Nother LCF psychotic

[~enigma~]

Jackchit apparently can't handle the pressure of being a truther for 2 years with no progress and elitism on LCF. He is saying Jrefers are closer to the truth than LCF is. Dylan should put that in LC:FC :)

[T.A.M.]

Sounds like another PDoh Stunt...Don't count on an actual conversion here.

TAM:)

[A W Smith]

Linkage?

[~enigma~]

Linkage?Direct link (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5717)

Proxy link (http://simplesurf.info/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL3oxMC5pbnZpc2lvbmZyZWUuY29tL0 xvb3NlX0NoYW5nZV9Gb3J1bS9pbmRleC5waHA%2Fc2hvd3RvcG ljPTU3MTc%3D)

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Direct link (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5717)

Proxy link (http://simplesurf.info/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL3oxMC5pbnZpc2lvbmZyZWUuY29tL0 xvb3NlX0NoYW5nZV9Gb3J1bS9pbmRleC5waHA%2Fc2hvd3RvcG ljPTU3MTc%3D)
The server their forum is on seems to be down at the moment...

[~enigma~]

The server their forum is on seems to be down at the moment...
[roxdog mode]It's so obvious...

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3747/lol20mosesoe3.jpg
[/roxdog mode]

[NickUK]

At least we keep our secret area a secret.

[~enigma~]

At least we keep our secret area a secret.I used to keep my mad money in a really secret place. Problem is i forgot where it is. Good thing it was only a two dollar bill :)

[jhunter1163]

I used to keep my mad money in a really secret place. Problem is i forgot where it is. Good thing it was only a two dollar bill :)

I did that once. Then, about six months later, I found it. The party was at my house that night. It was more than two bucks too.. :)

[~enigma~]

What are the odds that this is the beginning (or middle) of a scholars type split at LCF? Either it happens now or it will come when LC:FC comes out.

[T.A.M.]

Splits occur at LCF too often to count. This is just the latest "grievance".

TAM:)

[Cl1mh4224rd]

The server their forum is on seems to be down at the moment...
I see it's back up, and... lol...

[Redtail]

So he wants to bee in the secret forum where they discuss what's really going o... :jaw-dropp It's like the NWO. but with truthers! it's the TWO! Troofy World Order!

[Gravy]

He's joking, right? He doesn't know that we've have access to their "secret" room almost since it started, and that nothing interesting happens there?

I think he should take a poll to see if his account should be deleted.

[~enigma~]

So he wants to bee in the secret forum where they discuss what's really going o... :jaw-dropp It's like the NWO. but with truthers! it's the TWO! Troofy World Order!
So your saying the twof got the F out?

[Redtail]

So your saying the twof got the F out?:D

[Mobyseven]

It's just Jackchit making noise. He doesn't like being left out of the party.

Honestly, I hope to Ed he doesn't come over here. He's one of the most immature posters over there, and we do not need him here...

[The Silver Shadow]

Sounds like another PDoh Stunt...Don't count on an actual conversion here.
What are the odds that his password is "password" :D

[NickUK]

The eThugs wade in towards the bottom of the page.

I can't decide if it's tragic or hilairious.

[orphia nay]

At least we keep our secret area a secret.

Shhh!!!! :cool:

Oooh, you're going to have a sore bum at tonight's lodge meeting.

[stateofgrace]

Same thread, the resident comedian 28th.

Of course... me (an enlightened person with a high IQ) - if I had my own truther site... and couldn't get interviews... I'd go guerrilla by calling into shows like AJ... and asking questions similar to what I might ask if I had a chance to interview him on my own show... do that (call in) a couple times... and then edit the **** together... voila!

It's called, ingenuity... look into it



:dl:

[Oliver]

these forums are tracking and disinfo tools
the real ones to trust are people like
Killtown, Nico Haupt, Batmanchester, astorstraussenheim, me, and so many others that I haven't listed.....


That made me laugh. Especially because he named the most
paranoid people first. :D Well, what was it my Grandpa used
to say about strangers?

"Don't trust anonymous cowards behind IP's who still live
in their parents house and who believe in faces and numbers
in plumes and who tend to see conspiracies in every corner
of their lives".

And i guess he was right.
__________________________________________________ ____

By the way: Could someone send me the URL and Password
to their new, sooper-sekret-tomb - or the latest PDF's? :)

[JAStewart]

The internal conflict on that board is hilarious

other than that like I said before "28th Kingdom" YOU ARE ONE BIG LOOSER !

real men.

[The Doc]

The truth needs no secret area.

Secret areas are for cults.

ETA:
Lol, I just noticed how many exclamation marks our truther friends use. Hilarious.

[gumboot]

This is really quite entertaining. They truly are like little children. So sad. Apparantly they're going to free the human race from slavery.

"I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus". Everyone remembers that famous scene. The Troofers do too. They have it all backwards though. They've missed the point. They all actually think they are Spartacus.

And 28th Kingdom is a piece of work, isn't he?

-Gumboot

[GlennB]

A "jackchit" is posting in a thread at the UK forum
here (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7954)
where some of the UK mob are discussing the damaging effect of CT belief on their family lives.

It isn't at all amusing. I pity their kids.

[uk_dave]

I had the exact same problem with my wife, she was always going on about my 911 obsession, I tried to reason with her and to a certain degree she agreed there was something wrong with the official version of events,
She however was not able to comprehend the importance of being active in exposing the truth, it was a bone of contention as she claimed i gave her and the kids no attention which was not true then she left me when i told her that this issue was more important than her insecurities and I was fighting with others to ensure a better life and world for our children.
She took my kids away which broke my heart but luckily (i'm not being callous and would never repeat this to my children) she was killed in a road accident in August last year so i have my kids back and carry on unhindered.http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7954

Nice

Christ, jackchit, that's an awful tale with a [nervous sniggering] happy ending

[Mobyseven]

A "jackchit" is posting in a thread at the UK forum
here (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7954)
where some of the UK mob are discussing the damaging effect of CT belief on their family lives.

It isn't at all amusing. I pity their kids.

Jackchit is honestly the most cold-hearted and callous person I know. I didn't think he was that bad before reading that thread, but he is.

I feel sorry for his kids, for they will be raised believing that his views are the norm. They will become the next generation of true believers.

That man should be locked away from society and the internet.

[gumboot]

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7954

Nice


... :eye-poppi

Wow. I'm stunned. I mean, sure, I can accept that these nuts are stupid, or at best simply grossly ignorant.

But that story, if it's true... that's something else.

It's evil.

I mean that quite seriously. That is what evil actually is. It is the repugnant real face behind the word that is usually reserved for fantasy novels and guys who like living in volcanoes. Such callous disregard for human life - and not only human life but the life of a supposed "loved one" turns my blood cold.

I only hope his wife's family are clued up enough to get those children away from him before he infects them with his sickness.

-Gumboot

[stateofgrace]

I had the exact same problem with my wife, she was always going on about my 911 obsession, I tried to reason with her and to a certain degree she agreed there was something wrong with the official version of events,
She however was not able to comprehend the importance of being active in exposing the truth, it was a bone of contention as she claimed i gave her and the kids no attention which was not true then she left me when i told her that this issue was more important than her insecurities and I was fighting with others to ensure a better life and world for our children.
She took my kids away which broke my heart but luckily (i'm not being callous and would never repeat this to my children) she was killed in a road accident in August last year so i have my kids back and carry on unhindered.



