Virginia Tech Massacre -- a fulfillment of a prophecy?

[PeaceCrusader]

My Dear Fellowmen,

One of the 19 prophecies revealed on October 19, 1979 and published in the Philippine Panorama, the Sunday magazine supplement of a daily newspaper, on March 30, 1980 states:

“Disease of the brain, or insanity, will prevail in 1980, 1981 until 1988, especially in the three superpower countries.”

In 1980, John Lennon of the Beatles, was shot dead by a madman.
In 1981, President Ronald Reagan was assassinated by a madman. Luckily, he survived the assassination attempt.
In 1982, Queen Elizabeth was intruded in her bedroom at Buckingham Palace by a madman.
In 1984, the “Hamburger Massacre” happened at the southern California border town of San Ysidro where 21 people were slaughtered by a madman.
In 1996, the slaughter of 16 innocent children and their teacher happened in Dunblane, Scotland by a madman.
Also in 1996, the “Port Arthur Massacre” in Tasmania, Australia, left 35 people dead killed by a madman.
There are other similar cases in recent years. And now, we have the Virginia Tech Massacre done by a madman.

Among the many people we mix with are people with mental health problem. This was almost repeatedly told to us every year when the Record of Life was read. And we were warned about this problem. Who can we rely on for our protection? Only God. More than ever, now we have to learn to call on Him and know Him.

Is the prophecy fulfilled by this massacre?

The grace of peace of the true God be with us and forever.

With love, your brother in Jesus,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
Motto: pro aris et focis
“The Internet is mightier than the sword.”

[ImaginalDisc]

With love, your brother in Jesus,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo


Why are you Crusading inside Jesus?

[scotth]

I was gonna say, "great joke"... but I don't think you are joking now that I've read it a second time.

[Jeff Wagg]

No.

[Beleth]

That's not even wrong.

[fuelair]

Not even close - and it has been a long time since England and Scotland were among the three superpowers. And which part of Jesus are you in anyway?

[Foster Zygote]

Please ask yourself this: Is insanity really a new phenomenon, or have mentally ill people been around at least as long as recorded history?

Also it says: “Disease of the brain, or insanity, will prevail..." Do the actions of a few individuals causing harm, however cruel and painful, to a tiny percentage of the population really qualify?

In 1981, President Ronald Reagan was assassinated by a madman. Luckily, he survived the assassination attempt.
So, he wasn't really assassinated, was he?:rolleyes:

Among the many people we mix with are people with mental health problem. This was almost repeatedly told to us every year when the Record of Life was read. And we were warned about this problem. Who can we rely on for our protection? Only God. More than ever, now we have to learn to call on Him and know Him.
Out of the whole of the human population you cite 7 examples spread over 27 years. Not much of an epidemic of madness is it?

[Marquis de Carabas]

OK, I may be wrong here, as I don't have a good memory for dates, but didn't the shootings at VT take place well after 1988?

[SimonD]

Why does God feel it necessary to have so many people killed to fulfill a prophecy?

God is going allow death and distruction before coming back to earth? Rat bastard. Why can't he show up before the mass murder begins?

[Marquis de Carabas]

God is going allow death and distruction before coming back to earth? Rat bastard. Why can't he show up before the mass murder begins?
It's called "securing the area".

[scotth]

It's called "securing the area".

securing or scouring?

[Marquis de Carabas]

securing or scouring?
Tuh-may-toe, tuh-mah-toe.

[Miss Anthrope]

Well, the film "Can't Stop the Music" starring the Village People and Steve Gutenberg was released in 1980......

[scotth]

Tuh-may-toe, tuh-mah-toe.

So, when you coming to dallas again?

[JoeTheJuggler]

And no acts of insanity occurred in ANY other years except 1980, 1981 and 1988? The list of supposed proof (I guess) doesn't even include one for 1988, and it does include several other years. The Virginia Tech shootings just took place this year, in 2007--the prophecy didn't seem to mention that at all. So, in short---What??

For the record, this sentence is false:
In 1981, President Ronald Reagan was assassinated by a madman.

Seems to me these prophecies are always one of two varieties:

1) Those that are linked to specifics only after the fact (shoehorning)

or

2) Those that don't come true.

[Marquis de Carabas]

So, when you coming to dallas again?
When the Stars make the Finals.

[scotth]

When the Stars make the Finals.

Are you saying it will be a while? or are you hoping the Stars turn it around?

[Jimbo07]

Among the many people we mix with are people with mental health problem.

Well, you got one thing right... sorta...

:rolleyes:

[Marquis de Carabas]

Are you saying it will be a while? or are you hoping the Stars turn it around?
Hoping. I don't really know when I'll be back up that way. Maybe sometime this summer.

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear ImaginalDisc and Fellow Forumers,

Why are you Crusading inside Jesus?

What do you mean by "Crusading inside Jesus"?

My signature is "Peace Crusader". I am crusading for world peace (physical or material) and also for the saving of the soul (spiritual) through Jesus Christ. Only belief in Jesus and following His commandments can one have peace with the true God.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[Tanstaafl]

Okay, here's my foray into prophesy...

In the future, sometimes bad things will happen.

You can all start building that temple to me now.

[Björn Toulouse]

i've really become sick of all of these Monday Morning Missionaries and their perverted interpretations of a horrible and deliberate tragedy.

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Scotth and Fellow Forumers,

I was gonna say, "great joke"... but I don't think you are joking now that I've read it a second time.

Thank you for thinking that it is not a "great joke".

The other prophecies are found in @http://www.geocities.com/peacecrusader888/prophecyidx.htm . Sorry but you have to copy the URL to go to the website. I am not allowed (yet?) to put any links in my postings.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[scotth]

Dear Scotth and Fellow Forumers,



Thank you for thinking that it is not a "great joke".


It was better as a joke.

[Jimbo07]

i've really become sick of all of these Monday Morning Missionaries

... erm... in this case, Friday afternoon missionary?

:D

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Fuelair and Fellow Forumers,

Not even close - and it has been a long time since England and Scotland were among the three superpowers. And which part of Jesus are you in anyway?

I think those countries considered as superpowers are those permanent members of the UN's Security Council. Isn't Great Britain one of these members?

Which part of Jesus am I in? I am a non-denominational Christian, a plain follower of Jesus. I have found that it is only through belief in Him can my soul be saved and go to Heaven. I believe in eternal life and this is eternal life of my soul. My soul lives forever whereas my physical body does not. It is just a house (or container) where my soul resides.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[scotth]

The other prophecies are found in http://www.geocities.com/peacecrusader888/prophecyidx.htm . Sorry but you have to copy the URL to go to the website. I am not allowed (yet?) to put any links in my postings.


(link fixed)

Why would we be interested in the others when the one you've shown us is so without value?

[SimonD]

Dear ImaginalDisc and Fellow Forumers,

What do you mean by "Crusading inside Jesus"?

O dear! - Why does God send us such stupid people to be his voice?


your brother in Jesus,

Get it....

... I am crusading for world peace (physical or material) and also for the saving of the soul (spiritual) through Jesus Christ.

You and your God are failing miserably. Is not religion one of the main reasons that there is no peace in this world? Religious fanatics are all so keen to tells us that their God is right, that they spend so much time and energy in dispatching each other to find out. I've noticed that none them have come back to say who was right or wrong, though.

... Only belief in Jesus and following His commandments can one have peace with the true God.

Wrong again.

[Piscivore]

My Dear Fellowmen,

One of the 19 prophecies revealed on October 19, 1979 and published in the Philippine Panorama, the Sunday magazine supplement of a daily newspaper, on March 30, 1980 states:

“Disease of the brain, or insanity, will prevail in 1980, 1981 until 1988, especially in the three superpower countries.”

