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Dr Adequate
25th March 2007, 03:35 PM
"The sun stays in the sky instead of falling down. Gravity should be pulling it down but it just stays right up there."


"Gravity: Doesn't exist. If items of mass had any impact of others, then mountains should have people orbiting them. Or the space shuttle in space should have the astronauts orbiting it. Of course, that's just the tip of the gravity myth. Think about it. Scientists want us to believe that the sun has a gravitation pull strong enough to keep a planet like neptune or pluto in orbit, but then it's not strong enough to keep the moon in orbit? Why is that? "


"oh well, okay about evolution...Using science what is newtons laws??? Stuff about gravity...am i correct? Yeah, and what was that law about something staying in motion...blah blah blah, i'm not very smart when it comes to this stuff, but i can beat any one of you hard workin studying atheist in an argument, simply because i'm right...and your wrong. It's very simple, but that gravity question...if the big bang "theory" is correct...then why is venus rotating on it's axis a different way then earth...???? Wierd wouldn't that break newtons's law for the big bang theory??? Whoops, did i just solve the case? Just call me professor."


"The image above, from A. D. Stolyar's "Origins of Representational Art" clearly shows pliestocene artwork involving a mammoth elephant stretched out in full gallop.

Another anomaly involving gravity; that could not happen today"


"Einstein said that time is relative. Relative to the gravity. So i think this is why secular scientists are misled, if there were immense gravity during the creation, then it seems millions of years to scientists, but it is not."


"So again, WHY do you accept evolution, gravity as FACT, without the proof? "


"There is less gravity at the outside of the universe than in the middle. all gravity will be pulling inwards. I have read earth is towards the centre of the universe. So what happens with the light from a, lets say, a star from the perimiter of the universe, the light will leave that star and as it gets closer to Earth, the speed will slow down. So the more gravity, the slower the speed."


"even the theory of gravity is wrong: it works in some cases, but not in others. For example, if I drop a book, then I can tell you how it falls towards the ground, but if I pick something very large or very small our theory of gravity stops working."


"There is no force of gravity when their is no air."


"When it [the moon] comes closer and closer it gets in the stronger and stronger pull of Earth’s gravity. How can it then resist that pull and start going against that attraction? Contrariwise, as it goes out to the apogee and is moment by moment breaking loose from Earth’s gravitational pull at tremendous speed, how can it stop the outward movement and start back?? If everything is attracted to everything. The entire universe should be stuck together in one big blob!"


"gravity in of itself is a joke. the way it reads you would think that objects of more mass have more gravitational pull than those of less mass, but if that is the case then why do we see the moon obiting the earth and not the sun???? or why does jupiters 'gravity' have more effect on meteors than the suns 'gravity'? scientists must be blind to these occurances...howsad..."


"The theory of evolution does not and cannot explain so much about the universe that we know. For instance, when and how did water evolve? How does it happen that gravity can hold us to the Earth, and at the same time allow us to step up without any trouble? How did it happen that the Earth is spinning at the exact rate that keeps us from feeling that movement?"


"Have you ever seen an airplane or a bird? They defy the theory of gravity. Dont' say stupid stuff..... theorys can be broken, that's why they're not laws....."


"The moon is what gives the earth its gravity pull/wind, tides. They say the moon was really close to the earth when the dinosaurs were on the earth. But if it were 1/3 closer ten it is now we would all have the ability to fly because the wind would be around 500 miles per hour. Now Im sure dinosaurs are strong beasts, but come on."


"and Maby there is no such thing as gravity but a downward compression of Air, that feels like falling, you dont know."


