullet is, but what's WWE? Is it some kind of medication which affects hairstyle? Are people on WWE not supposed to have mullets because it's dangerous? Does WWE make people with mullets aggressive and prone to random acts of destruction? If so, you are right to be scared.

ETA: I see it has something to do with professional wrestling. Oh that's alright then, it's the amateurs I'm worried about.

SOMETHING to do with wrestling? Dude, it's the key to the whole conspiracy:

http://liveu-69.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/10/10/946639/1172569L.jpg
See the shirt?

http://liveu-70.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/10/10/946639/1172570L.JPG
Here's the championship belt!
OMG ITS SPELED RIHGT OUT!!!!!111!!

[rwguinn]

Like the right has so much credibility. :rolleyes:

I tried to comment but it says comments closed under the 3-15 blog entry (http://www.rosie.com/). Where are you guys posting the stuff to her? (Haven't read all three pages here yet.)
I'll have you no I have lots of credibility!
Visa and Mastercard send me 2, 3 of 'em a month!:D

When you go off the deep end, does it really matter which side of the pool you stand on? That applies to the gene pool as well, I would think:D

[Babbylonian]

I'll have you no I have lots of credibility!
Visa and Mastercard send me 2, 3 of 'em a month!:D

When you go off the deep end, does it really matter which side of the pool you stand on? That applies to the gene pool as well, I would think:D
Bingo. Let's not frame this as left versus right or liberal versus conservative, as it's about neither. It's about smart versus dumb or, if we decide to be a bit more charitable, informed versus ignorant...sane versus delusional works, too, but that's probably not considered too nice either.

[CHF]

The dilemma for the troofers is that there is no way they can claim that WTC 7 was a controlled demo and not implicate the FDNY. Rosie is now finding that out and is trying to backtrack, but she's stepped in it and can't get it off her shoe.

Exactly. Twoofers think WTC7 is their "smoking gun" when in fact it simply creates a massive problem.

Given that the FDNY knew WTC7 would come down and that Silverstein was talking to the FDNY when he made his "pull it" remark, there is no way a demolition didn't involve the FDNY in the execution and/or coverup.

[hellaeon]

Rosie responds, and asks a good question:

Ronald writes:
Why do you insist on making a complete fool of yourself by buying into the 911 conspiracy liars’ pernicious nonsense? You choose to remain abysmally ignorant of the subject. See 911myths.com
i have seen all the sites ron
y does it scare u so much


uuuhhhh *shudder* this kind of 12 year old girl hihihi spelling irks me sooo friggin much!!!!

I might write on her blog

Awww widdle rosey wosey h8 teh gubmint! U so cute!

Friggin grow up.....uhhhhh!!!!!!

[pagan]

There's Something About Rosie

I wonder what that might be? She seems to scare the hell out of you boys. To judge from this thread and others.

You seem more afraid of her then Steven Jones, David Ray Griffith, Kevin Ryan etc

[CHF]

I wonder what that might be? She seems to scare the hell out of you boys. To judge from this thread and others.

You seem more afraid of her then Steven Jones, David Ray Griffith, Kevin Ryan etc

In other words, not at all.

Hey Pagan - how about you try your luck at explaining how WTC7 was demolished without the FDNY's participation.

Show Rosie how it's done.

[Alt+F4]

I wonder what that might be? She seems to scare the hell out of you boys. To judge from this thread and others.

You seem more afraid of her then Steven Jones, David Ray Griffith, Kevin Ryan etc

I started this thread and I'm a woman, but you're right Pagan, Rosie's craziness makes it seem like Judy Wood should get the mental health award of the year.

[Pipirr]

I agree. I can tolerate it if I know I am talking to a teen, but any grown adult worth while discussing important issues, should try to stick to proper full spelling of words, IMO (lol).

TAM:)

Maybe she's moblogging, from a cell phone or a Blackberry.

But there's no proof of that.

And it's still no excuse for not writing whole words.

[Alt+F4]

And it's still no excuse for not writing whole words.

Her lack of grammer and punctuation is an indication of how little respect she has for the people she is communicating with.

ur
you're
you are

Which spelling do you take most seriously?