I am lost for words, seriously.

[Oliver]

To be fair ... his follow up:

A happy ending? No, but an ending. I can now teach my kids right from wrong without their mother interfering.
yes I miss her very much and she will always have a massive place in my heart but i still view her "passing" as a moment when god took away the only hurdle to my spreading the word that the world we live in is just as manufactured as girls aloud.

[uk_dave]

There's no reason to be fair oliver.

Jackchit allowed his self proclaimed 'obsession' with the 911 fantasy to destroy his marriage, resulting in him losing his children.

He then considers it 'lucky' that his wife (someones daughter...perhaps someones sister) died in a car accident so that he can now have custody of their children and continue his 911 obsession 'unhindered'.

That guy deserves no fairness.

[Donal]

The mother of his children is violently and suddenly ripped from their lives and he sees it as a positive?

If he were truly dedicated to the movement and wanted the ebst for his kids, wouldn't he surrender custody so they can get the nurturing enviroment children need and he can continue his "work"?

I get the feeling that with his mentality, he won't have those kids for long. Unfortunatly, they will have to suffer greatly until anyone can step in.

[~enigma~]

Wait a second. That psycho actually said this...

I had the exact same problem with my wife, she was always going on about my 911 obsession, I tried to reason with her and to a certain degree she agreed there was something wrong with the official version of events,
She however was not able to comprehend the importance of being active in exposing the truth, it was a bone of contention as she claimed i gave her and the kids no attention which was not true then she left me when i told her that this issue was more important than her insecurities and I was fighting with others to ensure a better life and world for our children.
She took my kids away which broke my heart but luckily (i'm not being callous and would never repeat this to my children) she was killed in a road accident in August last year so i have my kids back and carry on unhindered.

Normally I don't believe in the death penalty but jackchit should have it, his children should be taken away since he tries to teach them his crap. Does anyone live near the idiot in Sheffield? Is there a child welfare office that can be contacted?

[Rawkarma]

From his repugnant words on nineeleven.co.uk (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7954) he believes God is removing obstacles (lives) from his path so he can carry on his crusade.

Psychotic folk like this could just as easily wake up one morning and believe a NWO is suddenly unstoppable. Their God has forsaken them, and proceed to kill their children. Through weakness they often fail to commit suicide but ultimately justify murdering their loved ones as an act of compassion, as they consider that a better end than to allow their kids to grow up in a godless world that is controled by nefarious individuals.

Somone needs to remove those kids ASAP.

[Comsat Angel]

I will call a contact in Social Services tomorrow and see what they say.
It may be something, it may be nothing, but - excuse me! - Rule8Rule8Rule - this guy needs to be stopped before his kids suffer the consequences of his lunacy.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I will call a contact in Social Services tomorrow and see what they say.
I was just about to ask if anyone knows where he lives and what his name is, so that Social Services could at least be contacted.

It may be something, it may be nothing, but - excuse me! - Rule8Rule8Rule - this guy needs to be stopped before his kids suffer the consequences of his lunacy.
How far is it from feeling lucky that God removed an obstacle to your crusade, and removing those obstacles yourself in frustration?

And his crusade seems to be indoctrination.

Maybe someone investigate his involvement in his wife's death. Afterall, he had a motive.

:eusa_sick:

[Brainster]

Note that nobody chides JC for his callous remark, but later somebody muses on why the movement doesn't attract more women:

Completely agree Pikey. We have one very lovely lady starting to attend our meetings, there are a few others. Catherine from Whitby - I dont think she posts here - is fantastically strong. Sandra U though decidedly quirky is good too. This is one of the roots of the problem. Why wont women come in more? Don't they give a toss for their offspring? Have the males commandeered the hardware, so they don't get a look in? If they do get a chance do they only go on ebay looking for bargains?

This is a major problem - is the whole fratboy phallic imagery presented in this game a natural turn off? I think we need a "recruitment drive" aimed specifically at women (with a feminine touch?)

Gee, I wonder if the fratboy image comes from a guy musing over the death of his ex-wife as "a moment when god took away the only hurdle to my spreading the word..."?

[T.A.M.]

These guys are truely psychotic, and mentally ill. No assumptions, no ands ifs or buts. These comments are psychopathic in nature, and these men should be evaluated by mental health services. At the very least, social services should pay him a visit, for the safety of his children. What next, they disagree with him, and become obstacles...

Truely, truely, sickening.

TAM:(

[8den]

I will call a contact in Social Services tomorrow and see what they say.
It may be something, it may be nothing, but - excuse me! - Rule8Rule8Rule - this guy needs to be stopped before his kids suffer the consequences of his lunacy.

Oh [rule8] me, the mark roberts gay spy myspace, the beckham websites, but this man has children, and is glad his ex wife is dead. Hey if someone can give me some contact details I'll add a social services complaint, and tack on a thread to go to a journalist mate or two in quality broadsheet. I've got a mate on the guardian's society suplement, who's sick of "we should have known" stories after children are failed by social services she'd kill to do a preventitive story.

[LashL]

I was just about to ask if anyone knows where he lives and what his name is, so that Social Services could at least be contacted.

He posted his name and location online himself, so (assuming that what he posted is true), it's fair game. And even if the name he posted is false, if the story about his wife's demise is true, it shouldn't be difficult for authorities to find out who he is.

[The Silver Shadow]

I don't want to be the party pooper, but do we have any tangible evidence that jackchit indeed meant this? Is this evident in his other posts or did he just bring this out of the blue (My legal knowledge is terrible)?

[Redtail]

Wow.

[boloboffin]

I'll be the party pooper.

Jackchit needs to swap an s for the c, but interference in this guy's life is just as callous. He gets to teach his kids what he wants! He gets to be happy about his wife's death if he wants! He didn't cause his wife's death, and people teach their kids stupid crap every day. We don't run around yanking kids out of homes because they're being taught that God created the world in six days, do we?

Get a grip.

[Brainster]

I agree with Boloboffin on this one; what JC said was disgusting, but hardly evidence that he's not to be trusted with his children.

[Redtail]

Yeah taking his kids is over the top. Hell if you could take someone's kids becuase they dais something stupid over the net 60-75% of kids would be in state custody. What he said was f'd but it's no reason to get his kids taken. (IF what he said was true that is.)

[LashL]

I agree with Boloboffin on this one; what JC said was disgusting, but hardly evidence that he's not to be trusted with his children.

I agree. However, what he said about his wife's death on that forum, in conjunction with his apparent mental instability as exhibited on LCF and elsewhere, is certainly a sufficient basis upon which to have professionals look into whether or not he is to be trusted with his children.

[PhantomWolf]

Did it ever occur to any of you that they are putting together a master list of evidence that does not contradict anyone else's that does not need tampering with unless by committee?

Something tells me they have a Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way to go still.

[Redtail]

Something tells me they have a Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way to go still.

:D No tampering with evidence unless it's by committee.

