John Kerry Regarding WTC7

[The Doc]

Senator John Kerry was questioned about the collapse of WTC Building 7 during an appearance at Book People in Austin, Texas.

Kerry responded:
I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things-- that they did it in a controlled fashion.

Here is the video.
KLnaogsm60A

I think he's referring to WTC6 to be honest. Doesn't make much sense that he knew WTC7 was a controlled demolition and didn't bring it up in the 04 election. I am guessing someone representing Kerry will have to clear this up within a few days.

[NickUK]

and they're in a frenzy over at the nursery (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7987), bless their little cotton socks.

[The Doc]

Anyone know what he's referring to by "the wall"?

[Undesired Walrus]

For the last time! Larry Silverstein would not admit on live television that he ordered a destruction of a building! Just how idiotic are these people?

[ref]

For the last time! Larry Silverstein would not admit on live television that he ordered a destruction of a building! Just how idiotic are these people?

Silverstein quote was not live.

[Comsat Angel]

For the last time! Larry Silverstein would not admit on live television that he ordered a destruction of a building! Just how idiotic are these people?

On a scale of one to ten?
Eleven.

[NickUK]

Well, as part of the ritual infighting that our slow cousins enjoy whenever a thread goes beyond 7 posts, JTGOB over at LCF seems to think it's likely he's talking about this one

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11019462c6f2808861.jpg

which seems reasonable enough to me. (link to post (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7987&view=findpost&p=13272485))

[The Doc]

The question asker claims Silverstein made $5 billion off 9/11. How can people who call themselves "truth seekers" lie so blatantly and continue to call themselves that.

Also to note is the fact that Kerry (and he admits this) has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

[The Doc]

Well, as part of the ritual infighting that our slow cousins enjoy whenever a thread goes beyond 7 posts, JTGOB over at LCF seems to think it's likely he's talking about this one

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11019462c6f2808861.jpg

which seems reasonable enough to me. (link to post (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7987&view=findpost&p=13272485))

That would make sense in terms of Kerry's reference to "the wall".

[Undesired Walrus]

Silverstein quote was not live.

Oh yeah. That makes it even more idiotic. They can pull off the grandest conspiracy of all time but they cannot stop a PBS show from putting on a show.

[boloboffin]

Yes, it's clear from the context that John Kerry has not been reading his Skull and Bones alumni newsletters hasn't a clue what the questioner is referring to. I'd lay odds that Kerry was accepting the report of controlled demolition from the questioner at face value.

[uk_dave]

My mate LUCUS has gone into CAPS LOCK overdrive.

I guess he's given up any hope of ever becoming an LCF mod now.:D

[MG1962]

Anyone know what he's referring to by "the wall"?


I cant watch the video, but may I venture a guess he is talking about something underground. I recall there was fear of flooding etc because the skirting dam had been breached

[sleahead]

This is such a big lie, that means there are lies piled on top of lies on top of lies on top of lies

It is hard to keep track. He slipped up and that's the way I am marketing it

With the use of the word marketing, Lucus gives the game away about the true nature of 9/11 conspiracy theories for many of those involved - a product to be marketed. Nice slip up, Lucus!

[Architect]

With the use of the word marketing, Lucus gives the game away about the true nature of 9/11 conspiracy theories for many of those involved - a product to be marketed. Nice slip up, Lucus!

Aha, Yes. It seems to me that the true conspiracy behind 9/11 today is a conspiracy by Fletzer and others to make lots of money.




(Fellow Brits will note the "In my opinion", "Have I Got News for You" caveat there. :) )

[Undesired Walrus]

Aha, Yes. It seems to me that the true conspiracy behind 9/11 today is a conspiracy by Fletzer and others to make lots of money.




(Fellow Brits will note the "In my opinion", "Have I Got News for You" caveat there. :) ) Allegedly

[Architect]

Allegedly



Ach soddit.

In my professional opinion the NIST report adequately describes the principal reasons behind the collapse of WTC1 and WTC2, based upon an acceptably thorough analysis of the surviving evidence. This is in stark contrast to the principal proponents of alternative conspiracy theories, notably the likes of Loose Change, Fetzer, Jones, and Griffin, who - in my informed view - show a startling failure to address the underlying issues in a comprehensive, rounded manner. On this basis I believe them to be either deeply misguided or more interested in personal gain.


Phew. Complaint to the RIBA coming already. I can just feel it.

[ref]

notably the likes of Loose Change, Feltzer, Jones, and Griffiths

That's Fetzer and Griffin :p Sorry, I just had to do that.

[orphia nay]

I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things-- that they did it in a controlled fashion.

I think he's pulling the twoofers' legs.

[Architect]

That's Fetzer and Griffin :p Sorry, I just had to do that.


