TELL THE TRUTH - Mos Def - Immortal Technique - Eminem

[pagan]

A jazzy beat with a message for you true believers to dig.

tD5WlQ54Sg0


:cool:

[greyleonard]

The song you're trying to link to is "Bin Laden" by Immortal Technique.
Eminem had nothing to do with creating it, asfaik. They just sampled him.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5WlQ54Sg0&eurl

[JAStewart]

Thats it, I'm convinced. Inside jawb.

If eminem and Mos Def says so, it has to be true, it just HAS to be true.

Also, isn't the term "n!gga" what one black man would say to another in jest? Since when did Bush become black? I guess that Mos Def is about as observant of Bush's skin colour as he is about 9.11.

[gumboot]

I've always felt most rappers are incredibly stupid. Now thanks to pagan I have evidence.

-Gumboot

[greyleonard]

I've always felt most rappers are incredibly stupid. Now thanks to pagan I have evidence.

Woah. That's an unfair generalization. Maybe you composed your message carelessly, because I can't detect any of your characteristic solid logic in it.

Link to lyrics (http://www.lyrics-database.org/justin-timberlake-lyrics/good-foot-lyrics/12d163ba54fcf1eb.html)

[FactCheck]

That was good! Now wheres our track?

[greyleonard]

Thats it, I'm convinced. Inside jawb.

If eminem and Mos Def says so, it has to be true, it just HAS to be true.

Also, isn't the term "n!gga" what one black man would say to another in jest? Since when did Bush become black? I guess that Mos Def is about as observant of Bush's skin colour as he is about 9.11.

Hi! :)
Don't be misled by pagan's ignorant marketing of the song - it's not saying what he thinks it does.

Jadakiss doesn't really believe Bush ordered the towers destroyed -- he says the line is a metaphor, and that Bush should take the blame for the terrorist attack because his administration didn't do enough to stop it.
"They didn't follow up on a lot of things properly," says Jadakiss. "It's the president of the United States. The buck stops with him."
www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125999,00.html

And I'll go on record saying that Mos Def is definitely not stupid and does not think Bush was responsible for 9/11 in the way that pagan would have us believe.

[Brainache]

Wait, what are you saying here? That a Truther misinterpreted something? Cherry picked a few lines that he thought sounded good for his theory and ignored the context?

That can't be right. Not our potential pulitzer prize winning Pagan...

[JAStewart]

I've always felt most rappers are incredibly stupid. Now thanks to pagan I have evidence.

-Gumboot

Gross generalization. Actually, most rappers that aren't JUST rapping about bitch's and hoe's ARE fairly intelligent and have lots of interesting lyrics.

[ref]

The new Roots album is excellenttt. Black Thought is one of the most intelligent ones. I'm tired of the money/bitch rappers, but fortunately we have many alternatives to choose from.

[TK0001]

I fell in love with the film Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (yes I know the book's better, save your keystrokes), and in turn Mos Def as an actor. I thought he was brilliant as Ford Prefect. I'm not a fan of hip hop, and I was actually shocked to discover the guy who played Ford was actually a rapper. I just thought he was an exceptional comedic actor. To learn that he's also a hip hop legend only adds to my respect for him and his abilities. No, I wouldn't put the word "stupid" anywhere near Mos Def's name.

Oh, did I mention I'm lilly white?

[insomneac]

He also did well in "Something the Lord Made" with Alan Rickman.

[Childlike Empress]

Wait, what are you saying here? That a Truther misinterpreted something? Cherry picked a few lines that he thought sounded good for his theory and ignored the context?

That can't be right. Not our potential pulitzer prize winning Pagan...


Correct. greyleonard messed it up. Wrong song. That's the Jadakiss song ("superclean version" - the line in question is censored):

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Immortal Technique certainly believes that The Illuminati™ are behind 9/11. Apparently Paris agrees (WARNING - NSFW):

UC8Zrtah1AQ

[greyleonard]

Brainache: Wait, what are you saying here? That a Truther misinterpreted something? Cherry picked a few lines that he thought sounded good for his theory and ignored the context?

Correct. greyleonard messed it up. Wrong song.