[negativ]

Wow. I'm stunned. I mean, sure, I can accept that these nuts are stupid, or at best simply grossly ignorant.


i'll let you go and buy a NEW MOTORBIKE TODAY if you stop this was her parting words this morning(now i dont know what to do!) see the problem i have is three kids a dog,rabbit and the goldfish they just dont listen anymore, and i cant shake this 9/11 lie out of my head
people need to know the truth,but question is will i make that happen?
help

You know it's all over when even the goldfish won't listen to you anymore.

And yeah ... the bit about "God removing his obstacles" is entirely too creepy.

[Rawkarma]

I'll be the party pooper.

Jackchit needs to swap an s for the c, but interference in this guy's life is just as callous. He gets to teach his kids what he wants! He gets to be happy about his wife's death if he wants! He didn't cause his wife's death, and people teach their kids stupid crap every day. We don't run around yanking kids out of homes because they're being taught that God created the world in six days, do we?

Get a grip.

So, you believe this:

but interference in this guy's life is just as callous.is equally as callous as this?

she was killed in a road accident in August last year so i have my kids back and carry on unhindered.

and this?

but i still view her "passing" as a moment when god took away the only hurdle to my spreading the word that the world we live in is just as manufactured as girls aloud.

You are confusing the want by others expressed in this thread to help, with wantonness; there is no maliciously intent on the part of the sentiments expressed here.

Fact is many people are disgusted and wish (if this is all true), they could do something tangible to help in removing those kids from a negative and destructive environment into a positive one -- that's how I feel. I also see no callousness in that. JC, on the other hand, believes his main goal is not the well-being of his kids, but his life should be devoted to conspiracy theories.

You are also negating the fact that if this is a man that is consumed in a world of imaginary conspiracies, then he is likely to be unemployed, or have a poor and broken work record; using some form of substance abuse and in general poor health.

My OP:

From his repugnant words on nineeleven.co.uk (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7954) he believes God is removing obstacles (lives) from his path so he can carry on his crusade.

Catch this: "from his repugnant words", means that what im saying is that if this is indeed JC, his words and true, then he is clearly unstable and unfit to be a parent.

You'll also notice from JC's words that his wife removed the children and herself from this man as he is clearly obsessed with conspiracies and deems that more important in life. He openly admits that he believes this is his priority in life. He lives in a fantasy world. She was right, as after her untimely demise, he views the death of the mother of his children as: "her "passing" as a moment when god took away the only hurdle to my spreading the word".

For me, when you have kids, they should be your priority and the most important concern; 9/11 or any alleged conspiracy does not trump your kids for balanced individuals.

In a just world, which we clearly don't live in, noone that puts that chit before his kids deserve, let alone should, have custody of them.

They [his kids] deserve far better.

[Gravy]

I'm just shocked that someone who started two websites for the sole purpose of calling me a fag faggy fag boy (I'm straight, btw), is an adult. I would have bet a lot of money that he was no older than mid-teens.

[ref]

I'm just shocked that someone who started two websites for the sole purpose of calling me a fag faggy fag boy (I'm straight, btw), is an adult. I would have bet a lot of money that he was no older than mid-teens.

If I never saw Fetzer, I would say he was a teen as well. And isn't Quest in his fifties or something? Manteens.

[Gravy]

A happy ending? No, but an ending. I can now teach my kids right from wrong without their mother interfering.

yes I miss her very much and she will always have a massive place in my heart but i still view her "passing" as a moment when god took away the only hurdle to my spreading the word that the world we live in is just as manufactured as girls aloud.

How deeply disturbing. He needs good medical care.

ETA: on second thought, since he does live in a fantasy world, I'm disinclined to believe anything he says.

[scissorhands]

Another DJ.
I have mentioned this before but there seems to be a strange correlation between that profession and belief in 9/11 conspiracy theories and the NWO.
:confused:
Is it drug abuse?
God help his children, he is clearly way too far gone to ever realize that his paranoiac symptoms need some medical help.

[Gravy]

If I never saw Fetzer, I would say he was a teen as well. And isn't Quest in his fifties or something? Manteens.It would be interesting to give transcripts of the ramblings of several prominent truthers to people who had never heard of them, and have them guess the authors' ages.

[boloboffin]

Rawkarma, it is none of your business what jackchit teaches his children. Yes, they deserve better than to be force-fed 9/11 woo, but knowing that their mother didn't want to have anything to do with it, they may yet purge it back up. To be honest, I don't even see any evidence of a malicious intent on his part - after all, he does believe that tripe is true, doesn't he?

You don't know his life. You do not know his life. Yeah, he could be a sadistic SOB who's torturing his kids right now, but he could also just be a guy with a jones for 9/11 truth who's busy nursing a couple of sick kids through the measles.

We must be able to combat irrationality without demonizing people who think differently than us.

[Brainache]

I've got to say I agree with Boloboffin here. The kids have already lost one parent, I don't think having social services come and take them away from their dad just because he is a bit nutso about 9/11 would be a good idea.

I don't know how old the kids are, but they might actually help Mr Chit realise how stupid he is being. He might wake up one day to the fact that getting his kids through school etc and having them grow up well adjusted and happy is just a little bit more important than calling Gravy a poofter.

If social services were to come and decide to remove his kids, that would be one more arrow in his quiver of grievances at the the mean old world.

If Mr Chit is neglecting his kids or abusing them, then I hope he can be stopped. I haven't seen any proof of this, so I won't sit in judgement of him.

[The Doc]

Things like "I can't shake the 9/11 issue out of my head" etc. just further my belief that 9/11 denial is a mental illness.

[stateofgrace]

I agree with boloboffin, as appalling as this post maybe and it is thoroughly appalling it is clear, if true, that this individual has enough problems.

There is always the off chance that it all just a pack of lies, set up to shock or provoke a reaction. Taking this possibly aside for the moment if what he says is true then it is almost certain that people around him, including his own family and his deceased wife’s family are well aware of what is going on.

My opinion and it is only my opinion, is this matter should be left to those closely involved and not made worse by external intervention by unknown people. Any intervention that is needed will be forth coming if needed and if this situation is for real.

Either way it is a hell of a thing to post on an internet forum and equally so it is to be hoped that whatever help or assistance that this guy may need comes sooner rather than later

[Rawkarma]

Rawkarma, it is none of your business what jackchit teaches his children.

He made that post (if it was JC) on a public forum, and thus I am not prying into his business.

Yes, they deserve better than to be force-fed 9/11 woo, but knowing that their mother didn't want to have anything to do with it, they may yet purge it back up.

The question of whether or not he is teaching his kids 9/11 woo is not what I was commenting on; I was commenting on his belief that God killed his wife so he can continue living in la la land. This, if true, is extremely irrational behavior.

To be honest, I don't even see any evidence of a malicious intent on his part - after all, he does believe that tripe is true, doesn't he?

I was refering again to his belief that God removed his wife from not only his life, but from his kids lives so he can spread the word to the world unhindered. I was also saying that the posts made by people here, voicing their concerns and that his kids would be better off with someone that is not extremely unbalanced, is not callous and had no malicious intent.

You don't know his life. You do not know his life. Yeah, he could be a sadistic SOB who's torturing his kids right now, but he could also just be a guy with a jones for 9/11 truth who's busy nursing a couple of sick kids through the measles.