No, I mean Jimmy Feltzer that drinks down at the Nag's Head and Ray Griffiths, the snooker player. Sheesh, don't u guys know anything????

:p

[ref]

No, I mean Jimmy Feltzer that drinks down at the Nag's Head and Ray Griffiths, the snooker player. Sheesh, don't u guys know anything????

:p


Aa, you meant THOSE guys ;)

[Redtail]

and they're in a frenzy over at the nursery (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7987), bless their little cotton socks.

:eye-poppi... None of them realize that if Kerry was in fact talking about WTC7 then they are back to setting up the charges in a matter of hours instead of months inside a building that is on fire.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

:eye-poppi... None of them realize that if Kerry was in fact talking about WTC7 then they are back to setting up the charges in a matter of hours instead of months inside a building that is on fire.
Some more level-headed individual will eventually point that out and the party will disperse, as usual.

[Unsecured Coins]

John Kerry: WTC Building 7 Was a Controlled Demolition
2004 Presidential Candidate Says Weakened Building Was Brought Down Based on Danger Posed to Surroundings



Aaron Dykes / JonesReport | April 22, 2007

Senator John Kerry was questioned concerning 9/11 during an appearance at Book People in Austin, Texas. Members of Austin 9/11 Truth Now asked Kerry about the officially unexplained collapse of WTC Building 7."

Kerry responded:

"I do know that that wall, I remember, was in danger and I think they made the decision based on the danger that it had in destroying other things-- that they did it in a controlled fashion."

This matches statements by leaseholder Larry Silverstein regarding the collapse of WTC7 where he said. "We've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."

Furthermore, hundreds of police, fireman and other first responders have gone public reporting being informed of Building 7's controlled demolition prior to the building collapse, negating the government's official story that building collapse was due to fire.

Additionally, an EMT, who recently went public only under the name 'Mike', said that hundreds of emergency rescue personnel were told over bullhorns that Building 7 was about to be "pulled" and that a 20 second radio countdown preceded its collapse.

The BBC and CNN also both reported the collapse of Building 7 more than twenty minutes before it actually fell. The misreporting not only stands out as a glaring error-- with the WTC 7 building still visibly standing in the background of the shot, but begs the question: how did BBC, BBC 24 and CNN all know in advance that Building 7 would collapse, when no steel building has ever collapsed from fires alone?

Official reports from both NIST and FEMA state that they cannot explain why Building 7 fell, but maintain that it was related to a terrorist attack on the complex on 9/11. However, the FEMA report concludes that:

"The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. The best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue."

A report by NIST regarding the collapse of Building 7 is officially underway, but such a report has yet to be published.

The 9/11 Commission Report makes no mention of WTC 7 whatsoever.

Senator John Kerry needs to disclose how he "knew" WTC 7 was brought down in a "controlled fashion" and who told him so. The official government story states no reason for the WTC 7 collapse. If Sen. Kerry has other information, he owes it to the victims, the families, who have been repeatedly lied to, and to the country at large to come forward with details that could answer outstanding questions.

Preparing to demolish even a moderate sized building takes weeks of preparation; a building as large as WTC 7-- a 47- story skyscraper-- must have taken at least as long. Therefore, the idea that the building was demolished in response to fires spread from the Twin Towers is not a satisfactory response, as the building could not have been set up for unexpected demolition in only a few hours, much less while fires burned inside.

Kerry was also asked about the research of Dr. Steven Jones, who has tested both samples of steel from the Twin Towers as well as recovered dust, which have both been tested positive for the chemical signature of Thermate, which is used to cut support beams in localized reactions during a controlled demolition.

Kerry stated that he was not aware of the research and is "open to hearing anything based in evidence."

MY NOTE
Kerry also said this - You're the first people anywhere in the country who've brought this to my attention"

*boggle*

[ref]

Furthermore, hundreds of police, fireman and other first responders have gone public reporting being informed of Building 7's controlled demolition prior to the building collapse, negating the government's official story that building collapse was due to fire.


:what: :curse

[Calcas]

Even do over Dylan isn't buying into this crap. He posted at lcf,

"Kerry was simply stammering and said what he could to sound like he knew what they were talking about.

My .02"

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7987&st=150

[Brainster]

I believe by "the wall", Kerry was referring to the slurry wall (aka the Bathtub). Yes, I think he's just talking from the top of his head and doesn't really understand the timing issues (and may be referring to WTC 6 instead of 7).

[Unfit4Command]

Why would John Kerry know about the conspiracy? And since when to people refer to 47 storey buildings as "that wall." He's most likely just talking about the slurry wall (notice the word "wall" there) as others have said, or possibly the perimeter walls (again, "walls") left standing after the Twin Towers collapsed.

