(Ed) Psychics go to Portugal in search of missing child

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Anything Sylvia can lower herself to do, it seems we have psychics here in the UK who can beat her in the realms of self promotion and distaste.

Most of us here in the UK are currently witnessing blanket 24 hour news coverage of a missing girl who was in holiday in Portugal with her parents. It appears she was abducted from her hotel room while her parents were eating a meal a short distance away in the hotel restaurant. It is a very distressing case and the omens are certainly not looking good.

Full details can be obtained from BBC news site:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6651307.stm

I guess the case so far has been just too horrific that I hadn't given any thought to when the blood sucking psychics would get involved.

I've just read on Holy Moly (which is a very very irreverent celebrity site) that two psychics have gone to Portugal to assist with the search.

Subject: Two UK psychic detectives have arrived in Portugal in a bid to help track down missing toddler Madeleine McCann.
Reply-To: xxxxxxxxxxxx

Hi,
We've just had this great story come about a couple of our clients and thought that it may be of interest to you.

Two UK psychic detectives have arrived in Portugal in a bid to help track down missing toddler Madeleine McCann.
Amanda Hart from St Albans and Ben Murphy from Watford believe their psychic powers could provide the missing key in finding the three year old who has been missing since last Thursday.
Madeleine is believed to have been taken from her bed while her parents were eating at a nearby restaurant close to their holiday apartment in the Algarve village of Praia da Luz in Portugal.
They had been regularly checking on her and their two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, before she went missing.
Amanda Hart, who has appeared on Tricia Goddards Psychic Challenge and regularly presented her own psychic radio show, says she has been receiving vital clues as to the childs whereabouts. Her partner, Ben Murphy who was involved in helping track down the murderer of teenager Sally Anne Bowman last year, has also had psychic impressions of her location.
The pair arrived in Portugal on Friday and are hoping to use Amanda’s ability as a psychic ‘tracker’ to help find Madeleine.
Spokesman Kizzi Nkwocha said: “Both Amanda and Ben have proven their psychic abilities beyond any doubt. They now hope to use these powers to help find Madeleine. Any information they get will be made available to the authorities in Portugal.”

If you'd like any further information about Amanda and Ben or news of their progress, please feel free to contact Kizzi Nkwocha on the following number or email.

Kizzi Nkwocha
Tel: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.prhq.co.uk

Link here : http://www.holymoly.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=526&Itemid=9

(note some aspects of this site my not be safe for work)

The gist of it is that the two psychics have engaged a PR agency to issue a press release, I guess to potentially interested agencies, that they are going to Portugal. One of them will be known to anyone who watched the dreadful Britain's Psychic Challenge at the start of last year.

Like, WHY? How sick are these people.

I am making assumptions at the moment, that the source for this is all legitimate. It will be interesting to see if any details of this story emerge through any other news sources in the next couple of days.

[Professor Yaffle]

So why does the title say Spain when they have gone to Portugal where it happened?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

So why does the title say Spain when they have gone to Portugal where it happened?

Because I'm an idiot is obvious answer.

Spain/Portugal, often mistakenly considered to be the same place in the minds of budget holidaymakers from the UK, and obviously to my subconsious as well.

[wahrheit]

Spokesman Kizzi Nkwocha said: “Both Amanda and Ben have proven their psychic abilities beyond any doubt. They now hope to use these powers to help find Madeleine. Any information they get will be made available to the authorities in Portugal.”

There's some typos in that part, let me try to fix it:

Media whore Kizzi Nkwocha said: “Both Amanda and Ben have proven their unscrupulousness beyond any doubt. They now hope to use these desperate parents to get some more media presence. Any information they get will not be made public. They will make stuff up regarding their predictions after authorities in Portugal released more details.”

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

For £50 anyone can request a press release from this bunch.

http://www.prhq.co.uk/press_release_publicity.html

For a one-off fee of £50.00 ($80.00) our writers will create news or feature release according to your requirements.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Picture of Amanda Hart here:

http://www.five.tv/programmes/psychicchallenge/psychics/

She is a "clairsentient" - I profess to absolutely no idea what means.

Although, after reading this interview on the BBC website regarding her appearance in the afore mentioned show, I suspect it means she is of less than average intelligence.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties/content/articles/2006/01/13/amanda_hart_psychic_feature.shtml

Surely though, if you're all psychic, you already know who's going to win?

Yes, we've all got a pretty good idea what's going to happen.

Really?

Oh yes

So who's going to win then?

I can't tell you that!

[Pythra]

The reward for finding Madeleine has reached £2.5m. Portugal is being turned upside down.

It is a really heartbreaking story, and I imagine the chances of Medeleine being found alive are extremely small at this point. What kind of disgusting human being would look upon this as an opportunity to publicly feed their fantasy of have super powers?

Oh that's right, 'professional' psychics.

[Moochie]

<snipped>

I've just read on Holy Moly (which is a very very irreverent celebrity site) that two psychics have gone to Portugal to assist with the search.


Hope they don't get lost -- then who would find them?

M.

[Azrael 5]

The Sally anne case was mentioned on here once,cannot find link right now.But Ben Murphy is as useless as you would expect.This was his info on Sally
http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/topstories/display.var.738005.0.sally_annes_mum_begs_police_t o_listen_to_medium.php (http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/topstories/display.var.738005.0.sally_annes_mum_begs_police_t o_listen_to_medium.php)

And reports of arrest of suspect currently awaiting trial
http://iccroydon.icnetwork.co.uk/advertiser/southcroydon/tm_headline=sally-anne-accused-appears-in-court&method=full&objectid=17877634&siteid=53340-name_page.html

Not called Justin.I will watch with interst at these two failing to help in any way.:mad:

ETA: Wasn't Amanda Hart on the channel 5 Psychic Challenge show?

[Azrael 5]

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=1385598&highlight=amanda+hart#post1385598

Post#149.

[Big Les]

I can't believe I didn't see this coming (har har). These people make me physically sick. FWIW, whatever the outcome, I hope these two scumbags slip up and make claims that are shown up, badly.

PS Bloody hell - I was peripherally involved in that psychic idol show! I showed the producer and some others around the Imperial War Museum's Duxford site. - they wanted to know if any of the aircraft were associated with known deaths :( As far as I knew none were, just the wrecked midget sub that's on display there. I was prepared to take part as an "expert" and would have done my best as a fledgling sceptic to not give them any "ins". But thankfully reason prevailed and the museum's director stopped the thing from going ahead.

So far I've worked for three museums, and two of them have been involved with psychics in some way. Scary!

[fuelair]

Hope they don't get lost -- then who would find them?

M.


Who would want to?:mad:

[neon]

This is just evil. Messing around with missing children...

:mad:

[Azrael 5]

On Psychic Chalenge Amanda Hart could't divine what was ina cardboard box,so what hop ehas she in locating a child in a Country?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I just found this through Google News

http://tinyurl.com/3yambd

Meanwhile, police and media organisations have been deluged with offers from self-proclaimed psychics with various claims. Police are not believed to be taking them seriously, nonetheless two "psychic trackers" from Hertfordshire have flown to the Algarve to begin their own hunt.

It really does just beggar belief.


Another observation I could make, but I don't want to dwell on too much, as I fully understand the pain the parents are going through, is the role the Catholic Church are playing in the support of the parents.

From the same article:

Madeleine vanished from her family's holiday flat in the village of Praia da Luz on the south coast of Portugal at 10pm on May 3.

Her family, devout Roman Catholics from Rothley in Leicestershire, have been visibly lifted by a series of special services in the Our Lady of the Light church in Praia da Luz.

Yesterday Mrs McCann managed a smile as she attended the packed morning mass at the church, supported by a friend and accompanied by Father Paul Seddon from Formby near Liverpool.

Father Seddon, who helped celebrate mass in the church, married the McCanns and baptised Madeleine.

Mrs McCann wept as in a Bible reading from John 14 she heard the lines: "Do not let your hearts be afraid. You heard me say, 'I am going away - and shall return'."

Mrs McCann left the church clutching a bouquet and Madeleine's Cuddle Cat, as local children handed out small pictures of her daughter with the words "Thank the Lord for the gift of Madeleine's life" handwritten on the back.


Is what the church is doing here all that far removed from two bumbling idiot psychics offering to help? I know the church isn't going to try to predict what the abductor looks like or where the girl is, however enouraging constant prayer could also be construed as giving false hope to the parents. My wife has got two chain messages in the last day on her mobile phone urging her to 'pray for Madeleine' or 'light a candle for Madeleine' from (what I would call) misguided friends.

As an atheist, I can't help but make this observation as it just feels so wrong, although I would never want to intrude on the torment the parents are going through.

[Azrael 5]

Im also an atheist but I assume the parents aren't.If they get some comfort or hope through prayers/faith then so be it.Its a natural thing.Were it psychics then I would be angry.

[Soapy Sam]

I don't give a damn if it's a psychic who finds the kid, so long as somebody does.
I also have opinions about people who leave three kids in a locked room while they go out to dinner. Not a fashionable view, but there it is.

[Big Les]

I don't think Azrael was saying he'd be angry if the psychics found the kid. Just if they were directly involved with/getting comfort from them rather than the Xtians. I agree that the two are poles apart as far as this situation goes.

Not that the psychics have any greater chance of doing so anyway. But you knew that.

[Slimething]

I don't give a damn if it's a psychic who finds the kid, so long as somebody does.
I also have opinions about people who leave three kids in a locked room while they go out to dinner. Not a fashionable view, but there it is.

My thoughts exactly. Hopefully the toddler will be found but not returned to her idiot parents. Who would have known they were religious?:eek:

[Azrael 5]

I don't think Azrael was saying he'd be angry if the psychics found the kid. Just if they were directly involved with/getting comfort from them rather than the Xtians. I agree that the two are poles apart as far as this situation goes.

Not that the psychics have any greater chance of doing so anyway. But you knew that.

Yep that's what I meant.I have no problem with people finding comfort through God/Prayer.It's harmless.Psychics aren't.

[Soapy Sam]

Agreed.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

It is harmless, relatively, and I agree with the sentiments. I just think it is easy to see how the church tightens its grip on people at times like these.

