Nuclear False-Flag Coming!!!!

[parky76]

Run for the hills!!! The NWO/Zionists are planning a big nuclear attack!!

http://infowars.net/articles/april2007/240407Iran_False_Flag.htm

Oh Lord...please protect us from this upcoming disaster. :D

p.s. we all know that after this attack, the NWO will begin sending all 9-11 truthers into FEMA death camps. I advise them to immediately, and without delay, destroy their computers, destroy their internet connections, leave town, and never come back.

[Horatius]

You forgot the bit about one last post to admit they now believe the OCT, just as a CYA thing.

[The Doc]

Will this be the same as the nuclear false-flag that happened last October just as Alex Jones predicted?

Oh wait...

[Gravy]

I hate nuclear false-flags.

[parky76]

On a serious note, its interesting how the 9-11 deniars talk about how Bush and the NWO are trying to control society by scaring us into submission. But lately the only fear I've heard is coming from the 9-11 deniars themselves, talking about false-flags here..false-flags there. Perhaps they actually like living in fear.

[Unfit4Command]

I predict another nuclear false-flag operation for July 18th. I really got this information from my NWO superiors, be prepared everyone, be prepared...

[T.A.M.]

I predict their prediction will prove to be incorrect.

TAM:)

[njslim]

I predict another nuclear false-flag operation for July 18th. I really got this information from my NWO superiors, be prepared everyone, be prepared...

July 18? Think I'm busy then. Can you have them reschedule? Hate to
miss the show....

[John Blonn]

Anyone want to explain to me how false flag attacks, nuclear or otherwise, are beneficial to the NWO/Illuminati/whoever when such attacks could cause hundreds of billions of dollars of damage?

[Unfit4Command]

I predict another nuclear false-flag operation for July 18th. I really got this information from my NWO superiors, be prepared everyone, be prepared...

July 18? Think I'm busy then. Can you have them reschedule? Hate to
miss the show....

I'm not the one who made the date, it was the NWO leaders at the last conference. I can't change the date, I'm just a shill who plants chips in peoples heads.

[parky76]

If the NWO was real...would you join it? I sure would. I bet they get all the hottest chicks. :rolleyes:

[Brainster]

Anyone want to explain to me how false flag attacks, nuclear or otherwise, are beneficial to the NWO/Illuminati/whoever when such attacks could cause hundreds of billions of dollars of damage?

Because then they'll be able to justify putting us in FEMA death camps so that they can enjoy all the wonderful, marvelous oil that they'd run out of if we plebes were allowed to live.

And the folks who tell me that in emails are actually reasonable compared to the rest.

[John Blonn]

But how would they enjoy their lavish lifestyle if all the sheeple were in camps? Slaves or something? Gotta have someone around doing the dirty work to keep civilization going, and I don't see the NWO masters volunteering.

[jaydeehess]

I wish I had a dollar for every wrong prediction of such things. The wife and I could at least go out for a good dinner with a bottle of nice wine by now.

[jaydeehess]

Funny how the NWO has whistle blowers willing to leak upcoming false flags but none willing to point out how WTC 7 was rigged.

[Totovader]

On a serious note, its interesting how the 9-11 deniars talk about how Bush and the NWO are trying to control society by scaring us into submission. But lately the only fear I've heard is coming from the 9-11 deniars themselves, talking about false-flags here..false-flags there. Perhaps they actually like living in fear.

*Cue explanation of psychological projection from someone far more qualified than me to talk about it*


:mglook

[CHF]

I just got an e-mail from NWO HQ.

It says the nuclear false flag attack will comense on....April 25!

So there's no point in anyone going to work tomorrow.

Hear that twoofers? Time to quit your jobs and take to the streets.

[The Doc]

Hear that twoofers? Time to quit your jobs and take to the streets.

They have jobs? :p

[jaydeehess]

They have jobs? :p

Oh Lord, you're right. If a good percentage of them are living in their parents basements they will be the ones more likely to survive.:boggled:

[Unsecured Coins]

I'm still waiting on that attack on Iran to start.

[The Doc]

I'm still waiting on that attack on Iran to start.

Maybe it already did... 0_o

[gumboot]

I predict their prediction will prove to be incorrect.

TAM:)


I predict your prediction was correctly predicted...

-Gumboot

[qarnos]

I hate nuclear false-flags.

I've heard they're a blast.

[jhunter1163]

I've heard they're a blast.

*rim shot*

[DarkMagician]

Again, Jones cries "Wolf" and we're unimpressed.

[negativ]

If the NWO was real...would you join it? I sure would. I bet they get all the hottest chicks. :rolleyes:

Even better, I bet they have ROBOT CHICKS.

[JAStewart]

Even better, I bet they have ROBOT CHICKS.

fembots?

[MaGZ]

I worry that the Israelis will set off a dirty bomb in a major American city and try to blame Iran for the attack. I think this could be their next false flag operation. Coming off their success in the anthrax attacks and getting the US to attack Iraq, it is reasonable to think an operation concerning Iran may be next.

Remember the Israelis are experts in false flag operations. They blew up the disco in Berlin in the 80's and made it look like the Libyans did it. You can read all about it in the book "By Way of Deception," by Israeli agent Victor Ostrosvsky.

And then there is the Lavon Affair.

[The Doc]

I worry that the Israelis will set off a dirty bomb in a major American city and try to blame Iran for the attack. I think this could be their next false flag operation. Coming off their success in the anthrax attacks and getting the US to attack Iraq, it is reasonable to think an operation concerning Iran may be next.

Remember the Israelis are experts in false flag operations. They blew up the disco in Berlin in the 80's and made it look like the Libyans did it. You can read all about it in the book "By Way of Deception," by Israeli agent Victor Ostrosvsky.

And then there is the Lavon Affair.

And the true agenda reveals itself for all to see.

[Architect]

I worry that the Israelis will set off a dirty bomb in a major American city and try to blame Iran for the attack. I think this could be their next false flag operation. Coming off their success in the anthrax attacks and getting the US to attack Iraq, it is reasonable to think an operation concerning Iran may be next.

Remember the Israelis are experts in false flag operations. They blew up the disco in Berlin in the 80's and made it look like the Libyans did it. You can read all about it in the book "By Way of Deception," by Israeli agent Victor Ostrosvsky.

And then there is the Lavon Affair.


You know, "24" is just make believe...not a documentary.

:covereyes

[twinstead]

I worry that the Israelis will set off a dirty bomb in a major American city and try to blame Iran for the attack. I think this could be their next false flag operation. Coming off their success in the anthrax attacks and getting the US to attack Iraq, it is reasonable to think an operation concerning Iran may be next.

Remember the Israelis are experts in false flag operations. They blew up the disco in Berlin in the 80's and made it look like the Libyans did it. You can read all about it in the book "By Way of Deception," by Israeli agent Victor Ostrosvsky.

And then there is the Lavon Affair.

I worry that terrorists will set off a dirty bomb in a major American city, but some people will accuse Israel for it, for no other reason than they blame everything on Israel, and refuse to acknowledge global terrorism as a threat even after something as bad as a dirty bomb.

