Final Cut announcement?

[TraitorBasher]

Looks like the big announcement for Final Cut will be here soon.

Dylan at LC:


There will be a press release and video from the three of us, to our fans, out in a few days. We just have to sort some things out.

Please don't interrogate me, as I refuse to capitulate this time. :lol:

Trust me. It'll be all smiles.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7594

[Regnad Kcin]

"Our fans?"

[HyJinX]

He'll probably be announcing that one of the two theaters that will be showing this movie will actually be serving popcorn. :popcorn1

[TraitorBasher]

Film makers have fans, don't they?

[Redtail]

He'll probably be announcing that one of the two theaters that will be showing this movie will actually be serving popcorn. :popcorn1


Considering one of the "theaters" is the big wall in his apartment you'd think he'd spring for some wings.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

"Our fans?"
You noticed that too huh? For something that is supposed to be damning evidence of a massive conspiracy, is a press-release and a video to their "fans" the appropriate/logical/rational thing to do?

[uk_dave]

No expression of sympathy from Dylan towards those who died today?

Would it have been that hard for him to have said something to his 'fans'?

[Regnad Kcin]

Film makers have fans, don't they?"Film makers?"

[TraitorBasher]

"Film makers?"

Dylan made a film. Thus he is a film maker.

[flameowl]

wow, this announcement is mind boggling! I can't wait for the release, I think I'll hold my breath! {/sarcasm}

They've been promising earth shaking news for literally years now and haven't managed more than a "he said WHAT?" from any critical thinkers. I doubt the next big announcement will be any different from the last ones.

{sarcasm} or maybe if we're lucky they'll show more footage of their cool tvs and atv's! {/sarcasm}

[Undesired Walrus]

Dylan made a film. Thus he is a film maker.

No. Dylan used google earth, and some other persons music. Thats about it.

[MarkyX]

Dylan made a film. Thus he is a film maker.

That means I am a filmmaker, because all I did was use copyrighted footage and photos with little original content, just like Dylan Avery.

Beat that Dylan! :eek:

[TraitorBasher]

No. Dylan used google earth, and some other persons music.

...to make a film.

[qarnos]

There will be a press release and video from the three of us...

Is this going to be another vanity video of these guys playing pool or something?

[Undesired Walrus]

...to make a film.

No, of course, you are right... I dictioned what it meant and it all makes sense

film
1. a thin layer or coating: a film of grease on a plate.
2. a thin sheet of any material: a film of ice.
3. a thin skin or membrane.
4. a delicate web of filaments or fine threads.
5. a thin haze, blur, or mist.


Defines Avery perfectly. My bad!

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

This is a great example of subtle equivocation. Regnad Kcin's post was clearly question Dylan's choice of the phrase "our fans"; I presume both from a "Dylan has fans?" point and also from the angle I presented. TraitorBasher proceeds to turn the discussion into a debate of semantics of whether or not someone who puts together a video of simple graphics and sampled material is a "film maker" or not.

Whether he is viewed by anyone as a "film maker" or not is utterly irrelevant to the point being made; that his use of "our fans" is incredibly telling of his mindset.

[Brainache]

...Please don't interrogate me, as I refuse to capitulate this time. :lol:

Is he having "content control" problems?

[FactCheck]

Exclusive video! "The Making of Loose Change Final Cut"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE3UIYnF9w0

I never knew just how smart these people really are...

[HeyLeroy]

Dylan made a film. Thus he is a film maker.

[old joke] Bartender says to sad-looking guy: "Whatsamatter?"

SLG: "I tell ya, when I fixed one drippy faucet, did everyone start callin' me a plumber? No.

"When I fixed a flat on my buddy's car, did everyone start callin' me a mechanic? No!

But suck one d**k..." [/old joke]

[Brainster]

I'm going out on a limb here and saying that this is not the deal for FC, this is the deal for the distribution of the 2nd Edition re-re-cut, with Charlie Sheen doing the voice.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Film makers have fans, don't they?
Maybe, but I can't imagine that someone who takes uncovering the "truth" behind 9/11 seriously would address a possible announcement about the upcoming release of his latest "research" to his... "fans".

Which says to me that his popularity as a film maker is more important to him than the "truth".

[beachnut]

...to make a film.
Actually a collection of misleading information and lies about 9/11. Easily exposed as fraud. Who would fall for such shallow research and lies?

or...

[The Demon's Head]

"Our fans?"

I thought that was quite odd.

If one is making it their mission to get the truth out, wouldn't they be more focused on giving the evidence to the proper authorities?

I guess trying to stay true to a supposed fan base is far more important than anything else when it comes to the truth that they preach.

[Alt+F4]

I'm going out on a limb here and saying that this is not the deal for FC, this is the deal for the distribution of the 2nd Edition re-re-cut, with Charlie Sheen doing the voice.

But why would Cuban want to distribute a new version of the 2nd edition when everyone who's intrested has already seen it for free? How can he make a profit with only a few minor changes and a Charlie Sheen voice-over?

[Regnad Kcin]

Dylan made a film. Thus he is a film maker.Just because you can toot after a plateful of beans doesn't mean you're Le Pétomane.

[The Silver Shadow]

"Our fans?"
The 9/11 truth movement is just that: a fanclub.

[mortimer]

The 9/11 truth movement is just that: a fanclub.

Actually, I think they might be more fanboy than fanclub. WARNING: Gratuitous controlled demolition in the attached video.

GrxyGAo7e68

[TraitorBasher]

Just because you can toot after a plateful of beans doesn't mean you're Le Pétomane.

No, but you might still have fans.

[Gravy]

Dylan made a film. Thus he is a film maker.Dylan made a video two videos in which he got everything wrong. Thus he is a liar, an idiot, or both.

[PhantomWolf]

Dylan made a video two videos in which he got everything wrong. Thus he is a liar, an idiot, or both.

He didn't actually even make it, he cobbled it together from footage and photos that other people made, sort of like a Frankenstein's Monster.

[T.A.M.]

look if William Hung, and Sanjia can become famous from American Idol, than why not Dylan Avery...let him have his 15 microseconds.

TAM:)

[Mince]

Dylan, Dylan, Dylan. Why do that to your minions? Remember what happened laaaaaaaast time you said you had a big, juicy announcement. That's right, you got the kids so excited, they openly, and proudly, talked of masturbation. And you gave them...floorplans!


by Dylan Avery

There will be a press release and video from the three of us, to our fans



by A very astute Loose Change Forum user

We're your fans now eh?


Heh.

[qarnos]

We're your fans now eh?

There have been a couple of mumblings along those lines on LCF. Good to see.

[The Silver Shadow]

We're your fans now eh?
highwayman is, apparently...

Is the person who said that now "gone"?

[David Wong]

That's such a stark insight into Dylan's mindset.

"Our fans."

Like rock stars. It's all about you, Dylan. Your name in lights.

At any cost.

[Mince]

highwayman is, apparently...

Is the person who said that now "gone"?

Not yet. No one has even acknowledged the post.

[hellaeon]

Dylan, Dylan, Dylan. Why do that to your minions? Remember what happened laaaaaaaast time you said you had a big, juicy announcement. That's right, you got the kids so excited, they openly, and proudly, talked of masturbation. And you gave them...floorplans!


That is the very first thing that came to mind, personally I cant imagine this being anything significant.

He should just enter his movies into those film festivals and comps for amateurs. After all, he writes fiction.

[The Silver Shadow]

I remember a film student came on the boards who recently did a film review of LC and Dylan just kind of told her off, saying something along the lines that critics can go and stuff themselves, although his wording was very different. Anyone remember that or if it's even on LCF anymore?

[The Doc]

Dylan has a history of hyping things up.

We'll get a video of him and Bermas sitting at a computer "final cutting", with no distinguishable video/audio of the actual movie.

The press release might contain a release date or something.

It certainly won't be anything valuable to anyone except those who are giving the 3 stooges their money for "truth".

I can't see why anyone would have faith in what Dylan says. First we were supposed to have a ground breaking undebunkable second edition, then all our Christmases at once. Neither came.

[CHF]

After that last "Oh my God!" announcement about the floor plans I wonder how much longer Dylan will keep this up. Anything to keep his flock from drifting away.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

After that last "Oh my God!" announcement about the floor plans[...]
I wonder if any of the truthers over there even remember that?

[The Silver Shadow]

Do they remember "Mike" the EMT from New Jersey?

[qarnos]

good news, but everybody should stop being so anxious for Final Cut, the longer it takes the better it will be.

Like a good wine, the "truth" ages with time... apparently.

[Gravy]

TraitorBasher, thanks for starting a thread to announce that an announcement about an upcoming video will be made. No one appreciates announcements about announcements more than we do.

[LashL]

Well, that's true, but we like announcements announcing announcements about announcements even more. Thus, TB's announcement about an announcement was only about a 5 on the announcement-giddy scale.

[Orphia Nay]

Do they remember "Mike" the EMT from New Jersey?


That was one of those daunting threads that got too big too quickly for me.

Wasn't he a fake whistleblower like Lauro Chavez in all probability is/was?