In 1980, John Lennon of the Beatles, was shot dead by a madman.
In 1981, President Ronald Reagan was assassinated by a madman. Luckily, he survived the assassination attempt.
In 1982, Queen Elizabeth was intruded in her bedroom at Buckingham Palace by a madman.
In 1984, the “Hamburger Massacre” happened at the southern California border town of San Ysidro where 21 people were slaughtered by a madman.
In 1996, the slaughter of 16 innocent children and their teacher happened in Dunblane, Scotland by a madman.
Also in 1996, the “Port Arthur Massacre” in Tasmania, Australia, left 35 people dead killed by a madman.
There are other similar cases in recent years. And now, we have the Virginia Tech Massacre done by a madman.

Among the many people we mix with are people with mental health problem. This was almost repeatedly told to us every year when the Record of Life was read. And we were warned about this problem. Who can we rely on for our protection? Only God. More than ever, now we have to learn to call on Him and know Him.

Is the prophecy fulfilled by this massacre?

The grace of peace of the true God be with us and forever.

With love, your brother in Jesus,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo
Motto: pro aris et focis
“The Internet is mightier than the sword.”

You know, I'm really fed up with this ignorant, prejudicial stereotyping. Every time some wanker who can't get laid gets frustrated and shoots a few people, suddenly he's a "madman". Please!

Mark David Chapman - I'm sorry, reading "Catcher" 541 times and then capping ONE aging hippie might make someone seem cool and deep to their junior college buddies, but a) getting caught, b) surviving, and most importantly c) not doing anything remotely interesting for the rest of the century irrevocably recinds his "madman" cred. Maybe if he shoved pages from "Catcher" into every orifice of his cell-mate's corpse while crying the lyrics to "Yellow Submarine", I could throw you a bone, but no.

John Hinkley - The Jodie Foster angle was a good jumping off place, but he didn't do anything with it except be a whiney little bitch. Plus, he missed. Plus, he also failed to do anything else, ever. Loser, yes. Madman, not even close.

Michael Fagan - Tresspassing? Are you f[rule 8]g kidding me? How does not wearing shoes in a lady's bedchamber and chatting for ten minutes seem mad to you when Peter Sutcliffe and Dennis Nilsen were both finally caught just the year before?

How you can lump these little pissants in the same category as James Oliver Huberty, Thomas Hamilton, and Martin Bryant- let alone the in the same post- is frankly beyond me.

[saizai]

PC: Your claimed prophesy was that it would be until 1988. I.e. that it would stop after 1988.

You are claiming that the VT incident is evidence of the type of thing you were prophesying would end in 1988.

This disproves your prophesy by your own interpretation.

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Foster Zygote and Fellow Forumers,

Please ask yourself this: Is insanity really a new phenomenon, or have mentally ill people been around at least as long as recorded history?

There may have been cases before 1979 but it is not as rampant (or in epidemic proportion) as it is now. What are the causes of insanity?

The killing of John Lennon in 1980, the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan in 1981, the intrusion into the bedroom of Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace by madmen show that there is a problem of mental disorder. These prominent personalities underline that the problem of insanity was real and prevalent. If the attacks by madmen happened to an ordinary person, will they make into the international headlines? Most likely not. They would have been ignored. But if it involves prominent people like the above and mass and indiscriminate killings which is extraordinary, then it could, like the "Hamburger Massacre", "Dunblane Massacre", "Port Arthur Massacre", and now, "Virginia Tech Massacre".

In 1981, President Ronald Reagan was assassinated by a madman. Luckily, he survived the assassination attempt.
So, he wasn't really assassinated, was he?:rolleyes:

Sorry but I thought the word "assassination" was the plot. I did not know that assassination includes the successful killing "by sudden or secret, ple-planned attack, esp. for political or religious reasons" (The Pocket Macquarie Dictionary).

Among the many people we mix with are people with mental health problem. This was almost repeatedly told to us every year when the Record of Life was read. And we were warned about this problem. Who can we rely on for our protection? Only God. More than ever, now we have to learn to call on Him and know Him.
Out of the whole of the human population you cite 7 examples spread over 27 years. Not much of an epidemic of madness is it?
Also it says: “Disease of the brain, or insanity, will prevail..." Do the actions of a few individuals causing harm, however cruel and painful, to a tiny percentage of the population really qualify?

How many people have mental problems? Did you know that there is a lot of them? Even depression is considered as a mental problem. There are even new unnamed kinds of mental disorders never heard of before. Is ADHD one?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear JoeTheJuggler and Saizai and Fellow Forumers,

And no acts of insanity occurred in ANY other years except 1980, 1981 and 1988? The list of supposed proof (I guess) doesn't even include one for 1988, and it does include several other years. The Virginia Tech shootings just took place this year, in 2007--the prophecy didn't seem to mention that at all. So, in short---What??

For the record, this sentence is false:


Seems to me these prophecies are always one of two varieties:

1) Those that are linked to specifics only after the fact (shoehorning)

or

2) Those that don't come true.

PC: Your claimed prophesy was that it would be until 1988. I.e. that it would stop after 1988.

You are claiming that the VT incident is evidence of the type of thing you were prophesying would end in 1988.

This disproves your prophesy by your own interpretation.

In about 1986, I asked the spirit who revealed this prophecy if 1988 would be the ultimate, the final act of madness or insanity of man since the prophecy states "until 1988". He replied in the negative. That is why even after 1988, we had cases of insanity committed by madmen. And we will continue to witness these. The list is long. You may check out Wikipedia.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

So this person was prophesying that really bad stuff would happen occasionally, up until 1988? Then he amended it to last forever?

Can't argue with that, really. I'd say the guy is a genius!

~~ Paul

[Cello Man]

Hey PeaceCrusader, while you're on Wikipedia, check out this nugget and ask, "How does this apply to me?"...because it does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[Macoy]

Dear JoeTheJuggler and Saizai and Fellow Forumers...


In about 1986, I asked the spirit ...

asked the spirit? how do you do that?

[JoeTheJuggler]

So mentioning specific years meant exactly nothing?

Pretty thin. Kind of like saying "events will happen".

Seriously, I'd take "diseases of the brain" to mean Alzheimer's or encephalitis, not people shooting each other.

[SimonD]

asked the spirit? how do you do that?

Talking to voices in his head. Sounds like a mental problem to me.

[Cello Man]

A phrase I picked up from my brother...

"Experience is something you get immediately after you needed it."

Prophecy is the attempt to make experience work backwards, to gain insight and experience from the future. Trouble is, it doesn't work that way. You can make inferences, predictions, and educated guesses, but you can't be right all the time. Predictions that you "receive" from your imaginary friend are completely worthless and unreliable. Careful observation of reality is all we have. It's not perfect, or ideal, but it's the best we've got.

[Beleth]

Let's look at that prophecy.

“Disease of the brain, or insanity, will prevail in 1980, 1981 until 1988, especially in the three superpower countries.”

"Disease of the brain" sounds like an infection or other malady (BSE), not merely having a rage attack. Insanity is more than a single insane act.

"Prevail"? Prevail over what? Over sanity? What does that mean?

In 1979 the three superpower countries were the USA, the USSR, and China. By definition. There can be no equivocating about this.


I think it's safe to say that this is a prime example of a prophecy that
has failed to come true on any count.

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Macoy and Fellow Forumers,

asked the spirit? how do you do that?
I have mentioned this in the Million Dollar Challenge Forum but I will relate this again.

We (plural) talk to a spirit. The experience is not exclusive to me.