[Disbelief]

I worry that the Israelis will set off a dirty bomb in a major American city and try to blame Iran for the attack. I think this could be their next false flag operation. Coming off their success in the anthrax attacks and getting the US to attack Iraq, it is reasonable to think an operation concerning Iran may be next.

Remember the Israelis are experts in false flag operations. They blew up the disco in Berlin in the 80's and made it look like the Libyans did it. You can read all about it in the book "By Way of Deception," by Israeli agent Victor Ostrosvsky.

And then there is the Lavon Affair.

Why the hell would we go into Iran when we can't even get out of Iraq?

Please, do not speak of the Berlin disco when you know nothing about it. My coworker's son was one of the individuals killed in that explosion.

[parky76]

I worry that 9-11 truthers like Magz are so desperate for another "false-flag" attack that they might actually stage one. It will be their "Pearl Harbor" inorder to jump start their revolution.

-by the way MaGz, you have still provided zero evidence of Israel's involvement in the anthrax attacks. Only theory based on "what if" and "who profits".

[The Doc]

parky76 just got my thinking...

How long until truthers say that Dylan Avery planned 9/11 so he could make his movie and therefore make money? :p

[JonnyFive]

You know, "24" is just make believe...not a documentary.

It's not?! Well, that explains a lot.

I was wondering why Fox was the only channel covering the nuclear attack in LA.

I was also wondering why former President David Palmer was appearing in Allstate commercials. I thought he was killed a couple years ago.

[The Doc]

I was also wondering why former President David Palmer was appearing in Allstate commercials. I thought he was killed a couple years ago.

That's what THEY want you to believe!

[JonnyFive]

That's what THEY want you to believe!

The Illuminati pretended to kill the president so they could put him in slick commercials for car insurance? I'm confused. Is there a simplistic video documentary that's lean on facts and heavy on techno music that can explain all of this to me in language even a third grader can understand?

[The Doc]

The Illuminati pretended to kill the president so they could put him in slick commercials for car insurance? I'm confused. Is there a simplistic video documentary that's lean on facts and heavy on techno music that can explain all of this to me in language even a third grader can understand?

I'll make one. Give me 2 minutes to make it and it'll be on par with Loose Change.

:p

[JonnyFive]

I'll make one. Give me 2 minutes to make it and it'll be on par with Loose Change.

:p

Ooh, make it using clips from the "Next time on '24'" segments.

I love that documentary!

[NickUK]

My wife once said she'd leave me for Tony Almeida.

If you're reading this Tony, don't even think about it.

[Undesired Walrus]

You know, "24" is just make believe...not a documentary.

:covereyes

The hilarious thing about 24, is that the government conspiracies are a lot more plausible and well-thought (allowing terrorists to smuggle nerve gas into asia to have a pretext to claim they have WMD's and invade) out than anything Jones or Avery have ever come up with. And this is a show in which a main character gets an electric screwdriver in the elbow and can get back to work in 1 hour!

[Belz...]

I worry that the Israelis will set off a dirty bomb in a major American city and try to blame Iran for the attack.

I worry about space aliens invading Earth.

Should we investigate that, too ?

[fuelair]

Anybody here who can show me a picture of a nuclear flag to compare it with the false nuclear flag. And isn't that nucular?

[Travis]

I fear we'll get a poster on here who is actually an Israeli counterintelligence agent posing as an anti-Zionist with orders to make them appear as obtuse, hopelessly anti-Semitic, reactionaries whose arguments completely lack substance, evidence and logic.

[Travis]

I fear we'll get a poster on here who is actually an Israeli counterintelligence agent posing as an anti-Zionist with orders to make them appear as obtuse, hopelessly anti-Semitic, reactionaries whose arguments completely lack substance, evidence and logic.

On second thought I don't fear this. No... wait... I do fear this, just not as much as I fear balls of dust evolving sentient intelligence. Which you may claim can't happen, but I clearly saw something about it in the April NWO bi-monthly newsletter. You know the one with the suggested "new" words like dweebark and capanadation that don't have associated definitions yet.

[JonnyFive]

On second thought I don't fear this. No... wait... I do fear this, just not as much as I fear balls of dust evolving sentient intelligence.

Oddly enough, I'm terrified of the exact same thing happening. Also, I'm afraid of those little rolled up balls of pencil eraser crud that come off when you erase stuff, as they appear to be watching me with their hate-filled little eyes. I find it's best to use fire in these circumstances.

[Travis]

Oddly enough, I'm terrified of the exact same thing happening. Also, I'm afraid of those little rolled up balls of pencil eraser crud that come off when you erase stuff, as they appear to be watching me with their hate-filled little eyes. I find it's best to use fire in these circumstances.

Fire can work, unless you get those pesky R24.A1 "Intentional Frustration Inducer" erasers that were developed during the Ford administration. Of course those wouldn't produce eraser detritus anyways as they won't erase anything, they only make the text your erasing darker and permanent! But it would be unlikely you'd encounter them as all of them were airdropped into Estonia. Why Estonia? Well, who knows.

Seriously though, I'm writing a screenplay right now where Mariah Carey's shoe closet is so vast and large that it evolves sentient intelligence and amasses a military to protect it from all those that might want to harm "The Closet."

[JonnyFive]

Seriously though, I'm writing a screenplay right now where Mariah Carey's shoe closet is so vast and large that it evolves sentient intelligence and amasses a military to protect it from all those that might want to harm "The Closet."

Based on true events!

[Travis]

Uhh and in case anyone's wondering, yes it is a comedy. Or at least it's supposed to be a comedy.:D

[Comsat Angel]

It's not?! Well, that explains a lot.

I was wondering why Fox was the only channel covering the nuclear attack in LA.

I was also wondering why former President David Palmer was appearing in Allstate commercials. I thought he was killed a couple years ago.

Didn't he really go undercover to fight terrorism in something called UNIT?

[jaydeehess]

Oddly enough, I'm terrified of the exact same thing happening. Also, I'm afraid of those little rolled up balls of pencil eraser crud that come off when you erase stuff, as they appear to be watching me with their hate-filled little eyes. I find it's best to use fire in these circumstances.

Oh Jeez, that's nothing. Your TV is watching you. First thing all should do is remove TV's from their bedrooms then line the walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil which should then be connected to the electrical ground so as to sheild all electromagnetic evesdropping while you are in the bedroom. In this way you will have at least one room in the house where no one can watch you clacking away on the computer.:boggled:

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Coming off their success in the anthrax attacks and getting the US to attack Iraq, it is reasonable to think an operation concerning Iran may be next.
You really do think the U.S. invaded Iraq because of the anthrax attack, don't you?

[beachnut]

I worry that the Israelis will set off a dirty bomb in a major American city and try to blame Iran for the attack. I think this could be their next false flag operation. Coming off their success in the anthrax attacks and getting the US to attack Iraq, it is reasonable to think an operation concerning Iran may be next.

Remember the Israelis are experts in false flag operations. They blew up the disco in Berlin in the 80's and made it look like the Libyans did it. You can read all about it in the book "By Way of Deception," by Israeli agent Victor Ostrosvsky.

