The Hillary Dukakis Photo

[corplinx]

Dukakis wearing a helmet in a tank. It was a photo that made Dukakis look silly or worse phony. Some people thought the John Kerry hamster photo would be just as bad, but it seemed to have little effect.

Years ago I saw the photo that would be the Hillary equivalent of the Dukakis photo. Unfortunately, I just can't find it on the web anymore. There was photo/video of the Clintons taken when they were "reconciling" on some island. The video showed her 12 sandwich eating butt in all 4 feet of its glory whereas normally its hidden by carefully chosen Lane Bryan clothers. She's dancing around with Bill and when it shows the back of her legs you have to wonder if they took severe hail damage.

This video/photo was shown years ago but many attempts by me to find it have turned up fruitless.

Find this video or photos and Obama takes the primaries. People will see the real non-attractive, non-classy Hilly and not take her seriously.

[Darth Rotor]

Dukakis wearing a helmet in a tank. It was a photo that made Dukakis look silly or worse phony. Some people thought the John Kerry hamster photo would be just as bad, but it seemed to have little effect.

Years ago I saw the photo that would be the Hillary equivalent of the Dukakis photo. Unfortunately, I just can't find it on the web anymore. There was photo/video if the Clintons taken when they were "reconciling" on some island. The video showed her 12 sandwich eating butt in all 4 feet of its glory whereas normally its hidden by carefully chosen Lane Bryan clothers. She's dancing around with Bill and when it shows the back of her legs you have to wonder if they took severe hail damage.

This video/photo was shown years ago but many attempts by me to find it have turned up fruitless.

Find this video or photos and Obama takes the primaries. People will see the real non-attractive, non-classy Hilly and not take her seriously.
She's a woman in her fifties who wasn't born with skinny genes, not a 20 year old SI swimsuit model.

Give her cellulite a break, already, she does not show up in the Senate in a one piece swimsuit, and she would not do so in the Oval Office. Her looks are not important. Her politics, platform, and integrity are.

She likes to think of the children, not scare them.

DR

[steverino]

She's a woman in her fifties who wasn't born with skinny genes, not a 20 year old SI swimsuit model.

Give her cellulite a break, already, she does not show up in the Senate in a one piece swimsuit, and she would not do so in the Oval Office. Her looks are not important. Her politics, platform, and integrity are.

She likes to think of the children, not scare them.

DR

So you wouldn't do her?

[corplinx]

She's a woman in her fifties who wasn't born with skinny genes, not a 20 year old SI swimsuit model.

Give her cellulite a break, already, she does not show up in the Senate in a one piece swimsuit, and she would not do so in the Oval Office. Her looks are not important. Her politics, platform, and integrity are.

She likes to think of the children, not scare them.

DR

Look, I know she's not and I am not a fan of anorexic models. Hillary has cultivated an image of a classy and moderately attractive woman. The photo makes her look like another beached whale on panama city beach. _this_ _is_ _how_ _joe_ _voter_ _will_ _view_ _it_ despite him thinking a few seconds later "well, shes older and had a kid".

Im not making fun of obese women, I am trying to give you the impression that the photo gives. I also wonder how it got scrubbed off the net over the years.

[IllegalArgument]

So, only women with pretty legs should be taken seriously?

Come on, Corplix. Fine you don't like her, but this is a dumb way to express it.

[bluess]

I vote we should get a back-end picture of Corplinx posted.

Yeesh.

[corplinx]

So, only women with pretty legs should be taken seriously?

Come on, Corplix. Fine you don't like her, but this is a dumb way to express it.

You have missed the point entirely because you chose to get hung up on how I framed how she looked.

[Darth Rotor]

So you wouldn't do her?
Not sure if there is enough beer in the world for that date, nor if she'd find me appealing, for all that I am a dashing and witty rascal. :cool:

DR

[Darth Rotor]

I vote we should get a back-end picture of Corplinx posted.

Yeesh.

What, and risk me having to poke out my own eyes?

You are a cruel one, blue. ;)

DR

[HarryKeogh]

Years ago I saw the photo that would be the Hillary equivalent of the Dukakis photo.

Since we haven't seen that photo splashed all over Drudge I think you're overestimating the power of that particular picture.

Unless you think Rove is holding back until November'08 to release the shocking picture of the American woman in her fifties with a big butt and cellulite.

[PrincessIneffabelle]

Are you saying is that if people who see her as attractive and classy are shown an unflattering picture of her they will not take her seriously? I take her seriously and I have yet to see an attractive picture of her.

[steverino]

Not sure if there is enough beer in the world for that date, nor if she'd find me appealing, for all that I am a dashing and witty rascal. :cool:

DR

My evil plan: First we get you dating that Seattle basketball player chick. Then, when Bill is off doing his thing, Hillary will find you irresistible. Could work. MWAH HA HA!

[CFLarsen]

Dukakis wearing a helmet in a tank. It was a photo that made Dukakis look silly or worse phony. Some people thought the John Kerry hamster photo would be just as bad, but it seemed to have little effect.

Years ago I saw the photo that would be the Hillary equivalent of the Dukakis photo. Unfortunately, I just can't find it on the web anymore. There was photo/video of the Clintons taken when they were "reconciling" on some island. The video showed her 12 sandwich eating butt in all 4 feet of its glory whereas normally its hidden by carefully chosen Lane Bryan clothers. She's dancing around with Bill and when it shows the back of her legs you have to wonder if they took severe hail damage.