[Babbylonian]

Her lack of grammer and punctuation is an indication of how little respect she has for the people she is communicating with.

ur
you're
you are

Which spelling do you take most seriously?
"Yu arrrrrr" - I take very seriously a Chinese pirate addressing another by first name. (sorry!) :D

[T.A.M.]

I wonder what that might be? She seems to scare the hell out of you boys. To judge from this thread and others.

You seem more afraid of her then Steven Jones, David Ray Griffith, Kevin Ryan etc

She is scary because she (A) Has a large gullible audience, (B) Is so full of hatred for the NEOCONS, that she has thrown all common sense and logic out the window.

The other people you mention are, and will likely always be, obscure unknowns.

Hopefully Barbara will take her, shake the shaite out of her, and tell her to get real, get over her hatred, and see the REAL TRUTH.

TAM:)

[Brainache]

I'd like to hear Ellen DeGeneris's take on all this. Or what about Ricki Lake? Sally Jesse Raphael? Oprah? Let's hear from the real heavyweights of the US political arena...

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around the idea that Rosie types like a 14-year-old girl texting from a cell phone...

Edit: Wow. Didn't realize the topic of her writing style had come up so recently.

[T.A.M.]

I'd like to hear Ellen DeGeneris's take on all this. Or what about Ricki Lake? Sally Jesse Raphael? Oprah? Let's hear from the real heavyweights of the US political arena...

I know you jest, but you cannot deny the seriousness of someone with a relatively large fan base spueing this nonsense on nationwide daytime TV. I agree she is no political heavyweight, but she is a listening audience heavyweight. She needs someone to help her get past her hatred for the Right, and to use the logical side of her brain.

TAM:)

[firecoins]

why do we need the opinions of lesbian comedians who were never funny to begin with and got a talk show for it?

[Redtail]

why do we need the opinions of lesbian comedians who were never funny to begin with and got a talk show for it?

Because the Lesbian Comedians have some lesbian fans who are really hot and if we can quote... Oooo sorry wrong forum.

[Brainache]

I know you jest, but you cannot deny the seriousness of someone with a relatively large fan base spueing this nonsense on nationwide daytime TV. I agree she is no political heavyweight, but she is a listening audience heavyweight. She needs someone to help her get past her hatred for the Right, and to use the logical side of her brain.

TAM:)

Well I agree with you TAM. It is a shame that these people have so much influence, but that influence is real. I recall Oprah got into trouble with cattle farmers when she told people to stop eating steak.

I was joking, but it seems fat lesbian TV talk show hosts have way too much power in America. It's time that power was back where it belongs, with mega rich Australian newspaper moguls!

[pomeroo]

I wonder what that might be? She seems to scare the hell out of you boys. To judge from this thread and others.

You seem more afraid of her then Steven Jones, David Ray Griffith, Kevin Ryan etc



Jones, Griffin, and Ryan are widely understood to be fringe crackpots whose appeal is restricted to fantasists such as yourself.

Rosie is an icon of daytime TV. Her words reach millions of viewers.

[pomeroo]

why do we need the opinions of lesbian comedians who were never funny to begin with and got a talk show for it?



If Rosie's politics tilted to the right, nobody would have ever heard of her.

[Mercutio]

If Rosie's politics tilted to the right, nobody would have ever heard of her.

Um... on a skeptics' forum, such a conjecture should probably be preceded by an "IMHO" or some such.

Not saying you are wrong--just saying that it is counterfactual thinking and you cannot possibly know. No one can. There is, and can be, no evidence to base such a statement on, given that her politics don't come with a control group.

[The Demon's Head]

Jones, Griffin, and Ryan are widely understood to be fringe crackpots whose appeal is restricted to fantasists such as yourself.

Rosie is an icon of daytime TV. Her words reach millions of viewers.

Just maybe if part of da twoof movement didn't have thoeries such as no-planes and CD, maybe da twoof could actually make some progress. I doubt it though.

As for Rosie, her stupid, thoughtless and insensitive remarks won't make her anything other than a bumbling idiot.