[FactCheck]

Anyone know what he's referring to by "the wall"?

I suspect slurry wall. I suspect he saw the "Pull" video which talked about building 6 and the slurry wall. I bet he doesn't even know building 7 exists. That's just my opinion with the little information I have.

[Stankeye]

My question is, If Kerry is in on it too, who do they want to run the government again? Or do they want a "new" form of government?

[Free Thinkr]

MY NOTE
Kerry also said this - You're the first people anywhere in the country who've brought this to my attention"

*boggle*
Good god. I know the Loosers are pathetic, but their garbage has been fairly successfully circulated throughout the media; our politicians are ridiculously incompetent. Him saying he was unaware of it almost vindicates the CTers, who claim that this nefarious conspiracy escaped the attention of "the sheeple."

Edit: yay, 100 posts!

[CHF]

Well keep in mind that Twoofers think "pull" = "blow up"

So I guess it's perfectly logical for "wall" to mean "47 story building."

This Kerry/WTC7 thing reminds me of BBC knew/WTC7, "Mike" and the WTC7 countdown, "pull it" and a whole host of other nonsence that twoofers have stampeded over the cliff in pursuit of.

You'd think their solid evidence would be such that this idiocy wouldn't be needed. After all, WTC7 is their "smoking gun."

[WildCat]

What, the troofers aren't allowed to ask questions to people who don't know what the hell the troofers are even talking about in order to get a plum quote that can be twisted around to make it mean something the speaker didn't even intend? If that happens, they'll have nothing!

[ref]

I was debating this with truthers, and finally I got this.

"Comments by our friend ref made me realize that the perps did in fact realize that WTC 7 was in danger of going down. Why? They knew it was wired with explosives, and that,eventually, the fire would set off the explosives.

It is a simple solution. It solves Silverstein's "pull it" comment. it solves why so many people were predicting WTC 7 was going to collapse, even though fire had never caused any steep-framed buklding to collapse, inclusing WTCs 1 and 2."

They always find a solution. Always.

[R.Mackey]

That's no solution. I'll accept that answer, despite its inherent stupidity...

If that's the Idiot Movement's new position, then they accept that WTC 7's collapse was unintentional. Never mind how those mythical explosives got there or why they didn't actually discharge, or why WTC 7 showed obvious signs of deterioration hours before it fell. What's important is that it removes WTC 7 from being part of Their plans.

One down, four to go.

[uk_dave]

They always find a solution. Always.

Don't be down-hearted.

You corner them with facts and they slip away with fantasy.

But the fantasy gets more and more fantastical as they retreat from reality. So, while it may seem that the 'truthers' will always have a solution for the inconvenient facts you present to them, they simply become all the more absurd. And that does matter, because eventually even the 'truther' itself is going to say "Jeez, do I even believe this **** anymore?"

[HawksFan]

That Lucas character is a bit..on the edge, isn't he?

[slugmancs]

Well keep in mind that Twoofers think "pull" = "blow up"

They are the demolition experts, in demolition it is common to refer to a building as a wall, and of course Kerry was just using a common demolition term "wall."

[uk_dave]

That Lucas character is a bit..on the edge, isn't he?

Just a little. :D

[T.A.M.]

man I thought JDX and ROXDOG were bad, but this LUCAS guy takes the cake as the most childish "Senior" member over at LCF...is he 12 or 14?

This must be that "Luke" guy from the videos is it?

TAM:)

[Disbelief]

man I thought JDX and ROXDOG were bad, but this LUCAS guy takes the cake as the most childish "Senior" member over at LCF...is he 12 or 14?


TAM:)

But it is the guys like him, chucksheen and quest (to name a few) who will basically put the final nail in the coffin of the 9/11 truth movement. If LC 4 (whatever number he wants to call it) gets wide play, people will visit that forum and start reading the stupidity that abounds. Mind-controlled assassins, Illuminati, etc. and people will realize that there are a bunch of kooks who frequent the website.

[Rrramon]

For the last time! Larry Silverstein would not admit on live television that he ordered a destruction of a building! Just how idiotic are these people?

It really is as simple as that. Their claim is that this man flawlessly executed a conspiracy to sacrifice thousands of Americans in order to collect some insurance money and then casually admitted to it on public television. It is so absurd as to be self-refuting.

[uk_dave]

You gotta understand that LUCUS sees himself as a leader.

We've already had his thoughts on how to run the LCF (NO ignore button, that is the road to hell) and how to get your 'truther' video up in the rankings (stay up all night clicking on it) because he has had 150 years in the marketing/webmaster/fearless warrior for truth/BS field and what he says is the 'truth'.

Though he's not going to get his LCF moderator stripe because he's pissed avery off too many times.

