Jrefers, Would you sign that petition?

[busherie]

On numeous occasions, jrefers have agreed that it would be useful to see if 9/11 was only LIHOI (out of imcompetence), or if there could be elements showing there may have been LIHOP.

The following petition calls for declassification of the july 10th meeting between Rice and Tenet, whose existence was revealed by Bob Woodward in his book in 2006

I think we all agree these documents would be very interesting...

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?july10

B

_________________

"On October 14th, 2006, Monica Gabrielle, Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg, and Patty Casazza started a petition that calls for, "the immediate declassification and release of all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice" as well as "the declassification and release of both the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI) and the CIA Inspector General’s report, "CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks".

As of right now, there are 10,012 signatures. I find it hard to believe that there aren't 15,000 people in this country that don't want these documents released.

On February 12th, Joseph Murtaugh interviewed Lorie Van Auken, and she said, “There’s no good reason for not signing this petition,” says Van Auken. “They’re just documents that help explain events leading up 9/11, and they should be in the public domain. If this petition were ever to hit 15,000 names, we’d take it to Washington. ”

[defaultdotxbe]

start a real petition and im sure lots of people here wopuld sign

[busherie]

start a real petition and im sure lots of people here wopuld sign
What's a real petition?

B

[jhunter1163]

I agree with Default. Give me a real piece of paper and I'll sign it.

[busherie]

I agree with Default. Give me a real piece of paper and I'll sign it.
But this is the internet era. Online signature will be printed in the end. I don't understand your point.

[Alareth]

But this is the internet era. Online signature will be printed in the end. I don't understand your point.

Online petions carry no real weight in a legal sense. Courts and governmental bodies ignore them. They are also prone to abuse and "signature spamming".

Actual real paper petitions with real signatures are tangible and more credible.

[busherie]

Online petions carry no real weight in a legal sense. Courts and governmental bodies ignore them. They are also prone to abuse and "signature spamming".

Actual real paper petitions with real signatures are tangible and more credible.
Okay, I see your point. However, THat might show the petitionners they should start a real petition.

So why not signing anyway?

[defaultdotxbe]

But this is the internet era. Online signature will be printed in the end. I don't understand your point.
there is no way to tell if the petition was signed by 1000 people one, or one person 1000 times, theres no way to tell if that person or persons is even an american

but hey, this is the internet era, lets hold the next presidential election on AOL polls!

Okay, I see your point. However, THat might show the petitionners they should start a real petition.

So why not signing anyway?
do you really need a peition to decide you need a petition? how did they decide they needed a petition before the internet era?

is it really that hard to print out a peice of paper and go to the mall and have people sign it?

[Oliver]

But this is the internet era. Online signature will be printed in the end. I don't understand your point.


Of course I love to read former classified stuff. Especially regarding
the 9/11 knowledge like the blacked Names within the congressional
report. How many people have to sign a petition until something
happens - and could a petition be powerful enough release classified
docs or is it just a step to push a congressional hearing?

[DarkMagician]

What's a real petition?

B

Okay, I'm done. It's all over, guys. Pack up and move out.

[Mr.D]

What's a real petition?


Which insipres me to come up with a new Troother slogan.

"9/11 Trooth - Just as stoned and antiestablishment as the hippies, only much much less effective."

[T.A.M.]

Internet petitions are useless. They are even more suseptable to abuse than internet news polls.

TAM:)

[Dr. Lao]

Online petitions are worth the paper they are printed on.

Worthless wastes of time.

[ConspiRaider]

Why is a petition necessary? Don't 86% of the American people already believe that 9/11 was an inside job?

[Pardalis]

Aren't you a MIHOPer Busherie? What about WTC7?

I'm confused.

[R.Mackey]

Out of curiosity, busherie, do you have any reason to believe the 10 July 2001 meeting between Rice and Tenet is of any significance, or are you just grasping at straws?

Seriously, what makes this one special? What about other meetings between them?

If you don't have a good reason to pick on this one, you may as well subpoena every meeting of the NSC, all e-mail traffic from the FBI, or the Yalta conference. This is not how research is done.

[The Doc]

Two words.

National Security.

[jaydeehess]

theres no way to tell if that person or persons is even an american


I'm not but busherie would have me sign.

[Babbylonian]

Which insipres me to come up with a new Troother slogan.

"9/11 Trooth - Just as stoned and antiestablishment as the hippies, only much much less effective."
How about "much much lazier?"