Incidentally, there was a chaplain/priest type person interviewed on Raio 5 Live this morning, just after 7 am.

Nicky Campbell pressed him on why God allowed such things to happen, and I am sure at one point, the guy almost said word for word 'god works in mysterious ways'. He didn't really have any answers to be honest. The he spouted some BS (which sounded like he had just made it up on the fly...) about how God gives us all the option to make our own choices, some people just make the wrong choices, and that seemingly explains why God allows toddlers to be abducted.

Thats the general gist of the interview anyway, I was just out of bed and a bit hazy....will be on BBC site if anyone is desperate to listen to it.

[Darat]

Well to be fair to him nearly 2000 years of "mainstream" Christian theology hasn't been able to come up with any better explanation!

(Mind you some of the gnostic Christians did come up with better answers.)

[Professor Yaffle]

Some would see it as "tightening their grip", others would see it as supporting one of their community when they were most in need of support...

[Silly Green Monkey]

Passing out pictures is more than just idle support---it will greatly help in the search to get her face in everyone's minds.

[darnell11]

[quote=FarSideOfTheMoon;2599441]Picture of Amanda Hart here:

http://www.five.tv/programmes/psychicchallenge/psychics/

They all have the same expression on their faces, you notice?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

[QUOTE=darnell11;2606898][quote=FarSideOfTheMoon;2599441]Picture of Amanda Hart here:

http://www.five.tv/programmes/psychicchallenge/psychics/

Probably all terrified that the programme was going to make them look like deluded/fraudulent idiots....oh wait....it did!:jaw-dropp

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

More deluded idiocy.

http://missingchild.wordpress.com/2007/04/30/psychics-and-missing-children/

I’ve developed an ability to ask a question, then with my eyes shut tight, flip through a dictionary and point my finger to the page. I land on relevant words MUCH more frequently than would be expected by chance. This doesn’t prove that the information is true, it only shows that the words landed on are relevant more often than expected. Last night I did three (and only three) questions regarding Madeleine:

Q. “Where is Madeleine McCann?”
A. I landed halfway between these two words:
escrow : something held independently until a condition is met
escudo : unit of Portuguese currency

Q. “But where is she?”
A. pressure cabin : an airtight cabin in an aircraft or spaceship

Q. “Come on, I need a specific location.”
A. I landed on a map of Morocco, specifically, Marrakesh

I went ahead and reported this information, on the off chance that I’m actually psychic.



There are 1000s of fake psychics but I offer this for free. I believe Madeleine was abducted by a tenage girl (18/19). She lives alone with a boy about 15 (brother?) in a house in a wooded area. There is a large lock-up garage and an old brown car (rounded shape, old Citroen style?). Madeleine has plenty of water to drink and adequate food. But the boy is jealous of her. There’s a cave at the back of the house. I think the girl make work in a child-caring capacity e.g bay sitter/creche so check the staff in the area.
I’ve had a few successes in the past but no clairvoyance can be guaranteed.
I don’t want publicity so there’s no need to contact me. I’m retired, living in England.
I send all my good wishes and I’m optimistic about the outcome

Also, is the Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention an official US organisation? Their advice seems a bit odd to me. Bolding is mine.

Keep an open mind — and a closed pocketbook — when considering the use of a psychic. Most parents are desperate to try anything, but they need to understand that there are very few true psychics. Many are fraudulent or, at best, misguided individuals who want to help so much that they have self-induced visions. Hearing their sometimes negative dreams and visions can cause undue stress, a loss of hope, or an unfounded sense of hope. If you are considering turning to a psychic, remember the following tips:

......

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Myspace rubbish this time.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=164335418

EMERGANCY CALLING ALL PSYCHICS AND MEDIUMS WORLDWIDE TO UNITE?

Hello there.. do you or any body you know be described as a psychic? a medium? because we need to bring all the psychics together and see what’s the trend in the finding of maddie McCann? I'm sure with enough psychic power together we can all find her! can you pass the word on to psychics? mediums you may know? were not just asking for psychics to help but her friends too!

We could find Maddie it’s a proven science..

Please pass this message on, copy and paste this message in other blogs... forums/web-sites..

HERES HOW IT WORKS... ALL PSYCHICS/MEDIUMS SEND ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE SAYING WHERE THEY BELIEVE HER TO BE? THAT DATA WILL THEN BE ANALISED (BY A WORLD RENOUNED PSYCHIC HERE IN LEICESTER UK) TO SEE IF THERE IS A CORALATION BETWEEN VISIONS AND IF SO... AFTER 20/50 REPORTS.. WE WILL MAKE THE FINDINGS PUBLIC AND ALERT THE RELIVENT AUTHOROTIES TO INVESTIGATE.

ALL WILL BE MADE PUBLIC ON THIS PROFILE.. REMEMBER MADDIE HAS NOTHING TO LOSE AND EVERTHING TO GAIN..

PLEASE EMAIL ME YOUR PSYCHIC REPORT THANK YOU.

GODS SPEED..

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T..

[Azrael 5]

Wisely Sylvia Browne hasn't joined this case...yet.

I’ve developed an ability to ask a question, then with my eyes shut tight, flip through a dictionary and point my finger to the page. I land on relevant words MUCH more frequently than would be expected by chance. This doesn’t prove that the information is true, it only shows that the words landed on are relevant more often than expected. Last night I did three (and only three) questions regarding Madeleine:


How does pointing a finger to a page single out words? Why only three questions? The more you ask the better,surely?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

You would have thought so.

As the number of psychic predictions increases (although it seems to be thankfully small at the moment), I'd wager there is a lot more chance of someone trying to claim a hit for this case some time in the future.

I wonder if we will hear much more from the 'big hitters' once there is a conclusion to the case or once it starts to fade from the public eye, and the media is looking for different angles to keep the story alive.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I've also seen this guy mentioned on some other forums as someone who should be able to help find Madeleine. He has dreams which turn out to have predicted most recent historical events. After they happened obviously

http://www.briansdreams.com/

Not sure he has been mentioned on JREF before, but certainly a fruitcake.

I realize that there are many people out there trying their best to discredit my work, saying I'm a fraud, even some that think I'm watching news reports then faking dreams about it. I have even seen where people have used image editing software, such as Photoshop, with several of my drawings inserting objects, numbers, letters etc. to make me look bad. My response to all of you out there doing this to me....BLESS YOU...you're only doing what I would have a few years ago...if I were to visit a site like this. Actually, I'm still skeptical myself self of my own dreams, but one thing I can tell you...I'm not making this stuff, nor have I ever.

Recently it's been brought to my attention that several individuals (now believed to be working for the US government) are devoting their life to prove that my abilities are fake, and are doing everything in their power to close down my site with D.N.S. and D.O.S. attacks. I really don't see what motivates people to do this, but was once told that if a person is blessed with a gift that others do not have, jealous ones will try and take it away. Ironically, the gift I have is aviable to everyone...I'm not special...and everyone reading this can do exactly what I can...you just need to believe. I'm not going to defend myself, nor any of my work I have done for the past three years, nor will I be seeking legal damages against groups dead set on discrediting me...they can say what they want, and so will I. A reader once told me, follow your heart, listen to those who truly care, and ignore the rest...and I have been doing this since day one.

I have been doing missing person readings and remote viewings for almost a year now, and have had truly amazing results. I have been asked many times if I have made any money from my readings, and the answer is still no. I have managed to respond to all requests in such a timely manner, there has been no need for private or rush readings, and this is a good thing.

So again, just to make it clear (to those who think I'm profiting from this), as of today's date, I have not made any money on any type of remote viewing, or missing person viewing...both public and private. If you wish me to do a reading for you, there is still no need to pay for it, as all RV's and MP RV's are done the same way, paying for it does not make a reading any more accurate.

Click here for more information about me and the latest critic remarks, and my responses.


and from the same page:

I do not sell this CD but I do have an affiliate link to the exact CD I use if you would like to try and so this...and as I've always said...anyone can do what I do...and wished more people would. Seems the CD has become very popular over the past few months, try doing a Google search on delta sleep. If you want to try the CD, please click on the image of the CD above, this allows me to receive credit for the referral.

and still from the same page:

You may have noticed that I do not accept reward monies nor percentages for lottery or gambling winnings, and there is a god reason for this...I'm not suppose it...and if I do, I have been told in dozens of dreams, I will lose my gift. Basically, what this means is that I cannot profit for helping others...period. Now don't get me wrong, I do like money, but I like helping people more. I have also figured a way to get around this issue and still make money using site membership fees...non-members still have full access to my nightly dreams, alerts, missing people and remote viewings, and limited access to my inventions sections, cures that maybe dangerous if tried, lottery, slot machine and stock picks. YOU DO NOT have to be a member to enjoy most of this site, however if you're interested is becoming a member it's only $1.99 US a month. click here to see current membership levels aviable.

And it does seem that on his critics page, someone has asked a couple of pertitent questions, which he has not actually answered in his reply:

Hi Brian

I have been monitoring your site for a while and I believe in your dreams

However the doubters posted some facts on some forums which I want to clear up and post ur response them. It would be great if u can reply.

1) Firstly why is your prediction website for sale? on these sites http://www.wwwgpay.com/

http://www.thehandthatheals.com http://www.wwwgpay.com advertising 'Domain For Sale, 457382 unique visits / $128.29 PPC for today' (Using the google adsense revenue program) Can is ask Why would you want to sell your site?

2) Secondly why has your site been removed by the http://www.archive.org/ which according to the doubters prevents anyone from checking that dreams are not being back dated ? According to them - You can email the web archive and they will say it has been requested to be removed by 'Brian Ladd'

Brian I am sure you have a good explanation these facts, and it would surely prove all these doubters wrong if you did so it would be great if you can just answer these 2 qns thanks

regards,

Matt

reply

Hi,


As stated before, I'm not going to try any prove anything about my site, however, this time I will make an exception.

I buy and sell domains for a living (that has been posted on my site for years), and have some 4,000 for sale, most with enom.com, and BriansPrediction.com is one of them.