[ref]

That's no solution. I'll accept that answer, despite its inherent stupidity...

If that's the Idiot Movement's new position, then they accept that WTC 7's collapse was unintentional. Never mind how those mythical explosives got there or why they didn't actually discharge, or why WTC 7 showed obvious signs of deterioration hours before it fell. What's important is that it removes WTC 7 from being part of Their plans.

One down, four to go.

That's no solution indeed, but somehow they always invent a new explanation, once they are shown how stupid their previous theories were. That's like eternal cycle. This explanation does not make any more sense than the previous ones.

[ref]

And that does matter, because eventually even the 'truther' itself is going to say "Jeez, do I even believe this **** anymore?"

I sure hope so :)

[uk_dave]

That's no solution indeed, but somehow they always invent a new explanation, once they are shown how stupid their previous theories were. That's like eternal cycle. This explanation does not make any more sense than the previous ones.

But it spirals down onto a new level of stupid.

Like Dantes inferno, the explanation for the 911 ct has many levels, from the 'well maybe they could have acted sooner' to the 'reptoids control mankind and are intent on wiping 80% of us out'.

Between those two notions the 'truthers' are in freefall every time you counter them with a rational, sane argument. Every time you point out the flaws in their fantasy, the lower some of them fall.

It starts with just a few being 'in on it' but as you raise the issue of why the opposition party doesn't investigate, why the media doesn't investigate, why the worlds professionals don't investigate, why the UN doesn't investigate, they fall ever closer to the catch all 'It woz the NWO wot dun it' excuse.

But along the way they lose a few believers.

[pomeroo]

Once again, I find myself sputtering in disbelief. Seriously, how can these people feed themselves, dress themselves, and cross streets without getting killed?

Kerry has inside knowledge (and how did he obtain it?) that one of his worst enemies, a man he utterly despises, was complicit in a monstrous and unprecedented crime. He does not use the information to GET HIMSELF ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!

Really, anyone even slightly above the Ace Baker level of rationality has to pause here.

So, against all obstacles the determined fantasists push on. Aha! Kerry didn't know about the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy in 2004; he just learned about it in one of his briefings with Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell. Okay, why didn't he reveal his secret in time for the Democrats to win a hundred seats in Congress last fall?

Duh, he just learned about it the other day.

And why aren't ALL the Democrats demanding that Bush be immediately arrested?

We can't consider the possibility that Kerry was confusing building 6 with building 7. That would fall under the heading of plausible explanations. We certainly can't suppose that Kerry might not have had any idea of what he was talking about: that's far too likely.

It goes on and on, with no light at the end of the tunnel.

[Horatius]

We can't consider the possibility that Kerry was confusing building 6 with building 7. That would fall under the heading of plausible explanations. We certainly can't suppose that Kerry might not have had any idea of what he was talking about: that's far too likely.

It goes on and on, with no light at the end of the tunnel.



It's the twoofer belief that everybody they confront should know about all the details they consider to be important that continues to amaze me. All the significant head-nodding the LCF crew chortles about is clearly a man who has no idea what the questioner is going on about, thinking to himself, "I've got to act cool, because if I look stupid, this will end up on the news tonight." Just smile and nod, and try to come up with something.

Anyone with the DVDs of TAM5 can see me doing the same thing. The difference is, I could just say, "I have no idea what you're on about" (or some such thing), because I knew I wasn't going to be on national TV for looking dumb.

[Gorgonian]

Do you guys giggle a little bit every time you see them casually use "pull" as if it really means what they think it means? I do but then a little vomit follows it up.

[David Wong]

Once again, I find myself sputtering in disbelief. Seriously, how can these people feed themselves, dress themselves, and cross streets without getting killed?

Kerry has inside knowledge (and how did he obtain it?) that one of his worst enemies, a man he utterly despises, was complicit in a monstrous and unprecedented crime. He does not use the information to GET HIMSELF ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!

(snip)


Not to go off-topic, but this is always my response to the "Bush-Diebold hacked voting machines" conspiracy theory. Kerry spends two years and a quarter billion dollars and sacrifices his reputation to try to get into office, and comes within a hair of doing it... then doesn't say a word when "proof" of a Diebold vote machine scam surfaces? You know, the scam that kept him from becoming president? And wasted millions of man-hours of Democrat labor during the campaign? And subverted American democracy forever?

If there was even a whiff of such a scandal, don't you think the DNC would have been screaming bloody murder ten seconds after the last electoral votes were awarded?

I only bring it up because it's sort of the same with all these theories. You have to believe that all of the competition among political factions is just a pro westling-style charade and that the opposing party doesn't really want to get into power at all.

[T.A.M.]