[Babbylonian]

Just maybe if part of da twoof movement didn't have thoeries such as no-planes and CD, maybe da twoof could actually make some progress. I doubt it though.
The thing is, without those theories, the "Truth Movement" wouldn't even have false evidence ("molten steel," misquoted/mistaken eyewitness statements, misinterpreted FDR data, etc.) to point to in order to demonstrate that 9/11 was abetted, planned and/or executed by the government or the mythical "New World Order." They wouldn't even have a chance to get the support of most of the gullible Bush-haters that they do.

[DavidJames]

If Rosie's politics tilted to the right, nobody would have ever heard of her.
If she was on the right she would be a female Rush Limbaugh. There seems to be an insatiable appetite for crazy right wing talking heads.

[pomeroo]

If she was on the right she would be a female Rush Limbaugh. There seems to be an insatiable appetite for crazy right wing talking heads.



No, the analogy fails. I don't listen to Limbaugh, but he has built up a following by providing entertainment and vigorous conservative polemics. I'm not suggesting that he is infallible--far from it--but, unlike Limbaugh, Rosie is quite stupid, and that's not a political assessment.

[pomeroo]

Um... on a skeptics' forum, such a conjecture should probably be preceded by an "IMHO" or some such.

Not saying you are wrong--just saying that it is counterfactual thinking and you cannot possibly know. No one can. There is, and can be, no evidence to base such a statement on, given that her politics don't come with a control group.


Your point is reasonable, but it remains a fact that the ideological slant of the major networks' daytime talk shows is relentlessly and unanimously liberal.

[T.A.M.]

No, the analogy fails. I don't listen to Limbaugh, but he has built up a following by providing entertainment and vigorous conservative polemics. I'm not suggesting that he is infallible--far from it--but, unlike Limbaugh, Rosie is quite stupid, and that's not a political assessment.

SO more like a Bill O'Reilly? Sorry, couldn't resist.

TAM:)

[The Demon's Head]

The thing is, without those theories, the "Truth Movement" wouldn't even have false evidence ("molten steel," misquoted/mistaken eyewitness statements, misinterpreted FDR data, etc.) to point to in order to demonstrate that 9/11 was abetted, planned and/or executed by the government or the mythical "New World Order." They wouldn't even have a chance to get the support of most of the gullible Bush-haters that they do.

So, da troof movement is constantly lying. Da troof movement slanders. Da troof movement is anything but the truth. I'm baffled by how long these theories have had a fan base.

[Babbylonian]

So, da troof movement is constantly lying. Da troof movement slanders. Da troof movement is anything but the truth. I'm baffled by how long these theories have had a fan base.
You no more so than I and most of the folks here.

[ref]

Now they are planning a demonstration outside ABC studios supporting Rosie.

http://www.wearechange.org/2007/03/demonstration-of-support-for-rosie_19.html

"NY911Truth and CHANGE will be outside ABC's the Views Studios this Wednesday to support Rosie O'Donnell courageous and brave actions standing up for 9-11 truth. Rosie O'Donnell has been Ignored by most of the 9-11 truth movement and Ignored by the mass media. We as citizens of New York say enough is enough and were going to show Rosie support for Standing up for the truth. We're going to be outside ABC studios with our '9-11 was an inside' banner and 'Thank You Rosie' Sign, anyone is welcome to come."

[WildCat]

Now they are planning a demonstration outside ABC studios supporting Rosie.

http://www.wearechange.org/2007/03/demonstration-of-support-for-rosie_19.html

"NY911Truth and CHANGE will be outside ABC's the Views Studios this Wednesday to support Rosie O'Donnell courageous and brave actions standing up for 9-11 truth. Rosie O'Donnell has been Ignored by most of the 9-11 truth movement and Ignored by the mass media. We as citizens of New York say enough is enough and were going to show Rosie support for Standing up for the truth. We're going to be outside ABC studios with our '9-11 was an inside' banner and 'Thank You Rosie' Sign, anyone is welcome to come."
This is great news! Troofers don't realize that publicity is not their friend.

[Overman]

It gets worse folks...

She has started answering questions...in omnious 3 to 5 word answers nonetheless!!!

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/170307Rosie.htm

UGH.....but...