And then there is the Lavon Affair.
Where do you get the neoNAZI junk from?

[Myriad]

Oh Jeez, that's nothing. Your TV is watching you. First thing all should do is remove TV's from their bedrooms then line the walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil which should then be connected to the electrical ground so as to sheild all electromagnetic evesdropping while you are in the bedroom. In this way you will have at least one room in the house where no one can watch you clacking away on the computer.:boggled:


Don't believe this disinfo! That so-called "electrical ground" in your wiring is actually a high-speed full-duplex data line directly to the NWO supercomputer. Your foil will only make it easier for them to monitor and control you! The only effective way to shield yourself is to connect the foil directly to the black wire in your electrical outlets. Do that, and you'll never have to worry about the government again.

Note: the above is satire. Do not do it. You will die.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[gumboot]

Well we all know I'm worried about the road cone conspiracy... That should be investigated post haste!

-Gumboot

[TOHMS]

IMO, most of America is absoultely fed up with Bush, and the fact that he is almost out of office is starting to show, people just don't care anymore. The administration brought us into a terrible war, and how is rife with scandals.

[Travis]

Hey MaGZ, do you have a ready to use template for these things?

I worry that the Israelis will __________ in a major American city and try to blame _______ for the attack. I think this could be their next _______ operation. Coming off their success in the _______ attacks and getting the US to attack _______, it is reasonable to think an operation concerning _______ may be next.

Remember the Israelis are experts in _______. They _______ the _______ in _______ in the _0's and made it look like the _______ did it. You can read all about it in the book "___________," by Israeli agent _______ _________.

[JonnyFive]

Didn't he really go undercover to fight terrorism in something called UNIT?

Maybe it was a clone.

Oh Jeez, that's nothing. Your TV is watching you. First thing all should do is remove TV's from their bedrooms then line the walls of the bedroom with aluminum foil which should then be connected to the electrical ground so as to sheild all electromagnetic evesdropping while you are in the bedroom. In this way you will have at least one room in the house where no one can watch you clacking away on the computer.:boggled:

But I like my TV.

Plus, I use it as a computer monitor as well when I'm at home. Am I totally screwed?

[jaydeehess]

But I like my TV.

Plus, I use it as a computer monitor as well when I'm at home. Am I totally screwed?

Playing right into their hands JF. I shouldn't even be talking to you since i now run the risk of them flagging my TV and computer for more exacting scrutiny.

Myriad, What I proposed is quite valid but I forgot to add that one must also have a medium sized electric motor running in the room at the same time to create a lot of EMR noise. Any motor above 1/4 HP running at at least 3000 RPM should do it. The best ones are older ones that have brushes that are a little worn. In having this going you might as well not have the TV since your recption wil suck anyway.

[qarnos]

Hey MaGZ, do you have a ready to use template for these things?

Hey, I like it!

I worry that the Israelis will poo in a major American city and try to blame Abby Scott for the attack. I think this could be their next panda operation. Coming off their success in the foghorn attacks and getting the US to attack Antarctica, it is reasonable to think an operation concerning Mark Roberts may be next.

Remember the Israelis are experts in cooking. They pretended to be the horses in Grand Nationals in the 1530's and made it look like the clowns did it. You can read all about it in the book "Only Clowns and Horses," by Israeli agent Dylan Avery.

[parky76]

Travis- you are hilarious. :)

[The Great Hairy One]

If the NWO was real...would you join it? I sure would. I bet they get all the hottest chicks. :rolleyes:


This is slightly incorrect. As Chief Commander Scientist of the NWO Cloning Banks, I remind you that we grow the hottest chicks.

(Contact me to place your orders. Phenotype editable upon request.)

Cheers,
TGHO

[jaydeehess]

This is slightly incorrect. As Chief Commander Scientist of the NWO Cloning Banks, I remind you that we grow the hottest chicks.

(Contact me to place your orders. Phenotype editable upon request.)

Cheers,
TGHO


Well you sure have grown some ugly male rock stars
Mick Jagger
Steve Tyler
Tommy Lee.

They obviously all come from the same genetic line, tall, skinny, bony faces.

[The Great Hairy One]

Well you sure have grown some ugly male rock stars
Mick Jagger
Steve Tyler
Tommy Lee.

They obviously all come from the same genetic line, tall, skinny, bony faces.


That's our Control The Masses Through Loud Music(tm) line. Very successful. :)

Cheers,
TGHO

[JonnyFive]

Hey MaGZ, do you have a ready to use template for these things?

Mad Libs for paranoids?

The US Government, in cooperation with the (VAGUE AND POSSIBLY IMAGINARY GROUP) and possibly the (FOREIGN GOVERNMENT GROUP) used its influence over the (INSTITUTION OR COMPANY) to (SYNONYM FOR "CONTROL", "FOOL", OR "COERCE") the populace and lead the (NEGATIVE TERM FOR THE POPULATION AT LARGE) to believe that the (VAGUE AND POSSIBLY IMAGINARY GROUP FROM THE FIRST BLANK) was (SOMETHING GOOD OR NEUTRAL) when really they were working with the (ANOTHER FOREIGN GOVERNMENT GROUP, OR THE ALIENS) to (SOMETHING BAD).

[Travis]

Now we just need to come up with a template/mad lib for Alex Jones. Bonus points if it allows you the flexibility to blame a government, a multinational corporation, a cult, someone from Aerosmith and the UN for the same conspiracy while utilizing imaginary physics and adhering to the written ramblings you found on the back of a chinese take out menu in an alley.

[MaGZ]

I worry that 9-11 truthers like Magz are so desperate for another "false-flag" attack that they might actually stage one. It will be their "Pearl Harbor" inorder to jump start their revolution.

-by the way MaGz, you have still provided zero evidence of Israel's involvement in the anthrax attacks. Only theory based on "what if" and "who profits".

The Anthrax Mystery: Solved

http://irish-nationalism.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2082

[defaultdotxbe]

The Anthrax Mystery: Solved

http://irish-nationalism.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2082
your evidence is a forum post that cites a website that isnt there anymore but was run by a antisemetic white supremecist

anyone keeping score on this?

[MaGZ]

You really do think the U.S. invaded Iraq because of the anthrax attack, don't you?

The anthrax attacks were used to terrorize the American people and the US Senate in particular. After the attacks pro-Israeli propagandists in the US began talking about WMDs and pointed toward Iraq. The news media reported only three countries in the world could have made the advance anthrax that was mailed: the US, former Soviet Union, and Iraq. They avoided mentioning Israel’s bioweapons facility in Nes Ziona.

The Israelis targeted the Senate to get the blank check for war.


A motive for Israel in launching the anthrax attacks would be to bring America into war against Iraq and to remove that country as a potential threat to the Jewish state. When Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990, the United States Senate was thrown into a heated debate as to whether or not this country should go to war. Senator Tom Daschle took the lead in being against American involvement. In order for Israel to achieve her war objective, this time Senator Daschle would have to be removed—or turned toward Israel’s position. Either way, Israel would win.