Your looking at a WHOIS for one of those domains, when I do any whois updates I use a global edit command (this changes all my domains whois information)

I just checked whois from that domain and this is what I got:

Contact: domains@briansprediction.com

Domain name: BRIANSPREDICTION.COM

Registrant Contact:

Brian T (domain@briansprediction.com)
+1.3048674069
Fax: +1.3048674069
PO Box 1025
Berkeley Springs, WV 25411
US

Administrative Contact:

Brian T (domain@briansprediction.com)
+1.3048674069
Fax: +1.3048674069
PO Box 1025
Berkeley Springs, WV 25411
US

Technical Contact:

Brian T (domain@briansprediction.com)
+1.3048674069
Fax: +1.3048674069
PO Box 1025
Berkeley Springs, WV 25411
US

Status: Active

Name Servers:
ns1.briansprediction.com
ns2.briansprediction.com
ns3.briansprediction.com
ns4.briansprediction.com

Creation date: 18 Jan 2005 19:09:38
Expiration date: 18 Jan 2009 19:09:38

Why in the world would I want to sell this domain? Anyway, even if I did, what would be the motive for this?

And I have never requested that my site be removed from archive.org, I didn't even know I was on that site anyway. And if someone did do this I would like to see how, as it would have to come from my email address.

Please send me any information regarding this, and I will turn it over to my attorney in California. Also need a statement from archive.org stating why my domain was removed without my permission.


Have a wonderful day.

[wahrheit]

Q. “Where is Madeleine McCann?”
A. I landed halfway between these two words:
escrow : something held independently until a condition is met
escudo : unit of Portuguese currency


Madame Psychic must be referring to a missing child case that happened at least 5 years ago. :rolleyes:

[Big Les]

Myspace rubbish this time.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=164335418

The spelling and grammar makes my eyes bleed.

[TX50]

The spelling and grammar makes my eyes bleed.

Agreed. Amazing that they spell "psychic" consistently correctly though!

[Mr. Stick]

...THAT DATA WILL THEN BE ANALISED ... :boggled:

[casebro]

I would think that a "pyschic" could work from any distance. If at all. So, no psychic reason to go to Portugal. But I wonder what the tax advantages are? Are these two "psychics" taking a tax deductible vacation to Portugal? What are the tax rules in UK?

This is not my idea. It just came to me through psychic channels. I just got a feeling that not only are they charlatans, but also tax evaders.

[Beleth]

I've just read on Holy Moly (which is a very very irreverent celebrity site) that two psychics have gone to Portugal to assist with the search.
Maybe they're just doing what Claus asked them to do.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

More...

What is most worrying with this one, is that if you read the comments, there are people actually phoning the police and telling them to use psychics. There has been quite a lot of coverage in the media over the last few days about how the police are being overwhelmed by calls from the public, not surprising when there is a £2.5 million reward.

Some of these people probably think they are helping I guess.

http://tinyurl.com/ytrbss

Psychic advisors join the hunt for Madeleine McCann
Hunt for missing girl reaches a new level
Article by Karen Williams
Sunday 20th May 2007, 17:47
Functionpix is the world's fastest growing independent freelance news and pictures organisation and the only organisation of it's kind to donate profits to charity with the sale of every item
Police hunting the whereabouts of missing 4 year old Madeleine McCann have started using a wider range of resources including a ‘TRV’ – Technical Remote Viewers, a psychic investigator.


As well as engaging the services of some of the worlds best known police ESP advisors, several ‘Cracker’ style police psychologists and investigators have also joined the hunt.




Madeleine McCann vanished from her ground floor apartment almost three weeks ago as her parents left her unattended while they dined at a nearby restaurant. The search for the missing girl has been extensive throughout the time that she has been missing and police are no clearer to knowing where she may have been taken to until now.




The use of psychic investigators have been used many times before. Some in famous cases such as the Yorkshire ripper, the disappearance of teenager Milly Dowler and another missing girl in the US by the name of Leah Freeman.




Police say that often these resources can be used as a last resort but also because information from TRV’s can sometimes bring in leads that can help to solve some of the most serious of cases.

......



Keep an Open Mind = Who Knows?
Posted by Michael Sylvester on Sunday 20.05.2007, 09:51 PM
I have had only a handful of psychic experiences in the past - usually around the day of a major traumatic event. On the morning of 7/7 I awoke to tell my wife that another 9/11 was about to take place. My initial reponse to her query was that it might be Leeds (it was in fact London but the bombers actually came from Leeds. The second came shortly afterwards when I 'heard' the shots of a police marksman ring out and I said they police were going to shortly shoot a suspected terrorist (later in the day Jean Charles de Menezes was mistaken for a terrorist and shot by London police). My experiences tend to occur in the early hours of the morning. For the last few weeks I had a steady stream of similar experiences. On Friday May 4th I awoke in the middle of the night to hear the crying and sobbing of a child. I checked our children but none were crying (we live in a detached house in the remote highlands of scotland). I tried going back to sleep with my arm over my ear to cut out the sound but it would not subside. I woke in the morning to tell my wife I could see the left hand corner of a green tennis court with a pink/orange gravel surround. The following Monday 7th May - the McCann family released unseen pictures of Madeleine on the tennis court shortly before her abduction. With the exception of the child, the photo was identical to that which I had 'seen'. In the early hours of another morning I 'saw' what seemed to be a car-park (perhaps near a petrol station near a hyper-market). I was being told to crouch under the front-end of the car and pull my feet in. I was told we were going to give someone a surprise on their birthday. I didn't like the person I was with - but I didn't feel in immediate danger. Another moring I 'heard' the words 'christendom' and 'farm' when I asked for information about Madeleine (the only time I have ever tried to ask for information). My last experince came earlier this week when I 'saw' a disused railway and trains - that eventually led to an exceptionally damp basement/cellar/underground area. In the corner I saw a figure covered in what looked like a heavy green gardening refuse sack that seemed to be acting as a rain-mack, It had large, thickset studs down the centre. A torch was being flashed at the figure - and fearful I brought myself out of it and woke my wife. I have really no idea where any of the experiences came from and am completely open-minded as to whether they are 'remote' viewing experiences. I only know that all of them were very unsettling and unsavoury

Mrs
Posted by on Sunday 20.05.2007, 09:38 PM
Fatasic news\
I called crimestoppers the day that the number was given out to suggest this and I also mentioned it on the website that was\set up that asked for any suggestions as to how to help bring new ideas into the search
I also suggested lie detectors

Do you know - I am absolutely heartbroken regarding this little angel
I have creid tears as if she were my own child
But how selfish is that - I have no right to feel like that - All that i should be feeling and thinking about is what poor little madeleine is going through and where is she
I feel so strongly that she is still alive and have done from the very start
I only hope that the people or person that has took her is lying low because of all the worldwide attention that this is getting so Madedline still hasn't been passed on to anyone else meaning that no harm has come to her when she is found - If indeeed this is what they have taken Madeleine for .
I think it is fantastic that it has caused so much worldwide care and concearn .
I hope that when madedelien is found , and she will be found because we are all praying for this and I genuinely beleive that God is listening to us ,That the fund that madeleines parents have started can be used to find all children and create as much attention to every case
This way , people who take children will think twice about it because it will make things very dfficult for them if europe and the rset of the world are bound together in fighting this .

Please , lets all keep positive - I,m sure that she will turn up safe and well .

Heartbroken mother of four year old twins
GOD BLESS YOU SWEETHEART WHERE EVER YOU ARE AND GOD KEEP YOU SAFE AND BRAVE PURE LITTLE INNOCENT MADELEINE XXXXXXXXX CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DAY WHEN THE NEWS IS FILLED OF PICTURES OF YOU IN THE ARMS OF YOUR MUMMY AND DADDY CUDDLING AND HOLDING YOU TIGHT SMOTHERING YOU WITH LOVE .XXXXX

[Darat]

Maybe they're just doing what Claus asked them to do.

No evidence that they are.

[The Atheist]

I also have opinions about people who leave three kids in a locked room while they go out to dinner. Not a fashionable view, but there it is.

What? You think it's a good idea to leave kids alone?

The fashionable view around these parts is that the parents should be hung, drawn and quartered for leaving their kids alone. Dunno about the law in Portugal, but they would certainly be arrested for doing it here.

[malbui]

What? You think it's a good idea to leave kids alone?

The fashionable view around these parts is that the parents should be hung, drawn and quartered for leaving their kids alone. Dunno about the law in Portugal, but they would certainly be arrested for doing it here.


From what I've seen of Soapy's posts on here, I'd be very surprised if he did think it was a good idea to leave kids alone like that. I'd imagine his view would be unfashionable because of the mess the punishments would cause.

[wahrheit]

From what I've seen of Soapy's posts on here, I'd be very surprised if he did think it was a good idea to leave kids alone like that. I'd imagine his view would be unfashionable because of the mess the punishments would cause.

Yep, exactly.

[Lothian]

The gist of it is that the two psychics have engaged a PR agency to issue a press release........ Like, WHY? How sick are these people.
No matter how low you set the bar PA agencies will stoop under it.

[Locknar]

Well...with these two knuckleheads (Amanda Hart from St Albans and Ben Murphy) on the "case", I'm just shocked it has not been solved yet.

Now if they could somehow get Sylvia Browne in the fold they could have the trifectia!

Folks like Browne and these two idiots do nothing more then prey on victims…they are simply beneath contempt; of course, like I’m saying anything that is news to anyone here.

[Beleth]

No evidence that they are.
Hence the "maybe".

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

The blog here...

http://pewari.may.be/2007/05/10/madeleine-mccann/

has been inundated by comments from a number of people who have had dreams and visions, including 'sending reiki'.


susan
May 18th, 2007 17:13 59I joined in with the reiki circle yesterday. (thursday) For over 5 hours I sent reiki to Madeline hoping and praying that she would be found safe and well today.(Friday 18th May)
Sadly, no news.