"The fallacies of gravity

just curious if anyone can explain these errors that many people are aware of when it comes to the theory of gravity

number 1. the way gravity reads, scientists have you think that objects of larger mass would have more of a gravitational pull then objects of smaller mass. so tell me how this makes sense

when we look at the sun we see the earth orbiting the sun, and the moon obriting the earth. if gravity were true, shouldnt our moon be orbiting the sun??? oh better yet, how come a planet way out in the distance such as neptune will orbit the sun, yet its moons will not orbit the sun??? something is wrong here, even at thise immense distances the moons will orbit the planets and not the sun, yet the suns "gravity" is strong enough supposedly to keep the planets in orbit.

number 2. why is it, only planets have orbits?? you could put a space shuttle in outter space and a astronaut will not orbit it. you could put the smallest pebbble into outter space and it will not orbit the space shuttle. why is this???? if gravity were true then surely such small objects would orbit larger ones, especially in space

number 3. on earth we see things that defy "gravity" on a daily basis. birds and airplanes for example. are you going to tell me that the gravity of the sun is strong enough to keep PLUTo in orbit but not an airplane or a little bird??????

number 4. scientists dont know how gravity works. or what it really is, and even then we see anaomolies in space that defy gravity

so my point is that gravity(like other scientifist "tHeories" is very on shaky grounds. it doesnt have the evidnece to back it up, and when examined critically it falls under the pressure(no pun intended )

show me a pebble that orbits a mountain or a bird that orbits the earth and then gravity will make sense. or better yet just show me how gravity works(if it works at all) and then maybe it will be more than just a theory

how do you evolutionsts explain gravity???"


"The earth's atmosphere also just happens to contain magnetic particles to produce gravity to keep the earth's inhabitants from floating away."


"Isaac Newton was the culprit. Newton worked before the time of the atomic theory, and more importantly, HE WAS AN ALCHEMIST. Because of his alleged proficiency in alchemy -- it was rumored that he could turn lead or other base metal into gold or silver -- the jews made him "master of the mint," because they feared a run on the Bank of England, not long after they instituted their "fractional reserve" fraud. And the trick unfortunately worked; not enough people demanded coin for their paper notes, and the Bank of England survived. Because of his prestige, Newton also became leader of the Royal Society, and his pre-atomic idea, namely that gravity was a property of matter, and not the effect of its cooling rate, became (un)scientific "dogma" in physics. In point of fact, it still misleads us, today. Dinosaurs walked like modern crocodiles do -- not upright. Peter Bros is quite correct to point out Newton's error. Like that other scientific fraud, Albert Einstein, the insidious machinations of world jewry are behind the corruption of our scientific knowledge."


"What i'm saying is, gravity works everywhere in the universe, except for the case of the earth."


"I know about gravity, and I think God pulls things to the earth. It is all in the way you look at it."


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I guess most of you have seen the Onion article on Intelligent Falling (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512).

Once more, Nature outdoes Art.

Onion article:: "Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down."

Real fundie: "I think God pulls things to the earth."

Onion article: "Gravity—which is taught to our children as a law—is founded on great gaps in understanding. The laws predict the mutual force between all bodies of mass, but they cannot explain that force.

Real fundie: "scientists dont know how gravity works. or what it really is."

Onion article: "Then, in Job 5:7, we read, 'But mankind is born to trouble, as surely as sparks fly upwards.' If gravity is pulling everything down, why do the sparks fly upwards with great surety?"

Real fundie: "Have you ever seen an airplane or a bird? They defy the theory of gravity."

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Poe was right, satire is futile.

Temporal Renegade
25th March 2007, 04:05 PM
I hope you're happy; you've just made my head explode! :D

joesixpack
25th March 2007, 04:08 PM
... Newton worked before the time of the atomic theory, and more importantly, HE WAS AN ALCHEMIST. Because of his alleged proficiency in alchemy -- it was rumored that he could turn lead or other base metal into gold or silver -- the jews made him "master of the mint," because they feared a run on the Bank of England, not long after they instituted their "fractional reserve" fraud...

Why am I not surprised that the joooos are part of this "gravity conspiracy"?

DoubtingStephen
25th March 2007, 04:17 PM
If there is some sort of limit to the ability of the human mind to hold and profess stupid ideas, it seems not to have been detected yet.

Blue Mountain
25th March 2007, 04:43 PM
Why am I not surprised that the joooos are part of this "gravity conspiracy"?
But of course ... Einstein was a Jew.

If there is some sort of limit to the ability of the human mind to hold and profess stupid ideas, it seems not to have been detected yet.
And Einstein is quoted as having said, "The Lord put limits on man's intelligence, but not on his stupidity ... and it's not fair!"

