The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities

[TjW]

If you can't communicate with living people, what makes you think you could communicate with the dead?

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

Getting back to my idea

"your neurons are the oldest cells in the body and many of the neurons in your brain today you were actually born with."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/08/060812155215.htm


"Every cell that is alive in you has been alive since life began, or thereabout. Rather spiffy, when you think about it!"

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/3528/P80/


"okay, we START with brain wave activity...eegs or MRIs and then have something like a neuron pulse indicator or an Elsevier Article Locator ( http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0896627300000568 ) as well that follows the electrical activity traveling from the brain to beyond the body?"

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/3528/P80/



Thank you,
Tim

[wollery]

And what do the above quotes indicate?

[Hokulele]

Other than the fact that your first two quotes directly contradict each other, so what?

[my_wan]

Other than the fact that your first two quotes directly contradict each other, so what?

<derail>
Hokulele, isn't your month up yet?!!!
</derail>

Tim,
You need to learn how to use quotes. Your even adding your own comments to quotes of me as if I said them. I never asked "Can BrainGate read morse code thoughts?"


Please feel free to list all the ways we can communicate with electrical thought, please fill free to list as many as you can count too.

Isn't SETI enough? Any satellite signal would work about as well. I'm sure being dead I wouldn't have to worry about the lack of air. Any coded message that spy agencies would want to decode. I would make the ultimate spy and wouldn't even have to worry about treason. Essentially any signal that anybody has an interest in decoding or analyzing the interference.


Please feel free to list all the ways we can communicate with electrical thought, please fill free to list as many as you can count too.


I say "Hey let's go mess with the SETI people :biggrin:." and you say;


I don't mess with anybody, I try and communicate the best I can with what I have to work with. Please let me make sure you understand where I am coming from. My idea has nothing to do with me.

So Mr Vice President you didn't even know that "mess" with them just means go talk to them!!!! If you didn't know that you can't even communicate with the living.


What are ghost cops?

That's the afterlife cops that put you in an ecto-jail if you try to talk with the living. Unless of course you do it on an internet message board where nobody knows you are really dead ;).

[Hokulele]

<derail>
Hokulele, isn't your month up yet?!!!
</derail>


This week Thursday. Although I will admit, I have gotten enough comments about my "disturbing" avatar, it may be worth keeping a few extra days. :cool:

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

SETI, is close, they just need tweaked a little with paradigm.

BrainGate works off of a mathematical formula, now what are the odds that SETI is using the same mathematical formula, and what experience does SETI have with communicating with electrical thoughts. Have they asked for help from BrainGate patients?

How are they helping us, if they are not on the same page with us.

My idea is a string, it is connected to the string theory, is it still an idea, or is it a theory, I am confused.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Other than the fact that your first two quotes directly contradict each other, so what?

It's science contradiction, I just report it to save time.

To save time, I believe we need to stay focused on this statement.


my wan

"I understand. I even took the time to understand because I wanted to. It is certainly in my best interest to understand because if I find myself dead and still thinking I want to know what my options are."

Ditto

[Tim4848]

To who it may concern,

What options do you have if you find yourself dead and your still seeing and thinking?

Besides my topic, none.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

Check this out if you have the time.

The Largest and Most Comprehensive Ghost Conference the Paranormal World has Ever Seen is Coming to Gettysburg
July 20-22, 2007

http://www.ghostworldconference.com/

Too bad I just got back from vacation.

Thank you,
Tim

[Cuddles]

it is connected to the string theory

No it isn't.

[wollery]

SETI, is close, they just need tweaked a little with paradigm.Do you know what SETI measure and how they record and interpret it?

BrainGate works off of a mathematical formula,What formula? How do you know this?

now what are the odds that SETI is using the same mathematical formula,No idea. What formula does BrainGate use? What formula does SETI use? In what way is what they measure similar?

and what experience does SETI have with communicating with electrical thoughts.None. Perhaps you should read up on what SETI does.

Have they asked for help from BrainGate patients? No. Why would they?

How are they helping us, if they are not on the same page with us.Which page would that be and why should SETI be on it?

My idea is a string,Really? First time you've mentioned that.

it is connected to the string theory,Do you know what string theory is?

is it still an idea, or is it a theory,Unless you can demonstrate how your idea is connected to string theory then it remains just an idea.

I am confused.That much is clear.

It's science contradiction, I just report it to save time.In what way does it save time? You haven't said what you think those quotes show?

To save time, I believe we need to stay focused on this statement.To save time you could actually answer some of the questions that people keep asking you instead of continuously posting vague pseudoscientific statements and links to apparently unconnected things.

What options do you have if you find yourself dead and your still seeing and thinking?A lot of options, depending on what that state allows you to do.

Besides my topic, none.Wrong.

Check this out if you have the time.

The Largest and Most Comprehensive Ghost Conference the Paranormal World has Ever Seen is Coming to Gettysburg
July 20-22, 2007

http://www.ghostworldconference.com/

Too bad I just got back from vacation.What relevance does this have to your proposed OBE/NDE research?

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

I've come to the conclusion, that it takes less time to ask a question than to answering one.

Because of the increase number of good questions, I will have to hold off on responding to them, until I have more time.

Thank you,
Tim



Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

No it isn't.

Please fill free to explain to me what we have that is better, and why you feel that way about it?

You answer my questions to your comments, and I will try and do the same.

Thank you,
Tim

[wollery]

Tim, if you make claims then it's up to you to produce reasons, or evidence, to back up those claims. You said that your idea is linked to string theory, it's up to you to explain how it's linked to string theory. Either you know the answer to that question, or you were just making stuff up that you thought sounded good. If it's the former then it's up to you to offer that answer. If you fail to offer such an answer then I, and the other posters in this thread, will have no option but to assume the latter.

And this is why I keep insisting that you don't call it a theory. You keep posting statements about scientific sounding things in relation to it, but never actually back them up with any science or, indeed, evidence. That's all I'm asking for, and I don't think it's very much to ask.

And given how few posts are being made on this thread your claim of not having enough time to answer us is, frankly, laughable. You've made 5 posts in the last 24 hours, all in this thread. A total of 188 words, 27 of which are accounted for by "To whom it may concern" and Thank you, Tim". Which leaves 161 thought requiring words in 24 hours, at a posting rate of 6.7 words per hour, or a little over one word every 10 minutes!

That's fewer than this post of mine, which took a little over ten minutes to write, and I had to do some maths and hold a conversation with a co-worker while doing it. All you have to do is answer some questions to which you should have the answers.

