Jordan count

[thaiboxerken]

Anyone have information on how I can learn this techinique? I know the elmsly count and I suspect the Jordan is similar but I want to be sure. I have acquired instruction on a Twisted Aces variation that uses a Jordan count to introduce an unexpected card into the effect but it's useless because I don't know what a jordan count is.

[Mick Houlahan]

Card College Volume Two by Roberto Giobbi. What the Elmsley Count does for the third card in the packet, the Jordan Count does for the bottom card.

[thaiboxerken]

Can I stick my tongue out while doing it, like the Jordan dunk?

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Can I stick my tongue out while doing it, like the Jordan dunk?

You're thinking of the Michael Jordan count which only applies to millions of dollars in U.S. currency, not cards.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Here's an online resource with descriptions of several card moves including the Jordan Count.

http://www.practicenotincluded.com/

It's password protected so you'll need to know a little about card sleights to enter.

[Brown]

It's password protected so you'll need to know a little about card sleights to enter.Well, I was able to enter, but the questions threw me off. I'd never heard of two of the guys, and as for one of the moves, I'd always heard it attributed to ... someone else. Nevertheless, I applied a little logic and was able to pass the test on the first try.

Almost immediately, I found an alternate subtlety to use in performing one of my tricks. In this trick, as performed conventionally, there is a risk of flashing at a bad time, and I am not confident that I can consistently misdirect my spectators' attention away from the cards momentarily so that they won't notice the flash if it occurs.

With this subtlety, not only is the flashing eliminated, I can even specifically direct the spectator's attention to the cards while I'm doing the dirty work! I can't wait to try it out!

[Dinsdale Piranha]

Almost immediately, I found an alternate subtlety to use in performing one of my tricks. In this trick, as performed conventionally, there is a risk of flashing at a bad time, and I am not confident that I can consistently misdirect my spectators' attention away from the cards momentarily so that they won't notice the flash if it occurs.

With this subtlety, not only is the flashing eliminated, I can even specifically direct the spectator's attention to the cards while I'm doing the dirty work! I can't wait to try it out!

Verrrry interesting. Any hint as to which trick you are referring? Twisting the Aces, perhaps?

[Brown]

Verrrry interesting. Any hint as to which trick you are referring? Twisting the Aces, perhaps?Mmmmm, could be! Without going into details, I would neither use the classic patter, nor would I use the patter recommended at the website; rather, I would use my own flavor of patter (my patter avoids suggesting that I am a magician or a card sharp, as I wish to be more humble and suggest that weird things simply happen, not that I'm actually making them happen) and combine it with the technique of using a card as a "pointer." By using a card as a pointer, I can direct the attention to the cards themselves in a natural and innocent manner, while at the same time doing the dirty work.

All of which might make complete sense, or no sense whatsoever. But there you are.

[thaiboxerken]

I find it easier to do the effects for people who are tipsy. But then, they are more belligerent about asking me how I did it.

My most enjoyable experience came from Roadtoad as he thoroughly enjoyed my ambitious card routine and was very entertaining himself. But he wasn't tipsy and didn't ask how I did it either.

[NeilC]

I learned the elmsley and jordan counts ages ago but none of the effects I do use them. I spent ages learning them and, as far as I can see, they look identical to straight counting.

So I'd like to learn a few good effects where I can utilise them. Any suggestions of some really good false-count based effects?

[Garrette]

I learned the elmsley and jordan counts ages ago but none of the effects I do use them. I spent ages learning them and, as far as I can see, they look identical to straight counting.

So I'd like to learn a few good effects where I can utilise them. Any suggestions of some really good false-count based effects?For packet tricks and a good shocker ending, go with The Web. Some people will assault you afterwards, though.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

You can start with the original version of Dai Vernon's Twisting the Aces. I'd also suggest Alex Elmsley's Four Card Trick.

These are two effects that popularized packet tricks using Elmsley and Jordan counts.

[thaiboxerken]

I do twisting aces. I never heard of the web.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

I do twisting aces. I never heard of the web.

It's a packaged card trick. I never cared for it - not my style.
Here's a description.


http://themagicwarehouse.com/cgi-bin/findit.pl?x_name=The-Web&x_item=LP1872

[thaiboxerken]

my wife says that I better not do that trick on her.

[Dinsdale Piranha]

my wife says that I better not do that trick on her.

Ahh, there's nothing like getting caught in a Kimura over a lousy card trick.

[firecoins]

twisting the aces was a Dai Vernon effect. You don't need to buy anything for it.