Now, a lot of the quotes (unsourced as they were) posted here by Dr. Adequate were, I think, from the lunatic fringe of the fundamentalist movement. With all sorts of people posting all sorts of stuff all over the internet, for sure some real gems are going to turn up from time to time.

I was a member of a large fundamentalist church for several years. A lot of the people I knew there weren't that stupid. Some, perhaps, were poorly schooled in science, and for sure the lot of us lacked critical thinking skills, but to say all of us were as stupid as the ones quoted in the OP is insulting.

Mobyseven
25th March 2007, 06:00 PM
That made me sad.

Slimething
25th March 2007, 07:20 PM
Food for thought! :eek:

Wowbagger
25th March 2007, 07:37 PM
Typical. No surprises here.


Same ol', same 'ol...
*yawn*



Wake me up when humans are born with the instinctual ability to understand physics, right away.

El Greco
26th March 2007, 12:32 AM
I wonder what those guys think if they ever happen to stumble upon a documentary on tachyons.

Brainache
26th March 2007, 02:09 AM
Boy these creationists are good. They can explain everything.

I'd like to see their explanation for how the Easter Bunny makes chocolate eggs. I mean is it a bodily function, or does he have a factory somewhere?

Jackalgirl
26th March 2007, 02:12 AM
Wow. Just wow.

Dr. Adequate, where did you get your Creationist (that is, non-Onion) quotes? I can't believe it's real -- though in my heart of hearts, I despair that it is true. I have to double-check it -- is that really a representative sample of Creationist "reasoning"? Good Lord (and I say that sincerely), what a waste of braintime!

MRC_Hans
26th March 2007, 02:28 AM
*snip*
I was a member of a large fundamentalist church for several years. A lot of the people I knew there weren't that stupid. Some, perhaps, were poorly schooled in science, and for sure the lot of us lacked critical thinking skills, but to say all of us were as stupid as the ones quoted in the OP is insulting.You are right, of course. However, this is what comes from lack of critical thinking. If you can dismiss science on the subject of evolution and insert your own ideas, then the leap to gravity isn't really that great.

You might even say that those creationists who accept science when it comes to astronomy, electronics, cybernetics, space exploration, etc., but reject it when it comes to biology, genetics and evolution, are entertaining some gross double standards, wheras those cited in the OP are at least logically consistent.

Hans

Mojo
26th March 2007, 02:34 AM
Dr. Adequate, where did you get your Creationist (that is, non-Onion) quotes? And why were you there?

El Greco
26th March 2007, 03:13 AM
I was a member of a large fundamentalist church for several years. A lot of the people I knew there weren't that stupid. Some, perhaps, were poorly schooled in science, and for sure the lot of us lacked critical thinking skills, but to say all of us were as stupid as the ones quoted in the OP is insulting.

First, the OP talks about Creationists, not fundamentalists in general.

Second, by your logic, it is equally insulting to say that those quoted in the OP are stupid. Maybe they're just poorly educated and lack critical thinking skills. By your own logic.

Blank
26th March 2007, 04:50 AM
Real fundie: "scientists dont know how gravity works. or what it really is."


Hey.. Isn't this atleast part correct?

Last I read up on physics, I recall gravity being kinda hard to incorporate for GUT.. Then again, my physics understanding is purely engineer level. Forget the fancy theoretical stuff. If it works, don't fix it.

Dr Adequate
26th March 2007, 05:27 AM
Hey.. Isn't this atleast part correct? Yes. But it's not an argument falsifying what we do know about gravity.

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I got these from quotes fstdt.com, I meant to credit them but forgot.

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Now take a look at the flat earth society (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1324.0) ...

This can't just be one huge trolling exercise, can it?

Or a massive lampoon on YECs?

c4ts
26th March 2007, 06:01 AM
Gravity does not exist. Otherwise baby angels couldn't fly with those tiny wings.

Blank
26th March 2007, 06:30 AM
Now take a look at the flat earth society (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1324.0) ...

This can't just be one huge trolling exercise, can it?

Or a massive lampoon on YECs?