Of course, if that's too much for you......

[Cuddles]

Please fill free to explain to me what we have that is better, and why you feel that way about it?

You answer my questions to your comments, and I will try and do the same.

Thank you,
Tim

This has absolutely nothing to do with my post. I said that your nonsense has nothing to do with string theory. Your response makes no sense.

[Tim4848]

Dear wollery, you have no questions that is hard, just time consuming.

If you go back and look at the last thread I posted about BrainGate, you will hear them talk about the math involved with BrainGate, and if you are really interested in the String theory, here is where you can find that as well.

http://www.mkaku.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1076

I'm sorry I don't have more time, but everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, even for me.


Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Dear Oualawouzou,

BrainGate is an example for communicating with thought, if you know other ways that can communicate with thought, please feel free to list them.

Thank you,
Tim

[Loss Leader]

BrainGate is an example for communicating with thought, if you know other ways that can communicate with thought, please feel free to list them.


Tim - as well as you understand it, what does it mean to communicate with thought? What is it that the BrainGate machine actually measures?

[Tim4848]

What do you think it actually does?

[wollery]

Dear wollery, you have no questions that is hard, just time consuming.

If you go back and look at the last thread I posted about BrainGate, you will hear them talk about the math involved with BrainGate, and if you are really interested in the String theory, here is where you can find that as well.

http://www.mkaku.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1076

I'm sorry I don't have more time, but everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, even for me.


Thank you,
TimDo you really expect me to take the time to scour that whole thread? All 18 pages? If you know how your idea is connected to string theory then just say so, or point me to the specific post in that thread that details it. As you say, everything takes its allotted time, and I don't have enough spare to trawl through screeds of posts to find the one exact thing I'm supposed to look for.

How is your idea connected to string theory? State it or post a link to a specific post on that other board.

Otherwise, stop making that claim.

[wollery]

What do you think it actually does?He asked you.

Do you know or not?

[Loss Leader]

What do you think it actually does?


I know what it does.

I'm asking you what you think it does.

What does the BrainGate machine actually measure?

[TjW]

Tim, whom it may concern:

Is your behavior on this thread an example of how you would behave when trying to communicate with dead entities?
Wouldn't it be as pointless for a dead person to attempt to communicate with you as it seems to be for the rest of us?

[my_wan]

Tim, whom it may concern:

Is your behavior on this thread an example of how you would behave when trying to communicate with dead entities?
Wouldn't it be as pointless for a dead person to attempt to communicate with you as it seems to be for the rest of us?

Good point. To avoid summing Tim up in a word; Unfortunately the communication issues with Tim are more severe than just limited skills. There are simply a wide range of skills that Tim is incapable of recognizing much less acquiring under any circumstances or level of effort. Of those skills he does posses he has developed them very well.

[wollery]

Good point. To avoid summing Tim up in a word; Unfortunately the communication issues with Tim are more severe than just limited skills. There are simply a wide range of skills that Tim is incapable of recognizing much less acquiring under any circumstances or level of effort. Of those skills he does posses he has developed them very well.Which skills are they?

[my_wan]

Which skills are they?

To fully answer that I would have to provide a diagnoses of Tim I'm not technically qualified to give on an open forum and explain exactly what his limitations are. Generally what you say is in no way representative of what Tim believes you have said. The differences are so severe as to make the possibility of being understood by him using any words moot. The best I can do is say that his associative skills, within the limits of his comprehension, are very well developed.

[Tim4848]

To fully answer that I would have to provide a diagnoses of Tim I'm not technically qualified to give on an open forum and explain exactly what his limitations are. Generally what you say is in no way representative of what Tim believes you have said. The differences are so severe as to make the possibility of being understood by him using any words moot. The best I can do is say that his associative skills, within the limits of his comprehension, are very well developed.

Thank you my wan, and that is why I need your help more than ever, so we can tackle this impossible obstacle with more comprehension.

Here is another story about how fantasy becomes reality.

Guglielmo Marconi is undoubtedly one of the best known names of the twentieth century. His success, in 1901, in bridging the Atlantic by wireless revolutionized Worldwide communications and brought enormous benefits to mankind. The very idea of sending signals to the other side of the world had been dismissed as fantasy by the scientific world, most mathematicians taking the view that the curvature of the earth was an impossible obstacle. But Marconi believed they were wrong and was determined to prove it. The quest was to try his courage and fortitude to the limit but in December 1901, undaunted in the face of what seemed overwhelming odds, he received on the shores of Newfoundland signals transmitted from his station at Poldhu in Cornwall. It was a giant step in international technology, acknowledged at the time as the greatest triumph of applied science and, in modern times, likened to the success of putting a man on the moon. In 2001 a hundred years since Marconi’s Atlantic leap, a commemorative £2 coin celebrating his achievement and all that has stemmed from it. Appropriately enough, the special reverse design takes wireless waves as its theme. They feature in both the centre and outer border, while a spark of electricity linking the zeros of the date generates a radiating series of three dots, the Morse code letter S and representing the signal successfully transmitted across 1800 miles of ocean in 1901.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.historyofpa.co.uk/gfx/cw/iie/wirelessWaves.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.historyofpa.co.uk/pages/cw_iie_.htm&h=235&w=405&sz=31&hl=en&start=5&tbnid=2Jf1IXEh2maF8M:&tbnh=72&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bfirst%2Bimage%2Bever%2Btransmit ted%2Bby%2Bwireless%2Bwaves%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den %26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

I know what it does.

I'm asking you what you think it does.

What does the BrainGate machine actually measure?

Positive possibilities!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDiWF...elated&search=

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Do you really expect me to take the time to scour that whole thread? All 18 pages? If you know how your idea is connected to string theory then just say so, or point me to the specific post in that thread that details it. As you say, everything takes its allotted time, and I don't have enough spare to trawl through screeds of posts to find the one exact thing I'm supposed to look for.

How is your idea connected to string theory? State it or post a link to a specific post on that other board.

Otherwise, stop making that claim.

#1 03-12-2007, 08:36 PM
Tim Brewer
Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Posts: 105

String theory joins afterlife theory

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Is there room in the string theory for the afterlife theory, they go hand in hand. You can't have one with out the other.

Afterlife is electrical energy changing form, but still working as usual, without beeing seen, but being conected to the string theory just the same.
Life in the invisible force.

What do you think?

Tim

[Tim4848]

Tim, whom it may concern:

Is your behavior on this thread an example of how you would behave when trying to communicate with dead entities?
Wouldn't it be as pointless for a dead person to attempt to communicate with you as it seems to be for the rest of us?