And nor do you know his life, but again, I made my comments in reply to his on a public forum. I know as much as you do, and yet you seem to be giving JC alil too much credit in regard to his character in light of what, if true, he said.

We must be able to combat irrationality without demonizing people who think differently than us.

I was just merely commenting on what he said. So, you think that my comments about him saying God is killing people for him so he can "continue unhindered" is thinking just alil differently and that if commented on, by me, I am somehow demonizing him?

[gumboot]

Speaking purely hypothetically, from the assumed position that his posts re: his wife/kids etc... are serious... as TAM rightly pointed out, they demonstrate very clear symptoms of psychotic tendancies. Coupled with his other posts, this supports at least a suspicion of severe and potentially dangerous mental illness. In this purely hypothetical scenario it is not only acceptable for government officials to "pry into his personal life" it is their duty and obligation to do so.

Now...

Is there any actual evidence that these posts are serious? No, not really. Is it at all likely that the entire thing is actually a load of BS? Yes, given the track record of this group, it's very likely.

Thus does this warrant any actual action? I don't think so.

Hence why I began my previous post with the disclaimer "if this is true". If it is, he's a psychopath, his children are in danger, they need to be taken off him. I figure about a 10% chance of it being true.

-Gumboot

[gumboot]

Something worth considering...

In his account he says his wife left him and took the kids. To me that suggests she was awarded custody, which at least leaves the suggestion that court doesn't consider him fit to look after them.

Frankly, given how paranoid and dillusional CTers are, I'm amazed they haven't accused him of knocking off his wife himself.

-Gumboot

[Lurker]

I'll be the party pooper.

Jackchit needs to swap an s for the c, but interference in this guy's life is just as callous. He gets to teach his kids what he wants! He gets to be happy about his wife's death if he wants! He didn't cause his wife's death, and people teach their kids stupid crap every day. We don't run around yanking kids out of homes because they're being taught that God created the world in six days, do we?

Get a grip.

Agreed and you expressed what I was thinking as I read the thread. JC is not someone I would want teaching anything to my kids but it is not considred abusive to teach beliefs, even if they are a bit off the wall. Do we start taking away all the kids of moon-landings skeptics, Kennedy conspiracists...?

Lurker

[Lurker]

You are also negating the fact that if this is a man that is consumed in a world of imaginary conspiracies, then he is likely to be unemployed, or have a poor and broken work record; using some form of substance abuse and in general poor health.
What fact? All you have presented here are IF statements. That is a pretty broad brush you wield there.

For me, when you have kids, they should be your priority and the most important concern; 9/11 or any alleged conspiracy does not trump your kids for balanced individuals.
Your opinion is noted but even if he is consumed by 911 you assume the kids suffer. I wonder if they are taken away and put in foster care if their lives would actually be better or worse. I have no knowledge of their situation but you seem to automatically assume it is terrible. On what evidence do you make that assumption other than an IF statement of your own imagination?


In a just world, which we clearly don't live in, noone that puts that chit before his kids deserve, let alone should, have custody of them.

Really? Now I agree that the 911 conspiracy is just plain bonkers. But from his point of view it is a cause worth fighting for. We send kids off to fight wars all the time in order to preserve that which we feel is right and just. Jackchit is behaving just like the rest of us in that regard.

ETA: I should actually change the analogy to say that fathers go off to war themseves all the time in order to fight for things they believe in which shortchanges the attention their kids can receive.

They [his kids] deserve far better.

Agreed, but that is because we deem his 911 struggle without merit.

Lurker

[Mobyseven]

Speaking purely hypothetically, from the assumed position that his posts re: his wife/kids etc... are serious... as TAM rightly pointed out, they demonstrate very clear symptoms of psychotic tendancies. Coupled with his other posts, this supports at least a suspicion of severe and potentially dangerous mental illness. In this purely hypothetical scenario it is not only acceptable for government officials to "pry into his personal life" it is their duty and obligation to do so.

Now...

Is there any actual evidence that these posts are serious? No, not really. Is it at all likely that the entire thing is actually a load of BS? Yes, given the track record of this group, it's very likely.

Thus does this warrant any actual action? I don't think so.

Hence why I began my previous post with the disclaimer "if this is true". If it is, he's a psychopath, his children are in danger, they need to be taken off him. I figure about a 10% chance of it being true.

-Gumboot

If the name he has given is in fact his real name, it will take two shakes of a lambs tail for the proper authorities to ascertain whether or not what he has posted is true (re having children and a dead ex-wife). If he lived in Victoria (Australia), I would have probably been able to find out whether it was true with the very limited access I had to secure details at my last job. NOTE: I wouldn't have done this, as it is a violation of personal privacy (at a basic social level) and government policy (at a legal level). My point is, for people whose job it is to investigate matters such as these, it would be very, very simple for them to figure out whether or not there was a matter for them to investigate further.

And so I chime in with my relevant two-cents. Contact the relevant authority (social services in England?) and give them the details. Give them his name, what he has posted, and the details or information about previous incidents (a mention of the MRGS site, and the Beckham case).

From there, they will make the call.

If they dismiss it - fine. They have more experience in sorting these types of issues into the important and the not that we do. (Unless someone here works in social services?)

If they investigate and find nothing is wrong - fine again. They are the experts, with more information on the case the we have - they make the call.

But if they investigate and find that there is indeed an issue - that the children may need to be taken away from him, and that he indeed requires psychiatric care...imagine if this is the outcome that would result and we don't bring it to the attention of the authorities. Those children, if they survive the ordeal, will have suffered massively from being in his care.

It is our duty to report this given the possible effects of not reporting it. The worst that can happen if we are wrong and report this is that he is found to be a suitable parent after an investigation. The worst that can happen if we are correct and don't report it is dead children and a suicide.

So please, someone - report this to the authorities, and then let them handle it from there. One or two followups may be needed (MAY be needed), but by doing this we are placing the decision in the hands of those who should be making it.

My two-cents.

[Rawkarma]

What fact? All you have presented here are IF statements. That is a pretty broad brush you wield there.

You misrepresented what I said and cherry picked that word. What I said was: "You are also negating the fact that if this is a man that is consumed in a world of imaginary conspiracies" and paranoia can often be the result of, or can be eased with some form of substance: alcoholism etc. You also missed the word "likely" and I think it is likely (again, just my own opinion) that a man that is obsessed with conspiracies to the point when it's the driving force in his life -- so much so that he believes God is removing lives from his path so he can continue his crusade unhindered -- he is not mentally healthy. Moreover, is it likely, in my opinion, that through living a destructive compulsive life, someone of this mental state will find it difficult to keep steady employment... if he has any. Again just my opinion.

Your opinion is noted but even if he is consumed by 911 you assume the kids suffer. I wonder if they are taken away and put in foster care if their lives would actually be better or worse. I have no knowledge of their situation but you seem to automatically assume it is terrible. On what evidence do you make that assumption other than an IF statement of your own imagination?

Again, you misunderstood completely what I said. I said that anyone that can beleive that God killed his ex wife to advance his conspiracy work (after she removed the children and herself from an environment with him no less) is extremely unbalanced and unfit to be a parent. He is saying, in so many words, that God wants him to find this truth, even willing to kill people that get in his way. Thats a hellofa delusion wouldn't you say?