[Gravy]

That was one of those daunting threads that got too big too quickly for me.

Wasn't he a fake whistleblower like Lauro Chavez in all probability is/was?Lauro Chavez is a real person. It seems likely that "Mike" is fictional.

[Orphia Nay]

Lauro Chavez is a real person. It seems likely that "Mike" is fictional.

Thanks, Binglybert.

I did a search but couldn't find the thread. Anyone remember who started it?

[Bobert]

I am confused.

[Whiplash]

Thanks, Binglybert.

I did a search but couldn't find the thread. Anyone remember who started it?


I searched and don't remember for sure where it started, but I think it was with these two threads, which came down right as the "NJ EMT" email was being set forth by the truthers:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=74291

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=74267

There were other discussions about the NJ EMT out there though. Not sure what you wanted.

[~enigma~]

I am confused.Qf6 check :)

[SezMe]

I'm more cautious here. There seems to be an implicit assumption that there is an intersection between Hollywood and "The Truth". Hollywood will exploit anything to make a buck, the "Truth" can take the hindmost. I can imagine LC:FC being released and Rosie, et. al., being used to exploit ignorance.

It MIGHT well be that there is a buck to be made from LC:FC. If so, it'll appear.

[Scientologist]

Probably announcing that washed up guy, Charlie Sheen, as the narrator...

[Bobert]

Qf6 check :)
That of course is a reference to Vladimir Kramnik vs Gregory Kaidanov (1993 (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1085825).

















alright alright I had to google that!

[Mobyseven]

Well, that's true, but we like announcements announcing announcements about announcements even more. Thus, TB's announcement about an announcement was only about a 5 on the announcement-giddy scale.

I'm dizzy.


Bets on what Dylan will say in his press release are now open!


(btw - The film student who posted a link to her critique of LC on the LC Forums got swiftly banned and abused. I believe that is where we got the immortal quote about Dylan having done more than any two-bit film student ever will. Or similar. I'll try to track it down. Maybe. If I remember. After dinner.)

[Orphia Nay]

Thanks very much for the links, Whiplash.

[Undesired Walrus]

I remember a film student came on the boards who recently did a film review of LC and Dylan just kind of told her off, saying something along the lines that critics can go and stuff themselves, although his wording was very different. Anyone remember that or if it's even on LCF anymore?

That was quite hilarious, I think it went along the lines of
Mis-en-scene? Times like this i'm glad I didnt go to film school!

[8den]

That was quite hilarious, I think it went along the lines of

Sweet merciful jesus, Dylan is topping my list of "film makers" that I've endured (I've even worked with some) that have brought me to the brink of quiting my job, and walking the earth like Cane from Kung Fu, taking back every minidv camera and cracked copy of Premier Pro/Avid/FCP from these hacks, slap them upside the head and tell them;

"You'll get this back when you figure out how to use it"

[gumboot]

Sweet merciful jesus, Dylan is topping my list of "film makers" that I've endured (I've even worked with some) that have brought me to the brink of quiting my job, and walking the earth like Cane from Kung Fu, taking back every minidv camera and cracked copy of Premier Pro/Avid/FCP from these hacks, slap them upside the head and tell them;

"You'll get this back when you figure out how to use it"


Can I be your trusty sidekick?

-Gumboot

[HawksFan]

Perhaps they're going to announce that William Hung has signed on to do the soundtrack?

"It bangs, it bangs! Oh baby, it explodes! Explodes!" :)

[chipmunk stew]

Perhaps they're going to announce that William Hung has signed on to do the soundtrack?

"It bangs, it bangs! Oh baby, it explodes! Explodes!" :)
Heh. :bananapowerslide:

Welcome, HawksFan :w2:

[HawksFan]

Thanks, Chipmunk :th:

[Vincent Vega]

The 9/11 truth movement is just that: a fanclub.

In France it would be known as "le Jerk d'cirque".

[Loss Leader]

Film makers have fans, don't they?


Yes, but film splicers don't.

[VespaGuy]

Looks like the big announcement for Final Cut will be here soon.

Dylan at LC:




http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7594

So Dylan made an announcement about his upcoming announcement? That's old news. I heard about this last week when he made an announcement about this announcement about the upcoming announcement. Try to keep up, TB.

ETA: I just noticed that this joke's already been done. Guess that's what I get for coming to the party late and not reading the full thread first...

[The Silver Shadow]

Has Dylan made the announcement yet? I'm waiting patiently...

[uk_dave]

Has Dylan made the announcement yet? I'm waiting patiently...

He will after his plane lands and he's set up on that beach in Barbados.

My money is on it being short and sweet, possibly along the lines of.............

"Suckers!"

[The Silver Shadow]

When will Dylan learn that the safest place in the world to keep money is in a Nigerian bank? Seriously, no corrupt accountant will realize that the money is there and e-mail a random person in the west to take it

:rolleyes:

[peteweaver]

Film makers have fans, don't they?

Film makers yes. Propaganda merchants however are not quite the same.

[The Silver Shadow]

Kim Jong Il has one of the biggest fanclubs in the world, with the way peteweaver puts it
:)

[jhunter1163]

In France it would be known as "le Jerk d'cirque".

Coming soon.. the world tour of Cirque du Jerkez.

[uk_dave]

Dylan avery to a fan:
(thehighwaymanq @ Apr 18 2007, 02:53 PM)
yo dylan, press release/video today?

Not yet, buddy. Soon. We have to make sure we can say what we have to say.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7725&st=0&#last

Gosh! He called me 'buddy'! :faint:

[HyJinX]

The latest:

yo dylan, press release/video today?

Not yet, buddy. Soon. We have to make sure we can say what we have to say.

Really, how hard is it to say "we're frauds and liars"?

[VespaGuy]

yo dylan, press release/video today?

Not yet, buddy. Soon. We have to make sure we can say what we have to say.

Is it possible that Dylan learned his lesson from his "OMG! Black Boxes found at the Smithsonian!!!!11" embarassing announcement last year? Is Dylan actually verifying things before shooting his mouth off?

Nahhh...

[uk_dave]

Is it possible that Dylan learned his lesson from his "OMG! Black Boxes found at the Smithsonian!!!!11" embarassing announcement last year? Is Dylan actually verifying things before shooting his mouth off?

Nahhh...


I refer the honourable gentleman to the recent "We have the wtc blueprints (but can't understand them) nine!!!!1111eleventy!1!!11" debacle.

[Undesired Walrus]

Is it possible that Dylan learned his lesson from his "OMG! Black Boxes found at the Smithsonian!!!!11" embarassing announcement last year? Is Dylan actually verifying things before shooting his mouth off?

Nahhh...


What was this? Link?:)

[Undesired Walrus]

Originally Posted by dylan avery
We have to make sure we can say what we have to say.

"Sorry guys. I found out I wasted 4 years of my life on this garbage, insulting everyone from an dead 11 year old boy to a widow at ground zero. Ever heard of take the money and run?"

[beachnut]

The IRS came and took all their stuff as payment for past taxes. Just wondering if they filed.

Headline news would read "Tin Foil Hat Millionaires try to run with money"

Who works at the IRS?

[The Silver Shadow]

Really, how hard is it to say "we're frauds and liars"?
And break highwayman's heart? It must be terribly easy, considering how much time he has invested in Dylan and the gang.

I really do feel sorry for highwayman, he reminds me of me when I was in the 8th grade, when I believed in conspiracies, and I am not ashamed to admit that I once believed in conspiracies.

[Loss Leader]

I really do feel sorry for highwayman, he reminds me of me when I was in the 8th grade, when I believed in conspiracies, and I am not ashamed to admit that I once believed in conspiracies.


Neither am I. 8th grade is just about the perfect age for conspiracies. They're interesting and exciting and they make you feel like you have power over an otherwise very unpredictable and injust world. It's exactly what a 14 year old boy needs.

[VespaGuy]

What was this? Link?:)

I wish I had one for you, UW. This happened last year at the old LC forums, before the admins began banning all skeptics.

In a nutshell, Dylan started a thread called "Black Boxes Found!!!", and went on to say how he had found pictures of the black boxes at the Smithsonian exhibit. The "truthers" ate it up; it was only the skeptics who asked questions.

After Dylan attempted to defend his find for a few pages in the thread, one of the skeptics (a JREFer I think) just did what Dylan and his cohorts should have done in the first place - ask someone from the Smithsonian. Sure enough, the Smithsonian said that the photos in the exhibit were merely their to show what they black boxes would look like. They weren't the real black boxes from the 9/11 flights.

It just shows how horrible Dylan is as a researcher, how he avoids asking any questions that may spoil his pipe-dream, and how quick he is to announce his 'findings' as truth without any research whatsoever.

In a bit of historical revisionism, Dylan then went back and changed the title of the thread to "Black boxes NOT found", which made the whole ordeal even sillier to anyone who stumbled upon the thread for the first time.

I, and others, have brought up this shining example of Dylan's scooby-doo investigating plenty of times since then. I've looked several times for the original thread, but I doubt that it's still around anymore. I'm sure there are still plenty of folks here who remember it.