No!

Thank you,
Tim

[Loss Leader]

To fully answer that I would have to provide a diagnoses of Tim I'm not technically qualified to give on an open forum and explain exactly what his limitations are. Generally what you say is in no way representative of what Tim believes you have said. The differences are so severe as to make the possibility of being understood by him using any words moot. The best I can do is say that his associative skills, within the limits of his comprehension, are very well developed.



My Wan - Is there anything that we, as outsiders, can do to communicate with Tim more effectively?

[my_wan]

To fully answer that I would have to provide a diagnoses of Tim I'm not technically qualified to give on an open forum and explain exactly what his limitations are. Generally what you say is in no way representative of what Tim believes you have said. The differences are so severe as to make the possibility of being understood by him using any words moot. The best I can do is say that his associative skills, within the limits of his comprehension, are very well developed.

Thank you my wan, and that is why I need your help more than ever, so we can tackle this impossible obstacle with more comprehension.


Point made.

My Wan - Is there anything that we, as outsiders, can do to communicate with Tim more effectively?

Unfortunately no. I stated the above correspondence with the intent of saying it in such a way as to lead Tim to the opposite conclusion of what I said. The value of this approach is limited due to the limitations of what can be conveyed at all.

[Tim4848]

Tim, if you make claims then it's up to you to produce reasons, or evidence, to back up those claims. You said that your idea is linked to string theory, it's up to you to explain how it's linked to string theory. Either you know the answer to that question, or you were just making stuff up that you thought sounded good. If it's the former then it's up to you to offer that answer. If you fail to offer such an answer then I, and the other posters in this thread, will have no option but to assume the latter.

I hate it wollery when you start assuming.

Do you want evidence like you would see on C.S.I.?

And this is why I keep insisting that you don't call it a theory. You keep posting statements about scientific sounding things in relation to it, but never actually back them up with any science or, indeed, evidence. That's all I'm asking for, and I don't think it's very much to ask.

Dear wollery,

Heres evidence that you don't need evidence to make something a reality.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...lr%3D%26sa%3DN


Example:

Pretend you are a doctor in almost every field of science, unless you already are, and then Bill Gates hires you to do a job for him.

He saids that he once had an out of body experience, and he believes like I do, from his own experience or evidence in his mind that it is possible.

Would you treat him like a customer and do it for him?

My idea is based on setting the out of body afterlife up with the tools they will need to succeed in this possibility. This is like one of those Nike commercials, "Don't talk about it, don't think about it, just do it"
All you have to do is change your mind set to the possibility, and then start seeing it from a different perspective, that of the customer.

If the customer can visualize how they want it, based on their own experience, then it is science responsibility to make it happen.

Where I come from, the customer is always right, and if we have that mind set going forward with this topic, then we would be one step closer to reaching our goals.

Example:

Try:

What can I do to make you happy!


Don't try:

It can't be done, or I want you to do this, before I am willing to do that.


We do not need evidence now for the idea to work later

The idea is simple:

The positive process will create the proof.

The core of my evidence is my out of body experience and the fact that my inner thoughts believe it is possible.

I do not want to re-invent the wheel , I just want an opportunity to use it.

At this time, we do not know if it is possible or not to communicate with out of body afterlife people. With that being said, I believe it is in the best interest of every customer in at least viewing this topic on a weekly basis until we reach some positive results.


And given how few posts are being made on this thread your claim of not having enough time to answer us is, frankly, laughable.
You've made 5 posts in the last 24 hours, all in this thread. A total of 188 words, 27 of which are accounted for by "To whom it may concern" and Thank you, Tim". Which leaves 161 thought requiring words in 24 hours, at a posting rate of 6.7 words per hour, or a little over one word every 10 minutes!

I'm sorry if my inner paradigm thinking takes longer, but it must always try and take me out of pain and into pleasure for this thing to work correctly.
Comfort zone thinking is boring, it makes me mumble.

That's fewer than this post of mine, which took a little over ten minutes to write, and I had to do some maths and hold a conversation with a co-worker while doing it. All you have to do is answer some questions to which you should have the answers.

Of course, if that's too much for you......

I am tougher on myself than you could ever be.

I do believe to save time and money, we need to keep it as simple as possible for now.

Thank you,

Tim

[Tim4848]

Tim, I think we all would be very interested to know what you think is happening in Miss Anthrope's picture.

Then I promise that she will explain it clearly.

Good question Loss Leader,

Can the movement in the picture be measured?

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.historyofpa.co.uk/gfx/cw/iie/wirelessWaves.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.historyofpa.co.uk/pages/cw_iie_.htm&h=235&w=405&sz=31&hl=en&start=5&tbnid=2Jf1IXEh2maF8M:&tbnh=72&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bfirst%2Bimage%2Bever%2Btransmit ted%2Bby%2Bwireless%2Bwaves%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den %26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

Can we put the movement in a position to measure itself?

If we could do that, my idea will be simple.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Point made.



Unfortunately no. I stated the above correspondence with the intent of saying it in such a way as to lead Tim to the opposite conclusion of what I said. The value of this approach is limited due to the limitations of what can be conveyed at all.

So are you saying my wan that your conclusion has no value since you have no facts to back it up?

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

My Wan - Is there anything that we, as outsiders, can do to communicate with Tim more effectively?

Good question,

I like pictures, links about the topic and being treated like a pretend customer to help speed up this process.

What does it hurt to try different things until you find something that works for all parties involved.

Thank you,
Tim

[wollery]

#1 03-12-2007, 08:36 PM
Tim Brewer
Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dayton, Ohio
Posts: 105

String theory joins afterlife theory

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Is there room in the string theory for the afterlife theory, they go hand in hand. You can't have one with out the other.

Afterlife is electrical energy changing form, but still working as usual, without beeing seen, but being conected to the string theory just the same.
Life in the invisible force.

What do you think?

TimI think that you've illustrated my point perfectly. Nowhere in that post do you say how your idea is connected to string theory, just that it is.

Do you even know what string theory is?

[my_wan]

Good question Loss Leader,

Can the movement in the picture be measured?

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.historyofpa.co.uk/gfx/cw/iie/wirelessWaves.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.historyofpa.co.uk/pages/cw_iie_.htm&h=235&w=405&sz=31&hl=en&start=5&tbnid=2Jf1IXEh2maF8M:&tbnh=72&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dthe%2Bfirst%2Bimage%2Bever%2Btransmit ted%2Bby%2Bwireless%2Bwaves%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den %26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

Can we put the movement in a position to measure itself?