There is a woman in the Philippines by the name of Mrs. Maria Liwayway Alvaran. Her spirit leaves her body through her fontanel and a sound is heard like blowing through a pipe. Then the spirit of Ama (the name we call Him, which in Pilipino means God the Father) enters her body through the fontanel also with that same kind of sound. Once inside the body of Mrs. Alvaran, the spirit talks. The voice is now that of a man's voice, not that of the woman's. Our talk with Him, which we call session, is tape recorded. This may be for five to fifteen minutes but oftentimes before, may last for 45 minutes, even to an hour at times. Examples of what He said are in my website in their original Pilipino text and some of them are my translation to English. When the session is ended, the spirit gives His blessings and exits the woman's body via the fontanel with that sound. Then the spirit of the woman returns to her body, again via the same area and sound.

The spirit first appropriated the body of the woman in 1957. I first heard the spirit in 1983. I have copies of some sessions held in the 1970s which I copied from two listeners.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[Macoy]

Dear Macoy and Fellow Forumers,


I have mentioned this in the Million Dollar Challenge Forum but I will relate this again.

We (plural) talk to a spirit. The experience is not exclusive to me.

There is a woman in the Philippines by the name of Mrs. Maria Liwayway Alvaran. Her spirit leaves her body through her fontanel and a sound is heard like blowing through a pipe. Then the spirit of Ama (the name we call Him, which in Pilipino means God the Father) enters her body through the fontanel also with that same kind of sound. Once inside the body of Mrs. Alvaran, the spirit talks. The voice is now that of a man's voice, not that of the woman's. Our talk with Him, which we call session, is tape recorded. This may be for five to fifteen minutes but oftentimes before, may last for 45 minutes, even to an hour at times. Examples of what He said are in my website in their original Pilipino text and some of them are my translation to English. When the session is ended, the spirit gives His blessings and exits the woman's body via the fontanel with that sound. Then the spirit of the woman returns to her body, again via the same area and sound.

The spirit first appropriated the body of the woman in 1957. I first heard the spirit in 1983. I have copies of some sessions held in the 1970s which I copied from two listeners.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

so you sell tapes of yourself talking?

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Macoy and Fellow Forumers,

so you sell tapes of yourself talking?

No, I don't sell tapes. I transcribe them and put them in my website for you to pick out what you think is good for you, and discard whatever is evil, if any.

I am not forcing anyone to believe in what I believe in. Our salvation depends upon our own efforts and not by anyone or anybody forcing his/her belief on us.

Do you know who that spirit is? He is Jesus Christ Himself--now as a spirit. He is who the Bible calls the Holy Spirit. When I first heard Him in 1983, I did not believe that He is Jesus. It took me until 1994, or eleven years later, before I accepted that the spirit we talk to is none other than Jesus and only after I found some extraordinary events in my life that I can only attribute to God to make them happen. So I cannot expect that you will believe in what I say immediately.

The spirit told us to ask questions for it is the way to gain knowledge.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[Hokulele]

There is no Pilipino language. The Phillipines have more languages than Baskin Robbins has ice cream flavors. You can speak Tagalog, Ilicano, etc. Saying the spirit speaks Pilipino is like saying I speak Romance. Besides, if this really is a spirit, wouldn't it be able to speak any language?

[UnrepentantSinner]

There is no Pilipino language. The Phillipines have more languages than Baskin Robbins has ice cream flavors. You can speak Tagalog, Ilicano, etc. Saying the spirit speaks Pilipino is like saying I speak Romance. Besides, if this really is a spirit, wouldn't it be able to speak any language?

And wouldn't it be Filipino anyway?

- edit: Google shows me he spells it correctly on his Geocities page.

[bruto]

Put aside for a moment the obvious problems with the provenance of the prophecy, and even the question of what qualifies a guess of something so vague and obvious to be called a prophecy.

Let's stipulate for a moment that it really is a prophecy. So what? What use is a prophecy that doesn't actually provide information? Even if you could prove in some way that the prophecy is real, all you'd really succeed in doing is discrediting prophecy as worthless. We'd be better off ignoring it anyway.

[SimonD]

So you talk to voices in someone else's head? Well now I'm really convinced:boggled:

[fromdownunder]

From the OP:

“Disease of the brain, or insanity, will prevail in 1980, 1981 until 1988, especially in the three superpower countries.”

Since evidence has now been provided that this would continue past 1988, I genuinely believe that the OP is correct, and offer the following evidence, that insanity has occured in recent times.

This insanity was the people who approved of, and spent hundreds of millions of dollars on:

Catwoman
Supeman Returns

Thank you PeaceCrusader on your incredible prediction for explaining how these dogs were actually written, funded and released.

Oh, also thanks to your incredibly vague prediction that did not even allow anybody to be warned about them you [RULE 8]. BTW, here is my prediction for the rest of this year:

"There will be a plane accident, and people will be killed". You may worship me at your leisure, you [RULE 8]. Cash would be nice!

I am editing this to add, and to be perfectly honest, if it gets me a warning, a suspension, or a ban, I do not care. I am angry about all the crap that is going around the internet about this very sad event.

Anybody who uses such a tragic occasion to push a personal useless pointless and self centred agenda is as sick as the person who perpertrated the event in the first place. What was the first thing you thought of PeaceCrusader? Were you sorry for the victims? Their families and friends? The tens of thousands of others who were personally directly affected by this, and the millions who were indirectly affected?

Of course not! Your obvious first thoughts were "how can I use this to promote my cause?" You make me sick.

Norm

[Filippo Lippi]

Her spirit leaves her body through her fontanel and a sound is heard like blowing through a pipe.

Pulse-rich diet?

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Simon Dalton and Fellow Forumers,

So you talk to voices in someone else's head? Well now I'm really convinced:boggled:

The spirit in the woman's body that talks to us (plural) is Ama's. It is not the woman's. It is a man's voice and not a woman's voice. Do you think I am plain naive not to distinguish if the woman is just impersonating? I have mentioned that it took me eleven years (1983-1994) before I accepted that the spirit we talk to is the spirit of Jesus Christ. Please scrutinize what He said that are in my website. Some are as long as three or four pages, single space, maybe, about 15 minutes long.

Do you want to know what His other prophecies are?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[Hokulele]

<snip>

Do you want to know what His other prophecies are?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo


No.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Do you want to know what His other prophecies are?

Id be more interested in seeing video tape where this gas enters the spigot on the womans forehead and she starts speaking in a mans voice.

I've watched J.Z. Knight do that same crap 20 years ago and she wasn't as convincing a man as Ru Paul was a woman.

[Filippo Lippi]

Do you want to know what His other prophecies are?




Do you have something specific in the near future?

[Quinn]

In about 1986, I asked the spirit who revealed this prophecy if 1988 would be the ultimate, the final act of madness or insanity of man since the prophecy states "until 1988". He replied in the negative.

So what you're saying is, he got it wrong the first time. Either that, or he lied to you. So which was it? Was Jesus a screwup, or a liar? Either way, doesn't sound much like an omniscient, omnibenevolent deity to me.

[SimonD]

Dear Simon Dalton and Fellow Forumers,

The spirit in the woman's body that talks to us (plural) is Ama's. It is not the woman's. It is a man's voice and not a woman's voice. Do you think I am plain naive not to distinguish if the woman is just impersonating?


Yes I do think you are that naive. You are being conned and lied to.

Your 'Ama' does not exist nor does your sky fairy. I wouldn't waste my time reading your website and I wish you would do us all a favour and stop wasting ours.

Your 'Ama' can't even make a prophecy that is correct, unless it's so vauge that it could be anything.

