Stephen Jones has Gone off the Deep End

[Arus808]

seriously, the new article about confirming the existence of thermite:

http://stopthelie.com/the_evidence_is_in.html


Professor Steven Jones presenting his X-ray spectrometry evidence from samples taken at the WTC site. They dramatically show a PERFECT MATCH for the highly specialized compound "thermate" (used for cutting through steel) found in the WTC debris. (And no, thermate was NOT used during the clean up operation...this stuff was in the building, and ignited, prior to collapse.) If you're new to this information, you might want to check out "Molten Metal (http://stopthelie.com/molten_steel.html)" and "Fire Initiated Collapse - Primary Arguments Against (http://stopthelie.com/fire_initiated_collapse.html#FireInitiatedCollapse )"

[uk_dave]

Steve has Thermite.... but we have Kryptonite!!

Kryptonite is no longer just the stuff of fiction feared by caped superheroes.

A new mineral matching its unique chemistry - as described in the film Superman Returns - has been identified in a mine in Serbia.

According to movie and comic-book storylines, kryptonite is supposed to sap Superman's powers whenever he is exposed to its large green crystals.

The real mineral is white and harmless, says Dr Chris Stanley, a mineralogist at London's Natural History Museum.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6584229.stm

[Gravy]

Stephen Jones has Gone off the Deep EndAgain? I don't remember him climbing out of the pool.

[PhantomWolf]

Well though it's not possible to read the element's noted on the plot, I could spot several differences just by what he showed, in fact I'd have got them around the wrong way becayse the Thermate signature has several peaks that don't appear in the WTC dust spectrum. Sulphur, Copper, Iron and Aluminuim are all very common elements in the WTC and Managnese is used in structural steel as a hardening element.

[Arus808]

Again? I don't remember him climbing out of the pool.

the video in question:

Bsp3DPTmiN0

lists the "ingreidents" that we all know of, but "forgets" to include Barium Nitrate. funny, you want to prove that thermate was involved, but dont test for something that makes up 30% of it?

That's like stating, dont add sugar to your cookie dough.

[WildCat]

Jones has proven beyond doubt that the WTC contained iron, aluminum, and sulphur. I am shocked!

[Totovader]

Jones has proven beyond doubt that the WTC contained iron, aluminum, and sulphur. I am shocked!

That should put an end to the no-building-ers...

Just when they were making headway, too!

[defaultdotxbe]

the video in question:

Bsp3DPTmiN0

lists the "ingreidents" that we all know of, but "forgets" to include Barium Nitrate. funny, you want to prove that thermate was involved, but dont test for something that makes up 30% of it?

That's like stating, dont add sugar to your cookie dough.
i think the fact that he lists ingredients speak for itself

he shouldnt be looking for ingredients, but the products, unless his goal is to show thermate was in the towers, but wasnt ignited because they collapsed on their own

[Gravy]

the video in question:

Bsp3DPTmiN0

lists the "ingreidents" that we all know of, but "forgets" to include Barium Nitrate. funny, you want to prove that thermate was involved, but dont test for something that makes up 30% of it?

That's like stating, dont add sugar to your cookie dough.
Indeed. I watched the previous video to see if he said what sample his thermate spectrum comes from, but he didn't. Where's the barium, Steve?

[Undesired Walrus]

So, why is this guy still a professor when he leaves out this vital 30%? I thought thermate burnt all over the place, not just like a "knife through butter" as he charmingly claims?

[bob_kark]

Didn't know you could go deeper than bottomless. Well played Dr. Jones.

[Redtail]

Steve has Thermite.... but we have Kryptonite!!

:eye-poppi When I steal a chunk of this (and I will) you'd better not tell!

[Redtail]

So, why is this guy still a professor when he leaves out this vital 30%? I thought thermate burnt all over the place, not just like a "knife through butter" as he charmingly claims?

Even if you are a jackass you get to keep the title. Me for instance.:D

[~enigma~]

Even if you are a jackass you get to keep the title. Me for instance.:D
Your a jackass?!

Don't try this at home...I'm a professional :D

[The Almond]

I've already reviewed Jones's work on X-Ray spectrometry. It's crap. Like many people with only a cursory knowledge of microanalysis, it is easy to misinterpret the data.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/12771462e0c0c6333e.jpg

I did some quick work with NIST's DTSA and simulated the spectra for iron and fluorine. If Jones is producing an X-ray image of fluorine in a substance that has a substantial iron signature (like, oh, structural steel), then fully 80% of the counts associated with fluorine will actually be iron. If Jones intends to prove the presence of fluorine, he first has to account for the peak overlap with iron.

[Quad4_72]

Sulfur is found in volcanoes and in thermite. Therefore, a thermite volcano erupted under the towers, hence the pools of molten metal. My science is flawless. Just like Jones's:p

[FactCheck]

So, why is this guy still a professor when he leaves out this vital 30%? I thought thermate burnt all over the place, not just like a "knife through butter" as he charmingly claims?

A professor who can't find a job in a respected college is like finding traces of thermite without Barium.

[~enigma~]

seriously, the new article about confirming the existence of thermite:

http://stopthelie.com/the_evidence_is_in.html
Somebody want to explain how finding the constituents of thermite (which were present anyway) via spectroscopic analysis provs that a compuond containing barium was used when there was no trace of barium found spectroscopically. Think he should leave spectroscopy for chemical signatures to trained individuals (chemists and not cult leader wannabes).

