Have we chased all the woo-woos away?

[Zep]

I spend a lot of time on this site, wandering through the forums and threads, and over recent months I have noticed a gradual but noticeable decline in the number of woo-woos appearing here.

Most of our topics now centre on political events and subjects (especially in the USA) and world current affairs. Then there is the chasing down and reporting of the myriad of nutcase woo-woo wesbites and reports out there in the world. There's also a measure of hilarity increasing, of which I admit to fueling.

The thing is, while many of our topics do get heated, generally, the participation rate of woo-woos seems to have dropped significantly, and we are starting to argue amongst ourselves more instead.

So do you agree? Have we chased most of them away? If so, is this good? Bad? Consequences? Discuss!


PS. I don't know how to classify Interesting Ian in this! Personally I would NOT call him a woo-woo because he is, at least, capable of coherent and well-formed sentences.

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by Zep
I spend a lot of time on this site, wandering through the forums and threads, and over recent months I have noticed a gradual but noticeable decline in the number of woo-woos appearing here.

Most of our topics now centre on political events and subjects (especially in the USA) and world current affairs. Then there is the chasing down and reporting of the myriad of nutcase woo-woo wesbites and reports out there in the world. There's also a measure of hilarity increasing, of which I admit to fueling.

The thing is, while many of our topics do get heated, generally, the participation rate of woo-woos seems to have dropped significantly, and we are starting to argue amongst ourselves more instead.

So do you agree? Have we chased most of them away? If so, is this good? Bad? Consequences? Discuss!


PS. I don't know how to classify Interesting Ian in this! Personally I would NOT call him a woo-woo because he is, at least, capable of coherent and well-formed sentences.

Before I read the PS I was going to say "well I'm still here! :D" But now er . . . don't know what to say lol.

[Michael Redman]

I have certainly noticed, and lamented, this trend. Is Ian the best we can come up with? Where's a kook with a fuzzy picture of "demons" when you need one?

[Sundog]

I've got it! Let's go find some good specimens and pay them to post here. Hey, if it works for churches...

[uneasy]

If I didn't know and like JREF before I viewed this forum, I wouldn't stay here. At first glance it looks like a forum about politics (something which Randi and JREF rarely linger on). And most of the political posts are "I dare you to get angry at me" kind of things.

Edited to add: That was somewhat bitter and somewhat off topic :). What I meant was I wouldn't be surprised if many people stay away from here, which would include woowoos.

[Luciana]

I've noticed this trend too. It's my opinion that we just got better at refuting believer's claims. It takes a split second to start crying "non sequitur!", "Occamm's Razor!", "show us proof!". It's such a bombardment, that any believer who has bothered to look at past threads will get discouraged.

I miss the excellent discussions in the past. When a believer arrived, you could pretty much see a few skeptics salivating. :D

Those who frequent believer's forums could very well invite a few. Or maybe not. :)

[Crossdress]

i got dat woo woo !

[Brown]

Unfortunately, some of them disappear for a while and pop back up. Sometimes they use different names, thinking no one will notice.

[thaiboxerken]

It is probably just a cycle. Periods of heated discussion are followed by long silences. It's also summer, so many people in general are out enjoying the weather.

I only post here in spurts as well.

I have noticed that my posts make the woo-woos feel so stupid that they've pretty much ignored me. Maybe labelling their claims as claims of superpowers really shows them how silly their claim really is and they can't deal with that label.

[calladus]

Originally posted by Luciana Nery
Those who frequent believer's forums could very well invite a few. Or maybe not. :) Here's an idea - why don't we create our own, Flash mob (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030805/ap_on_hi_te/flash_mobs_2) of unbelievers, arrive in mass at some woo-woo bullitin board, leave a post or two, then disappear forever?

[Crossdress]

I said...I got dat woo woo.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by Crossdress
I said...I got dat woo woo.

Let me be the first to say, please go away.

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken

I have noticed that my posts make the woo-woos feel so stupid that they've pretty much ignored me.

Isn't it amazing how deluded one can be! ;)

[thaiboxerken]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian


Isn't it amazing how deluded one can be! ;)

I know, but threaten their delusion and they get angry. Kind of like you have before.

[woodguard]

I can not speak for my follow woo wooies. I think woo woo have a larger world view.

But most of us are interested in growing spiritual and mentally.

I find this board repeats itself, and a little boring.There is little real debating, mostly name calling and talking down to woowooes.

If your goal is to remove woo woos from the board, I guess its working. I thought the board was about being skeptical not attacking people.