[Undesired Walrus]

haha. What avery bad mistake.

[The Silver Shadow]

I wish I had one for you, UW. This happened last year at the old LC forums, before the admins began banning all skeptics.

In a nutshell, Dylan started a thread called "Black Boxes Found!!!", and went on to say how he had found pictures of the black boxes at the Smithsonian exhibit. The "truthers" ate it up; it was only the skeptics who asked questions.

After Dylan attempted to defend his find for a few pages in the thread, one of the skeptics (a JREFer I think) just did what Dylan and his cohorts should have done in the first place - ask someone from the Smithsonian. Sure enough, the Smithsonian said that the photos in the exhibit were merely their to show what they black boxes would look like. They weren't the real black boxes from the 9/11 flights.

It just shows how horrible Dylan is as a researcher, how he avoids asking any questions that may spoil his pipe-dream, and how quick he is to announce his 'findings' as truth without any research whatsoever.

In a bit of historical revisionism, Dylan then went back and changed the title of the thread to "Black boxes NOT found", which made the whole ordeal even sillier to anyone who stumbled upon the thread for the first time.

I, and others, have brought up this shining example of Dylan's scooby-doo investigating plenty of times since then. I've looked several times for the original thread, but I doubt that it's still around anymore. I'm sure there are still plenty of folks here who remember it.
I have somewhat of a recollection of that. I never understood it, and didn't bother...

[qarnos]

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7725&st=0&#last

Gosh! He called me 'buddy'! :faint:

Hmmm... It seems to me he's about to pull a "sorry, guys, but the NWO thwarted our plans... no press release."

We should start keeping a scoreboard of Dylans false promises to his "fans".

[Vincent Vega]

haha. What avery bad mistake.

Are you saying he pulled an "avery"? :D

[CHF]

In a nutshell, Dylan started a thread called "Black Boxes Found!!!", and went on to say how he had found pictures of the black boxes at the Smithsonian exhibit. The "truthers" ate it up; it was only the skeptics who asked questions.

After Dylan attempted to defend his find for a few pages in the thread, one of the skeptics (a JREFer I think) just did what Dylan and his cohorts should have done in the first place - ask someone from the Smithsonian. Sure enough, the Smithsonian said that the photos in the exhibit were merely their to show what they black boxes would look like. They weren't the real black boxes from the 9/11 flights......

In a bit of historical revisionism, Dylan then went back and changed the title of the thread to "Black boxes NOT found", which made the whole ordeal even sillier to anyone who stumbled upon the thread for the first time.

Oh my God. :eek:

[The Silver Shadow]

Are you saying he pulled an "avery"? :D
You said "pull". Therefore, that means that "pulling" Avery must therefore mean that Avery will be taken down in a controlled demolition

:D

[Cl1mh4224rd]

It just shows how horrible Dylan is as a researcher, how he avoids asking any questions that may spoil his pipe-dream, and how quick he is to announce his 'findings' as truth without any research whatsoever.
I guess that's too be expected, really. He wants to be a film-maker, not an investigative journalist. Of course, that's no excuse...

[Mince]

So what's the status of the announcement? Has it been revealed? What is it? Wiring diagrams?

[Regnad Kcin]

Just because you can toot after a plateful of beans doesn't mean you're Le Pétomane.No, but you might still have fans.In the many months since the first "Loose Change", Dylan & Co. have refused to acknowledge the near countless errors in their work. This, despite every effort, both in print and in person, to enlighten them.

Since they are not stupid people one might surmise that they are promoting an agenda, one constructed on lies, never mind it simultaneously seeks to divert attention from those responsible for 9/11. I don't know about you, but I believe that counts as despicable behavior.

Are you comfortable with despicable people giving shout-outs to "fans"?

[TraitorBasher]

In the many months since the first "Loose Change", Dylan & Co. have refused to acknowledge the near countless errors in their work. This, despite every effort, both in print and in person, to enlighten them.

Since they are not stupid people one might surmise that they are promoting an agenda, one constructed on lies, never mind it simultaneously seeks to divert attention from those responsible for 9/11. I don't know about you, but I believe that counts as despicable behavior.

Are you comfortable with despicable people giving shout-outs to "fans"?

I disagree with despicable. They have acknowledged errors. Just look at the Hardfire debate. They even amended errors in the recut.

Your opinion is your opinion. You have every right to have it, and I have every right to disagree.

[beachnut]

I disagree with despicable. They have acknowledged errors. Just look at the Hardfire debate. They even amended errors in the recut.

Your opinion is your opinion. You have every right to have it, and I have every right to disagree.
No the whole film is in error. Error. You need to stop visiting the neoNAZI sites who have no idea what 9/11 was or is.

[The Doc]

To my understanding, LC hasn't admitted to any specific errors. None of the major errors in LC mentioned over at SLC blog and Gravy's guide have been acknowledged and corrected.

[defaultdotxbe]

To my understanding, LC hasn't admitted to any specific errors. None of the major errors in LC mentioned over at SLC blog and Gravy's guide have been acknowledged and corrected.
they admitted (and eventually corrected) the b-52 thing, and in the redub for the recut they pronounced robert macnamaras name right (although i dont think they ever explicitly admitted that error)

but neither of these were major errors, most likely just typos in the voiceover script (b-25 transposed to the better known b-52 and macnamara misspelled mcnamara)

AFAIK these are only errors they have bothered to correct

[Regnad Kcin]

I disagree with despicable. They have acknowledged errors. Just look at the Hardfire debate. They even amended errors in the recut.They have not acknowledged all of their errors. Which are nearly beyond count. This is willful ignorance. And, considering the subject matter, despicable.

Your opinion is your opinion. You have every right to have it, and I have every right to disagree.Bully for you. Never mind you skirted around my point.

[JamesB]

To my understanding, LC hasn't admitted to any specific errors. None of the major errors in LC mentioned over at SLC blog and Gravy's guide have been acknowledged and corrected.

Yeah, this is something I noticed when I was exchanging words with Dylan last week on their forum. He kept on saying how they admit to errors. Yeah, they admit to errors, but they never say what they are.

Kind of defeats the purpose.

[TraitorBasher]

They have not acknowledged all of their errors. Which are nearly beyond count. This is willful ignorance. And, considering the subject matter, despicable.

Bully for you. Never mind you skirted around my point.

How do you know they arent acknowledging them? They are producing the final cut. Should you not wait to review the contents of that before you say they havent corrected errors?

[defaultdotxbe]

How do you know they arent acknowledging them? They are producing the final cut. Should you not wait to review the contents of that before you say they havent corrected errors?
have they produced a list of known errors they will be fixing?

no? then they havent acknowledged them publicly

and correcting is not always the same as acknowledging, esepcially not with the orwellian means by which things are "corrected" in truth movement (fix it, forget it, hope everyone else forgets it too)

perfect example of this is the pod theory, which they claimed was the strongest evidence in the first edition

2nd edition comes out, no pods, dylan makes a point of saying its not a win for debunkers, but was merely cut for time (which demotes to weakest evidence now)

later, he stated it was the pet theory of jaye whats-his-name who worked with them on the first edition, and he pushed to have it included (IE "i didnt do it")

now he just ignores it entirely, like it never happened, its pretty much relegated to half a step up from the full no-planers

[JamesB]

How do you know they arent acknowledging them? They are producing the final cut. Should you not wait to review the contents of that before you say they havent corrected errors?

Just because they address different subjects does not mean they acknowledge errors in previous versions. They can always claim they omitted subjects for different reasons. They have had 3 versions, with numerous different claims, and other than the B-52 error, the only thing I can remember them acknowledging, and even vaguely so, was the fact that the cell-phone argument was weak.

BTW, if you want to get Dylan really riled up, mention that this is the 4th version of Loose Change. He seems really sensitive to that fact.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

How do you know they arent acknowledging them?
No one's saying they won't acknowledge them; everyone's saying they haven't acknowledged them.

They are producing the final cut. Should you not wait to review the contents of that before you say they havent corrected errors?
Given LTW's track record, expect errors to be swept under the rug rather than acknowledged. When asked by fellow truthers why such-and-such piece of "evidence" wasn't included, expect Dylan to merely say they decided to focus on the "undebunkable" "evidence". Actually, I think he may have already done this...

[John Blonn]

I went on LCF and asked the following question in the skeptics sub-forum:

Many truthers (including Dylan) have went on the record and claimed that there are indeed errors in Loose Change 2E. My question to the truthers: What were the errors in the film? And why were these things wrong?

I was banned.

[Undesired Walrus]

Are you saying he pulled an "avery"? :D

There had been such a terrible gain in ignorance, we decided the safest thing to do was pull it (Final Cut).

[qarnos]

I went on LCF and asked the following question in the skeptics sub-forum:



I was banned.

You can be skeptical, just as long as you don't JAQ off.

[chipmunk stew]

Just because they address different subjects does not mean they acknowledge errors in previous versions. They can always claim they omitted subjects for different reasons. They have had 3 versions, with numerous different claims, and other than the B-52 error, the only thing I can remember them acknowledging, and even vaguely so, was the fact that the cell-phone argument was weak.
I think they acknowledge "the blue tarp thing".

