William 'kills deer with spear'

[Tony]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3139181.stm ...full article




Prince William has killed a tiny antelope on holiday in Kenya with a 7ft spear, according to reports.

The story in the Mail on Sunday is likely to reopen the debate about the Royal Family and their participation in blood sports.



What do our resident Brits think of this?

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Tony
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3139181.stm ...full article
What do our resident Brits think of this? As one who has spent much of his time defending hunting and gun owner ship I have to share this anecdote.

First let me say that I was raised to never kill anything simply for the sport of it.

I once traveled with a freind to some rich guys house that was full of trophies including Polar bears, and exotic animals. I wasn't particularly impressed. After awhile I noticed a small deer. It looked to me to be a fawn. Why did you kill such a young dear I asked incredously. Oh, "it's not a small deer", said the proud hunter, "it's an adult miniature deer" he said. "It doesn't look like you would get much meat of it" I remarked. "I wouldn't know about that" he said, "I don't eat what I hunt."

[Pak_43]

What do our resident Brits think of this?

I doubt many people in the UK give a RA....

Not even registering on the radar over here....(if true...I see "Royal sources" are denying it...)

Peter Kelly's enquiry starts today (five minutes from now), an event occupying the media almost exclusively...

[BillyTK]

William's grandad is president of the World Wildlife Fund. Kind of says it all, really.

[JamesM]

Prince William has killed a tiny antelope on holiday in Kenya with a 7ft spear

Look, this antelope came at him with a 7ft spear! He had no choice!

... I have read that right, haven't I?

[Crossbow]

He was coming right at us!

[HarryKeogh]

sometimes when you hand-feed tiny deer they lick your hand which is yucky, therefore the killing was justified.

[Tmy]

Dont kid yourself, that antelope wouldve killed Will and his whole family if given the chance!!!!


Why does it matter if a hunter eats the kill or not. Is that supposed to be a justification???Its not like these guys HAVE to kill these animals in order to eat.

[Lothian]

Originally posted by HarryKeogh
sometimes when you hand-feed tiny deer they lick your hand which is yucky, therefore the killing was justified. I use the same arguments for killing the royal family.

[Jon_in_london]

He should have used a seven hand spear instead.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Tmy
Why does it matter if a hunter eats the kill or not. Is that supposed to be a justification? Unless you are vegetarian you are going to effectively cause the death of an animal. Killing your own food is NOT morally inferior to letting someone else kill it. As Ted says, "you have to kill it before you can grill it."

Killing just for the sport of it is wrong in my opinion. Killing to sustain life is not. You don't have to agree. I'm entitled to my opinion.

Its not like these guys HAVE to kill these animals in order to eat. Unless they are vegetarian they HAVE to cause the death of animals.

Are you vegetarian?

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by Tmy
Its not like these guys HAVE to kill these animals in order to eat.

Indeed, perhaps they could just amputate one limb from each animal...

[HarryKeogh]

Originally posted by Tmy
Why does it matter if a hunter eats the kill or not. Is that supposed to be a justification???Its not like these guys HAVE to kill these animals in order to eat.

i cannot find anything wrong with killing your own food.

it's probably more humane. you have this deer who gets to live in the wild and do his thing and when he is killed it's over (hopefully) before he realizes it.

seems better than living life in a cramped pen until your time is up.

plus i think vegetarians are a bit off. were omnivores by nature. plus you can't win friends with salad.

[Tmy]

Bullfop I say!! They are killing for sport whether they get the crap or not. Personally I dont care what their motives are, hunt if you like. Just spare me the "I eat what I kill" justofication. There in it for the sport. Why else do people pay thousands for hunting trips to bring home some low grade meat that they couldve purchased for a fraction of the cost.


Im not a veggie by the way.

Im going to Bovine University!!!

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Tmy
Bullfop I say!! They are killing for sport whether they get the crap or not. Personally I dont care what their motives are, hunt if you like. Just spare me the "I eat what I kill" justofication. Your entitled to your opnion like anyone else.

Why else do people pay thousands for hunting trips to bring home some low grade meat that they couldve purchased for a fraction of the cost. You obviously don't have a taste for wild pheasent, turkey, venison, etc.

I and the hunters that I associate with DON'T spend thousands to bring home meat. And who the hell told you it was low grade?

Fresh venison is on average NOT low grade. It is true that depending on the environment some meat is not very good. Antelope grazing primarly on bitter scrub needs to be boiled to be editable. I wouldn't hunt them.

I gladly admit that sport is involved but a guy who shoots just for sport is an a**hole.

I don't feel the need to justify a damn thing and I don't know any hunters who do.

That is MY opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it.

[Cain]

Consider this...
I gladly admit that sport is involved but a guy who shoots just for sport is an a**hole.

... in relation to this (the two sentences directly follow each other in the original post):

I don't feel the need to justify a damn thing and I don't know any hunters who do.

There's hardly any point expiatiating on this silliness. Randfan helpfully reminds us that we're not obligated to agree (or even like) his opinion. Thank goodness.

[Grammatron]

Originally posted by Cain
There's hardly any point expiatiating on this silliness. Randfan helpfully reminds us that we're not obligated to agree (or even like) his opinion. Thank goodness.

