Rasmussen Polling--22% Believe Bush Knew In Advance

[Brainster]

Here's an interesting poll result (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance ):

Overall, 22% of all voters believe the President knew about the attacks in advance. A slightly larger number, 29%, believe the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. White Americans are less likely than others to believe that either the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. (Young) Americans are more likely than their elders to believe the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance.

The breakdowns by party are as one might expect; about 35% of Democrats believe Bush knew, versus about 12% of Republicans and 18% of independents.

Note in particular that the question is foreknowledge and so presumably this includes both LIHOP and MIHOP proponents, and possibly even non-LIHOP, "Incompetence Theorists".

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Why didn't they ask more pointed questions like, "Did the CIA know that attacks were planned for 9/11 that involved using airplanes as weapons?"

[Redtail]

Why didn't they ask more pointed questions like, "Did the CIA know that attacks were planned for 9/11 that involved using airplanes as weapons?"

Because then they would likely get 6% saying yes with a 5% margin of error.

[jhunter1163]

I've seen somewhere (and I believe it's true) that when polling, you'll get 6% smartass answers. You could poll whether the sun comes up every morning and 6% would say no just to be wiseasses.

[knot]

Apparently, they knew who, what, where, and why - just not when.

National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States: The following is the text of an item from the Presidential Daily Brief received by President William J. Clinton on December 4, 1998. Redacted material is indicated in brackets.

SUBJECT: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks

1. Reporting [-] suggests Bin Ladin and his allies are preparing for attacks in the US, including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh 'Umar 'Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, and Muhammad Sadiq 'Awda. One source quoted a senior member of the Gama'at al-Islamiyya (IG) saying that, as of late October, the IG had completed planning for an operation in the US on behalf of Bin Ladin, but that the operation was on hold.A senior Bin Ladin operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit IG counterparts in the US soon thereafter to discuss options-perhaps including an aircraft hijacking.

Source: many, here's the first one: http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/2006/01/clinton-knew-9-11-attack-was-coming.html

[defaultdotxbe]

I've seen somewhere (and I believe it's true) that when polling, you'll get 6% smartass answers. You could poll whether the sun comes up every morning and 6% would say no just to be wiseasses.
the pollster on penn and tellers BS said 7% will answer yes no matter what the question is (i presume another 7% will always answer no)

[Thunder]

Clearly they knew something was coming and it may have been a hijacking. No locations or targets though...nor talk of a suicide hijacking. But still, Bush should have been better prepared for hijackings and should have had jets at the ready.

[ImaginalDisc]

Why isn't the response 100%?

August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html)

[jhunter1163]

Clearly they knew something was coming and it may have been a hijacking. No locations or targets though...nor talk of a suicide hijacking. But still, Bush should have been better prepared for hijackings and should have had jets at the ready.

At the ready where? The US is a big place. It's simply not possible to have jets at the ready to intercept a threat anywhere in the US within the amount of time NORAD had on 9/11.

[T.A.M.]

but...but...what happened to the other 62% of the population that is on the truthers side...what happened to them?

TAM;)

[JimBenArm]

but...but...what happened to the other 62% of the population that is on the truthers side...what happened to them?

TAM;)
The drugs wore off.

[Quad4_72]

I've seen somewhere (and I believe it's true) that when polling, you'll get 6% smartass answers. You could poll whether the sun comes up every morning and 6% would say no just to be wiseasses.

And thats exactly why I don't pay attention to surveys, whether they reinforce my point or not.

[gumboot]

Clearly they knew something was coming and it may have been a hijacking. No locations or targets though...nor talk of a suicide hijacking. But still, Bush should have been better prepared for hijackings and should have had jets at the ready.



There were. Seven pair of fighters spread across the edges of the Contiguous United States, on 24hr standby alert, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, able to be on route to target in 15 minutes. Intercepts were routine. (Although there hadn't been a hijacking in years. Most of the missions were drug smuggling related.)

-Gumboot

[Civilized Worm]

22% sounds far more reasonable.

[apathoid]

but...but...what happened to the other 62% of the population that is on the truthers side...what happened to them?

TAM;)

Are the FEMA death camps finally open? If so, it's about friggin' time!!