[CurtC]

Yes, I've heard Dylan acknowledge the blue tarp thing.

What about the whole pod-theory business featured in the original LC but conveniently left out of LC2E? Is ceasing to mention something equivalent to admitting the error?

Also, I've heard they are dropping Karl Schwarz from the final cut. Karl was the guy who proposed that the engine part found at the Pentagon was from an A-3.

[qarnos]

I think they acknowledge "the blue tarp thing".

Serious question... did they actually ackowledge it, or did they just stop talking about it?

[CurtC]

qarnos, I actually heard Dylan on a talk show acknowledge that the blue tarp was just a tent. He mentioned that and the B-52 error as the two things in the LC2E video that were not right. But that's all.

[The Silver Shadow]

Yeah, just the blue tarp and B-52...

[defaultdotxbe]

dylan did ackowledge the pods in an obtuse way, he said it was an error, but blamed it on someone else, take that however you want

[qarnos]

Thanks for the responses, guys.

[LashL]

Hmph. Since it appears that the only announcement thusfar is the announcement of an anticipated announcement, which has not yet been announced, I wonder how long it will be before Avery makes an announcement about the non-announcement of the heralded announcement.

[jsfisher]

Wouldn't he more likely just go to the pre-announcement of the announcement announcing the announcement and just forgo the whole non-announcement announcement all together?

Maybe he will announce his intentions in this regard.

[NickUK]

Hmph. Since it appears that the only announcement thusfar is the announcement of an anticipated announcement, which has not yet been announced, I wonder how long it will be before Avery makes an announcement about the non-announcement of the heralded announcement.

Do I detect an ounce of anticipation there?

[Regnad Kcin]

Thanks for the responses, guys.Well, we are your fans!

[LashL]

Do I detect an ounce of anticipation there?

Perhaps. As in, anticipation of Avery making an even bigger fool of himself than he has in the past :D

[Undesired Walrus]

Oh Avery... I think I might feel a bit sorry for him.

[Undesired Walrus]

No wait, I was just a bit hungry.

[defaultdotxbe]

Ooh, I feel all funny. *gasp* I'm in love! No, wait. It's a stroke.

-Grandpa Simpson

[Vincent Vega]

Know what I'd love to see? A big budget made-for-TV 'docu-drama' consisting of the conspiracy theories as to how it was "actually" pulled off. Of course it would never be made as the truth movement would come apart over which pet theory should be included.

Can you imagine the painful machinations that would have to go into the scrip to make the whole thing the least bit "plausible". :rolleyes:

[chipmunk stew]

Wouldn't he more likely just go to the pre-announcement of the announcement announcing the announcement and just forgo the whole non-announcement announcement all together?

Maybe he will announce his intentions in this regard.
I think he's more likely to go to retroactively preempt the original announcement of his announcement.*


*(he'll delete the thread and pretend it never happened)

[The Silver Shadow]

Wouldn't he more likely just go to the pre-announcement of the announcement announcing the announcement and just forgo the whole non-announcement announcement all together?

Maybe he will announce his intentions in this regard.
"there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know." - Donald Rumsfeld.

:D

[jhunter1163]

Posted by Dylan Avery:

Mammals for 9/11 Truth.

Release coming soon. Still waiting on the "OK"...

Does this sound like someone who has any degree of control at all over the content of his little flick? Waiting for an OK? From who? Cuban?

ETA: Linky in the OP

[Calcas]

"there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know." - Donald Rumsfeld.

:D

I love that quote.

It makes sense to me...am I the only one? :confused:

[gmanontario]

I love that quote.

It makes sense to me...am I the only one? :confused:
I think you'll love this one then by our former (un)esteemed Prime Minister.

Get Ready...

A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.
Jean Chretien

[Comsat Angel]

Well it's been 4 days now - what is Dylan's definition of "a few"?
Oh wait here's a Twoofer dictionary: "A Few: One hundred and eleven raised by ten to the eleventh power"

[HyJinX]

I think you'll love this one then by our former (un)esteemed Prime Minister.

Get Ready...

A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.
Jean Chretien

Have you proven that statement? In short, do you have proof that proof is proof? Enquiring minds want to know.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Well it's been 4 days now - what is Dylan's definition of "a few"?
Oh wait here's a Twoofer dictionary: "A Few: One hundred and eleven raised by ten to the eleventh power"
Multiple hundreds? Reference: Their numerous statements about how many people need to be involved in the 9/11 conspiracy.

[LashL]

Oops, it looks like "TraitorBasher, previously known as, um, whatever he was previously known as (i.e. whatever fake persona he was using most recently) won't be answering posts in this thread of his any time soon.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=80073

Sockpuppet of tonicblue et al. No surprise.

[Undesired Walrus]

Oops, it looks like "TraitorBasher, previously known as, um, whatever he was previously known as (i.e. whatever fake persona he was using most recently) won't be answering posts in this thread of his any time soon.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=80073

Sockpuppet of tonicblue et al. No surprise.

He is already over there, wailing and knashing his nails http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7873

what is JREF?


A big group of crack smoking, Bush-humping, Cheney back-licking, NeoCon-Loving, fudge-packing douchbags. Oh yeah, and if you have kids, watch out...I heard they like to call the cops on truthers. Never underestimate the power of 'tards with no life.

Mike

That's funny, as I do not ever remember performing homosexual intercourse with President George Bush, nor even liking the man very much, or any of his policies, at all. Ditto Cheney and his back.

*Shouts to those lurking*
Hey Truthers, when someone disagree's with you, they aren't immediatly a "neo-con". I think it is telling about the age of your little minds!

[Blackwell]

That's funny, as I do not ever remember performing homosexual intercourse with President George Bush, nor even liking the man very much, or any of his policies, at all. Ditto Cheney and his back.


Of course you don't remember -- you were smoking crack that day.

Duh.

[gmanontario]

Have you proven that statement? In short, do you have proof that proof is proof? Enquiring minds want to know.
The only kind of proof I have is 80.:)

[LashL]

He is already over there, wailing and knashing his nails http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7873



That's funny, as I do not ever remember performing homosexual intercourse with President George Bush, nor even liking the man very much, or any of his policies, at all. Ditto Cheney and his back.

*Shouts to those lurking*
Hey Truthers, when someone disagree's with you, they aren't immediatly a "neo-con". I think it is telling about the age of your little minds!

Too funny!

Let's see. I've never smoked crack, never had sex with George Bush, never licked Cheney's back (and can't even begin to fathom how "TraitorBasher" - previously known as "ERichardson," and previous to that having at least a couple of other identities including "Jaguar" and "tonicblue" - imagines that "back licking" is a bad thing); I've never been a neo-con; and Ed only knows what TB/ER/J/tb means by "fudge packing douchbags." In regard to the latter, I can only guess that this is a combination of TB/ER/J/tb's homophobia and poor spelling skills.

And to round out my response to this guy's post at the Loose Change Forum to which you linked, I should add that I've never been a "'tard" (it appears that TraitorBasher/ERichardson/Jaguar/tonicblue has issues with people with disabilities just as he has issues with homosexuality) and I should also add that, unlike many/most troofers, I have a real life (again, something that TraitorBasher/ERichardson/Jaguar/tonicblue appears not to have, given his propensity for posting absolute drivel on multiple forums under multiple personas).

Additionally, this is rather humorous, too: someone on the Loose Change forum suggests that TB/ER/J/tb was banned because of his user name:

only a guess but maybe the name you chose had somethig to do with the problem

I wonder how long it will take before TB/ER/J/tb explains that his user name had nothing to do with it and that he had previously specifically asked to have his ERichardson name changed to TraitorBasher (in a failed effort to try to make an unfounded and ridiculous point, which was - not surprisingly - never made), and that the moderators accommodated his request.

[pchams]

I think you'll love this one then by our former (un)esteemed Prime Minister.

Get Ready...

A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.
Jean Chretien
In its tortured way, this is the best choice M. Chretien ever made in his Prime Ministership, a choice to stay out of Iraq without proof of WMD.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

So... tonicblue hates gays and the mentally handicapped. Classy fellow...

[chipmunk stew]

So... tonicblue hates gays and the mentally handicapped. Classy fellow...
And Jews (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2532940#post2532940). Don't forget the Jews...

[StoneWT]

I'm guessing that he:

1. Doesn't have a girlfriend. This explains his fascination with homosexuality.

2. Isn't all that bright. This would explain his disdain for retarded folk.

3. Has a dull life and hates the stereotype of Jewish success.

Give this man a radio show!

[The Doc]

Personally I would go the one step further and say TB/ER/TonicBlue/Jaguar/Aphelion/Wizard/Docker/Maize/pdohrety76 :p

I sent a PM to the mods highlighting several similarities between those listed above. I wonder if that had anything to do with it...

[CptColumbo]

Personally I would go the one step further and say TB/ER/TonicBlue/Jaguar/Aphelion/Wizard/Docker/Maize/pdohrety76 :p

I sent a PM to the mods highlighting several similarities between those listed above. I wonder if that had anything to do with it...