This may be a great oppurtunity for scientific method to show in the public eye? Is Rosie the type of woman that would listen to reason, facts, and real truth? Could we get some sort of coaching session for her? I don't watch tv so I wouldn't know...

[rwguinn]

If she was on the right she would be a female Rush Limbaugh. There seems to be an insatiable appetite for crazy right wing talking heads.
Fixed that for you

[negativ]

Again with fire brought down the buildings. Again with pull it. I'm beginning to believe that Idiocracy is a documentary

For all the Truthers who think we're living in The Matrix, one would expect the word to seem more like The Siege, but instead it seems to most closely resemble Idiocracy

Brought to you by Carl's Junior

[CptColumbo]

Now they are planning a demonstration outside ABC studios supporting Rosie.

http://www.wearechange.org/2007/03/demonstration-of-support-for-rosie_19.html

"NY911Truth and CHANGE will be outside ABC's the Views Studios this Wednesday to support Rosie O'Donnell courageous and brave actions standing up for 9-11 truth. Rosie O'Donnell has been Ignored by most of the 9-11 truth movement and Ignored by the mass media. We as citizens of New York say enough is enough and were going to show Rosie support for Standing up for the truth. We're going to be outside ABC studios with our '9-11 was an inside' banner and 'Thank You Rosie' Sign, anyone is welcome to come."

"Rosie O'Donnell has been [sic] Ignored by the mass media."

Did they miss when she mouthed off to "the Donald," or offended the Asian community? If Rosie gets fired it will probably be for the negative publicity and attention grabbing she does (she is competing with some divas and one Uber-Diva who controls the show).

IMO if Barbara Walters was ever a journalist she would ask Rosie some pointed questions, she used to do it with Stossel. She used to be a pretty good interviewer, but went the way of Larry King, and started asking softball questions. Being very schmatzy rather than in-depth.

[azazal]

Hey call me crazy, but I like the idea of Rosie bringing the trooth movement out into the mainstream. Uncover the rocks they hide under and let the burning light of truth purge them. Now what would be really fun is for Rosie to get a complete and comprehensive debunking by Tom Sellek. Have her on screen while Sellek does a point by point voice over reading of Gravy’s LC debunking.

[negativ]

P.S. What's with that American philosophy that the most effective debate tactic is to talk over the top of your opponant as loudly as you can and repeat the same thing over and over?

Let me know if you ever find out. It's really embarrassing.

Though its far from perfect, at least NPR's content is civilized.:o

[boloboffin]

Sigh. I just looked through the latest batch and my question wasn't used.

And Rosie slammed The Secret as a huge marketing scam! Sometimes you win, sometimes you woo...

[orphia nay]

she only updates it on fridays I think. There is no link to her blog on this thread so i will add it here

http://www.rosie.com/blog/sections/ask-ro

I notice she links to Julia Sweeney's site, who spoke at TAM5 in January. If we can get those 6 degrees of separation working for us...

I really would like to see a Gravy vs. Rosie debate on The View

... that might happen.

Hey call me crazy, but I like the idea of Rosie bringing the trooth movement out into the mainstream. Uncover the rocks they hide under and let the burning light of truth purge them. Now what would be really fun is for Rosie to get a complete and comprehensive debunking by Tom Sellek. Have her on screen while Sellek does a point by point voice over reading of Gravy’s LC debunking.

Or we could get Robert de Niro... Gravy's big (little) brother, AND Gravy. :D JOKE!! I am unaware of 6 degrees linking Gravy and de Niro. But we could get the South Park guys, maybe? Or Penn Jillette??? OK, I've just had a beer, and am a bit happy at the moment. But something like that would be pretty good.

[Mercutio]

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/gm/2007/gm070317.gif

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Comedy gold.

[ref]

Rosie expands to false flag operations. Gulf of Tonkin in her blog:

"The Gulf of Tonkin Incident began with an “imaginary” attack by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats on the Maddox, a U.S. destroyer, in the Gulf of Tonkin on 2 August 1964. Two days later, that vessel and another U.S. destroyer in the area both reported themselves under renewed attack, although North Vietnam subsequently insisted that it hadn’t attacked — and no attack is now believed to have occurred on the 4th of August.

