Which one is the worst 9/11 conspiracy movie this far?

[ref]

We have had a truckload of movies trying to prove 9/11 was an inside job. Which one is the worst? It could be most insulting, most wrong in every detail, most plain stupid or whatever. Give any reasons you want. Post your reason why the particular movie you have chosen is the worst of this bunch. All the movies are not seen by all the people here, so this is somewhat of a biased poll, but who cares :p

And wait until I post the poll! I don't know how to do it until after I submit the thread.

[ref]

I just had to go with The Pentacon :rolleyes:

It ignores so many aspects and evidence it's unbelievable.

ETA: So do the other movies, but this is my choice anyway :)

[Undesired Walrus]

Terrorstorm.

Awful, awful, awful sack of crap.

[The Doc]

9/11 Mysteries. Why? See my signature :)

[NeoRicen]

I voted 9/11 Mysteries cos it's the only one I've seen in full.

[Foolmewunz]

I voted for "Some Other" because.... well, because I'm an idiot and didn't read the question where it said "this(thus) far".....

I was going to say that although we seem to think the latest (The Pentacon) is the lowest and most improbable and dumbest, there's always another coming up, and it can get worse, guys.... IT CAN GET WORSE.

But - since you wanted "worst to date"......

Well, never mind.

[gumboot]

The Pentacon.

It debunks itself.

-Gumboot

[ref]

I voted for "Some Other" because.... well, because I'm an idiot and didn't read the question where it said "this(thus) far".....

I was going to say that although we seem to think the latest (The Pentacon) is the lowest and most improbable and dumbest, there's always another coming up, and it can get worse, guys.... IT CAN GET WORSE.

But - since you wanted "worst to date"......

Well, never mind.

We don't mind :) And you are right, it can get worse.

[Liszt]

Is Press for Truth not considered a CT film?

[ref]

Is Press for Truth not considered a CT film?

Like someone said, it doesn't seem to contain any real actual claims. I have seen only snippets of it, so I can't tell for sure.

[Mobyseven]

Loose Change, because it seems to be a sort of go-to movie for the CT-ers, and because its creators are the most successful so far at bilking people out of money while presenting claims they know to be false. They just have to know...surely.

[Hourglassmemory]

Anything done by Alex Jones, because ti polutes the minds of anyone who watches it with "an open mind". In other owrds anyone who doesn't mind distorting their vision of reality for a few seconds. Just like New Age people who interpret their random reaction in their brains as intergalactic messages.
But really though, all of them are equally bad and horrible and debunkable and full of crap.
They're the "Jesus Camp" of political issues.

[gumboot]

Like someone said, it doesn't seem to contain any real actual claims. I have seen only snippets of it, so I can't tell for sure.


It repeats some of the same old claims, but it mainly focuses on how the Jersey Girls are pissed off because the 9/11 Commission didn't point the finger at a government official and say "it's his fault" so they had no one to lynch.

-Gumboot

[CurtC]

I haven't seen all the ones on that list, but the one that made me want to reach through my computer monitor and choke the narrator was Pandora's Black Box. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[Bobert]

WOW!
Overwhelming majority so far for The Pentacon.
It is good to see!
Merc and Lyte have been ghosts as of late.

[Schmitt.]

I'm finding it hard to choose between Terrorstorm and the Pentacon. Both are very, very bad.

I've an especial loathing for Terrorstorm because occasionally someone will post a list of American false flag attacks many of which had nothing to do with America, or never happened, or weren't false flag attacks even if you accept the arguments of Terrorstorm in full, and that list seems to find its genesis in that bloody movie. And then on top of that is the usual round of complete fabrication, stating speculation and the unconfirmed as fact, etc.

Pentacon's just daft. Whoever the makers are have absolutely no idea how to make an argument and there doesn't seem to be an attempt to evaluate the bulk of evidence, so God knows what they're trying to do.

[Firestone]

I voted Loose Change, simply because it's the only one I've seen in full.

[Horatius]

WOW!
Overwhelming majority so far for The Pentacon.
It is good to see!
Merc and Lyte have been ghosts as of late.



It seems to be the run-away winner, and that's no surprise. Months of build-up, thousands of posts about how it'll be the bestest thing ever, followed by it's complete failure to accomplish it's goal. In fact, as mentioned earlier, it's even self-debunking, so rather than moving CTs into the mainstream, they actually managed to push them farther towards the fringe.

