WTC#7 - Black is White (George Orwell)

[GodSend]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what a Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely (or just about) devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

[e^n]

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

So where can I find a paper on the explosive demolition collapse theory? More exactly, because I disagree with the assertions presented by the conspiracy theorists I am somehow either completely devoid of intelligence or brainwashed?

I challenge you to prove that statement, pick any topic you feel I am too devoid of intelligence to debate, or any self-evidence proof I can give, I feel your slanderous characterisations of non-CTs is rather poor form from someone who surely believes in "Judge not lest ye be judged".

[Horatius]

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.




Black is white, pull is push. Got it!

And this isn't a black cat:

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It's a black and white cat!


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[OPECOILER]

Look at a REAL demolition, like the destruction of the Landmark Tower here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ


See if there's any resemblance at all to the collapse of WTC7.

Now consider the fact that to prepare a building for controlled demolition the crew has to literally strip it down to the bone. Could such an operation be kept secret? Could demolition workers hide their work from the hundreds if not more people who worked in WTC7 every day?

[DarkMagician]

Wow, everything from #3 on is completely and utterly wrong, and #2's sort of iffy.

[ref]

This has been discussed a billion times. Those are all lies.

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7___silverstein.html
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

Go through those links and come back. We don't want to say all the same things again and again, when you can read it yourself.

You should come back with some real evidence, if you still continue to believe what you just stated.

[ref]

When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push

:rolleyes:

[Rika]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

Well. Considering that two buildings went down right next to it? I'd be surprised it took a long time.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

And the 18 story hole debris from WTC2 inflicted did nothing then?


4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

"Silverstein's spokesperson, Dara McQuillan, said in September 2005 that by "pull it" Silverstein was referring to the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building, and confirming that they should evacuate the premises."

8. Unless you are blind, are completely devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

:dl:

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

KSM, and the other hijackers, I'd say.

[ref]

And the 18 story hole debris from WTC2 inflicted did nothing then?

WTC 1 my friend :)



KSM, and the other hijackers, I'd say.

KSM was not a hijacker, more of a planner.


Just a couple of remarks :)

[GodSend]

e^n:

Google the Web. There are MANY sites that thoroughly cover all the gory details of CD theory and practice - with videos!

If you saw a video of the collapse and you still believe any other explanation, you fall into one (or more) of the 3 categories above. It has been proven that people can be made to 'believe' and openly 'profess' that Black is White - literally. Do some research on the Web and you'll find the evidence.

There is no slander - it's simply the truth :)

[MetalPig]

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building.
What is a 'random fire'?

[HyJinX]

Cat fight...?

[ref]

GodSend. Read those linked pages. Then come back.

[DarkMagician]

There is no slanderjust libel. :gear_grin:

[westprog]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

In which case, it should be relatively easy to produce a detailed analysis by a demolition expert, showing that WTC7 must have been demolished. This will of course be based on a reasonably rigorous examination of all the evidence. In particular, it shouldn't involve an instant judgement based on a single viewing of one video, as in the Jowenko case.

Bear in mind that if the case is as strong as stated, it will be more likely to convince experts than laymen. They will look at the data and quickly decide - yes, WTC7 didn't suffer immense damage. There weren't massive fires. The firemen who said that the building was going to collapse were either mistaken or lying. And so on.

It will be necessary for this analysis to deal in detail with the views of other experts and to convincingly rebut them point by point.

So let the silent listeners in cyberspace judge. Rosie O'Donnell, who has the platform and funds to hire such an independent expery, has not done so. Nor has any conspiracy believer. The only explanation that I can think of is that they know what the results would be.

N.B. I know that the CT response will be "What about Jowenko". When Jowenko publishes a detailed paper, rather than an on video off the cuff response, he'll be taken seriously.

[e^n]

If you saw a video of the collapse and you still believe any other explanation, you fall into one (or more) of the 3 categories above. It has been proven that people can be made to 'believe' and openly 'profess' that Black is White - literally. Do some research on the Web and you'll find the evidence.

There is no slander - it's simply the truth :)

You claim that I am brainwashed or somehow functionally impaired, I ask you to prove this.

[DarkMagician]

What is a 'random fire'?

It's a fire that comes out of friggin nowhere, randomly. It then goes out randomly, and it spreads randomly, not following rules of flammable objects.

[GodSend]

To all you listeners:

What follows now from other posters is nothing but noise. The best thing to do about bothersome noise is to shut the window and ignore it! ;) To SEE is to BELIEVE :)

Remember: IT'S SIMPLE.

[The Doc]

Why, oh why! Must we deal with the same theories that have been thoroughly debunked OVER AND OVER.

[GodSend]

e^n:

You are in the process of proving it ;)

[stateofgrace]

To all you listeners:

What follows now from other posters is nothing but noise. The best thing to do about bothersome noise is to shut the window and ignore it! ;) To SEE is to BELIEVE :)

Remember: IT'S SIMPLE.

Indeed, offering the same debunked rubbish over and over again is nothing but noise and best ignored.

Consider it ignored.

[Rika]

Ah, thanks for the corrections. That said, ignoring posts that disprove your statements,unsulting them? Truly, the hallmark of a great debater troother.

So, since this thread is going no where fast..

Have a jedi kitten.

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[GodSend]

The simple truth is powerful and awesome. It just stands there and all the lies bounce off of it and evaporate :)

[Horatius]

Cat fight...?

You're on!

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[kookbreaker]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

Been Done.


2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.


How doyou mean ' a few'?


3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building.


Wrong. This was debunked ages ago.


No planes hit the building.


But two larger buildings full of flaming debris did.


4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.


And they don't look like that, and they leave a lot of debris. What magic are you invoking to make this claim?


5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.


Which is exactly why someone didn't do this. Planting charges take time and leaves stuff behind.


6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!


What I saw was the building collapse after burning for seven hours.


7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.


He was talking to firefighters. Are you saying NY firefighters planted explosives?


8. Unless you are blind, are completely devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.


On the contrary, I know nothing of the sort. But that's because I've seen more evidence than you and have a much greater ability to figure things out.


9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)


Your mind is quite limited and weak if that is the only question you come up with after the lauhgbale (and long debunked) assumptions you have made above.


10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!


Oh boy! Yet another troother who thinks he was the only one to read a book by Orwell.


Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

Simple answers are for simple minds.

[HyJinX]

I call Troll on our little David Koresh wannabe here. GodSend offers nothing in the way of meaningful debate, logic or constructive critique. He's simply here to conduct "hit and run" twoofing. All we'll be doing is hashing up 1000's of posts in order to get minimal worthless responses.

Not productive, IMHO.

[ZouPrime]

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

Again?

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

All big building will collapse uniformly and in a few seconds. Without quantitative measurement this statement is meaningless.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.
The building was severily hit on multiple, adjacent floors. There are picture around clearly showing that. This is far, far from "a few random fires in isolated areas".

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

Statement of belief, not evidence.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

Why do you believe that you have the necessary expertise and knowledge to actually interpret what you saw? What is the basis of your analysis?

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

If you say it, that must be true!

8. Unless you are blind, are completely devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!
Sure pal.

[pagan]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!


Good post, Godsend.

Even if I am a pagan, I love you.

[GodSend]

Love those cats :) How about some dogs, birds and bunnies?

[VespaGuy]

This has been debunked to death, but I'm bored, so...

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

Done.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

Yup. Gravity's a bitch. How long is a few seconds? Are you counting the penthouse? How long should it have taken?


3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building.

WHat's a random fire? And what were they isolated by? The building burned all day.

No planes hit the building.

That's not the same as saying that the building wasn't damaged. Are you purposely trying to mislead?

The building had major structural damage from falling debris.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

Circular logic at it's best!

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

You mean someone wired the building? Cut through sheetrock? Exposed and cut beams? Repainted the walls? In an occupied building?

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

Right. Don't listen to the doctor when he tells you you're pregnant Godsend, because YOU know it's a tumor.

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

Pull means push. Got it.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

So (with the exception of a small handful), all of the structural engineers and demolition experts in the world are blind, dumb, or in on it?

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

Only for you.

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

Are you really that simple? YES, YOU ARE!

[pagan]

Love those cats :) How about some dogs, birds and bunnies?

Love them too, mate.

[R.Mackey]

How many times have we had to endure this crap? "Just use your EYES, man!" Yeah. And see the world's biggest waste of explosives, namely to "demo" a building that was well on its way to collapsing already. Silent, fireproof explosives, at that. Oh, and explosives that didn't leave any shockwaves or propel any debris. Or leave any residue.

sigh.

I firmly support the cat pictures in this case. Here's one:

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[TellyKNeasuss]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

And how long should it have taken? Is there a reason why gravity should act differently if the collapse was initiated by explosive vs. if the collapse was initiated by structural damage due to the impact from the towers and fires?

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.I note that there were wide-spread fires.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.Circular reasoning.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.Proof of this?

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!No dispute here. I saw a building collapse due to extensive damage from the collapse of neighboring buildings.

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.Proof of this?

8. Unless you are blind, are completely devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.Proof of this?

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)The only remaining question is why do you believe something that you apparently can't offer any evidence in support of.

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!OK, so I don't know what color chartruese is.

[Freddy]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely (or just about) devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!


Ooh, are we having a falsehood stating contest? My turn! Godsend is a brilliant man, and is certainly not a neo-Nazi scumbag.

[Horatius]

Love them too, mate.



Happy to oblige!


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[GodSend]

pagan:

Thanks! :)

Let's just continue to unravel that big ball of deceptive yarn and expose the liars for who they really are - and what their agenda is. We can each have our own views on other matters and live in peace :)

[Brainache]

Good post, Godsend.

Even if I am a pagan, I love you.

Well there's your problem Pagan. You think this maroon makes sense. How can this be? Every single point in his little diatribe is absolute bollocks, even you should be able to see that by now.

This has nothing to do with politics BTW, it is all about the science. Unless you think GWB is magic, there is no way to support these lunatic ideas.

[ZouPrime]

Let's just continue to unravel that big ball of deceptive yarn and expose the liars for who they really are - and what their agenda is. We can each have our own views on other matters and live in peace :)
Tell me, what are you unravelling exactly? Out of the 10 points you posted in your OP, only maybe 3 or 4 are actually arguments while the others are random statements. And while plenty of people took the time to answer you and direct you to other threads discussing the same subject, you choose to ignore them, calling them "noise".

I'm sorry, but you seem the one to be completely blinded by your beliefs and incapable to reconsider them.

[Belz...]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

Well I can't answer that, but I can tell you that the conclusion isn't YOUR conclusion.

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

Yes, here's some advice. Godsend's upcoming "arguments" are mostly flat out lies.

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

Okay, that one isn't a lie.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

What's "a few" seconds ? 5 ? 60 ? How few is too few ?

How is the collapse uniform ? The mechanical penthouse started to collapse first, and then the building fell, not into its own footprint, but damaging nearby buildings. So what's uniform about it ?

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

Don't forget the pink elephant sitting on the roof. Inventing facts is so much fun.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition.

How is that "advice" ? He's TELLING people what to think. There is NO evidence of a controlled demolition. There was no explosion, no loud series of noises, no traces of explosives, and no time to plant them. But even more telling is the fact that we have an alternate explanation that fits the facts: a 110-storey flaming building fell on it.

Don't know what Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

Yes, indeed. Do you know that Jupiter looks like a star, from the Earth ? Yes, indeed. Jupiter is just one faint point of light in the sky. So how come those "experts" tell us it's a planet ? Don't be fooled!

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

And considering it would take months to do this -- and only IF the building was previously emptied of all non-structural content -- it rules out a demolition.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

No, but we might need them to explain to us exactly what happened.

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it"

Which he never said. Truthers love to misquote this part. He said THEY [the fire department] made the decision. Since when do firemen blow up buildings ?

he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

Did he ? Is he a psychic ? No ? Well, I guess we're going to have to look at the sentence's context. And when you do, you'll notice, gentle readers, that the "it" was the team of firemen who were at the site.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely (or just about) devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

And therefore do not need Godsend's "advice", so why is he giving it to you ?

See, truthers, like all conspiracy theorists and woos, are incapable of differentiating their perceptions from reality. Therefore, they always believe that their conclusions are self-evident. When they see that other people disagree, there is only one possible explanation: they are either stupid, deluded or in on the conspiracy. Otherwise how could they not "see" it ? It never dawns on these people that there remains one, far simpler explanation, than to assume the universe is against you. But the leap to that explanation is too much for them.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

Unfortunately, we're not there yet, because all we have so far is far from convincing. First, we'd need actual physical evidence, and a coherent theory of how this could happen.

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White.

Again with the paranoid delusion. If they don't agree, they've been brainwashed. Brainwashed how ? By whom ? Even in other countries ? Does Godsend even know that people from abroad participate in this forum ?

Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?!

Now he's assuming his conclusion. He has no evidence that you are brainwashed; no evidence that 7 WTC was demolished; no evidence that the US government is in any way responsible for that tragedy. But he keeps claiming that it's true. Does that seem rational ?

Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

I hate 1984, because it is used as "evidence" by conspiracy theorists. The mere FACT that this novel exists is, somehow, proof that they are correct. When you ask someone for examples of a particular type of historical event, and they name a movie or other work of fiction, the smart thing to do is to nod and walk away.

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

Just because he says so, doesn't mean it's true.

[HyJinX]

You're on!

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Bring it...grasshopper!

[Belz...]

And the 18 story hole debris from WTC2 inflicted did nothing then?

Correction, that was 1 WTC, and it now looks like it was more like 40+ stories.

[Belz...]

There is no slander - it's simply the truth :)

Now he's trying to say that accusing thousands of people of beign responsible, willingly, for either participating or covering up the murder of 3000people, is not slander, or libel. Does that seem rational ?

[Belz...]

To all you listeners:

What follows now from other posters is nothing but noise. The best thing to do about bothersome noise is to shut the window and ignore it! ;) To SEE is to BELIEVE :)

Remember: IT'S SIMPLE.

Here, folks, he's trying to ask you to stop reading the other posts, because he knows this will create doubt; that he theories might not be correct. Like a religious fundamentalist, he doesn't want you to think, lest you discover some flaw in his "argument".

[GodSend]

Dear Listeners:

Isn't it hilarious to see all those 'official' troothers falling all over themselves to debunk the simple truth that just refuses to be debunked. Reminds me of Don Quixote having a 'Go' at those windmills ;) The simple truth CANNOT be debunked, no matter how hard you try or what methods you use! Like the spontaneous collapse of WTC#7 - it's an IMPOSSIBILITY :eek:

Enjoy the show ;) The pet pics are great, too!

[Arus808]

Bring it...grasshopper!


no, Darth Maul will own your 4%$^$

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[ZouPrime]

Dear Listeners:

You can't seriously believe that the lurkers are going to find your OP convincing.

You must be new here.

[DarkMagician]

Dear Listeners:

Isn't it hilarious to see all those 'official' troothers falling all over themselves to debunk the simple truth that just refuses to be debunked. Reminds me of Don Quixote having a 'Go' at those windmills ;) The simple truth CANNOT be debunked, no matter how hard you try or what methods you use! Like the spontaneous collapse of WTC#7 - it's an IMPOSSIBILITY :eek:

Enjoy the show ;) The pet pics are great, too!

Wow, you just continue to be wrong. Do you have a failure fetish or what?

[GodSend]

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free"

[Arus808]

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free"


unfortunately, you're bound and shackled by the lies of the 911 Truth Movement.

[Brainache]

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free"

So I see you are still locked in a cage of ignorance then Godsend.

[GodSend]

Hey, Dark Magician:

Saying I'm wrong does not make it so! Now who, in their right mind, would trust a Dark Magician to tell the truth?! :eek:

Put that in your cauldron and drink it ;)

[ZouPrime]

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free"
Maybe. But the opposite isn't true. It's not because you feel free that you are actually in the truth.

(there's actually a great quote in The Name Of The Rose about this, it's a shame I don't have a copy around)

[DarkMagician]

Hey, Dark Magician:

Saying I'm wrong does not make it so!

Correct, you being wrong makes it so.

[ZouPrime]

Saying I'm wrong does not make it so!
No, but pointing out your errors while providing links and evidences in support actually does the trick. Oh, maybe not for you, but the average lurker prefer that to random rambling.

[kookbreaker]

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free"

Please, you are not giving out 'truth', you are giving out 'TRVTH': the artificial flavored nonsense product distilled from lies and deceipt. Its spread on toast by snake-oil salesmen and fundamentalist clowns trying to hide any taste of substance from their own sense of smugness and inflated self-worth. 10 out of 10 screaming christian clowns can't tell the difference, maybe becuase they're screaming so much.

TRVTH!: Not in your grocer's freezer, try the vomitorium!

[aggle-rithm]

Saying I'm wrong does not make it so!

No, but not being right does.

[humingbrd]

Dear Listeners:

Isn't it hilarious to see all those 'official' troothers falling all over themselves to debunk the simple truth that just refuses to be debunked. Reminds me of Don Quixote having a 'Go' at those windmills ;) The simple truth CANNOT be debunked, no matter how hard you try or what methods you use! Like the spontaneous collapse of WTC#7 - it's an IMPOSSIBILITY !

Psalms 131:1

GodSend, I sincerely doubt you believe any of this, of course. You're amusing yourself by entering a discussion forum and making incendiary statements to stir up regulars. There's a word for that. Anybody?

[humingbrd]

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free"

Oh yeah, one more: Proverbs 26:12

[Unfit4Command]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

Ok

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

Done. I see and hear no explosives.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

Uniform aside from the fact the the East Mechanical Penthouse collapsed several seconds before the global collapse, and it damaged several nearby buildings and covered Barclay street.

Verizon Building damage:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/facebook99/damagetoverizonbuilding.jpg

30 West Broadway:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/facebook99/WTC30WBroadwayDamagefromWTC7.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/facebook99/damagedbuildings1-1.jpg

Barclay street blocked, notice that there's even some debris on 30 West Broadway:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/facebook99/barclaystreet.jpg

Explain to me how this is a uniform collapse.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

A few random isolated fires? What on earth are you talking about?

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/facebook99/Fires.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/facebook99/fires6.jpg

1. We walked over by number Seven World Trade Center as it was burning and saw this 40-plus story building with fire on nearly all floors. –FDNY Lieutenant Robert LaRocca
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110081.PDF

2. ...Just when you thought it was over, you're walking by this building and you're hearing this building creak and fully involved in flames. It's like, is it coming down next? Sure enough, about a half an hour later it came down. –FDNY Lieutenant James McGlynn
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110447.PDF

3. I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run. –FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/visconti.html

4. All morning I was watching 7 World Trade burn, which we couldn't do anything about because it was so much chaos looking for missing members. –Firefighter Marcel Klaes http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110018.PDF

5. When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (Smith, Dennis, 2002. Report From Ground Zero: The Heroic Story of the Rescuers at the World Trade Center. New York: Penguin Putnam. p. 160)


Just a few quotes, I recommend reading Gravy's paper on WTC 7 for more, you can find it here (http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf).

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what a Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

Actually these are controlled demolitions:
http://www.controlled-demolition.com/images/secondary/clickWatch.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAyyHQQXX_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Vu15D_0oI

Please point out the similarities between those controlled demolitions and the collapse of WTC 7.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

Did they set silent explosives? Also, how long did it take the set up this demolition without anyone inside the building noticing?

Also, you can't forget that there was heightened security (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,1255660.story) at the World Trade Center in the weeks leading up to 9/11, it wasn't until 5 days before the event that the EXTRA bomb sniffing dogs were removed and security, one (http://www.novareinna.com/bridge/sirius.html) still remained at the complex to sniff incoming vehicles. How could these bomb sniffing dogs not notice the explosives coming in to the WTC, and not detect the massive amount of explosives it would require to bring down WTC 1, 2, and 7?

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

YEAH! FORGET ABOUT SCIENCE! It's better to watch videos on youtube and make assumptions!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

What on earth are you talking about? "pull" doesn't have anything to do with demolishing a building with explosives.

Brent Blanchard, a demolitions expert with Protec:
"We have never once heard the term 'pull it' being used to refer to the explosive demolition of a building, and neither has any blast team we've spoken with. The term is used in conven-tional demolition circles, to describe the specific activity of attaching long cables to a pre-weakened building and maneuvering heavy equipment (excavators, bulldozers etc) to 'pull' the frame of the structure over onto its side for further dismantlement. This author and our research team were on site when workers pulled over the six story remains of WTC6 in late fall 2001, however we can say with certainty that a similar operation would have been logistically impossible at Ground Zero on 9/11, physically impossible for a building the size of WTC7, and the structure did not collapse in that manner anyway.
In the weeks following 9/11, several Protec building inspectors and staff photographers, in-cluding this author, were contracted by demolition teams to document the deconstruction and debris removal processes at Ground Zero. These processes included the mechanical pull-down of the remains of the U.S. Customs Building (WTC 6) and various other activities oc-curring simultaneously throughout the site."
http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC%20STUDY%208-06%20w%20clarif%20as%20of%209-8-06%20.pdf

"Pull" can mean to attach cables to a building and literally pull it over though. Watch the "pulling" of WTC 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boBq0jM6Mmo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edebunking911%2Ecom%2Fpull% 2Ehtm

8. Unless you are blind, are completely (or just about) devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

Hmmm...guess I'm part of the conspiracy then. Where's your evidence for any of your claims? I've never seen you once take part in an intelligent debate, you just spew BS.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

Islamist terrorists maybe?

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

How can anyone believe the official explanation when it hasn't been released yet? Are you assuming stuff AGAIN?

I have a question, have you ever actually read 1984 before? I've noticed that 90% of the people who bring up the book have never read it before.

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

You presented no evidence to support your claims, it's really sad. The "believe your eyes, it's clearly a controlled demolition (even though there's no evidence of explosives going off)! Don't listen to science!" doesn't work with me.:)

[WildCat]

You're on!
I'll take that action too:

http://home.mindspring.com/~turniton/COTC/Payton%20&%20Emmet_06small.jpg

[Alt+F4]

This kitty has done better investigoogling than you have Godsend.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/altf4_photo/mac_kitty.jpg

[Disbelief]

Troll hungry! Feed Troll!!

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/__hr_bigcatnose.jpg

[WildCat]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/__hr_bigcatnose.jpg
I love that pic, reminds me of Stimpy! :p

[HeyLeroy]

Nominated:

To all you listeners:

What follows now from other posters is nothing but noise. The best thing to do about bothersome noise is to shut the window and ignore it! ;) To SEE is to BELIEVE :)

Remember: IT'S SIMPLE.

http://liveu-00.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/10/10/946639/1155700L.gif

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I love that pic, reminds me of Stimpy! :p
I like it because you know half a second later the lense was fogged up by cat breath and/or smudged by cat tongue.

[GodSend]

Just imagine you're standing outside on a clear night, admiring a full, big and beautiful moon.

A stranger approaches, looks up at the moon and admiringly says: "WOW - what a beautiful bowling ball!"

You glance at her and say: "Excuse me? - That's the moon!"

She pulls out and unrolls a scroll which has a bunch of writing on it and the NASA seal as well as the Presidential seal and a whole bunch of other, important-looking seals. She says: "I have here a certified, original document, signed and sworn to by all of the elite scientific and other authorities in the world and they all agree that what's hanging up there is a bowling ball, not the moon!" She hands you the scroll, you check it and sure enough, what she said is true. All the signatures and seals are there!

You say: "OK, but where are the holes for the thumb and fingers?"

She says: "On the other side - the side you can't see"

Now, if you're like one of the 'official' 9/11 troothers here, you would look up at the moon again and say: "Oh, yeah! - isn't it a beautiful and shiny bowling ball!"

On the other hand, you might say to her: "Nuts!"

[Hokulele]

My one and only contribution to this thread. Ladies and gentlemen, another giant clam.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1508346153f95a3962.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4973)

[humingbrd]

This kitty has done better investigoogling than you have Godsend.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p78/altf4_photo/mac_kitty.jpg


That's so cuuuute! Dang I love kitten threads. What were we talking about? Never mind. :)

[chipmunk stew]

To all you listeners:

What follows now from other posters is nothing but noise. The best thing to do about bothersome noise is to shut the window and ignore it! ;) To SEE is to BELIEVE :)

Remember: IT'S SIMPLE.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/im_not_listening.jpg

[kookbreaker]

Well. I've done enough. Time for an appropriate photo.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/kookbreaker/LyraCashTrollsmall.jpg

[GlennB]

These kitties say "You humans are stupid"

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l131/Ignatz_CT/kittiesandbenjie.jpg

[HyJinX]

Just imagine you're standing outside on a clear night, admiring a full, big and beautiful moon.

A stranger approaches, looks up at the moon and admiringly says: "WOW - what a beautiful bowling ball!"

You glance at her and say: "Excuse me? - That's the moon!"

She pulls out and unrolls a scroll which has a bunch of writing on it and the NASA seal as well as the Presidential seal and a whole bunch of other, important-looking seals. She says: "I have here a certified, original document, signed and sworn to by all of the elite scientific and other authorities in the world and they all agree that what's hanging up there is a bowling ball, not the moon!" She hands you the scroll, you check it and sure enough, what she said is true. All the signatures and seals are there!

You say: "OK, but where are the holes for the thumb and fingers?"