Atleast they get 10 points for uttering the word "conspiracy" without directly implying the Jews, Free masons or other usual suspects. A lot of negative points for being [rule 8] insane.

Mobyseven
26th March 2007, 06:54 AM
I'd like to see their explanation for how the Easter Bunny makes chocolate eggs. I mean is it a bodily function, or does he have a factory somewhere?

Brainache: Destroyer of cherised childhood memories.

joesixpack
26th March 2007, 08:09 AM
"There is no force of gravity when their is no air."

...


"and Maby there is no such thing as gravity but a downward compression of Air, that feels like falling, you dont know."





I can't tell you how many times I've heard that very argument, and not excluslively from christians, either.

Oualawouzou
26th March 2007, 08:24 AM
Heck, if I recall right, the movie Armageddon (sp?) suggests this is how NASA train astronauts: lock them in a chamber, remove the air, voila ! instant zero gravity.

Which is just one of the many, many reasons this movie sucks, but that's not the point.

Complexity
26th March 2007, 08:38 AM
Thanks, Doc.

Made me sad, mostly, this side of despairing.

I've seen most of those before on www.fstdt.com (http://www.fstdt.com). Fundies Say The Darndest Things. Started by WinAce.

Why go there? I do it nearly every day to rededicate myself to reason - reading fundie gives me the chills.

Cuddles
26th March 2007, 08:38 AM
Wow. Just wow.

Dr. Adequate, where did you get your Creationist (that is, non-Onion) quotes? I can't believe it's real -- though in my heart of hearts, I despair that it is true. I have to double-check it -- is that really a representative sample of Creationist "reasoning"? Good Lord (and I say that sincerely), what a waste of braintime!

Probably not representative, but certainly not unusal. I think even most creationists will draw the line at gravity not existing. Evolution is at least fairly complex, is not generally seen on a human scale and can be hard to grasp. Anyone who doubts gravity really has problems.

I'd like to see their explanation for how the Easter Bunny makes chocolate eggs. I mean is it a bodily function, or does he have a factory somewhere?

As one of my friends once said, "Easter is the time when we celebrate that baby Jesus was the first person to discover bunny wabbits drop chocolate eggs out their bottoms".

Complexity
26th March 2007, 08:50 AM
Now, a lot of the quotes (unsourced as they were) posted here by Dr. Adequate were, I think, from the lunatic fringe of the fundamentalist movement. With all sorts of people posting all sorts of stuff all over the internet, for sure some real gems are going to turn up from time to time.


Visit www.fstdt.com (http://www.fstdt.com). Every quote there is attributed and has a link.

I'm afraid that the lunatic fringe of the fundie movement now comprises 84.72 % of the fundie movement. (I made that up, but I was being generous - I think it a higher percentage)

From time to time? That's like standing under Niagara and thinking that you might get a bit wet.

I was a member of a large fundamentalist church for several years. A lot of the people I knew there weren't that stupid. Some, perhaps, were poorly schooled in science, and for sure the lot of us lacked critical thinking skills, but to say all of us were as stupid as the ones quoted in the OP is insulting.


The fundies being quoted don't think they're stupid, either. I'm glad you escaped - I did too.

Dark Jaguar
26th March 2007, 05:30 PM
I actually talked with someone a few years ago and was surprised to find out he thought the moon didn't have any gravity because it didn't have air. This wasn't religious or anything, just ignorance on his part. I quickly corrected him and said that gravity doesn't come from air, and that if anything the presense of air (or more to the point, an atmosphere) is because of gravity. I was still pretty surprised to find out that someone in this day and age could have such a shocking lack of knowledge about such a very basic idea as gravity. I had learned in grade school that gravity was generated by ANYTHING with mass (though of course this was all newtonian teaching in school, they really never bothered with relativity). I really do not know how anyone could actually come to that conclusion, but at the time I thought it was an individual misunderstanding. I had no idea it was actually one that others had.

I will say this. I can tell the difference between being blown on and gravity. If gravity was just a high pressure wave, my hair would be blowing around, my clothes would be whipped about, and I would feel the pressure of the air pushing down on me, not to mention hear it. Any wind tunnel test should show the amount of wind it takes to actually push someone down with the same force as what we call gravity.