Add in it's failure to even convince a majority of the twoofers, and the creators continued insistence that it's not a complete failure, and well, the competition just can't keep up. All they have going for them is garden-variety stupid, which the Pentacon also has, in spades.

[mortimer]

The Pentacon, hands down. Not only were the claims made the most outrageous yet, but also it was the most poorly produced and least interesting to watch CT vid yet. At least Loose Change, as a work of fiction, was marginally interesting.

[Arus808]

WOW!
Overwhelming majority so far for The Pentacon.
It is good to see!
Merc and Lyte have been ghosts as of late.

they are very active on the Myspace forums, because its only there they find comfort in the idiots who plague that website.

[Pardalis]

I voted Loose Change, simply because it's the only one I've seen in full.

Yeah, I don't think I have the stomach to watch all of them.

[Totovader]

Had to go for PentaCon simply for the fact that it debunks itself.

Terrorstorm is a close 2nd, though- the amount of lies in there is just staggering...

[Arus808]

they are very active on the Myspace forums, because its only there they find comfort in the idiots who plague that website.


I'll take that back. Merc was just banned from all myspace forums.
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1607/20070507123502yj2.jpg

[Civilized Worm]

Does David Icke have a video?

[ihaunter]

Haven't seen all of them, but of the ones I've seen, "The PentaCon" takes the win. Not only was it self-debunking, but thanks to Lyte and Merc's over-confidence in it, it was almost completely "pre-bunked".

[Bobert]

I am sooo excited for Lyte!
Where is he BTW?
Did the NWO pick he and Merc up?

[gmarshall]

So many choices but I have to vote for Killtown's "Back in Black Boxes".
The total lack of reasoning just puts it over the top for me.

[Brainache]

I haven't watched all the vids in the poll, but I voted for Pentacon. Worst camera work, worst sound, stupidest premise, all the pre-release hype and the fact that Lyte and Merc continue to tell us that they believe their own rubbish just makes it an all round winner in my book.

[realitybites]

The original post is an almost impossible task.

It's like asking, "Which Telletubby creeps you out more?" You can't answer something like that.

... But I went with PentaCon. Only because I judged solely on "movie title" criteria. It would've gone to "In Plane Sight", but I half suspect that the guy who made the film went with that spelling not because of the double-meaning, but because he just didn't know any better.

[Slayhamlet]

I voted for Pentacon. I haven't even seen it (nor do I plan to), but just looking at the premise has convinced me that it's a veritable monument to Troofer inanity.

[The Great Hairy One]

I can't actually vote, because I've not seen the majority of those movies (some I've never even heard of before this poll listed them). To be strictly fair and arbitrary, I'd have to watch all of them to enable a fair judgment.

And I really, really like my brain waaaaay to much to subject it to such horrors.

Cheers,
TGHO

[beachnut]

It is tough to vote on stuff this bad; truthy bad.

I found another bad video, with credits to prove it. (or was this video so bad it is not allowed on the thread)

Open Complicity: Anatomy of the 9/11 Cover-Up http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=347655064407137426&hl=en

Credits are the proof of woo : Michael Rivero whatreallyhappened.com Jim Hoofman and Don Paul 911research.wtc7.net, Paul Thompson cooperativeresearch.org, Alex Jones Pual and Steve Watson prisonplanet.com, Christophoer Bollyn americanfreepress.com, John Hankey jfkii.com.

Why is this the worse truther video of all time? Could it be Alex Jones talking at the end? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh over an hour of junk, and a veiled attempt to blame everyone but 19 terrorist. (you know it is bad when 10/10 loyal LCF LC fans rate this high)

This video has all the great ones, "pull it", puts, et al. Show this video to people and the ones that like it can be fired before their lack of knowledge, before they destroy your business. I can not believe I watched this, it is like falling a pit with thousands of pdohs like creatures all ranting about 9/11 with no facts or evidence.

[Gravy]

I've only seen three of them. I voted for Loose Change because they had three shots at it and still got everything wrong.

[Pardalis]

I've only seen three of them. I voted for Loose Change because they had three shots at it and still got everything wrong.

To be fair we haven't seen the third attempt yet...

Post this again in a month or so. :)

[Brainster]

I voted other for Who Killed John O'Neill, which is really, really hard to sit through. Loose Change, and 9-11 Mysteries, for all their well-documented flaws, are at least entertaining. WKJO is the kind of film where if it was shown at the bus stop, people would decide to walk.