Wake up and smell the **** that you are shovelling

[UnrepentantSinner]

So what you're saying is, he got it wrong the first time. Either that, or he lied to you. So which was it? Was Jesus a screwup, or a liar? Either way, doesn't sound much like an omniscient, omnibenevolent deity to me.

I know this is pedantry to the point if inaneness, but note that he's not claiming to get the prophecy from Jesus, but from Ama, which is God the Father. I think he's crazy, but lets at least give the guy enough respect to quote him properly or argue against what he's actually claiming.

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Filippo Lippi and Fellow Forumers,

Do you have something specific in the near future?

Among the prophecies that Ama gave to us are:
Human babies (plural) will be born with three eyes. At least, one baby will be born with horns. Human being will give birth to kitten, and cat will give birth to human being. (There may be more than one case of each of these horns, cat and kitten.) These were revealed to us in early 1990s but more than a decade has passed and I have not seen their fulfillment yet, but I firmly believe that they will happen--in His time. These are impossible to men but not to God--the true God. Can false gods give such prophecies? Do they have the power to make prophecies like these to happen?

He also told us that World War III will start in the Philippines--at Spratly Islands in particular. This war will be chaotic. The Philippines will be occupied by the Chinese like what happened to the country in WWII when the Japanese occupied the country. Remember, this is a world war. He compared this to a lamp. When the wick of the lamp is lit, then the lamp will be aglow. There is no place in this world where we can hide without being affected by the war. And many people will die in this war reducing the population of the world greatly. I believe nuclear weapons will be used because He said that people will die without even know what hit them.

There are many other prophecies to list but do you really want to know them? I have mentioned some of them in the Million Dollar Challenge forum.

What He told us is to "maintain in us the faith that is very firm and steadfast." That is faith in the true God--not just any gods but the true God.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[SimonD]

I know this is pedantry to the point if inaneness, but note that he's not claiming to get the prophecy from Jesus, but from Ama, which is God the Father. I think he's crazy, but lets at least give the guy enough respect to quote him properly or argue against what he's actually claiming.

FDU* said it best. Respect is a two way street.


I am editing this to add, and to be perfectly honest, if it gets me a warning, a suspension, or a ban, I do not care. I am angry about all the crap that is going around the internet about this very sad event.

Anybody who uses such a tragic occasion to push a personal useless pointless and self centred agenda is as sick as the person who perpertrated the event in the first place. What was the first thing you thought of PeaceCrusader? Were you sorry for the victims? Their families and friends? The tens of thousands of others who were personally directly affected by this, and the millions who were indirectly affected?

Of course not! Your obvious first thoughts were "how can I use this to promote my cause?" You make me sick.

Norm

* I don't speach for Norm. I only use his words beacuse they're so well written

[SimonD]

Among the prophecies that Ama gave to us are:Human babies (plural) will be born with three eyes. At least, one baby will be born with horns.

A deformed baby will be born

Human being will give birth to kitten, and cat will give birth to human being. (There may be more than one case of each of these horns, cat and kitten.)

At long last we will be able to show the ID'ers - "look a chicken can become a cow":)
My father has kittens all the time.:)

These were revealed to us in early 1990s but more than a decade has passed and I have not seen their fulfillment yet, but I firmly believe that they will happen--in His time. These are impossible to men but not to God--the true God. Can false gods give such prophecies? Do they have the power to make prophecies like these to happen?

Don't worry. When you are told by Ama that they have come true you will believe...or else you go to hell.

He also told us that World War III will start in the Philippines--at Spratly Islands in particular.

Ask him for a date and a time. He's all knowing, it should be no problem.

This war will be chaotic.

Wow, a war will be chaotic. I can't think of a war that wasn't.

The Philippines will be occupied by the Chinese like what happened to the country in WWII when the Japanese occupied the country.

History will repeat itself. Like to always has.

Remember, this is a world war. He compared this to a lamp. When the wick of the lamp is lit, then the lamp will be aglow. There is no place in this world where we can hide without being affected by the war. And many people will die in this war reducing the population of the world greatly.

Yes, you already said it was a world war, that would be a war that effects the whole world.

I believe nuclear weapons will be used because He said that people will die without even know what hit them.

They were used in the last world war. Makes sense that they would be used again.

There are many other prophecies to list but do you really want to know them? I have mentioned some of them in the Million Dollar Challenge forum..

No. Please, enough is enough

What He told us is to "maintain in us the faith that is very firm and steadfast." That is faith in the true God--not just any gods but the true God.

And the true god would be? Please select one, there is plenty of 'one true gods' to choose from

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Hokulele and Fellow Forumers,

There is no Pilipino language. The Phillipines have more languages than Baskin Robbins has ice cream flavors. You can speak Tagalog, Ilicano, etc. Saying the spirit speaks Pilipino is like saying I speak Romance. Besides, if this really is a spirit, wouldn't it be able to speak any language?

I come from the Philippines but I am confused myself as to the use of the words "Pilipino" and "Filipino". They may have been changed recently. During my student days, the people are called "Filipino" and the language is "Pilipino". In fact, we have a subject called "Pilipino". And that is how I use them here.

We can hear the spirit speak in Pilipino because the medium is from the Philippines. Did you know that we may talking in Pilipino but there are mediums also in other countries which utter our conversation in their own languages. They are like radios--receivers only. What is being said in the Philippines is being transmitted to radios around the world in their own native languages. For example, the listeners around a medium in Bangladesh will be hearing in Bangla. I may be talking in Pilipino in the Philippines but those people in Bangladesh will be hearing my voice in Bangla. But I do not know Bangla. Is this impossible? To men, yes, it is impossible, but not to the true God.

I hope to meet these people from other countries one day. I may hear in their tape recordings my voice speaking in their own languages which I do not even know. The power of the Holy Spirit? Speaking in tongues? This is better because the listeners understand what is being said instead of garbled utterances.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[UnrepentantSinner]

FDU* said it best. Respect is a two way street.

I was only talking about having enough respect for someone to address what they're actually claiming, not whether they're raving loons who ghoulishly try and exploit a tragedy for their own personal agenda. That should be smacked down with extreme prejudice.

[Filippo Lippi]

Dear Filippo Lippi and Fellow Forumers,



Among the prophecies that Ama gave to us are:
Human babies (plural) will be born with three eyes. At least, one baby will be born with horns. Human being will give birth to kitten, and cat will give birth to human being. (There may be more than one case of each of these horns, cat and kitten.) These were revealed to us in early 1990s but more than a decade has passed and I have not seen their fulfillment yet, but I firmly believe that they will happen--in His time. These are impossible to men but not to God--the true God. Can false gods give such prophecies? Do they have the power to make prophecies like these to happen?

He also told us that World War III will start in the Philippines--at Spratly Islands in particular. This war will be chaotic. The Philippines will be occupied by the Chinese like what happened to the country in WWII when the Japanese occupied the country. Remember, this is a world war. He compared this to a lamp. When the wick of the lamp is lit, then the lamp will be aglow. There is no place in this world where we can hide without being affected by the war. And many people will die in this war reducing the population of the world greatly. I believe nuclear weapons will be used because He said that people will die without even know what hit them.

There are many other prophecies to list but do you really want to know them? I have mentioned some of them in the Million Dollar Challenge forum.

What He told us is to "maintain in us the faith that is very firm and steadfast." That is faith in the true God--not just any gods but the true God.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

If Ama wants people to believe, why is it unable to give specific details in its prophesies?

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Filippo Lippi and Fellow Forumers,

If Ama wants people to believe, why is it unable to give specific details in its prophesies?
You are correct. He did not give specific details about His prophecies--no date, no time, no place. He said something like everything may come to an end but His words will remain true. That is why He tells us that the prophecies He revealed to us will happen, no doubt about that, but He did not tell us when. He just said that we have to prepare our body and soul and pray and remain in our faith in Jesus.