Do you guys giggle a little bit every time you see them casually use "pull" as if it really means what they think it means? I do but then a little vomit follows it up.

I find it hard not to giggle at them all the time. If the subject matter were less important, more trivial, I would have to be hospitalized from my laughter...unfortunately, it is serious, and it is not trival.

TAM:)

[FactCheck]

Once again, I find myself sputtering in disbelief. Seriously, how can these people feed themselves, dress themselves, and cross streets without getting killed?

Kerry has inside knowledge (and how did he obtain it?) that one of his worst enemies, a man he utterly despises, was complicit in a monstrous and unprecedented crime. He does not use the information to GET HIMSELF ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!

Really, anyone even slightly above the Ace Baker level of rationality has to pause here.

So, against all obstacles the determined fantasists push on. Aha! Kerry didn't know about the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy in 2004; he just learned about it in one of his briefings with Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell. Okay, why didn't he reveal his secret in time for the Democrats to win a hundred seats in Congress last fall?

Duh, he just learned about it the other day.

And why aren't ALL the Democrats demanding that Bush be immediately arrested?

We can't consider the possibility that Kerry was confusing building 6 with building 7. That would fall under the heading of plausible explanations. We certainly can't suppose that Kerry might not have had any idea of what he was talking about: that's far too likely.

It goes on and on, with no light at the end of the tunnel.There will be another new absurdity every few weeks to keep their web site traffic up. Trust me on this. This is their profession.

[stateofgrace]

Once again, I find myself sputtering in disbelief. Seriously, how can these people feed themselves, dress themselves, and cross streets without getting killed?

Kerry has inside knowledge (and how did he obtain it?) that one of his worst enemies, a man he utterly despises, was complicit in a monstrous and unprecedented crime. He does not use the information to GET HIMSELF ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!

Really, anyone even slightly above the Ace Baker level of rationality has to pause here.

So, against all obstacles the determined fantasists push on. Aha! Kerry didn't know about the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy in 2004; he just learned about it in one of his briefings with Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell. Okay, why didn't he reveal his secret in time for the Democrats to win a hundred seats in Congress last fall?

Duh, he just learned about it the other day.

And why aren't ALL the Democrats demanding that Bush be immediately arrested?

We can't consider the possibility that Kerry was confusing building 6 with building 7. That would fall under the heading of plausible explanations. We certainly can't suppose that Kerry might not have had any idea of what he was talking about: that's far too likely.

It goes on and on, with no light at the end of the tunnel.

Oh I think Kerry will know all about is soon.

For the Record...
I emailed Kerry - about 20 links to movies/websites/TV Archives too...
so he should have a PHD in 911Truth... so someone nail him the next
time he does a public Q&A...


http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=7987&st=200

Wow, just wow, like you say it goes on and on and on and....................

[pomeroo]

The drooling morons at 911blogger.com are outdoing themselves on this one. They are tumbling ass-over-heels to find some way, some remotely conceivable way, of making Kerry an accomplice to the monstrous crime committed by his hated enemy.

Twoofers spend all their time trying to pound square pegs into round holes, and they never get beyond demanding a bigger hammer.

[Redtail]

For the Record...
I emailed Kerry - about 20 links to movies/websites/TV Archives too...
so he should have a PHD in 911Truth... so someone nail him the next
time he does a public Q&A...

The old joke about "Piled Higher and Deeper" was never more apt.

[Dog Town]

<snip>

Twoofers spend all their time trying to pound square pegs into round holes, and they never get beyond demanding a bigger hammer.

True!

6647

[beachnut]

Kerry missed every single question. Why?

Kerry has no idea there are a bunch of nuts running around. The fact less few of the 9/11 truth movement, they are a few nuts, just a fringe group. If Kerry finds out what they are really saying, he would/should call them idiots. Why? Because truther get upset when you call them liars.

Truthers need to find some facts. So why do we talk about 9/11? Maybe one real person on the fence will fall on the correct side and not fall for lies on 9/11. (not to be confused with the dolts who say they are on the fence and then go truther nuts)

[The Doc]

The truthers will always find a way to match any minor vocal mishap as a way to suit their story. Even if it is logically retarded.

[T.A.M.]

The drooling morons at 911blogger.com are outdoing themselves on this one. They are tumbling ass-over-heels to find some way, some remotely conceivable way, of making Kerry an accomplice to the monstrous crime committed by his hated enemy.

Twoofers spend all their time trying to pound square pegs into round holes, and they never get beyond demanding a bigger hammer.

Well if they cant get the hammer they want, they could merely ask one of us to use our heads. God know we get enough practice with them, doing this...

:hb:

TAM:)

[Totovader]

I can't believe people are trying to make this claim- it doesn't even make ANY SENSE. (Ok, I guess I can believe it).