[LashL]

To be fair we haven't seen the third attempt yet...

Post this again in a month or so. :)

I think we have seen three attempts so far. If memory serves, there was Loose Change, Loose Change 2nd Edition, and Loose Change 2nd Edition Recut. Thus, Loose Change "Final Insult" will be the fourth attempt.

ETA: But I voted for 9/11 Mysteries because of that annoying, robotic voice, the crappy "research," that went into it, "clunkety clunk," and, well, because I spent a lot of tme reviewing it in detail while helping with the copy editing of the 9/11 Mysteries Viewer's Guide. ;)

[ref]

It is tough to vote on stuff this bad; truthy bad.

I found another bad video, with credits to prove it. (or was this video so bad it is not allowed on the thread)

Open Complicity: Anatomy of the 9/11 Cover-Up http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=347655064407137426&hl=en

Credits are the proof of woo : Michael Rivero whatreallyhappened.com Jim Hoofman and Don Paul 911research.wtc7.net, Paul Thompson cooperativeresearch.org, Alex Jones Pual and Steve Watson prisonplanet.com, Christophoer Bollyn americanfreepress.com, John Hankey jfkii.com.

Why is this the worse truther video of all time? Could it be Alex Jones talking at the end? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh over an hour of junk, and a veiled attempt to blame everyone but 19 terrorist. (you know it is bad when 10/10 loyal LCF LC fans rate this high)

This video has all the great ones, "pull it", puts, et al. Show this video to people and the ones that like it can be fired before their lack of knowledge, before they destroy your business. I can not believe I watched this, it is like falling a pit with thousands of pdohs like creatures all ranting about 9/11 with no facts or evidence.

That's a good candidate, beach. I heard of it too late, so it is not included in the poll options. I'm not too sure I want to watch it after reading your post.. :eye-poppi

[ref]

So many choices but I have to vote for Killtown's "Back in Black Boxes".
The total lack of reasoning just puts it over the top for me.

That's a bad one too. I left it out of the options, because it's so short clip.

[beachnut]

You do have an "other" option, and that should do a good job of covering the rest of the junk.

Open Complicity: Anatomy of the 9/11 Cover-Up http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...07137426&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...07137426&hl=en)

If I had known Alex Jones was wrapping it all up at the end, I would not of watched it. Alex Jones stuff does not even qualify as bad. There are no adjectives invented to describe anything Alex Jones is in.

[ref]

I voted other for Who Killed John O'Neill, which is really, really hard to sit through. Loose Change, and 9-11 Mysteries, for all their well-documented flaws, are at least entertaining. WKJO is the kind of film where if it was shown at the bus stop, people would decide to walk.

I had never ever heard of that. The film's website states:

"One Actor, One Room, Seven Characters: 9/11.

Traumatized by the September 11th attacks, one man struggles to dismantle official history, at the expense of his sanity and even his life. Grappling with multiple realities - and multiple personalities - he must retreat into his mind in pursuit of the truth. In a fictional film about non-fictional events, there is a place where belief and faith will blind you, where nothing is sacred, and to get there all you have to do is ask:

'Who killed John O'Neill?'"

I would definitely walk from that bus stop :D


In the poll, looks like The Pentacon has no competition. Although Gravy had a good point. LC has had three chances and still gets it all wrong. Think about three Pentacons, could they do any better :rolleyes:

[The Doc]

The creators of 9/11 Mysteries still aren't responding to my emails :(

[ref]

The creators of 9/11 Mysteries still aren't responding to my emails :(

Maybe there is a slight chance, they don't appreciate your work. Wonder why :p

[Corsair 115]

The original post is an almost impossible task.

It's like asking, "Which Telletubby creeps you out more?" You can't answer something like that.Actually, I think you can answer that question: ALL of them.

LC has had three chances and still gets it all wrong. Think about three Pentacons, could they do any better :rolleyes:To quote Col. Kurtz: "The horror. The horror."

[Oliver]

That's an easy one: "Hoodwinked at Shanksville". Oh wait, it's
not on the list. Then it's "The Pentacon".

[gumboot]

There would never be a new version of The Pentacon because its creators think it's perfect.

-Gumboot

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Flight 93

[Pardalis]

Flight 93

You can't even get the title right. :rolleyes:

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Flight 93
Wrong genre.