Really? Now I agree that the 911 conspiracy is just plain bonkers. But from his point of view it is a cause worth fighting for. We send kids off to fight wars all the time in order to preserve that which we feel is right and just. Jackchit is behaving just like the rest of us in that regard.

Again, you misunderstood what I was saying. I said this: "From his repugnant words on nineeleven.co.uk (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7954) he believes God is removing obstacles (lives) from his path so he can carry on his crusade." Its not only a cause worth fighting for, from his words, it is a cause so monumental, that God is helping remove anything of a hindrance: like an ex wife.

ETA: I should actually change the analogy to say that fathers go off to war themseves all the time in order to fight for things they believe in which shortchanges the attention their kids can receive.

JC has not gone off to war; he is fighting this fight as you put it from his own home. So, your comment has no relevance whatsoever. He is not sacrificing himself, or putting himself in harms way. He is in his home, not on the front line and miles away from his children.

ETA: I should add that this is all IF. If this is true, then I think an individual like this provides an inappropriate environment for kids.

It could all be aload of BS. My OP was on the bases that what was said by JC was true.

[uk_dave]

IVXX:
(Terrorcell @ Mar 20 2007, 11:04 AM)
(IVXX @ Mar 20 2007, 03:24 PM)
(mynameis @ Mar 19 2007, 07:03 PM)
[QUOTE]
Originally Posted by Gravy Yesterday, 06:35 PM:

He's joking, right? He doesn't know that we've have access to their "secret" room almost since it started, and that nothing interesting happens there?

I think he should take a poll to see if his account should be deleted.

And here I thought Mark Roberts was a mature fellow. :lol:

He's right though, nothing happens in the secret room. I dont even have the password anymore, dont think I've looked in there in months....lol



You don't have the password cause the Read Room no longer exist lol!!

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5764&st=0&#last

The mind boggles. :rolleyes:

[Oliver]

From: Steve Sullivan sleepy_y2k_23@hotmail.com

Date: Mar 19, 2007 9:36 PM

Subject: Debbie Schlussel- Somebody should Beat you to death...S**thead bi*ch *ss cu*t

To: writedebbie@gmail.com

You are a pathetic piece of s**t, You derseve whatever you get.

I hope somebody beats you to death

Your the reason other people dont go public, u f***king neo-con prick

f*** you

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5809

:eye-poppi :eek: :covereyes

[Oliver]

I guess some guys over there realize that the
game is over and that's the reason for the latest
psyhological outburts... :boggled:

[Redtail]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5809

:eye-poppi :eek: :covereyes

It's stuff like that that cause me to give serious thought to "moles" in the truthers or that the one who post crap like this are trying to get tossed in jail, or a website shutdown so they can cry "policestate!" or "NWO!" Then I remember there are idiots everywhere.

[T.A.M.]

And on the other side of the coin that we have been discussing in other threads, the above quotes are some of the crap we see that makes us have so LITTLE TOLERANCE for the CT Wooists that come here.

TAM:)

[stateofgrace]

I like how other mature members deal with this.


GROW THE **** UP OR GET OUT!!!! THREATENING PEOPLE AND CUSSING THEM OUT IS A DISGRACE! YOU'VE NOW SUNK TO THEIR LEVEL! CONGRATS! BASTARD!

Mike



http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=5809

Well said Mike, maybe next time there is no need to shout,cuss or be so threatening.:rolleyes:

[boloboffin]

He made that post (if it was JC) on a public forum, and thus I am not prying into his business.

...And nor do you know his life, but again, I made my comments in reply to his on a public forum. I know as much as you do, and yet you seem to be giving JC alil too much credit in regard to his character in light of what, if true, he said.

I'm giving him the credit I would give anyone, and that I hope people would give me. And you are prying into his business by trying to get his children taken away from him based on what he's teaching them.

That is my take on the matter. If you had evidence of more abuse or if I had, it would be different.

[Rawkarma]

I'm giving him the credit I would give anyone, and that I hope people would give me.

Well, maybe before JC goes (and again, remember that this is all IF it's really JC and really true) writing that crap on a public forum for all to see, he should consider that it is not the best way to endear yourself.

And you are prying into his business by trying to get his children taken away from him based on what he's teaching them.He made that post of a public forum, and thus im in no praying into his business. I said that: "If this is true, then I think an individual like this provides an inappropriate environment for kids."

You disagree. So we will have to agree to differ on this.

However, show me where I said im gona take his kids away from him? It's rhetorical, as I didn't:

I said: "Somone needs to remove those kids ASAP." I did not say I am going to, nor have I enlisted the help of any 3rd party to get his kids removed. I said that if it is true, then yea, imo those kids need a new environment.

Those kids are better of with a father that lives in the real word and doesn't have his head filled with conspiracy nonsense and irrational belief that God is helping him on his quest for truth by killing people.

And to be honest, I think I've said enough on this.

I sincerely hope that JC was talking aload of BS. But if not, then my OP I stand by.

[Comsat Angel]

I have to apologise for not contacting anyone in Social Services about this yet (Silly Busy day), but what I will do tomorrow is print all this data off and send it to them. Their job is to decide whether to intervene or not based on certain criteria, i.e. (based on a case from last week): is the YP ("Young person") displaying signs of assault? Are they still living at the same address as the plaintiff? Are they still in regular contact with the plaintiff? Are they aged under 18?" Answer no to all the previous means no action. Answer yes to any might mean intervention. The touchstone in all these instances is the Victoria Climbie case, where no professionals bothered to exchange information with each other, to fatal restult. Now, we err on the side of caution. There might not be any problem at all, but if there is -

I also have to apologise for making this sound enormously melodramatic. It's probably nothing!

[NickUK]

That thread at Nineeleven.co.uk (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7954) is heartbreaking :(

[Redtail]

That thread at Nineeleven.co.uk (http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=7954) is heartbreaking :(

That it is. I'm stunned. I wonder how many of them have only their "friends" on the truther sites to talk to?

[gumboot]

Interesting question...

Have any Debunkers had their friendships or relationships hurt by being involved in 9/11 research?

I can categorically say no. I do this mainly when I'm home bored and not inspired to write.

My partner has seen a number of the videos and she came to a swift conclusion that they were a bunch of idiots. It's not something she's really interested in, and when she's around it's not something I'm really interested in either... ;) so no problem there.

9/11 Has only ever come up once amongst my group of friends, and after pointing out the errors in one particular point my friends accepted it and the matter has never been worth raising again.

Of course I think part of the motivator for 9/11 CTers is Iraq. We aren't in Iraq, and our country was thoroughly opposed to it, so it's less of an issue here. Our involvement in Afghanistan is very low-key in the media, and people seem relatively supportive of it.

So this debunking has never been an issue for me. Anyone else?

-Gumboot

[T.A.M.]

Almost all of my friends are in the Debunking camp or simply don't pay attention. I do have one friend who is a "truther" as I have stated before. He is a good guy, and his heart is in the right place. I just think he is misguided and gullible...but he might say the same of me.

TAM:)

[hellaeon]

If I never saw Fetzer, I would say he was a teen as well. And isn't Quest in his fifties or something? Manteens.

I dont know why but manteens is bloodie hilarious.