I came here to learn something, but all I am learning is skeptic people are very negative.

[Sundog]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken


I know, but threaten their delusion and they get angry. Kind of like you have before.

This is the New Improved Ian with the new Steely Calm feature installed.

[dingler44]

Originally posted by Sundog


This is the New Improved Ian with the new Steely Calm feature installed.

Yeah... what's going on? I'm baffled by the change in behavior.

[dingler44]

woodguard in bold
I can not speak for my follow woo wooies. I think woo woo have a larger world view.


Typically I see it as a narrower world view... seeing as how they reject real world explanations of their mystical ideas.


But most of us are interested in growing spiritual and mentally.


What does it mean to grow spiritually?


I find this board repeats itself, and a little boring.There is little real debating, mostly name calling and talking down to woowooes.


If you haven't seen real debating, you've been sleeping... or maybe it all just went over your head. It happens to me too... like in the philosophy discussions... whew.


If your goal is to remove woo woos from the board, I guess its working. I thought the board was about being skeptical not attacking people.


I doubt anyone has been trying to remove the woo woos from the board - as debating has little point with only one side. You may see people attacked on this board but guess what - you'll see that on any forum where debates are taking place. Doesn't mean it's the best way, it just happens.


I came here to learn something, but all I am learning is skeptic people are very negative.

Negative as in they don't agree with you? I can see how you'd get that vibe.

[neofight]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken
I have noticed that my posts make the woo-woos feel so stupid that they've pretty much ignored me.



Oh, yes, ken, your brilliant posts on mediumship leave us all awe-struck.

:dl:

I don't think that's why everyone ignores you, tbk. ;) ......neo

[uneasy]

Originally posted by Brown
Unfortunately, some of them disappear for a while and pop back up. Sometimes they use different names, thinking no one will notice.
I notice woowoo balloons, some not really woowoo but just vague, being floated by people with just a few posts. They get attacked soon and don't have people who know them who might give some support. OR they are hit and run posters. Who knows?

I haven't even been here long, but I have fallen into looking at those post numbers too. If it's less than 10, I suspect their motives. I admit this isn't friendly.

[Interesting Ian]

Originally posted by thaiboxerken


I know, but threaten their delusion and they get angry. Kind of like you have before.

Your unthinking emotional hysterical rants denouncing anything which doesn't fit into current westernised thinking about the world is scarcely likely to threaten anyone's worldview. :( I grant you that, in a dispassionate person, perhaps it may instill a sense of wonder at the apparently seemingly infinite malleability of certain individuals, such as yourself, who can be so terrifyingly conditioned so as to froth at the mouth at anyway who dare question current "wisdom".
:jaw:

[woodguard]

If you scare someone away after 10 posts where do you think the trouble is?

I think everyone should look to the top of the page, look at the word between Randi and foundation.

I always thought education was informing someone, not driving the “crazies” away.

[dingler44]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian


Your unthinking emotional hysterical rants denouncing anything which doesn't fit into current westernised thinking about the world is scarcely likely to threaten anyone's worldview. :( I grant you that, in a dispassionate person, perhaps it may instill a sense of wonder at the apparently seemingly infinite malleability of certain individuals, such as yourself, who can be so terrifyingly conditioned so as to froth at the mouth at anyway who dare question current "wisdom".
:jaw:

I hope you're being intentionally ironic.

[dingler44]

Originally posted by woodguard
If you scare someone away after 10 posts where do you think the trouble is?

I think everyone should look to the top of the page, look at the word between Randi and foundation.

I always thought education was informing someone, not driving the “crazies” away.

I think you completely missed the topic of this thread. It is a question - "Have we chased all the woo-woos away?"

Nobody has stated that all woo-woos have been chased away.

I don't see why you are inferring that people on this board try to chase woo-woos away. Some are very coarse and unforgiving... but most will engage in discussion.

There are other possible reasons people leave this board(or maybe they haven't left, maybe they're just temporarily silent):

Some people don't like to argue something they can't defend. Some people don't like to stick around and argue when they can't change the opposing side's minds. Some are trolls. etc

[Zep]

This is NOT a thread aimed at bashing Interesting Ian. I'm happy to let him fight his own fights, but let's keep it on specific subjects relevant to skepticism, etc. Personal abuse is not what this thread is about, so if you want to do that, take it outside to the carpark.