I thought Tonicblue/Jaguar/ERichardson/TraitorBasher were seperate from Pdohrety76/et al.

ETA or are you suspecting they are?

[The Doc]

I thought Tonicblue/Jaguar/ERichardson/TraitorBasher were seperate from Pdohrety76/et al.

ETA or are you suspecting they are?

I suspect they are ;)

[~enigma~]

Personally I would go the one step further and say TB/ER/TonicBlue/Jaguar/Aphelion/Wizard/Docker/Maize/pdohrety76 :p

I sent a PM to the mods highlighting several similarities between those listed above. I wonder if that had anything to do with it...
Also this thread (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=79774) and his "mod bashing" apparently had a lot to do with his late banning. As well as his admitted reporting post abuses and his apparent immaturity which he exhibited by announcing that he was putting many posters on ignore. And he screams about censorship...as Killtown was so fond of saying...pot meet kettle :)

[Undesired Walrus]

and I should also add that, unlike many/most troofers, I have a real life (again, something that TraitorBasher/ERichardson/Jaguar/tonicblue appears not to have, given his propensity for posting absolute drivel on multiple forums under multiple personas).


I am always fascinated by the "You have no life" brigade on Internet forums. It is somewhat perplexing how posting on an internet forum and annoying other people from other forums qualifies you as a "'tard with no life". I post on an internet forum, but also, like most here I presume, sleep with my girlfriend in a bed, and have a full and productive university course which I pay for myself.

Somewhat I guess this is a fate most truthers, and "little guy" D'Oh have yet to face...

[uk_dave]

sleep with my girlfriend in a bed

meh! That is soooooooo '97.

[thisninjascrazy]

I am always fascinated by the "You have no life" brigade on Internet forums. It is somewhat perplexing how posting on an internet forum and annoying other people from other forums qualifies you as a "'tard with no life". I post on an internet forum, but also, like most here I presume, sleep with my girlfriend in a bed, and have a full and productive university course which I pay for myself.

Speak for yourself! I have a menial job, poor social skills and a pile of straw on which I sleep on alone. Don't even get me started on birthdays and Christmas. If I wasn't a boy, I would have had nothing to play with as a kid.

[Undesired Walrus]

Speak for yourself! I have a menial job, poor social skills and a pile of straw on which I sleep on alone. Don't even get me started on birthdays and Christmas. If I wasn't a boy, I would have had nothing to play with as a kid.

Well, to make you feel better, I suffer from Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, live in a messy area of London, and am on Sertraline tablets for a while now.
That said, I think we can both agree we both have far preferable lives to those who wait for the US government to bow to their knees and admit complicity in terrorist attacks around the world, only to be foiled by a guy twice refused from film school and who laughs at people killed by boxcutters.

[Comsat Angel]

I regularly make fudge, and consequently pack it into airtight tubs.
Does this make me a bad person?
I seem to remember Traitorbasher/ERichardson's very first post was a lie: it began IIRC "I'm new to this forum -'

[Undesired Walrus]

It is easy to find P'Doh. He usually starts a thread saying he doesn't believe in any conspiracy theories, or if he does, just Atta-Payments etc. Then he waits for an opening, like the WTC7 BBC shots, and says "I didnt think anything was odd about WTC7 but now I do". Clearly though, he always did.

[roger]

This thread really caught me unawares :mad:

In the future, might I suggest preannouncing that you will be announcing a preannouncement of an announcment of an announcement.

TYIA

[qarnos]

This thread really caught me unawares :mad:

In the future, might I suggest preannouncing that you will be announcing a preannouncement of an announcment of an announcement.

TYIA

I started writing a response to this, then I got really confused and spent about five minutes trying to work out what I had written. Then I gave up.

Anyway, to get this thread back on the topic of Dylans preannouncement of an announcement - has anything happened yet? Or is stuff still "in the works"?

I wonder when the LCF guys will get sick of all these false promises - especially the kid with the cat who sounded like he'd spontaneously combust if LCFC isn't released soon. Man it must suck needing other people to tell you what to think about stuff.

[realitybites]

I wish I had one for you, UW. This happened last year at the old LC forums, before the admins began banning all skeptics.

In a nutshell, Dylan started a thread called "Black Boxes Found!!!", and went on to say how he had found pictures of the black boxes at the Smithsonian exhibit. The "truthers" ate it up; it was only the skeptics who asked questions.

After Dylan attempted to defend his find for a few pages in the thread, one of the skeptics (a JREFer I think) just did what Dylan and his cohorts should have done in the first place - ask someone from the Smithsonian. Sure enough, the Smithsonian said that the photos in the exhibit were merely their to show what they black boxes would look like. They weren't the real black boxes from the 9/11 flights.

It just shows how horrible Dylan is as a researcher, how he avoids asking any questions that may spoil his pipe-dream, and how quick he is to announce his 'findings' as truth without any research whatsoever.

In a bit of historical revisionism, Dylan then went back and changed the title of the thread to "Black boxes NOT found", which made the whole ordeal even sillier to anyone who stumbled upon the thread for the first time.

I, and others, have brought up this shining example of Dylan's scooby-doo investigating plenty of times since then. I've looked several times for the original thread, but I doubt that it's still around anymore. I'm sure there are still plenty of folks here who remember it.
I'll briefly come out of my lurking retirement to hit on this one. Abby and I had been going back and forth in that black box thread trying to rationalize with the truthers why, in all that is good and pure on this earth, would a government professing the loss of the black boxes allow a museum to display them.

It pretty much came down the truthers buying into it because the government is dumb and has made a ton of mistakes. Basically, they were the only ones smart enough to realize what was going on.

That didn't work for me, so I simply emailed a guy at the museum (New York State Museum... not the Smithsonian). Ten minutes later, he replied and cleared the whole issue up.

Ten minutes is all it would've taken. But in the land of Twoof, when leading a flock of believers, ten minutes is enough time for them to wander off and stray. Best to keep them in line by spouting unsubstantiated claims, regardless of how easy they'd be to check.

[thisninjascrazy]

I hear what yer saying, Senor Walrus... I don't really sleep on a pile of straw (obviously). I was just waiting for somebody to make a "Strawman!" comment. It's one of the most misused terms on these forums, especially by CTs.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Anyway, to get this thread back on the topic of Dylans preannouncement of an announcement - has anything happened yet? Or is stuff still "in the works"?
I'm guessing he's still waiting for the OK from his "master(s)".

I wonder when the LCF guys will get sick of all these false promises - especially the kid with the cat who sounded like he'd spontaneously combust if LCFC isn't released soon. Man it must suck needing other people to tell you what to think about stuff.
Meh. They'll wait their entire lives for validation if they have to...

[John Blonn]

So folks, which do you think will come first?

1) Dylan Avery's amazing announcement

or

2) Lyte Trip appears on CNN, interviewed about the PentaCon

[Pardalis]

So folks, which do you think will come first?

1) Dylan Avery's amazing announcement

or

2) Lyte Trip appears on CNN, interviewed about the PentaCon

The Montréal Canadiens win the Stanley Cup. :(

[John Blonn]

The Montréal Canadiens win the Stanley Cup. :(

Haha, well at least there is precedence for that feat.

[Foolmewunz]

:popcorn2

:popcorn2

:popcorn2

:popcorn2

:popcorn2

Like their ideas of the truth, the loosers also play loose with the English language. "A few days" now seems to be a week.

Their obsession with JREF still continues. Don't they realize that while they're a teenie weenie forum, in the scope of internet forums and websites, the JREF is quite tiny, itself. This alone should tell them that their movement isn't a movement - it's constipation threatening to overcome itself.



QUOTE (thehighwaymanq @ Apr 22 2007, 03:54 AM)
ok from who


Probably from the people like Mark Cuban. TO fine tune it and make sure the JREF's can't say anything negative about it.

But they will find a way.

The JREF is their enemy because that's the scope of their vision. They aren't even remotely close to getting the attention from the big wide world that they crave. We are but a tiny (if noisy) voice.

[qarnos]

There will be a press release and video from the three of us, to our fans, out in a few days. We just have to sort some things out.

Please don't interrogate me, as I refuse to capitulate this time. :lol:

Trust me. It'll be all smiles.

So is it all smiles, yet? :D

I'm getting bored with waiting. It's like a car crash - I know it's bad, but I can't help but watch!

[Foolmewunz]

I keep watching Mavs home games hoping to see a bunch of tin foil hats in the owner's box, but nothing to report to date.

I'm sure it's not a deep financing or release date, but some fatuous announcement that they've already hinted at, like Sheen doing the narration.

Any other revised bets?

[qarnos]

I keep watching Mavs home games hoping to see a bunch of tin foil hats in the owner's box, but nothing to report to date.

I'm sure it's not a deep financing or release date, but some fatuous announcement that they've already hinted at, like Sheen doing the narration.

Any other revised bets?

Actually, Dylan's OP mentioned nothing of the Final Cut. That was an embellishment by TraitorBasher.

[Foolmewunz]

Actually, Dylan's OP mentioned nothing of the Final Cut. That was an embellishment by TraitorBasher.