Seriously, I sign petitions attempting, for example, to get legalization of marijuana on the ballot all the time. Those folks manage to drag themselves away from the Internet (and, obviously, their bongs) in an attempt to get something tangible done, so I wonder why it is that I've never encountered the great and glorious "Truth" Movement in the real world?

Okay, I don't really wonder...

[parky76]

The only real 9-11 conspiracy was to cover up all the clues that they missed..all the dots they failed to connect. 9-11 was preventable and the Bush administration is guilty of criminal negligence.

[chippy]

On numeous occasions, jrefers have agreed that it would be useful to see if 9/11 was only LIHOI (out of imcompetence)....


Oh no. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE UP ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE STUPID ACRONYMS. I'm much more in favor of discussing facts than coming up with formulaic acronyms that over-generalize people's opinions.

[JimBenArm]

Oh no. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE UP ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE STUPID ACRONYMS. I'm much more in favor of discussing facts than coming up with formulaic acronyms that over-generalize people's opinions.
We could call them FATOGPO's!

[The Silver Shadow]

The last time I signed an online petition was to have Guy Goma given a job by the BBC after he was sent to the wrong interview...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Goma

[kalen]

Online petition time!! There you go!


10339. I. Havea Boner


I also signed the one where they want to give Jesus US citizenship.

[DarkMagician]

To show I'm completely convinced:
10342. Hugh G. Rection

[Gravy]

The only real 9-11 conspiracy was to cover up all the clues that they missed..all the dots they failed to connect. 9-11 was preventable and the Bush administration is guilty of criminal negligence.

When you say "Bush administration," who specifically do you mean, and what evidence of criminal negligence would you present at their trial? You don't really want to bring charges against Michael Johanns and Alphonso Jackson, do you?

[Whiplash]

Heh, reminds me of O'Reilly reading the letter from Jack Mehoffer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETVaNdkgokM).

[ConspiRaider]

When you say "Bush administration," who specifically do you mean, and what evidence of criminal negligence would you present at their trial? You don't really want to bring charges against Michael Johanns and Alphonso Jackson, do you?
Well if I could lend a hand on charging the Bush Administration with criminal negligence in this very serious matter:

Bush: Child endangerment. By not taking a running start and then flinging himself out of the classroom window as soon as Card gave him the 2nd plane news, the kiddies were in peril. Bush should have flung, rolled and ran like hell - as far away and as fast as he could, to draw any potential terrorists to him instead of near the kiddies. Unconscionable.

Cheney: Asleep at the switch. The Veep I think was snoozing at the time the Secret Service burst into his office and bundled him to the Bunker. He should have been wide awake. All of us know from experience that when we've been bundled off to safety by Secret Service, their job is much easier when you're wide awake cuz you kinda hang onto 'em. But the still-snoring Cheney was essentially dead weight. One of the bundling agents had three hernias in rapid succession during the frenzied transit. The other had to have one third of his back removed later, from overstrain.

Rummy: Rendering aid without a license. Rummy jumps out of his office and starts helping people in the Pentagon after the impact?!? With no EMT authorization card? What union was he in? And if he was an EMT trainee, where was his mentor, his supervisor? Where are the notes evaluating his response time and actions, in an actual crisis situation?

We're talking SuperMax here Gravy. Maybe Pelican Bay?

[Foolmewunz]

there is no way to tell if the petition was signed by 1000 people one, or one person 1000 times, theres no way to tell if that person or persons is even an american

but hey, this is the internet era, lets hold the next presidential election on AOL polls!


do you really need a peition to decide you need a petition? how did they decide they needed a petition before the internet era?

is it really that hard to print out a peice of paper and go to the mall and have people sign it?

Actually, you can spot the borks who aren't American because the morons identify themselves as being from other places.

There's also a real popular guy on there - Mr. "Signature Rejected", and then there's "Tom" (no address or zip code)..... and approximately 45% of the names also have no location, address, or zip.

Yep! That'll sway congress, alright!

[Big Les]

Just so we can't be accused of naysaying:

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.htm

The only online petition I'm aware of that carried any weight was the recent UK one to stop the government using GPS tracking to determine road tax levies. And that was only because:

a) It was on the government's own website!
b) The media and political opposition jumped on it.

And it will still have very little effect on the eventual form of legislation. So this one stands zero chance. As Snopes implies, these things are one up from chain letters or emails about dead grannies on car roofs.

[busherie]

Aren't you a MIHOPer Busherie? What about WTC7?

I'm confused.

Just to say it loud and clear, I'm LIHOP. However, I still have a hard time understanding WTC7 collapse. But the absence of explosions (visible or sound) leads me to favor collapse.