[hellaeon]

And on the other side of the coin that we have been discussing in other threads, the above quotes are some of the crap we see that makes us have so LITTLE TOLERANCE for the CT Wooists that come here.

TAM:)

Heh, crossed my mind as well.

[hellaeon]

Interesting question...

Have any Debunkers had their friendships or relationships hurt by being involved in 9/11 research?

I can categorically say no. I do this mainly when I'm home bored and not inspired to write.

My partner has seen a number of the videos and she came to a swift conclusion that they were a bunch of idiots. It's not something she's really interested in, and when she's around it's not something I'm really interested in either... ;) so no problem there.

9/11 Has only ever come up once amongst my group of friends, and after pointing out the errors in one particular point my friends accepted it and the matter has never been worth raising again.

Of course I think part of the motivator for 9/11 CTers is Iraq. We aren't in Iraq, and our country was thoroughly opposed to it, so it's less of an issue here. Our involvement in Afghanistan is very low-key in the media, and people seem relatively supportive of it.

So this debunking has never been an issue for me. Anyone else?

-Gumboot


My misses thinks I waste my time on such idiots. If I compare it to fighting religions she understands. Its far from any sort of issue though. We usually have an in depth conversation about the possible mental issues or reasons that seem to be behind such thinking.

However my friends find it hilarious. We constantly meet up and have a laugh over the latest joke email I send out, probably about 30-40% dumb outlandish 9/11 things out there. One of my mates has no idea how I can read up on the stuff and not punch the monitor in haha.

[NickUK]

My wife watched the BBC documentary with me because she was curious as to my Firefox bookmarks and asked me about them so I told her. She thought it was odd that I'd be interested in something like this - I think she just assumed I spent ALL my internet time playing World Of Warcraft :D - but she indulged me.

My wife's a staunch left winger (ie, votes socialist labour), cannot stand Bush or Blair and hates the war in Iraq. We've had some humdinging arguments about politics in the past.

Her take on 9/11 Truth was that it was all utter bo**ocks.

[The Silver Shadow]

Interesting question...

Have any Debunkers had their friendships or relationships hurt by being involved in 9/11 research?

I can categorically say no. I do this mainly when I'm home bored and not inspired to write.

My partner has seen a number of the videos and she came to a swift conclusion that they were a bunch of idiots. It's not something she's really interested in, and when she's around it's not something I'm really interested in either... ;) so no problem there.

9/11 Has only ever come up once amongst my group of friends, and after pointing out the errors in one particular point my friends accepted it and the matter has never been worth raising again.

Of course I think part of the motivator for 9/11 CTers is Iraq. We aren't in Iraq, and our country was thoroughly opposed to it, so it's less of an issue here. Our involvement in Afghanistan is very low-key in the media, and people seem relatively supportive of it.

So this debunking has never been an issue for me. Anyone else?

My friends originally thought I was a Twoofer, when I was watching LC on the internet, as well as SLC, then I reasoned with them and told them that you never get the full picture until you see both sides of the story. Other than that, I haven't had much trouble with my friends/family. My ex-girlfriend, who is still a very close friend of mine, asked me why I even bother.

I was also thinking, the behaviour of JC may be suited more for a teenager, trying to act like a grownup. When I was in high school and I needed info from people, people with some authority, I would e-mail them and add the title of Dr. to my name in order to get an answer more quickly. I had to do this for a few papers, since I wasn't able to get the article I needed for assignments or papers. When I sent an e-mail saying that I'm a high school student in need of this or that, I would hardly get any replies, but when I contacted them saying that I was a PhD candidate, or I was a doctor, or something like that, I would get a reply pretty quickly. I think JC is simply emulating that to make the twoof movement look good except instead of contacting authors of papers, he's trying to take a prophet-like form...

[Dave Rogers]

My wife is profoundly uninterested in anything 9/11 related. To the extent she believes anything at all it's that the USA deserves the president it chose. Nobody I know cares except one family member, who I haven't spoken to about 9/11 for over a year. The great thing about not being a truther, of course, is that we don't need to evangelise. I have no problem with most of the world not caring, because realistically there isn't anything they should be caring about. It's a lot like my view, as an atheist, of religion; it's mostly an irrelevance.

Dave

[chillzero]

I have to apologise for not contacting anyone in Social Services about this yet (Silly Busy day), but what I will do tomorrow is print all this data off and send it to them. Their job is to decide whether to intervene or not based on certain criteria, i.e. (based on a case from last week): is the YP ("Young person") displaying signs of assault? Are they still living at the same address as the plaintiff? Are they still in regular contact with the plaintiff? Are they aged under 18?" Answer no to all the previous means no action. Answer yes to any might mean intervention. The touchstone in all these instances is the Victoria Climbie case, where no professionals bothered to exchange information with each other, to fatal restult. Now, we err on the side of caution. There might not be any problem at all, but if there is -

I also have to apologise for making this sound enormously melodramatic. It's probably nothing!

But ... if it isn't nothing ... then we have to hope that unlike many of the other truthers, he doesn't read this forum.

[Mobyseven]

Interesting question...

Have any Debunkers had their friendships or relationships hurt by being involved in 9/11 research?

I can categorically say no. I do this mainly when I'm home bored and not inspired to write.

My partner has seen a number of the videos and she came to a swift conclusion that they were a bunch of idiots. It's not something she's really interested in, and when she's around it's not something I'm really interested in either... ;) so no problem there.

9/11 Has only ever come up once amongst my group of friends, and after pointing out the errors in one particular point my friends accepted it and the matter has never been worth raising again.

Of course I think part of the motivator for 9/11 CTers is Iraq. We aren't in Iraq, and our country was thoroughly opposed to it, so it's less of an issue here. Our involvement in Afghanistan is very low-key in the media, and people seem relatively supportive of it.

So this debunking has never been an issue for me. Anyone else?

-Gumboot

Not the 9/11 debunking stuff, no. In fact, this has given me a lot more to talk about than JUST 9/11...I have a sincere sense of awe whenever I see skyscrapers now, just to think what it takes to keep them standing. I live in Melbourne city too, so I'm pretty much awestruck 24/7. :p

However, skepticism of other topics has definately caused me to grow apart from some of my friends. We're currently discussing this in the General Skepticism and the Paranormal forum, the thread is something to do with 'A lonely existence.' Moochie started it, go check it out for some examples of how skepticism has affected people.

[Mobyseven]

But ... if it isn't nothing ... then we have to hope that unlike many of the other truthers, he doesn't read this forum.

He reads this forum with disturbing frequency.

[chillzero]

He reads this forum with disturbing frequency.

Well then, hopefully the concerns of posters here are unfounded.

[Mobyseven]

Well then, hopefully the concerns of posters here are unfounded.

Someone please notify authorities soon about this if they haven't already been notified. The sooner the responsibility is passed to those who should be making the decisions the better.

[tonicblue]

Someone please notify authorities soon about this if they haven't already been notified. The sooner the responsibility is passed to those who should be making the decisions the better.

This forum, more than any other, complains about conspiracy folks accusing the government without solid evidence. Yet, here you are, trying to send social services to someones house without any evidence.

It makes me feel physically sick sometimes. This needs reporting to moderators.