On sending Madeline Reiki - I tried to ask her where she was or what she could see.
She gave me the impression that she was on a boat. I could feel the sea ‘bobbing’ under my hands. She was looking up at me and appeared to be in a box like structure (NOT a coffin) there is nothing in it with her and she was crying and saying, “I want to go home” over and over. As heartbreaking as this sounds, it gave me peace of mind that she is still alive.

I tried to move away from this vision I had but it remained firm and fixed to the point where I felt sea-sick.

If anyone in Portugal (I live in Asia) has a mind to search anywhere and has access to a boat - please search. I feel the plans which were first put in to place to kidnap Madeline have gone wrong. The child’s eyes will create fear in the kidnapper as it is something he can never change.

I hope the family gets peace in their lives soon, God knows there are enough of us out there willing whoever took Madeline to return her to a safe place.

Blessings to all.
Susan



I was impressed, however that the blogger closed the comments once it got out of hand and basically told everyone to wise up and to not even think about wasting the time of the police. Scroll right down to the bottom to see the final comments. Nice to see some sanity out there in blogland.

Pewari
May 20th, 2007 20:53 91Zip has pretty much summed up my feelings on this (ooo - maybe she’s psychic ;) ). I’ve been pretty patient despite the comments long since drifted from my original post.

I think that people are losing sight of the fact that:

a) this is a blog. Comments are for responding to the post, not as a substitute message board. There are plenty of message boards out there for people if they choose to use them.

b) I am not a message service. You want to organise getting in contact with people? Then sort that out between you.

I do not believe this speculation is helping Madeleine. On the contrary, I feel this continual encouragement to contact authorities for spurious reasons is highly damaging and wasting police resources. This isn’t a game. This is a child’s life.

I strongly believe that I cannot let my own part of cyberspace be responsible for that interference any longer, although I realise I can’t prevent anything off board. I do not want to be responsible for that and I am already highly upset that I could be the source for additional stress for the McCann family.

Comments closed.

[Hourglassmemory]

You know, it's awkward, this is my first post in this part of the whole JREF forum. I'm usually in the conspiracy theories part of the site.
But anyway, it's the first time I see people talking about my country in this forum.
Yup, I'm from Portugal, yes I talk portuguese everyday and yes I find it curious english people saying "Praia da Luz" with their accent.
I fyou find errors in my messages, it's because I type too quickly, and I'm not typing in my mother language, and I'm only 17 which means my vocabulary isn't that great.
Strangely enough our reporters and news channels haven't talked about psychics coming here. We really don't pay attention to people like those.
The news channels here only talk about these people if they're widely publicized in America or do something quite odd, but if they don't....the news channels spend more time on bombs in Afghanistan and stuff happening in our country.
Psychics and Ufo's and the paranormal don't appear on tv much. They do appear on channels like Discovery Channel and stuff but they don't show up a lot in national productions at all.

By the way, we're not Spain, and it annoys us a lot that people make that mistake. Just kidding. Yes the country is small...
This is probably the first time you people see Portugal in the news, other than in sports.

By the way, I'm very skeptical about these kinds of things, like Paranormal claims and religion and Ufo's and conspiracies. I have many questions in where I still have my doubts. I will very soon be making a thread about videos that find and that make me think and shake my beliefs.
I hope I get many replies from you people because here stands a quite confused teenager.

I know this isn't a right place to introduce myself at all, but the typing just went and went and now you have this huge message.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

[QUOTE=Hourglassmemory;2623204]You know, it's awkward, this is my first post in this part of the whole JREF forum. I'm usually in the conspiracy theories part of the site.
.........
QUOTE]

Hi there. The media isn't focusing on psychics because they aren't really a big part of the story to be honest. Pretend fortune tellers are of interest to many of us here on JREF purely because we don't like them :-). My concerns with this case are twofold - I'm disturbed to see any self-publicising, and also I don't want to see police time wasted by nonsense.

[Hourglassmemory]

[QUOTE=Hourglassmemory;2623204]You know, it's awkward, this is my first post in this part of the whole JREF forum. I'm usually in the conspiracy theories part of the site.
.........
QUOTE]

Hi there. The media isn't focusing on psychics because they aren't really a big part of the story to be honest. Pretend fortune tellers are of interest to many of us here on JREF purely because we don't like them :-). My concerns with this case are twofold - I'm disturbed to see any self-publicising, and also I don't want to see police time wasted by nonsense.

Don't worry, the portuguese police is quite straight faced about this kind of stuff. It prefers to spend more of its time investigating the case than to communicate their findings to the public.
It really isn't a common practice for our police to give a sort of "weekly updates on their cases.
They usually go all the way and then they give the final veridict.
It's just how we work really.

The psychics? I believe most of the country would tilt towards skepticism if it were showed both sides of the story. The psychics side, and the skeptical side. Teh new generation, the one oI'm part of, is really critical of things like the paranormal and fortunatly the people I know are always claiming tarot cards and astrology as Bs. The only people who are like, really believers and religious people are old people.
I recently went to a church and it was quite full. I could only spot two teenagers, who were probably dragged there by their religious family members.

[Comsat Angel]

Dear Hourglass - not everybody here is from the US.
Some of us are from the UK, and yes, we remember the Peninsular War. Torres Vedras, Corruna, Talavera, Salamanca.
Truly, the Portugese are not Spanish, any more than folks from Dublin are from Ulster.

[Locknar]

Dear Hourglass - not everybody here is from the US.
Some of us are from the UK, and yes, we remember the Peninsular War. Torres Vedras, Corruna, Talavera, Salamanca.
Truly, the Portugese are not Spanish, any more than folks from Dublin are from Ulster.

Hummm....if Portugese <> Spanish, and Dublin <> Ulster, then Portugese = Ulster :)

Joking aside, have the knucklehead psychics cracked this case yet...or are they not feeling strong?

[John Jackson]

have the knucklehead psychics cracked this case yet...or are they not feeling strong?


I think they're still in the 'picking up energies' phase. i.e. waiting for something positive to happen that they can claim to have been a part of. :rolleyes:

I suspect that the longer the case goes on, and if no results come in, the psychics will feature a little more in the media's coverage. So far, they don't seem to have received much positive media attention.

Actually, I must say that although there has been some calling for psychics to be 'called in' by people on various UK forums (that I've been monitoring at least) it seems to be quite a minority view. I find that quite refreshing from a skeptic's point of view.

[solas]

Truly, the Portugese are not Spanish, any more than folks from Dublin are from Ulster.
I think I know what you mean but Ulster is a province of Ireland and Dublin is a county in Ireland. Think you could find a better analogy?

Ulster not being the same as N.I, of which only six counties form part of the UK, the remaining three being governed by the republic, and taking into consideration that N.I. isn't an independant country or state as is portugal but a part of the united kingdom, wouldn't it be easier to just say that the Portuguese are no more Spanish than the French are German?

[Azrael 5]

The parents went to pray for a miracle(according to media on the last bit)at some holy shrine yesterday.
I don't know how long miracles tend to take but she is still missing today.

[Lothian]

The parents went to pray for a miracle(according to media on the last bit)at some holy shrine yesterday.
I don't know how long miracles tend to take but she is still missing today.I wish they would make their minds up. They are asking the public to help, at the same time they have an omnipotent deity on the case.

I feel used, what can I do that he can’t ?

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

The parents went to pray for a miracle(according to media on the last bit)at some holy shrine yesterday.
I don't know how long miracles tend to take but she is still missing today.

I saw at least one Portugese woman holding her child up on the news last night so that Mrs McCann could kiss the child on the forehead.

Mr McCann has been quoted that his religious faith has been strengthened by the whole episode. God works in really mysterious ways if it takes the abduction of one of your kids to do that.

[chillzero]

I think I know what you mean but Ulster is a province of Ireland and Dublin is a county in Ireland. Think you could find a better analogy?

Ulster not being the same as N.I, of which only six counties form part of the UK, the remaining three being governed by the republic, and taking into consideration that N.I. isn't an independant country or state as is portugal but a part of the united kingdom, wouldn't it be easier to just say that the Portuguese are no more Spanish than the French are German?

Dublin is the capital city of southern Ireland, and is in no way attached to, belonging to or located within either Ulster or N.I.. It is somewhat nearby Ulster, that's all. As a No'rn Ir'ner myself, that analogy makes perfect sense.

[Hourglassmemory]

I saw at least one Portugese woman holding her child up on the news last night so that Mrs McCann could kiss the child on the forehead.

Mr McCann has been quoted that his religious faith has been strengthened by the whole episode. God works in really mysterious ways if it takes the abduction of one of your kids to do that.

Yes, God seems to get worshipped more when he makes people suffer, therefore he has to be evil to feel...good?
Is God disturbed?

[solas]

Dublin is the capital city of southern Ireland, and is in no way attached to, belonging to or located within either Ulster or N.I.. It is somewhat nearby Ulster, that's all. As a No'rn Ir'ner myself, that analogy makes perfect sense.

as a southerner it makes no sense to me, they're both irish no?
(and as a matter of reference Dublin is attached to Ulster as it is the seat of gov. for part of it.) Hardly a defining analogy considering Spain and portugal are seperate entities and the analogy is being used in reference to national status.

[Azrael 5]

I see the miracle on the mount never came to pass so it's back to giving TV interviews for the parents today.

[Azrael 5]

From UK tabloid Daily Star Sunday.There is a site but article isn't up,so Im transcribing.It's related to this thread but a different psychic.Now Diane Lazarus is getting involved!
Top Psychic joins search.
Diane Lazarus says she will fly out to Portugal on Wednesday at the request of a family friend.
She will visit the holiday apartment on the Warner development at Prai De LUz where MAdeline was staying when she vanished.
Mum of two Diane-who has helped police in high profile investigations including the Jill Dando and Sarah Payne murder cases-thinks her skills can detect vital clues to who abducted the child and where she could be now.
The psychic believes:
Maddy IS still alive
She ISN'T in Portugal
She has now been disguised as a boy
Diane told the Diay star exclusively she hopes to link up Maddy's devastated parents once she gets there.
At her home in Cross Hands South Wales she has been bombarded with emails from well wishers,begging hjer to find Maddy;and she says she is already tuning in to clues.
She confided "I don't think Maddy is in Portugal and they have kept her moving around.
"But i hope going there will give me the leads to where she went from there.
I have also picked up that the have cut Madeline's hair and made her look like a boy.There are a couple of people involved"
Robert Murat who lives close by is under suspicion of abducting Maddy.
But Diane insists:"I have thought he was innocent form day one."
She went on"madeline has touched my heart.She has been in my thoughts just as she is in everyone else's.Now I just need to get out there and so something to help.
"I need to start at the beginning and be where it all happened.I will also look at a map of the area and take a photo of Madeline."
"I am going for four days and should achieve a lot in that time.I will have to ruffle feathers with the Portugese Police because I don't know how they feel about psychics."
Diane ,42,regularly teams up with her criminal lawyer husband to try and crack crimes here and in Ireland.She talks about her skills in her autobiography Mixed Blessings.