Likewise, Senator Patrick Leahy ran afoul of the Israelis when he introduced his Leahy Amendment to the Foreign Operations Appropriations Act. The Leahy Amendment, also called the Leahy Law, prohibits American arms sales to foreign security or military units that systematically violate human rights. The Israeli military routinely tortures Palestinian prisoners, assassinates Arab political figures, and fires American-made rockets and missiles into civilian crowds and apartment buildings. If an American administration ever decided to enforce the Leahy Law, Israel would find herself under an arms embargo. Eliminating or ‘turning’ her Senatorial adversaries—a gamble she couldn’t lose— would be powerful motives for Israel to target Senators Daschle and Leahy for political assassination by anthrax.

[parky76]

So the Anthrax could have come from the USA, Israel, and Iraq. What about Great Britain? What about France? What about Germany? Their weapons programs are not as advanced....as Iraq?? Interesting how you immediately point the figure at Israel. Somehow they "prospered" from the attacks...yet there is no direct evidence of their involvement. In a court of law, your accusations would lead to an acquital. In the court of opinion amoung conspiracy theorists, the Jews and Israel...are ALWAYS guilty. This is why you are an anti-Semite...because you clearly hate Jews. And don't just brush this off as simply name calling. Your words speak much louder then your excuses.

...and by the way, MaGz, your failure to provide direct evidence of a connection between Israel and the Anthrax from the attacks, or the letters themselves, proves that there is no evidence, is no connection, and therefore Israel is INNOCENT.

[Travis]

Woke up this morning: --check!
Went to bathroom: --check!
Sky was still blue: --check!
Ate breakfast: --check!
Reality TV still tedious: --check!
MaGZ posted an attack on Israel without providing a plausible motive or establishing that it is even possible: --check!

Nice to know some things just do not change.

[Travis]

your evidence is a forum post that cites a website that isnt there anymore but was run by a antisemetic white supremecist

anyone keeping score on this?

I have.

Reasonable thinkers: 11 | MaGZ : ...uh is there something lower than negative infinity?

[defaultdotxbe]

I have.

Reasonable thinkers: 11 | MaGZ : ...uh is there something lower than negative infinity?
0 - ∞∞

[MaGZ]

So the Anthrax could have come from the USA, Israel, and Iraq. What about Great Britain? What about France? What about Germany? Their weapons programs are not as advanced....as Iraq?? Interesting how you immediately point the figure at Israel. Somehow they "prospered" from the attacks...yet there is no direct evidence of their involvement. In a court of law, your accusations would lead to an acquital. In the court of opinion amoung conspiracy theorists, the Jews and Israel...are ALWAYS guilty. This is why you are an anti-Semite...because you clearly hate Jews. And don't just brush this off as simply name calling. Your words speak much louder then your excuses.

...and by the way, MaGz, your failure to provide direct evidence of a connection between Israel and the Anthrax from the attacks, or the letters themselves, proves that there is no evidence, is no connection, and therefore Israel is INNOCENT.

Israel' Bioweapons Programs
http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/npr/vol08/83/83cohen.pdf

From The Anthrax Mystery: Solved


Israel’s bio-weapons facilities are located at the Israel Institute of Biological Research (IIBR) in Ness Ziona (also Nes Ziona, Nes Tona) a few miles southeast of Tel Aviv. In 1952 the IIBR consisted of a single building hidden in an orange grove. Today, the IIBR has grown into a massive 14-acre compound with several hundred employees surrounded by high walls and electronic sensors. What goes on behind those high walls is something Israel would prefer to be kept secret.

Dutch journalist Karel Knip has researched the IIBR and came up with some interesting findings. Knip began by going through medical literature he found on the Internet. Specifically, he focused on the papers of 140 scientists affiliated with IIBR over the last five decades. With the help of experts on chemical and biological weapons, Knip developed an overview of the various programs that exist at IIBR. Knip found IIBR research began in the 1950s involving plague, typhus, and rabies. Dr. Avner Cohen discusses Knip’s findings in his paper and states, “… a significant number of studies at IIBR focused on anti-livestock agents, following the path of other national BW [bio-weapons] programs at the time.” ‘Anti-livestock agents’ is Cohen’s cryptic reference to Israel’s anthrax programs.

[twinstead]

MaGZ what part of 'provide direct, unbiased evidence of a connection' don't you understand?

[Stellafane]

So...are we dead yet?

[Travis]

Israel' Bioweapons Programs
http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/npr/vol08/83/83cohen.pdf

From The Anthrax Mystery: Solved


Israel’s bio-weapons facilities are located at the Israel Institute of Biological Research (IIBR) in Ness Ziona (also Nes Ziona, Nes Tona) a few miles southeast of Tel Aviv. In 1952 the IIBR consisted of a single building hidden in an orange grove. Today, the IIBR has grown into a massive 14-acre compound with several hundred employees surrounded by high walls and electronic sensors. What goes on behind those high walls is something Israel would prefer to be kept secret.

Dutch journalist Karel Knip has researched the IIBR and came up with some interesting findings. Knip began by going through medical literature he found on the Internet. Specifically, he focused on the papers of 140 scientists affiliated with IIBR over the last five decades. With the help of experts on chemical and biological weapons, Knip developed an overview of the various programs that exist at IIBR. Knip found IIBR research began in the 1950s involving plague, typhus, and rabies. Dr. Avner Cohen discusses Knip’s findings in his paper and states, “… a significant number of studies at IIBR focused on anti-livestock agents, following the path of other national BW [bio-weapons] programs at the time.” ‘Anti-livestock agents’ is Cohen’s cryptic reference to Israel’s anthrax programs.

Bravo MaGZ! :rolleyes: What have you offered us? What are we to make of this post? Well, even if I was prepared to accept Knip and Cohen's word on this and for the sake of argument I will, all that is provided in this post is a nice description of where the bio-weapons lab is and that it possibly involved research into plague, typhus, rabies, anti-livestock agents and maybe, just maybe, the anti-livestock agents are actually anthrax.

But what it does not say is the anti-livestock agents that might be anthrax were in any of the letters in the anthrax attack. Furthermore you have, yet again, failed to provide a reasonable and plausible motive for doing so. Do explain exactly how Israel benefited from the anthrax attacks or face the ignominy of being exposed as a run-of-the-mill hate monger who does not provide evidence because they themselves never required any to believe the accusation when they first heard of it.

It's all up to you. I'm calling you out on this, I want you to show the goods or abandon this entire hollow, tedious tirade of yours! I'm not a Jew, nor or any of my friends, I do not know anyone from Israel, but I cannot stand by and allow this reprehensible, baseless propaganda be peddled as an actual foundation for an accusation of this severity.

What's it gonna be?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I'm not sure 14 acres could be considered "massive", either...

[parky76]

MagZ- Im worried. Your failure to provide a DIRECT LINK between the anthrax found in the envelopes and anthrax from Israel has still failed to matieralize. Additionally, you have failed to provide a DIRECT LINK between the envelopes and a human being who mailed them, who is an Israeli. Here is one more chance. Show us a direct link between the anthrax attacks and Israel. Dont show us evidence that Israel possesses anthrax...we already know this. Show us evidence that Israel actually carried out these attacks. If you fail to do this....you have lost any/all credibility with me and this forum.

by the way, do you know what defamation is? Cause I believe you are indeed guilty of it.

