My Steorn Conspiracy Theory

[g4macdad]

America's money is pretty much worthless without oil to back it. There have been thousands of claims of free energy in the past, but the subject has grown in popularity lately in the main stream, due to the internet. I have learned of many Over-Unity machine conspiracy theories in the past few months alone. Are any of them true? I have no idea. But this country has allot to lose if free energy becomes easily attainable. I keep hearing how Steorn must have a real machine because they have nothing to gain from lying about it. Maybe. But what if they have already been paid off? What if they never had an OU machine. What if they were paid to make this false claim? So when all the scientists discover this, they would get laughed at by the scientific community for thinking the had broken the COE law. All future Free energy claims would not be taken seriously. This would be very beneficial to people wishing to keep oil as our top energy source.

It's all in theory though =P

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[T.A.M.]

I do not know much on this topic, but I thought I'd take this opportunity to welcome you to the forum g4macdad.

TAM:)

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Relevant thread of discussion from different subforum:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64528

[Alt+F4]

The idea of a perpetual motion machine isn't a conspiracy, it's just bad science.

[rwguinn]

America's money is pretty much worthless without oil to back it. There have been thousands of claims of free energy in the past, but the subject has grown in popularity lately in the main stream, due to the internet. I have learned of many Over-Unity machine conspiracy theories in the past few months alone. Are any of them true? I have no idea. But this country has allot to lose if free energy becomes easily attainable. I keep hearing how Steorn must have a real machine because they have nothing to gain from lying about it. Maybe. But what if they have already been paid off? What if they never had an OU machine. What if they were paid to make this false claim? So when all the scientists discover this, they would get laughed at by the scientific community for thinking the had broken the COE law. All future Free energy claims would not be taken seriously. This would be very beneficial to people wishing to keep oil as our top energy source.

It's all in theory though =P

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Over-Unity machines are a scam, not a conspiracy (unless there is moe than one inventor-developer)
Over-Unity machines would cause the Sun to go out, Earth to leave its Orbit, and all electrical and mechanical devices would cease working, since the theories that regulate their action would be instantly invalid.
Breaking the laws of man can get you jail time.
Attempting to break the laws of nature is generally fatal.

[uk_dave]

I dunno...to me OU means beardy weirdies in wing collars and kipper ties trying to teach the great unwashed advanced physics at 3:00am.... it could have been a conspiracy....

...and then again, it might just have been the invention of VHS.

[g4macdad]

Erm, Have you guys heard of the Tesla coil?

[cloudshipsrule]

There have been thousands of claims of free energy in the past, but the subject has grown in popularity lately in the main stream, due to the internet.

I'm in the power generation business, and we have no worries about 'free energy'. It is a myth, and from a scientific standpoint, impossible as long as gravity is in the mix.

[rwguinn]

Erm, Have you guys heard of the Tesla coil?
Do a search, on the USer Control Panel.
There are only about 30 pages of stuff on it, from this sub, to the challange forum to science and mathematics fora...
Knockyuself out reading about it.

[Brainster]

The no-planers like to claim that Steven Jones ruined cold fusion for mankind.

:rolleyes:

[uk_dave]

The no-planers like to claim that Steven Jones ruined cold fusion for mankind.

:rolleyes:

Yeah but he's currently working on the infinite improbability drive.......

...that'll boil your eggs in the morning.

[steve s]

But what if they have already been paid off? What if they never had an OU machine. What if they were paid to make this false claim? So when all the scientists discover this, they would get laughed at by the scientific community for thinking the had broken the COE law. All future Free energy claims would not be taken seriously. This would be very beneficial to people wishing to keep oil as our top energy source.

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I'm sorry but this is lunacy. Do you really think that if someone really does discover OU (impossible, of course) that they'll let some laughter and riducule deter them from developing their idea.

Equally crazy is the idea that oil companies are buying up valid PM machine patents to keep them off the market. So someone has an invention that will guarantee him tens of billions of dollars, but he agrees to sell his patent to the oil companies for what....a few million bucks?:eye-poppi

Steve S.