She says: "On the other side - the side you can't see"

Now, if you're like one of the 'official' 9/11 troothers here, you would look up at the moon again and say: "Oh, yeah! - isn't it a beautiful and shiny bowling ball!"

On the other hand, you might say to her: "Nuts!"

Not the "presidential/NASA Scroll" talk again. Certainly in this day and age she would have downloaded these documents to her Blackberry and transfered them directly to the twoofers Blackberry.

Oh...and I do own a bowling ball that looks like the moon...but there's no thermite inside of it.

CAT TIME....

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

These kitties say "You humans are stupid"

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l131/Ignatz_CT/kittiesandbenjie.jpg
My FSM! They took down a dog! Was it the weak one out of the pack?

[HyJinX]

These kitties say "You humans are stupid"

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l131/Ignatz_CT/kittiesandbenjie.jpg


Those cats killed your dog!


ETA: Damn, Arkan beat me to it.

[Unfit4Command]

Just imagine you're standing outside on a clear night, admiring a full, big and beautiful moon.

A stranger approaches, looks up at the moon and admiringly says: "WOW - what a beautiful bowling ball!"

You glance at her and say: "Excuse me? - That's the moon!"

She pulls out and unrolls a scroll which has a bunch of writing on it and the NASA seal as well as the Presidential seal and a whole bunch of other, important-looking seals. She says: "I have here a certified, original document, signed and sworn to by all of the elite scientific and other authorities in the world and they all agree that what's hanging up there is a bowling ball, not the moon!" She hands you the scroll, you check it and sure enough, what she said is true. All the signatures and seals are there!

You say: "OK, but where are the holes for the thumb and fingers?"

She says: "On the other side - the side you can't see"

Now, if you're like one of the 'official' 9/11 troothers here, you would look up at the moon again and say: "Oh, yeah! - isn't it a beautiful and shiny bowling ball!"

On the other hand, you might say to her: "Nuts!"

Wow! What a great comparison! Once again you fail to present any evidence to support your claims! Surprise surprise! :)

It has been proven with science that the moon isn't really just a bowling ball, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. There's a word out there called "evidence." All of the evidence points towards the moon not being a bowling ball. Now what you need to do is present your evidence to support WTC 7 being a controlled demolition, and I'll take a look at it.

[stateofgrace]

Good post, Godsend.


Actually I agree with you Pagan, it is a good post.

It is good because it illustrates perfectly how people will cling to long debunked garbage , keep repeating it over and over again and how other like minded will stand up and applaud as people do so.

It illustrates that some individuals irrespective of how many times it is pointed out to them the flaws in their logic and facts are wrong this will simply dismiss it all.

It illustrates how some individuals believe by looking at you tube videos they are suddenly highly qualified structural engineers, civil engineers and architects along with being a highly qualified aircraft crash investigator and explosives expert all rolled into one.

It illustrates that irrespective of all the well documented evidence to the contrary they will cling to predetermined conclusions and try their hardest to blame perfectly innocent people. It shows how certain individuals will take a perfectly innocent remark and try to twist, distort and squeeze into to their distorted version of events.

And it equally shows how individuals like you and the writer are not in the slightest bit interested in the truth at all. It shows how individuals just like you prefer to bury your heads in the sand, pretend that no such thing as global Terrorism exists and how only the Americans and of course Israel were only capable of carrying out such a ghastly act.

It is a perfect illustration of how individuals that have absolutely no hesitation in accusing perfectly innocent Americans of being involved in mass murder of 3000 of their own will try to take the moral high ground and ride around on their high horse pretending they are saviours of humanity. It illustrates that the reality is far different, that being they cling to lies and distortions to fuel and promote their disgraceful distortions and lies. Distortions that other individual, just like you will gladly agree with, rather than having to show the slightest ounce of common humanity and dismissing this trash as it is.

It illustrates that if this is best a fringe movement like the laughably named truth movement has to offer, it is hardly surprising that nobody but Anti American, Anti Israel fools take them seriously.

Yes Pagan, this was a good post, it really does show to everybody the true mind set of the 911 conspirator perfectly.

Here is my cat

http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/smiling-cat-2.JPG

[westprog]

I think the lurkers must be entirely convinced by the instructions to not look at the man behind the curtain. It's certainly the case that the CT arguments are entirely convincing if you ignore all the rebuttals.

I'd especially recommend that the lurkers ignore the pictures. They could be especially confusing. They could easily give the impression of massive fires throughout the building, if it weren't for Godsend explaining that that was not the case.

Godsend, would you recommend that lurkers read the accounts of fire officers on the scene? Or would that be as misleading as the pictures?


Demand that the truth be revealed!!!
Tell everyone the facts!!!
Don't look at unapproved sources. Especially unreliable are witness accounts, except when carefully predigested.

[Unfit4Command]

Actually I agree with you Pagan, it is a good post.

It is good because it illustrates perfectly how people will cling to long debunked garbage , keep repeating it over and over again and how other like minded will stand up and applaud as people do so.

It illustrates that some individuals irrespective of how many times it is pointed out to them the flaws in their logic and facts are wrong this will simply dismiss it all.

It illustrates how some individuals believe by looking at you tube videos they are suddenly highly qualified structural engineers, civil engineers and architects along with being a highly qualified aircraft crash investigator and explosives expert all rolled into one.

It illustrates that irrespective of all the well documented evidence to the contrary they will cling to predetermined conclusions and try their hardest to blame perfectly innocent people. It shows how certain individuals will take a perfectly innocent remark and try and twist, distort and squeeze into to their distorted version of events.

And it equally shows how individuals like you and the writer and not in the slightest bit interested in the truth at all. It shows how individuals just like you prefer to bury your heads in the sand, pretend that no such thing as global Terrorism exists and how only the Americans and of course Israel were only capable of carrying out such a ghastly act.

It is perfect illustration of how individuals that have absolutely no hesitation in accusing perfectly innocent Americans of being involved in mass murder of 3000 of their own will try to take the moral high ground and ride around on their high horse pretending they are saviours of humanity. It illustrates that the reality is far different, that being they cling to lies and distortions to fuel and promote their disgraceful distortions and lies. Distortions that other individual, just like you will gladly agree with, rather than having to show the slightest ounce of common humanity and dismissing this trash as it is.

It illustrates that if this is best a fringe movement like the laughably named truth movement has to offer, it is hardly surprising that nobody but Anti American, Anti Israel fools take them seriously.

Yes Pagan, this was a good post, it really does show to everybody the true mind set of the 911 conspirator perfectly.

Here is my cat

http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/smiling-cat-2.JPG

Great post, Stateofgrace.

[JonnyFive]

:words:

So are you actually going to respond to the points Unfit4Command, and others (but particularly Unfit), brought up?

Or, perhaps, you'd prefer to remain in your shell of ignorance and keep spouting meaningless babble about how we're brainwashed. Whatever, it's your choice.

[chipmunk stew]

To all you listeners:

What follows now from other posters is nothing but noise. The best thing to do about bothersome noise is to shut the window and ignore it! ;) To SEE is to BELIEVE :)

Remember: IT'S SIMPLE.
That reminds me:

Once I saw David Blaine levitate before my very eyes.

I saw him take a bite out of a quarter, then repair it by spitting the piece back onto it.

I saw him reach through a plate-glass window and retrieve a necklace, after he had made it disappear from a woman's neck and appear behind the window.

I saw him tear the head off a chicken, and then put it back, and the chicken was alive and well.

I'm certain you've SEEN such things in your life, too, GodSend. And now I'm fairly certain you BELIEVED them.

http://www.cardmine.co.uk/list26/a261760.jpg

[Rika]

Dear Listeners:

Isn't it hilarious to see all those 'official' troothers falling all over themselves to debunk the simple truth that just refuses to be debunked. Reminds me of Don Quixote having a 'Go' at those windmills ;) The simple truth CANNOT be debunked, no matter how hard you try or what methods you use! Like the spontaneous collapse of WTC#7 - it's an IMPOSSIBILITY :eek:

Enjoy the show ;) The pet pics are great, too!

Since it's kinda clear GodSend isn't going to listen to actual proof (how silly of me to post some), I'd like to thank you guys for correcting it. I didn't find the 20-40+ damage picture until after I posted.

That said, my response to this is simple: We already debunked you. Only you and pagan, who appear to think they need no proof for your claims call it the truth. The collapse wasn't spontaneous.

And, just because you say you're right? You aren't.

So, tilt at those windmills some more! Somewhere, there's bound to be someone who will listen to you uncritically, I'm sure!

-- Tokorona.

[HeyLeroy]

Love those cats :) How about some dogs, birds and bunnies?
As requested:
http://liveu-34.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/10/10/946639/1168734L.JPGhttp://liveu-04.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/10/10/946639/1153504L.jpghttp://liveu-39.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/10/10/946639/1168739L.jpg

I firmly support the cat pictures in this case. Here's one:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_91934615258f0d2ad.jpg

[CF mode] TAHTS NOIT A CAT !!!111!! TAHTS A KOMATSU!!!!!11!!!111!!![/CF Mode]

Bring it...grasshopper!
http://liveu-00.vo.llnwd.net/vidilife/image/2006/10/10/946639/1174300L.jpg

[chipmunk stew]

So are you actually going to respond to the points Unfit4Command, and others (but particularly Unfit), brought up?

Or, perhaps, you'd prefer to remain in your shell of ignorance and keep spouting meaningless babble about how we're brainwashed. Whatever, it's your choice.
GodSend has yet to choose option 1. He has consistently chosen option 2.

He is not unlike this chattering chimp with its fingers in its ears:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/im_not_listening.jpg

[Pipirr]

Here's a pic of Sploogeball the kitten.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/8387461544fbad799.jpg

[Unfit4Command]

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/facebook99/2005_07_21_shrek_cat.jpg

[ZouPrime]

Just imagine you're standing outside on a clear night, admiring a full, big and beautiful moon.

A stranger approaches, looks up at the moon and admiringly says: "WOW - what a beautiful bowling ball!"

You glance at her and say: "Excuse me? - That's the moon!"



The flaw in your argument is that the moon is an object most if not all of the world's population is aware of. It has been observed many times by many people, and these observations are similar and complementary. So it is easy for any of us to look at the moon and identify it as such, and it would be highly anormal for someone to mistake it from a bowling ball. Analysis based on "common sense" make sense in this circumstances, because we all have such an intimate knowledge of the phenomenon.

On the other hand, the vast majority of people have only a faint idea of what a "controlled demolition" is, what a typical one looks like, and what are the assumptions and expections one could have while seeing one versus a "standard" collapse. With a limited knowledge and expertise, naive analysis based on bad assumptions are much more probable. It is precisely in these circumstances that common sense analysis is useless, and professional expertise should be trusted instead.

People like you who don't understand this concept are exactly the ones who would benefit the most from reading this paper:
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what a Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely (or just about) devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

That's a lot of:
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_10708461548620fab0.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4976)

[JonnyFive]

GodSend has yet to choose option 1. He has consistently chosen option 2.

He is not unlike this chattering chimp with its fingers in its ears:

Yeah... they never choose options 1.

In other news: Monkeys are funny!

(Also: apes)

[defaultdotxbe]

Wow, everything from #3 on is completely and utterly wrong, and #2's sort of iffy.
i got 2 on down, th ecollapse isnt uniform, the left part of the penthouse collapses several seconds before the rest of the structure, also, siesmographs registered internal collapses as much as 18 seconds before the visible collapse outside

[humingbrd]

Just imagine you're standing outside on a clear night, admiring a full, big and beautiful moon.



http://www.terebess.hu/zen/hakuin/img/22.jpg

[jon]

So many truther references to Orwell - if only some of them would read Politics and the English language (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm). As Orwell argues

As soon as certain topics are raised, the concrete melts into the abstract and no one seems able to think of turns of speech that are not hackneyed: prose consists less and less of words chosen for the sake of their meaning, and more and more of phrases tacked together like the sections of a prefabricated henhouse.

Thanks to the www, this can spread much further and more quickly than in Orwell's time...

[babazaroni]

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.


Note that GodSend wants you to know that no planes hit wtc 7, but for some reason, will not tell you that one of the tallest buildings in the world collapsed into it?

Hum.....I wonder why?

[WildCat]

Note that GodSend wants you to know that no planes hit wtc 7, but for some reason, will not tell you that one of the tallest buildings in the world collapsed into it?

Hum.....I wonder why?
God sent him here to lie, apparently.

[HeyLeroy]

So many truther references to Orwell - if only some of them would read Politics and the English language (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm). As Orwell argues

...concrete melts...

Thanks to the www, this can spread much further and more quickly than in Orwell's time...

Don't show that to Christophera...

[Horatius]

I can't seem to upload the picture I wanted to use, so I'll just post this, and say, Cat = JREFers, and Rabbit == Godsend.