What I'm more interested in is why the mix of topics has drifted towards non-skeptic subjects. Personally, I'm finding less and less interesting stuff to debate or even just to follow others in debate. However the volume of threads seems to have increased inversely to this interest, thus indicating more and more topics of less and less interest.

To be honest, I don't see the relevance of US domestic political subjects here, unless they are involved in skepticism in some way. That some local US low-level political candidate or other expresses views that are somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan or further left than Mao is rarely really interesting to the non-US contingent here. And vice versa for our local hacks for US viewers, of course.

In summary, perhaps the JREF fora have become TOO diverse, and are starting to fall between two stools - not specific enough to concentrate on skeptical topics exclusively and thus attract more protagonists for opposing views, yet not broad enough to interest everyone who participates.

Time to smarten our act up before we get so thin we disappear?

Zep

[woodguard]

Originally posted by dingler44


I think you completely missed the topic of this thread. It is a question - "Have we chased all the woo-woos away?"

Nobody has stated that all woo-woos have been chased away.

I don't see why you are inferring that people on this board try to chase woo-woos away. Some are very coarse and unforgiving... but most will engage in discussion.

There are other possible reasons people leave this board(or maybe they haven't left, maybe they're just temporarily silent):

Some people don't like to argue something they can't defend. Some people don't like to stick around and argue when they can't change the opposing side's minds. Some are trolls. etc


The fact I posted was an answer, some of us are still here.
I was just giving you just one (ex)woo woo view, why some have moved on to higher ground.
God only knows why I am still here? :con2:

PS, I was wrong, there are several good debates going on from time to time.

[thaiboxerken]

The fact I posted was an answer, some of us are still here.
I was just giving you just one (ex)woo woo view, why some have moved on to higher ground.
God only knows why I am still here? :con2:

Going away because they have no evidence or logical arguements is "moving to higher ground"? Interesting. I guess it's like the witch doctors simply smiling smug when a real doctor explains the benefits of vaccinations vs casting spells.


PS, I was wrong, there are several good debates going on from time to time.

Yea, but most of the logic is used by the skeptical side. Believers like to use fallacy and call it rational.

[thaiboxerken]

Your unthinking emotional hysterical rants denouncing anything which doesn't fit into current westernised thinking about the world is scarcely likely to threaten anyone's worldview.

Well, if needing evidence before believing that people have superpowers is "westernised" thinking, so be it. Unlike you, I don't believe fiction and myths just because so many people repeat it.

:( I grant you that, in a dispassionate person, perhaps it may instill a sense of wonder at the apparently seemingly infinite malleability of certain individuals, such as yourself, who can be so terrifyingly conditioned so as to froth at the mouth at anyway who dare question current "wisdom".
:jaw:

You can question science all you want, heck, scientists question current knowledge all of the time. But you do it in a totally irrational way, preferring beleif over evidence, faith over reason. Your method hasn't worked to benefit mankind ever. Using scientific method, however, with evidence and logic, HAS benefitted mankind since the beginning of thinking.

You claim people can have superpowers, that there are ghosts out there.. yet, you can't seem to produce any ghosts for the JREF or the scientific community to examine.

[thaiboxerken]

Oh, yes, ken, your brilliant posts on mediumship leave us all awe-struck.


I find it amusing that you laugh at me for questioning your claim that people have superpowers.


I don't think that's why everyone ignores you, tbk. ;) ......neo

I didn't claim it was awe, I opined that it's because my bluntness strikes right into the heart of your claims and shows it for the BS that it is. People don't have superpowers. Try as you might to convince people, but until you produce someone with superpowers that can be tested by the scientific community or beat the JREF test, I gather most skeptics here will remain skeptical.

Your testimonies and anecdotes mean nothing.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Zep
In summary, perhaps the JREF fora have become TOO diverse, and are starting to fall between two stools - not specific enough to concentrate on skeptical topics exclusively and thus attract more protagonists for opposing views, yet not broad enough to interest everyone who participates.

Time to smarten our act up before we get so thin we disappear?

Zep

Very salient observation. I don't quite know what the response should be however. We have a lot more members than when the board first got going. That's going to generate more threads a priori.

We have the problematic mixture of people who will argue ad nauseum about their pet subjects, people who are nauseus at subjects because they've argued them so many times in the past and newbies who keep raising tired worn out subjects, claims and claimants that are either the pet topic of the former or precisely why the later are sick of the subject.

All this a result of the volume of participants. Perhaps the forum is a victim of it's own success.

[dingler44]

If you're not enjoying the forum, you can check it less frequently. There's an easy solution.