The World War III prophecy has some specificity in it. The place where it will all start is very specific--Spratly Islands--of all places in this world. Why Spratly Islands? What is its significance? Why not Iraq? Or Iran?

Who would think that World War I would be triggered by the assassination of the Austrian archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in the Balkans on June 28, 1914?

So with regards to the prophecy of insanity, we just have to be prepared and pray that we be spared by the senseless acts of these insane people. Ama advised us that one way to avoid acts such as these is to remain in the safety of our homes. If before we like to gallivant, we change that now.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[wahrheit]

PeaceCrusader, if the VT massacre was the fulfillment of a prophecy, forum rules keep me from telling you what to do with your so called "prophecies".

Also, you must be both very deluded and bigheaded, to put it mildly, if you think Jesus is talking to you, and it is up to you to spread his word to Bangladesh and the rest of the world. No thanks, PeaceCrusader, neither the people in Bangladesh nor we deserve any of the sick flapdoodle you claim and post here.

Reading your posts where you talk about naïvety and mental conditions admittedly had some humorous potential, though.

[TriangleMan]

So PeaceCrusader's faith in Jesus is based on conversations with a channeller, in touch with a spirit called Ama, who makes vague predictions, that don't come true?


*TriangleMan slowly backs away to the door - then runs away*

[strathmeyer]

The World War III prophecy has some specificity in it. The place where it will all start is very specific--Spratly Islands--of all places in this world. Why Spratly Islands? What is its significance? Why not Iraq? Or Iran?

"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. So then, you will know them by their fruits."

PeaceCrusader, can you please explain which holy book you ascribe to, since it obviously isn't the Christian's Holy Bible?

[fuelair]

Dear Macoy and Fellow Forumers,


I have mentioned this in the Million Dollar Challenge Forum but I will relate this again.

We (plural) talk to a spirit. The experience is not exclusive to me.

There is a woman in the Philippines by the name of Mrs. Maria Liwayway Alvaran. Her spirit leaves her body through her fontanel and a sound is heard like blowing through a pipe. Then the spirit of Ama (the name we call Him, which in Pilipino means God the Father) enters her body through the fontanel also with that same kind of sound. Once inside the body of Mrs. Alvaran, the spirit talks. The voice is now that of a man's voice, not that of the woman's. Our talk with Him, which we call session, is tape recorded. This may be for five to fifteen minutes but oftentimes before, may last for 45 minutes, even to an hour at times. Examples of what He said are in my website in their original Pilipino text and some of them are my translation to English. When the session is ended, the spirit gives His blessings and exits the woman's body via the fontanel with that sound. Then the spirit of the woman returns to her body, again via the same area and sound.

The spirit first appropriated the body of the woman in 1957. I first heard the spirit in 1983. I have copies of some sessions held in the 1970s which I copied from two listeners.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

My condolences on your disorder. Please seek help as you need it desperately.

[Beleth]

There is a woman in the Philippines by the name of Mrs. Maria Liwayway Alvaran. Her spirit leaves her body through her fontanel and a sound is heard like blowing through a pipe. Then the spirit of Ama (the name we call Him, which in Pilipino means God the Father) enters her body through the fontanel also with that same kind of sound. Once inside the body of Mrs. Alvaran, the spirit talks. The voice is now that of a man's voice, not that of the woman's.
So... she's a witch, then.

The Bible's pretty specific about what to do towards witches.

[fromdownunder]

Dear Hokulele and Fellow Forumers,

I hope to meet these people from other countries one day. I may hear in their tape recordings my voice speaking in their own languages which I do not even know. The power of the Holy Spirit? Speaking in tongues? This is better because the listeners understand what is being said instead of garbled utterances.

PeaceCrusader, meet TongueSpeaker. Why are you correct, and he is not? You two ought to have a debate. I'll bring the peanuts and beer.

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=202001

Norm

[calebprime]

From the OP:

“Disease of the brain, or insanity, will prevail in 1980, 1981 until 1988, especially in the three superpower countries.”

Since evidence has now been provided that this would continue past 1988, I genuinely believe that the OP is correct, and offer the following evidence, that insanity has occured in recent times.

This insanity was the people who approved of, and spent hundreds of millions of dollars on:

Catwoman
Supeman Returns

Thank you PeaceCrusader on your incredible prediction for explaining how these dogs were actually written, funded and released.

Oh, also thanks to your incredibly vague prediction that did not even allow anybody to be warned about them you [RULE 8]. BTW, here is my prediction for the rest of this year:

...

Norm



Seconded. Don't forget Ishtar.

[l0rca]

I dream of the day when forum goers reply to messages like this with a "LOL," and then stop egging on the weirdo.

[fuelair]

Dear ImaginalDisc and Fellow Forumers,



What do you mean by "Crusading inside Jesus"?

My signature is "Peace Crusader". I am crusading for world peace (physical or material) and also for the saving of the soul (spiritual) through Jesus Christ. Only belief in Jesus and following His commandments can one have peace with the true God.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

I think we all know what "Crusading inside Jesus" means:D :D :D :jaw-dropp :D :D !!!

[Hokulele]

And wouldn't it be Filipino anyway?

- edit: Google shows me he spells it correctly on his Geocities page.


Yes, most sources spell it Filipino. However, most (all?) languages used in the Phillippines pronounce "f" as "p", so Pilipino would be the actual phonetic spelling. When you overhear Filipinos at a fast food joint, it comes out like, "I would like to order prench pries and a pruit punch."

[fromdownunder]

The stamps of the Phillippines were originally described as such - Phillippines . This was later changed to Pilipinas, although to confuse the issue more, some were issued as Filipinas.

Not sure what this adds to the discussion, except to provide evidence that I am a stamp collector.

Norm

[UnrepentantSinner]

Human babies (plural) will be born with three eyes. At least, one baby will be born with horns. Human being will give birth to kitten, and cat will give birth to human being. (There may be more than one case of each of these horns, cat and kitten.)

Please seek professional help. And I don't mean an accountant or priest, I mean a psychologist or or psychiatrist.

The stamps of the Phillippines were originally described as such - Phillippines . This was later changed to Pilipinas, although to confuse the issue more, some were issued as Filipinas.

Not sure what this adds to the discussion, except to provide evidence that I am a stamp collector.

And that you're a nerd. ;) BTW, are you fromdownunder from CF?

[fromdownunder]

And that you're a nerd. ;)

Am Not! :p


BTW, are you fromdownunder from CF?

Reference: Highlander

Norm

[Elizabeth I]

Dear Foster Zygote and Fellow Forumers,



There may have been cases before 1979 but it is not as rampant (or in epidemic proportion) as it is now. What are the causes of insanity?

The killing of John Lennon in 1980, the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan in 1981, the intrusion into the bedroom of Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace by madmen show that there is a problem of mental disorder. These prominent personalities underline that the problem of insanity was real and prevalent. If the attacks by madmen happened to an ordinary person, will they make into the international headlines? Most likely not. They would have been ignored. But if it involves prominent people like the above and mass and indiscriminate killings which is extraordinary, then it could, like the "Hamburger Massacre", "Dunblane Massacre", "Port Arthur Massacre", and now, "Virginia Tech Massacre".




Sorry but I thought the word "assassination" was the plot. I did not know that assassination includes the successful killing "by sudden or secret, ple-planned attack, esp. for political or religious reasons" (The Pocket Macquarie Dictionary).




