Could this be a case of the biggest waste of celluoid?

[Mocker Wall]

Freddy vs. Jason (http://movies.go.com/movies/F/freddyvs.jason_tbd/)

Is this trip really necessary? What could be the motive behind this drek (other then the obvious $$$)? What's going to be next? Luke vs. Alien?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Mocker Wall
Freddy vs. Jason (http://movies.go.com/movies/F/freddyvs.jason_tbd/)

Is this trip really necessary? What could be the motive behind this drek (other then the obvious $$$)? What's going to be next? Luke vs. Alien?

Well, given that every Friday The 13th movie SUCKED, and every NMOES after the first one SUCKED, what did you expect?

[Leif Roar]

Originally posted by Mocker Wall
Luke vs. Alien?

Thank you so much! :mad: Now I have the mental image of Luke Skywalker facing down the alien queen stuck in my mind: "No. I am your mother."

[JesFine]

I am officially making the following prediction about this movie:

The trailer is going to be awesome. The movie is going to suck.

That oughta do it.

Seriously, how will this end? Jason wins? Freddie wins? They tie? Some third party comes in and kicks both their butts? They team up and take over the world? Maybe they get into politics or start a school for the blind. But yes, you're right, if this movie makes $$$ we can look forward to all kinds of rip-offs.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by JesFine
I am officially making the following prediction about this movie:

The trailer is going to be awesome. The movie is going to suck.

That oughta do it.

Seriously, how will this end? Jason wins? Freddie wins? They tie? Some third party comes in and kicks both their butts? They team up and take over the world? Maybe they get into politics or start a school for the blind. But yes, you're right, if this movie makes $$$ we can look forward to all kinds of rip-offs.

After some recent trips down to the video shop and looking in the $2 ex-rental for sale box, I am amazed at what is made and actually makes it to rental. So much money spent on so much dross. You can rest safely in the knowledge, that, no matter how bad it is, there is always something worse out there.

And how about Michael Myers? He was first, wasn't he?

[HarryKeogh]

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer


Well, given that every Friday The 13th movie SUCKED, and every NMOES after the first one SUCKED, what did you expect?

couldnt agree with you more. the first nightmare was pretty clever and had some genuine scares but other than that you just have two awful movie franchises.

[Tricky]

My prediction? They both die, but their bodies are never found. (Cue spooky music...)

[Charlie Monoxide]

Hollywood is totally bereft of creativity. I'm not sure of the number, but most of the movies in the last 5 to 10 years have been rehashes or part 2's of other "successful" movies.

Charlie (movies, they're a business, not an art form) Monoxide

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by JesFine

Seriously, how will this end? Jason wins? Freddie wins? They tie? Some third party comes in and kicks both their butts? .

Micheal Myers (the villian from Halloween, not the guy that played in Austin Powers), would wipe the floor with both of them.

[Hexxenhammer]

On the same note, "Aliens vs Preadtor" is actually going to be made sometime in the near future. I'll be the first in line for that one.

[Halbert]

I actually rather enjoyed the first F13. I mean sure, it was a silly horror movie, but it was creative enough, especially since I did NOT know the 'twist' beforehand. I didn't even think to guess at it, since I was expecting...

spoiler here:
Jason to be the bad guy, as in the later movies, which I HAD seen. It was cool that he was not.
Spoiler over.

I don't think Jason vs. Freddy can even possibly be worse than Jason X, where Jason is re-animated in the far future on a space ship.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by a_unique_person

And how about Michael Myers? He was first, wasn't he?

Yes, and Halloween was far and away the best film. But then they made sequels. :(

[JesFine]

I just went to the Freddy vs. Jason (http://us.imdb.com/Details?0329101) page on imdb. Not to give anything away, but Freddy gets 1st billing while Jason gets 6th, behind such luminaries as Kelly Rowland, formerly of Destiny's Child and Jason Ritter, who is quite possibly John Ritter's son. Also, it is produced by New Line Cinema, who produced all of the Freddy movies, but only two Jason movies.