This video/photo was shown years ago but many attempts by me to find it have turned up fruitless.

Find this video or photos and Obama takes the primaries. People will see the real non-attractive, non-classy Hilly and not take her seriously.

What does her looks have to do with her politics?

Look, I know she's not and I am not a fan of anorexic models. Hillary has cultivated an image of a classy and moderately attractive woman. The photo makes her look like another beached whale on panama city beach. _this_ _is_ _how_ _joe_ _voter_ _will_ _view_ _it_ despite him thinking a few seconds later "well, shes older and had a kid".

Im not making fun of obese women, I am trying to give you the impression that the photo gives. I also wonder how it got scrubbed off the net over the years.

You have missed the point entirely because you chose to get hung up on how I framed how she looked.

:rolleyes:

[The Central Scrutinizer]

So, only women with pretty legs should be taken seriously?

Yes. And big hooters.

[daredelvis]

Dukakis wearing a helmet in a tank. It was a photo that made Dukakis look silly or worse phony. Some people thought the John Kerry hamster photo would be just as bad, but it seemed to have little effect.

blah... blah... blah...

Just when I was thinking you had exhausted your ability to underwhelm me...

Daredelvis

[IllegalArgument]

You have missed the point entirely because you chose to get hung up on how I framed how she looked.

Yes, because that's exactly how you framed it.

No normal average America could vote for Hillary because she has fat legs.

I don't particularly like Hillary but it has nothing do to with her looks.

[Dr Adequate]

Im not making fun of obese women, I am trying to give you the impression that the photo gives. I also wonder how it got scrubbed off the net over the years. Because TEH DEMOCRATS control the internets!!!!!!
:tinfoil

Meanwhile, the Web is full of liberal so-called "photographs" purporting to show that Rudy Giuliani is BALD and therefore unfit to govern. Coincidence? I think not.

[BPSCG]

Here it is (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/billnhilldancing.jpg). Honestly, by today's standards, her ass isn't particularly noteworthy.

[Darth Rotor]

My evil plan: First we get you dating that Seattle basketball player chick. Then, when Bill is off doing his thing, Hillary will find you irresistible. Could work. MWAH HA HA!
That's downright evil, to take me from the heights of glory and joy, Sue Bird, to pit of despair, Hillary Harpy.

I had better watch my back when I come up to Seattle (which I hope to do some day . . . but don't know when I can.)

I'll keep an eye on all the beers, to make sure Mike Finn does not join us. ;)

DR

[corplinx]

Here it is (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/billnhilldancing.jpg). Honestly, by today's standards, her ass isn't particularly noteworthy.

Thats the flattering shot. The shot with her back to the camera is the winner.

[corplinx]

I vote we should get a back-end picture of Corplinx posted.

Yeesh.

Pale, hairy, possibly a few pimples. Draw your own picture.

[BPSCG]

Thats the flattering shot. The shot with her back to the camera is the winner.Well, the second picture down at this link (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3991967759f0.htm) seems to be what you're talking about, except that 1) it's obvious fauxtography and 2) the woman doesn't even look like her.

[Dr Adequate]

Here it is (http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/billnhilldancing.jpg). WARNING! WARNING! DEFENSES BREACHED!

THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE! ABANDON LIBERALISM!

[Lurker]

Pale, hairy, possibly a few pimples. Draw your own picture.

Hmm, I always imagined you with a tail...

[LawnOven]

Well, the second picture down at this link (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3991967759f0.htm) seems to be what you're talking about, except that 1) it's obvious fauxtography and 2) the woman doesn't even look like her.


My gods... her butt is so disgusting, it appears it can barely be contained by my computer moniter; it appears to be jumping from side to side!

[steverino]

That's downright evil, to take me from the heights of glory and joy, Sue Bird, to pit of despair, Hillary Harpy.

I had better watch my back when I come up to Seattle (which I hope to do some day . . . but don't know when I can.)

I'll keep an eye on all the beers, to make sure Mike Finn does not join us. ;)

DR

Are you suggesting Sue Bird for president?

[LawnOven]

Well, the second picture down at this link (http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3991967759f0.htm) seems to be what you're talking about, except that 1) it's obvious fauxtography and 2) the woman doesn't even look like her.


oh come on; next you're going to tell me this isn't really her either.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i187/Seaspook/8930msUQ_small.jpg

[LeFevre]

So you wouldn't do her?

I would! :eek: :boxedin:

[corplinx]

If nobody can find the bad photo, maybe it doesn't exist. Or maybe I was thinking of Kathleen Turner after she discovered there is indeed such a thing as chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.

[steverino]

Let's look at this a different way. Imagine a really, really hot woman running for office. She's talking about funding social security, and meanwhile her bossoms are jiggling on the debate-podium. Assuming she was well-equipped (to run the country ;) ) would she have a chance?

[Dr Adequate]

http://littlemissattila.mu.nu/archives/giuliani_in_drag.jpg

It's not the size of his thighs that's Giuliani's biggest problem here.

Still, you've got to give him marks for effort.

[CFLarsen]

If nobody can find the bad photo, maybe it doesn't exist. Or maybe I was thinking of Kathleen Turner after she discovered there is indeed such a thing as chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.