I got a denier a few minutes ago trying to pass off this garbage:


Toto- John Kerry recently stated that he was aware that WTC7 was intentionally brought down in a controlled fashion. This reminds me again of my challenge answer. Show me a scientific study for the cause of the WTC7 global collapse that does not involve demolitions.

Ugh, how they weasel it in... sometimes all I can do is roll my eyes.


Here is the link to the video of John Kerry stating that WTC7 was brought down in a controlled fashion.

jonesreportdotcom
It has everything to do with the topic, since the official story has always been that NO demolitions were used on 911.

link (http://youtube.com/watch?v=L5zo-0I-SVc)

Just absolutely nuts...

[Totovader]

The truthers will always find a way to match any minor vocal mishap as a way to suit their story. Even if it is logically retarded.

... from the king of vocal mishaps to boot... :)

[T.A.M.]

ummm NIST Interim Report on WTC7. No use of demolitions in that one...explains a very plausible, and most likely theory for collapse of WTC7.

TAM:)

[parky76]

Its amazing to see the 9-11 deniars get their panties all wound up over this useless, meaningless video. now they will be saying:

"john kerry admits wtc 7 was brought down by controlled demo"

oy vey. when they will grow up. their little movement is sooo meaningless.

[The Doc]

Its amazing to see the 9-11 deniars get their panties all wound up over this useless, meaningless video. now they will be saying:

"john kerry admits wtc 7 was brought down by controlled demo"

oy vey. when they will grow up. their little movement is sooo meaningless.

True. The problem with this is the way the fact that they state it as if it is fact. If someone uneducated on the issues hears "Larry Silverstein, the buildings owner, and John Kerry both admit the building was brought down in a controlled demolition"... it's obviously going to sound convincing.

... from the king of vocal mishaps to boot... :)

I'm lost lol. I'd have to surrender and say I don't get it :(

[parky76]

Well, I have faith that someday in the coming years, enough people will have heard about these nutty theories that the most common answer to these question will be

"I've heard about these theories before, and I think they are pretty stupid. And that's all I'm gonna say."

[Totovader]

I'm lost lol. I'd have to surrender and say I don't get it :(

I voted for it before I voted against it.

You know, education — if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.

It's a lot funnier if you get the joke... now I just feel like a politico...

[Totovader]

Well, I have faith that someday in the coming years, enough people will have heard about these nutty theories that the most common answer to these question will be

"I've heard about these theories before, and I think they are pretty stupid. And that's all I'm gonna say."

I find it a little odd that there were so many Deniers at this little book club thing, though...

I bet Kerry was in a situation where he felt like he couldn't just come out and say "I have no idea what you're talking about" (although it looks like he tried).

Amazing how the conspiracists just ignore that part flat out.

[PhantomWolf]

It was a trap plain and simple, look at the question. The questioner started out telling him that WTC 7 was demolished and that Silverstein had already admited it, since by his own admission, that was all Kerry knew about it, why wouldn't he agree with the information he'd just been given.

[boloboffin]

It was a trap plain and simple, look at the question. The questioner started out telling him that WTC 7 was demolished and that Silverstein had already admited it, since by his own admission, that was all Kerry knew about it, why wouldn't he agree with the information he'd just been given.

Exactly.

[CHF]

What I wanna know is.....who's the moron who came up with the WTC7 demolition plan?

First they decide to blow up WTC7 at 5:20pm, when all the dust and smoke has settled.

Then they sent a press release to CNN and BBC annoucing the demolition and both read it too early, giving away the plot.

Then they let Silverstein blow the whole thing on TV!

Then they also decide to let John Kerry in on the secret and he also shoots of his mouth, again exposing the deed.

Have twoofers really thought about just how absurd this scenario is?

I guess not.

[boloboffin]

What I wanna know is.....who's the moron who came up with the WTC7 demolition plan?

First they decide to blow up WTC7 at 5:20pm, when all the dust and smoke has settled.

Then they sent a press release to CNN and BBC annoucing the demolition and both read it too early, again giving away the plot.

Then they let Silverstein blow the whole thing on TV!

Then they also decide to let John Kerry in on the secret and he also shoots of his mouth and annouces the evil deed.

Have twoofers really thought about just how absurd this scenario is?

I guess not.

Plus, I've heard truthers speculate that WTC 7 was the target of United 93. There it was, all wired up, and the passengers tried to take over, necessitating a shoot down over Pennsylvania. Now how do they drop that building?

Well, the obvious time to do it would have been a half hour later, when WTC 1 falls into it. Instead, the goofy maniacal geniuses just sit and twiddle their thumbs for seven hours more.

Literally, the fall of WTC 7 would have been the last bit of business on their plate. And yet they just let that building burn with all that explosive in it. Gah.