Anyone wanna bet me who wins this thing?

[Leif Roar]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
On the same note, "Aliens vs Preadtor" is actually going to be made sometime in the near future. I'll be the first in line for that one.

So... they're basically going to make a movie about a monster we'll only catch glimpses off fighting against a creature that most of the time is invisible? :-P Should be fun.

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Leif Roar


So... they're basically going to make a movie about a monster we'll only catch glimpses off fighting against a creature that most of the time is invisible? :-P Should be fun.
Uh...yeah...But think of the explosions! And the blood spray!

[Checkmite]

Originally posted by Charlie Monoxide
I'm not sure of the number, but most of the movies in the last 5 to 10 years have been rehashes or part 2's of other "successful" movies.


I'm not sure of the number either, but I wouldn't say "most".

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Joshua Korosi


I'm not sure of the number either, but I wouldn't say "most".

Maybe not most, but the number of reruns is incredible. And most of them aren't any better than the original, which makes you wonder why they bothered.

[JesFine]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


Maybe not most, but the number of reruns is incredible. And most of them aren't any better than the original, which makes you wonder why they bothered.

Why They Bothered
by JesFine

$$$$$$$$$$$


The End.

[JesFine]

Originally posted by a_unique_person


Maybe not most, but the number of reruns is incredible. And most of them aren't any better than the original, which makes you wonder why they bothered.

I was an extra on the current #1 box office movie in the US. It is the 3rd part in a trilogy of semi-funny movies. I heard a rumor on the set that the movie was a secondary concern on the part of the movie-makers. In fact, the main focus was the upcoming DVD-trilogy-boxset. For example, they actually set aside time to film "deleted scenes" that never had a chance of making it in the movie.

At least, that was the rumor I heard. ;)

Oh, also, it is the first time I have been in the #1 grossing box office movie. I would like to thank the academy.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
On the same note, "Aliens vs Preadtor" is actually going to be made sometime in the near future. I'll be the first in line for that one.

Alien VS Predator is a useable idea at least: Predator hunts things in hot humid weather for sport, preferably creatures that fight back; aliens are creatures that like hot humid weather and fight back (to put it mildly).

It was also a very successful comic.

Freddy vs Jason, though? What the hell is this, "Death Match Schlock Horror Villians Wrestling"? Will Hulk Hogan get in the cage with the two of them?

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by JesFine


I was an extra on the current #1 box office movie in the US. It is the 3rd part in a trilogy of semi-funny movies. I heard a rumor on the set that the movie was a secondary concern on the part of the movie-makers. In fact, the main focus was the upcoming DVD-trilogy-boxset. For example, they actually set aside time to film "deleted scenes" that never had a chance of making it in the movie.

At least, that was the rumor I heard. ;)

Oh, also, it is the first time I have been in the #1 grossing box office movie. I would like to thank the academy.

If you were in American Pie III, I'm going to hunt you down and kill you just like I will the rest of the cast. Don't expect any mercy just because you post on JREF.

[arcticpenguin]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
On the same note, "Aliens vs Preadtor" is actually going to be made sometime in the near future. I'll be the first in line for that one.
What next, Rocky vs. Rambo?

[JesFine]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
If you were in American Pie III, I'm going to hunt you down and kill you just like I will the rest of the cast. Don't expect any mercy just because you post on JREF.
:D

Well, I haven't seen it yet, but I was filmed for it. I may have ended up on the cutting room floor. The best I can hope for is 3 seconds of air time, from either too far away to really make me out, or from the knees down. Either way I am taking full credit for the success of the movie, and passing the buck on the quality of it.

[headscratcher4]

Don't know if this is the biggest waste, some of us are waiting for Mel Gibson's Jesus vs. Adam Sandler's Little Nicky....

[New Ager]

I want to see the winner of Freddy vs. Jason take on Buffy!

The Buffster would mop the floor with either of them!