If we could do that, my idea will be simple.

Thank you,
Tim

:czwacky: <--Movement measuring itself.

[TjW]

Good question,

I like pictures, links about the topic and being treated like a pretend customer to help speed up this process.

What does it hurt to try different things until you find something that works for all parties involved.

Thank you,
Tim

Treated like a a pretend customer? Okay, I'll channel Mr. Larsen from the dim days of my childhood:
"Hey kid, either buy something or get the [rule 8 ] out!"

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities, now has it's own web site and forum.

http://www.freewebs.com/tim4848/

Please take the time to check it out and tell me what you think.

Thank you,
Tim

[wollery]

Let's see, posts by Tim Brewer, Tim4848, Tbrewer0032woh.rr.com…

I guess if the future out of body afterlife people won't talk to you, you might as well make a forum, use 3 different aliases (poorly disguised) and talk to yourself. :rolleyes:

[my_wan]

Over on brain meta he published his correspondence with the JREF MDC. His user name is Tim4848 there also.
http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17291&st=0

Tim Brewer,

Hi, and thanks for your interest in the James Randi Educational Foundation's Million Dollar Challenge!

Can you be anymore specific? Would it definitely be proof of the afterlife, or could it be construed as something else? For instance, having disembodied voices on tape could be proof of the afterlife or proof that there are talking fairies or a recording error.

Would it be very clear what it was?

Thanks again,

JREF Challenge Desk

He has removed his responses to himself now.

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

Please fill free to call me what ever you like, as I must do to get on some sites, based on other peoples names already on those sites.

Re:The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibility
« Reply #55 on: Today at 08:55:53am »

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"I understand. I even took the time to understand because I wanted to. It is certainly in my best interest to understand because if I find myself dead and still thinking I want to know what my options are."
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Thank you Tim, i liked it. Really cheered me up today.

You know I had been very ill the year before and DEath has always been my greatest Fear, not because of the pain of going through it, but because i dont know whats on the other side waiting for me after i die, its hard to accept what Catholic says about it: one dies and sleeps endlessly until Judgement Day. And i dont want to die before i find out whats on the other side knowing the world we live is just an illusory. And i dont want someone else to die and not know what may happen to his spirit. And yes, this may sound crazy, but im one who is also about to try almost anything just to get to the side, life is short, time is pressing... time is running...

and no, it doesnt hurt to have a back up plan :)

goodluck Tim!
your site looks so cool

Long live the back up plan!

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

Info about the USSR:

- The USSR has technology that records thought energy & stores it - they have been able to use the energy to later perform tasks. See Amplified Mind Power

- Petukhov asserted that certain particles of living cells "are emitted" when such cells divide, that they can be "detected and measured and that these radiating particles can carry information." Their function could "explain the basis for telepathy" and related phenomena.

- Professor Mikhailov stated: "The article beginning Petukhov, Valery G., from the word of `micro-organism self-radiation' to the words `by means of vacuum particles in space' states that within the content of living cells are particles . . . and these particles are grounds for discussing the fundamental problems of biology in the context of biology and parapsychology. There is also information about the uses of such particles.

- U.S. government officials were jittery that research in parapsychology might cause them to be accused of spending public funds on science fiction projects.
When columnist Jack Anderson reported early in 1981 that a laboratory in the basement of the Pentagon was devoted to Para psychological experiments, his comments were heavy with ridicule and sarcasm.

- He asked: "Does Professor Kitaygorodsky seriously believe that the frontiers of physics have been reached?" He cited scientific breakthroughs in radioactivity, quantum theory, and lasers, and wrote: "What if telepathic phenomena conform to some new, as yet undiscovered laws which do not contradict already known rules governing electrons?" Fillipov added: "Rejecting a priori the possibilities of telepathy and other processes still unfamiliar to science amounts of rejecting Lenin's idea that, on any given level of scientific development, our knowledge of the work remains incomplete."

- Such criticisms had been voiced, on and off, for some twenty years in the Soviet Union. During the life of Mao Zedong, Chinese communist ideologues even accused the Soviet Union and the United States of using parapsychology to foster "religion without the cross" in order to distract their citizenry form economic difficulties.


- The report was entitled "Controlled Offensive Intelligence Agency (DIA), Task Number T72-01-14.
In part it read: "The Soviet Union is well aware of the benefits and applications of parapsychology research. The term parapsychology denotes [in the Soviet Union] a multi-disciplinary field consisting of the sciences of bionics, biophysics, psychophysics, psychology, physiology and neuropsychological.
"Many scientist, U.S. and Soviet, feel that parapsychology can be harnessed to create conditions where one can alter or manipulate the minds of others. The major impetus behind the Soviet drive to harness the possible capabilities of telepathic communication, telekinetic and bionics are said to come from the Soviet military and the KGB [Committee of State Security; Secret Police]."


- In February, 1922, Kazhinsky was invited to address the All-Russian Congress of the Association of Naturalists, a top scientific organization perhaps equivalent to the American Institutes of Mental health today.
The topic of his lecture was HUMAN THOUGHT-ELECTRICITY, and he quickly published a book under the same title. Having been invited to address the All-Russian Congress, it would be clear that the Congress supported and funded Kazhensky's work, while his research thereafter apparently became classified.
By 1923, he had published his early findings in a book entitled THOUGHT TRANSFERENCE. This book attracted favorable attention among important brain researchers at the time.


http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/Ebon1.htm


Maybe astral beings could 'influence' such devices, what do you think?

Thank you,
Tim

[wollery]

We are only as good as what we have to work withThis is, sadly, very true. :rolleyes:

[Tim4848]

This is, sadly, very true. :rolleyes:

Thank you wollery for your comment, because that is exactly what I will be counting on in the weeks to come.

I am going to prove my idea based on other people mistakes until my idea is noticed based on inductive reasoning.

I really don't think these things up, they just come to me naturally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_%28philosophy%29

Thank you,
Tim

[wollery]

Thank you wollery for your comment, because that is exactly what I will be counting on in the weeks to come.

I am going to prove my idea based on other people mistakes until my idea is noticed based on inductive reasoning.

I really don't think these things up, they just come to me naturally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_%28philosophy%29

Thank you,
TimYour idea can be summed up as, "Hey, wouldn't it be really, like, cool if peoples' minds carried on after they were dead and we could communicate with them. You know, there's this machine that can read minds, let's us that to try to communicate with these dead dudes!"

Oh, and Tim, that sound you heard when you read my last post - that was the point whizzing several feet over your head.

