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Skeptic Ginger
26th April 2007, 02:17 AM
Split from the Gonzales scandal thread, "Scandal puts spotlight on Christian law school". (http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2007/04/08/scandal_puts_spotlight_on_christian_law_school/?page=1)

Bush has put 150 of these new grads from a barely accredited Christian law school in his administration.

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- The title of the course was Constitutional Law, but the subject was sin. Before any casebooks were opened, a student led his classmates in a 10-minute devotional talk, completed with "amens," about the need to preserve their Christian values.

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One of those graduates is Monica Goodling , the former top aide to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales who is at the center of the storm over the firing of US attorneys. Goodling, who resigned on Friday, has become the face of Regent overnight -- and drawn a harsh spotlight to the administration's hiring of officials educated at smaller, conservative schools with sometimes marginal academic reputations.

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"It used to be that high-level DOJ jobs were generally reserved for the best of the legal profession," wrote a contributor to The New Republic website . ". . . That a recent graduate of one of the very worst (and sketchiest) law schools with virtually no relevant experience could ascend to this position is a sure sign that there is something seriously wrong at the DOJ."

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"We've had great placement," said Jay Sekulow , who heads a non profit law firm based at Regent that files lawsuits aimed at lowering barriers between church and state. "We've had a lot of people in key positions." ... Their path to employment was further eased in late 2002, when John Ashcroft , then attorney general, changed longstanding rules for hiring lawyers to fill vacancies in the career ranks.

Previously, veteran civil servants screened applicants and recommended whom to hire, usually picking top students from elite schools.

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As the dean of a lower-ranked law school that benefited from the Bush administration's hiring practices, Jeffrey Brauch of Regent made no apologies in a recent interview for training students to understand what the law is today, and also to understand how legal rules should be changed to better reflect "eternal principles of justice," from divorce laws to abortion rights.

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Seven years ago, 60 percent of the class of 1999 -- Goodling's class -- failed the bar exam on the first attempt. (Goodling's performance was not available, though she is admitted to the bar in Virginia.) The dismal numbers prompted the school to overhaul its curriculum and tighten admissions standards ... The bar exam passage rate of Regent alumni , according to the Princeton Review, rose to 67 percent last year. Brauch said it is now up to 71 percent, and that half of the students admitted in the late 1990s would not be accepted today.

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n light of Regent's rapid evolution, some current law students say it is frustrating to be judged in light of Regent alumni from the school's more troubled era -- including Goodling.

One third-year student, Chamie Riley , said she rejected the idea that any government official who invokes her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination could be a good representative of Regent.

As Christians, she said, Regent students know "you should be morally upright. You should not be in a situation where you have to plead the Fifth."Could things possibly get any worse with this administration?

And from Slate we have, How Pat Robertson's law school is changing America. (http://www.slate.com/id/2163601/)...A former career official there told the Washington Post that Goodling "forced many very talented, career people out of main Justice so she could replace them with junior people that were either loyal to the administration or would score her some points."

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Goodling is only one of 150 graduates of Regent University currently serving in this administration, as Regent's Web site proclaims proudly, a huge number for a 29-year-old school. Regent estimates that "approximately one out of every six Regent alumni is employed in some form of government work." And that's precisely what its founder desired. The school's motto is "Christian Leadership To Change the World," and the world seems to be changing apace. Former Attorney General John Ashcroft teaches at Regent, and graduates have achieved senior positions in the Bush administration. The express goal is not only to tear down the wall between church and state in America (a "lie of the left," according to Robertson) but also to enmesh the two...

From the school's own web page: (http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/dean/vision.cfm)... we thoroughly integrate a Christian perspective in the classroom. We are committed to the proposition that there is truth--eternal principles of justice--about the way we should practice law and about the law itself. ... As you consider attending a law school, I encourage you to think about a legal education that recognizes the critical role the Christian faith should play in our legal system and your professional life. I trust that in so doing, you will be drawn to Regent Law for your legal studies.

There's a lot more in the Slate article but I can't take any more right now. It's so disgusting it's overwhelming.

Dr Adequate
26th April 2007, 03:01 AM
A Christian law school, hey?

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

--- 1 Corinthians 6:1-7

Mephisto
26th April 2007, 06:49 AM
Proof that George W. Bush receives his inspiration from a "higher father."

The Lord works in mysterious ways. ;)

hgc
26th April 2007, 07:48 AM
Proof that George W. Bush receives his inspiration from a "higher father."