What does Hillary's looks have to do with her politics?

[Dr Adequate]

What does Hillary's looks have to do with her politics? There is a definite statistical correlation between physical appearance and political attitudes.

For example, people who look like this tend to vote Republican.

http://kappachapter.org/~kevinh/photos/redneck.jpg

[bluess]

If nobody can find the bad photo, maybe it doesn't exist. Or maybe I was thinking of Kathleen Turner after she discovered there is indeed such a thing as chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.

Well, I'm glad this whole thread had a point....

Right.

[Snide]

Hillary's looks alone have nothing to do with her politics or politics per se, and corplinx never claimed it did. Corp thought he recalled a picture of Hillary so unflattering that, if made widely public, would have the same effect the goofy picture of Dukakis did. Whether the picture of Dukakis really had anything to do with him losing so badly is debatable. But as long as there is a perception that it did, it will be discussed, and future "Dukakis moments" that candidates have will be discussed, and the discussions will be relevant, if not entirely meaningful.

Maybe it was more than just honest discussion on Corp's part...perhaps he saw it as an opportunity for some gratuitous mockery. If so, he wouldn't be alone in that regard here.

I happen to disagree that this is a Dukakis photo for Hillary. People won't think, "Look how goofy she looks trying to impress us" and thus take their swing vote elsewhere, a la Dukakis and Kerry (supposedly).

[CFLarsen]

Hillary's looks alone have nothing to do with her politics or politics per se, and corplinx never claimed it did.


Nonsense:

Dukakis wearing a helmet in a tank. It was a photo that made Dukakis look silly or worse phony. Some people thought the John Kerry hamster photo would be just as bad, but it seemed to have little effect.

Years ago I saw the photo that would be the Hillary equivalent of the Dukakis photo. Unfortunately, I just can't find it on the web anymore. There was photo/video of the Clintons taken when they were "reconciling" on some island. The video showed her 12 sandwich eating butt in all 4 feet of its glory whereas normally its hidden by carefully chosen Lane Bryan clothers. She's dancing around with Bill and when it shows the back of her legs you have to wonder if they took severe hail damage.

This video/photo was shown years ago but many attempts by me to find it have turned up fruitless.

Find this video or photos and Obama takes the primaries. People will see the real non-attractive, non-classy Hilly and not take her seriously.

[Darth Rotor]

Are you suggesting Sue Bird for president?
Yes, and I'd volunteer to be her personal foot massager without portfolio.

DR

[BPSCG]

There's an old piece of political wisdom that says, roughly, never let them take a picture of you in a pose that makes you look like a doofus. Dukakis in the tank is the classic of the genre. Kerry in the clean room outfit was another. I think the original was some Republican guy who was persuaded to sit on top of an elephant.

Anyway, none of these Hillary pics qualify. Not even close. And neither does her flubbing The Star Spangled Banner, or her inability to sing.

(Jeezum crow, I'm defending Hillary Clinton...)

[corplinx]

Well, I'm glad this whole thread had a point....

Right.

I'm always open to the fact that I could be wrong, full or rule8, or even miss altogether. Remember my warped take on Children of Men?

I am pretty sure the photo and video exists and I wouldn't be surprised to see youtube ads of it at some point.

[rtalman]

IMO this time around if there were to be a media faux pas that sank the Clinton campaign, it would be more likely be akin to the infamous "I have a scream" Howard Dean speech than the Dukakis tank video. That's what the media outlets would be on the lookout for, and some of her speeches in the past have come off as somewhat shrieky.

[steverino]

(Jeezum crow, I'm defending Hillary Clinton...)

Funny. I read this expression and it took me back to when I visited my sister at Goddard College in Vermont in tha late '70's. So I just googled it and found this:

http://www.whatdoesthatmean.com/node/2024

Instead of saying Jesus Christ, in Vermont people say Jeezum Crow.

[CFLarsen]

I'm always open to the fact that I could be wrong, full or rule8, or even miss altogether. Remember my warped take on Children of Men?

I am pretty sure the photo and video exists and I wouldn't be surprised to see youtube ads of it at some point.

What does Hillary's looks have to do with her politics?

[RandFan]

Posted today in a different thread.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/billnhilldancing.jpg

Keep in mind this was completly spontaneous and Bill was really upset of the security lapse.

[RandFan]

What does Hillary's looks have to do with her politics?This is America where we make fun of our politicians.

http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/zendaba/images/bush-chimp-pray1.jpg

[CFLarsen]

This is America where we make fun of our politicians.

http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/zendaba/images/bush-chimp-pray1.jpg

Not a problem. We make fun of your politicians, too.

But what does that have to do with Hillary's politics?

[RandFan]

Not a problem. We make fun of your politicians, too.

But what does that have to do with Hillary's politics? Why are you assuming that anyone thinks that it does?

[CFLarsen]

Why are you assuming that anyone thinks that it does?

Post #36.

[RandFan]

Post #36.Hmmm..... I think there is some miscomunication here.

No one is saying that it should have anything to do with her politics if that is what you are getting at.

Corplinx is pointing out the facts that these things can influence politics. They shouldn't but they can. It's called propaganda and it is used all of the time. In fact, a very effective propaganda war was waged against Bush. Much of it had nothing to do with his politics but a lot of it could be argued to have been effective (see Bush chimp photo above).