VkgXWEzMK2Y


It's the perfect metaphor, in fact. That cat never did catch the rabbit, but the rabbit eventually stopped coming into our yard....

[Horatius]

Actually I agree with you Pagan, it is a good post.

...Yes Pagan, this was a good post, it really does show to everybody the true mind set of the 911 conspirator perfectly.

Here is my cat

http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/smiling-cat-2.JPG


Nominated!

[GodSend]

Well, all you listeners, it's an amusing show, isn't it! It's as if I had thrown a piece of fresh meat to a bunch of starving dogs - and they're off, tearing into it, willy-nilly ;)

It makes you wonder who these 'attack dogs' are and who's been training them? What motivates them to vehemently deny the obvious?! Chris Bollyn has an interesting and thoughtful explanation - www.iamthewitness.com (also about the entire 9/11 'phenomenon' and who/what is behind it). It's a logical 'Next Step', now that you know that WTC#7 was intentionally demolished.

[Childlike Empress]

Oooh, kittens! :)

A few random isolated fires? What on earth are you talking about?

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/facebook99/Fires.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/facebook99/fires6.jpg


What about this? That's WTC6:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/99074615500ed53d1.jpg
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/99074615500f11eec.jpg

Were these currently released images discussed here?

[JonnyFive]

Well, all you listeners, it's an amusing show, isn't it! It's as if I had thrown a piece of fresh meat to a bunch of starving dogs - and they're off, tearing into it, willy-nilly ;)

It makes you wonder who these 'attack dogs' are and who's been training them? What motivates them to vehemently deny the obvious?! Chris Bollyn has an interesting and thoughtful explanation - www.iamthewitness.com (http://www.iamthewitness.com) (also about the entire 9/11 'phenomenon' and who/what is behind it). It's a logical 'Next Step', now that you know that WTC#7 was demolished.

Option 1 it is, then.

Could you possibly troll on another forum?

[Unfit4Command]

Well, all you listeners, it's an amusing show, isn't it! It's as if I had thrown a piece of fresh meat to a bunch of starving dogs - and they're off, tearing into it, willy-nilly ;)

It makes you wonder who these 'attack dogs' are and who's been training them? What motivates them to vehemently deny the obvious?! Chris Bollyn has an interesting and thoughtful explanation - www.iamthewitness.com (http://www.iamthewitness.com) (also about the entire 9/11 'phenomenon' and who/what is behind it). It's a logical 'Next Step', now that you know that WTC#7 was intentionally demolished.

Evidence?:confused:

[NickUK]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what a Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely (or just about) devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

Hello, Good Evening and welcome to 2003.

[jon]

Don't show that to Christophera...

OMFG!!!!!!! Orwell planned 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Well, all you listeners, it's an amusing show, isn't it! It's as if I had thrown a piece of fresh meat to a bunch of starving dogs - and they're off, tearing into it, willy-nilly ;)

It makes you wonder who these 'attack dogs' are and who's been training them? What motivates them to vehemently deny the obvious?! Chris Bollyn has an interesting and thoughtful explanation - www.iamthewitness.com (http://www.iamthewitness.com) (also about the entire 9/11 'phenomenon' and who/what is behind it). It's a logical 'Next Step', now that you know that WTC#7 was intentionally demolished.
QQKitten is confused
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/ArkanWolfshade/qq_kitty.jpg
Isn't Chris Bollyn a well known history revisionist who has a history (pun intended) of producing factually incorrect material and of being arrested for assaulting police officers?

[Horatius]

...and who's been training them?



Twoofers.

And the cats.

They demand sacrifice!

And there's none of that "dying for other's sins" crap!


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/94904595b72721b58.jpg

[cloudshipsrule]

It's a logical 'Next Step', now that you know that WTC#7 was demolished.

You forgot to complete your sentence. "Now that you know that WTC#7 was demolished due to debris damage and fire."

[Unfit4Command]

Oooh, kittens! :)




What about this? That's WTC6:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/99074615500ed53d1.jpg
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/99074615500f11eec.jpg

Were these currently released images discussed here?

There was a thread a few weeks ago mentioning them. Just because a building near WTC 7 was on fire and pouring smoke, doesn't mean all of the smoke is coming from it.
Watch videos of WTC 7 and you'll see that the smoke isn't only coming from WTC 6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjvlO3PEVz4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPRpNgcA_Hw

All of the firefighters who reported massive fires inside of WTC 7 must have been blind if all of that smoke is coming from WTC 6. I cannot stress enough to read Gravy's WTC 7 paper (http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.pdf) for more information about WTC 7.

[azazal]

In other news: Monkeys are funny!

(Also: apes)

An oldie, but a goody

I Like Monkeys!

The pet store was selling them for five cents a piece.

I thought this was odd since they were normally a couple thousand. I decided not to look a gift horse in the mouth so I bought 200 of them. I like monkeys.

I took my 200 monkeys home. I have a big car. I let one of them drive. His name was Sigmund. He was retarded. In fact, none of them were really bright. They kept punching themselves in the genitals. I laughed. They punched me in the genitals. I stopped laughing.

I herded them into my room. They didn't adapt very well to their new environment. They would screech and hurl themselves off the couch at high speeds and slam into the wall. Although humorous at first, the spectacle lost its novelty halfway into it's third hour. Two hours later I found out why all the monkeys were so inexpensive; they all died. No apparent reason. They all just sort of dropped dead. Kinda like when you buy a goldfish and it dies five hours later. God damn cheap monkeys.

I didn't know what to do. There were 200 dead monkeys lying all over my room; on the bed, in the dresser, hanging from my bookcase. It looked like I had 200 throw rugs. I tried to flush one down the toilet. It didn't work. It got stuck. Then I had one dead, wet monkey and one hundred ninety-nine dead, dry monkeys.

I tried to pretend that they were just stuffed animals. That worked for a while, that is until they began to decompose. It started to smell real bad. I had to pee but there was a dead monkey in my toilet and I didn't want to call a plumber. I was embarrassed. I tried to slow down the decomposition by freezing them. Unfortunately there was only enough room for two at a time, so I had to change them every 30 seconds. I also had to eat all the food in the freezer so it didn't go bad.

I tried to burn them, but little did I know that my bed was flammable. I had to extinguish the fire. Then I had one dead, wet monkey in my toilet, two dead, frozen monkeys in my freezer, and one hundred ninety-seven dead, charred monkeys in a pile on my bed.

The odor wasn't improving. I became agitated at my inability to dispose of the dead monkeys and I really had to use the bathroom. So I went and severely beat one of the monkeys. I felt better.

I tried throwing them away but the garbage man said the city was not allowed to dispose of charred primates. I told him I had a wet one. He couldn't take it either. I didn't bother asking about the frozen ones.

I finally arrived at a solution. I gave them out as Christmas gifts. My friends didn't quite know what to say. They pretended to like them, but I could tell they were lying. Ingrates. So I punched them in the genitals.

I like monkeys.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

An oldie, but a goody

I Like Monkeys!
<snip>
I like monkeys.
Wow, I haven't seen that one in forever! Forgot how much it made me laugh. :D

[Childlike Empress]

There was a thread a few weeks ago mentioning them.


Somebody got a Link?

[VespaGuy]

Well, all you listeners, it's an amusing show, isn't it! It's as if I had thrown a piece of fresh meat to a bunch of starving dogs - and they're off, tearing into it, willy-nilly ;)

Actually, the posters who replied to your opening post tended to pick it apart fairly easily, pointing out inconsistancies, logical fallicies, and deception or ignorance (take your pick).

Instead of addressing these issues, you respond with nonsense.

It makes you wonder who these 'attack dogs' are and who's been training them?

I can only speak for myself. I'm just someone who thinks criticaly and is offended by people, like yourself, who blame others for murder based solely on ignorance. My "training" was all done in public school and private colleges and is in structural design. I think that my education and experience allow me to talk at length about certain aspects of 9/11. On other aspects, I'm smart enough to look to the experts.

What motivates them to vehemently deny the obvious?!

It's also obvious that the Sun revolves around the Earth to the ignorant.

Chris Bollyn has an interesting and thoughtful explanation - www.iamthewitness.com (also about the entire 9/11 'phenomenon' and who/what is behind it). It's a logical 'Next Step', now that you know that WTC#7 was intentionally demolished.

Be gone, troll.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Somebody got a Link?
http://forums.randi.org/search.php?f=64

[Unfit4Command]

Somebody got a Link?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=77375

:)

[cloudshipsrule]

Azazal,

You have 200 friends?

[Childlike Empress]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=77375

:)

Thanks. Party on!

[kookbreaker]

Well, all you listeners, it's an amusing show, isn't it! It's as if I had thrown a piece of fresh meat to a bunch of starving dogs - and they're off, tearing into it, willy-nilly ;)

It makes you wonder who these 'attack dogs' are and who's been training them? What motivates them to vehemently deny the obvious?! Chris Bollyn has an interesting and thoughtful explanation - www.iamthewitness.com (also about the entire 9/11 'phenomenon' and who/what is behind it). It's a logical 'Next Step', now that you know that WTC#7 was intentionally demolished.

*Yawn*

The short version your X-tian buddy Jack Chick uses for this is 'Haw Haw Haw!"

[JonnyFive]

Azazal,

You have 200 friends?

Maybe he has 20 friends and gave them each 10 monkeys?

Or 10 friends that got 20 monkeys?

I would just rent a U-Haul and dump the monkey corpses in a swamp. Who's going to know?

Just say you were using the truck as a meat trailer and that's why it smells like death and Hell in there. No one will ask questions when you mention meat trailers.

Mmmm... meat trailer....

[azazal]

Azazal,

You have 200 friends?


Hand out monkeys at trvth rallies as a free gift

[Unsecured Coins]

e^n:There is no slander:)


ONLY ZUUL!!!!

[Big Les]

By amazing co-incidence, as I was just finishing reading this thread, my cat (OMFGconspiracy!!2) decided to puke, right next to the computer. A damning assessment of Godsend's debating skills if ever I smelled one.

[humingbrd]

Well, all you listeners, it's an amusing show, isn't it! It's as if I had thrown a piece of fresh meat to a bunch of starving dogs - and they're off, tearing into it, willy-nilly ;)

It makes you wonder who these 'attack dogs' are and who's been training them?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1547646156c1589ff1.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4983)
We come in peace.

[babazaroni]

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.


Do you know anything about the design of WTC 7 that might make it vulnerable to global collapse?

I'll give you a few things to help you with your education.

ConEd Substation, long spans, transfer trusses, cantilever supported north side columns.

There, that ought to keep you busy.

And thanks for bringing up the standard twooferisms. It gives us a chance to educate the fence sitters.

[GodSend]

Dear Listeners:

Have you noticed how I just let that crescendo of noise dissipate into nothingness? After all, once we know the truth, it is pointless to keep arguing about it and become obsessed with the gory details! (Gory is not an understatement!)

If you've read Chris Bollyn's explanation (or Paul Levy's) of who these 'official' troothers are and know all about their state-of-mind (usually very well revealed in their avatars), it's time to move on to the much more interesting 'Who' question - as in 'WHO DID IT?' (IT being the events of 9/11, for starters).

But before we get there, you might be curious to know what events REALLY took place on 9/11, since the 'official' explanation is a fairy tale. A good place for that is "Operation PEARL". There is a link on my website (http://novalight.org) or you can Google those words and get the link on the Serendipity website. You will be impressed by the overwhelming logic and consistency of this much more likely scenario - it has no contradictions of facts or logic, like the 'official' tale ;)

We are slowly converging on the 'WHO', so be prepared for Shock and Awe ;)

[Unfit4Command]

Dear Listeners:

Have you noticed how I just let that crescendo of noise dissipate into nothingness? After all, once we know the truth, it is pointless to keep arguing about it and become obsessed with the gory details! (Gory is not an understatement!)

If you've read Chris Bollyn's explanation (or Paul Levy's) of who these 'official' troothers are and know all about their state-of-mind (usually very well revealed in their avatars), it's time to move on to the much more interesting 'Who' question - as in 'WHO DID IT?' (IT being the events of 9/11, for starters).

But before we get there, you might be curious to know what events REALLY took place on 9/11, since the 'official' explanation is a fairy tale. A good place for that is "Operation PEARL". There is a link on my website (http://novalight.org) or you can Google those words and get the link on the Serendipity website. You will be impressed by the overwhelming logic and consistency of this much more likely scenario - it has no contradictions of facts or logic, like the 'official' tale ;)

We are slowly converging on the 'WHO', so be prepared for Shock and Awe ;)

So when will you be providing evidence for a controlled demolition of building 7? Still waiting...