[~enigma~]

Sulfur is found in volcanoes and in thermite. Therefore, a thermite volcano erupted under the towers, hence the pools of molten metal. My science is flawless. Just like Jones's:p
Concerning the molten metal.....did any of the woo ever stop to think (maybe that is the problem, they forgot to restart their brains) what amout by weight of thermite would be required to account for the pools and rivers of molten metal? 1 kg molten metal takes 2 kg of thermite. Pardon me for not doing calculations here but it doesn't take a rocket scientist (R. Mackey excluded) to figure out the required weight would be nothing less than phenomenal. There was an estimate that if thermite produced the flow coming out of the window, it would have required about 16 tons of thermite. Anybody want to do a calculation to approximate the volume of the total thermite required to account for all the molten metal at GZ.

[chipmunk stew]

Where's the barium, Steve?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/beef.gif

[Gravy]

Anybody want to do a calculation to approximate the volume of the total thermite required to account for all the molten metal at GZ.That would be impossible, since no one knows how much molten metal there was.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

the video in question:

Bsp3DPTmiN0

lists the "ingreidents" that we all know of, but "forgets" to include Barium Nitrate. funny, you want to prove that thermate was involved, but dont test for something that makes up 30% of it?

That's like stating, dont add sugar to your cookie dough.
Utterly boggling. He finds components that are in thermite, but are also commonly used in other products, doesn't find one of the critical components that makes thermite into thermate; and declares he has proof of the use of thermate.

[twinstead]

Help out this poor layman; I'm trying to get a handle on this...

Does it mean that he found flour, eggs and water--ingredients in cheesecake but also in a myriad of other foods--but doesn't find any cheese?

And then declares that he found cheesecake?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Help out this poor layman; I'm trying to get a handle on this...

Does it mean that he found flour, eggs and water--ingredients in cheesecake but also in a myriad of other foods--but doesn't find any cheese?

And then declares that he found cheesecake?
Basically.

[Kent1]

He does say there is Barium.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20060914/ai_n16740302

"I can be proven wrong," Jones said. "I accept that. But whoever does it will have to explain this molten metal to me, and especially all the barium found. That's nasty stuff that's not going to be used in a building."

However
http://www.debunking911.com/jones.htm

The levels of many of the elements are consistent with their presence in building materials, including chromium, magnesium, manganese, aluminum, and BARIUM.

http://www.ehponline.org/members/2002/110p703-714lioy/lioy-full.html

[Gravy]

He does say there is Barium.We've discussed that in the past. But in this case there doesn't appear to be significant barium in the base "thermate" sample or in the WTC sample. I'd send him an email to get his clarification, but he won't reply. Anyone care to do that? stj911@gmail.com

[T.A.M.]

Someone needs to get this stuff to Fetzer/Reynolds/Wood so they beat the proverbial piss out of it...God I love it when the enemy does the work for you.

TAM:)

[Kent1]

We've discussed that in the past. But in this case there doesn't appear to be significant barium in the base "thermate" sample or in the WTC sample. I'd send him an email to get his clarification, but he won't reply. Anyone care to do that? stj911@gmail.com
He doesn't seem to respond to mine anymore. I wasn't rude either. But anyway, I just wanted to clarify his position and show that his claim regarding "not going to be used in a building" was yet another BS statement.

[R.Mackey]

Someone needs to get this stuff to Fetzer/Reynolds/Wood so they beat the proverbial piss out of it...God I love it when the enemy does the work for you.

They already have. (http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/JonesScientificMethod.html)


I find it quite amusing how the Idiot Movement acts like us and asks exactly the same questions that we do when it suits their purposes (e.g. "how did the thermite get there, who put it there, and when"), and gets indignant and proclaims "we're just pointing out anomalies / Asking QuestionsTM" when it's inconvenient to them.

Has Jones approached any legitimate journals yet? Why not? Is he afraid? Isn't that what all the other cool professors are doing??

[Unfit4Command]

Sulfur is found in volcanoes and in thermite. Therefore, a thermite volcano erupted under the towers, hence the pools of molten metal. My science is flawless. Just like Jones's:p

I made a post a while ago that proved a volcano destroyed the Twin Towers.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2443974&postcount=295

Seems logical, right?

[Dr Adequate]

They already have. (http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/JonesScientificMethod.html)Oh dear oh dear.

"Where is the proof of concept for the thermite hypothesis? Wikipedia Encyclopedia defines "Proof of concept" as "a short and/or incomplete realization (or synopsis) of a certain method or idea(s) to demonstrate its feasibility, or a demonstration in principle, whose purpose is to verify that some concept or theory is probably capable of exploitation in a useful manner. The proof of concept is usually considered a milestone on the way of a fully functioning prototype." Dr. Jones has never laid it out."

It's like watching monkeys attacking one another with bladders on sticks.

[R.Mackey]

Even funnier, this is from the guys who think the Towers were brought down by space beams... :D

[~enigma~]

That would be impossible, since no one knows how much molten metal there was.
Estimates based on the volume of the puddles can be made but for the sake of argument let's assume that it is steel.

ETA - That is a Judy Woods scientific estimate :)

[~enigma~]

I made a post a while ago that proved a volcano destroyed the Twin Towers.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2443974&postcount=295

Seems logical, right?
Well...thermite mixed with water can cause a phreatomagmatic or ultravolcanic explosion so there may be more truth to your joke than you think...