[JimBenArm]

This forum, more than any other, complains about conspiracy folks accusing the government without solid evidence. Yet, here you are, trying to send social services to someones house without any evidence.

It makes me feel physically sick sometimes. This needs reporting to moderators.
Did you do so?

[uk_dave]

This forum, more than any other, complains about conspiracy folks accusing the government without solid evidence. Yet, here you are, trying to send social services to someones house without any evidence.

It makes me feel physically sick sometimes. This needs reporting to moderators.


Really?

At least no one here is making unfounded claims that jackchit actually killed his wife. I mean, he obviously had a motive (PNAC) and could have allowed it to happen by not maintaining the car properly (LIHOP) or even tampered with the breaks (MIHOP) but he has admitted to have benefitted from her death (Silverstein) and he now has custody of the children (Iraq)......

But then we have no evidence to suggest Jackchit was responsible. And we're not CTers.

See the difference?

[orphia nay]

While it's not evidence of abuse, I believe the following is evidence of jackchit not putting his children first, and of disordered thinking.

A bit of background (http://www.beckhamcoverup.com/):

Wanting a cheap computer for my children to use I went to his house with the intention of buying one. I chose a machine from a few stacked in a corner paid him £70 and left.
When I got home I began to assemble the computer and made sure there was nothing contained on it my children shouldn't see, I noticed there were some files in the re-cycle bin one of them caught my eye because of the name "Beckham security" I restored the file and began to peruse the contents, you can imagine my amazement when I found details of the families security arrangements, maps of their houses, DNA profiles, travel arrangements, invoices, as well as a large number of e-mails and fax conversation between the security firms managing director and various people at "team Beckham" none of these documents were encrypted and at no stage did any of the documents have "confidential" or "private" on them. Let me be clear these documents contained explosive information so much so that if they were in the public domain would be very "troublesome" to a number of people, at this point for legal reasons I will not go into the details but this situation may change in the future.
Now knowing that this was a serious breach of security I contacted a national newspaper "the sun" we don't love it, and you will know why when you read on, a reporter "John Askill" called me back and told me he would call at my address the following morning and he did, after lengthy negotiations and many phone calls he agreed to purchase the story of the security breach for £20,000 on behalf of the sun. Please note the agreement was for the story...I did not sell the computer to them, the agreement was that none of the sensitive information would be re-produced or published this was a specific condition to which the sun agreed, John Askill in the subsequent Police Investigation is quoted as saying as much. click here to see the document in which he is quoted. To this day the sun have refused to pay the £20,000 despite John Askill signing a contract on behalf of the sun, I would advise anyone to avoid this publication if they find themselves in a similar situation, they crap on the very people they purport to represent I am now pursuing the payment through the courts.


At around 4.30 in the afternoon after Mr Askill had left (taking the computer with him) I was paid a visit by Hawkridge in an attempt to recover the computer it seems his company (chase security) had been tipped off by a friend of mine who thought the company would wish to get the computer back, I told Hawkridge that the computer had gone, to which he informed me the "heavies" were coming over from Manchester, and they would get it back by any means possible, he then left after making the comment "I wouldn't mind but I have not even made any money out of it".

He bought a computer for his children but let it be taken away that day. (Not putting his children first.)

To prevent the Beckham family's private security details entering the public domain, he contacted the Sun, a major tabloid newspaper. (Disordered thinking.)

[tonicblue]

While it's not evidence of abuse, I believe the following is evidence of jackchit not putting his children first, and of disordered thinking.

A bit of background (http://www.beckhamcoverup.com/):



He bought a computer for his children but let it be taken away that day. (Not putting his children first.)

To prevent the Beckham family's private security details entering the public domain, he contacted the Sun, a major tabloid newspaper. (Disordered thinking.)

He was putting his children first by checking to see if there was anything suspect that he wouldn't want them to see.

Are you seriously suggesting social services should investigate him because he tried to make some money selling a story to a paper?

[tonicblue]

You are also negating the fact that if this is a man that is consumed in a world of imaginary conspiracies, then he is likely to be unemployed, or have a poor and broken work record; using some form of substance abuse and in general poor health.

.


The above quote is simply mind blowing.

[Mobyseven]

This forum, more than any other, complains about conspiracy folks accusing the government without solid evidence. Yet, here you are, trying to send social services to someones house without any evidence.

It makes me feel physically sick sometimes. This needs reporting to moderators.

None of us here are in any position to either be able to investigate this, or have the right to investigate this. Social services has the means and the right.

Now, they might tell us that we are being overly sensitive. But I, among others here, am genuinely worried about this man's children.

If social services does investigate and does take this man's children away from him, that is not our fault, it is his own.

Go ahead and report me. I have not done anything wrong.

[tonicblue]

None of us here are in any position to either be able to investigate this, or have the right to investigate this. Social services has the means and the right.

Now, they might tell us that we are being overly sensitive. But I, among others here, am genuinely worried about this man's children.

If social services does investigate and does take this man's children away from him, that is not our fault, it is his own.

Go ahead and report me. I have not done anything wrong.

No, mobyseven, what you are genuinely worried about is using this mans kids as weapons against him in the 9/11 debunker vs. truther fight.

You are a despicable human being.

[Brainster]

Have any Debunkers had their friendships or relationships hurt by being involved in 9/11 research?

No. I know enough not to inflict it on people except when I think it might be interesting. Some of my friends are definitely impressed when I tell them I was on the BBC radio or the blog was mentioned in major magazines and newspapers. so it can be made interesting. But I don't get into any esoterica with friends because it's like talking about Green Lantern; unless your friend is into GL, you're boring them to tears. I learned that lesson in eighth grade.

[Mobyseven]

No, mobyseven, what you are genuinely worried about is using this mans kids as weapons against him in the 9/11 debunker vs. truther fight.

You are a despicable human being.

I honestly don't care what you think about me, though if you attack me personally again I will report you - which would be ironic considering.

If any debunker stated that they believed God killed their ex-wife who had custody of their children so that they would be able to better fight against the 9/11 truth movement and raise their kids as such, I would also be worried about that.

Now, have you reported me yet as you said you would?

Or will you concede that I have a point?

And has somebody contacted the authorities yet, so that we can stop debating this here and let the people who make the decisions, make the decision?

[orphia nay]

He was putting his children first by checking to see if there was anything suspect that he wouldn't want them to see.

Are you seriously suggesting social services should investigate him because he tried to make some money selling a story to a paper?

Your level of misunderstanding is so great it's probably pointless to respond to that but for the sake of your edification I will do so.

Yes, he 'was putting his children first by checking to see if there was anything suspect' on the computer. That's. Not. The. Point. He let the children's computer be taken away for no good reason.

Are you seriously suggesting social services should investigate him because he tried to make some money selling a story to a paper?[/

No. Don't try putting words in my mouth. Didn't you read the start of my post where I said "it's not evidence of abuse"?

It's not reason to start to investigate him, but if social services have other information they may find it useful. How do we know whether the children needed the computer for schoolwork or not? We don't. How do we know whether jackchit's computer is unsafe for them to use or not? We don't. As I said, social services may find it useful, or they may not. But the possibility that they might means that it is worth mentioning.

[tonicblue]

I honestly don't care what you think about me, though if you attack me personally again I will report you - which would be ironic considering.

