Has Bush Doomed 9-11 Truth to Succeed?

[parky76]

Here is another semi-random thought I had on the subway home tonight.

All of Bush's lies, screw ups, dishonest deeds, only make the American people more prone to believing 9-11 conspiracy theories.

With the lack of WMD's in Iraq or a nuclear program, the lies about Tillman and Jessica Lynch, the lies and deceit regarding the Justice Dept. firings, Valerie Plame, etc etc...I fear the American people have become soo distrusting of the Bush administration that the idea that they also carried out 9-11 will not be too far of a jump.

I and most people at JREF understand that lieing about WMD's and outing Valerie Plame has zero to do with staging 9-11, but to many Americans, the legacy and track record of b.s. at the hands of the Bush administration may lead them to say "well hey...why not believe they did 9-11...they've been lieing about everything else..why not that too?".

I pray that the American people are smarter then this and will be able to discern between real lies and deceit...and made up lies and deceit. But every new scandal and evidence of crap at the hands of Bush only makes our fight......much much more difficult. Bush is clearly not our ally in this war for truth.

[Triterope]

The Bush adminstration getting caught in all these real-world shenanigans is a strong argument AGAINST them executing a 9-11 conspiracy.

To do so requires us to believe that Bush and cronies staged 9-11 and framed the entire Middle East without a hitch, but they get caught every time they try to cover up minor stuff like spy outings, embellished heroine stories, friendly-fire deaths, and friendly-fire non-deaths.

[gumboot]

I think the mainstream media is what will propagate 9/11 Conspiracy Theories. The media distorts what happens and the public only remember that distorted version of events.

Example includes Jessica Lynch's rescue. The Pentagon didn't invent the hero story. The media did. And now the media have invented another story - that The Pentagon invented the first one. And these media fairy tales are so convincing that even the main characters believe them - Jessica Lynch seems to honestly believe The Pentagon tried to turn her into a huge hero. This simply is not true.

For what it's worth, the same thing happens all over the world. The Media's MO has de-evolved to the point where all they do is invent. They build heroes, then tear them down as fake idols, then blame someone else for building the hero, then they blame someone else for tearing them down. They're fabricating stories for themselves, and 9/11 is a fertile topic for their inventions. They'll keep that fire alive for a long long time.

(I hate the media)

-Gumboot

[~enigma~]

Not exactly the current administration but Clinton's administration couldn't even cover up a damn b[rule8] but this administration could pull off and cover up the worrst attack on US soil in history? Am I the guy on painkillers?

[parky76]

I agree that the last 7 years doesn't really show an administration capable of staging such a coordinated event...but I still think the mass amount of lies and only feeds into the conspiracy theory mindset.

Personally, I am asking people to not trust Bush when it comes to Iraq, Hurricane Katrinia, Enron, Valeria Plame, GITMO, etc...but I am asking them to trust Bush when it comes to 9-11. Oy....thats a hard battle to fight.

[~enigma~]

I agree that the last 7 years doesn't really show an administration capable of staging such a coordinated event...but I still think the mass amount of lies and only feeds into the conspiracy theory mindset.

Personally, I am asking people to not trust Bush when it comes to Iraq, Hurricane Katrinia, Enron, Valeria Plame, GITMO, etc...but I am asking them to trust Bush when it comes to 9-11. Oy....thats a hard battle to fight.
I see your point but I don't exactly follow what Bush has to do with it. I mean regarless of trust or mistrust, the evidence speaks for itself.

[defaultdotxbe]

i think bush will be gone before it gets to the point where the average american will think his adminsitration orchestrated 9/11

[pagan]

Here is another semi-random thought I had on the subway home tonight.

All of Bush's lies, screw ups, dishonest deeds, only make the American people more prone to believing 9-11 conspiracy theories.

With the lack of WMD's in Iraq or a nuclear program, the lies about Tillman and Jessica Lynch, the lies and deceit regarding the Justice Dept. firings, Valerie Plame, etc etc...I fear the American people have become soo distrusting of the Bush administration that the idea that they also carried out 9-11 will not be too far of a jump.