But I do agree it couldn't hurt to cut down the number of fora a little! I think there are 20... I frequent only two of them - paranormal and current events. Occasionally I check the JREF community.

I haven't been here too long so I don't think I've witnessed the changes that Zep is talking about... but as far as my forum using experience is going, everything is moving along just fine.

[Clancie]

Posted by thaiboxerken

I have noticed that my posts make the woo-woos feel so stupid that they've pretty much ignored me.
Uh, huh. :rolleyes: Well, here's another possibility for you, tbk.


Thaiboxerken's Posts to Woo-Woos, A Summary:
tbk, point #1: Why won't mediums be tested? Because they're all fakes, that's why.

tbk, point #2: Did you read JE's disclaimer? This is just entertainment, stupid!

tbk, point #3: You claim you've got superpowers, you stupid woo-woo. Take the JREF challenge and prove it!!!

tbk, point #4: It's all b.s. [
tbk, is it possible--just possible--that people ignore you not because your insights "make us feel stupid" (rofl), but because your comments are always so incredibly simplistic and predictable?
:rolleyes:

[Yahweh]

I agree completely with Zep (someone who has never steered me in the wrong direction before... except that one time... what are you talking about Yahweh... I dont know...).

It's really hard to find a board that has consistantly new and exciting topics of debate. More and more of the bulk of posts on the board are humorous and/or absurd... I'm glad to say I contribute for quite a bit of those absurd posts.

I think one of the problems is the lack of diversity of the forum members. (Based on an assumption since the time I've been here) The majority of the members here are adults, skeptics, and intelligent (I'm at least 2 of those...).

I admit, I do enjoy the boards so much more when a troll comes along and decides to turn the place into his playground. It keeps the boards fresh and alive... and trolls are really fun to insult.

Originally posted by Zep
Most of our topics now centre on political events and subjects (especially in the USA) and world current affairs.
In actuality, I dont do much participation on the Politics and Current Events board. Half the topics have 80 gagillion replies. I'm sorry if I sound a little arrogant or vain, but I like it more when I know people have a better chance to see what I've written. Also, that board is boring, jesus christ! :D It's not too often I take the time to write long posts like this one.

Most of my posts find their way onto the community forum or the religion forum... and they dont tend to be much longer than a few sentences.

As suggested above, I think it would be nice for some of us to invite a few believers from another message board over to this one.

Originally posted by calladus
Here's an idea - why don't we create our own, Flash mob of unbelievers, arrive in mass at some woo-woo bullitin board, leave a post or two, then disappear forever?
If you tweek it a bit, its not a bad idea...

This is the only message board I participate on (can you tell by my posts per day in my profile). I wouldnt be happy if anyone decided this board has gone south and decided to nuke it.

[uneasy]

Originally posted by Zep
In summary, perhaps the JREF fora have become TOO diverse, and are starting to fall between two stools - not specific enough to concentrate on skeptical topics exclusively and thus attract more protagonists for opposing views, yet not broad enough to interest everyone who participates.

Uh, too many fora? Gee, I made that point when the whole reorg started not long ago. Now I stick to 3-4, but it's a pain because there are 20 (20!) now. Plus subfora. What a confusing mess. People could come here an never know it's about JREF. It's just a great political forum! yeeeeeeha! Woowoo? What's that? I'm just here to talk about a gubernatorial race.

[Darat]

Originally posted by Interesting Ian


Your unthinking emotional hysterical rants denouncing anything which doesn't fit into current westernised thinking about the world is scarcely likely to threaten anyone's worldview. :( I grant you that, in a dispassionate person, perhaps it may instill a sense of wonder at the apparently seemingly infinite malleability of certain individuals, such as yourself, who can be so terrifyingly conditioned so as to froth at the mouth at anyway who dare question current "wisdom".
:jaw:

Ian - you've used one of those phrases that always make me ask "what?" i.e. "westernised", what is this "westernised" thinking?

[UnrepentantSinner]

Originally posted by Darat


Ian - you've used one of those phrases that always make me ask "what?" i.e. "westernised", what is this "westernised" thinking?

It's the opposite of easternised and we all know what that means. ;) The definition of northernised and southernised is still up for debate, though it's largely a matter of slavery and states writes in the U.S.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Darat


Ian - you've used one of those phrases that always make me ask "what?" i.e. "westernised", what is this "westernised" thinking?
(I'm guessing) It refers to the different philosophies and ideals favoring materalism and materialistic tought (or favoring immaterialistic thought... I havent been to sleep in a long long time so I cant think clearly at the moment... neato, pixies are flying all over...).