Within hours, Johnson ordered retaliatory air strikes on the bases of the North Vietnamese boats and announced, in a television address to the American public the same evening, that U.S. naval forces had been attacked. In a message he sent to Congress the following day, the President affirmed that “the North Vietnamese regime had conducted further deliberate attacks against U.S. naval vessels operating in international waters."

Johnson requested approval of a resolution “expressing the unity and determination of the United States in supporting freedom and in protecting peace in southeast Asia”. He said that the resolution should express support “for all necessary action to protect our Armed Forces” — but repeated previous assurances that “the United States… seeks no wider war”. As the nation entered the final three months of political campaigning for the 1964 elections (in which Johnson was standing for election), the president contended that the resolution would help “hostile nations… understand” that the United States was unified in its determination “to continue to protect its national interests."


http://www.rosie.com/blog/2007/03/26/the-gulf-of-tonkin/

[Crungy]

Anyone else think that Rosie's entry into 911 nuttery is just a false flag operation in order to get into Dr. Wood's trousers?

[Brainache]

Now now Crungy there is no need to put that kind of image into my head. That is just wrong. Rosie has no need of Wood.

[CurtC]

And Rosie slammed The Secret as a huge marketing scam! Sometimes you win, sometimes you woo...
I have mixed emotions about that. Slamming The Secret is a worthy thing to do, but if I had not seen that DVD I'd consider Rosie's slamming of it to be equivalent to an endorsement from a sane person. And her criticism is off the mark as well - it's not a marketing scam, it's a brilliantly marketed piece of crap.

[Alt+F4]

Rosie expands to false flag operations. Gulf of Tonkin in her blog

Add the blog to what she said on The View and you'll see she's trying to compare The Gulf of Tonkin Incident with the 15 British sailors and marines currently being held captive in Iran.

On the show she screamed, "Google Gulf of Tonkin!"

I "Asked Ro" a question: "Hi Rosie. Why would I need to Google The Gulf of Tonkin? I went to high school, didn't you?"

[T.A.M.]

the further she goes, the deeper a hole she digs. If she doesnt soon shut up, her career, what is left of it, will be in the toilet forever...

TAM:)

[Darth Rotor]

I have mixed emotions about that. Slamming The Secret is a worthy thing to do, but if I had not seen that DVD I'd consider Rosie's slamming of it to be equivalent to an endorsement from a sane person. And her criticism is off the mark as well - it's not a marketing scam, it's a brilliantly marketed piece of crap.
As is Rosie.

DR

[sleahead]

Rosie's blog entry is a copy and paste from this wiki page,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Resolution

although Rosie has amended the first sentence to include "imaginary". Curiously,"imaginary" appears in the Google hit for this page, but not in the article itself. The first Gulf of Tonkin incident (2nd August 1964), which Rosie labels imaginary, was a genuine attack by the North Vietnamese, as far as I'm aware.

[WildCat]

Rosie on The View a few minutes ago repeated her claim that WTC 7 was a CD, and says they're going to call a physicist from Harvard or Yale to ask about it. Also claimed there was melted steel... :rolleyes:

That she wouldn't call the engineering dept. of any respected university exposes her ignorance on the matter.

eta: the blonde host (don't recall her name) asked her flat out if she thought the gov't was behind 9/11, Rosie denied that but then brought up WTC 7.

[Mr. Skinny]

Rosie on The View a few minutes ago repeated her claim that WTC 7 was a CD, and says they're going to call a physicist from Harvard or Yale to ask about it. Also claimed there was melted steel... :rolleyes:

That she wouldn't call the engineering dept. of any respected university exposes her ignorance on the matter.

eta: the blonde host (don't recall her name) asked her flat out if she thought the gov't was behind 9/11, Rosie denied that but then brought up WTC 7.
I just saw the segment, Wildcat.

IIRC, Rosie said (in reference to WTC7) "It was the first time in history fire has melted steel" :rolleyes: , and that that implied a use of explosives.

Also think she said (re. Harvard / Yale) "We're going to get an expert in Physics from Harvard or Yale to explain it" (WTC7 collapse).