Copyright Ruth Hughes Daily Star.

Bolding is mine for obvious reasons.Ruffling feathers of the police is really going to help! Hope they arrest her.
I will try contact the journalist and spread some skepticism.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Diane ,42,regularly teams up with her criminal lawyer husband to try and crack crimes here and in Ireland.She talks about her skills in her autobiography Mixed Blessings.

Yeah, I wish she would show us the list of cases they have solved so far.

[Azrael 5]

Coming out of the woodwork thick and fast now;

http://www.everetthealthcare.com/maddy-mccann.htm

[chillzero]

I wondered how long it would take for my favourite psychic :wackyarghh: to stick her oar in.
:mad:

[JQH]

More...

Some of these people probably think they are helping I guess.

http://tinyurl.com/ytrbss

Effin nested quote thingy hasn't worked.

Anyway, re the psychic who claims to have "heard" the shots that killed de Mendez on 7 July 05, pity he didn't register for the $1,000,000 as de Mendez wasn't killed until 22 July.

Or was his "prediction" written after the event as usual?:D

[Becky78]

Does anyone recall the disappearance of Ben Needham? It was kind of similar to Maddy McCann - he was 3 when he went missing in Greece in 1991 and has never been found. Many mediums have claimed to be close to finding him over the years BUT he has never been found. Why can't these people stay out of the way and let the police do their stuff.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Confirmation of Lazarus involvement:


A TOP psychic will travel to Portugal today to join the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

Diane Lazarus, 40, has already helped cops with high-profile cases including the murders of Jill Dando and little Sarah Payne.

In an exclusive interview mum-of-two Diane from Crosshands, South Wales, told The Sun online:

- Maddie was targeted after being secretly watched by her abductors, including one woman

- She is in Spain after travelling by car on main roads from Portugal and is being well looked after

- One of the culprits has olive skin, dark hair and a drawn, skinny face

Diane said: “I don’t think Madeleine is in Portugal and they have kept moving her around.

.....



http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007240619,00.html

If she is that confident of finding the girl, why couldn't she have gone out there quietly without announcing it in a national newspaper.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Does anyone recall the disappearance of Ben Needham? It was kind of similar to Maddy McCann - he was 3 when he went missing in Greece in 1991 and has never been found. Many mediums have claimed to be close to finding him over the years BUT he has never been found. Why can't these people stay out of the way and let the police do their stuff.


You might want to have a read of this article which appeared in the Times a couple of weeks ago. Parallels have certainly been drawn. Interesting to see such a (potentially unpalatable) skeptic viewpoint in the media.


Down there in the aching panic of Portugal, there are many things they do not need. Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is not helped by psychics, prurience, false sightings or – at least as distracting from useful effort – by the intrusion of urban myth. And yet, over the past ten days, we have watched it flourish with unedifying ease.

The first mention I heard was on the Today programme, when Kerry Grist was invited to resurrect memories of the disappearance of her 21-month-old son, Ben Needham, 16 years ago on Kos. Still her main suspect, she said, is the huge, organised trade – involving everyone from social workers to (of course) gypsies – wherein children are stolen then sold to the childless. Astonishingly, Today offered no challenge whatsoever to this assertion; not so much as a gentle question.

Within days, this “organised trade” took its place in the wild line-up of theories relevant to Madeleine. Phone-in hosts let it into discourse, again unchallenged, as did tabloid speculation; by the weekend, even The Sunday Times, also revisiting the Needham case, bought it. It stated as fact, that, with special preference for blue-eyed blondes, “Racketeers are known to have abducted toddlers in Greece to sell to wealthy childless couples”. Really? So show me the case studies. OK, just a couple, then. Even just the one . . . anybody?

I have repeatedly asked police and press, British and Greek, for a single example to support this rumour. There is none. When pretty little Western European kiddies go missing, as with Madeleine, we know about it; if we don’t know, it isn’t happening.

It is understandable that Kerry Grist clings to her urban myth, even without a shred of evidence that her son was abducted at all. Those of us who properly investigated Ben’s disappearance are certain he was not; put bluntly, a child less than 2, toddling unsupervised for five hours on a baking, remote, inhospitable hillside that is still largely unsearched, is easy prey to the lonely accident. Nevertheless, to believe in abduction is to allow for the chance he is alive, and who would deny that to Mrs Grist?

For any among the rest of us to accept the myth, without such excuse, is another matter. It points to nothing loftier than xenophobic triumphalism: we have paedophiles, as do “they”; we have desperate, barren madwomen, as do “they” – but at least we don’t have organised bands of evil, swarthy foreigners grabbing our babies to flog in their vile markets. So there.

Our willingness to go along with the nonsense is a distasteful but salient reminder that, European Union notwithstanding, our nation states still don’t much like each other – and it takes just one tragedy, for just one family, to show how damned flimsy is any pretence otherwise.




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article1795921.ece

[Becky78]

Love the way the sun article about Diane Lazarus has a huge picture of her autobiography. Hey I am going to do this wonderful thing and try and find this missing girl and while you're at it why don't you buy my book. :confused:

[Azrael 5]

Love the way the sun article about Diane Lazarus has a huge picture of her autobiography. Hey I am going to do this wonderful thing and try and find this missing girl and while you're at it why don't you buy my book. :confused:

True.It seems the majority of messages under that Sun article are skeptical.Ive added mine with the obligatory Randi link.She's a media whore is Lazarus.:mad:

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Someone thinks they should ask Sylvia Browne:

Psychic joins Maddie hunt
Anything is better than nothing in a situation like this and I strongly believe in psychic phenomena. Sylvia Browne used to work alongside US detectives in criminal investigations. Why couldn't Browne help the police with this case? I hope the psychic that is going to be used is professional and not a mystic like Miss Cleo though...

[Big Les]

It's not just the TV-savvy psychics "contributing" to the investigation - people are sending crud in (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=51251&in_page_id=34)too.

[Rolfe]

Bump. To try to get discussion on a single thread.

(Some hope.)

Rolfe.

[Big Les]

What is it with grief-junkie BS like this? It even turns sceptics doo-lally and has them doing the multi-thread shuffle. ;)

[Rolfe]

Well, the latest one quickly turned into a row about Stalin. Can't be all bad.

Rolfe.

[JimTheBrit]

GMTV's leading piece this morning is 'Missing Madeleine police enlist help of psychics' and explains how the authorities are pouring through hundreds of tip-offs from clairvoyants. I nearly choked on my coffee but it did point out that the possibility that one of the messages may have been left by the kidnapper.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

GMTV's leading piece this morning is 'Missing Madeleine police enlist help of psychics' and explains how the authorities are pouring through hundreds of tip-offs from clairvoyants. I nearly choked on my coffee but it did point out that the possibility that one of the messages may have been left by the kidnapper.

Indeed, unfortunately these idiots sending in their fantasies just don't realise how much time they are wasting. If one of the messages is from the abductor, it could be weeks by the time that is detected among the deluge of mis-information.

With the amount of tip-offs being sent in, I think the odds of psychics claiming a hit are going to be quite high when/if she is ever found. The list of possible locations seems to have covered most bases - dark cellars, forest clearings, hot climates, sealed rooms etc. I haven't seen many or indeed any claim that she is dead however, that would just seem to be a step too far for our shower of morons, or maybe they have just been learning from the mistakes Sylvia has made recently.

[Big Les]

GMTV's leading piece this morning is 'Missing Madeleine police enlist help of psychics' and explains how the authorities are pouring through hundreds of tip-offs from clairvoyants. I nearly choked on my coffee but it did point out that the possibility that one of the messages may have been left by the kidnapper.

See my post #73 above - they're reporting the same thing trying to imply either;

1) There might be something in it
2) Aw, look how grief stricken everyone is. Isn't it lovely? In a, you know, ghoulish kind of way...
3) Ha ha! All these nutters are writing in! Let's mock!

[Azrael 5]

No word on Diane Lazarus solving this yet?
What about the other two that went out there?

Aw shucks never mind back to "Im getting a J name"

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Oh my god, I feel distinctly unwell now. I've just read the page on Brians Prediction.com listing his dreams about Madeleine.

Here is a link to a story in the Belfast Telegraph from a relative of the family who is disturbed at the psychic influence:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/article2607184.ece

And here is the BS in full:

http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5441.htm

This has to be read to be believed.

I think I will email to ask how come he has had so many dreams and 'RVs' and yet she is still missing.

[Big Les]

I can't make head or tail of that gibberish. Anyone else? The McCann relative said it best:

"Those drawings have been checked out,"..."It's nonsense, there's nothing in it. We must have had hundreds of things like that sent to us. We have been contacted by thousands of mediums from all over the world who claim to know something. There's nothing in it."

[Kelly]

And here is the BS in full:

http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5441.htm

This has to be read to be believed.

I think I will email to ask how come he has had so many dreams and 'RVs' and yet she is still missing.

I really wish someone had the time to save some of the stuff he posts and compare it to what ends up happening and also check it to see if it's been altered.

Our families of the missing and other concerned persons are flocking to his site by the hundreds. Who knows how many have given him money. His claims of success are outrageous. I wish I had time to do it, but I don't.

[Big Les]

I really wish someone had the time to save some of the stuff he posts and compare it to what ends up happening and also check it to see if it's been altered.