Out of curiosity, busherie, do you have any reason to believe the 10 July 2001 meeting between Rice and Tenet is of any significance, or are you just grasping at straws?

Seriously, what makes this one special? What about other meetings between them?

If you don't have a good reason to pick on this one, you may as well subpoena every meeting of the NSC, all e-mail traffic from the FBI, or the Yalta conference. This is not how research is done.

This is important.

The thing about the july 10th meeting is: both tenet and rice hid the fact that this meeting ever occured.

It is important since according to Woodward, who revealed it as late as 2006, upseting many people in the commission, said Rice brushed off Tenet big time. Why was she not taking it seriouly? That's the question.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/30/911-meeting/

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/washington/01cnd-book.html?ex=1317355200&en=beb29e8f20ad8f76&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

Plus: if this one was hidden, how many more were?


The only real 9-11 conspiracy was to cover up all the clues that they missed..all the dots they failed to connect. 9-11 was preventable and the Bush administration is guilty of criminal negligence.

What's the difference between negligence and deliberate negligence? The answer is needed. We know the neocons had the motive for letting 9/11 happen: isolationnists and neocons were still fighting within the government in the summer 2001. Bush didnt' know anything about foreign affairs and avoided the topic. So did some neocons and affiliates (Rice and Cheney) let 9/11 happen when they could have tried to stop it?

Oh no. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE UP ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE STUPID ACRONYMS. I'm much more in favor of discussing facts than coming up with formulaic acronyms that over-generalize people's opinions.

Well TAM made up LIHOI, and I agree it's a convenient acronym.

When you say "Bush administration," who specifically do you mean, and what evidence of criminal negligence would you present at their trial? You don't really want to bring charges against Michael Johanns and Alphonso Jackson, do you?

Top level operatives: mainly Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld. Bush himself was ignorant about all this.

But overall, the petition, altough juridically clumsy, is justified. If I were a US citizen, I'd sign it.

b

[Gravy]

Top level operatives: mainly Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld. Bush himself was ignorant about all this.


My question was for Parky, but thanks for your input. You just left out one small thing: a single shred of evidence you have against any these people.

Insert evidence here_ (You won't need more space than that)

But overall, the petition, altough juridically clumsy, is justified. If I were a US citizen, I'd sign it.

Yes, you would. And being an internet petition, your signature would have just as much effect as it does now.

So sign away! Why bother working to answer your questions when you can play pointless, childish games on the internet?

[Disbelief]

Top level operatives: mainly Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld. Bush himself was ignorant about all this.

But overall, the petition, altough juridically clumsy, is justified. If I were a US citizen, I'd sign it.

b

Who from the Clinton administration is involved then? Did the Republicans stumble upon the information in the 9 months they were in office or were they told by the Democrats that something was afoot?

I totally agree with Gravy and all the others here who ask for evidence. This is not some silly cover up for a break in, but negligent homicide of 3,000 people you are talking about. Do you not understand that?

[Alt+F4]

About 10 or 15 years ago some anti-tax group (they were opposed to rasing taxes not the kooks that say we don't have to pay taxes) organized a protest where they each mailed one tea bag to their Congress member. The point was well taken.

[busherie]

Who from the Clinton administration is involved then? Did the Republicans stumble upon the information in the 9 months they were in office or were they told by the Democrats that something was afoot?

I totally agree with Gravy and all the others here who ask for evidence. This is not some silly cover up for a break in, but negligent homicide of 3,000 people you are talking about. Do you not understand that?

Yes, it's not petty crimes we are talking about.

So yes, I understand it's about the death of 3000 innocent people.

But 9/11 enabled two wars, one of them illegal, that led to the death of not thousands, but hundreds of thousands of people, most of them innocent people.

In my mind, 1 US civilian dead = 1 Iraqi civilian dead.

If some LIHOP was involved in 9/11 happening, I think it's important to know.

My question was for Parky, but thanks for your input. You just left out one small thing: a single shred of evidence you have against any these people.

Insert evidence here_ (You won't need more space than that)

Yes, you would. And being an internet petition, your signature would have just as much effect as it does now.

So sign away! Why bother working to answer your questions when you can play pointless, childish games on the internet?

Childish games? I don't share your opinion. Yes, I enjoy doing research about 9/11. But I consider it above all very important to understand our world. It is THE turning point that has led to major significant geopolitical events. That seems important enough to understand and seek every important detail. To me, at least.