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

This topic is free, there is no charge to read it. to interact with it, no obligations to buy anything, no secret catch. If you don't like the topic for any reason, please feel free to express why,
and if you really don't like it, just leave.

Now after saying all that, don't be surprise to read from time to time, how some people will try and put down this topic or me, over and over like they are doing it in your best interest. They are not, and please don't buy it. They do it, because it is in their best interest to do that, because they have something to hide.

My goal is to try and keep the topic simple; their goal is to try and make it sound impossible. I guess if I had something to hide as they do, I would try an make it go away as well.

Regardless what they say, you can't go wrong in believing in this possibility.

They have no fact to support their arguments about this topic, and they know that.

Don't let negativity from these type of people discourage you, please take the time to find out the real truth for your self.

This topic is no different than anything else we focus on in life.
It takes the right mind set, determination, and discipline to make anything a reality.

I am not the only living proof that this world is out there and they know it.

Do as I have and take control, don't be tricked by people who want you kept in the dark.

My goal by doing this is to free you up, to see this topic the way it was intended to be, a positive back up plan for the future.

There is no right or wrong at this point in the topic, it is still early in the process, but some would lead you to believe not to even waste your time with it. They try and act as though they are doing you a favor, as though they have all the answers. Just remember at this point, they don't.

I have been there, just like so many others before me.

The true negative people know I am right, and it tears them up inside, because they know the truth will come out one day, and they will have a lot of explaining to do.

They feel trapped by mistakes that they have made in the past, but it does not have to be that way, and I would be glad to explain that part, but they are too scared at this point to want to know that part.

All I am trying to do is improve people's lives in the future, with my experience and insight, nothing more.

This is the only topic, where you can really get the best information on this topic, and all I ask in return, is take the time to read the topic from time, interact if you like, and decide for your self.

You can learn from my thoughts and others about this topic, or do something else, that is your choice.

Please don't be discouraged by other people negativity, because they have a different agenda, that they don't want you to know about.

This is Paradigm hope that fits in well with the technology of the future.

It's designed for your future needs, if you love to communicating now, don't let this chance past you by.

It's clean, It's safe, and It is before any religion that I know of.

All I ask is the opportunity to keep coming to you with a wealth of future information on this topic, that I feel you will want to know at some point in your life, and if you have never been there as I have, just believe me when I say, you are going to want to know this stuff.

Sure this topic is big, but it is not that big.

Thank you for listening to my thoughts, and please fill free to reply.

Thank you,
Tim

[Miss Anthrope]

I have moved this thread to skepticism and the paranormal

[Little 10 Toes]

To whom it may concern,

This topic is free, there is no charge to read it. to interact with it, no obligations to buy anything, no secret catch. If you don't like the topic for any reason, please feel free to express why,
and if you really don't like it, just leave.

So far you have said (paraphrased) "There's life after death." We have asked for proof. "OBE & NDE are real." We have asked for proof. "Dead people will use BrainGate to contact us." We have asked, prove dead people can use BrainGate, prove dead people exist, prove something.

Now after saying all that, don't be surprise to read from time to time, how some people will try and put down this topic or me, over and over like they are doing it in your best interest. They are not, and please don't buy it. They do it, because it is in their best interest to do that, because they have something to hide.
We put down your idea because you haven't proven anything.
What are we trying to hide? If we were trying to hide something, this thread would have deleted. Are you a CT?

My goal is to try and keep the topic simple; their goal is to try and make it sound impossible. I guess if I had something to hide as they do, I would try an make it go away as well.
What are we trying to hide? Your goal stated is simple, but doing that goal is complex. Think JFK saying lets go to the moon. Sounds simple, getting there is complex. So far, you haven't shown proof. What is worse, showing something that is false, or not showing what is true?

Regardless what they say, you can't go wrong in believing in this possibility.

There is the possibility that I can fly unaided. I can't go wrong believing it, right?

They have no fact to support their arguments about this topic, and they know that.

Just like you have presented facts. Oh, what you haven't. Oopise!

Don't let negativity from these type of people discourage you, please take the time to find out the real truth for your self.
I agree. Find facts and then read this forum. Find facts for yourself, or when people present facts here, look at them yourself. Do not mistake stories for fact.

This topic is no different than anything else we focus on in life.
It takes the right mind set, determination, and discipline to make anything a reality.

To make anything a reality?

I am not the only living proof that this world is out there and they know it.

Who is "they"? What is "this world" that you speak off? Please define what you mean.

Do as I have and take control, don't be tricked by people who want you kept in the dark.
Again, totally agree here. Research and see what is proven by fact.

My goal by doing this is to free you up, to see this topic the way it was intended to be, a positive back up plan for the future.
How can you "free me up?" Please provide proof that there is an afterlife. Please proof that your plan is a back up plan. This goes back to the proof stuff and the facts stuff.

There is no right or wrong at this point in the topic, it is still early in the process, but some would lead you to believe not to even waste your time with it. They try and act as though they are doing you a favor, as though they have all the answers. Just remember at this point, they don't.
So far you have provided all the answers that we live on after death, that we can communicate after death, and that other people can communicate to us after death. Please provide proof.

I have been there, just like so many others before me.
Where have you been? Have you died?

The true negative people know I am right, and it tears them up inside, because they know the truth will come out one day, and they will have a lot of explaining to do.

But you just said that there is no right or wrong here, so how can you be right? Please prove us the truth you mention. Links?

They feel trapped by mistakes that they have made in the past, but it does not have to be that way, and I would be glad to explain that part, but they are too scared at this point to want to know that part.

Proof that "they" are scared? I have made some stupid mistakes in my past and I do not feel trapped by them. My eyebrows grew back. I threw up most of the salt. Please explain "that part" to us.

All I am trying to do is improve people's lives in the future, with my experience and insight, nothing more.
Please explain how your experience can improve my afterlife in the future when I'm dead. Your whole topic has been basically communication with the dead, and not improving it.

This is the only topic, where you can really get the best information on this topic, and all I ask in return, is take the time to read the topic from time, interact if you like, and decide for your self.
"Yes, don't be like one of the masses and believe everything that they tell you, believe everything I tell you." Why do you believe that this is the only place to get the best information?

You can learn from my thoughts and others about this topic, or do something else, that is your choice. Again totally agree here.

Please don't be discouraged by other people negativity, because they have a different agenda, that they don't want you to know about.
What is my agenda? Do I want people to know the truth, your truth, my truth, or a truth? Let me know because I must have an agenda.