Although I think she acting ignorantly (fire can't melt steel?), I applaud her for stepping up to the plate and stating that The View will actually consult Harvard or Yale for expertise. Hopefully the selected Uni will send along a structural engineer, a fire protection engineer, a metallurgist, etc.

Bring out the popcorn!

[Pardalis]

Look at what we've sunk to, watching "The View"... :p

[WildCat]

Look at what we've sunk to, watching "The View"... :p
I know, I feel dirty... :boxedin:

[Disbelief]

Look at what we've sunk to, watching "The View"... :p

Whether you like her or not, I guess Rosie is earning her salary.

[Mr. Skinny]

Look at what we've sunk to, watching "The View"... :p
Hey! I took the day off work, and I specifically turned on The View to see if Rosie would mention 9/11.

Wildcat and Mr. Skinny sacrificed for the rest of the forum, and you criticize us!!!!!

The gall you have. :D

[anticonspiracy911]

I vaguely remember in the aftermath of the attacks Rosie O'Donnel being disgusted with whoever did this, and now she's onto this? What a loon. I never liked Rosie anyways so this adds more incentive I guess. What's really comical about this whole 9/11 conspiracy movement is that they make arguments from popularity or authority which are logical fallacies.

Argument from authority.
E.g., President Richard Nixon should be re-elected because he has a secret plan to end the war in Southeast Asia - but because it was secret, there was no way for the electorate to evaluate it on its merits; the argument amounted to trusting him because he was President; a mistake, as it turned out.

Type: Appeal to Misleading Authority (http://www.fallacyfiles.org/authorit.html)
Form:

Celebrity C endorses Brand X (or Candidate Y, or Cause Z).
Therefore, Brand X (or Candidate Y, or Cause Z) is good.


Type: Appeal to Popularity
Form:
Idea I is popular.
Therefore, I is correct.


The truth movements core is based around three logical fallacies.

[Mr. Skinny]

Whether you like her or not, I guess Rosie is earning her salary.
We'll see.

Among other things, she said something like "You have to look outside this country to find out what's going on inside this country" "The media in the US is controlled by four large corporations, including this one".

I don't necessarily disagree with her, but it won't earn her any brownie points with ABC, that's for sure.

[anticonspiracy911]

We'll see.

Among other things, she said something like "You have to look outside this country to find out what's going on inside this country" "The media in the US is controlled by four large corporations, including this one".

That statement will certainly earn her points with ABC.

I don't necessarily disagree with her, but it won't earn her any brownie points with ABC, that's for sure.

I wonder what's taking ABC so long to pull the plug?

[Pardalis]

I think she's following the footsteps of her idol Tom Cruise...

[Mr. Skinny]

I wonder what's taking ABC so long to pull the plug?
Easy. For the time being at least, Rosie is drawing more viewers to The View.

When she stops making them money, they will dump her.

[anticonspiracy911]

Easy. For the time being at least, Rosie is drawing more viewers to The View.

When she stops making them money, they will dump her.

They'd sacrifice their reputation as a network for the sake of a few extra viewers? This is not primetime TV we're talking about. We're talking about daytime TV.

[WildCat]

Among other things, she said something like "You have to look outside this country to find out what's going on inside this country" "The media in the US is controlled by four large corporations, including this one".
Let a CT talk long enough and they debunk themselves. :p

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I vaguely remember in the aftermath of the attacks Rosie O'Donnel being disgusted with whoever did this, and now she's onto this? What a loon. I never liked Rosie anyways so this adds more incentive I guess. What's really comical about this whole 9/11 conspiracy movement is that they make arguments from popularity or authority which are logical fallacies.




The truth movements core is based around three logical fallacies.
Oooh, I didn't have that site in my massive list of logic and fallacy websites. Mwuhahahaha!

[Mr. Skinny]

They'd sacrifice their reputation as a network for the sake of a few extra viewers? This is not primetime TV we're talking about. We're talking about daytime TV.
We'll, no, I don't think that.

I'm simply saying that unless and until her statements actually do threaten their profits/viewership/reputation, they will let her stay and express her opinion.