[boloboffin]

Because TEH DEMOCRATS control the internets!!!!!!
:tinfoil

Meanwhile, the Web is full of liberal so-called "photographs" purporting to show that Rudy Giuliani is BALD and therefore unfit to govern. Coincidence? I think not.

Well, I haven't seen that, but I have seen the pictures of Rudy in drag.

:dqueen

EDIT: And evidently, if I'd read the rest of the thread before posting, so did you.

[CFLarsen]

Hmmm..... I think there is some miscomunication here.

No one is saying that it should have anything to do with her politics if that is what you are getting at.

Corplinx is pointing out the facts that these things can influence politics. They shouldn't but they can. It's called propaganda and it is used all of the time. In fact, a very effective propaganda war was waged against Bush. Much of it had nothing to do with his politics but a lot of it could be argued to have been effective (see Bush chimp photo above).

No.

Corplinx clearly says that, after seeing this (yet-to-be-seen) photo, people will not take her seriously.

Why else work so hard to find the photo?

[Cain]

Since the President is the Commander and Chief of the military, I suppose the infamous image of Dukakis on a tank had some connection to politics. Hillary in bikini (shiver) says more about how Corp views women then whether or not voters will reject her for the above picture (shiver). I see not much has changed around here.

[IllegalArgument]

Corplinx is pointing out the facts that these things can influence politics. They shouldn't but they can. It's called propaganda and it is used all of the time. In fact, a very effective propaganda war was waged against Bush. Much of it had nothing to do with his politics but a lot of it could be argued to have been effective (see Bush chimp photo above).

You are right about propaganda.

Corplix's comments on the picture says more about his opinions of women, at least women who want positions of power, than propaganda.

[PrincessIneffabelle]

If nobody can find the bad photo, maybe it doesn't exist. Or maybe I was thinking of Kathleen Turner after she discovered there is indeed such a thing as chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.


Kathleen Turner is a 52-year-old woman with debilitating arthritis. She is being treated with anti-inflammatory steriod therapy. This kind of drug therapy leads to major bloating. I'm sure she's very sorry that you don't find her sexy anymore.

[Meadmaker]

That's IT! I've seen a picture of Hillary in a swimsuit! It's an outrage! I'm voting Republican!



The John Kerry equivalent of the Dukakis photo was his national convention salute. It was phony to the core. I cringed when I saw it, and said, "He just lost half a million votes." Sure enough, it showed up on NationalReview.com shortly after the convention, and stayed there right through the election.

[RandFan]

No.No... well, I can't really speak for him but apparently you can.

Corplinx clearly says that, after seeing this (yet-to-be-seen) photo, people will not take her seriously. But he doesn't state whether they should or not. That's what you are missing.

Why else work so hard to find the photo? Because it's damn funny. Because it was propaganda but out by Clinton. Because it is funny.

ETA: Sorry, but did I mention it was funny?

[RandFan]

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot says what about Al Franken?

No Tu Quoque here folks because I don't think there is a damn thing wrong with making fun of the attributes of politicians. Rush Limbaugh IS Big and fat though not as fat as he used to be. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm fat.

I do think it is pure BS to put up some sacred cow that no one can make fun of. It is also damn hypocritical of those who find it funny to think Bush looks like a chimp. I think it is funny to make fun of the way George Bush looks BTW.

THOU SHALL NOT MAKE FUN OF WOMEN LEAST THOU REVEAL WHAT THOU THINKEST OF WOMEN!!! {shiver}

Oh spare me and F*** you.

Hillary's appearance is no sacred cow and making fun of her reveals not one god damn thing.

[RandFan]

You are right about propaganda.

Corplix's comments on the picture says more about his opinions of women, at least women who want positions of power, than propaganda.Sorry, if my previous post was a bit strident but I really think this is pure BS. I'm not willing to put up these sacred lines that can't be crossed and I don't think it proves a damn thing about what his opinion of women is.

[BPSCG]

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot says what about Al Franken?

No Tu Quoque here folks because I don't think there is a damn thing wrong with making fun of the attributes of politicians. Rush Limbaugh IS Big and fat though not as fat as he used to be. I'm fat BTW.

I do think it is pure BS to put up some sacred cow that no one can make fun of. It is also damn hipocritical of those who find it funny to think Bush looks like a chimp. I think it is BTW.

THOU SHALL NOT MAKE FUN OF WOMEN LEAST THOU REVEAL WHAT THOU THINKEST OF WOMEN!!! {shiver}

Oh spare me and F*** you.

FWIW, I don't think she's unattractive at all, especially for a woman pushing 60 (or is she past it already?). Think of some of the other crones women who were around when her hubby was president. Donna Shalala. Janet Reno. Hillary's a beauty queen next to them.

OTOH, as RF points out, if it's fair to compare Bush to a chimp, then it's fair to make mock of Hillary, too. And just as irrelevant.

Hillary's appearance is no sacred cow and making fun of her reveals not one god damn thing.Oh, so she's a cow, now? :D

[Dr Adequate]

I'm always open to the fact that I could be wrong, full or rule8, or even miss altogether. Is that why a few days ago you put me on ignore when I pointed out some of your more obvious mistakes?

You stupid cowardly reality-dodging liar.

[RandFan]

FWIW, I don't think she's unattractive at all, especially for a woman pushing 60 (or is she past it already?). I'll grant you that. It's a fair point.