[boloboffin]

Hey, Godsend, you wouldn't happen to have some verifiable numbers on the surge to your website following your blogwhoring here, would you? k thx

Also, does it bother you to frame how WTC 7 fell while also telling people that they don't need to listen to people frame how WTC 7 fell? Would you call that hypocrisy on your part or ignorance?

[jon]

Dear Listeners:

Have you noticed how I just let that crescendo of noise dissipate into nothingness? After all, once we know the truth, it is pointless to keep arguing about it and become obsessed with the gory details! (Gory is not an understatement!)

If you've read Chris Bollyn's explanation (or Paul Levy's) of who these 'official' troothers are and know all about their state-of-mind (usually very well revealed in their avatars), it's time to move on to the much more interesting 'Who' question - as in 'WHO DID IT?' (IT being the events of 9/11, for starters).

But before we get there, you might be curious to know what events REALLY took place on 9/11, since the 'official' explanation is a fairy tale. A good place for that is "Operation PEARL". There is a link on my website (http://novalight.org) or you can Google those words and get the link on the Serendipity website. You will be impressed by the overwhelming logic and consistency of this much more likely scenario - it has no contradictions of facts or logic, like the 'official' tale ;)

We are slowly converging on the 'WHO', so be prepared for Shock and Awe ;)

Maybe it's worth quoting Orwell (http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm)at more length:

The writer either has a meaning and cannot express it, or he inadvertently says something else, or he is almost indifferent as to whether his words mean anything or not....As soon as certain topics are raised, the concrete melts into the abstract and no one seems able to think of turns of speech that are not hackneyed: prose consists less and less of words chosen for the sake of their meaning, and more and more of phrases tacked together like the sections of a prefabricated henhouse. I list below, with notes and examples, various of the tricks by means of which the work of prose construction is habitually dodged:

Dying metaphors. A newly invented metaphor assists thought by evoking a visual image, while on the other hand a metaphor which is technically "dead" (e.g. iron resolution) has in effect reverted to being an ordinary word and can generally be used without loss of vividness. But in between these two classes there is a huge dump of worn-out metaphors which have lost all evocative power and are merely used because they save people the trouble of inventing phrases for themselves...

Operators or verbal false limbs. These save the trouble of picking out appropriate verbs and nouns, and at the same time pad each sentence with extra syllables which give it an appearance of symmetry...

Pretentious diction. Words like phenomenon, element, individual (as noun), objective, categorical, effective, virtual, basic, primary, promote, constitute, exhibit, exploit, utilize, eliminate, liquidate, are used to dress up a simple statement and give an air of scientific impartiality to biased judgements. Adjectives like epoch-making, epic, historic, unforgettable, triumphant, age-old, inevitable, inexorable, veritable, are used to dignify the sordid process of international politics, while writing that aims at glorifying war usually takes on an archaic color, its characteristic words being: realm, throne, chariot, mailed fist, trident, sword, shield, buckler, banner, jackboot, clarion....Except for the useful abbreviations i.e., e.g., and etc., there is no real need for any of the hundreds of foreign phrases now current in the English language....The jargon peculiar to the sense that they not only do not point to any discoverable object, but are hardly ever expected to do so by the reader.

[Horatius]

Have you noticed how I just let that crescendo of noise dissipate into nothingness?


Nothingness? Nothing of the sort!

It was just dinner time, is all!


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/94904615878aa0824.jpg

[peteweaver]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what a Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely (or just about) devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds

18 seconds is not just a few seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLHwvwJCmgk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edebunking911%2Ecom%2Fpull% 2Ehtm

Two hours before the collapse there was a significant bulge noticed on the south west side.

EXPLAIN THAT.

The tower had suffered significant structural damage, there were huge raging fires in the building that were so severe fire teams had to be pulled.
Please noted that the fire teams had to be pulled as there was no water for them to fight the blaze.

Explain how structural damage and fire could not have been enough to bring down the towers when structural steel gets significantly weaker at temperatures above 300 degrees C.

Now fella take a look at http://www.structuralfiresafety.com and learn a little about the performance of steel in fires, the role composite floors (which in the case of the world trade center collapses had all suffered damage) play in maintaining structrural integrity.

Seriously man, if there had have been a controlled demolition, experts everywhere and not just a few cranks would know.

[NickUK]

* snip* There is a link on my website (http://novalight.org) * snip *

Do not javascript Amazing Grace midi at me, Sir!

Your site needs a, ahem, bit of a redesign maybe?

[GodSend]

Dear Listeners:

Just so you don't think you're alone in questioning the 'Official' 9/11 report. (If you're an American patriot, you have plenty of company)

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

PS Some Americans can still SEE (and THINK) for themselves! :)

PPS Here's another 911 link worth exploring (there are MANY!):

http://911weknow.com/

[stateofgrace]

Dear Listeners:

Just so you don't think you're alone in questioning the 'Official' 9/11 report. (If you're an American patriot, you have plenty of company)

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

So, you have now ditched any attempt at proving your WTC 7 demolition theory?

How many of those people agree with you WTC 7 was demolished?

Any idea?

[Unfit4Command]

Dear Listeners:

Just so you don't think you're alone in questioning the 'Official' 9/11 report. (If you're an American patriot, you have plenty of company)

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

I'm starting to question whether you're sane or not. I'm still waiting for evidence for the controlled demolition of WTC 7, 1, and 2, you have yet to show us any.

[stateofgrace]

Nominated!

Thanks for that, I do like a good rant at these guys.

Godsend, the stage is yours, show us your thesis, and show us what happened on 911. A simply summary will do.

Show everybody that you are rational, logical and above all not simply throwing about accusations of mass murder against innocent people.

[boloboffin]

Godsend, the stage is yours, show us your thesis,show us what happened on 911. A simply summary will do.

Show everybody that you are rational, logical and above all not simply throwing about accusing of mass murder against innocent people.

Oh, I recommend clicking on over to Godsend's website. Throwing around accusations of mass murder against innocent people is like only a minor concern there. I believe it would be fair to say that Godsend is posting here because he believe us to be spawn of the Dragon, Zionist apologists in union with the Catholic Chuch squeezing blood out of the world in a hypocritical Nazi orgy of blood and money.

I mean, really, Peter. Even Fred Phelps got one of his kids to learn some basic web page design. Thanks for the cool Early American graphic, though.

[stateofgrace]

Oh, I recommend clicking on over to Godsend's website. Throwing around accusations of mass murder against innocent people is like only a minor concern there. I believe it would be fair to say that Godsend is posting here because he believe us to be spawn of the Dragon, Zionist apologists in union with the Catholic Chuch squeezing blood out of the world in a hypocritical Nazi orgy of blood and money.

I mean, really, Peter. Even Fred Phelps got one of his kids to learn some basic web page design. Thanks for the cool Early American graphic, though.

I just did, :jaw-dropp .

[twinstead]

Crap, I just got through this thread. I can never get that time back, thanks a lot Godsend. I think I've reached my arrogant idiot quota for the year.

Godsend, you are a liar. Simple as that. You are using false information to prove a point, and you know it. Well, you know it unless you don't read the posts directed at you. And, judging by your brilliant rebuttals to those posts I suspect that you don't. Then I suppose instead of a liar you're just an idiot. An arrogant idiot.

According to you religious types, liars go to hell, right? Well, I think willful arrogant idiots do too.

Well, It's as simple as that. Have a nice time there.

[humingbrd]

GodSend has stuff all over the net. Amazing output. I wonder who works to pay the rent.

[JimBenArm]

Dear Listeners:

Have you noticed how I just let that crescendo of noise dissipate into nothingness? After all, once we know the truth, it is pointless to keep arguing about it and become obsessed with the gory details! (Gory is not an understatement!)

If you've read Chris Bollyn's explanation (or Paul Levy's) of who these 'official' troothers are and know all about their state-of-mind (usually very well revealed in their avatars), it's time to move on to the much more interesting 'Who' question - as in 'WHO DID IT?' (IT being the events of 9/11, for starters).

But before we get there, you might be curious to know what events REALLY took place on 9/11, since the 'official' explanation is a fairy tale. A good place for that is "Operation PEARL". There is a link on my website (http://novalight.org) or you can Google those words and get the link on the Serendipity website. You will be impressed by the overwhelming logic and consistency of this much more likely scenario - it has no contradictions of facts or logic, like the 'official' tale ;)

We are slowly converging on the 'WHO', so be prepared for Shock and Awe ;)
Oh, wow, shock and awe! I can hardly contain my anticipation! I'm sure it will rank right up there with Lyte Trip's Earth-shattering evidence. And all the other big promises that huge egos love to post, but never seem to be able to produce!
I just know this'll be a hoot!

[JimBenArm]

GodSend has stuff all over the net. Amazing output. I wonder who works to pay the rent.
Well, I'm guessing he's a ward of the state. So no worries there!

[kookbreaker]

Dear Listeners:

Just so you don't think you're alone in questioning the 'Official' 9/11 report. (If you're an American patriot, you have plenty of company)

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/

PS Some Americans can still SEE (and THINK) for themselves! :)

PPS Here's another 911 link worth exploring (there are MANY!):

http://911weknow.com/

The drill bits are not your friends, stop giving in to their demands to be inside your skull.

[TellyKNeasuss]

I'm starting to question whether you're sane or not. I'm still waiting for evidence for the controlled demolition of WTC 7, 1, and 2, you have yet to show us any.

He's sane, but an extreme narcissist who thinks that something is true simply because he believes it to be true. He's not too impressive as a Christian, with his arrogant mocking and refusal to engage in an honest discussion. That doesn't square too well with the Biblical protrayal of Jesus.

[Vincent Vega]

Another waste of bandwith. sigh.

[Regnad Kcin]

Thousands of posts and words have been written about the events of 9/11, including the collapse of WTC#7. What is the conclusion of the matter?

To all you silent listeners out there in cyberspace, if you are still in doubt, here's some advice:

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what a Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely (or just about) devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!How did I miss this thread?

Never mind your histrionics, GodSend, how 'bout some evidence? What's that, all you have is argument from incredulity and supposition?

From whence does CTist arrogance come anyway?

[Horatius]

From whence does CTist arrogance come anyway?


From the same place as his religious arrogance, I would expect :)

[JimBenArm]

How did I miss this thread?

Never mind your histrionics, GodSend, how 'bout some evidence? What's that, all you have is argument from incredulity and supposition?

From whence does CTist arrogance come anyway?
I wish I knew. They seem to have an inexhaustible supply of it!

[humingbrd]

Never mind your histrionics, GodSend, how 'bout some evidence? What's that, all you have is argument from incredulity and supposition?


He can't hear you. Religious conviction leads to religious certainty leads to religious information editing to preserve that certainty.

Reading his various web leavings, I think the CT stuff is fairly peripheral to his worldview. It's just fits nicely into the "big picture."

[GodSend]

Nick Danger: (since you have everything backwards, we know who's right about 9/11) ;)

You mistake arrogance for authority. Now heel! (Well, since you're a talking dog, you can kneel). If you pay attention and act like your avatar, you'll find your nose stuck in the evidence ;)

revo llor! - that's a good dog ;)

[Regnad Kcin]

Wow, GodSend, you've convinced me!

Now what do I do?

[humingbrd]

You mistake arrogance for authority. Now heel! http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/1547646156c15878df.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4982)

[JimBenArm]

Nick Danger: (since you have everything backwards, we know who's right about 9/11) ;)

You mistake arrogance for authority. Now heel! (Well, since you're a talking dog, you can kneel). If you pay attention and act like your avatar, you'll find your nose stuck in the evidence ;)
Nope, it's arrogance. You keep showing your total lack of knowledge about anything outside of your closed little mind. Do you have any clue about Regnad Kcin? What it refers to? Do you know who his avatar is? You had no clue about mine, either. Sad, sad, sorry little man. The world has passed you by, and totally ignored you. But you'll show 'em here!
Authority, yeah, right!

[Dog Town]

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free"


Like this?


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1092345c841e453588.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4015)

See any damage happening in this pic?

[The Great Hairy One]

We are slowly converging on the 'WHO', so be prepared for Shock and Awe ;)


IT WAS THE JJJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSS!!!! !!! ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Bet you this is his "shock and awe" rubbish.

Guys, there are some fantastic posts in this thread, especially those by stateofgrace and Unfit4Command. And the kitty pictures are extremely cute.

Cheers,
TGHO

[stateofgrace]

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free"

Welcome to the people you defend.

http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/pdf/DX-ZM005.pdf

The truth will set you free.

[CurtC]

Speaking of cats, here's what JREFers do to CTers that attempt to taunt us:
p2wyhgP0FVo

[CurtC]

Hey, there haven't been enough dog pictures in this thread!
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/kikapurider/P1010212.jpg

[CHF]

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

OK. Where are the charges?

When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

Pull = push a button?