How many people have mental problems? Did you know that there is a lot of them? Even depression is considered as a mental problem. There are even new unnamed kinds of mental disorders never heard of before. Is ADHD one?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

Okay, I can't take this...

Charles Whitman, University of Texas Bell Tower, 16 dead, 1966

Charles Manson, Sharon Tate murders, 5 dead, 1969

Charles Starkweather, 11 dead, executed 1959

John Wayne Gacy, 33 dead, 1972-1978

Billy the Kid, 21 dead, died 1881

[UnrepentantSinner]

Reference: Highlander

Nerd!

(there can be only one ;))

[The Grave]

To Mrs. PeaceCrusader...Interesting that you believe in "an eternal soul" when that would contravene the 2nd law of thermodynamics. As for living with the insane...we are surrounded by millions of them in the form of 'faithers'. Oh and you can tape a spirit talking...oooo! Wow! Get a life!

Griff...

[The Grave]

Oh nearly forgot, when you can produce a document with the exact time and date of an event, the names of assailants and the details of the event; in this case the murder of nice people by some one who is self obsessed...sounds like a faither...oh yes, didn't he identify himself with Himself, then we will take notice of your 'so-called' predictions. If relativity says Mercury we be just visible on May 8th at 2 pm [Central], you can trust it and set your watch by it. Compare this with your vague imaginings and ego-centric attachments.

Nuff said...Griff...

[Kopji]

You are preaching to mostly atheists here, so you better get your Bible references correct because we tend to be a skeptical bunch.

John 15:13
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.



In John 15:13, Jesus promised that He would send the Holy Spirit "to tell us of things to come". This means that the Holy Spirit will prophesy. This makes the Holy Spirit a prophet. Jesus also called the Holy Spirit as the Helper, Comforter, Paraclete, and Spirit of Truth.
http://www.geocities.com/peacecrusader888/prophecyidx.htm

Maybe you had another passage in mind? You seem to go to a lot of trouble to build on John 15:13 but it doesn't say what you describe. You even quoted it.

I Googled the phrase "to tell us of things to come" and I only get you, Peacecrusader pretending to know Bible passages.

How about it? Care to explain your false teaching of what the Bible says?

[SezMe]

I dream of the day when forum goers reply to messages like this with a "LOL," and then stop egging on the weirdo.

Not me. This is pure fun. I say egg the idiot on for all its worth.

[fuelair]

Not me. This is pure fun. I say egg the idiot on for all its worth.
Drop the "on" and you have it dead center!!!:D

[Klaymore]

Mark David Chapman - I'm sorry, reading "Catcher" 541 times and then capping ONE aging hippie might make someone seem cool and deep to their junior college buddies, but a) getting caught, b) surviving, and most importantly c) not doing anything remotely interesting for the rest of the century irrevocably recinds his "madman" cred. Maybe if he shoved pages from "Catcher" into every orifice of his cell-mate's corpse while crying the lyrics to "Yellow Submarine", I could throw you a bone, but no.

Not to mention that he passed up a clean shot at Yoko Ono!

[RandFan]

Not to mention that he passed up a clean shot at Yoko Ono!:D Oh man!

[ReligionStudent]

Dear Foster Zygote and Fellow Forumers,



There may have been cases before 1979 but it is not as rampant (or in epidemic proportion) as it is now. What are the causes of insanity?God, I am sure RFK, JFK, MLK, and all those Jews in Europe (along with various peoples in the rest of the world who suffered under genacidal regimes before 1979) are glad to hear this.

The killing of John Lennon in 1980, the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan in 1981, the intrusion into the bedroom of Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace by madmen show that there is a problem of mental disorder. These prominent personalities underline that the problem of insanity was real and prevalent. If the attacks by madmen happened to an ordinary person, will they make into the international headlines? Most likely not. They would have been ignored. But if it involves prominent people like the above and mass and indiscriminate killings which is extraordinary, then it could, like the "Hamburger Massacre", "Dunblane Massacre", "Port Arthur Massacre", and now, "Virginia Tech Massacre". Nope no mass killings before 1979 (come on, put those small pox blankets away man) And no killings of famous people either (Its always fun to see a play after the Civil War)




Sorry but I thought the word "assassination" was the plot. I did not know that assassination includes the successful killing "by sudden or secret, ple-planned attack, esp. for political or religious reasons" (The Pocket Macquarie Dictionary).




How many people have mental problems? Did you know that there is a lot of them? Even depression is considered as a mental problem. There are even new unnamed kinds of mental disorders never heard of before. Is ADHD one?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

Anyway, my point, as I hope my comments make clear, is that you are just cherry picking events to make your prophesy seem real, but such events happen outside the scope of your prophesy, and so frequent in fact that it could be applied at any time. You don't have a prophesy, you have a statement of the obvious.

[ReligionStudent]

Not to mention that he passed up a clean shot at Yoko Ono!

I remember hearing a quote once to the effect that the world is a really messed up place when someone shoots Lenon but leaves Yoko. It may be true.

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Bruto and Fellow Forumers,

Put aside for a moment the obvious problems with the provenance of the prophecy, and even the question of what qualifies a guess of something so vague and obvious to be called a prophecy.

Let's stipulate for a moment that it really is a prophecy. So what? What use is a prophecy that doesn't actually provide information? Even if you could prove in some way that the prophecy is real, all you'd really succeed in doing is discrediting prophecy as worthless. We'd be better off ignoring it anyway.

What I posted is really one of the 19 prophecies that a holy spirit, who we call Ama, revealed on October 19, 1979. What is the purpose of a prophecy? From 1 Corinthians 14:3: “But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.” To edify is to “build up or increase the faith, morality, etc. of.” To exhort is “to urge, advise, or ask (someone) urgently.” To comfort is to “lighten the sorrow or anxiety of (someone); console.” (The Pocket Macquarie Dictionary).

This is what the spirit said in 1989 when He read the Record of Life for 1990: “I am reading this not to frighten you. I am reading this so that you can take care. I am reading this not to give fear in your heart and mind. I am reading this so that you will become steadfast. I am reading this to strengthen your spirit because I want you to know all of these.” Then, He gave this prayer: “My God, my God, forgive us our sins. Keep us away from any calamity or disaster that may come. My God, my God, all the strength is with you. All the strength is with you so that we will be comforted. Amen.”

As I have said, I am just an echo—a sounding board—of the spirit. I am just sharing with you what I heard and learned from Him. I leave the decision to you whether you will believe or not.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Norm and Fellow Forumers,

From the OP:

“Disease of the brain, or insanity, will prevail in 1980, 1981 until 1988, especially in the three superpower countries.”

Since evidence has now been provided that this would continue past 1988, I genuinely believe that the OP is correct, and offer the following evidence, that insanity has occured in recent times.

This insanity was the people who approved of, and spent hundreds of millions of dollars on:

Catwoman
Supeman Returns

Thank you PeaceCrusader on your incredible prediction for explaining how these dogs were actually written, funded and released.

I am not the author of the prophecy. I am just an echo, a sounding board, of what the spirit we talk to said.

Do you think it is because of "Catwoman" and "Superman Returns" that cause insanity? How about illegal drugs? How about people's waning regard for the kingdom of God? No care for his fellowmen. Self-centered activities. Personal satisfaction.

Oh, also thanks to your incredibly vague prediction that did not even allow anybody to be warned about them you [RULE 8]. BTW, here is my prediction for the rest of this year:

"There will be a plane accident, and people will be killed". You may worship me at your leisure, you [RULE 8]. Cash would be nice!

When will it happen? The date and time, please. Where will it happen? You just said an event. Aren't these what you require to believe?

I am editing this to add, and to be perfectly honest, if it gets me a warning, a suspension, or a ban, I do not care. I am angry about all the crap that is going around the internet about this very sad event.