Jack Daniels.

cbish
26th April 2007, 11:21 AM
It would be funny if it wasn't so gross! I saw on the Military Channel that one of Hitler's problems was that he went with party loyalty over competancy in placing people in important positions.

corplinx
26th April 2007, 11:26 AM
How do you get 150 students from a diploma mill into the executive branch without anyone noticing until now?

This is just retarded and the administration should be ashamed. Bush has the whole Reagan-like delegation vs micromanagement thing going on but its no excuse. If you manage by exception, you have to look for exceptions.

hgc
26th April 2007, 11:47 AM
How do you get 150 students from a diploma mill into the executive branch without anyone noticing until now?

This is just retarded and the administration should be ashamed. Bush has the whole Reagan-like delegation vs micromanagement thing going on but its no excuse. If you manage by exception, you have to look for exceptions.


How it happened has a 2 layer answer. First the Director of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management is formerly the Dean of the School of Government of Regent University, Kay Coles James. She might have turned on the spigot. But the bigger issue here is that this administration seems to want to fill positions with consideration for political fealty first and competence or qualifications last. Political fealty in this administration means Christianist.

Brown
26th April 2007, 12:17 PM
A Christian law school, hey?

Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

--- 1 Corinthians 6:1-7If you want to hear it from the big guy Himself:

Luke 11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.
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Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Jesus's tirade is deemed to be part of the "lost gospel" of Q.

Dr Adequate
26th April 2007, 01:16 PM
Yeees ... but I have the impression that by "lawyers" Jesus is referring to the contemporary teachers and interpreters of religious law, whereas St Paul is talking about the civil code.

Charlie Monoxide
26th April 2007, 01:25 PM
It would be funny if it wasn't so gross! I saw on the Military Channel that one of Hitler's problems was that he went with party loyalty over competancy in placing people in important positions.Thank jeebus he did. Germany might have been the first nuclear country and we all would be speaking German today ....

Charlie (gott in himmel!) Monoxide

PS kinda reminds me of "Man in a High Castle"

Dr Adequate
26th April 2007, 01:37 PM
"In a recent Regent law school newsletter, a 2004 graduate described being interviewed for a job as a trial attorney at the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division in October 2003. Asked to name the Supreme Court decision from the past 20 years with which he most disagreed, he cited Lawrence v. Texas, the ruling striking down a law against sodomy because it violated gay people's civil rights.

"When one of the interviewers agreed and said that decision in Lawrence was 'maddening,' I knew I correctly answered the question," wrote the Regent graduate . The administration hired him for the Civil Rights Division's housing section -- the only employment offer he received after graduation, he said."

ponderingturtle
26th April 2007, 02:28 PM
"In a recent Regent law school newsletter, a 2004 graduate described being interviewed for a job as a trial attorney at the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division in October 2003. Asked to name the Supreme Court decision from the past 20 years with which he most disagreed, he cited Lawrence v. Texas, the ruling striking down a law against sodomy because it violated gay people's civil rights.

"When one of the interviewers agreed and said that decision in Lawrence was 'maddening,' I knew I correctly answered the question," wrote the Regent graduate . The administration hired him for the Civil Rights Division's housing section -- the only employment offer he received after graduation, he said."

And people say talks of right wing conspiracies are mythical.

Skeptic Ginger
26th April 2007, 02:39 PM
How it happened has a 2 layer answer. First the Director of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management is formerly the Dean of the School of Government of Regent University, Kay Coles James. She might have turned on the spigot. But the bigger issue here is that this administration seems to want to fill positions with consideration for political fealty first and competence or qualifications last. Political fealty in this administration means Christianist.Ashcroft first, Cole second.

And guess who is now a professor at the Law School?

hgc
26th April 2007, 03:16 PM
Best Godwin ever: Regent U is the Hitler Youth of the Bush regime.

Michael Redman
26th April 2007, 03:51 PM
My grandmother told me I should go to Pat Robertson's law school. I didn't even know he had one. I told her no, thanks, Pat Robertson is evil.

Stupid me. I could have been a US Attorney by now.

Brown
27th April 2007, 02:03 AM
Yeees ... but I have the impression that by "lawyers" Jesus is referring to the contemporary teachers and interpreters of religious law, whereas St Paul is talking about the civil code.A reasonable interpretation, since such individuals were certainly the target of his criticism. But Jesus also specifically singled out the Pharisees and scribes (Luke 11:42-44) before singling out lawyers, so a case could be made that Jesus was addressing Jewish lawyers in general, not merely religious legalists. However, the version of the tirade in Matthew 23 suggests that religious legalists were the principal target of the criticism, and there are no potshots at lawyers.