In what language?

[CHF]

GodSend,

why in your opinion did the FDNY create a collapse zone around WTC7 hours before it fell?

[GodSend]

Dear Listeners:

It's been an 'interesting' day on this thread. Look at all those views! We heard stupefying nonsense from the outraged and noisy inhabitants of animal farm. They live in a world of spontaneously collapsing skyscrapers and planes which crash into buildings without leaving a recognizable trace. Hmmm.........what could this mean?

If you've been to Chris Bollyn's and Paul Levy's websites, you know that it means that they are part of the Conspiracy. Small and insignificant players, to be sure, assembled in this Forum by their controllers to spout noise and spin the web of the Big Lie. WHO is Big Brother, whose invisible hand pulls their 'strings' and whispers instructions into their ears - remember that little box on Bush's back!? Where does the long and winding thread lead?

Tune in for another day of rabbit hole exploration on the 7th :)

[CHF]

why in your opinion did the FDNY create a collapse zone around WTC7 hours before it fell?

[GodSend]

CHF:

Someone obviously told them that it was gonna fall! ;) The FDNY firefighters just do what they are told! :eek: Their 'bosses' (Silverstein, Guiliani and OME boss) knew HOW and exactly WHEN it was going to fall. You got the 'collapse' zone perfectly right - you just forgot to preface it with 'controlled' ;)

[CHF]

Someone obviously told them that it was gonna fall!

So why do they claim to have pulled back due to structural damage which they observed?

You're not accusing the FDNY of involvement in the 9/11 plot that killed 350 of their comrades, are you?

[GodSend]

Can't you read?! They do as they are told!

No, I'm not accusing the FDNY firefighters of conspiring to kill their own comrades. I'm stating that WTC#7 was intentionally demolished! Is English your 2nd language?

[CHF]

So you're saying the FDNY was told to claim that WTC7 was going to fall from structural damage?

And they then made up lies about transit readings to back that up?

So you're claming that they're lying under pressure. Is that it?

[GodSend]

CHF:

When it is known that a building is going to collapse via a controlled demolition, it is prudent to set up a 'controlled collapse zone', so the debris will not fall on firefighters or bystanders.

That last period signifies the send of a sentence and the end of this discussion.

Stay away from 'collapse zones'!

[Unfit4Command]

Can't you read?! They do as they are told!

No, I'm not accusing the FDNY firefighters of conspiring to kill their own comrades. I'm stating that WTC#7 was intentionally demolished! Is English your 2nd language?

Still not presenting evidence? Ok, let me know when you'll be backing up your claims.

[CHF]

CHF:

When it is known that a building is going to collapse via a controlled demolition, it is prudent to set up a 'controlled collapse zone', so the debris will not fall on firefighters or bystanders.

That last period signifies the send of a sentence and the end of this discussion.

Stay away from 'collapse zones'!

Let me break it down for you so maybe you'll follow....

The FDNY reported WTC7 was structurally unstable, would collapse as a result and they pulled back for that reason. THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE FDNY!

Now there are two ways to reconcile the FDNY reports with why WTC7 fell:
1) WTC7 was indeed structurally unstable (which does not jive with a demolition) and collapsed as a result just as the FDNY predicted it would

2) WTC7 was demolished with (silent) bombs and the FDNY made up a cover story by pointing to structural instability.

In light of FDNY reports, you simply cannot have a demolition of WTC7 without FDNY involvement in the execution or (at the very least) coverup.

[The Doc]

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html
“Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.”

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110462.PDF
“Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.”


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-634
“The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt.”

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
“Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.”All liars? All "in on it"?

[kimota]

By amazing co-incidence, as I was just finishing reading this thread, my cat (OMFGconspiracy!!2) decided to puke, right next to the computer.
It must have been confusing for you, Big Les. I'm sure your first thought was, "Oh look, another post from Godsend. But how did it get outside of my computer screen? Ah, it's a pile of cat vomit."

[westprog]

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html


http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110462.PDF


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-634


http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
All liars? All "in on it"?

The big demand from the CT's is for an investigation. The big "smoking gun" is WTC7. So why don't they contact these people and ask them to describe the state of WTC7? They have the names - they could contact them via FDNY. I could understand if they didn't want to talk about it, but is that a good reason to do nothing?

How many of the above will be interviewed in LCFC?

[stateofgrace]

CHF:

When it is known that a building is going to collapse via a controlled demolition, it is prudent to set up a 'controlled collapse zone', so the debris will not fall on firefighters or bystanders.

That last period signifies the send of a sentence and the end of this discussion.

Stay away from 'collapse zones'!

It was prudent?

I'm sorry you reckon that the same people who demolished the towers hours earlier which resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people suddenly thought it would be prudent to set up a safety zone so the debris from WTC 7 would not fall on top of anybody?

[VespaGuy]

Let me break it down for you so maybe you'll follow....

The FDNY reported WTC7 was structurally unstable, would collapse as a result and they pulled back for that reason. THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE FDNY!

Now there are two ways to reconcile the FDNY reports with why WTC7 fell:
1) WTC7 was indeed structurally unstable (which does not jive with a demolition) and collapsed as a result just as the FDNY predicted it would

2) WTC7 was demolished with (silent) bombs and the FDNY made up a cover story by pointing to structural instability.

In light of FDNY reports, you simply cannot have a demolition of WTC7 without FDNY involvement in the execution or (at the very least) coverup.


I predict that Godsend, backed into a corner yet again, will simply ignore this and continue posting his rambles to "Dear Listeners" just as he's done with every other question he's been asked in this thread.

[chipmunk stew]

Well, I'm guessing he's a ward of the state. So no worries there!

He's a retired 60-something.

This is him: http://novalight.net/NOVALIGHT.html

Peter's "Personal Profile" references his Nazi website.

[chipmunk stew]

CHF:

Someone obviously told them that it was gonna fall! ;) The FDNY firefighters just do what they are told! :eek: Their 'bosses' (Silverstein, Guiliani and OME boss) knew HOW and exactly WHEN it was going to fall. You got the 'collapse' zone perfectly right - you just forgot to preface it with 'controlled' ;)
The FDNY firefighters' bosses are their chiefs and captains. The fire chiefs make operational decisions, not the building owners, not the mayor. The man in charge of the search and recovery operation at Ground Zero--do you know his name? It was his decision to pull the operation around WTC7. He informed Silverstein of his decision as a courtesy.

[CurtC]

The troothers see WTC7 as their smoking gun, but the issue that none of them has been able to confront is that if WTC7 was intentionally demolished, it had to require the involvement, or at least acquiescence, of the FDNY. This idea leads you to the conclusion that dozens, or hundreds, of rank-and-file FDNY men are now lying to cover up the murder of hundreds of their brothers, and thousands of their fellow citizens.

You can't get around it.

[HawksFan]

Dear Godsend,

As a recent "listener", you have convinced me of.....

nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

Thank you for your time. I'd like my time reading this back, please.

[Regnad Kcin]

...Peter's "Personal Profile" references his Nazi website.How charming.

So, GodSend, how 'bout the recent discovery that Thomas Jefferson may have had Jewish ancestry?

[GodSend]

Listen up, now!

Many years ago, today, Jesus the Christ, the Messiah and Son of God, willingly carried the sins of all humanity, past, present and future, to His Cross at Calvary.

He was sent there and to us by God, His Father. He obeyed His Father out of Love for Him and for us!

God has a message for all humanity. You can find it here:

http://novalight.org

If the message is not for you, please forward it to someone else.

I am just the messenger.

(I will not make any other posts on this thread today. It is a day of Remembrance. "Remember your Creator before the silver cord is loosed". Jesus the Christ said: "No one comes to the Father except by Me".)


GodSend,
If you continue to post these links in this manner, and repeating posts cross-threads, you will receive a warning for spamming.
Additionally, please refrain from religious commentary in sub-fora other than the 'Religion and Philosophy' sub-forum.

[JonnyFive]

Listen up, now! (snip)

Don't spam your posts, GodSend (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2495954#post2495954).

[The Doc]

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../gz/boyle.html (http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html)
“Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.”http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110462.PDF (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110462.PDF)
“Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.”http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e...1521846767-634 (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-634)
“The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt.”http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9...gz/hayden.html (http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html)
“Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.”All liars? All "in on it"?

[kookbreaker]

Listen up, now!



Sorry, not interested. I'm too busy playing soccer with this Jesus skull I found.

[HawksFan]

THE BAND, ELWOOD! THE BAND!:p

[jon]

Great, so now we've got a Jew-hating christian invoking Orwell. Homage to Catalonia, indeed...

btw, if you were writing about technology, wouldn't you be embarrassed to have a website that hideous?

[Foolmewunz]

What kind of an idiot would create an avatar using the name of his business, and then have people link back to his virulent anti-semitic website?

Someone warn Gumboot and The Atheist.... HE'S ONE OF YOURS, BOYS! I think he played cricket without a helmet once too often.

[Alt+F4]

Can't you read?! They do as they are told!

No, I'm not accusing the FDNY firefighters of conspiring to kill their own comrades. I'm stating that WTC#7 was intentionally demolished! Is English your 2nd language?

Come to NYC big guy, go to any FDNY firehouse in the city and tell those guys they follow orders without question.

[CHF]

Ah the good ol' FDNY/WTC7 problem.

Stumps the twoofers every time.

[Alt+F4]

Many years ago, today, Jesus the Christ, the Messiah and Son of God, willingly carried the sins of all humanity, past, present and future, to His Cross at Calvary.

I'm a Zionist AND a pervert and I know one thing for SURE.....God hate YOU. She told me.

[The Doc]

I notice he went quiet after I posted those firefighter testimonies. Perhaps he has no answer.

I really wish truthers would do something other then go quiet when I engage them :( It's happened twice today.

[ZouPrime]

Listen up, now!

Many years ago, today, Jesus the Christ, the Messiah and Son of God, willingly carried the sins of all humanity, past, present and future, to His Cross at Calvary.

He was sent there and to us by God, His Father. He obeyed His Father out of Love for Him and for us!

God has a message for all humanity. You can find it here:

http://novalight.org

If the message is not for you, please forward it to someone else.

I am just the messenger.

(I will not make any other posts on this thread today. It is a day of Remembrance. "Remember your Creator before the silver cord is loosed". Jesus the Christ said: "No one comes to the Father except by Me".)

Dear listeners,

Notice how the subject, who almost exclusively addressed his posts to you since the begining of this thread, has quickly lost all his credibily as soon as he tried to actually address the criticism of his OP. Now, in face of a real cognitive paradox presented by other members and regarding the necessary participation of FDNY personnel in the WTC7 destruction, the subject simply change the topic or (like in this case) post some nonsensical religious comment. This is a classic "moving the goal posts" strategy.

Of course, you can expect the subject to come back with the same nonsensical claims in a few hours/days, acting like nothing happened, and even while these claims were actually debunked years ago.

Cause this is how the "9/11 Truth Movement" works folks.

[JonnyFive]

This is a classic "moving the goal posts" strategy.

I disagree.

In this case, it's more like "burning the goal posts."

Or, perhaps, "pulverizing the goal posts in 1 nm dust particles with a beam from space" or something.

[Belz...]

Dear Listeners:

Isn't it hilarious to see all those 'official' troothers falling all over themselves to debunk the simple truth that just refuses to be debunked.

Here, gentle readers, Godsend forgets that simply saying someone's wrong doesn't make it so. Instead of defending his theory, he attacks the debunkers. This is an (admittedly) minor form of ad hominem.

an IMPOSSIBILITY :eek:

Argument from personal incredulity. Another common truther fallacy.

"You shall know the truth, and the truth will make you free"

Here he thinks that quoting other people makes him smarter. If only so.

Saying I'm wrong does not make it so!

I'm calling a pot-vs-kettle on this one.

She pulls out and unrolls a scroll which has a bunch of writing on it and the NASA seal as well as the Presidential seal and a whole bunch of other, important-looking seals. She says: "I have here a certified, original document, signed and sworn to by all of the elite scientific and other authorities in the world and they all agree that what's hanging up there is a bowling ball, not the moon!" She hands you the scroll, you check it and sure enough, what she said is true. All the signatures and seals are there!

False analogy. But nice try.

What motivates them to vehemently deny the obvious?!

Here, I do believe out friend is making an appeal to common sense. Common sense tells you the earth is flat. Don't use it.

What about this? That's WTC6:

And here, Childlike is actually contributing to the discussion, making her infinitely more useful than Godsend in this thread.

[Belz...]

Have you noticed how I just let that crescendo of noise dissipate into nothingness? After all, once we know the truth, it is pointless to keep arguing about it and become obsessed with the gory details! (Gory is not an understatement!)

Typical believer credo. One of the founding principles of skepticism and science is that all knowledge is tentative.