Oh dear! Surely it couldn't be some more super secret documents he's found? I would've figured that he learned from the last non-event!

Actually - he doesn't say yes or no on it in the thread starter over there.... so I'm assuming that since it mentioned the whole bunch being in the announcement, it's got to be something about Final Crap.

[qarnos]

Oh dear! Surely it couldn't be some more super secret documents he's found? I would've figured that he learned from the last non-event!

Actually - he doesn't say yes or no on it in the thread starter over there.... so I'm assuming that since it mentioned the whole bunch being in the announcement, it's got to be something about Final Crap.

Actually, I should apologize to TraitorBasher. I asserted that he embellished the "Final Cut" part of the announcement of the announcement, but I didn't notice that he had included a question mark at the end of the topic, which, in truther talk, means it is only a theory.

My bad.

[chipmunk stew]

Actually, I should apologize to TraitorBasher. I asserted that he embellished the "Final Cut" part of the announcement of the announcement, but I didn't notice that he had included a question mark at the end of the topic, which, in truther talk, means it is only a theory.

My bad.
Reminds me of this Daily Show clip (http://www.buzzhumor.com/videos/3003/Question_Mark_The_Daily_Show).

[uk_dave]

Avery:
Sorry everyone, I know this is taking longer than expected. Korey has to meet with some people tomorrow, and hopefully we can say something after that point.

Yeah yeah yeah

[T.A.M.]

They fail to see that naming us the thorn in their side only makes us work harder to provide the REAL TRUTH for the fence sitters. It is a measurement of our success at making them accountable for their lies. They are not even smart enough to play the game the MSM and Academia play with them.

If you don't like us truthers, put us on ignore...lol

TAM:)

[Undesired Walrus]

Avery:
Sorry everyone, I know this is taking longer than expected.

Nope, we'd expect nothing less from you Do-Over.

[NickUK]

Avery:
Sorry everyone, I know this is taking longer than expected. Korey has to meet with some people tomorrow, and hopefully we can say something after that point.

So I've stayed awake for 6 days and nights constantly clicking F5 for nothing?!?!

[HyJinX]

I think the announcement is that they're giving up this fruitless mission and are moving from the Hollywood Hills to the valley in order to pursue a lucrative endeavour in midget porn.

Call it a hunch.

[qarnos]

So I've stayed awake for 6 days and nights constantly clicking F5 for nothing?!?!

I'm concerned some of them may have been doing just that!

[LashL]

The LC forum appears to be down. Must be a plot to block Avery's announcement about his announcement announcing his announcement!!!eleventyone!11!111

[Orphia Nay]

Yes, the forum seems to be down now.

[qarnos]

Yes, the forum seems to be down now.

Maybe Do-over has taken it down to avoid the embarassment of having to admit he has no news.

[The Silver Shadow]

When there is nothing to talk about, blame it on the Zionists...

[The Doc]

The LC forum appears to be down. Must be a plot to block Avery's announcement about his announcement announcing his announcement!!!eleventyone!11!111

It's quite clear that the Jews took it down!!twominusoneequalsone!

;)

[VespaGuy]

I'll briefly come out of my lurking retirement to hit on this one. Abby and I had been going back and forth in that black box thread trying to rationalize with the truthers why, in all that is good and pure on this earth, would a government professing the loss of the black boxes allow a museum to display them.

It pretty much came down the truthers buying into it because the government is dumb and has made a ton of mistakes. Basically, they were the only ones smart enough to realize what was going on.

That didn't work for me, so I simply emailed a guy at the museum (New York State Museum... not the Smithsonian). Ten minutes later, he replied and cleared the whole issue up.

Ten minutes is all it would've taken. But in the land of Twoof, when leading a flock of believers, ten minutes is enough time for them to wander off and stray. Best to keep them in line by spouting unsubstantiated claims, regardless of how easy they'd be to check.

I've used this little display of Dylan's excellent "research" a few times in the past* and I always forget who the person was who sent the e-mail (as well as the museum apparently!). I'll make it a point to give you credit when I bring up this story again in the future. Kudos to you RB for simply doing what Dylan could (and should) have done if he was seriously looking fro real answers and not playing his little conspiracy games.

(*I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but with all of the new members who appear - both truthers and others - I think it's important are reminded of the behaviour of one of the better known names in the truth movement.)

[Foolmewunz]

Well their forum's back up and just in time for their daily "Miss Congeniality Contest"......


QUOTE (seeker135 @ Apr 22 2007, 05:33 PM)
Would you stand and listen to someone who had fecal matter spitting and dribbling out of their mouth? Of course not. Then why even give the Jrefers the pleasure of knowing we're even thinking about them? When the truth comes out (more Truthers every day), they will be condemned to a lifetime of saying -"Jeez those truthers were right, and I had my head up my *ss". :blink: :D

DAMN!

I thought we promised not to mention "You know who"? We we're going so good, oh well we'll forget about it this time. :P

If you MUST refer to them, refer to them as "You know who" we'll go Harry Potter style.

Oh Noes! I've let their secret out, but don't tell too many people, 'kay? That way we'll be all confused when they say "You know who", and what with the fecal matter dribbling down our chins, we'll never figure it out. Well, two can play at that game! We'll just call them "good old whatsisname's fan club", so there! Poopie Heads!

Ya know, all kidding aside, I really am tiring of them. That crowd is really not worth our time, and I'm just sorry to have to continue for the benefit of the noobs and fence-sitters, as I'd really prefer to put them on Internet Ignore in perpetuity! I'm beginning to feel a little soiled reading their stuff.

[Mobyseven]

...I'd really prefer to put them on Internet Ignore in perpetuity!

Ditto to that. But it'd only make things worse - "We won! Stoopid JREFers cant debate us nemore! |-|0\/\/ 1337 r \/\/3?1?1?eleventy-one11!!!1"

[qarnos]

Sorry guys, looks like I can't say anything after all. <_< ;)
:clap:

[LashL]

Sorry guys, looks like I can't say anything after all. :clap:

Well, that figures. An entire week following a cryptic pre-announcement of a supposedly pending announcement to his "fans", and sprinkled with a few more pre-announcements of the pending announcement throughout the week, only to dash their hopes of his "fans" with an announcement that the announcement has been cancelled.
:dl:

[uk_dave]

Headhunter:
That's all I needed to hear. I interpret it to mean wider distribution &/or an entry for Cannes..
Some people are easily pleased...


When this breaks, it will happen in a total flurry and it will make huge historical waves.

....and you'll be able to say "I was there, little timmy, the day that Loose Change:Final Cut was released...shortly before LTW was sued out of existence and the whole 'truth' movement imploded" as you wipe away a tear and fill out your tax return.

[qarnos]

It's ok - they still love him!
Is it good, are things still good, on track, AOK? Can you tell us that Dylan?

Things are better than ever.

That's all I needed to hear. I interpret it to mean wider distribution &/or an entry for Cannes..

When this breaks, it will happen in a total flurry and it will make huge historical waves.

I suspect that Cuban has decided to pull out all the stops, and move full steam ahead on this.

I do hope it will be out by June though, to capture the summer season, during the run-up to the sixth anniversary of 9/11.

If done right, I think it could be as big as Star Wars and most certainly bigger than F911.

Bolding mine. A couple of observations.

1. It's good to see that, after all this stuffing around, a simple reassurance from Dylan is all a CTer needs, whilest simultaneously dismissing the hundreds of eye-witnesses who saw a plane hit The Pentagon, the tens of thousands who saw no evidence of CD preparations in WTC1,2 & 7, etc.

2. As big as Star Wars? First of all, no. Second, Star Wars is more factually accurate that Loose Change will ever be.

[MG1962]

....and you'll be able to say "I was there, little timmy, the day that Loose Change:Final Cut was released...shortly before LTW was sued out of existence and the whole 'truth' movement imploded" as you wipe away a tear and fill out your tax return

Makes ya kinda proud dunnit - to know exactly where you were when the movie was released. I bet you can still name the exact cinema you avoided going to, so as not to see it

[MG1962]

2. As big as Star Wars? First of all, no. Second, Star Wars is more factually accurate that Loose Change will ever be.

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaah right - and that little rebel dune buggy managed to drop the wee bomb in just the right place to make a spaceship the size of the Moon explode.

And don't give that "But it was built from pure thermite" crap either thank you very much. Thats been debunked endlessly

[uk_dave]

Makes ya kinda proud dunnit - to know exactly where you were when the movie was released. I bet you can still name the exact cinema you avoided going to, so as not to see it

Actually .... no. Coz I very seriously doubt any cinema within a 50 mile radius of where I live will be showing LC:FC.

:D

[slingblade]

Makes ya kinda proud dunnit - to know exactly where you were when the movie was released. I bet you can still name the exact cinema you avoided going to, so as not to see it

I've seen its various incarnations several times. Even in actual public with other people. Real people! Not the life-sized Manga cut-outs I surround myself with in my pitiful existence so I won't....

..oh. Sorry.

Anyway, and I'll be seeing the newest version as soon as they let me. You cannot debunk what you have not witnessed. Or, at least, not unless you're that lot. And I'm not.