Our families of the missing and other concerned persons are flocking to his site by the hundreds. Who knows how many have given him money. His claims of success are outrageous. I wish I had time to do it, but I don't.

Consider it done.

Check out this email (http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5441.h17.jpg)he posts up, apparently as a licence to spew nonsense. Have any other UK posters heard of this woman? I certainly haven't (here's (http://www.juliekirvan.com/) her site). On what authority does she "beg" for this loser's "help"?

[Kelly]

Consider it done.

Check out this email (http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5441.h17.jpg)he posts up, apparently as a licence to spew nonsense. Have any other UK posters heard of this woman? I certainly haven't (here's (http://www.juliekirvan.com/) her site). On what authority does she "beg" for this loser's "help"?

Thanks, Big Les. That's good news.

With so many people in the circle of the missing going to him, he needs some factual opposition before it gets even more out of hand.

Someone asked him to do a reading on my son. I was most displeased about it, and was going to ask him to take it down, but then I decided to leave it up so that someday we could prove him so wrong on that.

I would have found his reading quite hilarious if it didn't hit so close to the heart. His portrait of the "bad guy" is so stereo-typical in appearance. His thought process that we should look for everything hotel in the L.A. area with a star on it at Christmastime is just downright ridiculous. His guess that my son fell into drug use with meth is just him tapping into the story of the hour with meth use in the media so often. My son had no history of drug use, and I am quite sure never even got drunk. Me thinks Brian watches too much TV.

He needs to be stopped.

Thank you.

[John Jackson]

http://www.ukskeptics.com/prediction.htm

I've done this in the hope it gets some exposure. It reveals how Brian does his 'predictions'.

There are other ways to do it which are more sophisticated but I don't think Brian uses then (yet).

John

[Big Les]

Good work John, as ever. The chances of Brian being one of the self-deluding well-meaning types are drastically reduced for me, having read that. The guy is an outright con artist.

And no problem Kelly - I just used WinHTTrack, a programme to capture whole webpages in just a couple of clicks. Useful!

[Kelly]

I love that link, John! I am going to save that and use it when I see someone posting that rubish. (which is often, sadly)

I also was not aware he had these "memberships" set up. I knew he asked for donations to help pay for the site, but not this. :mad:

Thank you both.

This man has really been bothering me for quite some time. He seems like a runaway mine train on his one way fraudulent track.

[John Jackson]

We're getting a lot of calls for Brian to be 'called in' on forums here in the UK so I'm hoping that the page I made will act as a more visual way of showing up that what he does is based on trickery.

A quick link to it will (hopefully) do the trick.

I know what you mean Kelly - it's so frustrating to see something like Brian's Predictions getting so much attention (free advertising) by his latching on to a family's tragedy.

So many people are falling for it. :mad:

[Kelly]

Let me know if there are other links showing the error of Brian's ways.

You can also always email me via the Contacts page on our main website.

Thank you both so much!

[TX50]

I also was not aware he had these "memberships" set up. I knew he asked for donations to help pay for the site, but not this. :mad:


Not only that. He charges swingeing rates for his "services";
nearly 2,000 US dollars for an "Emergency Reading"! :mad:


http://store.kagi.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?storeID=6FCWW_LIVE&lang=en&page=&currency=USD

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Good work John, as ever. The chances of Brian being one of the self-deluding well-meaning types are drastically reduced for me, having read that. The guy is an outright con artist.


I came to same conclusion when I read the 'Sylvia' type behaviour on his website about how he doesn't charge, then provides links to his membership options. Plus the amount of time he must spend on his site means he isn't doing it out of the goodness of his heart.

My sympathy for people who believe this crud decreases by the day.

[Kelly]

Not only that. He charges swingeing rates for his "services";
nearly 2,000 US dollars for an "Emergency Reading"! :mad:


http://store.kagi.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?storeID=6FCWW_LIVE&lang=en&page=&currency=USD

I am sickened. Thanks for another good link, though.

Yes, dear sweet Brian is doing this out of the kindness of his heart. :boggled:

[John Jackson]

I really wish someone had the time to save some of the stuff he posts and compare it to what ends up happening and also check it to see if it's been altered.


I'm doing that. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/496245dc98391229d.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4284)

I've been saving his daily updates and keeping track of when he's re-uploaded his images. The first of his original 'predictions' which was supposedly the night after the 'dream' was last uploaded on 24th May for example. Unfortunately, I didn't see the page when it was originally created (as it only came to light after the event) but I did check the images on his page early on and none of the prediction images dated to before 5th May 2007 - Madeleine went missing on 3rd May 2007.

I'm also keeping track of psychics in the UK where I can.

Of course, going through all this accurately will depend on the case being solved - and I hope it is whatever the outcome.

[Kelly]

These questions are for Loss Leader or anyone with the expertise to answer them.

BL lives in WV, USA. Is there anything illegal about his request for donations? He's not a NPO, obviously.

Can he be reported to the IRS for them to keep an eye on him and make sure he is reporting these donations as income, or will they ignore a request like that?

Thank you.

[John Jackson]

Not only that. He charges swingeing rates for his "services";
nearly 2,000 US dollars for an "Emergency Reading"! :mad:


http://store.kagi.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?storeID=6FCWW_LIVE&lang=en&page=&currency=USD


Excellent. I hadn't seen that page before.

I guess a $1,900 emergency reading would be the sort of thing someone whose child had gone missing would be interested in.

Bloody vulture.:mad:

[Kelly]

I'm doing that. http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/496245dc98391229d.gif (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=4284)

I've been saving his daily updates and keeping track of when he's re-uploaded his images. The first of his original 'predictions' which was supposedly the night after the 'dream' was last uploaded on 24th May for example. Unfortunately, I didn't see the page when it was originally created (as it only came to light after the event) but I did check the images on his page early on and none of the prediction images dated to before 5th May 2007 - Madeleine went missing on 3rd May 2007.

I'm also keeping track of psychics in the UK where I can.

Of course, going through all this accurately will depend on the case being solved - and I hope it is whatever the outcome.

Thanks, John.

John or Big Les: Have any of his other case predictions been saved to check for alterations after the fact or just Madeleine's?

It would be nice to grab a few newer cases to see what happens. Sadly, as you know, some cases go unsolved for years and some are never solved.

[John Jackson]

I haven't followed him before as he's not really known in the UK.

I did look at following his daily dream predictions but it seems that you have to be a paying member to view them.

[Big Les]

Nothing missing persons related just yet, but here are some examples from the archives of his creative antics outside the clever trick exposed by John (likely kept in reserve for really good publicity). Have a look at this claim (http://web.archive.org/web/20070603001935/http://briansprediction.com/dd/6102005.htm) to have predicted the recent dog food poisoning scare. Then have a look at any of the pages from around that date (http://web.archive.org/web/20050616020420/http://www.briansprediction.com/)(June 06). The dog food prediction does not appear anywhere. If he made it, therefore, he did not post it, and we have to take his word that he did indeed predict it.

Something a little more important perhaps? The 7/7/ London bombings. Here's his claim to have predicted it both on March 23rd 2005, and May 22nd of that year:
http://briansprediction.com/uksubway.htm

And here are the pages covering March (http://web.archive.org/web/20060323065326/www.briansprediction.com/March+2005+Predictions.htm) and May 2005 (http://web.archive.org/web/20050616023119/www.briansprediction.com/may2005.htm) respectively: Precisely naff all about London bombings on either of those, but note that he doesn't actually claim that these images were ever posted up on his site - just that he made the prediction. We have only his word for that - so far 100% retrospective prediction. Now notice that there's a spookily accurate "prediction" that he DID post up, but on July 20th 2005 - 13 days AFTER the bombings. Wow, that's spooky alright!

Like a good cold reader, he also throws out some left-field predictions that, if they were to coincide, would look amazing, but if they fail, will be forgotten or explained away. Like this prediction (http://briansprediction.com/June%202005.htm) of the death of John Travolta from June 4 2005.

Again, like cold reading, he uses a mixture of techniques. His regular posting is a useful scattergun approach allowing him to make some of his pre-posted drawings fit. But he also posts up a new drawings after the fact that are masquerading as originals, and uses the image switcheroo trick John's explained, and no doubt other methods I haven't yet picked up on.

If anyone else fancies doing more match-up detective work on some of his pre-membership-locked day-by-day predictions, go for it (http://web.archive.org/web/*/briansprediction.com).

[Kelly]

I haven't followed him before as he's not really known in the UK.

But, John, according to his website, he has "been referred to "the most accurate psychic on earth"..." :(

Somehow I feel quite certain that if there were a category on the gameshow Jeopardy called World Famous Psychics, he would not be included.

[Kelly]

That is excellent, excellent work, Big Les. Thank you!

[Azrael 5]

Diane Lazarus's fat face is grinning from the pages of Daily Star Sundayagain this week.I haven't bought it so can't transcribe this week.But it's usual vague rubbish and an artists impression of,wait for it........an olive skinned man!!

[Big Les]

No problem at all Kelly - it required no special talent or knowledge on my part.

Which is something I have in common with Brian here. He apparently thinks (http://www.briansprediction.com/alerts/MAY2007FULLMONTH.html) alzheimer's disease is a "mild form of mad-cow disease"!

I was using an archive with no link to Brian whatever, but he also has his own stuff archived by a mailing list archive site; in theory that should be just as safe from his after-the-fact tinkering. And guess what? That doesn't back up his claims either. Take this missing girl's (http://www.briansprediction.com/MISSING/publicr/392.htm) case (found alive). He has an image of his "prediction", including a car with a licence plate 1522. There is also a fairly accurate (though not dead on) sketch and description of the abductor.

A quick check of his archive for 27 April (http://www.ymlp.com/pubarchive_show_message.php?brian2179+842) (i.e. 26 April's dreams) shows that no such prediction was sent out to his mailing list.

Can anyone find a "confirmed" prediction that actually appears in any of the third-party archives? I doubt it.

[Loss Leader]

BL lives in WV, USA. Is there anything illegal about his request for donations? He's not a NPO, obviously.


There's nothing illegal about his request for "donations" per se, but he's got to follow some rules or it will become illegal.