I don't see how those two quotes are mutually exclusive; one can easily disagree with killing for sport but in general one can also say how a hunter does not have to justify anything to anyone.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Cain
There's hardly any point expiatiating on this silliness.
Randfan helpfully reminds us that we're not obligated to agree (or even like) his opinion. Thank goodness. Let's see,

1.) I think that people who kill simply for sport are a**holes. I have stated quite clearly that this is my opinion.

2.) I don't feel the need to justify anything to anyone.

The two statements are neither contradictory nor irrational. Statement #1 is an opinion that I hold irrespective of others opinions or beliefs. Statement #2 Clarifies statement #1 in that I hold such opinions with out the need for justifying anything.

Which raises a question. What in the sam hell are you talking about?

Look, put down the dictionary. Big words won't make your argument valid. When you use esoteric words and are unable to make a coherent argument YOU look silly.

[Tmy]

Why is the other hunter and a-hole?

He enjoys the hunt. You enjoy the hunt. (At least I assume you enjoy hunting, or do you see it as a neccesary chore in orderto gather fresh meat)

If you both enjoy the hunt arent your motives really the same. The food part seems like a bonus. Perhaps one that eases your mind.

[RandFan]

Originally posted by Tmy
Why is the other hunter and a-hole?

He enjoys the hunt. You enjoy the hunt. (At least I assume you enjoy hunting, or do you see it as a neccesary chore in orderto gather fresh meat)

If you both enjoy the hunt arent your motives really the same. The food part seems like a bonus. Perhaps one that eases your mind. Thank you for the question.

I was raised on a farm and instilled with a sense of respect for lving things. If I failed in my duties to care for the animals that were my responsibility I was punished. Once I neglected to water the chickens on a hot summer day because I wanted to play footbal with my friends. My father punished me and then explained that it is immoral to cause animals to suffer simply to satisfy ones own selfish desires. From my scout leaders to my teachers I was always taught to minimize animal suffering and to only kill for food.

I have said repetedly that this is an opinion but it is an opinion that I hold quite strongly. And one that I am confident that I am on firm ground to hold. I simply could not justify killing a living thing to satisfy my own desires. To provide food which is a necesity (I don't buy that humans are herbivores) is quite a different thing. I concede that there is an enjoyment to the hunt and a satisfaction to a kill. That enjoyment in and of itself in my mind simply cannnot justify killing a living thing. Furthermore, anyone who would kill simply to experience that enjoyment or satisfaction is an a**hole.

I hope that I have been clear. I would gladly expound further if it is not.

[Tmy]

I see what your saying. I dont hunt and dont care for it, but I feel I cant morally complian about hunters because I enjoy eating meat n all.

Same goes for people who wear fur. Lots of the public gets upset about fur, all the while they wear leather. I figure if its OK to wear leather, then its ok to wear fur. Id be a hypocrite to complain about the latter since Im part ofthe former.

[HarryKeogh]

Originally posted by Tmy
Same goes for people who wear fur. Lots of the public gets upset about fur, all the while they wear leather. I figure if its OK to wear leather, then its ok to wear fur. Id be a hypocrite to complain about the latter since Im part ofthe former.

i must admit, my first thought when i see someone with a fur quote is "how cruel and gaudy". of course i'm probably wearing leather shoes at the time so i have to remind myself not to be a hypocrite.

sometimes i'll try to justify it in my head by saying they use all of the cow (skin for leather and flesh for meat) whereas they just use the skin from the animals raised for fur but for all i know that might not always be the case.

[Segnosaur]

Originally posted by Crossbow
He was coming right at us!

And that's one dear that won't starve to death.

[WildCat]

Originally posted by HarryKeogh
sometimes i'll try to justify it in my head by saying they use all of the cow (skin for leather and flesh for meat) whereas they just use the skin from the animals raised for fur but for all i know that might not always be the case.
The whole mink, chinchilla, nutria, or whatever is used, they make cat/dog food out of the byproduct, probably fertilizer also.

[Cain]

Time, lack of desire, and an aversion against repititious thread topics conspired to prevent me from replying promptly.

Randfan clarifies his position (ack, where did my scare quotes go?):

1.) I think that people who kill simply for sport are a**holes. I have stated quite clearly that this is my opinion.

2.) I don't feel the need to justify anything to anyone.

Why do you think they're ********?

They hunt animals for the pleasure. You eat animals for pleasure.* If you're suggesting that hunting "simply for the sport of it" is meaningless or wasteful (i.e. lacks justification), then you're not exactly on strong ground crying about eating what you hunt.

*The apparently implicit -- and false -- assumption, though widely held, is that you're consuming animals for long-term personal survival rather than a moment of frivolous sadistic pleasure. That's obviously false given readily available vegetarian alternatives.

Conclusion: The differences between you and hunters comes down to a matter of degree rather than kind. Therefore, in your own terms, you're both ********. But hey, who isn't?

P.S. spare me the usual, "I think about things critically, objectively," or "I grew up on a farm," and, I hate to add this one but it always comes up, "I defended Bill Clinton!!"

:rolleyes: