Pentagon evidence spreadsheet

[Gamolon]

Unless this has been done already, here is what I am proposing:

With the amount of eyewitness testimony, physical evidence (or lack of), and theories that are trying to be proven, I would like to put together a spreadsheet containing all data pertaining to the Pentagon attack of 9/11.

As an example, here is the format of the spreadsheet. Right now a have a heading labeled "Flight Path". Below that I have a column labeled "North Side Claim" and to the right a column labeled "South Side Claim". Beneath each of those I have "Physical Evidence" and "Eyewitness Evidence"

So, for example, beneath the "South Side Claim" under "Physical Evidence", I have "Light poles knocked down". Under "Eyewitness Evidence" I have "Lloyd England".

For the "North Side Claim" under "Eyewitness Evidence" I have officers Lagasse and Brooks.

Would this be helpful to show a side by side comparison of evidence?

What other headlines besides "Flight Path" would be helpful?

Any ideas/suggestions are welcome.

[HyJinX]

Do you believe the plane flew on the North side of the station...as Lyte would have you believe?

[Undesired Walrus]

Unless this has been done already, here is what I am proposing:

With the amount of eyewitness testimony, physical evidence (or lack of), and theories that are trying to be proven, I would like to put together a spreadsheet containing all data pertaining to the Pentagon attack of 9/11.

As an example, here is the format of the spreadsheet. Right now a have a heading labeled "Flight Path". Below that I have a column labeled "North Side Claim" and to the right a column labeled "South Side Claim". Beneath each of those I have "Physical Evidence" and "Eyewitness Evidence"

So, for example, beneath the "South Side Claim" under "Physical Evidence", I have "Light poles knocked down". Under "Eyewitness Evidence" I have "Lloyd England".

For the "North Side Claim" under "Eyewitness Evidence" I have officers Lagasse and Brooks.

Would this be helpful to show a side by side comparison of evidence?

What other headlines besides "Flight Path" would be helpful?

Any ideas/suggestions are welcome.

Cant we end it with this here? http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html

[Gamolon]

Do you believe the plane flew on the North side of the station...as Lyte would have you believe?

No sir.

[CurtC]

What about the stunning lack of evidence of any of the dozens of witnesses seeing guys planting broken light poles on the roadway, or plane parts on the lawn?

[Gamolon]

Cant we end it with this here? http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html

If it's that easy then why are folks still arguing with Lyte about the whole ordeal? Why not just post this link over and over and not keep arguing with him?

[Gamolon]

What about the stunning lack of evidence of any of the dozens of witnesses seeing guys planting broken light poles on the roadway, or plane parts on the lawn?

That would be my point in all this. There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence for the official story and not very much for the conspiracies.

I would just like to see a side by side comparison. Maybe Lyte (or others) would see the Lyte.

[twinstead]

If it's that easy then why are folks still arguing with Lyte about the whole ordeal? Why not just post this link over and over and not keep arguing with him?

Sadly, the Ghost of Christmas Past could grab Lyte's hand and take him back in time to that morning and let him watch for himself, and if the plane hit the Pentagon he STILL wouldn't believe it.

The spreadsheet you suggest would actually be helpful, but not to change Lyte's mind; he always has known of the lopsided evidence table. He doesn't care.

[Gamolon]

Sadly, the Ghost of Christmas Past could grab Lyte's hand and take him back in time to that morning and let him watch for himself, and if the plane hit the Pentagon he STILL wouldn't believe it.

The spreadsheet you suggest would actually be helpful, but not to change Lyte's mind; he always has known of the lopsided evidence table. He doesn't care.

Ah. I just noticed that you are a fellow Clevelandite. I feel more at home now.

:D

[twinstead]

Ah. I just noticed that you are a fellow Clevelandite. I feel more at home now.

:D

Cool. Bedfordite to be exact, but we DO need to stick together ;)

[CurtC]

Maybe that spreadsheet (or an HTML table would be more accessible) should have as its rows, the pieces of evidence that we have, then have a separate column for how Lyte's theory explains each, and a column for how the official version explains each.

For example, for the light poles row, you'd have Lyte's explanation that someone would have had to damage those poles and put them on the roadway while thousands of cameras are pointed that direction. In the next column, you simply have that AA77 knocked them down as it passed by.

Another row would be about the direction of the damage inside the Pentagon. Lyte's column would explain that the perps planted the bombs and the debris evidence along that line, presumably because it was the intended heading. Out column says that the physical damage follows the path of the plane.

Officers Brooks and Lagasse's testimony that they recalled the plane flying to the North of the Citgo, on the other hand, would look worse for us. Lyte's column would say they recalled correctly, ours would say that their five year old memory was mistaken. I guess you'd also need a footnote about how Lagasse recalled the plane's path being directly above Lloyd's taxi, but he placed those at the wrong place.

[Gamolon]

Cool. Bedfordite to be exact, but we DO need to stick together ;)

:D

Brunswickite here.

[FactCheck]

I've always found it monumentally absurd that EVERYONE in the pentagon, some who were almost killed, would stand around silently as people placed airliner parts around the building. We are to believe all the people in the pentagon are martyrs for the neo-con cause. Even the people on the ground who were driving by were in on it. At least they are helping mass murderers. How do you approach someone with this idea? "Pisst... Would you mind if we rammed an airliner into the building where you work? It's for corporations like Halliburnton, you understand right? If you don't die, just don't tell anyone we trucked in the airliner parts OK?" FEAKING ABSURD!!!

[Gravy]

You're welcome to use the info in this spreadsheet (http://tinyurl.com/23nhm9) of mine. I've been using this data for occasional Pentagon witness updates (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2546838&postcount=13).

These were the primary witness quote lists I used: List 1 (http://tinyurl.com/ksnb9) – List 2 (http://tinyurl.com/ojcwl) – List 3 (http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0082_b_They%20saw%20the%20aircraft.htm) – List 4 (http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/sgydk.html) – List 5 (http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77penta04.html) – More (http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/08-23-2004/facts.htm%20). Other sources are listed in the spreadsheet comments column.

I've addressed what I think is the major conspiracist claim: that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon. I think the north side/south side difference is a silly distraction promoted by a few delusionites who are self-debunking.

[Gamolon]

You're welcome to use the info in this spreadsheet (http://tinyurl.com/23nhm9) of mine. I've been using this data for occasional Pentagon witness updates (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2546838&postcount=13).

These were the primary witness quote lists I used: List 1 (http://tinyurl.com/ksnb9) – List 2 (http://tinyurl.com/ojcwl) – List 3 (http://mouv4x8.club.fr/11Sept01/A0082_b_They%20saw%20the%20aircraft.htm) – List 4 (http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/sgydk.html) – List 5 (http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/F77penta04.html) – More (http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/08-23-2004/facts.htm%20). Other sources are listed in the spreadsheet comments column.

I've addressed what I think is the major conspiracist claim: that flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon. I think the north side/south side difference is a silly distraction promoted by a few delusionites who are self-debunking.

Thank you sir. That's awesome.

I asked this in another thread. Has anyone from "our camp" ever interviewed/emailed any of Lyte's eyewitnesses to ask our questions?

[Undesired Walrus]

If it's that easy then why are folks still arguing with Lyte about the whole ordeal? Why not just post this link over and over and not keep arguing with him?

It was more a rhetorical question. A sort of "Why God".:)

[Gamolon]

It was more a rhetorical question. A sort of "Why God".:)

Ah. My bad.

My apologies.

:D

[beachnut]

Thank you sir. That's awesome.

I asked this in another thread. Has anyone from "our camp" ever interviewed/emailed any of Lyte's eyewitnesses to ask our questions?

Some of his witnesses have statements that debunk everything Lyte says, over 5 years ago.

This is where Lyte's witnesses can be found debunking his whole theory five years before he even started to tell lies about 9/11. Ironic. These guys went through a tough event and it is fresh 5 years ago. Hear the guys who responded first on 9/11 at the Pentagon tell the story of flight 77 and the Pentagon. Not clouded by 5 years of tough memories.

http://memory.loc.gov/learn/collecti...1/history.html (http://memory.loc.gov/learn/collections/sept11/history.html)

American Airlines Flight 77 from Washington-Dulles International Airport crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. William Lagasse, Chadwick Brooks, and Donald Brennan were Pentagon police officers on duty at the time of the attack. Lagasse was in the process of refueling his police car when the American Airliner flew past him so low that its wind blast knocked him into his vehicle. In an interview conducted in December 2001 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/afc911bib:@field(DOCID+@lit(afc911000152))) , Lagasse described the secondary explosions and the search and recovery of injured Pentagon personnel. Brooks saw the hijacked plane clip lampposts and nosedive into the Pentagon and described the ensuing scenes of chaos in his interview (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/afc911bib:@field(DOCID+@lit(afc911000150))), taped November 25, 2001.

His witnesses prove his video wrong.

[Calcas]

Did Lyte Trip always maintain that it was NOT AA77 that his witnesses saw fly north of Citgo?

Lyte Trip today at lcf.

"We do not believe for a second that AA77 flew over or impacted the Pentagon."

This was in a thread speculating that AA77 was "lost" by the Controllers and was never in the area of the Pentacon. So now Lyte's theory is that it was ANOTHER plane (not AA77) that his witnesses saw north of Citgo?

[uk_dave]

Did Lyte Trip always maintain that it was NOT AA77 that his witnesses saw fly north of Citgo?

Lyte Trip today at lcf.

"We do not believe for a second that AA77 flew over or impacted the Pentagon."

This was in a thread speculating that AA77 was "lost" by the Controllers and was never in the area of the Pentacon. So now Lyte's theory is that it was ANOTHER plane (not AA77) that his witnesses saw north of Citgo?



Of course.

C'mon, it's not hard to work out......

Pentacon is released after much fanfare to massive amounts of derision from both the skeptics and the 'truthers'.

Prominent amongst the 'truthers' are Russell Pickering and young Dylan Avery.

After much bickering with both Pickering and Avery the CIT (both of them) decide that they can go it alone. Fame and fortune beckons.

Nothing happens.

Interest wanes.

So a different tact is required.

First, a concerted campaign to get the Pentacon back up to the top of the various 'truther' and skeptic forum.

Then, some bridge building.

We'll have a bit of Pickerings "remote controlled" plane and a snippet of Averys "wasn't flight 77"

Of course, they'd be better employed getting the bloody researchers edition finished.

Wonder how that's comin along.......