Did these people even take a few minutes to think about this, at all?

Foster Zygote
26th March 2007, 05:52 PM
Why, on our very own forum a fellow called 'immaterial' offered this gem in the Skepticism and the Normal thread. It was in response to a comment by jimbob that went "It looks like a scam, it violates billions of observations".

It has also been observed billions of times that metal falls to the ground if you throw it up in the air. But then someone got the idea to give the metal a certain form. And now we have pieces of metal, some weighing hundreds of tons, floating high up in the air everywhere (they're called airplanes). ;)

I asked him to explain how a C-5 violates the law of gravity. I never got a response.

Doc Daneeka
26th March 2007, 06:18 PM
That was quite the list of quotes. I do believe that the strange sensation I am feeling right now is my brain slowly seeping out of my ears. I may never recover from this thread.

Wow.

Slimething
26th March 2007, 07:08 PM
Let me also point out that scientists have never produced an air molecule either! :biggrin:

jimbob
27th March 2007, 11:19 AM
Y
Now take a look at the flat earth society (http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1324.0) ...

This can't just be one huge trolling exercise, can it?

Or a massive lampoon on YECs?

Your Answer, Dr Adequate:

this flat earth society page is fake
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

this one is real
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum//

On that thread I also posted:

You think this is a bit odd, then What do you think of Concave hollow earth theories (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth_theory#Concave_hollow_Earths)? I'd say that these were getting downright eccentric.

But alt least they do politely talk to those RE's (Round Earthers :rolleyes: ) who are on their forum, so some kudos to them, they are merely as mad as a box of frogs, otherwise seem fairly harmless.

Orangutan
27th March 2007, 01:40 PM
Let me also point out that scientists have never produced an air molecule either! :biggrin:

Lol! I'm ashamed that took me a couple of seconds to understand!

matt.tansy
27th March 2007, 02:28 PM
Great quotes, but to paraphrase from the movie Billy Madison, "Everyone in the forum is now dumber for having read it."

Alareth
27th March 2007, 06:55 PM
Boy these creationists are good. They can explain everything.

I'd like to see their explanation for how the Easter Bunny makes chocolate eggs. I mean is it a bodily function, or does he have a factory somewhere?

I don't know about the eggs, but I do know where chocolate milk comes from (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=120).

autumn1971
27th March 2007, 07:19 PM
Nearly did a spit take imagining a T Rex trying to walk like a crocodilian.

JanisChambers
27th March 2007, 08:11 PM
I am absolutely afraid of people who can think like this.

NobbyNobbs
27th March 2007, 08:27 PM
As one of my friends once said, "Easter is the time when we celebrate that baby Jesus was the first person to discover bunny wabbits drop chocolate eggs out their bottoms".

Now see, I always thought that Easter commemorated the time when Jesus, after spending three days in a hole in the ground, rose up out of the hole, saw his shadow, and had six more weeks of winter.

Taffer
29th March 2007, 11:17 PM
My head asplode. :(

Kage
30th March 2007, 10:49 AM
I am so glad that you do not have to understand gravity for it to work.
on second though, it would be nice if these people flew off into space.

becomingagodo
30th March 2007, 01:41 PM
Reading this knocked 30 points of my IQ. Also don't forget Newton was gay so they can blame gravity on the jews and the homosexuals. The perfect conspiracy.
it would be nice if these people flew off into space.
Maybe during the rapture the dumb people float up to jesus because they don't believe in gravity.

Haven't you all seen the matrix see I don't believe in gravity. Also how do you explain if you don't believe in gravity how some animals can fly. God is a prick.

aggle-rithm
30th March 2007, 02:12 PM
Boy these creationists are good. They can explain everything.

I'd like to see their explanation for how the Easter Bunny makes chocolate eggs. I mean is it a bodily function, or does he have a factory somewhere?

Don't you read the Bible? It's the chocolate gland.

Proof of intelligent design!

NobbyNobbs
30th March 2007, 10:14 PM
Don't you read the Bible? It's the chocolate gland.



Not just the gland...the whole body (http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/chocolate-jesus-exhibition-scrapped/20070329233109990001)!