This is Paradigm hope that fits in well with the technology of the future.
... if you believe the afterlife exists.
It's designed for your future needs, if you love to communicating now, don't let this chance past you by.I forget what the exact appeal name, but you can insert, "if you love your Mom" to get the same effect.

It's clean, It's safe, and It is before any religion that I know of.
And indorsed by Al Gore.

Personal opinion, but I figured the conversastion might have gone something like this:

Caveman Og: "Ug die, where he go after die?
Caveman Gruk: "Ug in hunting ground where he get all mastadon. He not get low auto rate in future."

Death, then religion.

All I ask is the opportunity to keep coming to you with a wealth of future information on this topic, that I feel you will want to know at some point in your life, and if you have never been there as I have, just believe me when I say, you are going to want to know this stuff.
So far you have not given us a "wealth of infomation" at all.

Sure this topic is big, but it is not that big.
Over 380 posts and still waiting for proof.
Thank you for listening to my thoughts, and please fill free to reply.
Which I have.
Thank you,
Tim
Your welcome. Please learn to use the quote system. I do not want to have my quotes mislabeled as yours.

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,
From Transformer,
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/3528/P260/

Cross post removed

Tim4848, please do not copy in full an entire lengthy message discussing this topic on another board. You did not offer any comment as to how this added to the topic on this forum. That message should be addressed at the forum you linked. Further incidents may be considered flooding or spamming the forum.

[my_wan]

Use quotes when quoting Tim, and keep your comments outside of those quotes.

[Cainkane1]

I once had my kidneys operated on and I was given a painkiller called roxicet. It put me out good and I thought I was outside my body looking down on myself sleeping. I wasn't of course but I can see how someone would believe they had an out of body experience. The only way I'd believe someone had one is if were able to read an open book in another room while out of body. Not going to happen.

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

Why do some people invest so much time in being painful, what purpose does it solve?

Do you honestly believe that I am trying to be painful, and why do you feel that way?

Thank you,
Tim

[Drudgewire]

The Internet has made me a pretty jaded guy, but this thread is really creeping me out. :(

[Hokulele]

Do you honestly believe that I am trying to be painful, and why do you feel that way?


Yes. You are trying to divert government funding away from very important research, such as cancer and AIDS, towards a fantasy supported by no one other than yourself. That is extremely painful.

[TjW]

Tim, whom it may concern:

You don't know. You don't know you don't know, so you think you know. Some who don't know they don't know can be made to know -- at least to know they don't know -- and sometimes even to know. But you don't want to know, particularly you don't want to know that you don't know, and without knowing that you don't know, you can never know.

[Tim4848]

The Internet has made me a pretty jaded guy, but this thread is really creeping me out. :(

How is it creeping you out, please be honest?

[Hokulele]

Tim, whom it may concern:

You don't know. You don't know you don't know, so you think you know. Some who don't know they don't know can be made to know -- at least to know they don't know -- and sometimes even to know. But you don't want to know, particularly you don't want to know that you don't know, and without knowing that you don't know, you can never know.


Nominated, as it made me giggle, is entirely appropriate, and will probably never be understood by the intended target.

[Tim4848]

Yes. You are trying to divert government funding away from very important research, such as cancer and AIDS, towards a fantasy supported by no one other than yourself. That is extremely painful.

Is it really the money issue that concerns you?

[Tim4848]

Tim, whom it may concern:

You don't know. You don't know you don't know, so you think you know. Some who don't know they don't know can be made to know -- at least to know they don't know -- and sometimes even to know. But you don't want to know, particularly you don't want to know that you don't know, and without knowing that you don't know, you can never know.

Why can we never know, with all that we know now?

[Tim4848]

Nominated, as it made me giggle, is entirely appropriate, and will probably never be understood by the intended target.

I have no ego when it comes to this topic.

If you could give me some good answers to some of my questions, I will be more than glad to consider changing some of my thoughts on this topic, but knowbody has really done that up to this point.

I will be more than glad to turn this topic over to other people who would like to carry it on if you like, but don't tell me that it is impossible, and that it is not worth exploring further in the future in some way, if for not any other reason than it's worth talking about.

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim, why would anyone else want to pick up where you leave off? So far you're saying something like this, "I think that invisible flying pink elephants can communicate with us using the WhatEver 2K device." We have said, "Prove that invisible flying pink elephants exist."

We know what we know, but we don't know what we don't know because no one that knows what we don't know has told us what we don't know, you know? Now, what we know now is not what we know now because now just past. Only you now know what you know now and I now know now that this is ridiculous.

Remember that the "N" on the University of Nebraska-Lincoln football helmets stands for knowledge.

[Hokulele]

Is it really the money issue that concerns you?


Absolutely. That is why you came here in the first place. Your earliest posts on this thread were asking for support for Braingate, and later you asked us to support government funding of research regarding your pet theories. If all you were interested in was a philosophical discussion, I would have no problems with your thread. Since you only seem to care about diverting funding away from deserving programs, I have large problems with it.


ETA: For those just joining us, here is what I am referring to:

To whom it may concern,

Our Government plans on spending $70 billion dollars next year alone on Research & Development.

Just think if we could get the Government to focus a little bit of money on this topic.

80% of Americans believe in some type of afterlife, but what type of Research & Development are they doing in that field next year?

It's our duty to keep them focused on this topic as well, it should always be at the top of an "A" list. I am not saying that they should spend a lot of money on it, but they should at least stay focused on it, as other technologies advance toward such a possibility.

Just one tax payer to another.

What type of research do you feel is more important than this one?


Thank you,
Tim

[Skeptic Guy]

Absolutely. That is why you came here in the first place. Your earliest posts on this thread were asking for support for Braingate, and later you asked us to support government funding of research regarding your pet theories. If all you were interested in was a philosophical discussion, I would have no problems with your thread. Since you only seem to care about diverting funding away from deserving programs, I have large problems with it.


ETA: For those just joining us, here is what I am referring to:


Yup, I see where you're coming from Hokulele.

It would be a huge waste of taxpayer money with tragic implications to other, government-funded programs with real benefit to the public.

Tim, you ask what research is more important than this. I think it easier to ask what research is less important than this.

[Tim4848]

Dear Hokulele,

At this time, all I have is a philosophical discussion.
One that discusses all possibilities.

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim4848, you are not discussing all possibilities. We have suggested that there is no afterlife. Without re-reading the entire thread at this time, you really haven't provided proof that there is an afterlife.