[RandFan]

Rush Limbaugh IS Big and fat though not as fat as he used to be. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm fat.No, Rush Limbaugh is not a politician but he is a celebrity and he is in politics which makes him ripe for the picking not too mention what he says and does.

[CFLarsen]

No... well, I can't really speak for him but apparently you can.

But he doesn't state whether they should or not. That's what you are missing.

Rrrrrright.....

Because it's damn funny. Because it was propaganda but out by Clinton. Because it is funny.

ETA: Sorry, but did I mention it was funny?

Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot says what about Al Franken?

No Tu Quoque here folks because I don't think there is a damn thing wrong with making fun of the attributes of politicians. Rush Limbaugh IS Big and fat though not as fat as he used to be. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm fat.

I do think it is pure BS to put up some sacred cow that no one can make fun of. It is also damn hypocritical of those who find it funny to think Bush looks like a chimp. I think it is funny to make fun of the way George Bush looks BTW.

THOU SHALL NOT MAKE FUN OF WOMEN LEAST THOU REVEAL WHAT THOU THINKEST OF WOMEN!!! {shiver}

Oh spare me and F*** you.

Hillary's appearance is no sacred cow and making fun of her reveals not one god damn thing.

Who has said that people can't make fun of Hillary?

[rtalman]

The John Kerry equivalent of the Dukakis photo was
http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2004/07/26/kerry-space.jpg

[Darth Rotor]

Hillary's appearance is no sacred resembles that of a bloated New Jersey cow, and making fun of her reveals not one god damn psychobabbling thing.
There, fixed it for ya. Always here to help. :)

DR

[casebro]

Politics is the process of making trade-offs. Finding the pic in question will lose her some votes, but ought to bring her Wisconsin.

[Snide]

Nonsense:
So corplinx claims that there are people who read things into photos that affect their voting habits. He happens to think the Hillary photo will have this effect. I happen to disagree.

Anyway, how does that show what I said is nonsense?

[Snide]

Hmmm..... I think there is some miscomunication here.

No one is saying that it should have anything to do with her politics if that is what you are getting at.

Corplinx is pointing out the facts that these things can influence politics. They shouldn't but they can. It's called propaganda and it is used all of the time. In fact, a very effective propaganda war was waged against Bush. Much of it had nothing to do with his politics but a lot of it could be argued to have been effective (see Bush chimp photo above).I'm trying to get the same thing through to Claus. Good luck to you, my friend.

[LawnOven]

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2004/07/26/kerry-space.jpg

*snicker*

Honestly I thought this whole incident was pretty bad too and it happened, two days before the election.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4792/kerrywithgun2il4.jpg

[rtalman]

*snicker*

Honestly I thought this whole incident was pretty bad too and it happened, two days before the election.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4792/kerrywithgun2il4.jpg
The clincher on that one was going into the sporting goods store and asking

Is this whar I can get me a huntin' license?

[Snide]

*snicker*

Honestly I thought this whole incident was pretty bad too and it happened, two days before the election.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4792/kerrywithgun2il4.jpgI think that had more impact, too. Not because it was "goofy," but because there were enough people like my brother-in-law (who believed the lies that Kerry was for banning pretty much every gun hunters use), and were inuslted that he dare try to look like a hunter.

[CFLarsen]

So corplinx claims that there are people who read things into photos that affect their voting habits. He happens to think the Hillary photo will have this effect. I happen to disagree.

Anyway, how does that show what I said is nonsense?

Here it is again:

Dukakis wearing a helmet in a tank. It was a photo that made Dukakis look silly or worse phony. Some people thought the John Kerry hamster photo would be just as bad, but it seemed to have little effect.

Years ago I saw the photo that would be the Hillary equivalent of the Dukakis photo. Unfortunately, I just can't find it on the web anymore. There was photo/video of the Clintons taken when they were "reconciling" on some island. The video showed her 12 sandwich eating butt in all 4 feet of its glory whereas normally its hidden by carefully chosen Lane Bryan clothers. She's dancing around with Bill and when it shows the back of her legs you have to wonder if they took severe hail damage.

This video/photo was shown years ago but many attempts by me to find it have turned up fruitless.

Find this video or photos and Obama takes the primaries. People will see the real non-attractive, non-classy Hilly and not take her seriously.

Sure, that was not an attempt to link Hillary's looks to Hillary's politics.

Sure.

[LawnOven]

I think that had more impact, too. Not because it was "goofy," but because there were enough people like my brother-in-law (who believed the lies that Kerry was for banning pretty much every gun hunters use), and were inuslted that he dare try to look like a hunter.

I thought it was "goofy" because it appeared really fake, and contrived redneckism; and I have a feeling that he thought nascar dads would just eat it up.

It was one of those moments that made me cridge slap my head and say "no, not again!"; it's like he wanted to lose. I think that whole stunt alone may have cost him the election.

Oh well maybe it's for the best, this way, atleast the complete and total corruption of the Bush administration is obvious to all but the most dense. I've been given the impression that many people didn't get it the first time around. Bush getting elected a second time is the best thing to happen to the democratic party in a long time.

[LawnOven]

The clincher on that one was going into the sporting goods store and asking


Is this whar I can get me a huntin' license?


And suddenly he surrounded by hunting dogs, like he lives in an ****** shack in the ozarks!

what? I go hunt'in all the time.

really? well don't do it a week before the election!