But before we get there, you might be curious to know what events REALLY took place on 9/11, since the 'official' explanation is a fairy tale.

Yes, please tell us.

We are slowly converging on the 'WHO', so be prepared for Shock and Awe ;)

Oh, I'm certain I've never heard it before... I'm sweating in anticipation. :rolleyes:

Some Americans can still SEE (and THINK) for themselves!

Which is a dangerous way of thinking. When you think your lack of knowledge, and reliance on common sense, trumps the certain knowledge and experience of thousands of real experts from around the world, and you've "discovered" something that they all missed, or ignored, then you're on your way for a no-return trip to paranoialand.

You mistake arrogance for authority.

See folks ? This is what happens when you live your life in isolation, bitter about not beign worth more to the world. You start wanting to mean something, and this leads to THAT kind of delusion.

They live in a world of spontaneously collapsing skyscrapers and planes which crash into buildings without leaving a recognizable trace.

And again with the lying. See how he makes it appear as though giant jets DIDN'T creash, fuel-laden, into steel buildings ? How honest is that ?

Someone obviously told them that it was gonna fall! The FDNY firefighters just do what they are told!

Obviously ? The man makes up evidence, and calls it obvious. Never mind the fact that 7 WTC was blowing smoke over its entire height; something that indicates damage and fires. It's a good thing none of those explosives were damaged!

[Belz...]

When it is known that a building is going to collapse via a controlled demolition, it is prudent to set up a 'controlled collapse zone', so the debris will not fall on firefighters or bystanders.

Godsend's trying to have it both ways. He likes his cake, but it's Soooo good!

How can the firefighters KNOW about the collapse from someone else, and didn't see any reason for it to collapse, and still NOT be accessory to murder, you ask ? I've got the same problem.

That last period signifies the send of a sentence and the end of this discussion.

Ah, yes. Godsend commands.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_608046167a055b1d1.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5007)

[aggle-rithm]

GodSend,

A word about your opening post:

Is it really that simple? YES, IT IS!

May I suggest to you that your view of the world and the world itself are two different things? And that it is your worldview that is simple, not the real world?

[Rika]

He isn't posting today apparently

(I will not make any other posts on this thread today. It is a day of Remembrance. "Remember your Creator before the silver cord is loosed". Jesus the Christ said: "No one comes to the Father except by Me".)

With that in mind, I'm demoing a picture I found.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1534346167fec934e1.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5008)

[David Wong]

Let me break it down for you so maybe you'll follow....

The FDNY reported WTC7 was structurally unstable, would collapse as a result and they pulled back for that reason. THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE FDNY!

Now there are two ways to reconcile the FDNY reports with why WTC7 fell:
1) WTC7 was indeed structurally unstable (which does not jive with a demolition) and collapsed as a result just as the FDNY predicted it would

2) WTC7 was demolished with (silent) bombs and the FDNY made up a cover story by pointing to structural instability.

In light of FDNY reports, you simply cannot have a demolition of WTC7 without FDNY involvement in the execution or (at the very least) coverup.

Nothing further should happen in this thread until Godsend answer this.

I predict he never, ever, ever will.

[GodSend]

Well, it is now April 7, 2007 where I am and (Green) Comet Lovejoy is on its way through Aquila!

To all those who claim that I am anti-Semitic, listen up (again)!:

I am a Jew!

What kind of Jew?

Not a Zionist 'Jew' - they are impostors!

This kind of Jew:

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/about/statementoffaith

Did (real) Jews 'do' 9/11? Certainly not! Did 'Mosaic' Jews 'do' 9/11? Certainly not. Did Zionist non-Jews and worshipers in "The Synagogue of Satan" 'do' 9/11? CERTAINLY!

SEE how simple it all is! :)


GodSend you were previously put on notice not to spam the forum by cross-posting the same post. This is now an infraction warning.

[GodSend]

aggle.....:

Oh, my! - another doggie avatar - the kennel here is getting full!

You may suggest anything you like - but it means nothing ;)

[GodSend]

David Wong and CHF:

Yes you can!

"They have ears but they cannot hear"

[The Doc]

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9.../gz/boyle.html (http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/boyle.html)
“Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.”



http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...IC/9110462.PDF (http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110462.PDF)
“Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.”



http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e...1521846767-634 (http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-634)
“The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt.”

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/9...gz/hayden.html (http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html)
“Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.”



All liars? All "in on it"?

GODSEND - Please answer my question. :)

[GodSend]

You SEE, my Dear Listeners, "The word of God is living and powerful and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart". The Word is the Sword of God and it will defeat all lies and deceptions of the Sons of Darkness. They and their evil deeds (including, but not limited to 9/11 by any means) will be EXPOSED (more like dragged) into the light and then 97% of Americans will be SERIOUSLY ANNOYED. SO ANNOYED, that the Zionist evildoers will have to run. Let them run (probably to Israel, like so many other criminals) BUT THEY CAN'T HIDE :) God is gonna 'smoke 'em out' ;) Totally unlike Bush 'smoked out' Osama :eek:

[The Doc]

You SEE, my Dear Listeners, "The word of God is living and powerful and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart". The Word is the Sword of God and it will defeat all lies and deceptions of the Sons of Darkness. They and their evil deeds (including, but not limited to 9/11 by any means) will be EXPOSED (more like dragged) into the light and then 97% of Americans will be SERIOUSLY ANNOYED. SO ANNOYED, that the Zionist evildoers will have to run. Let them run (probably to Israel, like so many other criminals) BUT THEY CAN'T HIDE :) God is gonna 'smoke 'em out' ;) Totally unlike Bush 'smoked out' Osama :eek:

Dear "Listeners",

Please note that I have posted a response three times to which Godsend has not responded to.

[GodSend]

Hey Doc:

They made a simple error in judgment! People do that all the time. Guess how many errors in judgment Bush has made since occupying the WH in 2001? Did you say "Too many to count"? BINGO! :) And that's NOT counting the 'high crimes and misdemeanors' :eek:

PS Why do you and others persist in trying to make this a complex issue? Do you take Americans for Dummies? They can SEE WITH THEIR OWN EYES WTC#7 collapse straight down in a controlled demolition. It's not necessary to prove the obvious! Anyone around here prove lately that the moon is not a bowling ball! ;) To insist and repeat ad infinitum that it is, is PROOF of (attempted, but destined to fail) DECEPTION!

That's a rhetorical question and does not require an answer. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! (it's all explained on my website and in this Forum)

[The Doc]

No "error of judgment" was made. Firefighters on the scene (not on Google Video), said that there were huge structural failures in the building, and they thought these structural failures would cause the building to collapse. Since then, video and images are available showing an enormous gash on the South face of WTC7, and a chunk taken out of the bottom floors of the South West corner. As it turns out, the building did collapse just as the firefighters had predicted it would.

These firefighters conducted an assessment on the building's structural integrity and determined it would collapse. The fact that you are suggesting that the FDNY's upper ranks killed 343 of their own men is despicable. You have no morals, and you are a disgrace to the whole of humanity.

What you are having severe trouble understanding is how controlled demolitions don't just involve the building collapsing. They involve:

1) Pre-Weakening
2) Preparation involving large amounts of detonation cord and explosive devices.
3) Detonation of devices in a rapid sequence
4) Building collapse

The fact that you can't proving any evidence that steps 1, 2 and 3 ever occurred ruins your case.

If WTC7 was a demolition we would expect:
1) Reports of strange activity in the building before 9/11. This includes the removal of sections of walls, and a large amount of detonation workers, drilling, etc.

2) Reports from people inside the building mentioning large amounts of detonation cord throughout the building and reports of explosives being placed.

3) We would see and hear explosives going off before the collapse. Explosives in a controlled demolition are loud and bright. Yet we have no evidence.

4) There would be remains of explosive charges in the form of physical sections of the devices, chemical residue of explosives and possibly even unexploded devices.

There is no evidence to suggest a controlled demolition took place at WTC7. It collapsed quickly and neatly to the naked eye viewing a compressed video shot from miles away, sure. Anyone who has done the slightest bit of research would know that WTC7 greatly damaged surrounding buildings, collapsed on an angle and suffered from conditions that were sufficient to cause the building to collapse straight down.

[boloboffin]

I'm really glad Godsend showed up. He's a great example to show just why I personally dislike conspiracy theorizing. He's not politically based at all, although he rails against the governments of the world. Pelosi or Clinton, Bush or Olmert, it's all the Tower of Babel to him, which the Lord Jesus Christ is going to strike at any moment. There's too much of the same language going on - globalization is proceeding apace, and that means the Beast is at hand. Our friends from Loose Change can be just as religious about their beliefs as Godsend, and just as cross about the NWO. But they are mere sprouts next to this guy. He is the genuine McCoy. I've known people like this my whole life.

The true root of all conspiracy theory is false pattern recognition. False positives! The scientific method does its level best to weed them out of human thought, but they will persist. And when you have a mind being fed by that sine qua non of pattern reinforcement, the Apocalypse of John, the false positives will never cease. The author of that dense narrative was writing it about the Roman Empire, but the poor will always be with us, as will empire. This is the model that Godsend uses to view the world - it's as rich with metaphor as an Egyptian king's tomb, and just as arresting and vivid.

It's something with which the worldview of science can barely compete. There's no chance of us ripping Godsend away from his worldview. It is a dark and bloody one - a perusal of his website makes that clear. But it is a world in which Godsend matters, in which he has his self-approved meaning.

It is hard to argue with endomorphines.

Hey, Godsend! I bet you still have your original copy of None Dare Call It Treason. Am I right? :)

[Foolmewunz]

Jews for Jesus? I guess that's what we used to call a "reformed" Jew?

To quote Dershowitz, "A Jew for Jesus already has a name: A Christian."

Just for the record, I'm Jewish by bloodline, not beliefs. Judaism is a faith, but it's also considered by many to be a race, so I always make the distinction.

The JFJ link certainly explains your evangelical zealotry, energy, and closed-mindedness.

I suppose one isn't allowed to ask why a Christian is promoting Neturei Karta on his site? Aren't we supposed to believe that you're not a holocaust denier?

[Belz...]

You SEE, my Dear Listeners, "The word of God is living and powerful and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart".

Oh, yes. Quoting the bible sure helps one's arguments about the World Trade Center...

The Word is the Sword of God and it will defeat all lies and deceptions of the Sons of Darkness.

Perhaps, but in how many millenia, again ?

They and their evil deeds (including, but not limited to 9/11 by any means) will be EXPOSED (more like dragged) into the light and then 97% of Americans will be SERIOUSLY ANNOYED.

97%... what the hell are you smoking ?

SO ANNOYED, that the Zionist evildoers will have to run.

No, they won't. They've been invisible for thousands of years. No one can fin them. They are the Bigfoot of the political world.

Let them run (probably to Israel, like so many other criminals) BUT THEY CAN'T HIDE :) God is gonna 'smoke 'em out' ;)

How ? By throwing cosmic-energy smoke grenades at them ?

[Belz...]

They made a simple error in judgment! People do that all the time. Guess how many errors in judgment Bush has made since occupying the WH in 2001? Did you say "Too many to count"? BINGO! :) And that's NOT counting the 'high crimes and misdemeanors' :eek:

So... because Bush makes mistakes, they made a mistake at that very moment ? That's a weird inference.

PS Why do you and others persist in trying to make this a complex issue?

Because it is.

Do you take Americans for Dummies? They can SEE WITH THEIR OWN EYES WTC#7 collapse straight down in a controlled demolition.

It's the "in a controlled demolition" I have issue with. In order for them to SEE that WITH THEIR OWN EYES, they'd also have to see the multiple detonations, and hear them as well. How obvious is that ?

It's not necessary to prove the obvious!

Oh, yes it is.

Anyone around here prove lately that the moon is not a bowling ball! ;) To insist and repeat ad infinitum that it is, is PROOF of (attempted, but destined to fail) DECEPTION!

It would be if you could prove it.

That's a rhetorical question and does not require an answer. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

No, you have no idea who I am.

[westprog]

Hey Doc:

They made a simple error in judgment! People do that all the time. Guess how many errors in judgment Bush has made since occupying the WH in 2001? Did you say "Too many to count"? BINGO! :) And that's NOT counting the 'high crimes and misdemeanors' :eek:

PS Why do you and others persist in trying to make this a complex issue? Do you take Americans for Dummies? They can SEE WITH THEIR OWN EYES WTC#7 collapse straight down in a controlled demolition. It's not necessary to prove the obvious! Anyone around here prove lately that the moon is not a bowling ball! ;) To insist and repeat ad infinitum that it is, is PROOF of (attempted, but destined to fail) DECEPTION!