[8den]

Some people are easily pleased...


Cannes is weeks away, if you ain't ready now, you ain't ready period.

[John Blonn]

Has Dylan even started the film?

[8den]

Has Dylan even started the film?

Its a chicken and an egg thing, which came first Dylan or the bull[****8]?*

* I know Dylan is a vulture preying on 911 I just thought it was small petty n witty, And I need this,

[LashL]

For some reason, an old television commercial leapt to mind. The one with the hook line, "lunchbag letdown."

When the pre-announcement announcing a later announcement of a non-announcement turns out to be an announcement that no announcement will actually occur - well, talk about "lunchbag letdown."

*sigh*

[jhunter1163]

If the Twoofers read between the lines, they'd see that Dylan has sold them out. If you're a real filmmaker, in control of your product, you announce whatever the hell you want, whenever the hell you want to. Dylan obviously does not have any control. He probably sold LC:FC to Cuban and is just stringing the Twoofers on as long as he can. He knows that when the sellout becomes public, he's going to have to go into hiding to escape the wrath of his "fans".

[qarnos]

If the Twoofers read between the lines, they'd see that Dylan has sold them out. If you're a real filmmaker, in control of your product, you announce whatever the hell you want, whenever the hell you want to. Dylan obviously does not have any control. He probably sold LC:FC to Cuban and is just stringing the Twoofers on as long as he can. He knows that when the sellout becomes public, he's going to have to go into hiding to escape the wrath of his "fans".

This is assuming that he even had anything to announce to begin with.

Saying, "Sorry guys, looks like I can't say anything after all", sounds a whole lot better than, "Sorry guys, looks like I jumped the gun again".

[VespaGuy]

Dylan: Do you know how to keep a bunch of Truthers in suspense?
Truther: No. How?
Dylan: I'll tell you tomorrow.

[The Silver Shadow]

Dylan: Do you know how to keep a bunch of Truthers in suspense?
Truther: No. How?
Dylan: I'll tell you tomorrow.
Truther: ok, I'll wait.

[qarnos]

Truther 2: Oh, man! I can't wait to find out how to keep a truther in suspense. This will be, like, the biggest thing EVA!

[HannibalGroup]

Oh please please tell me everything is still okay ... i can wait to find out how to keep a truther in suspense if only Dylan will say everything is better than ever ....

[Hokulele]

It was probably something along the lines of:

Man over at Magnolia Pictures to Dylan: "Yeah, yeah, I'll call you back tomorrow."

Dylan to LCF: "There's gonna be a huge announcement tomorrow!!!XI!!"

LCF: *general frothing*

(SFX, hands racing around a clock dial)

Dylan: *waiting for the phone to ring*

LCF: *waiting for a post to appear*

(SFX, pages ripping off a calendar)

Dylan: *waiting for the phone to ring*

LCF: *waiting for a post to appear*

(SFX, pages ripping off a calendar)

Dylan to Magnolia: "Hello? Magnolia?"

Magnolia to Dylan: "Yeah, yeah, I can't talk now. I'll call you back."

Dylan to LCF: "I'm not allowed to say anything yet."

LCF: *general frothing*

[CHF]

I have a feeling that LCFC (if ever released) will barely be LIHOP.

Dylan's really in the mother of all no-win situations.

[Orphia Nay]

For some reason, an old television commercial leapt to mind. The one with the hook line, "lunchbag letdown."

When the pre-announcement announcing a later announcement of a non-announcement turns out to be an announcement that no announcement will actually occur - well, talk about "lunchbag letdown."

*sigh*

:)

A meme from my childhood springs to my mind:

"If you notice this notice you will notice this notice is a notice not worth noticing."

[John Blonn]

Whatever happens, I am very much going to enjoy the show.

:popcorn1

[~enigma~]

:)

A meme from my childhood springs to my mind:

"If you notice this notice you will notice this notice is a notice not worth noticing."

that really hurts...

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Dylan: Do you know how to keep a bunch of Truthers in suspense?
Truther: No. How?
Dylan: I'll tell you tomorrow.
Truther: Oh, man!! This is going to be HUGE!!!!

Edit: Not to self: When you think you've got a really cool response, keep reading. *glances at qarnos*

[Qubit]

Will someone start a thread about the announcement that there will be no announcement.

[~enigma~]

Will someone start a thread about the announcement that there will be no announcement.
Isn't saying there is nothing to say technically an announcment?

[chipmunk stew]

Dylan: Sorry guys. Due to certain developments I can't reveal too much about how to keep a bunch of Truthers in suspense right now.
Truther: So is this good or bad? Can you at least tell us that much? Come on, throw us a frickin' bone here!
Dylan: Trust me, it's very good... :) I promise you will not be disappointed. It's going to be like Easter, Boxing Day, and Arbor Day all at once...
Truther: AWESOME!!! That's all I need to know. I'm taking this to mean that 9/11 Was an Inside Job.
Truther 2: I just peed in my pants.

[JAStewart]

Maybe Dylan is setting up his safe home with all his money and is going to announce that he's a liar, a fraud, a cheat, and a dead-person-mocker.

Just a hunch.

[CurtC]

It seems to me that Dylan is just going through the motions at this point, and lacks enthusiasm. I've often wondered whether, in the back of his mind, he really knows that his whole thesis is wrong, but he can't bring himself to jump off. In his postings, he seems like he's not the raving lunatic that so many over there are (Quest, roxdog etc.), and I don't think there's any way that a person with two brain cells to rub together could actually believe this stuff long-term.

[Pardalis]

Has Dylan announced he was a lesbian yet?

[~enigma~]

Has Dylan announced he was a lesbian yet?
You mean he likes women?

Are you lesbophobic?

:D

[Disbelief]

It seems to me that Dylan is just going through the motions at this point, and lacks enthusiasm. I've often wondered whether, in the back of his mind, he really knows that his whole thesis is wrong, but he can't bring himself to jump off. In his postings, he seems like he's not the raving lunatic that so many over there are (Quest, roxdog etc.), and I don't think there's any way that a person with two brain cells to rub together could actually believe this stuff long-term.

He's like the lead lemming who realizes he's getting ready to run over a cliff. All the rest are pushing him forward, while he's just trying to figure out how to get out of the way.

[The Silver Shadow]

It seems to me that Dylan is just going through the motions at this point, and lacks enthusiasm. I've often wondered whether, in the back of his mind, he really knows that his whole thesis is wrong, but he can't bring himself to jump off. In his postings, he seems like he's not the raving lunatic that so many over there are (Quest, roxdog etc.), and I don't think there's any way that a person with two brain cells to rub together could actually believe this stuff long-term.
I find that to be true. Generally judging from his body language, he is lacking determination right now from what I see. He just has his fan club, and he's afraid of losing them, so he'll string them along as long as possible to milk the cash cow and sell his wares. Once LCFC comes out, if ever, he will be demolished and thought of as Bart Sibrel or other subpar directors. He will drift away and never be heard of again, even in history.

[Triterope]

Cannes is weeks away, if you ain't ready now, you ain't ready period.

The deadline for submitting a film to Cannes passed over a month ago (http://www.festival-cannes.org/pratique/inscription/reglement.php?langue=6002).

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You mean he likes women?

Are you lesbophobic?

:D
He fears people from the Isle of Lesbos? Whaa?

[Undesired Walrus]

Has Dylan announced he was a lesbian yet?

[south park]"Oh yeah! Scissor me Jason! Scissor me!"[/south park]

[jhunter1163]

I think this affiliation with Cuban is the answer to Dylan's prayers. If LC:FC is well received, Dylan can take credit. If, much more probably, it is set upon by debunkers like a lamb amid a pack of starving wolves, he can blame Cuban for watering down the content. Either way, I think he's done with filmmaking. He'll be absolutely radioactive after LC:FC. No one will touch him with a ten-foot pole.

[~enigma~]

I think this affiliation with Cuban is the answer to Dylan's prayers. If LC:FC is well received, Dylan can take credit. If, much more probably, it is set upon by debunkers like a lamb amid a pack of starving wolves, he can blame Cuban for watering down the content. Either way, I think he's done with filmmaking. He'll be absolutely radioactive after LC:FC. No one will touch him with a ten-foot pole.
If the wrap him in lead I hope they drill out airholes, a hole for his ears, mouth and eyes and well...er...the other end otherwise things could get really messy :D

[The Silver Shadow]

[south park]"Oh yeah! Scissor me Jason! Scissor me!"[/south park]
That had the best depiction of Persians ever

:D

We're such wusses, so we go out and buy designer sunglasses :D

[Orphia Nay]

He's like the lead lemming who realizes he's getting ready to run over a cliff. All the rest are pushing him forward, while he's just trying to figure out how to get out of the way.

An excellent analogy!

I don't think Dylan trying to turn into a weasel (to weasel out of his promises to the twoofers and errors in his films) is going to help in the stampede. He's still going to end up sad, failed, and alone (although maybe not in a padded room like a lot of twoofers ;)) unless he ditches the inside job angle.