[steve s]

Yeah but he's currently working on the infinite improbability drive.......


If it's infinitely improbable, it must be finitely probable.

Steve S.

[uk_dave]

If it's infinitely improbable, it must be finitely probable.

Steve S.

Probably.

[CurtC]

So when all the scientists discover this, they would get laughed at by the scientific community for thinking the had broken the COE law. All future Free energy claims would not be taken seriously.
All that anyone needs to do, for over-unity claims to be taken seriously, is to build one that works. Support of the general scientific community is completely unnecessary if you have a machine that net outputs energy. It would be a virtual license to print money.

For some reason, though, no one has ever build one. Hmmm.

[cloudshipsrule]

For some reason, though, no one has ever build one. Hmmm.

Could be no one who has previously tried had quantum glue or carbon nanotubes. Now we have one of those items. It's only a matter of time now. Only a matter of time!

[Horatius]

What if they were paid to make this false claim? So when all the scientists discover this, they would get laughed at by the scientific community for thinking the had broken the COE law. All future Free energy claims would not be taken seriously.


The problem with this theory is, OU devices are already laughed at by the scientific community. Why pay yet another fraud to cause something that's already happening?




Equally crazy is the idea that oil companies are buying up valid PM machine patents to keep them off the market. So someone has an invention that will guarantee him tens of billions of dollars, but he agrees to sell his patent to the oil companies for what....a few million bucks?:eye-poppi

Steve S.



And, BTW, patents are public documents, so "buying them up" can't conceal the information anyways.

And at least in Canada, a patentee who deliberately prevents their patented technology from being used, can be sued for abuse of their patent rights. The Comissioner of Patents has the authority to issue compulsive licences in such cases, so that those who desire to use the technology can. They still have to pay a reasonable fee, but that fee is also determined by the CoP, so even then, the patentee cannot set so high a fee as to make it impossible to get a licence.

So another good myth knocked down.

[g4macdad]

Oh, I see you guys misunderstood me. I was so confused.

No, no see what I was saying was, they never had a machine at all, but someone funded them for publicity, to let any fence sitters who had hopes for free energy, down. Hard. Then the interest goes away and the oil is safe again.

I believe at least one claim, although it is not free energy, Tesla's coil. This is scientific fact, am I wrong?<------- question


PS. there is no need to add the rolling eyes smily to replies. Just make a note when you are not being sarcastic.



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[Horatius]

Oh, I see you guys misunderstood me. I was so confused.

No, no see what I was saying was, they never had a machine at all, but someone funded them for publicity, to let any fence sitters who had hopes for free energy, down. Hard. Then the interest goes away and the oil is safe again.



You seem to have some sort of difficulty with reading comprehension. We all know what you meant, but obviously you didn't understand what I wrote:

The problem with this theory is, OU devices are already laughed at by the scientific community. Why pay yet another fraud to cause something that's already happening?



I believe at least one claim, although it is not free energy, Tesla's coil. This is scientific fact, am I wrong?<------- question

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What is scientific fact? What exactly is it you believe about Tesla Coils? They certainly exist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil), so what is it about them that you expect us to disagree with?

If you want to fight, you've at least got to let us know what to fight about! It's only fair! ;)

[Horatius]

PS. there is no need to add the rolling eyes smily to replies. Just make a note when you are not being sarcastic.
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FSM darned edit function.....I'm never sarcastic! Except when I am. Smiliey usage isn't just for your benefit. We have several posters who are not native English speakers, and several more who don't speak sarcasm, so we need to point it out for their benefit.


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[humingbrd]

FSM darned edit function.....I'm never sarcastic! Except when I am. Smiliey usage isn't just for your benefit. We have several posters who are not native English speakers, and several more who don't speak sarcasm, so we need to point it out for their benefit.


"Oh stewardess, I speak sarcasm."