[Travis]

I'm not sure 14 acres could be considered "massive", either...

Well duh! Obviously the compound needs to be described as "massive" because that makes it sound more ominous and EVIL. Calling the compound "moderately sized" just doesn't have that nice anti-Israel propaganda ring to it.

[Travis]

. . . by the way, do you know what defamation is? Cause I believe you are indeed guilty of it.

Oh this is beyond the point of defamation. This is so far gone that we need a new word to describe it. I humbly suggest the word be "Liblanderation" and whenever someone needs to know the definition of it we will simple link back to this thread and a certain individuals posts.

[parky76]

Now I have to ask: are there any rules about posting huge accusations about people and not backing it up with evidence? I am really getting tired of MaGz accusing Israel and the Jews of vile crimes...with zero evidence.

[The Great Hairy One]

Richard Preston, in "Demon in the Freezer", quotes several FBI agents (the names escape me right now, but I can look it up tonight if required) as stating that the anthrax was a home-grown, US developed strain which came from one of the US military labs.

Cheers,
TGHO

[Slayhamlet]

Now I have to ask: are there any rules about posting huge accusations about people and not backing it up with evidence? I am really getting tired of MaGz accusing Israel and the Jews of vile crimes...with zero evidence.

Since Israel is a nation there's really no rule being broken when a woo makes an unsubstantiated claim against it. Imagine what this site would look like if there were such a rule: every conspiracy woo would be banned since they all accuse the US government of killing its own citizens on 9/11. None has substantiated the charge to date. Of course, if they expressly accuse Jews with zero substantiation, then obviously that's antisemitism and I think that's a bannable offence. They can still couch their antisemitism in words like Zionist and get away with it, though.

[JonnyFive]

Now we just need to come up with a template/mad lib for Alex Jones. Bonus points if it allows you the flexibility to blame a government, a multinational corporation, a cult, someone from Aerosmith and the UN for the same conspiracy while utilizing imaginary physics and adhering to the written ramblings you found on the back of a chinese take out menu in an alley.

That's easy:

(NAME OF EVENT) was a conspiracy by (GOVERNMENT GROUP) and (NAME OF SHADOWY, POSSIBLY FICTIONAL GROUP) to (SOMETHING BAD). High level members of (PRIVATE SECTOR ENTITY) were involved. (SOMETHING ABOUT PHYSICS BEING IMPOSSIBLE).

Press 1 to blame the Jews, press 2 to blame the Illuminati, press 3 to continue in Spanish.

Easy as pie. :)

[gumboot]

Since Israel is a nation there's really no rule being broken when a woo makes an unsubstantiated claim against it. Imagine what this site would look like if there were such a rule: every conspiracy woo would be banned since they all accuse the US government of killing its own citizens on 9/11. None has substantiated the charge to date. Of course, if they expressly accuse Jews with zero substantiation, then obviously that's antisemitism and I think that's a bannable offence. They can still couch their antisemitism in words like Zionist and get away with it, though.



The moderators have repeatedly asserted that antisemitism, or for that matter any other form of racism or general bigotry is not a bannable offence. This forum values and respects the rights of free speech.

Only attacks against INDIVIDUALS (and specifically individuals who are members of this forum) are unacceptable.

-Gumboot

[parky76]

Well, I guess if we banned people because of their ideas, we would be just like the "truthers". Though its hard to be righteous all the time.

[MaGZ]

Bravo MaGZ! :rolleyes: What have you offered us? What are we to make of this post? Well, even if I was prepared to accept Knip and Cohen's word on this and for the sake of argument I will, all that is provided in this post is a nice description of where the bio-weapons lab is and that it possibly involved research into plague, typhus, rabies, anti-livestock agents and maybe, just maybe, the anti-livestock agents are actually anthrax.

But what it does not say is the anti-livestock agents that might be anthrax were in any of the letters in the anthrax attack. Furthermore you have, yet again, failed to provide a reasonable and plausible motive for doing so. Do explain exactly how Israel benefited from the anthrax attacks or face the ignominy of being exposed as a run-of-the-mill hate monger who does not provide evidence because they themselves never required any to believe the accusation when they first heard of it.

It's all up to you. I'm calling you out on this, I want you to show the goods or abandon this entire hollow, tedious tirade of yours! I'm not a Jew, nor or any of my friends, I do not know anyone from Israel, but I cannot stand by and allow this reprehensible, baseless propaganda be peddled as an actual foundation for an accusation of this severity.

What's it gonna be?

Israel benefitted from the anthrax attacks by the US conquering Iraq. That was the primary reason weaponized anthrax was sent to two US Senators. They needed the Senators to be terrorized so the Senate would give Bush a blank check for war.

[The Great Hairy One]

Israel benefitted from the anthrax attacks by the US conquering Iraq. That was the primary reason weaponized anthrax was sent to two US Senators. They needed the Senators to be terrorized so the Senate would give Bush a blank check for war.


That's not true - the anthrax attacks did not affect the decision to go into Iraq.

Cheers,
TGHO

[gumboot]

Israel benefitted from the anthrax attacks by the US conquering Iraq. That was the primary reason weaponized anthrax was sent to two US Senators. They needed the Senators to be terrorized so the Senate would give Bush a blank check for war.


You do realise it was sent 2 1/2 years before the Iraq War, yes?

-Gumboot

[jsiv]

You do realise it was sent 2 1/2 years before the Iraq War, yes?

-Gumboot
The Iraq War has been in planning since May 14, 1948 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Establishment_of_the_State_of_I srael).

[gumboot]

So you're saying the entire reason behind the creation of the State of Israel was to invade Iraq?

-Gumboot

[Slayhamlet]

So you're saying the entire reason behind the creation of the State of Israel was to invade Iraq?

-Gumboot

I could be wrong, but I think he's just using woo-speak.

[DavidJames]

Israel benefitted from the anthrax attacks by the US conquering Iraq. That was the primary reason weaponized anthrax was sent to two US Senators. They needed the Senators to be terrorized so the Senate would give Bush a blank check for war.Where is your blurry bird video which supports this claim?

[Travis]

Israel benefitted from the anthrax attacks by the US conquering Iraq. That was the primary reason weaponized anthrax was sent to two US Senators. They needed the Senators to be terrorized so the Senate would give Bush a blank check for war.

How did Israel benefit from the US invading Iraq?

Was Iraq a threat to Israel in 2001?

Did Israel gain anything diplomatically? Are there now treaties in place or alliances gained that would not have happened if there were no anthrax attacks and/or no Iraq war?

Did Israel gain anything economically as a result of the anthrax attacks or the Iraq war?

Did Israel gain anything in regards to their ongoing conflict with Palestinian terrorism?

[gumboot]

I could be wrong, but I think he's just using woo-speak.


I know... ;)

-Gumboot

[MaGZ]

How did Israel benefit from the US invading Iraq?