If any debunker stated that they believed God killed their ex-wife who had custody of their children so that they would be able to better fight against the 9/11 truth movement and raise their kids as such, I would also be worried about that.

Now, have you reported me yet as you said you would?

Or will you concede that I have a point?

And has somebody contacted the authorities yet, so that we can stop debating this here and let the people who make the decisions, make the decision?

I am sure you have heard people say much worse on the internet, I know I have.

This is simply your revenge for the altercations you had with Jackchit. It is totally despicable. I hope you report me and draw moderator attention to this thread.

I have gone one better than reporting this thread. Now, if I were you, I would go back to flaming.

[Mobyseven]

I am sure you have heard people say much worse on the internet, I know I have.

This is simply your revenge for the altercations you had with Jackchit. It is totally despicable. I hope you report me and draw moderator attention to this thread.

I have gone one better than reporting this thread. Now, if I were you, I would go back to flaming.

This is in no way 'revenge', as you would put it. This is not about my interests, or Jackchit. It is about a third party - his children. Unless you are employed as a liason officer by social services, I'd say now is the time for you to weigh out of this conversation. It is not your decision to make. It is theirs.

Your accusations of flaming will get you nowhere, by the way. As I'm sure others here will attest to, I am one of the active members here least likely to insult for no good reason.

Now, how exactly does out go, "one better than reporting this thread," hmm?

[chillzero]

Well then, hopefully the concerns of posters here are unfounded.

Someone please notify authorities soon about this if they haven't already been notified. The sooner the responsibility is passed to those who should be making the decisions the better.

Can I just point out that I am not advocating action in this case.

I am not endeared to this jackchit character from what I have read here, but I don't know him, and I don't know if anything posted by / about him is true.

My point was that I feel a public forum like this is completely the wrong place for this kind of discussion. Worst case scenario - those calling for social services involvement are correct, and the first thing we in the UK know about it is front page tabloid fodder about some maniac driving his kids off a cliff to protect them from the evil government forces that were being sent against him in his campaign to protect the world from 911 shills - which he found out about right here.

The information I see here makes me uncomfortable, but it could be wrong, it could be out of proportion, and it could be that he made the comments about his wife in some weird attempt to project a certain image of himself to his peers (fearless and worthy fighter for justice).

No one has the full story here - perhaps not even Jackchit, who may have a warped view of his wife's reasons for taking his children away. I would suggest we stop personal speculation about this, and if anyone sees fit to contact authorities, then do so, privately. If not, then just drop it.

[Mobyseven]

I agree with Chillzero about stopping this discussion. I am, however, not a citizen of the UK. I implore someone here to put this in the hands of the authorities.

[gumboot]

How do we know he even has a wife or children?

Well... he doesn't have a wife anymore obviously... but you get my point.

-Gumboot

[~enigma~]

The above quote is simply mind blowing.
Question for you...are you jackchit?

[Calcas]

Mobeyseven, I shouldn't laugh at your avatar but I do. LOL is right.

Also, do you have a link to the quote of Lyte's in your sig? Funny stuff.

[Mobyseven]

I've been thinking of changing the avatar recently, not sure to what though. My LC ban badge may be a placeholder for a little bit...

As for the Lyte Trip quote, I don't have the link myself, but I believe that if you check out either the top truther quotes for 2006, or the January Stundies, you'll find the link. It wasn't a recent one.

Again, thinking of changing that quote too.

[Calcas]

I've been thinking of changing the avatar recently, not sure to what though. My LC ban badge may be a placeholder for a little bit...

As for the Lyte Trip quote, I don't have the link myself, but I believe that if you check out either the top truther quotes for 2006, or the January Stundies, you'll find the link. It wasn't a recent one.

Again, thinking of changing that quote too.

Yeah, change is good once in awhile. One of my favorites from Lyte was, "My see-saw analogy makes any need for calculations moot." This, of course, was accompanied by his drawing of a see-saw.

[Rawkarma]

I really think I have said enough on this, but seeing as you have quoted me Tonic, I will reply. Know that I have no issue in you disagreeing with me, in fact I welcome debate here. Just try and keep it civil.

Originally Posted by Rawkarma http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2441730#post2441730)
You are also negating the fact that if this is a man that is consumed in a world of imaginary conspiracies, then he is likely to be unemployed, or have a poor and broken work record; using some form of substance abuse and in general poor health.

The above quote is simply mind blowing.

Really? Interesting you should cherry pick that, out of all of what I and JC has allegedly said. Its just my opinion, and if you don't agree then that's fine. I think, even in light of how you seem very sensitive about it, calling that mind blowing is alil too fanciful. I may be wrong, and I have made no bones about it; however, it is my opinion that if someone spends most of their time in a world of nonexistent conspiracies, it will likely impact greatly on other facets of life. They may have a broken or poor work record. They are not spending much, if any time in reality. I did not say it is categorically so, I said imo is it likely.

Its also interesting to note that you don't find JC's comments (there is no more need to keep quoting him) mind blowing, you just jump in this thread and defend a fellow CTer, in spite of what he, allegedly said?

This is simply your revenge for the altercations you had with Jackchit. It is totally despicable. I hope you report me and draw moderator attention to this thread.

Wrong. As far as what I have said here, this is all in reply to what JC said on a public forum. If it's not JC, or it's BS, then I guess you can disregard all this. I have already stated that my OP was on the bases that what JC said was twoo. If it is then JC has some rather large issues, wouldn't you say?

On that note, and again, while I have no issues with you disagreeing with what I or anyone here has said, but where is your denunciation of what JC said, or do you agree with, if true, that which he said?

Also, before you reply with: "you're threatening to take his kids away blah blah" as one person in this thread has already made the mistake of doing, I have not, and have no intention of taking his kids away. I just believe JC, and to be honest anyone that is consumed with conspiracy nonsense to that degree, would not provide an environment for kids that I think is healthy.

I wouldn't want my kids brainwashed with that bs; the God killing his wife is a clear sign that, if true, JC is extremely unbalanced and irrational.

ETA: You are quoted as saying in this thread here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=77392&page=2):

Call me fussy, but I take what is said on internet forums with a large pinch of salt.

In light of your words in this thread, I find that kinda mind blowing.

[Mobyseven]

Rawkarma, I should probably point out that when tonicblue talks about 'altercations with Jackchit', he is talking to me.

I became one of the targets on Jackchit's MRGS site when it still existed.

[LashL]

Really?

At least no one here is making unfounded claims that jackchit actually killed his wife. I mean, he obviously had a motive (PNAC) and could have allowed it to happen by not maintaining the car properly (LIHOP) or even tampered with the breaks (MIHOP) but he has admitted to have benefitted from her death (Silverstein) and he now has custody of the children (Iraq)......

But then we have no evidence to suggest Jackchit was responsible. And we're not CTers.

See the difference?

Brilliant, that.

[tonicblue]

Rawkarma I just found it incredible that you connect people who are immersed in conspiracies with unemployment.

If you look at all the really hardcore theorists like Fetzer and A Jones and S Jones etc, they are all anything but unemployed or having a poor work history.

I agree that people who post constantly on internet forums are likely unemployed (eg killtown) but that isnt even necessarily true.