Anybody who uses such a tragic occasion to push a personal useless pointless and self centred agenda is as sick as the person who perpertrated the event in the first place. What was the first thing you thought of PeaceCrusader? Were you sorry for the victims? Their families and friends? The tens of thousands of others who were personally directly affected by this, and the millions who were indirectly affected?

Of course not! Your obvious first thoughts were "how can I use this to promote my cause?" You make me sick.

Norm

What was the first thing I thought of? The prophecy of the spirit. It had been fulfilled again.

Now, people have to learn to come back to God to know how to love their fellowmen. He who does not love his fellowmen does not love God. Jesus commanded us to love one another.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[wahrheit]

Then, He gave this prayer: “My God, my God, forgive us our sins. Keep us away from any calamity or disaster that may come. My God, my God, all the strength is with you. All the strength is with you so that we will be comforted. Amen.”

So? Apparently, both your god and your holy spirit failed miserably and the prayer was completely worthless; as you yourself have pointed out various "calamities" and "disasters".

Needless to say that the rest of your post/prophecy is nothing but vague platitudes every fortune teller reading tea leaves can come up with.

[wahrheit]

Now, people have to learn to come back to God to know how to love their fellowmen.

I know perfectly well how to love my fellowmen*, without worshipping your god. And if the bible is the word of your god, he seems to be a teacher of cruelty and vengeance, not love.

* Please, no comments from fellow forumites. :D

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear UnrepentantSinner and Quinn and Fellow Forumers,

So what you're saying is, he got it wrong the first time. Either that, or he lied to you. So which was it? Was Jesus a screwup, or a liar? Either way, doesn't sound much like an omniscient, omnibenevolent deity to me.

I know this is pedantry to the point if inaneness, but note that he's not claiming to get the prophecy from Jesus, but from Ama, which is God the Father. I think he's crazy, but lets at least give the guy enough respect to quote him properly or argue against what he's actually claiming.

Ama is a spirit which in Pilipino means God the Father. Did you know that Ama is Jesus Christ Himself, now as a spirit? It took me eleven years (1983-1994) before I accepted that the spirit we talk to is Jesus Christ. So I do not expect you to believe straight away that Ama is Jesus Christ.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[wahrheit]

So I do not expect you to believe straight away that Ama is Jesus Christ.

I don't want to dash your hopes, but you might consider the possibility that nobody here will ever believe that Ama codswallop.

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Simon Dalton and Fellow Forumers,

Among the prophecies that Ama gave to us are:Human babies (plural) will be born with three eyes. At least, one baby will be born with horns.
A deformed baby will be born

You call that deformed? The third eye, I believe, will be well-formed and functional. This is a warning sign and so are the prophecies that He revealed.

Human being will give birth to kitten, and cat will give birth to human being. (There may be more than one case of each of these horns, cat and kitten.)
At long last we will be able to show the ID'ers - "look a chicken can become a cow"
My father has kittens all the time.

Expect these. They will happen during your lifetime. You will see these.

These were revealed to us in early 1990s but more than a decade has passed and I have not seen their fulfillment yet, but I firmly believe that they will happen--in His time. These are impossible to men but not to God--the true God. Can false gods give such prophecies? Do they have the power to make prophecies like these to happen?
Don't worry. When you are told by Ama that they have come true you will believe...or else you go to hell.

What do you think will happen to those who do not believe? Those who ignore the warnings? Those who ignore the prophecies? Where will their soul go?

Please read my reply to Bruto regarding prophecies and what they are for. Please also read 1 Corinthians 14:3 of the Holy Bible.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[Tirdun]

I've gotten fortune cookies with tighter predictions than this.

Here's one.
From now until April 2008 there will be 30+ earthquakes of 6.0 magnitude or higher near the Pacific Ocean.

There. Tighter timeframe by a factor of 8 (or 27, if you go from 1980 to 2007), smaller area of effect, vastly more specific event prediction.

My prediction is a few orders of magnitude more specific than yours.

[Mashuna]

Dear Filippo Lippi and Fellow Forumers,

The World War III prophecy has some specificity in it. The place where it will all start is very specific--Spratly Islands--of all places in this world. Why Spratly Islands? What is its significance? Why not Iraq? Or Iran?


This is specific, you are right. However, as it hasn't happened, not really of much use at the moment.

Who would think that World War I would be triggered by the assassination of the Austrian archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in the Balkans on June 28, 1914?

Are you saying this was prophesised by Ama? If not, then I have no idea why you've included it here.

So with regards to the prophecy of insanity, we just have to be prepared and pray that we be spared by the senseless acts of these insane people. Ama advised us that one way to avoid acts such as these is to remain in the safety of our homes. If before we like to gallivant, we change that now.

So you're claiming that the Virginia Tech shootings were prophesised, and that the best way to avoid these random acts of violence is to stay at home. Telling people that the way to avoid being shot is not go to school. Possibly the most useless bit of advice I've ever heard.

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Mashuna and Fellow Forumers,

The World War III prophecy has some specificity in it. The place where it will all start is very specific--Spratly Islands--of all places in this world. Why Spratly Islands? What is its significance? Why not Iraq? Or Iran?
This is specific, you are right. However, as it hasn't happened, not really of much use at the moment.

Please read what I quoted to Bruto from the Holy Bible (1 Corinthians 14:3) about prophecy. The prophecy is to edify, to exhort, and to comfort. You know that the prophecy will come so you can prepare.

Who would think that World War I would be triggered by the assassination of the Austrian archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo in the Balkans on June 28, 1914?
Are you saying this was prophesised by Ama? If not, then I have no idea why you've included it here.

No, I did not hear Ama gave any prophecy regarding World War I. I cited that because that World War was triggered by an event in a not-so-hot area that we may say, an unlikely place.

I know WWIII will be triggered at the Spratly Islands. What event? How? When? I do not know. I just hope and pray to the true God to spare me from this chaotic war.

So with regards to the prophecy of insanity, we just have to be prepared and pray that we be spared by the senseless acts of these insane people. Ama advised us that one way to avoid acts such as these is to remain in the safety of our homes. If before we like to gallivant, we change that now.

So you're claiming that the Virginia Tech shootings were prophesised, and that the best way to avoid these random acts of violence is to stay at home. Telling people that the way to avoid being shot is not go to school. Possibly the most useless bit of advice I've ever heard.

Did you know that if only you have faith in God and pray that you be spared from these insane people, God take you out at that wrong place and wrong time? For example, you may become sick that you did not have to attend your classes, or someone in the family had an accident that you have to leave school and go home, etc.

Did you know that in the Port Arthur Massacre in 1996, the people killed were tourists who sought the tranquility of the place as a refuge from the pressures of modern life only to find their tragic end there?

These insane people may be in your neighborhood, in the shopping center, in the tourist areas, in school, etc. Seek God's protection. He said that we seek first the kingdom of God and everything will be given unto us so that our joy may be full.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

[Macoy]

Dear Simon Dalton and Fellow Forumers...

You call that deformed? The third eye, I believe, will be well-formed and functional. This is a warning sign and so are the prophecies that He revealed.
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where will this eye be located? if it were to be in the back of the head, it could be useful for spotting the righteous masses creeping up behind you.

a clear example of evolution in action.

[ReligionStudent]

No, I did not hear Ama gave any prophecy regarding World War I. I cited that because that World War was triggered by an event in a not-so-hot area that we may say, an unlikely place. Its really amazing how you claim it was so unlikely, but when I was in high school US history, we discused the varried and many causes leading up to it, which made it very likely. I think you claim this without any solid reason.

