J. van Impe, President Bush, and the Coming Apocalypse

[LFTKBS]

From Jack van Impe's website:

"I am not sure whether he knows all of the prophecies and how deep of a student he has been in God's Word, but I was contacted a few weeks ago by the Office of Public Liaison for the White House and by the National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice to make an outline. And I’ve spent hours preparing it. I will release this information to the public in September, but it’s in his hands."

This text is from http://www.jvim.com/qotw/index.html.

So: is J.v. Impe merely lying, which is troublesome, or is he telling the truth, which is far more so? And finally, when his prophecies turn out to be false, will anyone notice?

[pgwenthold]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
So: is J.v. Impe merely lying, which is troublesome, or is he telling the truth, which is far more so? And finally, when his prophecies turn out to be false, will anyone notice?

Well, no one has apparently noticed so far, including the president.

I think it will be far more noticable if he ever gets something right.

[NightG1]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
From Jack van Impe's website:

...but I was contacted a few weeks ago by the Office of Public Liaison for the White House and by the National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice to make an outline...


Gee, it sure would be nice if he had identified who it was that contacted him - besides Condy Rice I mean - by name. Does anyone know if this Office of Public Liason for the White House even exists? My guess he is making all this up or has blown a casual contact between himself and a White House staffer way out of proportion and has invented this "the President is asking for my advice" crap as a promotional stunt. No one will notice because his followers won't be reminded and everyone else doesn't care.

[GroundStrength]

Seems like the office is one that deals with non-profit orgs, and now has taken over the responsiblilites of the Office of Women.

[LFTKBS]

The Office of Public Liaison is real, but I don't know of any way to find out when and if they contacted Impe, because I'm not like an investigative journalist or anything. Even if I were, I doubt there'd be any info forthcoming.

I want to apologize because now that I think about it, I can't see what good this thread'll do other than just drive me crazy. I mean, the replies are all good, but it's not really an actionable thing afterwards. Or not. My head hurts from this sort of thing.

[hgc]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
The Office of Public Liaison is real, but I don't know of any way to find out when and if they contacted Impe, because I'm not like an investigative journalist or anything. Even if I were, I doubt there'd be any info forthcoming.

I want to apologize because now that I think about it, I can't see what good this thread'll do other than just drive me crazy. I mean, the replies are all good, but it's not really an actionable thing afterwards. Or not. My head hurts from this sort of thing. I see what you mean. Afterall most threads in these forums lead to concrete results in the real world. ;) You know -- like Genghis and the little girls. :eek:

Seriously though, I think W really believes in this stuff. He thinks the tooth fairy left him a tax cut under his pillow. He thinks the pope can make it rain.

[NightG1]

Originally posted by LFTKBS
I want to apologize because now that I think about it, I can't see what good this thread'll do other than just drive me crazy. I mean, the replies are all good, but it's not really an actionable thing afterwards. Or not. My head hurts from this sort of thing.
Apologize? Not so long ago - ok a long time ago, I thought guys like van Impe, WV Grant, Benny Hinn, Billy Graham, Oral Robberts, ad nausium were sincere, loving people committed to making the world a better place. I don't know what it was that helped me to see that these guys were really money grubbing scam artists but I have to believe that skeptical resources like this forum were part of that transition. You never know who will read your post and change their mind.

[billiefan2000]

If Bush wanted a Prophecy Expert TO HELP HIM:

Why not get:


DAVID JEREMIAH

ZOLA LEVITT


DAVID REAGAN

HAL LINDSEY

ED HINDSON


or:

TERRY JAMES


Cause Van Impe is a joke nowadays.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
If Bush wanted a Prophecy Expert TO HELP HIM:

Why not get:


DAVID JEREMIAH

ZOLA LEVITT


DAVID REAGAN

HAL LINDSEY

ED HINDSON


or:

TERRY JAMES


Cause Van Impe is a joke nowadays.

Ready for the bad news Billy?

The others are jokes too. And not particularly funny ones.