I and most people at JREF understand that lieing about WMD's and outing Valerie Plame has zero to do with staging 9-11, but to many Americans, the legacy and track record of b.s. at the hands of the Bush administration may lead them to say "well hey...why not believe they did 9-11...they've been lieing about everything else..why not that too?".

I pray that the American people are smarter then this and will be able to discern between real lies and deceit...and made up lies and deceit. But every new scandal and evidence of crap at the hands of Bush only makes our fight......much much more difficult. Bush is clearly not our ally in this war for truth.

Iraq and the lies about WMD's has everything to do with 911. We have every reason to suspect that 911 was staged because they wanted a new Pearl Harbor.



I agree that the last 7 years doesn't really show an administration capable of staging such a coordinated event...but I still think the mass amount of lies and only feeds into the conspiracy theory mindset.

Personally, I am asking people to not trust Bush when it comes to Iraq, Hurricane Katrinia, Enron, Valeria Plame, GITMO, etc...but I am asking them to trust Bush when it comes to 9-11. Oy....thats a hard battle to fight.

An adm not capable? Hey, they wanted wars in the ME. They got exactly what they wanted. You need a certain amount of skill in lying and manipulation to accomplish that. They really sold the war "Madison ave." mode and you bought it.

Asking to trust the Bush adm when it comes to the 911 when he has lied about everything else is very irrational.

[defaultdotxbe]

Iraq and the lies about WMD's has everything to do with 911. We have every reason to suspect that 911 was staged because they wanted a new Pearl Harbor.
but what does a new pearl harbor have to do with iraq? if that was the idea wouldnt it have been better to blame the 9/11 attacks on iraq instead of a saudi in exile in afghnanistan with hijackers from saudi arabia, syria, egypt, UAE, and others? its like they got the entire middle east EXCEPT iraq

[parky76]

Pagan- you KNOW full well that the "Pearl Harbor" refered in the PNAC document had NOTHING to do with invading Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iran. Nowhere in the document are these nations mentioned, nor is American hegemony in the Middle East. Its obvious why you 9-11 deniars choose to ignore this and it shows just how determined you are to fish for unrelated info to justify your insane beliefs.

[Gravy]

No. Lack of facts has doomed 9-11 truth to failure.

[pagan]

but what does a new pearl harbor have to do with iraq? if that was the idea wouldnt it have been better to blame the 9/11 attacks on iraq instead of a saudi in exile in afghnanistan with hijackers from saudi arabia, syria, egypt, UAE, and others? its like they got the entire middle east EXCEPT iraq

One thing with lies is that it can be used many times and in different ways. Yes, Osama has been the main scapegoat for 911 at least until recently, seem like they are shifting the blame to Klaled now? And remember the FBI states they have no hard evidence linking Osama to 911.

But surely, you cannot be unaware of the fact that the propaganda leading up to the Iraq war was full of lies and that they did everything they could to link Saddam with al-quaida and 911.

[defaultdotxbe]

But surely, you cannot be unaware of the fact that the propaganda leading up to the Iraq war was full of lies and that they did everything they could to link Saddam with al-quaida and 911.
which i see as evidence that the govt DIDNT have a hand in planning 9/11, surely if they did they would have made it easier on themselves to connect saddam to it, no?

[NeoRicen]

If anything it discredits the 9/11 Conspiracy, just shows that if these lies etc. get out then why the hell has no one from the government revealed the 9/11 Conspiracy?

[pagan]

Pagan- you KNOW full well that the "Pearl Harbor" refered in the PNAC document had NOTHING to do with invading Afghanistan, Iraq, or Iran. Nowhere in the document are these nations mentioned, nor is American hegemony in the Middle East. Its obvious why you 9-11 deniars choose to ignore this and it shows just how determined you are to fish for unrelated info to justify your insane beliefs.

I can only advise you to read the document again.

[pagan]

which i see as evidence that the govt DIDNT have a hand in planning 9/11, surely if they did they would have made it easier on themselves to connect saddam to it, no?

They were very successful. They got the result they wanted. An invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam.