[Sandy M]

Biggest waste of celluloid?

I thought that title had recently been claime by "Gigli."
:D

[Peach Jr.]

Originally posted by headscratcher4
Don't know if this is the biggest waste, some of us are waiting for Mel Gibson's Jesus vs. Adam Sandler's Little Nicky....
I might actually watch that one. Rooting, for once, for Adam Sandler :D

Gigli might actually be a good rental, in that MST3K kind of way...

(edited to add) I dont' know about Predator vs. Alien, but I *have* seen this cinematic masterpiece:http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/batman_deadend/

[Brian]

I can't wait to see it. I grew up on that stuff. After Fridat the 13th part 3 it seemed all there was to do was check out what new way they came up with to have Jason murder people, some were quite creative. Some were brutal, others invoked physical comedy, although the punch line was usually a decapitation.
But, I mean c'mon. The triple decap of the paintball guys in part 5, the picking up the sleeping bag with the person in it and slamming it into the tree resulting in a broken back in part 6 (I think), the girls face pushed through the metal door on a camper and the metal stretching into the shape of her face, the double spear impalement of the humping couple in part 2, the guy who gets run through with the metal pole while he's in the porta-potty, I could go on...

I don't want any of this Scream-I know what you did last summer self-referential ironic crap. I want over the top, goofy, porno violence. And boobies! At least two sets of bare boobies, bare minimum. And shortly after I see those boobies the girls wearing them need to be disembowled with farming equipment as they run naked through the woods.

And if Jason and Freddy fight somewhere in there, that's cool too.

[Marc]

Originally posted by Brian
I want over the top, goofy, porno violence. And boobies! At least two sets of bare boobies, bare minimum. And shortly after I see those boobies the girls wearing them need to be disembowled with farming equipment as they run naked through the woods.

And if Jason and Freddy fight somewhere in there, that's cool too.

A man after my own heart... or someone's heart in any case. :)

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By any chance did you like the Final Destination movies? Just watched them again this weekend with my nephews. They loved it.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Marc


A man after my own heart... or someone's heart in any case. :)

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By any chance did you like the Final Destination movies? Just watched them again this weekend with my nephews. They loved it.
Final Destination, the first one, was cute. The airplane part at the beginning was the best part by far though..

[Mr Manifesto]

I saw "House of 1000 Corpses" by Rob Zombie. It was self referential without the LOOKIT ME! LOOKIT MMEEEEEEEEEEEE! of Scream. It also had a killer klown. Gotta love any movie with a gen-ew-wine killer klown.

[Brian]

Hell. I'm looking forward to Jeepers Creepers 2.
When I saw the first one I thought, wow, someone made a real straight forward horror movie for a change. The bad guy even won. Everyone else thought it sucked.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto
I saw "House of 1000 Corpses" by Rob Zombie. It was self referential without the LOOKIT ME! LOOKIT MMEEEEEEEEEEEE! of Scream. It also had a killer klown. Gotta love any movie with a gen-ew-wine killer klown.

I hated 'House of 1000 corpses'. I prefer a psycho-killer movie where the victims at least at least make SOME attempt to fight back or get away. 'House of 1000' corpses was just two hours of these kids being tortured by these psychotic hillbillies. It got old after a while.

On the other hand the four kids in question were so annoying that as each one was offed, the movie got 25% better.

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by JesFine
I am officially making the following prediction about this movie:

The trailer is going to be awesome. The movie is going to suck.



I've seen trailers for it on TV.... They follow a 'boxing' theme...

"In this corner, with over 1200 kills, hailing from Crystal lake, is Jason."

"And in this corner, with over 1300kills, hailing from Death Valley, is Freddy."

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
On the same note, "Aliens vs Preadtor" is actually going to be made sometime in the near future. I'll be the first in line for that one.

Its set for release in August of next year. It supposedly takes place in Antartica.

http://www.film-can.com/cgi-bin/main/mview.cgi?FID=ALI-13

(Sorry, the link doesn't have more info on it.)