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
If Bush wanted a Prophecy Expert TO HELP HIM:

Why not get:


DAVID JEREMIAH

ZOLA LEVITT


DAVID REAGAN

HAL LINDSEY

ED HINDSON


or:

TERRY JAMES


Cause Van Impe is a joke nowadays.

Yes, I agree Van Impe is not a "real Christian" is he billiefan:rolleyes:

[Zep]

I suspect what the Office of Public Liaison and Condy Rice ACTUALLY said to Van Impe was a polite, "Thank you for your input." which to Van Impe was a massive encouragement. Unfortunately, even the fact that they talked to him at all was enough for his imagination to run wild. Just like with his prophecies.

He's only just tangentially impinging on reality...

[triadboy]

Originally posted by Pahansiri


Yes, I agree Van Impe is not a "real Christian" is he billiefan:rolleyes:

He couldn't stay a real Xian married to Rexella, (grrr)

[diddidit]

Made the Scoop gossip column on MSNBC, it must be true!

http://msnbc.com/news/943879.asp?0cv=CB20

did

[Charlie Monoxide]

You really can't say enough good things about GWB. No, really ....

Charlie (is GWB the anti-christ?) Monoxide

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Pahansiri


Yes, I agree Van Impe is not a "real Christian" is he billiefan:rolleyes:

He isnt considered a legitimate Christian Leader since he said that Islam and Christianity are equal which got many in the Christian Community angered.

Van Impe is a Christian,but he is also a sellout and a compromiser.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by billiefan2000

Van Impe is a Christian,but he is also a sellout and a compromiser.

And remember, compromise is bad. :rolleyes:

[Pahansiri]

Originally posted by billiefan2000


He isnt considered a legitimate Christian Leader since he said that Islam and Christianity are equal which got many in the Christian Community angered.

Van Impe is a Christian,but he is also a sellout and a compromiser.

He isnt considered a legitimate Christian Leader

By who? Real Christians?

Van Impe is a Christian,but he is also a sellout and a compromiser.

I know the Bible very well no where can you find thou shall not be a compromiser

yet you will find

thou shall not lie

and

thou shall not bear false witness

We find in your post from another thread ( one of many examples)

Originally posted by billiefan2000

you should know that 99 Percent of what Liebrals say is half truths or lies anyway.

Here we find you
1- telling a lie
2- bearing false witness
3- and 3 judging others
4- speaking with a sharp tongue (JAMES 1:26)

From what I see and the Bible says Van Impe would be a “real Christian” and you would be an evil sinner bound for hell fires.

Would you please comment on this.

[swstephe]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
He isnt considered a legitimate Christian Leader since he said that Islam and Christianity are equal which got many in the Christian Community angered.

I see, he isn't a Christian Leader because he angered many in the Christian Community? I seem to remember one Biblical figure that was going around calling the religious leaders at the time, (Pharisees), that they were snakes and dogs. I had heard that figure was good guy. I wonder if that person were here today, if he would be "run out on a rail" for claiming that Christian Leaders are hypocrits following their own greed and lusts instead of rightousness ... but maybe that's just my imagination.

FWIW, I know someone who bought an anti-Mormon video to show to his wife. Whatever they got out of that video was immediately soured by the fact that JVIM put them on their junk mail list and filled their mailbox every day with order forms and advertisements for videos, prayer requests, prayer "cloth", travel brochures. Why should the wife leave Mormons when protestantism was a big mass marketing program?

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by swstephe
Why should the wife leave Mormons when protestantism was a big mass marketing program?
Interesting analysis, I've always considered religion nowadays to be completely bittered by marketing.

I've seen those "Songs For Worship" on TV. Do they really care about getting more people to become more devoted to God... no, they only care that they can successfully market a product and make cash.

Unreleated, but recently, I've seen a commercial on TV about a guy who is going to provide a "fantastic and whimsical" lecture on how God made the dinosaurs and the earth. By doing this, the guy is going to systematically make everyone just that much "stupider" for having listened. This will be taking place in a museum (a place of scientific achievement and history).