[The Demon's Head]

If anything it discredits the 9/11 Conspiracy, just shows that if these lies etc. get out then why the hell has no one from the government revealed the 9/11 Conspiracy?

Surely you would think that a government official would talk to the press about there being government officials who were invovled. Especially a politician who despises Bush. No one can seriously say that there isn't a dirty enough politician who would love to expose those involved and then this dirty politician being praised as a hero by many.

[parky76]

Ive downloaded it and read it. I read about East Asia, high tech weapons, Star Wars, a Missile Defense Initiative.....no toppling of Saddam, no toppling of the Taliban. These would not have been totally unpopular ideas, yet they were still not mentioned. So either two things happened. The PNAC purposefully left out their TRUE intentions...or you and your silly group of nuts are wrong. The more likely answer is: you are wrong.

Pagan- why don't you do us all a favor and cut and paste where the PNAC refers to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Iran. Or at the very least, cut and paste the section where it refers to regime changes in the Middle East and American control of the area.

[defaultdotxbe]

They were very successful. They got the result they wanted. An invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam.
and since they forgot to connect saddam to 9/11 they got the result without the need for 9/11

so what was the point again? (by the same logic, i wanted a better job, and got one after september 11th, therefore i must have done it)

[beachnut]

I can only advise you to read the document again.
never has one said the correct thing more to the wrong people, heal thy self first

[Corsair 115]

Hey, they wanted wars in the ME. They got exactly what they wanted.So why exactly did they want these wars then? What are the reasons?

[gumboot]

The PNAC actually explicitly advises against the precise type of warfare currently occuring in Afghanistan and Iraq.

-Gumboot

[CptColumbo]

They couldn't cover-up the VP shooting a guy in the face and living, which involved about a dozen people. What makes anyone think they could keep a lid on something this big?

[stateofgrace]

They were very successful. They got the result they wanted. An invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam.

So why not simply blame Saddam, point blank?

Why go through this elaborate plan of invading Iraq because of WMD?

Incidentally Pagan has you actually read a history book?

Why invade Afghanistan? What was the point again? Where exactly is the return?

If they had wanted to invade Iraq and needed 911 to do so, why oh why is it now claimed that Saddam had absolutely zero to do with 911?

Why are they still looking for UBL? Why blame him and not Saddam?

Incidentally Pagan how much oil is now coming out of Iraq compared to pre 911? Any idea?

Oh and since we are on the subject why would anybody murder 3000 of their own citizens to start the most unpopular war ever, see there rating plummet and assure that they would be voted out of office at the earliest opportunity?

Oh Pagan, what will you do when Bush as gone? Your perfect bogeyman, who you just love demonise and love to hold up to everybody and shout and scream what a nasty evil dictator he is hell bent on global domination.

Oh wait, he gets voted out of office, the truthment dies, no more bogeyman. Ah the end is near Pagan, it will soon be all over for you and your silly movement. Reality is but a short while away.

Enjoy, your rants Pagan, enjoy your demonising, enjoying living the life of the truth warrior. It will soon be all over.

[pagan]

So why not simply blame Saddam, point blank?

Why go through this elaborate plan of invading Iraq because of WMD?

Incidentally Pagan has you actually read a history book?

Why invade Afghanistan? What was the point again? Where exactly is the return?

If they had wanted to invade Iraq and needed 911 to do so, why oh why is it now claimed that Saddam had absolutely zero to do with 911?

Why are they still looking for UBL? Why blame him and not Saddam?

Incidentally Pagan how much oil is now coming out of Iraq compared to pre 911? Any idea?

Oh and since we are on the subject why would anybody murder 3000 of their own citizens to start the most unpopular war ever, see there rating plummet and assure that they would be voted out of office at the earliest opportunity?

Oh Pagan, what will you do when Bush as gone? Your perfect bogeyman, who you just love demonise and love to hold up to everybody and shout and scream what a nasty evil dictator he is hell bent on global domination.

Oh wait, he gets voted out of office, the truthment dies, no more bogeyman. Ah the end is near Pagan, it will soon be all over for you and your silly movement. Reality is but a short while away.