Was Iraq a threat to Israel in 2001?

Did Israel gain anything diplomatically? Are there now treaties in place or alliances gained that would not have happened if there were no anthrax attacks and/or no Iraq war?

Did Israel gain anything economically as a result of the anthrax attacks or the Iraq war?

Did Israel gain anything in regards to their ongoing conflict with Palestinian terrorism?

Taking Iraq down was the first step in the Jews/Israel/Neocon plan. They got rid of Sadam and thought they taught a lesson to those who threaten Israel. Israel benefitted by inciting civil war between the two rival Moslem factions when they blew up the mosque in Iraq. Also they gained an ally in Kurdistan and now likely has a military air base in northern Iraq to be used in a future attack on Iran.

[Hamradioguy]

Israel benefitted from the anthrax attacks by the US conquering Iraq. That was the primary reason weaponized anthrax was sent to two US Senators. They needed the Senators to be terrorized so the Senate would give Bush a blank check for war.

One of those senators was Patrick Leahy who (two and a half years later) voted AGAINST giving Bush authorization to attack Iraq. Guess he wasn't sufficiently terrorized, eh?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Taking Iraq down was the first step in the Jews/Israel/Neocon plan. They got rid of Sadam and thought they taught a lesson to those who threaten Israel.
See... this is your problem: If group A wants groups B, C, and, well... everyone else, really... to fear them, they need to make it plainly obvious they they need to be feared.

Hiding in the shadows and not taking responsibility for an action that's supposed to induce fear of group A... doesn't.

[Travis]

Taking Iraq down was the first step in the Jews/Israel/Neocon plan.

Well at least you are now manning up and accusing all Jews and not still hiding behind the "anti-Zionist" cover any longer. One should always be open with their anti-semitism.

They got rid of Sadam and thought they taught a lesson to those who threaten Israel.

My questions stands as to how Iraq was threatening to Israel. If Iraq had no WMD's and Israel knew this, then they know Iraq is not a threat. If Iraq had no WMD's and Israel did not know this, then the claim that Invading Iraq was baseless looks less solid as one of the worlds best intelligence agencies was as mistaken as the CIA seems to have been and Iraq would have been a viable threat to Israel. If Iraq had WMD's and Israel knew it (and we just haven't found them yet, or they were destroyed during the invasion) then the invasion wasn't baseless and again Iraq is a viable threat to Israel. If Iraq had WMD's and Israel did not know it, then Iraq was still a viable threat even if Israel didn't know it.

So which is it?

Israel benefitted by inciting civil war between the two rival Moslem factions when they blew up the mosque in Iraq.

Whoa, new claim, demands new evidence. Note that a new unfounded claim does not substantiate a previous unfounded claim.

Also they gained an ally in Kurdistan and now likely has a military air base in northern Iraq to be used in a future attack on Iran.

Kurdistan was largely independent prior to 2003. Israel probably could have established an airbase back then. But, more importantly, do you feel an Israeli attack on Iran, a country seeking nukes that has repeatedly threatened Israel, would be unwarranted?

[parky76]

The more Iran says crap about Israel, the less paranoid Israel seems and the more pragmatic their pro-war stance becomes.

Ahmedinajad is fanning the flames of war and he just might get it.

[MaGZ]

One of those senators was Patrick Leahy who (two and a half years later) voted AGAINST giving Bush authorization to attack Iraq. Guess he wasn't sufficiently terrorized, eh?

Senator Leahy was targeted by the Israelis because of his Leahy Law which would limit Israel’s ability to acquire US weapons due to her human rights violations.

From,
The Anthrax Mystery: Solved
http://irish-nationalism.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2082


Likewise, Senator Patrick Leahy ran afoul of the Israelis when he introduced his Leahy Amendment to the Foreign Operations Appropriations Act. The Leahy Amendment, also called the Leahy Law, prohibits American arms sales to foreign security or military units that systematically violate human rights. The Israeli military routinely tortures Palestinian prisoners, assassinates Arab political figures, and fires American-made rockets and missiles into civilian crowds and apartment buildings. If an American administration ever decided to enforce the Leahy Law, Israel would find herself under an arms embargo. Eliminating or ‘turning’ her Senatorial adversaries—a gamble she couldn’t lose— would be powerful motives for Israel to target Senators Daschle and Leahy for political assassination by anthrax.

[parky76]

Once again, MaGz has ZERO proof. All he has is his anti-Semitic accusations. For those who hate Jews...there is nothing the Jews arent guilty of.

Tell us, MaGz, if the Jews were soo good at blaiming 9-11 on the Muslems, why didnt they do the same with anthrax attacks?

[MaGZ]

Well at least you are now manning up and accusing all Jews and not still hiding behind the "anti-Zionist" cover any longer. One should always be open with their anti-semitism.



My questions stands as to how Iraq was threatening to Israel. If Iraq had no WMD's and Israel knew this, then they know Iraq is not a threat. If Iraq had no WMD's and Israel did not know this, then the claim that Invading Iraq was baseless looks less solid as one of the worlds best intelligence agencies was as mistaken as the CIA seems to have been and Iraq would have been a viable threat to Israel. If Iraq had WMD's and Israel knew it (and we just haven't found them yet, or they were destroyed during the invasion) then the invasion wasn't baseless and again Iraq is a viable threat to Israel. If Iraq had WMD's and Israel did not know it, then Iraq was still a viable threat even if Israel didn't know it.

So which is it?


Removing Iraq as a military threat to Israel has been a ongoing project since the start of the Persian Gulf War. I think the Israelis approached the first President Bush and told him to take care of Sadam and his military buildup or Israel would do it herself. Bush said he would take care of it thinking that if he did Israel a favor then perhaps they would agree to make peace with the Palestinians. Someone in the first Bush Administration came up with the idea of baiting Sadam into invading Kuwait and the rest is history.
It is all about Israel using the American military to further her national security objectives.

[MaGZ]

Kurdistan was largely independent prior to 2003. Israel probably could have established an airbase back then. But, more importantly, do you feel an Israeli attack on Iran, a country seeking nukes that has repeatedly threatened Israel, would be unwarranted?

Now, I do not think anything can be done to prevent Iran from getting nukes. Their facilities are too dispersed and harden. An attack by Israel or the US would do no good other than spiking the price of oil.

[MaGZ]

Once again, MaGz has ZERO proof. All he has is his anti-Semitic accusations. For those who hate Jews...there is nothing the Jews arent guilty of.

Tell us, MaGz, if the Jews were soo good at blaiming 9-11 on the Muslems, why didnt they do the same with anthrax attacks?

al-Qaeda did 9/11 and the Mossad did the anthrax attacks.

[Travis]

Removing Iraq as a military threat to Israel has been a ongoing project since the start of the Persian Gulf War. I think the Israelis approached the first President Bush and told him to take care of Sadam and his military buildup or Israel would do it herself.

But Israel did do something about it, read up on Operation Opera.

Bush said he would take care of it thinking that if he did Israel a favor then perhaps they would agree to make peace with the Palestinians.