First, it's obviously income. Gifts aren't taxable but he's not getting gifts. He's clearly offering a service for money (I think Browne called them "donations" as well). That makes it ordinary income which he must report quarterly and pay taxes on.

He says that a portion goes to some Global Children's Fund or something. If it's a real charity and if he itemizes his deductions, he can deduct anything he gives. If it's not a real charity and he deducts, he can get in trouble.

And then there's the great American fiction writing contest that's called the Schedule C. Writing up one's business expenses is an art of deception and obfuscation. If he isnt honest on his Schedule C, that's a problem.

Now, can a regular person call the IRS and report that there's a guy who may be underreporting income? Um, I guess. I guess that the IRS will be shocked to learn that a taxpayer getting income from multiple streams may be hiding some income. Frankly, they already know people in business for themselves are lying on their tax forms.

They'll take your tip but unless you have specific information, which you don't, they'll ignore you.

And if you have no information and he is scrupulous about his taxes but the IRS still audits him, he could come after you for defamation and/or abuse of process. And he'd win.


As to whether psychic businesses are illegal as fraudulent (when not "for entertainment only"), this varies from state-to-state. Unless it's the "give me $10,000 to remove this death spell that someone put on you" or "give me all your money in cash so I can bless it" variety, the states probably aren't going to care.

[Kelly]

Thanks for the answer, Loss Leader. I figured it would go something like that. Someone is going to have to have proof of something clearly fraudulent and/or perhaps the state of WV must have an anti-psychic law.

Of course, we view it as clearly fraudulent, but unfortunately law and logic is not always behind us.

[John Jackson]

From Brian's Predictions today:

brian could u do another rv on madeleine as things seem to b dryin up on the news i know ur v busy with other poor wee kids missing but just see if u get anything at all blessings jen

reply

Hello, I'm sorry as per request of the family, I will no longer be working on this case.

Brian



So he's no longer working on the case. He says it's at the request of the family.

Whatever the reason, I hope my revealing his trickery resulted in a lot of negative feedback for him and even helped in him stopping.

Judging by the reaction on many forums, a lot of people gave up believing in Brian after seeing my 'lottery prediction'. :D

It even had an effect on the Daily Mail forum!! :eek:

So, not a definitive result, but it may have helped.

[Big Les]

Bloody well done John - your page would have swayed all but the died-in-the-wool woos, and with people actively searching the web for all relevant info, no doubt it turned up quite regularly and got passed on via email.

Now, will we be able to nail him on the predictions he did make, I wonder.

[Azrael 5]

No word from Diane Lazarus yet?
I assume her psychic powers are still just as prevelant as they were on the Channel 5 show then.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Yes, excellent result. I seen a forum at Sky News the other day and there were pages and pages of people discussing his site, not one negative remark. It did make me want to cry.

He has been milking the situation loads, but he may be astute enough to know when to back off a story. There is a fine line for these charlatans between seeking the exposure they need to increase their profile and future earning potential against exposing themselves as the fakes they are.

Ms Lazarus has been quite quiet recently, she too must be rethinking the level of exposure she is seeking. She can't have done herself any favours so far with her laughable attempts at regurgitating what is already in the public doman. But then again, she probably gets away with that most of the time because not every case is like this one, where the level of evidence is so widely publicised yet so incomplete.

[Kelly]

That is excellent news, John! Thank you.

[bonavada]

sorry if this doesn't expand on anything already written here about this woman but below is a report from my local rag HERE (http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=161389&command=displayContent&sourceNode=161372&contentPK=17485772&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch) about lazarus' "involvement" in the madeline mccann case. this fraud lives only a few miles up the road from me and i feel quite shamed to share the same nationality:-




PSYCHIC CALLED IN TO HELP FIND MADDIE


10:30 - 05 June 2007
Psychic Diane Lazarus is in Portugal trying to track down missing girl Madeleine McCann.The mother-of-two from Cross Hands hopes her expertise can help uncover the mystery surrounding the abduction of the four-year girl a month ago.

Mrs Lazarus, who also helped police with high- profile murder cases has come up with a number of theories.

She thinks Madeleine was targeted after being secretly watched by her abductors, including a woman.

And she feels the youngster is in Spain and is being well looked after.

"I don't think Madeleine is in Portugal and they have kept moving her around," she told a national newspaper. "I feel she could be in Spain."

"I have also picked up that they cut Maddie's hair and made her look like a boy."

Mrs Lazarus has visited Praia da Luz's Mark Warner holiday complex from where she was abducted.

"Quite honestly I don't think Madeleine has come to any harm," said Mrs Lazarus.

"She will be returned to her mummy and daddy.

"They went out of their way to get a girl of a certain age. They felt as the McCanns have two other children, taking Maddie wouldn't be quite so bad."

Mrs Lazarus was invited to the Algarve by a close friend of Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate McCann.



BV

[Azrael 5]

More or less same story that every other paper and psychic has come up with.
Basic assumptions.Notice she doesn't say when she would be returned to "her mummy and daddy" or in what status.

Disgusting woman.

[bonavada]

More or less same story that every other paper and psychic has come up with.
Basic assumptions.Notice she doesn't say when she would be returned to "her mummy and daddy" or in what status.
Disgusting woman.

yep and all the standard vagueness eg "I don't think" "I picked up" "Could be" etc etc yadda yadda.
and if it wasn't for the absolute horror of the case, the statement "Madeleine was targeted after being secretly watched by her abductors" could be quite laughable. i mean yeah, come on, no s**t sherlock.......

BV

[Big Les]

It'll be no consolation (clearly) but if (when?) the girl is found dead, Lazarus is going to look pretty foolish.

Evil cow.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I haven't seen a single psychic imply she might be dead. It would be interesting to see the reaction on all the brain-dead forums to any psychic who dared to add that to their predictions.

Unfortunately I don't think there is much chance of her being found alive, but basing your opinions in realism rather than fantasy doesn't seem politcally correct at the moment.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Carla Baron getting in on the act now, using a missing child to publicise your up and coming tv show - nice behaviour.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/6/prweb530621.htm

Carla Baron and the Return for "Haunting Evidence"

Carla Baron is gearing up for the premiere of her runaway hit Court TV series, "Haunting Evidence," launching it's 2nd season on June 20th with a one-hour special on the Natalee Holloway investigation in Aruba.

Los Angeles, CA (PRWEB) June 4, 2007 -- Carla Baron is gearing up for the premiere of her runaway hit Court TV series, "Haunting Evidence," launching it's 2nd season on June 20th with a one-hour special on the Natalee Holloway investigation in Aruba.

Television audiences know Carla Baron, internationally renowned psychic, from her work on Court TV's "Psychic Detectives," ABC's "Primetime," MTV's "Fear," and the British hit program, "Dead Famous," which has broadcast in the United States on the Biography Channel. Her series, "Haunting Evidence," also appears in regular syndication on the UK's LIVINGtv network, and Australia's FOXTEL.

Carla is most famous for her role as a psychic profiler, in which she assists police departments in identifying perpetrators in long standing unsolved crimes, homicides and abductions, in particular. In fact, Ms. Baron recently received what are now many hundreds of heartfelt requests worldwide - begging for her assistance in the kidnapping of little Madeleine McCann from her holiday apartment in Portugal on the night of May 3rd.

"I am so excited for this 2nd season of Haunting Evidence to begin," Carla remarks. "There is a surprise reveal right before the special on Natalee that is not to be missed!"

Ms. Baron states that her current contract with Court TV is up for renewal, and she is in negotiations for a possible Season 3, should one be ordered by the network in the next few months. On the horizon - Carla is also considering several other pilots for series in development, all of which possess diverse and fascinating premises within the realm of the paranormal.

One thing's for certain, though - we will be seeing much more of Carla Baron. (And we didn't need to consult our "crystal ball" for that one!)

Producers, press and media agencies, network representatives, and others wishing to contact Ms. Baron directly should do so by visiting her official website: www.carlabaron.net.

Trawling through the idiocy that is the Sky News message boards I found this measured response to someone who suggested that psychics may not be aiding in the search:

Posted by TruthsofLife 07 June 07 12:00 Quote: I don't rate her after reading quite a bit about her. But then I don't rate any psychic, medium etc who do nothing more than grab attention for themselves and waste police time!

Doing NOTHING MORE? How dare you judge Carla Baron in that sumation? I ask you, what have you done to help bring home a case or find a cold killer? I bet you have joined search parties, hung posters, made ribbons....I know...you held the hand of a family member like Carla has. My sarcasm is my contempt for people like you.

Law enforcement seeks out people like Carla because they have no more avenues to explore. How dare you say she wastes their time when as a mother I would rather have her input regarding a missing child than your useless judgments. But that is right, I forgot, you have experienced first hand how a psychic profiler works with a detective and you know first hand the very intricate relationship.

I do not care to rate your post as it is careless, inconsiderate and useless to those of us that have had missing children! I rate Carla Baron as the future of psychic profilers.

[Hapexamendios]

Yes, excellent result. I seen a forum at Sky News the other day and there were pages and pages of people discussing his site, not one negative remark. It did make me want to cry.

He has been milking the situation loads, but he may be astute enough to know when to back off a story. There is a fine line for these charlatans between seeking the exposure they need to increase their profile and future earning potential against exposing themselves as the fakes they are.

Ms Lazarus has been quite quiet recently, she too must be rethinking the level of exposure she is seeking. She can't have done herself any favours so far with her laughable attempts at regurgitating what is already in the public doman. But then again, she probably gets away with that most of the time because not every case is like this one, where the level of evidence is so widely publicised yet so incomplete.


I don't know if this video has already been posted here, but here's Ms Lazarus regurgitating what is already in the public domain (nice turn of phrase there FSOTM) about the Muriel Drinkwater case. I also live quite near Ms Lazarus and know a few people who've had readings with her.


Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTj1-Psk09g)

Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrYsT0_QSEs)

[Reno]

Strange dream I had last night. The authorities found Maddy alive and well in an apartment, behind the couch. There was a rolled up carpet and scrunched-up newspapers in my dream too.