Woah, again.
1. I'm not a Truther
2. Jadakis is on record saying that he doesn't believe bush directed the towers to be destroyed. The interview I linked to was discussing a different song, but the same topic.
3. We can't take lyrics of songs as declarations of the artist's "real life" feelings.

[Childlike Empress]

Woah, again.
1. I'm not a Truther
2. Jadakis is on record saying that he doesn't believe bush directed the towers to be destroyed. The interview I linked to was discussing a different song, but the same topic.
3. We can't take lyrics of songs as declarations of the artist's "real life" feelings.


ad 1: But you obviously like quote-mining. Where is Brainache's "That can't be right. Not our potential pulitzer prize winning Pagan..."?

ad 2: You said: "Don't be misled by pagan's ignorant marketing of the song - it's not saying what he thinks it does."

ad 3: I don't know about Mos Def (i'm absolutely not into HipHop) but i listened to enough Immortal Technique songs (two or three) to know his "feelings" about 9/11.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

A jazzy beat with a message for you true believers to dig.

tD5WlQ54Sg0


:cool:
Fallacious appeal to authority (http://www.galilean-library.org/int16.html#ad_vericundiam).

[greyleonard]

ad 1: But you obviously like quote-mining. Where is Brainache's "That can't be right. Not our potential pulitzer prize winning Pagan..."?

ad 2: You said: "Don't be misled by pagan's ignorant marketing of the song - it's not saying what he thinks it does."

ad 3: I don't know about Mos Def (i'm absolutely not into HipHop) but i listened to enough Immortal Technique songs (two or three) to know his "feelings" about 9/11.

You gotta be kidding me.
The wording of your reply, "Correct. greyleonard messed it up. Wrong song...." indicates that you were affirming Brainache's rhetorical question, but mistaking me for a Truther & someone who cherry picked lines to avoid dealing with their context. It appeared that you were the one who didn't notice that Brainache was referring to Pagan.

My supplying a link to the full lyrics of the OP song and linking to an interview in which the artist states his actual feelings about the issue doesn't support your assertion that I "obviously like quote-mining", does it? My limited quote of Brainache's post didn't change the intended meaning of his post at all.
Sorry if I misunderstood your initial reply.

[Childlike Empress]

You gotta be kidding me.
The wording of your reply, "Correct. greyleonard messed it up. Wrong song...." indicates that you were affirming Brainache's rhetorical question, but mistaking me for a Truther & someone who cherry picked lines to avoid dealing with their context. It appeared that you were the one who didn't notice that Brainache was referring to Pagan.

My supplying a link to the full lyrics of the OP song and linking to an interview in which the artist states his actual feelings about the issue doesn't support your assertion that I "obviously like quote-mining", does it? My limited quote of Brainache's post didn't change the intended meaning of his post at all.
Sorry if I misunderstood your initial reply.

Pagan misled noone. You misled Brainache. AND you misunderstood my reply. Now get over it. Gee... :rolleyes:

[negativ]

Here's one for pagan, from everyone's favorite New Traditionalists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devo):


Pity you
You're telling me you've got a problem
A nervous sort of contraction
A mindless kind of reaction
You never get no satisfaction

Here's to you
I know you really got a problem
A nasty kind of reflection
A dangerous sort of destruction

That makes it difficult
Makes it hard to reach
Takes it all away
From what you had in mind
Yeah yeah yeah

A nervous kind of distraction
A nasty sort of contraction
But there's some big fat point
That you seem to be missing
And it's driving you to destruction

But it doesn't seem
To stop you in the least
Or halt this obsession got you
Going on back
Week after week
Day after day
Hour after hour
From where you came
For more of the same

[greyleonard]

Pagan misled noone.

I never said pagan misled anyone, I urged someone not to be misled by pagan, and provided a link for explanatory context.

You misled Brainache.

Has Brainache told you that? I'm curious where you'd get that idea.

AND you misunderstood my reply. Now get over it. Gee... :rolleyes:

I took your word for it that you weren't referring to me, preemptively apologized for misinterpreting your post, and it will be my pleasure to get over your poorly constructed and misleading initial reply.
:catfight:

[pagan]

Childlike empress: This is excatly the same kind of BS we truthers have to endure everyday on this site.