Sure, it's all up to Israel, if only they'd say, 'hey, let's make peace' the Palestinians would be all over it, peace would reign and we'd all dance on a hill and buy the world a Coke.

Someone in the first Bush Administration came up with the idea of baiting Sadam into invading Kuwait and the rest is history.
It is all about Israel using the American military to further her national security objectives.

America baited Iraq into invading Kuwait. That's a good one, your evidence of this is?????

[The Doc]

*Checks watch*

How long until the false-flag? :p

[The Great Hairy One]

*Checks watch*

How long until the false-flag? :p


15 minutes 17 seconds! ZOMG, TO THE NWO BUNKER NOW!!!

Cheers,
TGHO

[MaGZ]

America baited Iraq into invading Kuwait. That's a good one, your evidence of this is?????

April Glaspie gave Sadam the green light
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie

Margaret Tutwiler gave Sadam the green light

A week before Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, Baker's spokesperson, Margaret Tutwiler and Assistant Secretary of State John Kelly both stated publicly that "the United States was not obligated to come to Kuwait's aid if it were attacked." (Santa Barbara News-Press September 24, 1990 cited in [1]).
http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/iraqkuwait.html

Also, I will add that a caller on a CSPAN program–which I was viewing at the time–who identified herself as a wife of an American diplomat in Europe said that American ambassadors, before the invasion of Kuwait, were instructed by the State Department to ‘warm up" to Iraqi ambassadors in their respective countries. They were told to invite the Iraqi ambassadors into their homes and to be friendly towards them. This was another attempt by the State Department in giving another green light to invade Kuwait.

Sadam was baited to invade Kuwait. After the invasion George Bush would later call Sadam worse than Hitler.

[gumboot]

Well, if you think about it, the European Powers gave Hitler the green light to invade Poland...

Sudatenland, Rheinland, Czechoslovakia, Reunification with Austria...

-Gumboot

[parky76]

al-Qaeda did 9/11 and the Mossad did the anthrax attacks.

Im glad you acknowledge that Al Qaeda was responcible for 9-11. It show you have some of your brain remaining.

But once again, for the 10th time, what direct evidence do you have that Israel or an Israeli source was responsible for the anthrax.

And if you don't, why do you persist in making a fool of yourself by making claims that can't be backed up? The only people who believe you are anti-Semites and gullible morons, who will just as easily be UN-convinced.

Seriously, either PROVE that the anthrax strain could NOT have come from anywhere else BUT Israel, or PROVE that the letters were sent by an Israeli, or stop wasting our time. Cause thats all you're doing.

[parky76]

Well, if you think about it, the European Powers gave Hitler the green light to invade Poland...

Sudatenland, Rheinland, Czechoslovakia, Reunification with Austria...

-Gumboot

that was just a Zionist trick, so that Judea could then declare war on Germania. :D

[MaGZ]

Actually, the Jews did declare war on Germany.

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

[parky76]

And the proven result of this boycott is?

Either way, the Holocaust shows that this boycott was well deserved and had it been more effective, perhaps Hitler would have toned down his rhetoric, not started WW2, and 50 million people would still be alive today.

Anti-semites love to blaim everyone for WW2 but Hitler. I guess he was just a misunderstood German patriot huh?

[Travis]

Stating "the United States was not obligated to come to Kuwait's aid if it were attacked" is hardly baiting, more like stating something that was true. The US was not obligated to come to Kuwait's aid, as there were no preexisting alliances or promises to do so. Kind of like how the US is not obligated to come to Kazakhstan's aid should it be invaded by the PRC. That does not mean the US wouldn't assist Kazakhstan, just that it isn't obligated to.

Fact is that for many months US troops poured into Saudi Arabia as part of Operation Desert Shield which was a defensive operation in case Iraq came south into Saudi Arabia, a country the US did have a preexisting understanding of mutual military support with. Only much later did CENTCOM, on orders, draw up plans for the liberation of Kuwait, something that required an almost doubling of the size of the US forces in the gulf region.

[Slayhamlet]

April Glaspie gave Sadam the green light
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Glaspie

Margaret Tutwiler gave Sadam the green light
http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/iraqkuwait.html

Also, I will add that a caller on a CSPAN program–which I was viewing at the time–who identified herself as a wife of an American diplomat in Europe said that American ambassadors, before the invasion of Kuwait, were instructed by the State Department to ‘warm up" to Iraqi ambassadors in their respective countries. They were told to invite the Iraqi ambassadors into their homes and to be friendly towards them. This was another attempt by the State Department in giving another green light to invade Kuwait.

Sadam was baited to invade Kuwait. After the invasion George Bush would later call Sadam worse than Hitler.

No. There was no "green light" to invade Iraq. All your sources are speculations about a "conciliatory tone", which is a far cry from giving a "green light". James Baker's spokesperson saying that the U.S. was not obligated by treaty to retaliate against an Iraqi invasion of Kuwait proves nothing, since it wasn't. Furthermore, nothing indicates that Glaspie OK'ed any sort of military action by Iraq. What she said was that U.S. takes no official position on border disputes between friendly countries, which is the typical diplomatic line and in no way indicates that border disputes are to be resolved with military force. She expressly told Saddam that only a peaceful resolution to the dispute was acceptable. Saddam was under no illusions about what the American response would be.

Joseph Wilson, who was the Chargé d'Affaires in Baghdad at the time of Operation Desert Shield and Glaspie's deputy chief of mission (you know the guy who is currently in a public row with GWB), disagrees with you.

Tariq Aziz, Saddam's Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister at the time, disagrees with you:
Q: In April, what was your assessment of what the Americans would do--what was April Glaspie saying?

Aziz: She didn't tell us anything strange. She didn't tell us in the sense that we concluded that the Americans will not retaliate. That was nonsense you see. It was nonsense to think that the Americans would not attack us. In the early hours of the 2nd of August, the whole apparatus of the leadership took precautions for an American speedy immediate retaliation.

Source (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gulf/oral/aziz/1.html)

[gumboot]

Actually, the Jews did declare war on Germany.

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html



Your anti-semitism is disgusting.



The article in question was not about a declaration of war, but a Jewish boycott on trade with Germany, in response to the passing of the Enabling Act in the Reichstag the day before, which gave Hitler and his cabinet the power to pass laws outside of parliament.

This "declares war" headline ran only in this particular mass market newspaper - a forerunner of the British sensationalist tabloid press.

-Gumboot

[MaGZ]

Stating "the United States was not obligated to come to Kuwait's aid if it were attacked" is hardly baiting, more like stating something that was true. The US was not obligated to come to Kuwait's aid, as there were no preexisting alliances or promises to do so. Kind of like how the US is not obligated to come to Kazakhstan's aid should it be invaded by the PRC. That does not mean the US wouldn't assist Kazakhstan, just that it isn't obligated to.

Fact is that for many months US troops poured into Saudi Arabia as part of Operation Desert Shield which was a defensive operation in case Iraq came south into Saudi Arabia, a country the US did have a preexisting understanding of mutual military support with. Only much later did CENTCOM, on orders, draw up plans for the liberation of Kuwait, something that required an almost doubling of the size of the US forces in the gulf region.