Flight 93:
Genre:
Drama (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Genres/Drama/) / History (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Genres/History/)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475276/

Compare to Loose Change 2nd ed:
Genre:
Documentary (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Genres/Documentary/)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0831315/

[skepticalcriticalguy]

You can't even get the title right. :rolleyes:

Flight 93 was made for A&E. It's available at Amazon on DVD. So is United 93, which is what you think I meant. Actually, United 93 wasn't quite as bad. But it does come in second on my list.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Flight 93 was made for A&E. It's available at Amazon on DVD. So is United 93, which is what you think I meant. Actually, United 93 wasn't quite as bad. But it does come in second on my list.
Still an apples to oranges comparison:
Genre:Drama (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Genres/Drama/) / History (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Genres/History/) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481522/

[Pardalis]

What do you know, I didn't know about that one. Another movie about the brave heroes of flight 93. I'll check it out.

Thanks.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

What do you know, I didn't know about that one. Another movie about the brave heroes of flight 93. I'll check it out.

Thanks.
The names changed


IMDb Search

A search for "flight 93" found the following results:
Popular Results


Popular Titles (Displaying 1 Result)
United 93 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0475276/) (2006)
aka "Flight 93" - USA (working title)
Other Results

Titles (Exact Matches) (Displaying 1 Result)
Flight 93 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481522/) (2006) (TV)

[skepticalcriticalguy]

The names changed

They were two different movies. One was on A&E (Arts & Entertainment channel), the other was released to theaters. Both are on DVD. And bad.

http://www.amazon.com/Flight-93-Movie-Jeffrey-Nordling/dp/B000EYJHDS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-5874689-8547231?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1178670267&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/United-93-Widescreen-Christian-Clemenson/dp/B000GH3CR0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-5874689-8547231?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1178670267&sr=8-2

Don't say I never brought anything productive to the forum. ;)

[LashL]

Argh - posting problems, duplicate deleted.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

They were two different movies. One was on A&E (Arts & Entertainment channel), the other was released to theaters. Both are on DVD. And bad.

http://www.amazon.com/Flight-93-Movie-Jeffrey-Nordling/dp/B000EYJHDS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-5874689-8547231?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1178670267&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/United-93-Widescreen-Christian-Clemenson/dp/B000GH3CR0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-5874689-8547231?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1178670267&sr=8-2

Don't say I never brought anything productive to the forum. ;)

DID YOU EVEN LOOK AT THE TWO LINKS IN THE POST YOU QUOTED?! I provided links directly to both United 93 and Flight 93 on imdb.com.

[LashL]

Still an apples to oranges comparison:
Genre:Drama (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Genres/Drama/) / History (http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Genres/History/) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0481522/

Stop confusing SCG with facts, Arkan. It's, like, totally unfair.:rolleyes:

[skepticalcriticalguy]

DID YOU EVEN LOOK AT THE TWO LINKS IN THE POST YOU QUOTED?! I provided links directly to both United 93 and Flight 93 on imdb.com.

You also said that the name changed. Was under the impression that you, sir, thought it was two different movies.

No, I didn't click the links. I have 15 browsers open right now, didn't want to crash my system.

But I do sure apologize!

[skepticalcriticalguy]

Argh - posting problems, duplicate deleted.

Not true. It wasn't a duplication. This one said "never mind" before you deleted it.

[ref]

I hereby announce, that the worst CT film to date, voted by the critical JREF audience is... The Pentacon!

There was no fierce competition. 9/11 Mysteries came in remote second, while Loose Change crawled into third place.

Congratulations top three!

:cheerleader5

[gumboot]

Flight 93 was made for A&E. It's available at Amazon on DVD. So is United 93, which is what you think I meant. Actually, United 93 wasn't quite as bad. But it does come in second on my list.


United 93, from a filmmakers' perspective, is an excellent film.

-Gumboot

[Bobert]

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S!!!!!

To Lyte Trip and the rest (I should say 1 other) of the CIT crew!!

[Bobert]

BTW when you look at the poll results it looks like "The Pentacon" got ONE MIDDLE FINGER WAY UP instead of 2 thumbs up.

[Mobyseven]

BTW when you look at the poll results it looks like "The Pentacon" got ONE MIDDLE FINGER WAY UP instead of 2 thumbs up.

It's almost like we planned it that way... :D

[Bobert]

mwhahahahahahaha the NWO works in all kinds of mysterious ways!!!