...yeah, like I said above, head-slappingly bad. The 2004 election really pissed me off.

[Snide]

Here it is again:



Sure, that was not an attempt to link Hillary's looks to Hillary's politics.

Sure.Claus, how is corplinx trying to tie Hillary's looks to her politics? (Or rather, more accurate to your original implications, how is corplinx suggesting her looks have anything to do with her politics?)

Yes, the gratuitous insults were beneath corplinx, but how does each highlighted word or phrase give evidence to him doing so?

Thanks.

[steverino]

Another Dukakis photo mishap was when he was at a bowling alley for a photo op. He was trying to look like a good ol' boy. He bowled OK, but of course the footage on the evening news was him bowling a gutter ball.

I'm from Illinois and Senator Paul Simon (not the singer) was running in the same primaries as Dukakis. He went to a Chicago Bears game and was holding a beer and the news anchor asked for a comment and he mispronounced the quarterback Mike Tomzack. He said "Tom-check." I voted for him and he was a brain but like the Dukakis bowling thing he tried to look like Joe-6-pack and it looked fake.

[LawnOven]

Ugh, no sports participation! Unless you were an olympic athelete. There are too many opportunities for unfavorable sports analogies. So, so stupid.

[CFLarsen]

Claus, how is corplinx trying to tie Hillary's looks to her politics? (Or rather, more accurate to your original implications, how is corplinx suggesting her looks have anything to do with her politics?)

Yes, the gratuitous insults were beneath corplinx, but how does each highlighted word or phrase give evidence to him doing so?

Thanks.

I'm sorry, but what part of

Find this video or photos and Obama takes the primaries. People will see the real non-attractive, non-classy Hilly and not take her seriously.

doesn't link Hillary's looks to Hillary's politics?

"Obama takes the primaries". That's as political as it gets.

[corplinx]

Yes, the gratuitous insults were beneath corplinx, but how does each highlighted word or phrase give evidence to him doing so?


Everyone has the right to be mocked in an overboard fashion. Its an inherent human right. Even me.

[corplinx]

doesn't link Hillary's looks to Hillary's politics?

"Obama takes the primaries". That's as political as it gets.

Let's talk looks and politics. When I was in St. Lucia a while back, I found a book called "Interface" that had one of my favorite author's listed as collaborating on it (Neal Stephenson).

One of the characters in the book mentions that HDTV will affect politics because your Barack Obama's continue to look like movie stars while your candidates who show age more or have a higher BMI look worse. That idea really stuck with me.

Just to throw some more fuel on the fire, Nixon vs Kennedy debate.

I would suggest that physical appearances do play a part in politics. US Rep Henry Waxman will never be president even if he was as charismatic as Barack Obama.

In Florida there was a certain State DA named Katharine Harris who went from being viewed poorly (with her heavy makeup being mocked frequently) to being elected to congress after a nice makeover.

Voters are superficial beings to some extent. I think we all know this.

[rtalman]

Which was more damaging to the Dukakis campaign: The tank photo or the Wille Horton ad?

Which was more damaging to the John Kerry campaign: The pictures or the Swiftboat ads?

Damaging in the sense that it took someone who was leaning toward that candidate and made them vote the other way, pushed an undecided to vote for that candidate.

[corplinx]

Which was more damaging to the Dukakis campaign: The tank photo or the Wille Horton ad?

Which was more damaging to the John Kerry campaign: The pictures or the Swiftboat ads?

Damaging in the sense that it took someone who was leaning toward that candidate and made them vote the other way, pushed an undecided to vote for that candidate.

The Dukakis photo was of course not the reason he lost, but it helped paint the tapestry of him the GOP wished to paint.

[CFLarsen]

Let's talk looks and politics. When I was in St. Lucia a while back, I found a book called "Interface" that had one of my favorite author's listed as collaborating on it (Neal Stephenson).

One of the characters in the book mentions that HDTV will affect politics because your Barack Obama's continue to look like movie stars while your candidates who show age more or have a higher BMI look worse. That idea really stuck with me.

Just to throw some more fuel on the fire, Nixon vs Kennedy debate.

I would suggest that physical appearances do play a part in politics. US Rep Henry Waxman will never be president even if he was as charismatic as Barack Obama.

In Florida there was a certain State DA named Katharine Harris who went from being viewed poorly (with her heavy makeup being mocked frequently) to being elected to congress after a nice makeover.

Voters are superficial beings to some extent. I think we all know this.

Yeah, let's talk looks and politics.

Why do you work so hard to find a photo of Hillary in an embarrassing situation, so that Obama will win the primaries?

[Snide]

Everyone has the right to be mocked in an overboard fashion. Its an inherent human right. Even me.Absolutely!

[Snide]

I'm sorry, but what part of



doesn't link Hillary's looks to Hillary's politics?

"Obama takes the primaries". That's as political as it gets.No, the real question is, "What part does?"

Here is a reasonable inference to that clip: Find this video or photos and Obama takes the primaries. People will see the real non-attractive, non-classy Hilly and not take her seriously.

There is a video or photo so physically unflattering to Hillary that voters will be so repulsed/disgusted/whatever, they will put reason and politics aside and vote for Obama instead.

That corplinx may seem pleased about this possible result, or even endorses it or encourages it, is entirely irrelevant.