[g4macdad]

You seem to have some sort of difficulty with reading comprehension. We all know what you meant, but obviously you didn't understand what I wrote:








What is scientific fact? What exactly is it you believe about Tesla Coils? They certainly exist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil), so what is it about them that you expect us to disagree with?

If you want to fight, you've at least got to let us know what to fight about! It's only fair! ;)
Fight? This was actually a sorta "fun" theory. The purpose of the coil was to transmit longitudinal electrical waves through the air. This was a huge improvement to our current electrical transmission system. (which he also invented.)

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[defaultdotxbe]

Fight? This was actually a sorta "fun" theory. The purpose of the coil was to transmit longitudinal electrical waves through the air. This was a huge improvement to our current electrical transmission system. (which he also invented.)

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so whats the conspiracy? that utility companies refuse to use an unmetered distribution method or electricity?

as long as it costs the utility companies money to make electricty its going to cost you money to use it, its not a conpsiracy, its business

[g4macdad]

so whats the conspiracy? that utility companies refuse to use an unmetered distribution method or electricity?

as long as it costs the utility companies money to make electricty its going to cost you money to use it, its not a conpsiracy, its business

Exactly what fuels conspiracies: business.

I had heard that scientists disputed the whole concept of longitudinal electromagtetic waves. Why has this research been almost completely abandoned?

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[defaultdotxbe]

Exactly what fuels conspiracies: business.

I had heard that scientists disputed the whole concept of longitudinal electromagtetic waves. Why has this research been almost completely abandoned?

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ive never anyone dispute the concept, from what i understand its simply transmitting electricity through high powered radio waves, ive even got instructions on how to build an antenna to pull electricity from the radio and tv waves we use not, its not much, but its there, deosnt seem liek theres much research to be done

the problem lies in the fact that generating such high powered waves will cost some high powered money, so of course any company doing this will want to bill its customers, but AFAIK theres no way to see who is using your power, and how much they are using, also, because of the way this would work much of the energy broadcast will go to waste, beaming uselessly out into space, or into the ground, so its not a very effecient method

so essentially, until there is a way to generate enormous amounts of electricity for little or no money, this means of distributing the energy will be useless

[g4macdad]

ive never anyone dispute the concept, from what i understand its simply transmitting electricity through high powered radio waves, ive even got instructions on how to build an antenna to pull electricity from the radio and tv waves we use not, its not much, but its there, deosnt seem liek theres much research to be done

the problem lies in the fact that generating such high powered waves will cost some high powered money, so of course any company doing this will want to bill its customers, but AFAIK theres no way to see who is using your power, and how much they are using, also, because of the way this would work much of the energy broadcast will go to waste, beaming uselessly out into space, or into the ground, so its not a very effecient method

so essentially, until there is a way to generate enormous amounts of electricity for little or no money, this means of distributing the energy will be useless
But isn't it hard to believe that after all his other groundbreaking inventions, that this one would be so useless? I thought it used more energy but at the same time didn't waste much at all compared to his current method: Polyphase Alternating Current.

[Horatius]

But isn't it hard to believe that after all his other groundbreaking inventions, that this one would be so useless?


Why is that surprising? Do you expect 100% success from anyone else?

One of the deep dark secrets in the patent world is, about 90% of patents never really ammount to much of anything. It's the 10% that do that makes the effort worthwhile.



ETA: also, "useless" is a bit harsh. Rather say, "less useful than alternatives that found better market acceptance".

[defaultdotxbe]

But isn't it hard to believe that after all his other groundbreaking inventions, that this one would be so useless? I thought it used more energy but at the same time didn't waste much at all compared to his current method: Polyphase Alternating Current.
well as i said its all about metering, the utility company cant bill you for what you use, sure at the consumer level its "free energy" but the utility companies will pay out the a$$ for it, then go bankrupt, then no one has any energy, free or otherwise :)

i hoestly cant think of any practical applications for it that dont result in losses for utility companies, maybe transmitting power to the ISS, but at that point solar power works just as well

[kookbreaker]

Fight? This was actually a sorta "fun" theory. The purpose of the coil was to transmit longitudinal electrical waves through the air. This was a huge improvement to our current electrical transmission system. (which he also invented.)

