Detoxify with IonCleanse

[pchams]

For about $3000, you too can scam clients for $30-$50 a session.
These ads seem to be everywhere right now.
Rusty water, I guess it might help the anaemic, if they drank it.

This is my favorite part from the site(apart from the polo shirts and $4 salt):

Ascorbic acid is extremely useful for the aesthetics of the plates and arrays. One soaking with your array in an ascorbic acid solution every five to ten sessions will keep your array looking brand new and may even extend the life of your plates. The ascorbic acid is not intended to replace a cleaner for routine cleaning between sessions.

http://www.ioncleanse.com/

[kmortis]

I love

The IonCleanse® is a state of the art unit that features

1. Five different session programs
2. Dual Polarity
3. FCC and CE safety approvals
4. Two different types of water elements
5. Lifetime Customer Service & Support
What? You mean the certification you have to have to be able to sell your electronics in the US and Europe? Oooo, there's a feature.

[robinson]

http://amajordifference.com/ion_how_it_works.php

How the IonCleanse® Works


AC electricity is converted to low power DC electricity which flows through a patented electrode system that sits in the footbath. The electricity and the metal combine to split the water molecule into H+ and OH- ions. These ions travel through the body, neutralize oppositely charged particles and through powerful osmotic pressure pull those neutralized particles out of the body through whatever skin surface is in contact with the water.

What a load of horsecrap. OH- is a hydroxyl radical. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl_radical

If OH- molecules are traveling through your body, you will suffer extreme cell damage. The Hydroxyl radical is probably the most destructive molecule you will ever encounter. They damage any organic molecule they encounter.

It is just an electrolysis unit, it is electrolysis of water they are describing, which they freely admit. The stupidity and greed of these idiots is beyond imagination. $2895.00 for an electrolysis unit???

Claiming H+ and OH- ions are moving through your body, cleansing it??

Can anything be done to stop these greedy idiots?

[Slimething]

It is just an electrolysis unit, it is electrolysis of water they are describing, which they freely admit. The stupidity and greed of these idiots is beyond imagination. $2895.00 for an electrolysis unit???

It's not even an electrolysis unit. Electrolysis of water yields hydrogen and oxygen, not hydroxyl and hydronium ions. I have no idea what the unit is doing but it can't generate the ions it claims to. But, let's say for the sake of argument, that it did. As it's generating a one to one ratio, the net concentration of the ions in the water would remain equivalent, or at 10^-7. IOW, the same concentration of ions as in regular, untreated water.

Where do I sign up?

[robinson]

Electrolysis of water yields hydrogen and oxygen, not hydroxyl and hydronium ions.

Electrolysis produces Hydrogen gas, Oxygen gas, and H+ and OH- ions in the water. Don't take my word for it however.
http://www.answers.com/topic/electrolysis-of-water

So they are correct in that there expensive machine produces H+ and OH- ions, but they certainly don't travel through your body and detox it. That website is so stupid, so dumb, such a rip off, it is beyond words to describe. This is due to the auto censor function here.

[Madalch]

What a load of horsecrap. OH- is a hydroxyl radical. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl_radical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxyl_radical)
No, it is a hydroxide ion. A hydroxyl radical is a neutral molecule; hydroxide is an ion. The two are completely different. Both, however, are horrible to you, and should not be used to "cleanse" your body or feet.

But you're right- it is carp of some form.

[Slimething]

Electrolysis produces Hydrogen gas, Oxygen gas, and H+ and OH- ions in the water. Don't take my word for it however.
http://www.answers.com/topic/electrolysis-of-water

So they are correct in that there expensive machine produces H+ and OH- ions, but they certainly don't travel through your body and detox it. That website is so stupid, so dumb, such a rip off, it is beyond words to describe. This is due to the auto censor function here.

Yes, H+ and OH- must be created if looking at the anodic and cathodic reactions separately but, together, they are produced stoichiometrically to give a net result of zip. Don't take my word for it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water

My point being that water already contains those ions in much the same concentrations that the soooper dooper machine would produce. You're entirely right that a charged ion of such m/z concentration would be like a bowling bowl through light bulb factory. But, realistically, like ionizing radiation, these ions wouldn't penetrate more than a few mm into the body. But that few mm is enough.

[Madalch]

Yes, H+ and OH- must be created if looking at the anodic and cathodic reactions separately but, together, they are produced stoichiometrically to give a net result of zip....
My point being that water already contains those ions in much the same concentrations that the soooper dooper machine would produce.

Not quite. You're not stirring the solution, so you will get a pH gradient, with a low pH at the anode and a high pH at the cathode. It will be neutral shortly after the current is turned off, but not during the electrolysis.

However, the reactions they claim are only true if the electrodes are inert, and I doubt that they're supplying platinum electrodes for this toy. Rather than generating oxygen gas at the anode, the anode itself (probably iron or copper) is going to be oxidized to form ions. These will eventually migrate over the the middle of the foot bath (or get stirred there if you wiggle your toes enough), where they will react with the hydroxide produced at the cathode to give that slime of iron craponium hydroxide that they claim is the toxins that have come out of your body.

They claim that the slime is different if your feet aren't in that. I can see that- there's probably just enough organic acids on your sweaty feet so that the hydroxide formed reacts with it to give some large carboxylate, which forms a slightly grungier precipitate with iron.