[pagan]

Fallacious appeal to authority (http://www.galilean-library.org/int16.html#ad_vericundiam).

Guilty as charged.:p

[pagan]

That was good! Now wheres our track?

Something for you true believers? I am sure the corporate music industry could produce some crap. If they paid very well. :D

A country choir singing: "Stand behind your President" ?

[chipmunk stew]

Childlike empress: This is excatly the same kind of BS we truthers have to endure everyday on this site.
:v:

[pagan]

No, I wouldn't put the word "stupid" anywhere near Mos Def's name.



Agreed, he is a man with a certain gravitas.

[T.A.M.]

Something for you true believers? I am sure the corporate music industry could produce some crap. If they paid very well. :D

A country choir singing: "Stand behind your President" ?

being hip and urban, and "with it" doesnt make you right...and being country with a "twang" doesnt make you wrong...

Neither necessarily make you stupid.

TAM:)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Something for you true believers? I am sure the corporate music industry could produce some crap. If they paid very well. :D

A country choir singing: "Stand behind your President" ?
Here's one for you pagan:
http://music.yahoo.com/track/771271

[Brainache]

Now I'm confused again.
Time for my morning coffee I guess.

[uk_dave]

Here's one for you pagan:
http://music.yahoo.com/track/771271

I think Pagan would appreciate this one much more.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpc8-2qdlkA

"when I am king you'll be first against the wall....."

...that's how it works, right?

[FactCheck]

Something for you true believers? I am sure the corporate music industry could produce some crap. If they paid very well. :D

A country choir singing: "Stand behind your President" ?Sorry but I'm from the lower deck of NY. I can't stand Bush. I also hate lies which is why I can't stand conspiracy theorists.

This may suck but at least "it's da realz."

Bin Ladin flew planes in the towers
Fetzer uses fear for the cowards
Tell'n stories for fame, is the game fetzer's play'n
use'n fools like you as crack whoes to be abused
open up ya wallet let dada Alex Jones in
while ya at it, give Griffin the rest of ya ends
you said the steel couldn't melt, as if it had too
It fell from being weak, like your weak a$$ crew
You run around sayin the buildins blew up
but the only thing blow'n up is me on dis cut
I drop more scienice than Einstien in heaven
Your credibility dropped fasta than building 7
fake a$$ stories for ya fake a$$ glory
you still liv'n whit your moms and your push'n 40
Bin Ladin flew planes in the towers
Fetzer uses fear for the cowards

[Pardalis]

Guilty as charged.:p

Then you agree that the point you were trying to make by bringing this music video up as somekind of an argument, if there was any, is worthless.

Noted.

298

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Here's one for you pagan:
http://music.yahoo.com/track/771271
I fear I was too subtle. The name of the song to which I linked is Strawman.

[pagan]

Now I'm confused again.
Time for my morning coffee I guess.

I feel for you dude. Getting the truth can be quite a shock to your system if you belong to the true believers of the Dubya CT or are just being gullible in general.
Getting out of lala-land can be quite confusing.

[pagan]

I fear I was too subtle. The name of the song to which I linked is Strawman.

Yes, I think you are right.

I like it more when da truth comes down like a hammer, strong and indeniable, like in this superb video.

BUSH KNOCKED DOWN THE TOWERS.

Good rap and good video. Admit it.

[pagan]

I think Pagan would appreciate this one much more.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpc8-2qdlkA

"when I am king you'll be first against the wall....."

...that's how it works, right?

Raidohead is not a bad band. But, it is a lot of guitar faggotry.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Raidohead is not a bad band. But, it is a lot of guitar faggotry.
Guitars have neither gender, nor sexual orientation. Your sentence fragment makes no sense.

[pagan]

Guitars have neither gender, nor sexual orientation. Your sentence fragment makes no sense.

You've never heard this expression?

The greatest rock guitar player ever was Hendrix, none other comes even close. Ok, Clapton was good.

After that all white bands got this complex, not the blacks. They went on with soul, r n' b, hip hop and rap.