I also dreamt I was James Bond fighting a baddie on top of a fast-moving train.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I don't know if this video has already been posted here, but here's Ms Lazarus regurgitating what is already in the public domain (nice turn of phrase there FSOTM) about the Muriel Drinkwater case. I also live quite near Ms Lazarus and know a few people who've had readings with her.


Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTj1-Psk09g)

Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrYsT0_QSEs)

Sorry, I could only watch the first one before my brain liquidised itself. That reminded me of the episode of the BS Detective on BBC3 recently when they set three psychics up with a false story and two of the three recited it almost word for word. I'd love to see Lazarus' face in a similar situation, although she is past the point where she needs to take such unnecessary risks to publicise herself.

[jezzedout]

Interesting thread. I've never heard of this Brian guy before, but I live in the US so doesn't mean anything really. As I read some of the messages on his website, I couldn't help thinking they could easily have been written by Brian himself, as there's no header info. That said, he does seem to include a few negative ones, so it's hard to say one way or the other. The thing I found most curious was when I looked at his lotto picks section. Based on the responses from people who seem to have bought his lotto picks packages, people are reporting lots of 2 and 3 number hits, for wins in the ballpark of $5 to $20 on average. I'd be curious to know... 1) how these wins compare to the amount of money spent on the lotto; 2) whether he's ever gotten more than 3 numbers correct (fyi... I get 3 numbers quite often, doesn't make me psychic), and 3) how much these people spent to receive Brian's picks versus how much they won? The whole thing just reeks of a scam to me.

[Becky78]

I have just read an article stating that a psychics has sent a map containing the location where they believe that Maddy's body is. Apparently whoever the psychic is has helped locate a body in another missing person case before.

It's lucky the family are sceptical as this could be horrible for them. Anyone else seen this?

[Azrael 5]

Ir ead about that Becky on another forum,I can't find a link anywhere though or a name of the "psychic".

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Did it look anything like this I wonder?

7299

[Becky78]

yeah that'd be about right!

I cannot believe somebody could do this to her parents. Azrael they weren't named in the article I read, but they had "drawn a map to find the body of a missing person before". :mad:

[Geckko]

This report doesn't say anything about "psychics" writing the letter:

Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=SKX3A4DSXPUQRQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQ WIV0?xml=/news/2007/06/13/wmaddy113.xml)

What it does say is this:

Portuguese Police said they have kept hundreds of visions and tips from clairvoyants about Madeleine's whereabouts in a file three inches thick. They have followed each one in case they are from the abductor.

How much valuable police time have these $%&*£%s wasted. :mad:

[Azrael 5]

The report I read said the poilice had recieved info to what Becky stated and similiar info pinpointed where two Belgian girls were found last year in Netehrlands.It seemed to infer the same cartographer!!

[bonavada]

BBC report HERE (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6749131.stm) on the anonymous letter. it is stated the letter "bore similarities" to another which led to the discovery of two little girls elsewhere in europe. a convicted paedophile is currently awaiting trial for the murders.

BV

[Big Les]

Well lookee thar (http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5605.htm). Our mate Brian is STILL cashing in on the McCann case despite his earlier claims and the wishes of the parents:

it might be connected and I'm working and if it is, it still possible that this event has not happed. I'm trying to get the exact location of this box (I believe it's an animal cage) and hopefully have more today. I really wish this girls parents would have more of an open mind when it comes to dreams and their meanings, but I now realize that convincing them and others what I can do is real.

Evil bastage.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

She is still alive and will be found this weekend though.

Shopper psychic says Madeleine is alive

MISSING four-year-old Madeleine McCann is almost certainly alive and should be found on Saturday according to the News Shopper online clairvoyant.

Graham Dare says Madeleine is probably at a plastic bag factory in Yemen, having been transferred from her kidnappers to another family.

Mr Dare has also revealed that the factory, called Shohb, is near the coast and the child is being well cared for.

One of the place's local landmarks appears to be an old cannon and the clairvoyant has also had a vision of a large tent-like structure.

Mr Dare says Madeleine was taken away from her parents in a red 4x4 vehicle with a number plate including the letters F and H.

Madeleine disappeared from the Portuguese apartment where her family were staying on May 3.

Mr Dare, a professional clairvoyant, has been answering readers' questions on News Shopper's website since 2004.

http://tinyurl.com/2aewuq

Although kudos to the comment from this guy:

Posted by: Norbert, Yemen on 5:10pm today
I am also a clairvoyant. I can catergorically state that Maddie is not at the plastic bag factory in Yemen. She's at the cardboard box factory in Oman.


You've just got to marvel at the morals of any newspaper who decides to run such crapola, even if it is the news shopper...

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

I've just spotted that Mr Dare, obviously slightly taken aback at the lack of fawning appreciation in the comments, has replied in the comments himself:

Posted by: Graham Dare, 31 Hatton Garden, EC1 on 9:31pm today
Just adding a comment relating to any negative comments: a I was asked by the new shopper to respond to a reader request to help, so I said I could not respond direct to the reader but would try to help if a journalist came to see me, so they sent one, so this entry above is not unsolicited. b. apart from the message above I also got the latitude/longditude 49.9 12.3 which I looked up after and found it appears to be Yemen so this is too co-incidental not to mean anything. c. also giving the reading while the other local search was in full swing was a testament to the fact I am reaqsonably confident. But all we can all do is try to help by sendng out prayers/etc.

No comment required, really.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

another update on this, the site has pulled the story, although they still maintain they were correct to show it in the first place.

Madeleine McCann article
By Simon Bull
YESTERDAY News Shopper ran a story which featured a prediction from our online clairvoyant Graham Dare on the possible whereabouts of Madeleine McCann.

We consider it to have been a legitimate article because Mr Dare is a professional clairvoyant and the request for his help came from a reader.

But because of the nature of the criticism levelled at the article, the volume of insensitive comments posted on the story and very recent developments in the Madeleine McCann case, we feel it is appropriate to remove the story from the website.

There has been a lot of interest in the story, with some very positive comments, but we want to be careful not to cause any offence at a sensitive time.

None of the comments were particularly insensitive, rather they were incredulous that such a story whould have been run at all.

[Filippo Lippi]

He repeats the claim on his own website

http://www.spiritual-healers.co.uk/default.asp

Graham was asked by a reporter 13/Jun/07 about Madeleine McCann and said will be found 16/Jun/07 between Shohb, Sinaa, Yemen and Latitude 12.3n Longitude 49.9e.

[Azrael 5]

Thats the thing when you stick your neck out Graham Dare with specific dates you look stupid when it it passes uneventfully!

Jerk.

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

Psychics aren't allowed to charge blah blah blah

Here are his absurd 'rates'. Apologies for poor formatting.

Rates
Clinics, London Cost
£ 55
£ 95
£ 135
£ 175
Minutes
30
60
90
120


£35__________15

50% cancellation charge under 24 hours, 100% cancellation charge for missed appointments. Cancellations must go to mobile above, otherwise add 24 hours to each of above if via e-mail or answerphone. No card payment facility.
No win no fee option available for healing between £8000-£10000.


Home visit Greater London £175
Home Visit M25/M4 area £200
Home Visits other England Variable, £225 - £375
Residential Treatment £1,256 for 1 week of healing sessions
E-mail Reading £55 (or tel/text), pay into 09-06-66 41811810
Parties Per medium - £300 (or £35 per 15 minute reading) in Greater London, £325 M25/M4, £375 other areas. Double at Weekends.
Students Half price during consession times. Minimum age 16.

http://www.spiritual-healers.co.uk/contact.asp

[Becky78]

Well he is the "UK's number 1 top medium" (although I have believed in some woo stuff in my time and I have never heard of him) so he can charge what he likes.

Why would you predict specific things about Madeleine McCann being found knowing you would be shown up for the fraud you are when it doesn't happen. People won't be paying his "rates" now!

[Azrael 5]

How does "no win no fee" work on healing? At those prices it had better work!
£8,000-£10,000 :(

[John Jackson]

How does "no win no fee" work on healing?


If you die, you're entitled to claim your money back.

[Filippo Lippi]

Graham was asked by a reporter 13/Jun/07 about Madeleine McCann and said will be found between Shohb, Sinaa, Yemen and Latitude 12.3n Longitude 49.9e.

Subtle change there. If the little girl is found no doubt the other details will be just as changeable.

[homer]

So as usual those ' psychics' have done nothing to help only add to the problem . The thing that worries me about all this is the sheer volume of these guesses , statistically somebody's going to get lucky one day and we'll never hear the end of it . The other 10^6 misses being quietly forgotten of course .

[Filippo Lippi]

http://www.spiritual-healers.co.uk/

Graham was asked by a reporter 13/Jun/07 about Madeleine McCann and said will be found 10/Jul/07 between Shohb, Sinaa, Yemen and Latitude 12.3n Longitude 49.9e.

Spot the difference again

[Filippo Lippi]

At http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/leisure/clairvoyant/askgraham/

I've just asked the following question

Can Graham please explain the differences between these predictions made on his website?
"Graham was asked by a reporter 13/Jun/07 about Madeleine McCann and said will be found 16/Jun/07 between Shohb, Sinaa, Yemen and Latitude 12.3n Longitude 49.9e."
" Graham was asked by a reporter 13/Jun/07 about Madeleine McCann and said will be found between Shohb, Sinaa, Yemen and Latitude 12.3n Longitude 49.9e."
"Graham was asked by a reporter 13/Jun/07 about Madeleine McCann and said will be found 10/Jul/07 between Shohb, Sinaa, Yemen and Latitude 12.3n Longitude 49.9e."

[Filippo Lippi]

D'oh!

[FarSideOfTheMoon]

He seems to be going off on a rather odd tangent, even for a psychic. I can only imagine his 'out' will be any link to the Middle East, perhaps even if anyone involved looks like an arab, or is from a muslim country?

[SkeptismIsHealthy]

It's terrible that "psychics" would go there against the wishes of her family.

[Locknar]

So I wonder what the excuse will be if say, just on the off chance, Graham's prediction does not pan out...

I know...a psychic wrong?? How could I even suggest such a thing.....