The local paper here is advertising such "detox" service- I should find out if any of their intrepid reporters want to look into it.

[robinson]

No, it is a hydroxide ion. A hydroxyl radical is a neutral molecule; hydroxide is an ion.

You are correct of course.

[JQH]

This scam has been circulating for some time. If you use salty water and iron electrodes, when the current is on you get a greenish brown gunk forming in the electrolyte. The woo tells the mark that this is the "toxins" being sucked from your body. It's actually some sort of complex iron salt and forms even if you don't have any part of your anatomy in the salt bath.

I made my own out of two radio batteries and a couple of nails for electrodes, so you don't even need to spend $3000 dollars to get going.

No, I didn't try to con anyone with it.

[robinson]

It makes me want to inject some OH- into these morons, to help detoxify them. :hb:

[Slimething]

Not quite. You're not stirring the solution, so you will get a pH gradient, with a low pH at the anode and a high pH at the cathode. It will be neutral shortly after the current is turned off, but not during the electrolysis.

Oh, Madalch, why do you quibble about my oversimplifications? ;)

I'm just trying to make the point that whatever ionic strength this device adds to the water must be miniscule. I forget what it is but the current needed to permanently relax your heart and diaphragm is very small. The device propaganda does not even mention gas generation so how much ionic flux could this thing turn out? Surely, not enough for the acid or base to start truly ridding your foot-bones of that toxic flesh that covers them!quote]

[Slimething]

It makes me want to inject some OH- into these morons, to help detoxify them. :hb:
Just make them soak in it. Less work. Base is what metabolism researchers use to completely dissolve carcasses. It only takes about a week and what used to be a test subject is a fairly nice solution. :eek:

[Orangutan]

I made my own version of this too. However I was showing my daughter how you could make hydrogen go pop!

Does anyone know what I could have used to get oxygen? Is gold inert enough? I'm sure I could find some gold plated audio jacks to use as an anode.

Edit:
Second question.
Is it worth using potassium chloride as the electrolyte instead of sodium chloride as it's cations have a much lower electrode potential than H+, or is it a binary thing? (as long as the cation has a lower electrode potential it should work?)

2nd Edit.
Hmm, I guess It's not the cation that's a problem "Care must be taken in choosing an electrolyte, since an anion from the electrolyte is in competition with the hydroxide ions to give up an electron. An electrolyte anion with less standard electrode potential than hydroxide will be oxidized instead of the hydroxide".

I'm guessing chlorine anions have less electrode potential than hydroxide. Hmm, I need a different electrolyte I think.

:)

Edit:
AAAGH!
***ing Homeopaths! Try doing a product search for Sodium sulphate or Glauber's salt and all you get is homeopathic remedies!

HA!
I think I can use Magnesium Sulphate, Epsom salts! Magnesium is the last cation that is suitable but I think it should work.
Any chemists here want to correct me before I go off and build a Hoffman voltameter?

[Madalch]

Does anyone know what I could have used to get oxygen? Is gold inert enough? I'm sure I could find some gold plated audio jacks to use as an anode.
Gold is plenty inert enough. If you can't get that, a carbon electrode (thick pencil lead) will probably also work.

Is it worth using potassium chloride as the electrolyte instead of sodium chloride as it's cations have a much lower electrode potential than H+, or is it a binary thing? (as long as the cation has a lower electrode potential it should work?)
No- it's a binary thing. Potassium is no better than sodium for this application.

Hmm, I guess It's not the cation that's a problem "Care must be taken in choosing an electrolyte, since an anion from the electrolyte is in competition with the hydroxide ions to give up an electron. An electrolyte anion with less standard electrode potential than hydroxide will be oxidized instead of the hydroxide".
It's actually more complicated than this, since there's an overvoltage for the production of oxygen. This means that while chloride is harder to oxidize than water, you often get chlorine instead of oxygen anyway.

***ing Homeopaths! Try doing a product search for Sodium sulphate or Glauber's salt and all you get is homeopathic remedies!
...I think I can use Magnesium Sulphate, Epsom salts! Magnesium is the last cation that is suitable but I think it should work.
Any chemists here want to correct me before I go off and build a Hoffman voltameter?

Epsom salts should work. If you really don't want to risk getting a metal instead of hydrogen, use dilute sulphuric acid. Or make sodium sulphate by adding a bit of baking soda to some sulphuric acid. Surely you can get battery acid?

[Orangutan]

Epsom salts should work. If you really don't want to risk getting a metal instead of hydrogen, use dilute sulphuric acid. Or make sodium sulphate by adding a bit of baking soda to some sulphuric acid. Surely you can get battery acid?

Thanks for the reply. I think I'll try epsom salts first as I want to make an instructable and I'd rather not use battery acid unless I have to.

Would I get a magnesium coted anode then? That would be pretty cool too. I could scrape it off, dry it and burn it! :)

[Madalch]

Thanks for the reply. I think I'll try epsom salts first as I want to make an instructable and I'd rather not use battery acid unless I have to.

Would I get a magnesium coted anode then? That would be pretty cool too. I could scrape it off, dry it and burn it!
You probably won't get magnesium coating the anode (depending on what it's made of).

You could try alum instead- potassium aluminum sulphate.