[Dr B]

Scientfically speaking, should we not be discussing all reasonable and likely probabilities? This is not the same as all possibilities (which I would argue is logicially impossible).

[TjW]

Dear Hokulele,

At this time, all I have is a philosophical discussion.
One that discusses all possibilities.

Shall we now discuss the possibility of communication with non-human beings by leaving out a saucer of milk for the brownies?

[Senex]

My goal is not to be to good in any field, because that is not my position in this field, but to be a consultant. I do the one percent inspiration, and others make it happen. This is also another area that will help the economy as well.


It seems to me you have exceeded your goals already.

I'm certain our economy will reap many financial benefits from your visions of OBE robots. I need to find a job where I make the visions and have minions that do the actual work.

I believe that most movies try to teach you something, and if you have watched as many movies as I have, you start to connect the dots, and that is where my this topic could begin.

Yes, this topic could have begun in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

Best of luck in making this work and proving to these skeptical naysayers that OBE's can and will be harnessed for the financial benefit of our economy.Where do I write my check?

[Tim4848]

Scientfically speaking, should we not be discussing all reasonable and likely probabilities? This is not the same as all possibilities (which I would argue is logicially impossible).

I agree with you Dr B on that.

[Tim4848]

Shall we now discuss the possibility of communication with non-human beings by leaving out a saucer of milk for the brownies?

you could, but it would be a waste of time.

[TjW]

you could, but it would be a waste of time.

Why, do you have evidence that brownies don't exist?
My grandmother told me about brownies. Are you calling my grandmother a liar?

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim4848, Please provide proof of the afterlife. Once provided, please then pitch your idea.

[Tim4848]

Tim4848, Please provide proof of the afterlife. Once provided, please then pitch your idea.

What about the idea of communicating with future afterlife people that you do not like?

[Miss Anthrope]

What about the idea of communicating with future afterlife people that you do not like?


Um, the post didn't mention liking or disliking the idea.

Step One: Prove there is an afterlife.
Step Two: Prove that you can communicate with dead people.
Step Three: Prove you can communicate with dead people from the future.

Proof = evidence.

[my_wan]

Um, the post didn't mention liking or disliking the idea.

Step One: Prove there is an afterlife.
Step Two: Prove that you can communicate with dead people.
Step Three: Prove you can communicate with dead people from the future.

Proof = evidence.
A linguistic matter when talking with Tim. "Future afterlife people" refers to people are now alive but he wants set up the experiment, including training the live person, then waiting on them to die for the test. :boxedin:

[Tim4848]

A linguistic matter when talking with Tim. "Future afterlife people" refers to people are now alive but he wants set up the experiment, including training the live person, then waiting on them to die for the test. :boxedin:

Thank you my wan

[Cuddles]

Um, the post didn't mention liking or disliking the idea.

Step One: Prove there is an afterlife.
Step Two: Prove that you can communicate with dead people.
Step Three: Prove you can communicate with dead people from the future.

Proof = evidence.

You forgot:

Step Zero: Prove that you can communicate with live people.

This seems to be where Tim is stuck at the moment.

[Little 10 Toes]

What about the idea of communicating with future afterlife people that you do not like?
Ok, for the third time, I will explain.

You think that dead people can/will communicate with living people with BrainGate. From wikipedia: "The device was designed to help those who have lost control of their limbs, or other bodily functions, such as patients with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) or spinal cord injury. The computer chip, which is implanted into the brain, monitors brain activity in the patient and converts the intention of the user into computer commands."

The problem in your theory is that you believe that dead people can communicate with living people, that dead people exist, and that there is an afterlife.

In addition you want living people to have the computer chip installed in their skulls. Not so, you say? Please re-read your messages. IIRC you want people to use this device, and to use it you need the chip in your brain.

By the way, if I'm dead, how can I use a chip that is in my body that I am now not a part of?

So, please use baby steps. Prove that there is an afterlife first, then we'll have more meaningful posts.

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim4848, please tell us, what is your first language?

[Tim4848]

Tim4848, you are not discussing all possibilities. We have suggested that there is no afterlife. Without re-reading the entire thread at this time, you really haven't provided proof that there is an afterlife.

Let me use this example:

BrainGate was just a possibility, now it is a reality.

[Tim4848]

You forgot:

Step Zero: Prove that you can communicate with live people.

This seems to be where Tim is stuck at the moment.

BrainGate was just an idea, how did they get their funding. There is no way that they could of known a head of time that their idea would work.

I wonder how they would of sold that to you here on this site?

[Tim4848]

Ok, for the third time, I will explain.

You think that dead people can/will communicate with living people with BrainGate. From wikipedia: "The device was designed to help those who have lost control of their limbs, or other bodily functions, such as patients with amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS) or spinal cord injury. The computer chip, which is implanted into the brain, monitors brain activity in the patient and converts the intention of the user into computer commands."

The problem in your theory is that you believe that dead people can communicate with living people, that dead people exist, and that there is an afterlife.

In addition you want living people to have the computer chip installed in their skulls. Not so, you say? Please re-read your messages. IIRC you want people to use this device, and to use it you need the chip in your brain.

By the way, if I'm dead, how can I use a chip that is in my body that I am now not a part of?

So, please use baby steps. Prove that there is an afterlife first, then we'll have more meaningful posts.

You still don't get it, and I am sorry that I don't explain it well enough.

Science shows it is possible, and our lack of communication on the topic shows that we still have a long way to go.

[Tim4848]

Tim4848, please tell us, what is your first language?

phone scripts and mind mapping

"Thank you for choosing The Depatment of Positive Out of Body possiilities, this is Tim, how may I help you?"

"What can I do to make you happy?"

[Tim4848]

Um, the post didn't mention liking or disliking the idea.

Step One: Prove there is an afterlife.

Give me patients and the tools, and I will get you results!

Step Two: Prove that you can communicate with dead people.

I can prove it the same way that brainGate could prove they could communicate with thought. Patients and tools.



Step Three: Prove you can communicate with dead people from the future.

Proof = evidence.

BrainGate is your evidence, this is the wave of the future. Some people behave as they know everything about everything, but in this field it is newer than new. Just in the short time, since I have been talking about my idea on this site, Cyberketics, the company that started BrainGate, has applied for even more patents in this field.

What do we know, and what don't we know about this topic?

As far as I can see, not a lot. You would be hard pressed to even be able to find people on this site that would agree on what they think happens to them after they die.

Quick review:

Humans have thoughts

out of body people have thoughts

BrainGate is the starting point, and their patients. ( Note: I have always used BrainGate as the machine of choice, not that a different machine might work just as well for now, but it still would have to come down to the same type of training that companies like BrainGate uses now.