This guitar "faggotry" is still present in white bands. It is a common expression, most notable in metal.

[strathmeyer]

Guitars have neither gender, nor sexual orientation. Your sentence fragment makes no sense.

1) Everything has gender, especially things that don't.
2) In order to look tough on the internet, you need to learn what a sentence fragment is.

[Pardalis]

Well, in French everything has a gender.

;)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You've never heard this expression?

The greatest rock guitar player ever was Hendrix, none other comes even close. Ok, Clapton was good.

After that all white bands got this complex, not the blacks. They went on with soul, r n' b, hip hop and rap.

This guitar "faggotry" is still present in white bands. It is a common expression, most notable in metal.
Don't try to snowjob me, I don't appreciate it:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=faggotry

[pagan]

Don't try to snowjob me, I don't appreciate it:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=faggotry

What do you want to say?

Of course, guitar faggotry is a negative term. It is meant to be.

It doesn't have to mean that gay people are bad. I don't mind gay people.

Please, don't make this into a q of discrimination.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

What do you want to say?

Of course, guitar faggotry is a negative term. It is meant to be.

It doesn't have to mean that gay people are bad. I don't mind gay people.

Please, don't make this into a q of discrimination.
You're using a derogatory phrase that contains a word that has strong sexually derogatory connotations; how else are we supposed to take it?

[Alt+F4]

Where's the link to the "N!ggas for 9/11 Truth" group?

[HyJinX]

Don't try to snowjob me, I don't appreciate it:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=faggotry

Possibly #4 and/or #5 are applicable.

Did I just defend Pagan?...WTF.

[Hokulele]

<snip> After that all white bands got this complex, not the blacks. <snip>


James Taylor Quartet (http://www.jtq.co.uk/main.html)

Although known mainly for the Hammond, the guitarist and bassist in this group rock.

[uk_dave]

christ! I only posted a radiohead video and suddenly guitar playng can be fagotty or something.

Pagan, just remember 'your hitler hairdo makes me feel ill' ok?

[cloudshipsrule]

Interesting thread. But let's keep it real guys/girls. We all know Rap isn't really music. :)

[Pardalis]

christ! I only posted a radiohead video and suddenly guitar playng can be fagotty or something.

Pagan, just remember 'your hitler hairdo makes me feel ill' ok?

Johnny Greenwood plays the piano in that one. ;)

[Childlike Empress]

Interesting thread. But let's keep it real guys/girls. We all know Rap isn't really music. :)


:g1: Big Country Songwriter Comes out for 9/11 Truth (http://www.911blogger.com/node/7613) :g1:

;)

[cloudshipsrule]

Sweet!

[uk_dave]

:g1: Big Country Songwriter Comes out for 9/11 Truth (http://www.911blogger.com/node/7613) :g1:

;)

Even better. I ****ing hate country music.

[ref]

Interesting thread. But let's keep it real guys/girls. We all know Rap isn't really music. :)

Hey, watch it ;)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

:g1: Big Country Songwriter Comes out for 9/11 Truth (http://www.911blogger.com/node/7613) :g1:

;)
Wow, more fallacious appeals to authority. Whoda thunkit?

[T.A.M.]

well hey if a country music songwriter believes it...then it must have been an inside job...

TAM;)

[Brainache]

Come on people, we know there is only one true Truth song. Sing it with me!

OOOOOH whether it's LIHOP or whether it's MIHOP
We need to know the truth and make this war stop...

[chipmunk stew]

You've never heard this expression?

The greatest rock guitar player ever was Hendrix, none other comes even close. Ok, Clapton was good.

After that all white bands got this complex, not the blacks. They went on with soul, r n' b, hip hop and rap.

This guitar "faggotry" is still present in white bands. It is a common expression, most notable in metal.

Your music history sucks, and your simplistic, segregationalist stereotyping of "white bands" and "blacks" should embarrass you.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Come on people, we know there is only one true Truth song. Sing it with me!

OOOOOH whether it's LIHOP or whether it's MIHOP
We need to know the truth and make this war stop...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/kyle.jpg

[Brainache]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/kyle.jpg

Ahh the good old days.