[T.A.M.]

we need a drum kit with hihat/cymbal smilie

TAM:)

[David Wong]

Why isn't the response 100%?

August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html)

That's right... All the needed to do was put a 24-hour watch on every plane in America, and every building in America, for the rest of eternity.

After all, they had the briefing!

[soundaddicted]

That's right... All the needed to do was put a 24-hour watch on every plane in America, and every building in America, for the rest of eternity.

After all, they had the briefing!

And Massoui's computer, and they were watching all the hijackers, and 11 countries warned them.

[Hourglassmemory]

Clearly they knew something was coming and it may have been a hijacking. No locations or targets though...nor talk of a suicide hijacking. But still, Bush should have been better prepared for hijackings and should have had jets at the ready.

Exactly!
It all happened because of incompetence and human error.
Not a goddamn Illuminati/Nazi/Reptillian/NWO conspiracy.
All the evidence points away from these hypotheses, unless you're paranoid, doubt everything, and think too much.

[WildCat]

But still, Bush should have been better prepared for hijackings and should have had jets at the ready.
Ready to do what? Shoot down airliners full of civilians? Remember, hijacked airliners had never been used in this way before.

[gumboot]

Why isn't the response 100%?

August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html)



Hah! That's as vague as possible!

Almost all of that intel dated back to 1998!

Useless. There's nothing in that entire document that is even remotely actionable.

-Gumboot

[gumboot]

And Massoui's computer

They weren't granted a search warrant.




and they were watching all the hijackers


No they weren't.




and 11 countries warned them.

Warned them what? That 19 islamic terrorist were going to hijack four domestic US airliners on September 11 and fly them into buildings?

Which countries, specifically?

-Gumboot

[Civilized Worm]

And Massoui's computer, and they were watching all the hijackers, and 11 countries warned them.


So you admit that there were islamic terrorists?

[ImaginalDisc]

That's right... All the needed to do was put a 24-hour watch on every plane in America, and every building in America, for the rest of eternity.

After all, they had the briefing!

You don't understand the point. Firstly, it's a briefing, that 9/11 Commission reports shows that there was quite a lot of good data and the administration simply dropped the ball. Secondly, it is warning of an imminent attack. Ergo, Bush knew it was coming. Being able to prevent it is an entirely different matter.

[gumboot]

You don't understand the point. Firstly, it's a briefing, that 9/11 Commission reports shows that there was quite a lot of good data and the administration simply dropped the ball. Secondly, it is warning of an imminent attack. Ergo, Bush knew it was coming. Being able to prevent it is an entirely different matter.



Have you read that memo?

It's neither of the things you claim it is.

-Gumboot

[ImaginalDisc]

Have you read that memo?

It's neither of the things you claim it is.

-Gumboot

It is a Presidential Daily Briefing. It is titled, "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US."

[gumboot]

It is a Presidential Daily Briefing. It is titled, "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US."


Determined since 1998...

I don't know about you, but I don't consider 3 year old intelligence to be "imminent".

-Gumboot

[soundaddicted]

Determined since 1998...

I don't know about you, but I don't consider 3 year old intelligence to be "imminent".

-Gumboot

If it was just 3 year old intelligence why was it included in his morning briefing on August 6th 2001? Do they just randomly decide what old news they will toss on the presidents desk?

[Civilized Worm]

Do you or do you not agree that there were islamic terrorists?

[Brainster]

And it specifically said that they had been unable to confirm the more sensational claims of airline hijackings in order to secure the release of other terrorists. That is to say, a traditional hijacking where the passengers become hostages, not where the plane becomes a missile aimed at a building.

[soundaddicted]

Nonsense Brainster, in the summit in Europe in June of that year they had prepared for hijacked planes used as missiles. They knew it was a specific threat.

[gumboot]

If it was just 3 year old intelligence why was it included in his morning briefing on August 6th 2001? Do they just randomly decide what old news they will toss on the presidents desk?



For all we know the Presidential Briefing had included a similar memo regarding Osama Bin Laden every single day for the last 3 years.

Feel free to dispute it if you want, but the fact is right there in black and white, that the information was 2-3 years old. I'm not making this up.

-Gumboot

[Brainster]

Nonsense Brainster, in the summit in Europe in June of that year they had prepared for hijacked planes used as missiles. They knew it was a specific threat.