No, let's turn to the evidence thing. Obvisouly you indulge yourself in the alleged lack of evidence. For WTC, I most certainly agree. As well as for laser beams, and all other stupid theories.

Ask an inspector: he'll tell you he doesn't have the evidence until he's been able to search the suspects' home.

This is the same as the situation we face.

Let me remind you: Yes, the 9/11 CR is dug out some elements about 9/11. But it has, for many reasons (lack of time, cooperation, political backing, but also political pressure) avoided some important issues such as: the financing of 9/11, the ISI connection, the warning signs, etc...

In this context, the july 10th meeting is very important. It shows us there were meetings at top level of government, specifically dedicated to incoming threats, that were deliberately covered up.

Let the 9/11 families who asked for declassification see for themselves if this meeting (and possibly others, who knows?) can provide evidence, ie examin the LIHOI/LIHOP scenarios.

Now, you guys often say: point something wrong in the 9/11 CR. But answer this: has the commission answered all the major questions posed by 9/11?

Busherie

ETA:

the 9/11 CR did work on the financing, but clearly not thoroughly.

As for the Commission anger after the july 10th meeting was discovered read:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/09/30/911-meeting/

and also:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/washington/01cnd-book.html?ei=5090&en=beb29e8f20ad8f76&ex=1317355200&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1175523754-0Sfh21LGS/lJuTK508bQzg

[defaultdotxbe]

Actually, you can spot the borks who aren't American because the morons identify themselves as being from other places.

There's also a real popular guy on there - Mr. "Signature Rejected", and then there's "Tom" (no address or zip code)..... and approximately 45% of the names also have no location, address, or zip.

Yep! That'll sway congress, alright!
ah yes, signature rejected, which inexplicably still counts toward the total number of signatures

[Disbelief]

Yes, it's not petty crimes we are talking about.

So yes, I understand it's about the death of 3000 innocent people.

But 9/11 enabled two wars, one of them illegal, that led to the death of not thousands, but hundreds of thousands of people, most of them innocent people.

In my mind, 1 US civilian dead = 1 Iraqi civilian dead.

If some LIHOP was involved in 9/11 happening, I think it's important to know.



But you still do not answer the question about the Clinton administration.

To the wars, I agree that any death (Iraqi, American, Afghani) is a bad thing, but it still does not mean there was complicity by doing nothing. I will also disagree with you about an illegal war (I will assume you are talking about Iraq) because Desert Storm was never closed. I am a verteran of the Gulf War even though I enlisted in the AF after it was "over." The end of the war was contingent upon Saddam following through on several UN mandates, and he failed. Note, there is nowhere I said that we should have gone in.

[Gravy]

Busherie, you're doing exactly what Griffin does: blaming investigators for not addressing issues that either

1) they've already addressed; or
2) that you've invented.

You're not playing games? The June 10 meeting is a perfectly legitimate thing to want to know more about. Diddling with internet petitions is simply another way of avoiding doing real work in the real world to get your questions answered. The "truth" movement is a clinic for people who want to keep bitching and to avoid working. You will never achieve your goals that way.

So what are you going to do about it?

[Alt+F4]

Yes, it's not petty crimes we are talking about.

So yes, I understand it's about the death of 3000 innocent people.

I'm sure many people would love to see lots of documents declassified, however an Internet petition is not the way to do it.

Those who find this issue important have to organize and fundraise so they can hire a crack legal team to hit the federal government with all sorts of legal actions. They need an excellent PR firm to get word out. They need a celebrity spokesperson to work the talk shows. They need grassroots activists giving out flyers on the streets of major cities. Yikes, they probably even need a YouTube video.

Do you really think any of this is going to happen? Ask yourself why not.

[chipmunk stew]

About 10 or 15 years ago some anti-tax group (they were opposed to rasing taxes not the kooks that say we don't have to pay taxes) organized a protest where they each mailed one tea bag to their Congress member. The point was well taken.
Today, that would get you a visit from the FBI.

Are you threatening me?!?

[DarkMagician]

I'm so tempted to start an internet petition to support making internet petitions illegal.

[chipmunk stew]

I'm so tempted to start an internet petition to support making internet petitions illegal.
I'll sign it.

[chipmunk stew]

I wonder how much weight even paper petitions carry. I saw a TV show once (I think it was a Penn & Teller: BS episode) where they went to a rally of some sort to gather signatures for a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. They ended up with a lot of signatures.

Unless it reaches some pre-determined legal threshold, like the number of signatures required to get your name on an election ballot, does anyone really pay attention to petitions?