[bruto]

Dear Bruto and Fellow Forumers,



What I posted is really one of the 19 prophecies that a holy spirit, who we call Ama, revealed on October 19, 1979. What is the purpose of a prophecy? From 1 Corinthians 14:3: “But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.” To edify is to “build up or increase the faith, morality, etc. of.” To exhort is “to urge, advise, or ask (someone) urgently.” To comfort is to “lighten the sorrow or anxiety of (someone); console.” (The Pocket Macquarie Dictionary).

This is what the spirit said in 1989 when He read the Record of Life for 1990: “I am reading this not to frighten you. I am reading this so that you can take care. I am reading this not to give fear in your heart and mind. I am reading this so that you will become steadfast. I am reading this to strengthen your spirit because I want you to know all of these.” Then, He gave this prayer: “My God, my God, forgive us our sins. Keep us away from any calamity or disaster that may come. My God, my God, all the strength is with you. All the strength is with you so that we will be comforted. Amen.”

As I have said, I am just an echo—a sounding board—of the spirit. I am just sharing with you what I heard and learned from Him. I leave the decision to you whether you will believe or not.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

Nonetheless, if this nonsense is the best a prophet can come up with, then it's not good enough; it fails in its purpose if it is meant to keep us away from calamity or disaster, and the comfort or faith it gives is inversely proportional to the amount of thought one gives its content. To edify is to instruct and bushwit like this does not even come close. True or false, real or fraudulent, it's still junk. I suppose since the world is full of incompetence in every other line of work, we should not be surprised to find an incompetent prophet as well. This one's certainly a dud, and you should be ashamed of yourself for opportunistically using the VT massacre to push this crap on us.

[Piscivore]

Not to mention that he passed up a clean shot at Yoko Ono!

Dude, if he had shot Yoko that would have irrevocably proved his capacity to use reason.

[Moochie]

Out of the whole of the human population you cite 7 examples spread over 27 years. Not much of an epidemic of madness is it?

Hmm... PC omits himself as part of the "epidemic," I feel...

M.

[The Darkest One]

How many people have mental problems? Did you know that there is a lot of them?
Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

After reading this thread, I'd say one more than I knew of yesterday.

[Moochie]

The killing of John Lennon in 1980, the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan in 1981, the intrusion into the bedroom of Queen Elizabeth II at Buckingham Palace by madmen show that there is a problem of mental disorder.

These prominent personalities underline that the problem of insanity was real and prevalent. If the attacks by madmen happened to an ordinary person, will they make into the international headlines? Most likely not. They would have been ignored. But if it involves prominent people like the above and mass and indiscriminate killings which is extraordinary, then it could, like the "Hamburger Massacre", "Dunblane Massacre", "Port Arthur Massacre", and now, "Virginia Tech Massacre".


:searghhhh:


Um, er, you seem to have forgotten the famous Alice's Restaurant Massacre.

M.

[Piscivore]

I notice he doesn't care to use Jim Jones, or Koresh, or Applewhite & Nettles, or DiMambro, or Kony in his list of "madmen".

[Tanstaafl]

:searghhhh:


Um, er, you seem to have forgotten the famous Alice's Restaurant Massacre.

M.





You mean the one with the 27 color 8 by 10 photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each one?

All for a pile of garbage, which is not unlike this thread...

[Moochie]

You mean the one with the 27 color 8 by 10 photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back explaining each one?

All for a pile of garbage, which is not unlike this thread...


Yeah, that's the one! I'm still quaking...

I guess PC and his oracle do miss some now and then.

M.

[Oualawouzou]

Did you know that if only you have faith in God and pray that you be spared from these insane people, God take you out at that wrong place and wrong time? For example, you may become sick that you did not have to attend your classes, or someone in the family had an accident that you have to leave school and go home, etc.
Summary: God's a dick.

[ReligionStudent]

Summary: God's a dick.

That goes pretty strongly against DJJ's theory that god's a woman.

[Moochie]

That goes pretty strongly against DJJ's theory that god's a woman.

Isn't the clitoris a sort-of mini-dick?

M.

[Oualawouzou]

FutaGod FTW!

[apathetic medic]

Dear Mashuna and Fellow Forumers,




[quote]Did you know that if only you have faith in God and pray that you be spared from these insane people, God take you out at that wrong place and wrong time? For example, you may become sick that you did not have to attend your classes, or someone in the family had an accident that you have to leave school and go home, etc.

This statement implies that the faithful who prayed were spared the horror of the VT killings. There is no evidence to support this contention.

These insane people may be in your neighborhood, in the shopping center, in the tourist areas, in school, etc. Seek God's protection. He said that we seek first the kingdom of God and everything will be given unto us so that our joy may be full.

The pious families of those slain and wounded have been 'given' sorrow and loss beyond imagining. This hardly qualifies as being full of joy.

[Beleth]

Did you know that if only you have faith in God and pray that you be spared from these insane people, God take you out at that wrong place and wrong time? For example, you may become sick that you did not have to attend your classes, or someone in the family had an accident that you have to leave school and go home, etc.
Sounds pretty inefficient to me. All God would have to do is take out that one insane guy, and everyone else would be spared!

Did you know that in the Port Arthur Massacre in 1996, the people killed were tourists who sought the tranquility of the place as a refuge from the pressures of modern life only to find their tragic end there?Did you know that in the Glina Church Massacre (http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/ww2/Glina-intro.html) in 1941, the people killed were Christians who sought the tranquility of the church as a refuge from the Nazis only to find their tragic end there?

Seek God's protection.Like the folks in Glina did?

[Tanstaafl]

It seems to me that God offers protection much like the Mafia does.

But the mafia seems much more effective fulfilling their end of the bargain.

[Wat Tyler]

Dear Mashuna and Fellow Forumers,

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Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

Dear Sir,
the events and warnings that you claim to receive in 'prophecy' are so vague and general (they describe in very general terms events that occur continuously throughout human society everywhere) as to be utterly meaningless.

The events that you cite as 'proofs' of the validity of this 'prophecy' are, as others have already posted, merely examples of events that have been 'cherry-picked' to reinforce the claimed 'validity' of the 'prophecy'.

They are as (in)valid as my claiming that there are no tigers in my garden because I always wear my 'lucky pants' - I can claim that the fact that there are no tigers in my garden 'proves' the tiger-repellent powers of my lucky pants, although most folks would put the lack of tigers in my garden down to the fact that I live in England.

In my opinion, either you are being duped by a charlatan, are yourself one, or 'have some issues around sanity'.

In short, please put down the pipe and step away from the stash and/or seek professional psychiatric help.

[fromdownunder]

Dear Norm and Fellow Forumers,

I am not the author of the prophecy. I am just an echo, a sounding board, of what the spirit we talk to said.

Do you think it is because of "Catwoman" and "Superman Returns" that cause insanity? How about illegal drugs? How about people's waning regard for the kingdom of God? No care for his fellowmen. Self-centered activities. Personal satisfaction.

You misread what I wrote. The movies I quoted were insanity, not the cause of it. It's called sarcasm.

When will it happen? The date and time, please. Where will it happen? You just said an event. Aren't these what you require to believe?

Yes, but you do not, otherwise you would never have argued that a prophesy which clearly, according to you, stated that insanity would occur until 1988 would use an event of 2007 as a fulfillment of that prophesy.

What was the first thing I thought of? The prophecy of the spirit. It had been fulfilled again.

Well, at least you are honest, but that simply provides more evidence that you are a heartless prick.

Norm

[apathetic medic]

It seems to me that God offers protection much like the Mafia does.

But the mafia seems much more effective fulfilling their end of the bargain.

WELL SAID!