The Saudis were fooled by Dick Cheney in accepting US troops into that country. Cheney showed the Saudis rulers fake satellite photos of Iraqi troops along the border ready to invade Saudi Arabia.

[MaGZ]

Your anti-semitism is disgusting.



The article in question was not about a declaration of war, but a Jewish boycott on trade with Germany, in response to the passing of the Enabling Act in the Reichstag the day before, which gave Hitler and his cabinet the power to pass laws outside of parliament.

This "declares war" headline ran only in this particular mass market newspaper - a forerunner of the British sensationalist tabloid press.

-Gumboot

Isn’t it interesting that the boycott of NS Germany in the past, parallels the attempt to isolate Iran today. Again the Jews were/are behind both.

[gumboot]

Isn’t it interesting that the boycott of NS Germany in the past, parallels the attempt to isolate Iran today. Again the Jews were/are behind both.


I guess the poor Iranians will have no choice but to start World War Three and exterminate some more of those mean nasty Jews.

Or is that just your wet dream?

-Gumboot

[Travis]

The Saudis were fooled by Dick Cheney in accepting US troops into that country. Cheney showed the Saudis rulers fake satellite photos of Iraqi troops along the border ready to invade Saudi Arabia.

Strange how Iraq was able to invade Saudi Arabia and take the city of Khafji with those forces that weren't there.

What's your evidence that there were faked satellite images? Do you deny that Saddam made many threatening statements regarding Saudi Arabia, declaring it an illegitimate guardian of Mecca and Medina? Do you feel Saudi Arabia could have defended itself without the US forces present?

[parky76]

MaGz- would you prefer we allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, give it to terrorists, and have it blow up in an American city? But wait, then you could blaim it on the Jews. So I guess your answer is yes.

[Slayhamlet]

MaGz- would you prefer we allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, give it to terrorists, and have it blow up in an American city? But wait, then you could blaim it on the Jews. So I guess your answer is yes.

The funny thing is that he thinks Israelis and Jews are the only ones who fear what a nuclear-armed Iran might do. The Saudis, Jordanians, and Egyptians aren't exactly thrilled with the prospect either. But I guess they're all just Jew-lovers to MaGz.

[Darth Rotor]

The more Iran says crap about Israel, the less paranoid Israel seems and the more pragmatic their pro-war stance becomes.

Do you realize that Mahmoud can be fired by the mullahs pretty much any day, if he steps too far into the dog doo?

DR

[MaGZ]

Strange how Iraq was able to invade Saudi Arabia and take the city of Khafji with those forces that weren't there.

What's your evidence that there were faked satellite images? Do you deny that Saddam made many threatening statements regarding Saudi Arabia, declaring it an illegitimate guardian of Mecca and Medina? Do you feel Saudi Arabia could have defended itself without the US forces present?

It turned out that the "Iraqi troops satellite photos" were fake
http://www.representativepress.org/LiesAboutIraq.html

[gumboot]

It turned out that the "Iraqi troops satellite photos" were fake
http://www.representativepress.org/LiesAboutIraq.html


Is it worth pointing out that Jean Heller got her photos from a Russian company?

-Gumboot

[Travis]

It turned out that the "Iraqi troops satellite photos" were fake
http://www.representativepress.org/LiesAboutIraq.html

Wow, I haven't read so many untruths about the Gulf War since I read Addicted to War (which is a horrible horrible book by the way).

If their premise is true, that there were little to no Iraqi forces present, then why not just use a Marine amphibious force to go in and get Iraq out? Iraq did invade Kuwait with the intent to annex it or do you deny that as well? It seems the article's author thinks Iraq was justified in doing so and America had some other reason for going to war. Just what would that be?

Also the article blames America for the deaths of the people Saddam let starve under sanctions while he built palaces. Hardly logical even if the number of people that starved to death was a million, which is as dubious a figure as the Lancet's claim that 600,000 have been killed during Iraqi Freedom. I mean between the hundreds of thousands killed in the uprisings, the million dead from the Iraq/Iran war, the supposed hundreds of thousands killed in Desert Storm, the million dead from sanctions and now the 600,000+ dead from Iraqi Freedom, Iraq apparently has hardly anyone left!

But what really makes me angry is I wanted to see those whistle blower images!

[Travis]

Okay I feel compelled to point out that Lancet survey only claimed that it was 600,000+ "excessive deaths" not "war fatalities."

[gumboot]

Okay I feel compelled to point out that Lancet survey only claimed that it was 600,000+ "excessive deaths" not "war fatalities."


I have seen UN estimates of 2 million deaths as a result of Saddam's regime 1991 - 2003, of which many are those lumped in with sanctions because they died of disease, sickness, and starvation (mainly children).

Of course there's a minor problem with this theory, in that the UN sanctions never applied to medical supplies or food, and that during the invasion of Iraq coalition forces discovered Baathist warehouses absolutely brimming with massive amounts of food.

-Gumboot

[Travis]

I have seen UN estimates of 2 million deaths as a result of Saddam's regime 1991 - 2003, of which many are those lumped in with sanctions because they died of disease, sickness, and starvation (mainly children).

Of course there's a minor problem with this theory, in that the UN sanctions never applied to medical supplies or food, and that during the invasion of Iraq coalition forces discovered Baathist warehouses absolutely brimming with massive amounts of food.

-Gumboot

You are correct. I just went and looked that up.

[Hans]

People often misunderstand "death rates". 56,000,000 million people die each year.

The standard nowdays is a rate of .883% per year per person or otherwords 1 out of 113 people will die this year.

That is about 7,000 Americans a week. Iraq's population is 1/12 of the US so you can figure out how many people should 'normally' die anyway per year.

[JonnyFive]

Welcome to the forum, Hans.

People often misunderstand "death rates". 56,000,000 million people die each year.

It's funny because when read it literally, you're saying that 56 trillion people (56 million million) die every year. ;)

I'm kidding, of course. You make an excellent point.

The standard nowdays is a rate of .883% per year per person or otherwords 1 out of 113 people will die this year.

That is about 7,000 Americans a week. Iraq's population is 1/12 of the US so you can figure out how many people should 'normally' die anyway per year.

Although that "sounds about right," I'd be interested to know if that average factor varies from country to country, and what is considered to be a death that's a part of the "normal" baseline.

If you could provide a source for the figures, that would be great.

[gtc]

Although that "sounds about right," I'd be interested to know if that average factor varies from country to country, and what is considered to be a death that's a part of the "normal" baseline.

It would as it must depend on life expectancy.

[gumboot]

According to Wikipedia Iraq's mortality rate is 5.26, which puts it well below many countries including the USA.

I imagine an aspect of that is because Iraq has a much younger population than most western countries, and the death rate for older people is always much higher, thus skewing the statistics.

(Western Europe, for example, is in the 9 - 10 range, almost double Iraq's death rate).

-Gumboot

[JonnyFive]

It would as it must depend on life expectancy.

Yes, that's true. Now that I think about it, I phrased it in kind of bone-headed way.

I was wondering, more specifically, if that factor is an average for all countries, just some countries, or an estimate based on some other factors.