That's a rhetorical question and does not require an answer. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! (it's all explained on my website and in this Forum)


It's a strange viewpoint - that if something falls straight down, it must be a controlled demolition. I see things fall straight down every day. When they don't fall straight down, that's a sign of some kind of intervention.

But Godsend - if it's really true that the demolition of WTC7 is so obvious, how many demolition experts and structural engineers have you contacted to confirm your belief? If it's obvious at first glance for a layman, it must be totally transparently clear to an expert.

How many of the firemen who thought the building was certain to collapse have you spoken to? These are not trivial points. If you are claiming to be acting as a Christian, then justice demands that you allow these people to have their say.

[CHF]

GodSend,

you're a lightweight even by twoofer standards. You can't answer questions, can't explain FDNY testimony and simply respond with "but it was a demolition man!"

Pathetic.

Explain the FDNY reports of WTC7s damage or call it quits. You'll have to do better than "they made an error in judgement."

Excuse me? They said WTC7 would fall....it DID fall....and they were wrong???

[GodSend]

CHF:

No, they were right - it DID fall - straight down in a Controlled Demolition. It didn't fall because of whatever structural weaknesses they observed - that's IMPOSSIBLE!

Steel buildings that have been burning for hours have NEVER collapsed like WTC#7 - IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! You cannot argue with an IMPOSSIBILITY, no matter how many arguments and excuses you dream up! Capiche?

[Horatius]

When did this thread stop being about cat pictures?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/94904615873e0d654.jpg

[pomeroo]

To all you listeners:

What follows now from other posters is nothing but noise. The best thing to do about bothersome noise is to shut the window and ignore it! ;) To SEE is to BELIEVE :)

Remember: IT'S SIMPLE.



Yes, you are extremely simple.


Tell us why Silverstein asked a fireman to blow up his building. Why do you suppose he imagined that the NY Fire Department would be able to blow up his building? What is the source of your knowledge?

[Pardalis]

You cannot argue with an IMPOSSIBILITY

An impossibility, like God for example? (at least the one humans made up?)

[chipmunk stew]

When did this thread stop being about cat pictures?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/94904615873e0d654.jpg

I don't know, but thanks for getting it back on track.




...surprise dog attack!

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/cat_dog_fight1.jpg

[CHF]

No, they were right - it DID fall - straight down in a Controlled Demolition. It didn't fall because of whatever structural weaknesses they observed - that's IMPOSSIBLE!

So they observed serious damage which convinced them WTC7 would fall and then on the same day someone blew it up with silent bombs.

Wow, what are the odds?

[kookbreaker]

When did this thread stop being about cat pictures?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/94904615873e0d654.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/kookbreaker/BrothersTunnel.jpg

[CurtC]

No, they were right - it DID fall - straight down in a Controlled Demolition...

Steel buildings that have been burning for hours have NEVER collapsed like WTC#7 - IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!
But wait - if it was impossible for the visible damage and the fire to make it collapse, wouldn't the firefighters be the very first ones to figure this out? Wouldn't they know that it was impossible, therefore any firefighter who warned about its collapse was actually one of the perpetrators? And wouldn't every other FDNY firefighter be complicit in mass murder by keeping his mouth shut for more than five years, since the fires/damage couldn't possibly collapse the building, but the official story is that they did?

You still can't reconcile WTC7's supposed controlled demolition with honest, non-mass murdering firefighters.

[Regnad Kcin]

...No, they were right - it DID fall - straight down in a Controlled Demolition. It didn't fall because of whatever structural weaknesses they observed - that's IMPOSSIBLE!

Steel buildings that have been burning for hours have NEVER collapsed like WTC#7 - IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! You cannot argue with an IMPOSSIBILITY, no matter how many arguments and excuses you dream up! Capiche?Sanctimonious, arrogant, and ignorant... Why, it's the trifecta!

[gumboot]

Whenever overtly religious CTers turn up I go into a cold sweat...

-Gumboot

[Beleth]

P1: A controlled demolition looks like this.
P2: WTC7 looks like this.
C: WTC7 was a controlled demolition.

This commits the same logical fallacy (http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/affirm.htm) as the following:

P1: Cats have four legs.
P2: This table has four legs.
C: This table is a cat.

[chippy]

Hey Doc:

They made a simple error in judgment! People do that all the time. Guess how many errors in judgment Bush has made since occupying the WH in 2001? Did you say "Too many to count"? BINGO! :) And that's NOT counting the 'high crimes and misdemeanors' :eek:

PS Why do you and others persist in trying to make this a complex issue? Do you take Americans for Dummies? They can SEE WITH THEIR OWN EYES WTC#7 collapse straight down in a controlled demolition. It's not necessary to prove the obvious! Anyone around here prove lately that the moon is not a bowling ball! ;) To insist and repeat ad infinitum that it is, is PROOF of (attempted, but destined to fail) DECEPTION!

That's a rhetorical question and does not require an answer. WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! (it's all explained on my website and in this Forum)


In an actual controlled demolition, you can actually see and hear the explosives in the building.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ

There's even an echo.

So how do you explain that when WTC 7 collapses, you can see no controlled demolitions, and you can't hear anything either?

[CHF]

So how do you explain that when WTC 7 collapses, you can see no controlled demolitions, and you can't hear anything either?

The #1 problem for any 9/11 demolition theory.

Twoofers just don't understand how loud these things are.

[gumboot]

1. Watch a video of the WTC#7 collapse.

2. Note that the collapse is uniform and takes just a few seconds.

3. Note that there were just a few random fires in isolated areas of the building. No planes hit the building.

4. What you were watching was a Controlled Demolition. Don't know what a Controlled Demolition looks like? You just saw one! You can watch many others available on the Web.

5. Someone had to set explosive charges throughout this building and they had to go off in a precisely timed manner for the building to collapse as it did.

6. You don't need the NIST or anyone else to tell you what you saw!

7. When Larry Silverstein said "Pull it", he meant push the button to start the sequence of explosions.

8. Unless you are blind, are completely (or just about) devoid of intelligence, or are part of the Conspiracy, you now KNOW that WTC#7 was intentionally collapsed.

9. The only remaining questions that matter are: WHO DID IT AND WHY? (and the rest of 9/11 events)

10. If you still believe the 'Official' explanation for the WTC#7 collapse (final version soon to be released by the NIST), SOMEONE has brainwashed you to believe the equivalent of: Black is White. Now ask yourself again: Who would do that and Why?! Have we passed into '1984'? - You Betcha!


Wow, ten points and nine of them are outright lies...

Well done.

-Gumboot

[JimBenArm]

Wow, ten points and nine of them are outright lies...

Well done.

-Gumboot
Meh. That's all he does. Anything that comes out of his mouth is a lie.

[qarnos]

When did this thread stop being about cat pictures?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/94904615873e0d654.jpg

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/2643461a18b4db706.jpg

James Randi turned my cat into a dog.

[aggle-rithm]

aggle.....:

Oh, my! - another doggie avatar - the kennel here is getting full!

You may suggest anything you like - but it means nothing ;)

Close your mind if you must, but do not disrespect my dog, troll.

He has done nothing to you...yet.

[aggle-rithm]

I don't know, but thanks for getting it back on track.




...surprise dog attack!

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/cat_dog_fight1.jpg

Can't we all just get along?

http://files.dogster.com/pix/dogs/20/306620/306620_1146410622.jpg

[Unfit4Command]

So when are you going to present any EVIDENCE, GodSend? I've been waiting for a few days now...

Please support your claims with facts, not assumptions like "d00d! Look at the way it fell! controlled demolition! silent explosives! The fire fighters can't tell when a building's integrity is in doubt! ERRRR!!"

Thanks :)

[JonnyFive]

P1: A controlled demolition looks like this.
P2: WTC7 looks like this.
C: WTC7 was a controlled demolition.

This commits the same logical fallacy (http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/affirm.htm) as the following:

P1: Cats have four legs.
P2: This table has four legs.
C: This table is a cat.

There sure are a lot of cute table pictures in this thread.

[defaultdotxbe]

There sure are a lot of cute table pictures in this thread.
i think this is a fallacy in itself, all (four-legged) tables may be cats, but it doesnt necessarily follow that all cats are tables

[Unfit4Command]

i think this is a fallacy in itself, all (four-legged) tables may be cats, but it doesnt necessarily follow that all cats are tables

My cat isn't a table, but I think my friends dog is a table...he has 4 legs so that just makes sense.

[Brainache]

i think this is a fallacy in itself, all (four-legged) tables may be cats, but it doesnt necessarily follow that all cats are tables
A friend of mine had a three legged cat. Maybe that one was a stool.

[chipmunk stew]

There sure are a lot of cute table pictures in this thread.
Proof that you can find anything on teh internets:

http://www.brucegray.com/images/cattable.jpg http://images.overstock.com/f/102/3117/8h/www.overstock.com/images/products/P10040998.jpg

[JonnyFive]

i think this is a fallacy in itself, all (four-legged) tables may be cats, but it doesnt necessarily follow that all cats are tables

A fallacy within a fallacy?

[Foolmewunz]

Proof that you can find anything on teh internets:



Sez the guy what just pulled a flame-breathing chipmunk out of his hat in order to post a visual one-liner in another thread!

Nice new avatar.

:alc:

[Horatius]

P1: A controlled demolition looks like this.
P2: WTC7 looks like this.
C: WTC7 was a controlled demolition.

This commits the same logical fallacy (http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/affirm.htm) as the following:

P1: Cats have four legs.
P2: This table has four legs.
C: This table is a cat.



That reminds me, here's a new picture of my tables!


http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/94904615873dd8684.jpg


:)

[GodSend]

Love those cats :)

[The_Fire]

Love those cats :)



Cool....Now about that evidence people have been pestering you about......Where and what is it exactly?

[CurtC]

In the olden days, at times like this the regulars would post recipes. Anyone know a good cat recipe?

[Belz...]

No, they were right - it DID fall - straight down in a Controlled Demolition. It didn't fall because of whatever structural weaknesses they observed - that's IMPOSSIBLE!

Non sequitur. False dichotomy. Speculation. Argument from incredulity. Not quite a record, but close.

Steel buildings that have been burning for hours have NEVER collapsed like WTC#7

Nothing that has never happened before can ever happen in the future. Got it.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE!

Another argument from incredulity. The same, in fact. Say it a third time and it makes it true.

You cannot argue with an IMPOSSIBILITY

Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse.

, no matter how many arguments and excuses you dream up! Capiche?

Wow. That was amazing proof of your point. Oh wait...

[Trigood]

Crap, I just got through this thread. I can never get that time back, thanks a lot Godsend. I think I've reached my arrogant idiot quota for the year.

Godsend, you are a liar. Simple as that. You are using false information to prove a point, and you know it.
Minor correction: He proves nothing. (Except the kind of person he is, of course.)

[Horatius]

In the olden days, at times like this the regulars would post recipes. Anyone know a good cat recipe?



This is the closest I could find (http://www.drinksmixer.com/drink9418.html).

[Unfit4Command]

Love those cats :)

Love that evidence you're presenting.:)

[ktesibios]

Before starting work on a kitten recipe, it's wise to check the kitten for freshness, as any off flavors or odors could adversely affect the final product:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/378461558edc5a86.jpg

[GodSend]

Unfit4Command:

Not only are you unfit 4 Command - you're unfit for Following (cats). If you want evidence, follow instructions: You have to visit my website and STUDY it very carefully! :) Eventually, the 'light' in your head may go 'on' - but I doubt it :(

[GodSend]

WAH:

That's the cutest kittie I've seen in a long time! :) Thanks for posting it!

[GodSend]

twinstead:

Did I get that right? You're an arrogant idiot and you reached your quota for the year? What's your quota?

OK, Lisa, (eavesdropper galore) before you get your knickers in a twist, examine that sentence carefully! twinstead used the phrase "arrogant idiot". I'm simply repeating it, seeking clarification :eek:

[Horatius]

Unfit4Command:

Not only are you unfit 4 Command - you're unfit for Following (cats). If you want evidence, follow instructions: You have to visit my website and STUDY it very carefully! :) Eventually, the 'light' in your head may go 'on' - but I doubt it :(



Why is it we are expected to "follow instructions" to visit your hatesite, but you don't have to "follow instructions" to actually post your "evidence" here?

Double standard much?

Now the thread should end.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/9490461af3d506ab7.jpg

[Unfit4Command]

Unfit4Command:

Not only are you unfit 4 Command - you're unfit for Following (cats). If you want evidence, follow instructions: You have to visit my website and STUDY it very carefully! :) Eventually, the 'light' in your head may go 'on' - but I doubt it :(

This is the best evidence you have? "Not only are you unfit4 Command." Great one.
When are you going to reply to all of the points people have made in this thread that COMPLETELY prove your first few points about WTC 7 being a controlled demolition wrong? I'm still waiting for that.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_7583461af84bb7687.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5085)