[The Doc]

It's a lot funnier if you get the joke... now I just feel like a politico...

Oooooh! I get it now :D Lol.

[HawksFan]

Erm....so does this mean that Kerry was for demolition before he was against demolition? ;)

[chipmunk stew]

Erm....so does this mean that Kerry was for demolition before he was against demolition? ;)
I think it means that if you don't take your studies seriously, you could end up in the Truthiness Movement. :D

[Darth Rotor]

It goes on and on, with no light at the end of the tunnel.
The reason there is no light in their tunnel is the nature of their tunnel. It bends a few times, connects to a smaller tunnel, which also bends, and thence to a stomach, and finally past that to another tunnel that ends up with the rest of their head, closed at the mouth due to the tight fit of that end of the tunnel being wedged into the opening of the tunnel they are trying to gaze through.

Until they pull their heads out, they are consigned to permanent darkness.

How they read computer screens, and type on keyboards, while in this geometry confounds me.

;)

DR

[chipmunk stew]

The reason there is no light in their tunnel is the nature of their tunnel. It bends a few times, connects to a smaller tunnel, which also bends, and thence to a stomach, and finally past that to another tunnel that ends up with the rest of their head, closed at the mouth due to the tight fit of that end of the tunnel being wedged into the opening of the tunnel they are trying to gaze through.

Until they pull their heads out, they are consigned to permanent darkness.

How they read computer screens, and type on keyboards, while in this geometry confounds me.

;)

DR
Ah! So THAT'S what they mean by "rabbit hole"! :yikes:

[HyJinX]

Before the troothers came to be the word "MOVEMENT" meant something very specific to me...and now....

oh...nevermind...it still means the same thing.

[boloboffin]

This whole incident is just more evidence for the underlying Perry Mason nature of the 9/11 truth movement. Yes, I know that reference dates me.

[Brainster]

This whole incident is just more evidence for the underlying Perry Mason nature of the 9/11 truth movement. Yes, I know that reference dates me.

No, it's another "Merry Pason" moment (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/02/case-of-casual-confessor.html).

[boloboffin]

Somebody called John Kerry's office (http://www.marymacelveen.com/blog/_archives/2007/4/24/2901649.html):

On various political lists that I am on, this article has been circulated around in which Senator John F. Kerry stated that Building 7 was deliberately demolished. Instead of taking that article on face value, I went straight to the horse’s mouth so to speak. I called up Senator Kerry’s office and an aid that I spoke with knew of this article being circulated and he flat out told me that Senator Kerry never opined or stated that Building 7 was deliberately demolished. What he said was that “one wall had to be taken down” He never said that the whole building was intentionally brought down by a controlled demolition.



In circulating that verification response coming from the senator’s aid, I invited others to phone the senator’s office to hear exactly what I heard. In fact, should you wish to call the senator’s office, here is the number, (202) 224-2742. In listening to his aid he sounded angry. Who can blame him when the article misconstrued the words of the Senator according to his aid? I also told him of certain articles making their way around the Internet that the government was behind the shootings at Virginia Tech and if you could hear the reaction of Senator Kerry’s aid, he was equally angered over that one.

[Totovader]

Somebody called John Kerry's office (http://www.marymacelveen.com/blog/_archives/2007/4/24/2901649.html):

Finally- now all those Deniers claiming "I believe a US Senator before I believe you!" when dealing with the statements made- will have to concede to that.

[orphia nay]

Somebody called John Kerry's office (http://www.marymacelveen.com/blog/_archives/2007/4/24/2901649.html):

How did I guess it wouldn't have been a truther who called John Kerry? ;)

Thanks for the link and quote, boloboffin.

That's a pretty good article.

Folks, you are free to believe what you will of 9/11 whether or not the government was behind it. But, what I am asking is that any article that comes across your monitor stating that the government was behind 9/11 is to use critical thinking. Do not automatically believe in your angst against this administration that every article that says President Bush did it is true. To be honest, at one time I believed these theories. It was only through critical thinking and searching out what others of a differing opinion had to say that changed my mind. And no, I am not a collaborator, but a writer who has consistently written negative articles targeted at George W. Bush.

[PhantomWolf]

Before the troothers came to be the word "MOVEMENT" meant something very specific to me...and now....

oh...nevermind...it still means the same thing.

I think we should call them the 9/11 Truth Revolution, because all they do is go around in circles.

[MaGZ]

Senator John Kerry was questioned about the collapse of WTC Building 7 during an appearance at Book People in Austin, Texas.

Kerry responded:


Here is the video.
KLnaogsm60A

I think he's referring to WTC6 to be honest. Doesn't make much sense that he knew WTC7 was a controlled demolition and didn't bring it up in the 04 election. I am guessing someone representing Kerry will have to clear this up within a few days.