[Marc]

Originally posted by Segnosaur


I've seen trailers for it on TV.... They follow a 'boxing' theme...

"In this corner, with over 1200 kills, hailing from Crystal lake, is Jason."

"And in this corner, with over 1300kills, hailing from Death Valley, is Freddy."

On the website they include photos of one of their promotions. A weigh in at Las Vegas. :rolleyes:

Ok, I'm rooting for Freddy, though I expect the film to end in some kind of tie/fight unfinnished/unkown result.

[Aoidoi]

Last I read (don't ask) they promised a definitive winner.

Definately the kind of movie to catch when it comes out on cable (whether it's godawful or merely bad). No way I'm going to a theater for it.

[Chanileslie]

Originally posted by Mocker Wall
Freddy vs. Jason (http://movies.go.com/movies/F/freddyvs.jason_tbd/)

Is this trip really necessary? What could be the motive behind this drek (other then the obvious $$$)? What's going to be next? Luke vs. Alien?

It is simply escapist fun that explores those conversations kids' have like "Who could kick whose butt? Jason or Freddie?". Not my sort of thing, admittedly, but for some a lot of fun. Heck, my husband and son are both quite looking forward to this movie.

[Hexxenhammer]

Originally posted by Segnosaur

Its set for release in August of next year. It supposedly takes place in Antartica.


Sweet. All the best horror movies take place in the arctic. At least "The Thing From Another World" and it's remake "The Thing", and those are the 2 best horror movies (cue comic book guy voice) EVER!

[zakur]

Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
Sweet. All the best horror movies take place in the arctic. At least "The Thing From Another World" and it's remake "The Thing", and those are the 2 best horror movies (cue comic book guy voice) EVER! More details here (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/424/424511p1.html?fromint=1&submit.x=78&submit.y=24) and here (http://www.filmjerk.com/nuke/article531.html).

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Segnosaur


Its set for release in August of next year. It supposedly takes place in Antartica.

http://www.film-can.com/cgi-bin/main/mview.cgi?FID=ALI-13

(Sorry, the link doesn't have more info on it.)

Well, y'know, even though I said that both the Aliens and the Predator like hot, humid weather, both of them are trying to give the other guy a chance so they picked a freezing, dry place to do battle. Macho men (BEM's), I mean, what can you say? They're always swinging their dicks around.

[Checkmite]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


I hated 'House of 1000 corpses'. I prefer a psycho-killer movie where the victims at least at least make SOME attempt to fight back or get away. 'House of 1000' corpses was just two hours of these kids being tortured by these psychotic hillbillies. It got old after a while.

On the other hand the four kids in question were so annoying that as each one was offed, the movie got 25% better.

Point in support. This movie was absolutely horrible. I know it was supposed to be a tribute to the campy 70s horror genre, a la Chainsaw Massacre, but it even failed miserably in that regard, emphasizing the wrong elements. Instead of being a tribute to other movies, it ended up being a parody of itself.

[Brian]

Here's an interesting diversion (high-jack). Which rock stars should be allowed to make horror films? Dee Schnider did, but I didn't see it.

Nick Cave maybe?

Cooper? I dunno, he's more cut out for an over the top psycho-drama/ black comedy.

Maybe Warren Zevon could come up with some morbid good fun.

Glenn Danzig would most likely put out the same crap as Rob Zombie.

Come to think of it, Nick Cave would most likely be the best bet.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Brian
Here's an interesting diversion (high-jack). Which rock stars should be allowed to make horror films? Dee Schnider did, but I didn't see it.

Nick Cave maybe?

Cooper? I dunno, he's more cut out for an over the top psycho-drama/ black comedy.

Maybe Warren Zevon could come up with some morbid good fun.

Glenn Danzig would most likely put out the same crap as Rob Zombie.

Come to think of it, Nick Cave would most likely be the best bet.