Enjoy, your rants Pagan, enjoy your demonising, enjoying living the life of the truth warrior. It will soon be all over.


It is a pain replying to your posts Gracie. I've to go through the most basic ABC stuff... I wont do it for you. You have to educate yourself.

Why not try to blame Saddam point blank? For god sake man, you must be aware of the false propaganda leading up to the Iraq war? They used 911 and links to Al qaida. All this rhetoric together with the claims of WMD's is fully documented and debunked.

The main function for the 911 propaganda was to justify the WAR ON TERROR. This war on terror can be used aginst anyone. Fist of all aginst Afghanistan then Iraq, now it is being used against Iran. It can even be used against American citizens.

The 911 propaganda is much more usefull, if they can use it on many targets.

Why invade Afghanistan? The same reason as for attacking Iran and the whole ME. OIL.OIL.OIL. There are other reasons, but oil is the most important one.
The limited oil coming out of Iraqi oil wells at the moment is of little consequence. What matter is the resources laying under the ground.

Have you ever heard of Peak oil? My advice is to study it carefully. You will get all the answers involving the motives for the Bush adm. to make wars on the ME.

[The Doc]

Why invade Afghanistan? The same reason as for attacking Iran and the whole ME. OIL.OIL.OIL. There are other reasons, but oil is the most important one.
The limited oil coming out of Iraqi oil wells at the moment is of little consequence. What matter is the resources laying under the ground.


And I assume you have evidence to back this up?

[pagan]

And I assume you have evidence to back this up?

I can only repeat my advice given to Gracie.

Read everything you can on Peak oil. It's devastating consequences for the US.:jaw-dropp
Educate yourself. Google.

PEAK OIL.

[beachnut]

I can only repeat my advice given to Gracie.

Read everything you can on Peak oil. It's devastating consequences for the US.:jaw-dropp
Educate yourself. Google.

PEAK OIL.
Google and educate yourself, may be an oxymoron statement if you are lacking the judgment, knowledge, and critical/logical thinking to find the real facts. It seem if you have been using this motto for your research on 9/11, it could be the reason you picked the fact less path of the 9/11 truth movement.

[gumboot]

Why invade Afghanistan? The same reason as for attacking Iran and the whole ME. OIL.OIL.OIL. There are other reasons, but oil is the most important one.



Afghanistan doesn't have any oil.

Why isn't the US invading Venezuela and Canada? They each have more oil than the rest of the world combined.

-Gumboot

[gumboot]

I can only repeat my advice given to Gracie.

Read everything you can on Peak oil. It's devastating consequences for the US.:jaw-dropp
Educate yourself. Google.

PEAK OIL.



Are you aware that the "peak oil" scare has been raised repeatedly for decades?

-Gumboot

[The Doc]

I can only repeat my advice given to Gracie.

Read everything you can on Peak oil. It's devastating consequences for the US.:jaw-dropp
Educate yourself. Google.

PEAK OIL.

No. You made the claim, you give me evidence.

I want evidence that the United States attacked Afghanistan for oil.

[Redtail]

It is a pain replying to your posts Gracie. I've to go through the most basic ABC stuff... I wont do it for you. You have to educate yourself.

Why not try to blame Saddam point blank? For god sake man, you must be aware of the false propaganda leading up to the Iraq war? They used 911 and links to Al qaida. All this rhetoric together with the claims of WMD's is fully documented and debunked.

The main function for the 911 propaganda was to justify the WAR ON TERROR. This war on terror can be used aginst anyone. Fist of all aginst Afghanistan then Iraq, now it is being used against Iran. It can even be used against American citizens.

The 911 propaganda is much more usefull, if they can use it on many targets.

Why invade Afghanistan? The same reason as for attacking Iran and the whole ME. OIL.OIL.OIL. There are other reasons, but oil is the most important one.
The limited oil coming out of Iraqi oil wells at the moment is of little consequence. What matter is the resources laying under the ground.

Have you ever heard of Peak oil? My advice is to study it carefully. You will get all the answers involving the motives for the Bush adm. to make wars on the ME.