[pagan]

Country music? I love country music.

Dan Tyler – Nashville songwriter, recording artist, performer and novelist. His songs have become hits for LeAnn Rimes, Kenny Rogers, The Oak Ridge Boys, Eddie Arnold, B.J. Thomas, Eddie Rabbit, The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, and many others. Author of Music City Confidential (http://www.amazon.com/Music-City-Confidential-Dan-Tyler/dp/1886371369/ref=sr_1_12/102-6860534-7631352?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175285283&sr=1-12) (1996).
Statement to this website 4/5/07: "The importance of the 9/11 truth movement cannot be overstated. Like me, millions of patriotic Americans question the official explanation of the attacks. The questions and the number of citizens asking them will increase until a tipping point is reached and a new, aggressive investigation initiated.

From this new inquiry truths will emerge which will shake this country to its foundations and, hopefully, restore our constitutional democracy. Until that happy day arrives, however, the powerful forces aligned against 9/11 truth will fight with fury and abandon. We must be strong and resolute and take inspiration from apostles of peace like Gandhi and King. At the most basic level, the struggle is love versus fear.

As a Christian, I pray we are witnessing the last days of the corporate imperial war machine, which, desperate for new battles and the energy resources to power itself, finally went too far and self-destructed in an orgy of lies, chaos and death. This monster’s dying throes will be terrible to behold, but do not doubt the historical significance of the events playing out before us. Future generations will thank those who had the courage to face the dragon and slay it with the sword of truth.

As a songwriter, I turn phrases for a living. I’ll leave you with this one: From seeds of doubt, flowers of truth will sprout. Be strong, brothers and sisters. We shall prevail! "


Website: http://dantyler.net/index.asp (http://dantyler.net/index.asp)
http://patriotsquestion911.com/media.html#Tyler

[Brainache]

So now we have Redneck Hillbillies for Truth. Yeehaw!

I still think there is at least one subculture not represented, where are all the Jews for 9/11 Truth?

How about the Jihadists For Truth? Don't see too many of them either.

[Redtail]

You've never heard this expression?

The greatest rock guitar player ever was Hendrix, none other comes even close. Ok, Clapton was good.

After that all white bands got this complex, not the blacks. They went on with soul, r n' b, hip hop and rap.

This guitar "faggotry" is still present in white bands. It is a common expression, most notable in metal.

Ok, I don't know WTH you're talking about, I know a lot of guitar palyers rock and otherwise and I've never heard that term. I do have to give you points for separating Hip Hop and Rap though. Very good.

[westprog]

Accidental double post

[westprog]

christ! I only posted a radiohead video and suddenly guitar playng can be fagotty or something.

Pagan, just remember 'your hitler hairdo makes me feel ill' ok?

This is something that's been a dividing line between US and UK music for a generation now. When the Jam played the USA, with short hair and suits, they were abused as "faggots" by people with shoulder length hair and floral shirts. Radiohead are that kind of UK band. Still popular in the USA, though, unlike most other UK bands of the last ten years.

[Childlike Empress]

Wow, more fallacious appeals to authority.


You name it! :D Well Arkan, you seem so demure but i know what's your problem: All this Rap/Rock/Country-Stuff is simply to rigid for you. You need a nice, fluffy Offbeat to warm up with da 9/11 truth. Accept the accordion's authority:

zazubDthMiY

[chipmunk stew]

You name it! :D Well Arkan, you seem so demure but i know what's your problem: All this Rap/Rock/Country-Stuff is simply to rigid for you. You need a nice, fluffy Offbeat to warm up with da 9/11 truth. Accept the accordion's authority:

zazubDthMiY
I don't get it... Was it the aliens?

[Childlike Empress]

I don't get it... Was it the aliens?


Hehe, no, the aliens in the video aren't directly connected to the lyrics. They complain about how they aren't able to find a place where they can interact with their fellow humans in love because the "sphere of power" is out to divide and separate us all. Not directly connected to anything (is there anything at all?) in this thread but i posted it for Arkan and because i can. And i love the band. They are sooo cute. :)