Not necessarily hijacked planes; remember that a kook had crashed a small (stolen) plane into the White House in 1994. And it was assumed in Genoa that this would be an assassination attempt against the President.

[Civilized Worm]

Nonsense Brainster, in the summit in Europe in June of that year they had prepared for hijacked planes used as missiles. They knew it was a specific threat.


So you admit that it was islamic terrorists? Or are you just going to keep dodging my question?

[Darth Rotor]

Not necessarily hijacked planes; remember that a kook a freedom hating, brainwashed NWO operative had crashed a small (stolen) plane into the White House in 1994.
There, fixed it to where a CT can understand what you are talking about. :cool:

DR

[Travis]

Why isn't the response 100%?

August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html)

You keep referring to that briefing/memo, I do not think it says what you seem to think it says.

[DarkMagician]

Nonsense Brainster, in the summit in Europe in June of that year they had prepared for hijacked planes used as missiles. They knew it was a specific threat.

Source? Or was this a friend of a friend of a moron?

[twinstead]

Nonsense Brainster, in the summit in Europe in June of that year they had prepared for hijacked planes used as missiles. They knew it was a specific threat.

Then why on Earth do you post things that imply you think 911 was an inside job?

What you have is either LIHOP, or much more likely GWB, as probably the worst president in US history, dropping the ball.

[Travis]

Source? Or was this a friend of a friend of a moron?

Close, it was the cousin of the exroommate of the karate instructor of the moron.

[FactCheck]

This is just a repeat of the truther poll. I would still like to create a poll to see how many people believe the government blew up the towers. I really don't think it would be a waste of money. It would put the truthers in their place.

[David Wong]

If it was just 3 year old intelligence why was it included in his morning briefing on August 6th 2001? Do they just randomly decide what old news they will toss on the presidents desk?

It's hilarious how people think this vague talk of a possible hijacking threat was the ONLY THREAT going on at the time. Or that it was even the most serious threat. Pretty easy to say, after the fact.

But at the time? Quite the opposite. It was a DAILY briefing, one of a pile of possible threats that land on the president's desk on any given day. You also had talk of cyber terrorism, and dirty bombs, and biological weapons, and attacks on nuclear plants, or poisoning water supplies, or suicide bombings at a shopping mall, or nukes coming in on ports... PLUS the growing tension with China (does nobody remember the spy plane incident?) and North Korea and all the other threats in the world.

This thing about hijacked planes was lost in the pile. On that day, in August, there was nothing that jumped out about that particular threat. It was only after the fact that it looks obvious.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

This thing about hijacked planes was lost in the pile. On that day, in August, there was nothing that jumped out about that particular threat. It was only after the fact that it looks obvious.

Heh. It's kinda of like going over Nostradamus quatrains and finding which ones can be twisted to match events that just happened.

[Rrramon]

First one to name the logical fallacy that is being committed when Truthers attempt to use polls like this to bolster their case gets 1/10 of the next paycheck the Mossad sends me every month to argue with CTists on the internet.

[Brainster]

Argumentum ad popularum.

Oh, cripes, they pay you in Moloch owls too?

[apathoid]

First one to name the logical fallacy that is being committed when Truthers attempt to use polls like this to bolster their case gets 1/10 of the next paycheck the Mossad sends me every month to argue with CTists on the internet.

Argumentum ad populum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum)?






ETA: Speak of the Moloch and he appears......beaten by Brainster

[gumboot]

It's hilarious how people think this vague talk of a possible hijacking threat was the ONLY THREAT going on at the time. Or that it was even the most serious threat. Pretty easy to say, after the fact.

But at the time? Quite the opposite. It was a DAILY briefing, one of a pile of possible threats that land on the president's desk on any given day.



Quite right, this memo was simply a brief two-page summary of Osama's intent. It was simply a small part of the intelligence briefing, not the entire thing.

-Gumboot

[Civilized Worm]

Let the record show that he never answered my question after I asked him THREE TIMES.

[Travis]

Let the record show that he never answered my question after I asked him THREE TIMES.

And so it is, the record now shows Civilized Worm: 3 | Soundaddicted: BANNED