So instead of blaming it on Saddam they blame it on Bin Laden who is out of the royal family of Saudi. They do this because they can blame it on anybody, but OBL makes the most sense because he threatened America before and he is in Afghanistan. He didn't act on said threats even though he admited it, because he was once in a war with the USSR, who were our enimies, and those who supported the USSR and for some reason he admited to being behind the attacks of 9/11 because he's still working with the CIA. Now Saddam wasn't named as the perp were are using the war on terror to take out those against the current admin and Saddam had never said or done anything to threaten America?

[stateofgrace]

It is a pain replying to your posts Gracie. I've to go through the most basic ABC stuff... I wont do it for you. You have to educate yourself.

Why not try to blame Saddam point blank? For god sake man, you must be aware of the false propaganda leading up to the Iraq war? They used 911 and links to Al qaida. All this rhetoric together with the claims of WMD's is fully documented and debunked.

The main function for the 911 propaganda was to justify the WAR ON TERROR. This war on terror can be used aginst anyone. Fist of all aginst Afghanistan then Iraq, now it is being used against Iran. It can even be used against American citizens.

The 911 propaganda is much more usefull, if they can use it on many targets.

Why invade Afghanistan? The same reason as for attacking Iran and the whole ME. OIL.OIL.OIL. There are other reasons, but oil is the most important one.
The limited oil coming out of Iraqi oil wells at the moment is of little consequence. What matter is the resources laying under the ground.

Have you ever heard of Peak oil? My advice is to study it carefully. You will get all the answers involving the motives for the Bush adm. to make wars on the ME.

I know Pagan it must be difficult for you. So hey just for a giggle lets have a look at your ABC view of the world.

A/ America attacks itself, killing 3000 of her own which leads to
B/ Wars in the Middle East which in turn kills countless thousands which in turn allows
C/ The US to steal oil.

Now, Pagan putting aside the Human cost in all this,here is the rub.

A/ Cost 90 billion on the day, it destroyed the WORLD TRADE Centers and grounded the entire air fleet.
B/ Has cost close 450 Billion
C/ Emm , the US is still buying oil.

Where is the return?

Why did the US not.

A/ simply spent all this cash on buying oil?
B/ Invest it in renewable energy research?
C/ simply spent it on other good causes?

PS , yes everybody is well aware of the WMD intel being wrong, everybody knows all about the troubles in the Middle East so please try don´t try to pretent you are the only one that is aware and everybody else is blissfully unware.

[I Am He]

There's a U.S. Senator circulating papers to impeach Bush right now, and nowhere in his list of grievances has he mentioned 9-11 as a reason. He mentions the war in Iraq, and how Bush lied to get us in to it but not 9-11. Now how is that, Pagan?? Don't you think that 9-11 would of been number one on his list, Oh Wise One??

[jhunter1163]

How's that pipeline across Afghanistan coming along?

[pagan]

There's a U.S. Senator circulating papers to impeach Bush right now, and nowhere in his list of grievances has he mentioned 9-11 as a reason. He mentions the war in Iraq, and how Bush lied to get us in to it but not 9-11. Now how is that, Pagan?? Don't you think that 9-11 would of been number one on his list, Oh Wise One??

Maybe, it is? Maybe, he is being tactical? Mentioning 911 on that list would not be very smart. He would most certainly not get any Reps or dems signing it. Too early.

[pagan]

How's that pipeline across Afghanistan coming along?

Interesting q.

We do know that the US has built a lot of military bases along the pipe line route to secure it.

[The Doc]

Interesting q.

We do know that the US has built a lot of military bases along the pipe line route to secure it.

Source please.

[TOHMS]

Hey Doc, it's admitted okay.

[The Doc]

Hey Doc, it's admitted okay.

Ok cool. But I'd like to read about it so I'm asking pagan for his source so I can look it up.

ETA:
I just saw your reply to CT'er Bingo :p Failed to realize the sarcasm in your post in this thread at first lol. My bad.

[Disbelief]

One thing with lies is that it can be used many times and in different ways. Yes, Osama has been the main scapegoat for 911 at least until recently, seem like they are shifting the blame to Klaled now? And remember the FBI states they have no hard evidence linking Osama to 911.