Between House of 1000 Corpses and Strangeland I have come to the conclusion that Rock Stars should be banned from making horror movies in general.

I am not a big fan of rock music so I don't know who most of the people you mentioned are.

[Mr Manifesto]

Brian: Did you see Nick Cave in "Ghosts of the Civil Dead"? That movie was awesome. The only thing that really let it down was the colour- it was so crap, even I noticed how bad it was. Someone should try to restore it.

[Iridescent]

Originally posted by Mr Manifesto


Alien VS Predator is a useable idea at least: Predator hunts things in hot humid weather for sport, preferably creatures that fight back; aliens are creatures that like hot humid weather and fight back (to put it mildly).

It was also a very successful comic.


Aliens Vs Predator 2 was one of my favorite First Person Shooters, also. And I think the idea is supported in the movies; I believe there were even Alien skulls in the predators' ship in the second movie.

And don't forget Mr. T Vs Everything (http://www.mrtvseverything.com/MrTvs.html). Including Mr. T Vs Aliens Vs Predator, though that one seems to be gone at the moment.

[arcticpenguin]

CNN has posted their review of Freddy vs. Jason (http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/08/15/sprj.cas03.review.freddy.jason.ap/index.html).

(AP) -- No one really wins in "Freddy vs. Jason," the showdown between horror icons Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees -- except maybe the manufacturers of their trademark red-and-green striped sweater and hockey mask, which prove indestructible.

More marketing gimmick than a film with anything resembling substance or plot, "Freddy vs. Jason" combines elements of both the "Nightmare on Elm Street" and "Friday the 13th" movies.
I don't think they liked it.

Here's a review of another really really bad movie: Indian version of Superman (http://www.stomptokyo.com/movies/s/superman-indian.html)

[Marc]

Just saw the movie, I thought it was great!!

If you like Friday 13, Nightmare, Final Destination kind of films where they have a sence of humor then it's good. The premise of the film is the town has finally found a way to defeat Freddy, by forgetting him. He gets his power from the fear he generates among the young. The adults have made sure that none of the teens in the town have ever heard of him. The few that had were shipped off years ago to an asylum and given daily doses of anti-dreaming drugs. Freddy is forgotten and powerless. Not happy with that he finds he can reach into the 'dream' of Jason, since Jason can't truly die. He gives Jason a dream of his mother, telling him to wake up and go to Elm Street to punish the kids there.
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They get two face-to-face fights. Heard there was a definite winner, but they were able to keep you guessing until the end, the fight was very close.

Can't wait for the rematch. :D

[Nyarlathotep]

I just saw it over the weekend and I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would. I don't want to spoil who the winner is but I will give this piece of advice to anyone who is thining of seeing it. Watch the first 15 minutes because that sets up the rest of the movie. Take a nap for the next 45 because it is mostly Jason and Freddie doing the same old stuff they have done in all of their other movies so ther is nothing interesting to see, then wake up and take in the last hour because that's when Jason and Freddy actually begin to come into conflict and that's when it actually gets good.

I heard that the director was going for a comic book feel to the final showdown and if that is true, he acheived it quite well.

[EdipisReks]

Paul Anderson is gonna film AvsP? it's gonna suuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkkkkkkk.

[DrMatt]

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer


Well, given that every Friday The 13th movie SUCKED, and every NMOES after the first one SUCKED, what did you expect?

The Brady Bunch movie rocked because it made fun of all the nonsense which the original TV show took so seriously.

The father's glib nonsense was exaggerated as the nonsense it really was.
The kids' glib acceptance of the father's glib nonsense was exaggerated further.
The gratuitous voiceovers were transformed into psychotic inner voices.
Mickey Dolenz and the Partridge Family Bus put in fleeting but crucial appearances.
The myth of 1970s sexuality is spoofed too...




I'd like to see this kind of all-out spoofing be a trend rather than an occasional whimsy.

[jj]

The ending is simple. They make friends and go after Bill Clinton and Ken Starr both. :D