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner


It's the opposite of easternised and we all know what that means. ;) The definition of northernised and southernised is still up for debate, though it's largely a matter of slavery and states writes in the U.S.
Sorry grandpa, that was 400 years ago.

Northernized:
Related to things in the north, particularly Canada. Note: Nothernized still doesnt have a proper definition... thats the best I could think of...

Southernized:
Related to a specific American dialect called a "Southern Accent". I also refers to deliberate misspelling of words and formation of sentences to mimic a Southern Accent (i.e. "Them grits is cookin' on the griddle righ' now darlin', go call them kids in the house an' tell them they gots to come on and grab sumptin to eat while its still hot. SOOEEEY").

[MRC_Hans]

Boring as always, I'd like to comment on the original subject: Obviously we tend to scare believers (and woowoos) away. Of course we would prefer to convince them to be skeptical, but that will only happen rarely, if at all. I think it could be a good idea to invite people here, although with care (last time I invited one, it was Muscleman :eek: ).

On the tone, which is so obvious even in this thread: Anybody who comes around at various boards will know that the tone here is quite civil. Only a few, heavily moderated, boards are more civil. Also, I can only think of one thing more boring than a bunch of skeptics debating with themselves: A bunch of skeptics debating with themselves.

A bad tone should not detract from a person's arguments (that would be an ad hominem), but of course it does act as communication noise, and might make people refrain from participating.

Hans

[Dragon]

Originally posted by dingler44


Yeah... what's going on? I'm baffled by the change in behavior.

I think Ian actually likes it here because he can get intelligent debate on topics that interest him and he gets more of that when he doesn't use "moron" as a synonym for "someone I disagree with".

[Colloden]

Looking for woo-woos ?
X-Project forum (http://www.xproject.net/forum/)
Not many, but a place to start

[thaiboxerken]

Thaiboxerken's Posts to Woo-Woos, A Summary:
tbk, point #1: Why won't mediums be tested? Because they're all fakes, that's why.

tbk, point #2: Did you read JE's disclaimer? This is just entertainment, stupid!

tbk, point #3: You claim you've got superpowers, you stupid woo-woo. Take the JREF challenge and prove it!!!

tbk, point #4: It's all b.s. [
tbk, is it possible--just possible--that people ignore you not because your insights "make us feel stupid" (rofl), but because your comments are always so incredibly simplistic and predictable?
:rolleyes:

Simplistic, yes. Predictable, yes. Blunt, and to the point, yes. My posts are direct and point out exactly where the fallacy of your arguements lie. People don't have superpowers. John Edward claims that all he does is entertainment in his disclaimer. Those that claim to have superpowers will not even attempt the JREF challenge to prove it.

Yes, clancie, if you don't feel stupid.. you should.

[Whomp]

From someone whom most would consider a Woo-Woo believer:
Fro the most part, every time I have participated in a "belief" thread I have ben treated with civility and respect.
People seem to be truly interested in what I have to say, and try to understand before posting their refutations. (Is that a word?)

I tend to disappear from threads (even my own) after a certain point, because conversations and debates tend to degenerate quickly into ad hom attacks between posters with historical antagonisms. Soon, the thread is so far off topic I have nothing more to add.

Sometimes it's because posters have given me so much to think about, I can't continue to debate without assimilating concepts. When I realize that my opinion/belief is truly unsupportable, I have to be honest enough with myself to re-think things.
(Translation: I lose debates alot)

It seems that many of the religion threads here focus on Christianity, which is understandable, but not being a Christian or understanding much about it precludes me from the conversations. I don't start too many R&P threads anymore becuse its soon obvious that I don't debate well.

I enjoy the other forums here, as it is often difficult to have decent debates or conversations with intelligent contributers elsewhere.
Is it scepticism ... no. I tend to think of the JREF board as a debate forum, with an emphasis on scepticism.

Not a bad thing in my opinion.

Whomp!

[Diamond]

Originally posted by Whomp

I tend to disappear from threads (even my own) after a certain point, because conversations and debates tend to degenerate quickly into ad hom attacks between posters with historical antagonisms. Soon, the thread is so far off topic I have nothing more to add.

Shut your face you ignorant moron!

[Whomp]

Ahhh.... Diamond.
Gimmee a kisss you miserable, intolerant, A-Theist bastard!

Whomp!