It's really that simple.

[CFLarsen]

No, the real question is, "What part does?"

Here is a reasonable inference to that clip: Find this video or photos and Obama takes the primaries. People will see the real non-attractive, non-classy Hilly and not take her seriously.

There is a video or photo so physically unflattering to Hillary that voters will be so repulsed/disgusted/whatever, they will put reason and politics aside and vote for Obama instead.

That corplinx may seem pleased about this possible result, or even endorses it or encourages it, is entirely irrelevant.

It's really that simple.

Until you consider the effort of finding this photo.

[RandFan]

Rrrrrright.....Yes. Right. Unless you read minds. I don't and nothing was say about "should".

[RandFan]

I'm trying to get the same thing through to Claus. Good luck to you, my friend.I have no illusions. Christ will come back before anything gets through to Claus.

[RandFan]

Sure, that was not an attempt to link Hillary's looks to Hillary's politics.I really don't get your point. Any link is simply an observation.

[RandFan]

Until you consider the effort of finding this photo.Do you even know who posted the photo?
Do you even know the context of the photo?
I really don't think croplinx is doing what you allege but even if he were, so what? Big deal. At the least he has started a discussion as to why such judgements are superficial. No one in this thread has proclaimed that we SHOULD render judgements on superficial BS like whether or not Bush looks like a chimp or Limbaugh is fat or Ann Coulter looks like a man or Eleanor Roosevelt looked like a horse.

[corplinx]

Why do you work so hard to find a photo of Hillary in an embarrassing situation, so that Obama will win the primaries?

I want to be on the cutting edge. Guerrilla campaiging and independent ads on places like youtube are becoming more influential. Look at the Hillary 1984 video. I expect to see an attempt be made to create a popular video where Hillary is portrayed unflatteringly. In addition to Obama being younger and more baggage free than Hilly, he's also easier on the eyes and I expect to see that contrast made clear by some independent supporter.

[Dr Adequate]

I'm from Illinois and Senator Paul Simon (not the singer) ... Aw.

I liked his economic platform and all.

"Li la li .. li la li li li li li ... la-la-la-la i."

Well it gets my vote.

[billydkid]

I want to be on the cutting edge. Guerrilla campaiging and independent ads on places like youtube are becoming more influential. Look at the Hillary 1984 video. I expect to see an attempt be made to create a popular video where Hillary is portrayed unflatteringly. In addition to Obama being younger and more baggage free than Hilly, he's also easier on the eyes and I expect to see that contrast made clear by some independent supporter.Are you kidding me!!! Hillary is a megababe!!! I'm kind of hoping Playboy offers her a few million to get neckid. Mmmm, mmmmm, mmmmm!!! (She couldn't do Penthouse. They'd have to photoshop out the teeth.)

[CFLarsen]

I really don't get your point. Any link is simply an observation.

Not when you point to the politician's opponent and wish for that opponent to win.

Do you even know who posted the photo?
Do you even know the context of the photo?
I really don't think croplinx is doing what you allege but even if he were, so what? Big deal. At the least he has started a discussion as to why such judgements are superficial. No one in this thread has proclaimed that we SHOULD render judgements on superficial BS like whether or not Bush looks like a chimp or Limbaugh is fat or Ann Coulter looks like a man or Eleanor Roosevelt looked like a horse.

Baloney.

I want to be on the cutting edge. Guerrilla campaiging and independent ads on places like youtube are becoming more influential. Look at the Hillary 1984 video. I expect to see an attempt be made to create a popular video where Hillary is portrayed unflatteringly. In addition to Obama being younger and more baggage free than Hilly, he's also easier on the eyes and I expect to see that contrast made clear by some independent supporter.

Baloney.

[corplinx]

Not when you point to the politician's opponent and wish for that opponent to win.


What makes you think I want Obama to win? This time around, I'm voting for Shemp.

[RandFan]

Not when you point to the politician's opponent and wish for that opponent to win.Oh yeah, that would be effective. Smooth move.

Baloney.?

Baloney. You obviously have a wonderful economy with words, Claus. I look forward to your next syllable with great eagerness!

My apologies to Hobson.

[RandFan]

What makes you think I want Obama to win? This time around, I'm voting for Shemp.I think Larsen has you and I mixed up since I was the one who posted the photo and I'm pulling for Obama.

Hey, you and I, consipiracy. Don't tell the truthers.

[rtalman]

I think Larsen has you and I mixed up since I was the one who posted the photo and I'm pulling for Obama.

Truthfully, 'twas I that posted it initially in another thread. Here, allow me to post a make-up photo.

http://www.fiveanddime.net/hillary-clinton-for-president-in-2008/hillary-1967.jpg
And if I may add...

Hubba Hubba.

[steverino]

THAT's Hillary? What happened? :(

[rtalman]

THAT's Hillary? What happened? :(
40 years.

ETA: Also, at that time she was a member of the Young Republicans at Wellesley... maybe that accounts for the added babe factor.

[CFLarsen]

I think Larsen has you and I mixed up since I was the one who posted the photo and I'm pulling for Obama.

Hey, you and I, consipiracy. Don't tell the truthers.

You really want to compare this to the 9-11 trooters?

That was low, man.

[RandFan]

You really want to compare this to the 9-11 trooters?

That was low, man.Sorry Larson. No, you don't belong in that group.