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Tesla coils were an amazingly inefficient way to transmit electricity. Tons of energy is wasted spreading to areas that don;t need it, and the waste for items that are not light bulbs would be horrendous. I can hold up a flourescant light around a tesla coil and it will light it up nicely (if wastefully). Now if were to bring my computer into the same range I would probably have a fried bunch of components.

This also ignores all the other hazards of a tesla coil driven system: Imagine trying to use something flammable when sparks are coming off of everything made of metal!

[Horatius]

i hoestly cant think of any practical applications for it that dont result in losses for utility companies, maybe transmitting power to the ISS, but at that point solar power works just as well



Well, as you suggest, it's useful for applications where you don't care too much about economic losses, but you do need power at a location that is difficult to wire.

I had a ...... friend ..... who claimed to have run a nice little business "wiring" grow ops in BC with Tesla coils. They were popular because it made it harder to find the op site, you see :) Allegedly, of course. This was the guy who also wanted to build a rocket in his backyard. Crazy Chainsaw would like him.

[Foolmewunz]

What's with you All Purpose New and Improved Troofers with the number and letter combination screen-names? It's not like all the words in the western languages are taken.

So it's Big Oil, Big Energy, Big Government, Big Banking, Big Bad Wolf, eh?

G4whatever, why don't you list the CT's you don't support and make it easier for us. We can divide into teams and thrash you by topic or do you just need a generic whupping?

[westprog]

So it's Big Oil, Big Energy, Big Government, Big Banking, Big Bad Wolf, eh?


There is an issue with new technology not being taken up. Whether it's due to Big Oil or not is another matter. Having been involved with this in a peripheral way for many years, (http://www.azcars.eu/wdfdi/index.htm) I'd blame apathy and inertia.

Incidentally, the PM machines and the cars that run on water may get the media attention, but it's more subtle improvements that matter.

[g4macdad]

What's with you All Purpose New and Improved Troofers with the number and letter combination screen-names? It's not like all the words in the western languages are taken.

So it's Big Oil, Big Energy, Big Government, Big Banking, Big Bad Wolf, eh?

G4whatever, why don't you list the CT's you don't support and make it easier for us. We can divide into teams and thrash you by topic or do you just need a generic whupping?

No! There is nothing to worry about. Head back to your pasture and continue grazing. Every thing is fine citizens.

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[kookbreaker]

No! There is nothing to worry about. Head back to your pasture and continue grazing. Every thing is fine citizens.

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Conspiracy Theories are the Opiates of the Self-Impressed

[Loss Leader]

Conspiracy Theories are the Opiates of the Self-Impressed



No, G4 is after much bigger fish ... Jesus fish to be exact.

[g4macdad]

There is an issue with new technology not being taken up. Whether it's due to Big Oil or not is another matter. Having been involved with this in a peripheral way for many years, (http://www.azcars.eu/wdfdi/index.htm) I'd blame apathy and inertia.

Incidentally, the PM machines and the cars that run on water may get the media attention, but it's more subtle improvements that matter.

What is that in your avie? A chocolate dalek cake? Just wondering =)

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[g4macdad]

Conspiracy Theories are the Opiates of the Self-Impressed

You sure have honed your skill in offending well.

I'm sure it will take you far.

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[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You sure have honed your skill in offending well.

I'm sure it will take you far.

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Probably further than your insipid blathering.

[fuelair]

I do not know much on this topic, but I thought I'd take this opportunity to welcome you to the forum g4macdad.

TAM:)
Bet you regret the above now!! We try to be nice and........:D

[fuelair]

You sure have honed your skill in offending well.

I'm sure it will take you far.

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And that would be a shining example of the BITING HUMOR you mention in some other drivel spot of yours. Wow. I'm really (snicker, snicker) impressed (snort, snicker snicker) with this. (:D :D :D :D)

Now, little guy get to bed before your mommy catches you trying to play with the grownups!!