And it may be daytime TV, but the show is apparently a money-maker for ABC. The show is in it's, what, fifth year?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

IIRC, Rosie said (in reference to WTC7) "It was the first time in history fire has melted steel" :rolleyes: , and that that implied a use of explosives.
Oh! Oh! Can we nominate Rosie for a Stundie Award?

[Mr. Skinny]

Oh! Oh! Can we nominate Rosie for a Stundie Award?
Only if you:

1. Get an exact quote. (mine is from memory)

2. Credit me with bring it to your attention.

Thank you.

[~enigma~]

We'll see.

Among other things, she said something like "You have to look outside this country to find out what's going on inside this country" "The media in the US is controlled by four large corporations, including this one".

I don't necessarily disagree with her, but it won't earn her any brownie points with ABC, that's for sure.
Regardless of her personal viewpoint and independant of her bringing in more viewers, fact is you do not bite the hand that feeds you or it is too easy for ABC to replace her with someone that will not bite their hand. Rosie has marked herself.

[Mr. Skinny]

Regardless of her personal viewpoint and independant of her bringing in more viewers, fact is you do not bite the hand that feeds you or it is too easy for ABC to replace her with someone that will not bite their hand. Rosie has marked herself.
If they fire her there will be cries from the "truth" crowd that she is being silenced for her views. In this case they will probably be right, though I must say it won't be the only reason. Her feud with Donald Trump, her un-PC "ching chong" imitation of the Chinese, etc. will be other "nails in her coffin" IMHO.

So, essentially, I agree, enigma.

However, Rosie apparently has not pushed enough of their buttons to get fired yet, so I still think they will keep her until the bad outweighs the good.

[beachnut]

Don't ask why I am not chopping up the trees in the yard and planting the new apple trees; Rosie on the View today, said you need to get your news from outside the country because the US news is dominated by the big four including her host company.

Today she also said WTC7 was CD. She was using standard CT junk challenging everyone if it was true what would they do. They all said the need experts to come on from Yale or Harvard.

I do not see how anyone could do well against nut case fantasy arguments. You just do not know what is going to come out of their mouths. It would take a lot of prep to be able to talk to any possible idiot rant on 9/11. Gravy, may be the only person ready to debate truthers.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Are some of you seriously watching The View now? I'm a little disturbed at this apparent power of ignorance to attract more viewers...

[beachnut]

Are some of you seriously watching The View now? I'm a little disturbed at this apparent power of ignorance to attract more viewers...
I could only hear it, the TV is out and the projector is not bright enough for the day time. I can not remember what they were selling to make money, the ignorance of the show made me black out.

The ignorance of the show, across the board on all topic, was cruel and unusual punishment. I called up the FBI and the NSA and confessed to all major crimes for the past 10 years.

[A W Smith]

no need to watch the view. Anytime she spews ignorance it appears on the news or youtube for all to see.

[FactCheck]

How does one e-mail rosie?

[boloboffin]

Popular Mechanics Responds to Rosie (http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/4213805.html)

[Alt+F4]

How does one e-mail rosie?
You can't directly. On her website she has a feature called "ask ro". You can ask her a brief question and if she likes it, she'll respond on her website.

Here's the last one I sent her:

Hello Ms. O'Donnell. I am a producer for al jazeera and we would like to produce a programme on you and your belief that "terrorists are people too". You can contact us at: www.terroristsarepeopletoo.com (http://www.terroristsarepeopletoo.com). Please do not mention your homosexuality as it is extremely offensive to the majority of our veiwership. Thank you.

I wonder why she doesn't answer any of MY questions!!!!!

[Pardalis]

Popular Mechanics Responds to Rosie (http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/4213805.html)

After further studies, the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) told PM that debris from the 110-floor North Tower hit WTC7 with the force of a volcanic eruption.

Oh no! :eye-poppi

[boloboffin]

Shh! I have bets running on how quickly troofers notice things like that!

[T.A.M.]

Oh no! :eye-poppi

pyroclastic flow anyone?

TAM;)

[Pipirr]

Tower 7 housed the city’s emergency command center

That was unfortunate.

Was it being used as such before it got knocked out of action?

[Gravy]

That was unfortunate.

Was it being used as such before it got knocked out of action?It was activated very briefly, but then was evacuated due to fear of additional aircraft attacks.