But surely, you cannot be unaware of the fact that the propaganda leading up to the Iraq war was full of lies and that they did everything they could to link Saddam with al-quaida and 911.

So what if it is KSM? You blame Bush, the leader of the US for everything, so why would we not blame Osama for everything that AQ does? Osama is ultimately responsible, so he gets the lion's share of the blame.

[FactCheck]

I think the mainstream media is what will propagate 9/11 Conspiracy Theories. The media distorts what happens and the public only remember that distorted version of events.

Example includes Jessica Lynch's rescue. The Pentagon didn't invent the hero story. The media did. And now the media have invented another story - that The Pentagon invented the first one. And these media fairy tales are so convincing that even the main characters believe them - Jessica Lynch seems to honestly believe The Pentagon tried to turn her into a huge hero. This simply is not true.

For what it's worth, the same thing happens all over the world. The Media's MO has de-evolved to the point where all they do is invent. They build heroes, then tear them down as fake idols, then blame someone else for building the hero, then they blame someone else for tearing them down. They're fabricating stories for themselves, and 9/11 is a fertile topic for their inventions. They'll keep that fire alive for a long long time.

(I hate the media)

-GumbootIf anything the media works with the government/pentagon...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3251731.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/24/tillman.hearing/index.html

I don't blame Bush so much. We pay the army to propagandize during war. The first thing to die in any war is the truth.

But I blame the media for buying it and pushing it. They're lap dogs for the republicans. If you need evidence none was as telling as this...

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html

[Disbelief]

If anything the media works with the government/pentagon...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3251731.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/24/tillman.hearing/index.html

I don't blame Bush so much. We pay the army to propagandize during war. The first thing to die in any war is the truth.

But I blame the media for buying it and pushing it. They're lap dogs for the republicans. If you need evidence none was as telling as this...

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html

Why do both sides think the media is supporting the opposition? O'Reilly, hannity, etc. scream about the liberal media and point out supporting articles and pieces as proof. Then, you have Moyers and company complaining about the conservatives by pointing to articles and pieces that support them. IMO, it is hard to find journalists who are truly neutral.

[JamesB]

Interesting q.

We do know that the US has built a lot of military bases along the pipe line route to secure it.

No they haven't. The only two major bases in Afghanistan are in Bagram and Khandahar, which are not on the path of any likely pipelines.

Incidently the proposed pipeline is natural gas, not oil, and has never been built. It may never be built at this rate.

You might try lying on some other board which doesn't have people with military experience on it.

[~enigma~]

No they haven't. The only two major bases in Afghanistan are in Bagram and Khandahar, which are not on the path of any likely pipelines.

Incidently the proposed pipeline is natural gas, not oil, and has never been built. It may never be built at this rate.

You might try lying on some other board which doesn't have people with military experience on it.
Oh dear me....you mean your not really James Bond....BUMMER :)

[JamesB]

Oh dear me....you mean your not really James Bond....BUMMER :)

That is just my cover. I am really just a lowly guard bum. One weekend a month, two weeks during the summer....

:D

[FactCheck]

Why do both sides think the media is supporting the opposition? O'Reilly, hannity, etc. scream about the liberal media and point out supporting articles and pieces as proof. Then, you have Moyers and company complaining about the conservatives by pointing to articles and pieces that support them. IMO, it is hard to find journalists who are truly neutral.You said it, Hannity and O'lielly scream while Moyer's offers proof. Hannity and O'lielly are no better than CT's.

When the press pretends to raise their hands at a whitehouse press conference as if they actually had a chance on being picked, it ceases to be a press conference and turns into a show.

Here you have nightritter and more doing stories on just how poor the intel is and the media continues the drum beat for war.

Some closed their eye to the truth while others pushed lies.

There is a reason why Jounalists and scientists tend to be liberal. Because they do more than just listen to politicians and pundits, they actually research things. :)

[FactCheck]

That is just my cover. I am really just a lowly guard bum. One weekend a month, two weeks during the summer....