Your being silly. No Truther would ever ask a question about WTC 6.

[The Doc]

Your being silly. No Truther would ever ask a question about WTC 6.

I'm not saying that they asked the question referring to WTC6 MaGZ. I'm saying that Kerry was most likely referring to WTC6 in his answer by referring to "the wall" that was brought down in a controlled fashion, as that is what happened to WTC6.

[MaGZ]

Why would John Kerry know about the conspiracy? And since when to people refer to 47 storey buildings as "that wall." He's most likely just talking about the slurry wall (notice the word "wall" there) as others have said, or possibly the perimeter walls (again, "walls") left standing after the Twin Towers collapsed.

Why would Kerry have any knowledge of a slurry wall being any kind of a threat? It is obvious firefighters were concerned WTC 7 might collapse.
You are grasping at straws in your explanation.

[apathoid]

Why would Kerry have any knowledge of a slurry wall being any kind of a threat?


How many times have you heard someone refer to a skyscraper, or any building for that matter, as a wall?



It is obvious firefighters were concerned WTC 7 might collapse.


Please think about that.



You are grasping at straws in your explanation.

"...I called up Senator Kerry’s office and an aid that I spoke with knew of this article being circulated and he flat out told me that Senator Kerry never opined or stated that Building 7 was deliberately demolished. What he said was that “one wall had to be taken down” He never said that the whole building was intentionally brought down by a controlled demolition.."


You were saying??

[MaGZ]

I'm not saying that they asked the question referring to WTC6 MaGZ. I'm saying that Kerry was most likely referring to WTC6 in his answer by referring to "the wall" that was brought down in a controlled fashion, as that is what happened to WTC6.

Do you really think Kerry knew which building was WTC 6 or that a team pulled the building over?

And the "pulling" of WTC 6, wasn't that days after 9/11? On the afternoon of 9/11 WTC 6 was still burning so they could not haved pull the building over.

Is the "wall" you are referring to one of the sides of WTC 1 that reminded after the collapse?

Did this "wall" fall on it’s own, and if not what day was it pulled down?

[MaGZ]

How many times have you heard someone refer to a skyscraper, or any building for that matter, as a wall?





Please think about that.





"...I called up Senator Kerry’s office and an aid that I spoke with knew of this article being circulated and he flat out told me that Senator Kerry never opined or stated that Building 7 was deliberately demolished. What he said was that “one wall had to be taken down” He never said that the whole building was intentionally brought down by a controlled demolition.."


You were saying??

So your interpretation of the statement is Kerry was saying one wall of WTC 7 had to be taken down?

[The Doc]

Do you really think Kerry knew which building was WTC 6 or that a team pulled the building over?

And the "pulling" of WTC 6, wasn't that days after 9/11? On the afternoon of 9/11 WTC 6 was still burning so they could not haved pull the building over.

Is the "wall" you are referring to one of the sides of WTC 1 that reminded after the collapse?

Did this "wall" fall on it’s own, and if not what day was it pulled down?

You are missing my point MaGZ.

I'm saying that Kerry probably answered in reference to WTC6 in his obviously confused/uneducated answer. I doubt he would have known that WTC6 (specifically) was demolished. He probably knew that a few of the buildings had to be brought down in a controlled fashion, and assumed WTC7 was one of them.

[nicepants]

It's funny, that to a truther, any statement made by any person that is consistent with their theory is "proof".

I.e. "pull it", etc

Statements made to the contrary are meaningless, even when accompanied by physical evidence.

The double standard is astounding.

[beachnut]

So your interpretation of the statement is Kerry was saying one wall of WTC 7 had to be taken down?
You must learn to comprehend.

Kerry said he does not know. He does not know. Which part of not knowing do you not understand. Kerry said he does not have knowledge, he talked about thinking he heard something about a wall had to be taken down for safety. He is not talking about WTC7, because he also tells you he does not know.

You must listen better, and comprehend. Your grades will go up. Also you will get a lot smarter if you stop going to the NeoNAZI sites.

[VespaGuy]

Here's another truther's take on the Kerry quote at LCF

When they caption him with the Red/White text ribbon, they leave out the words "I think" when he said "...that wall was in danger and I think they made a decision based on..."

I can just see that is something somebody will turn into a strawman later to try and discredit the whole thing. I wouldn't be surprised if that was 'planted' there by somebody to 'discover' later just for that purpose. Looks like I beat them to it.

Yup. The very same video that CTs are claiming shows Kerry admited that WTC7 was a CD, was actually planted for the sole purpose of actually discrediting the Cts. These people actually believe this? The CT claims get nuttier and nuttier with each passing day.