[Babbylonian]

I wonder how much weight even paper petitions carry. I saw a TV show once (I think it was a Penn & Teller: BS episode) where they went to a rally of some sort to gather signatures for a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. They ended up with a lot of signatures.

Unless it reaches some pre-determined legal threshold, like the number of signatures required to get your name on an election ballot, does anyone really pay attention to petitions?
On a local level, like perhaps trying to sway a city council in a "neighborhood issue," a petition signed by a significant percentage of a small population can be a big deal. Similarly, even a representative to Congress could probably be influenced by enough signatures from his or her district. Beyond that (and getting issues/people on an election ballot, as you noted), petitions are fluff. I suspect most non-election-related petitions are also used as a way of getting names and addresses for mailing lists.

[T.A.M.]

Yes I seem to have gotten credit/blame for the LIHOI acronym. to those annoyed...sorry. to those who like it...your welcome.

TAM:)

[Mobyseven]

About 10 or 15 years ago some anti-tax group (they were opposed to rasing taxes not the kooks that say we don't have to pay taxes) organized a protest where they each mailed one tea bag to their Congress member. The point was well taken.

:dl:

[FactCheck]

Criminal Negligence

The failure to use reasonable care to avoid consequences that threaten or harm the safety of the public and that are the foreseeable outcome of acting in a particular manner.

http://www.answers.com/topic/criminal-negligence

Ashcroft:

"Yet, Pickard testified to the 9/11 commission that when he tried to brief Ashcroft just a week later, on July 12, about the terror threat inside the United States, he got the brush-off.

"Mr. Ashcroft told you that he did not want to hear about this anymore," Democratic commission member Richard Ben-Veniste asked on April 13. "Is that correct?"

"That is correct," Pickard replied.

Testifying under oath the same day, Ashcroft categorically denied the allegation, saying, "I did never speak to him saying that I didn't want to hear about terrorism.

However, another senior FBI official tells NBC News he vividly recalls Pickard returning from the meeting that day furious that Ashcroft had cut short the terrorism briefing. This official, now retired, has talked to the 9/11 commission

NBC News has learned that commission investigators also tracked down another FBI witness at the meeting that day, Ruben Garcia, head of the Criminal Division at that time. Several sources familiar with the investigation say Garcia confirmed to the commission that Ashcroft did indeed dismiss Pickard's warnings about al-Qaida."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5271234/

Rice and Rumsfeld:

For months, Tenet had been pressing Rice to set a clear counterterrorism policy, including specific presidential orders called "findings" that would give the CIA stronger authority to conduct covert action against bin Laden. Perhaps a dramatic appearance -- Black called it an "out of cycle" session, beyond Tenet's regular weekly meeting with Rice -- would get her attention.

Tenet had been losing sleep over the recent intelligence he'd seen. There was no conclusive, smoking-gun intelligence, but there was such a huge volume of data that an intelligence officer's instinct strongly suggested that something was coming. He and Black hoped to convey the depth of their anxiety and get Rice to kick-start the government into immediate action.

He did not know when, where or how, but Tenet felt there was too much noise in the intelligence systems. Two weeks earlier, he had told Richard A. Clarke, the National Security Council's counterterrorism director: "It's my sixth sense, but I feel it coming. This is going to be the big one."

But Tenet had been having difficulty getting traction on an immediate bin Laden action plan, in part because Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld had questioned all the National Security Agency intercepts and other intelligence. Could all this be a grand deception? Rumsfeld had asked. Perhaps it was a plan to measure U.S. reactions and defenses...

...Tenet and Black felt they were not getting through to Rice. She was polite, but they felt the brush-off. President Bush had said he didn't want to swat at flies.

As they all knew, a coherent plan for covert action against bin Laden was in the pipeline, but it would take some time. In recent closed-door meetings the entire National Security Council apparatus had been considering action against bin Laden, including using a new secret weapon: the Predator unmanned aerial vehicle, or drone, that could fire Hellfire missiles to kill him or his lieutenants. It looked like a possible solution, but there was a raging debate between the CIA and the Pentagon about who would pay for it and who would have authority to shoot.

Besides, Rice seemed focused on other administration priorities, especially the ballistic missile defense system that Bush had campaigned on. She was in a different place."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093000282.html

Bush:

He took Richard Clarke out of the principles group. No good reason was given.

Nothing was done after the Aug 6th PDB. The threat was actionable in that he could have ordered the FAA to regulate hardened cockpit doors and told pilots not to open the doors for any reason. He did NOTHING. NADA, Zip Zero. There is NO evidence other than what his loyal bushies say. No plan was given to stop "Swatting flies" and find out what the chatter was about.