:DGuarding the hangers at area 51 no doubt. Have top keep those hidden airliners from prying eyes. :cool:

[Disbelief]

You said it, Hannity and O'lielly scream while Moyer's offers proof. Hannity and O'lielly are no better than CT's.

When the press pretends to raise their hands at a whitehouse press conference as if they actually had a chance on being picked, it ceases to be a press conference and turns into a show.

Here you have nightritter and more doing stories on just how poor the intel is and the media continues the drum beat for war.

Some closed their eye to the truth while others pushed lies.

There is a reason why Jounalists and scientists tend to be liberal. Because they do more than just listen to politicians and pundits, they actually research things. :)

No, Moyers also takes things out of context and chery picks quotes. You can't honestly tell me that Moyers does not have an agenda of his own. I actually caught the beginning of O'Reilly last night, and he said that he gives props to Moyers for being against the war from the get go. He also said that Moyers was right and that he was wrong. Right there is proof that he is not CT.:D

[Vincent Vega]

They were very successful. They got the result they wanted. An invasion of Iraq and removal of Saddam.

You think they did 9-11 for that? :eye-poppi

[~enigma~]

You think they did 9-11 for that? :eye-poppi
Well just going into Iraq and executing Saddam would be a crime so I guess it was easier to do 9/11 :yikes:

[Vincent Vega]

That is just my cover. I am really just a lowly guard bum. One weekend a month, two weeks during the summer....

:D

...and 12 months in Iraq.

[~enigma~]

That is just my cover. I am really just a lowly guard bum. One weekend a month, two weeks during the summer....

:DSo admit it, we have our Judy Wood Death Star Beam DEW hidden in a hangar there and it is a really big hangar to hide the 50 Nuclear reactor power supply...admit it :)

[mailman]

I think the mainstream media is what will propagate 9/11 Conspiracy Theories. The media distorts what happens and the public only remember that distorted version of events.

Example includes Jessica Lynch's rescue. The Pentagon didn't invent the hero story. The media did. And now the media have invented another story - that The Pentagon invented the first one. And these media fairy tales are so convincing that even the main characters believe them - Jessica Lynch seems to honestly believe The Pentagon tried to turn her into a huge hero. This simply is not true.

Another perfect example of this hyping is the monkey parade created by the British media when the 15 sailors were released by Iran.

The media built them up, made them in to these mythical hero's and the dumped on them faster than a fat chick takes a dump on the toilet once they had out lived their usefulness.

Although I guess if you look hard enough you will find reason to blame Bush!

Mailman

[parky76]

We should not be so quick to disregard the more insane theories like "star wars beams". they are indeed an asset to our cause. the more rediculous they become, the easier it is to show the world how rediculous they are.

[Alt+F4]

And remember the FBI states they have no hard evidence linking Osama to 911.

But the FBI is part of the federal government and it's director was choosen by Bush. Therefore, according to CT thinking, they must be lying, so the FBI does indeed have evidence linking Osama to 9/11.

[~enigma~]

But the FBI is part of the federal government and it's director was choosen by Bush. Therefore, according to CT thinking, they must be lying, so the FBI does indeed have evidence linking Osama to 9/11.
Wow...you must have a PhD in woogic™

[gumboot]

If anything the media works with the government/pentagon...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3251731.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/24/tillman.hearing/index.html

I don't blame Bush so much. We pay the army to propagandize during war. The first thing to die in any war is the truth.

But I blame the media for buying it and pushing it. They're lap dogs for the republicans. If you need evidence none was as telling as this...

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html




I honestly don't understand what you think any of those links is "proving"?

I followed the invasion on multiple news channels minute by minute. I remember what angle each channel took, and I remember what military staff actually said.

There are two ideas here...

1) The media towed the line on the invasion because they're "lapdogs for the Republicans"

2) The military exaggerated and faked information to generate propaganda

Both of the above are myths. They are absolutely not true. I read their articles. I watched the video press releases from the military. Both of the above statements are absolutely false.

Both are prime examples of precisely what I was talking about - the media inventing a history that makes them look good and sells.

-Gumboot