I've said before, his next move should be an outsider's look at the truth movement, not telling the story with the conviction of a twoofer.

[uk_dave]

Did I miss it?

[~enigma~]

Did I miss it?
No it is coming on 9/11/07 and as Dylan says (and I believe this) we will be surprised.

[Thunder]

Are people really expecting LCFC to be appearing at their local Regal Cinema or Lowes Theatre? that will never happen.......the NWO would never allow it.

[uk_dave]

****. I gotta wait until november?

bummer

[HawksFan]

****. I gotta wait until november?

bummer

Yeah, but it will be well worth it.

Ya know. Earthshattering and all that.

[Thunder]

Im sure we can expect all sorts of new smoking guns and damning evidence. Expect indictments of George Bush and the whole Neo-Con family to soon follow. There may even be a second revolution because of this film. Hold on to your hats boys....this is gonna be good. ;)

[~enigma~]

****. I gotta wait until november?

bummer
Oh sorry backwards boy...11/09/07...better?

[~enigma~]

Im sure we can expect all sorts of new smoking guns and damning evidence. Expect indictments of George Bush and the whole Neo-Con family to soon follow. There may even be a second revolution because of this film. Hold on to your hats boys....this is gonna be good. ;)
Nah...the inditments were supposed to be from Craig and Aldo's little love fest. LC:FC will surprise us. Take that as you want.

[Mobyseven]

Oh sorry backwards boy...11/09/07...better?

Whoa there big fella. In terms of how long periods of time are: Day < Month < Year.

You yanks order it Month - Day - Year, and for some reason we're the ones doing things backwards???

Not buying it.

[~enigma~]

Whoa there big fella. In terms of how long periods of time are: Day < Month < Year.

You yanks order it Month - Day - Year, and for some reason we're the ones doing things backwards???

Not buying it.
Relativley....your backwards and you drive on the wrong side of the road...want proof? We drive on the right so your wrong :)

[Dog Town]

Whoa there big fella. In terms of how long periods of time are: Day < Month < Year.

You yanks order it Month - Day - Year, and for some reason we're the ones doing things backwards???

Not buying it.

So...it was really 119, not 911? Conspiracy?

[rjh01]

This topic is being discussed in two threads. See LC:FC in PREproduction for over 1 year?! (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=73036&page=5)

If the skeptics cannot even organise themselves discussing CT what hope have they of actually carrying out a CT :D?

Edit Dog Town got it right about the date. It should be 119 not 911. You Yanks cannot get much right.

Beyond being right out of your minds, that is.

[~enigma~]

This topic is being discussed in two threads. See LC:FC in PREproduction for over 1 year?! (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=73036&page=5)

If the skeptics cannot even organise themselves discussing CT what hope have they of actually carrying out a CT :D?

Edit Dog Town got it right about the date. It should be 119 not 911. You Yanks cannot get much right.

Beyond being right out of your minds, that is.And driving on the right side of the road...you drive on the wrong side :)

[Disinfo Agent]

We're driving on the right side AND have a correct date. In your face!!

[Mobyseven]

9/11 is my one allowance for the American date system, because:

a) The date will now be long remembered for a tragedy that occurred in the USA; and

b) Seeing as the emergency number in the USA is 9-1-1, it seems morbidly appropriate.


But by golly when I talk about the Bali Bombings, it's the 12/10 that it occurred on and ain't nobody gonna tell me different.

[~enigma~]

9/11 is my one allowance for the American date system, because:

a) The date will now be long remembered for a tragedy that occurred in the USA; and

b) Seeing as the emergency number in the USA is 9-1-1, it seems morbidly appropriate.


But by golly when I talk about the Bali Bombings, it's the 12/10 that it occurred on and ain't nobody gonna tell me different.
Not to forget that B is a perfect visual teaching aid to learn the number for 911 :)

[CptColumbo]

Of course, UK Dave is assuming that it will have a worldwide release.

[~enigma~]

9/11 is my one allowance for the American date system, because:

a) The date will now be long remembered for a tragedy that occurred in the USA; and

b) Seeing as the emergency number in the USA is 9-1-1, it seems morbidly appropriate.


But by golly when I talk about the Bali Bombings, it's the 12/10 that it occurred on and ain't nobody gonna tell me different.
Weren't the 7/7 bombings an easier date?

[Mobyseven]

Weren't the 7/7 bombings an easier date?

And yet I somehow don't think that 'convenient dating methods' entered the minds of the terrorists...

[~enigma~]

And yet I somehow don't think that 'convenient dating methods' entered the minds of the terrorists...
But don't they (the woo) claim NWO is big on numerology?

[Comsat Angel]

9/11 is my one allowance for the American date system, because:

a) The date will now be long remembered for a tragedy that occurred in the USA; and

b) Seeing as the emergency number in the USA is 9-1-1, it seems morbidly appropriate.


But by golly when I talk about the Bali Bombings, it's the 12/10 that it occurred on and ain't nobody gonna tell me different.

And the British Commonwealth is right behind you on that. Even the Canadians.

[~enigma~]

And the British Commonwealth is right behind you on that. Even the Canadians.
Oh dear...you set this up perfectly but I would get banned if I said it so...NEVERMIND :D

[catbasket]

The 4th of July? So why not July 4th?

;)

[CptColumbo]

Cinco de Mayo

[Foolmewunz]

Cinco de Mayo

Only an American would want a sink full of mayonnaise. The Brits would opt for brown sauce or malt vinegar, you.... you... You Colonial!

(Are we going to have to have this thread moved to Humor? Wait, ... I forgot, this one's actually funny and the one enduring theme in the Humor thread is that it mostly isn't!)

[uk_dave]

Of course, UK Dave is assuming that it will have a worldwide release.

Assume nothing, for all you do then is make an ASS out of U and ME both :D

In fact I seriously doubt that LC:FC will see anything like a global release. Some countries have much stricter libel laws than the US

[Foolmewunz]

The 4th of July? So why not July 4th?

;)

UK DAVE's probably heard it but for the Americans.

Q: What do the English call the Fourth of July?
A: British Thanksgiving

:alc:

[Oliver]

The final cut will be available on November, 11:

Official Site:
http://lc911finalcut.com/

[cozmo236]

The final cut will be available on November, 11:

Official Site:


I found it interesting that the trailer for the final cut has a brief clip of the South side of WTC 7 smoking profusely.

[cozmo236]

Back in the beginning of September I emailed Mr. Avery to see if he could answer some questions for me. First I asked him how he explains the photographs of airplane parts at the Pentagon if a plane never hit it. He told me to "check out the Final Cut". So we can possibly look forward to an "explanation" of that in this edition. Then we went back and forth on the subject of controlled demolition of WTC 1 and 2. Finally I asked him if he knew what is done to prepare a building for demolition. Silly me, I thought it was a reasonable enough question for a man who has worked on a documentary which contends, among other things, that WTC 1 and 2 were brought down in a controlled demolition. His exact response was "No, I do not, I'm not a demolition expert." My exact response to him was "You don't have to be a demolition expert to find out what is done to prep a building for demolition. I'm not an expert at all either but I found out. All it takes is a bit of elementary research." His response to that was "Aren't we getting into semantics here?"

[Oliver]

Back in the beginning of September I emailed Mr. Avery to see if he could answer some questions for me. First I asked him how he explains the photographs of airplane parts at the Pentagon if a plane never hit it. He told me to "check out the Final Cut". So we can possibly look forward to an "explanation" of that in this edition. Then we went back and forth on the subject of controlled demolition of WTC 1 and 2. Finally I asked him if he knew what is done to prepare a building for demolition. Silly me, I thought it was a reasonable enough question for a man who has worked on a documentary which contends, among other things, that WTC 1 and 2 were brought down in a controlled demolition. His exact response was "No, I do not, I'm not a demolition expert." My exact response to him was "You don't have to be a demolition expert to find out what is done to prep a building for demolition. I'm not an expert at all either but I found out. All it takes is a bit of elementary research." His response to that was "Aren't we getting into semantics here?"


You're a lucky guy - I never got any reply to my emails to Dylan
or Gravy (Mark Roberts)...

But since Dylan stated that the final Cut will "hold all water", I
eager to see the final cut - as much as the Debunkers do, I guess. :)

[rjh01]

It does not say where it will be available. Not in theatres or it will say so. Maybe on DVD.

Good luck on being able to find one in a shop.

[Shrinker]

http://www.revolvergroup.com/cinemas_loosechange.htm (UK Distributor)

Note however they're not sure which year its showing.

[Unsecured Coins]

..."In order to access the normal "big movie" distribution channels, we would have to relinquish editorial control of the film. This just wasn't an option for us, as the integrity of our message is ultimately all that we have, and we feared that "the machine" would corrupt or squash our film and its movement."

Integrity? Surely, you jest... you're just afraid to admit that once real film people get ahold of your project and take out all the falsivities (I dun maded up a new word, y'all) you'd have a 62 second film that starts out with credits, shows planes hit the towers, roll the end credits, thank you for coming.

[Reality Believer]

From the website:

This film is not yet rated
Oh, I think we can take a guess.... How about "R" for Ridiculous.