[RandFan]

Hillary has had, well, phases. Bill too apparently.

http://xs33.xs.to/pics/05245/Bill-Hillary-1970-New-Hav.jpg

[Region Rat]

Hillary has had, well, phases. Bill too apparently.

http://xs33.xs.to/pics/05245/Bill-Hillary-1970-New-Hav.jpg

Didn't inhale, my a$$. He's stoned to the gills in that picture.

[Meadmaker]

*snicker*

Honestly I thought this whole incident was pretty bad too and it happened, two days before the election.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4792/kerrywithgun2il4.jpg

Ooh. I forgot about that one. Kerry had several nominees for "Dukakis photo". It really is hard to pick just one. Worse than the photo was the audio. I happened to catch Rush the day after, and I heard him say, over and over again, "Can I get me a huntin' license here?" Uggh.

[Meadmaker]

Which was more damaging to the Dukakis campaign: The tank photo or the Wille Horton ad?

Which was more damaging to the John Kerry campaign: The pictures or the Swiftboat ads?

Damaging in the sense that it took someone who was leaning toward that candidate and made them vote the other way, pushed an undecided to vote for that candidate.

The thing about the tank photo, the salute, the huntin' license, and similar situations is that the candidate put themselves in those situations on purpose. It exposed hypocrisy. "Hmmm...people think I'm soft on defense. What can I do? I know! I'll be photographed looking like a Playskool figure riding a tank!" or "We democrats are viewed as soft on defense. What can we do? I know! Let's nominate a war hero. Do we have one? Hey, that guy has medals. We can't lose!" An undecided voter looks at it and sees an idiot and says, "Is this the best they've got? He thinks I can be fooled if he goes goose hunting one day."

I think the Hilary big-butt photos actually help her. It shows her being spontaneous, affectionate, and real, when she doesn't know the cameras are rolling. That helps, not hurts, her image.

[PrincessIneffabelle]

Wow, I finally saw a flattering picture of Hillary! And, whaddayaknow, it didn't change my opinion of her politics one bit. :p

[RandFan]

I think the Hilary big-butt photos actually help her. It shows her being spontaneous, affectionate, and real, when she doesn't know the cameras are rolling. That helps, not hurts, her image.You lost me with the last paragraph.

Here's some homework for you. Go to the store and buy a bunch of those rags that pay paparazzi big bucks to take candid photos of celebrities on the beach. Now compare those photos with the one of the clintons dancing. See something odd? Yeah, the ones in the rags are grainy and the lighting is poor, in other words they don't look at all comercially slick. Simple reason why. They were shot with telephoto lenses without the photog having any control of lighting.

Questions: Why does the photo of Bill and Hillary look like it was taken by a professional-commercial photographer? Why does it look posed and why is the lighting so good and there is no grain in the photo?

Meadmaker, the photo is obvious propoganda.

[Dorian Gray]

I vote we should get a back-end picture of Corplinx posted.

Yeesh.
Easy - just post a picture of his face.

[Dr Adequate]

You lost me with the last paragraph.

Here's some homework for you. Go to the store and buy a bunch of those rags that pay paparazzi big bucks to take candid photos of celebrities on the beach. Now compare those photos with the one of the clintons dancing. See something odd? Yeah, the ones in the rags are grainy and the lighting is poor, in other words they don't look at all comercially slick. Simple reason why. They were shot with telephoto lenses without the photog having any control of lighting.

Questions: Why does the photo of Bill and Hillary look like it was taken by a professional-commercial photographer? Why does it look posed and why is the lighting so good and there is no grain in the photo?

Meadmaker, the photo is obvious propoganda.Are you joking or what?

I can't tell any more. I just overdosed on right-wing sites telling me that GWB is a socialist.

Yeah, they're serious.

[Meadmaker]

Meadmaker, the photo is obvious propoganda.

I suppose you could be right. It doesn't look like propoganda to me, because of the problems Corplinx noted originally, but it's possible it's very good propoganda, showing just enough flaws to convince people it's genuine.

Either way, it's not in the same class as the Dukakis Playskool photos.

[RandFan]

Are you joking or what?Why would you think I'm joking? Was there something in my post that was wrong? Could you please be direct? I understand you like to be mysterious and all and that has a place but damn, it gets frustrating sometimes. What are you on about?

I can't tell any more. I just overdosed on right-wing sites telling me that GWB is a socialist. What the hell has this got to do with me?

Yeah, they're serious.What I'd like to know is if you are serious?

[RandFan]

I suppose you could be right. It doesn't look like propaganda to me, because of the problems Corplinx noted originally, but it's possible it's very good propoganda, showing just enough flaws to convince people it's genuine.

Either way, it's not in the same class as the Dukakis Playskool photos.It's a great photo. It's a damn great photo.

The two people are dancing so close, their bodies touch. The most compelling thing about the photograph, however, is how the woman's head is tilted up to look lovingly into the eyes of the man and how a small, affectionate smile plays upon the man's lips as he looks down at her. I'd like someone to find me an equal from one of those rags with the candid shots.

I'd also like someone to explain the lapse in security that made such a candid photo possible. Are we really to believe the secret service took the day off?

Flaws? Sure, not enough to sway me to believe this was a candid shot taken without the president's permission while the secret service were sleeping.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/3450/billnhilldancing.jpg