[Diamond]

Originally posted by Whomp
Ahhh.... Diamond.
Gimmee a kisss you miserable, intolerant, A-Theist bastard!

Whomp!

:rub:

[max]

I can re-tell all my paranormal experiences if you like:wink8:

[Whomp]

Can you tell them in a kinda spooky Orson Wells voice?
That'd make it fun!

[thaiboxerken]

I'll tell of all my paranormal experiences in this post. Here goes:




Ok, that's it. Was it informative?

[Zep]

So let me summarise. Is the reason we are seeing less "unquestioning believer" activity is that they are likely to get the bejeesus whomped out of them here? Whereas informed and articulate proponents are welcomed and encouraged?

[MRC_Hans]

I guess that more or less covers it, Zep. Except for believers like Muscleman who swoop in, take the opportunity to have a good healthy screaming at some atheists, then make believe they whopped us good, and finally vanish in a cloud of capital letters. :rolleyes:


Hans

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Zep
So let me summarise. Is the reason we are seeing less "unquestioning believer" activity is that they are likely to get the bejeesus whomped out of them here? Whereas informed and articulate proponents are welcomed and encouraged?
Well, how often is it that a good hardcore Christian googles for "skeptic message board"?

The readers digest boards had a few <s>tastey delicious believers who's souls could feed us atheists for 1000 years</s> interesting people worth inviting over.

[MRC_Hans]

Oh, www.sciforums.com has a fair number too (despite the name). Thing is, the resident skeptics in such places are often less experienced debaters, so believers who arrive here tend to get their hands full.

Hans

[Zep]

Hokay.

A-hunting we will go?

[Zep]

Where are the agurs, the Kumars of this world? Why aren't more of them coming over to play with us?

Do we need to send out formal invitations or something?

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

It is our job as skeptics to correct the thinking of quacks because they are ignorant of the right thinking process that skeptics never fail to demonstrate! Why can't you damn kooks think properly for yourselves!?

[Zep]

Your hat's too tight, towlie.

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

Originally posted by Zep
Your hat's too tight, towlie.

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Thaiboxerken's Posts to Woo-Woos, A Summary:

tbk, point #1: Why won't mediums be tested? Because they're all fakes, that's why.


tbk, point #2: Did you read JE's disclaimer? This is just entertainment, stupid!


tbk, point #3: You claim you've got superpowers, you stupid woo-woo. Take the JREF challenge and prove it!!!


tbk, point #4: It's all b.s.


You are kind of sounding like this troll but even you are too soft on the believers!

[Zep]

Nope, I'm sorry - I was wrong. Your head's too tight for your hat.

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

Originally posted by Zep
Nope, I'm sorry - I was wrong. Your head's too tight for your hat.

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Sob, makes me sad.


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[davefoc]

Interesting topic, Zeip,

I don't think there have ever been a large number class one woos woos (agur, bethke, etc.) active at the same time on this forum.

Most of the class one woo woos seemed to pretty much restrict themselves to a single obsession and as such either got bored with the forum or visa versa and as such didn't last long.

So it seems like the simple explanation here is that there never were a lot of them and they don't stick around all that long.

Currently, TEN YEARS seems to be striving to qualify for class one woo woo status but every now and then he writes an intelligible sentence which makes if difficult for him to obtain his class one ranking.

[NullPointerException]

I don't think TENYEARS is actually saying things he believes. I have known quite a few woo-woos who will come to the boards and post just to prove to other woos that people here are "close minded and bigoted". For instance after an indepth investigation of paranormal cyberculture a common theme revealed was that JREF is a fraud for refusing to review several "phony" claims submitted by woo-woos to intentionally receives rejections. Among them were stories about being able to shape change, survive without food and water, etc... Essentially the presence of JREF serves as an imaginary oppressive force to inspire woo-wooism to greater heights and reinforce the idea that skeptics avoid testing true paranormal masters because they are afraid of having their miopic world view crushed.

A good example of the new wave of cyber-delusion is the lack of a concrete methodology. In many cases woo-wooism as part of it's steps requires intentionally inducing self-delusional states that involve altered forms of conciousness usually achieved under the influence of narcotics or odd chemical imbalances... AKA "Trances".

In closing, no you havn't scared off all the woo woos, I am still here. ;)

[Yahweh]

You know, you'd think a description such as "An educational resource on the paranormal, pseudoscientific and the paranormal" would have them just heaving themselves in our general direction...

(I guess I have to rally my time prowling religious messageboards...)