There is a CASE for criminal "negligence".

There is a reason the republican lead 9/11 commission didn't want to "Point fingers". The dems have said they would finish the investigation. No petition or conspiracy theory necessary. :)

[Complexity]

I am so proud that I don't know what any of those damned acronyms stand for. It looks like my mind-condom is still intact.

Stoopid twoofers.

[Foolmewunz]

Busherie,
Just in case you haven't read it clearly, there are numerous anti-CT debaters here and on other threads, who've said clearly that we aren't in the least content with how the Bush government has handled 911, both in the period prior to 911 and in the initial investigations after the deed.
I realize that that takes away your raison d'argue, as you specifically chose a screen name that you thought would anger us because all the troofer sites have us pegged as RRR(rabid rightwing Republicans), but that's the fact of it.
There are numerous areas (this being one), where I'd sign a legitimate petition to have the government release information that is being locked down for one reason or another (usually just bureaucratic empire protecting, but admittedly quite often to obfuscate things that they'd rather were unpublished).
The point everyone is making here is that an internet petition is just a few words and/or bytes and with no verification or screening process, no one is going to take it seriously.

:spjimlad:

[Dave Rogers]

I'd sign the petition, but since I'm an Englishman in England I feel it would carry little weight. Overall I think I'm a believer in LIHOIBCOAATE (Let It Happen Out of Incompetence But Covered Our A**es [1] After The Event), which seems consistent with the behaviour of the Bush administration (and most other politicians, for that matter), and I suspect that even if LIHOP is true there would have been enough pre-emptive a*** [2] covering that nothing could ever be proved; but I think it's important to make details like this public just for accountability's sake. (Not that it would ever happen in the UK until fifty years later, of course.)

Dave

[1] Note that the placement of asterisks accommodates both British and American spellings.
[2] But not this time.

[Mobyseven]

[1] Note that the placement of asterisks accommodates both British and American spellings.
[2] But not this time.

That was just beautiful...I mean, I was just watching TV with a group of friends, and we had a new addition who was worse than a five year old to watch with (we were watching Heroes, the kind of show where you really have to pay attention).

Understandably I was in a foul mood.

Until then. Hilarity. :D

Thankyou!

[busherie]

Thanks for alll the posts, most of them interesting.

I understand online petitions are kind of useless.

I also see many people here ackowledge that some criminal negligence is likely to be involved in the 9/11 attacks

Finally, I would say that it is my belief neocons in the governement (that is to say not the administration as a whole) had the motive to LIHOP, in the summer of 2001. (I know some of you will question that statement.

Further investigation might be able to conclude wether it was LIHOI or LIHOP.

Thanks for the participation: fruitful as usual.

Busherie

[Foolmewunz]

Thanks for alll the posts, most of them interesting.

I understand online petitions are kind of useless.

I also see many people here ackowledge that some criminal negligence is likely to be involved in the 9/11 attacks

Finally, I would say that it is my belief neocons in the governement (that is to say not the administration as a whole) had the motive to LIHOP, in the summer of 2001. (I know some of you will question that statement.

Further investigation might be able to conclude wether it was LIHOI or LIHOP.

Thanks for the participation: fruitful as usual.

Busherie

[George HW Bush via Dana Carvey]
Lines 1 and 2..... "Gooood!"
Lines 3 and 4 "That would be wrong. Baaaad! No one said that, especially "criminal". Please don't put words in our mouths. Nuh uh, not gonna happen! Baaaad!"
Lines 5 to 8... "Doesn't matter. You'll think what you want, we just like to make sure you don't attribute your wild accusations to us. Not gonna happen! That would be baaaad!"
[/Geroge HW Bush via Dana Carvey]

[jhunter1163]

I always sign Internet petitions as E. Normus Johnson.

[Brainache]

I always sign Internet petitions as E. Normus Johnson.

I usually sign as Dick Scratcher.

[Pipirr]

The wonderful world of online petitions!

If you would like to join in with the online petition to STOP stopsylviabrowne.com, go here (http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/stoprobert).

If you would like to sign the petition to stop STOP stopsylviabrowne.com, go here. (http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/stopslyvia)

There really is something for everybody.;)


Back on topic, I would totally sign the petition that this thread is referring to, if I thought it would make any difference at all to anything. Surely, writing to your congressperson or senator would surely be more useful. But there again, I don't have one of those, being in Canadia and all.