People that are focused on the possibility in the afterlife, if there is such a thing.

I can not say that it is possible in the afterlife, because I have never been there, but with everything being equal in the Murphy Law of things, just by some wild chance, if that turns out to be our best way of approaching it, if all else fails, and some out of body afterlife figures out a way from that side of reality, and gets a message through back to us here on Earth.

I don't know a lot about what every out of body afterlife is thinking about today, if they are there; but from all the Gilligan Island shows I watched as a child, you can't get off a deserted island, if you don't get some help from somebody. I would think that would hold true for afterlife as well.

If we could just agree on this possibility

Communicating with future out of body afterlife people is possible.

[my_wan]

BrainGate was just an idea, how did they get their funding. There is no way that they could of known a head of time that their idea would work.

I wonder how they would of sold that to you here on this site?

Oh yes. Sold many many years ago. Braingate wasn't first. The fact that surgery is required in order to use it has slowed development a bit.

[Cuddles]

Quick review:

Humans have thoughts

I know some philosophical types who would disagree, but generally, yes/

out of body people have thoughts

Forget thoughts, first you have to show that "out of body people" exist. You have not done so so far.

BrainGate is the starting point, and their patients.

BrainGate has absolutely nothing to do with "out of body" people, and even less to do with dead people. It is utterly irrelevant to your nonsense about the afterlife.

People that are focused on the possibility in the afterlife, if there is such a thing.

This sentence does not make sense.

I can not say that it is possible in the afterlife, because I have never been there, but with everything being equal in the Murphy Law of things, just by some wild chance, if that turns out to be our best way of approaching it, if all else fails, and some out of body afterlife figures out a way from that side of reality, and gets a message through back to us here on Earth.

Neither does this.

I don't know a lot about what every out of body afterlife is thinking about today, if they are there; but from all the Gilligan Island shows I watched as a child, you can't get off a deserted island, if you don't get some help from somebody. I would think that would hold true for afterlife as well.

Or this.

If we could just agree on this possibility

Communicating with future out of body afterlife people is possible.

And this really doesn't follow from anything you have said. To repeat what you have been told several times since you have been here:

1) You have no evidence that "out of body people" exist.
2) You have no evidence that an afterlife exists.
3) If they do, you have no evidence that they can communicate with living people.
4) It still isn't clear what you mean by "future out of body people". If you mean dead people from the future then you have to show that time travel is possible. If you mean people who will be dead in the future then this is the most bizzare way of putting it that I have ever seen.
5) BrainGate has nothing to do with any of this.

[Little 10 Toes]

BrainGate is your evidence, this is the wave of the future. Some people behave as they know everything about everything, but in this field it is newer than new. Just in the short time, since I have been talking about my idea on this site, Cyberketics, the company that started BrainGate, has applied for even more patents in this field.

No. BrainGate is a device for living people. How is it evidence? I believe that "their field" is medical, not communications.

What do we know, and what don't we know about this topic?

As far as I can see, not a lot. You would be hard pressed to even be able to find people on this site that would agree on what they think happens to them after they die.
Exactly, because we have not shown proof. Like you have not shown proof. Again.


Quick review:

Humans have thoughts

out of body people have thoughts
STOP!!!!!! Prove that there are out of body experiances first.

BrainGate is the starting point, and their patients. ( Note: I have always used BrainGate as the machine of choice, not that a different machine might work just as well for now, but it still would have to come down to the same type of training that companies like BrainGate uses now.

People that are focused on the possibility in the afterlife, if there is such a thing.
STOP!!!!! Prove that there is an afterlife. Even you are raising doubts about your own ideas. Now you don't believe that there is an afterlife.

I can not say that it is possible in the afterlife, because I have never been there, but with everything being equal in the Murphy Law of things, just by some wild chance, if that turns out to be our best way of approaching it, if all else fails, and some out of body afterlife figures out a way from that side of reality, and gets a message through back to us here on Earth.

... cannot say it is possible.... never been there ... Murphy's Law ... wild chance... if that turns out ... if all else fails ... figures out a way ...

sounds like even you are sure about anything

I don't know a lot about what every out of body afterlife is thinking about today, if they are there; but from all the Gilligan Island shows I watched as a child, you can't get off a deserted island, if you don't get some help from somebody. I would think that would hold true for afterlife as well.

You watched a lot of movies, did you see Castaway? I didn't but it seems Tom Hanks got off the island.

If we could just agree on this possibility
We will if you can provide proof of the afterlife.

Communicating with future out of body afterlife people is possible.
Again, we need proof.

So that we can help you, what language do you speek?

[Fasto]

While I don't think Tim's idea could work, and I don't believe in the afterlife, isn't the skeptical attitude of "prove that there is an afterlife before you try to communicate with it" a bit counterproductive? If it *did* exist, surely communicating with it would be a way of proving its existence?
On the other hand, I guess it's that kind of thinking that makes weird people watch static on tv, trying to spot some kind of message.
(If that's a really stupid question -> don't kill me, I'm new to this!)

[Hokulele]

While I don't think Tim's idea could work, and I don't believe in the afterlife, isn't the skeptical attitude of "prove that there is an afterlife before you try to communicate with it" a bit counterproductive? If it *did* exist, surely communicating with it would be a way of proving its existence?
On the other hand, I guess it's that kind of thinking that makes weird people watch static on tv, trying to spot some kind of message.
(If that's a really stupid question -> don't kill me, I'm new to this!)


It is not a stupid question at all. However, the existence of an afterlife should be even plausible. The reasons Tim has given for its plausibility are far-fetched at best, so it would be a waste of time and money trying to communicate with them, especially using a tool designed to work on a living brain. Your "static on the tv" analogy is actually more appropriate than you may have realized. :)

Oh, and welcome to the forum!

[Tim4848]

While I don't think Tim's idea could work, and I don't believe in the afterlife, isn't the skeptical attitude of "prove that there is an afterlife before you try to communicate with it" a bit counterproductive? If it *did* exist, surely communicating with it would be a way of proving its existence?

I like the way Fasto thinks

On the other hand, I guess it's that kind of thinking that makes weird people watch static on tv, trying to spot some kind of message.
(If that's a really stupid question -> don't kill me, I'm new to this!)

I guess the bottom line is this, you can't ever forget about the possibility, as long as people like Edison believes it is possible.

I don't ever remember history saying all he did was stare in to a TV.

[Cuddles]

I don't ever remember history saying all he did was stare in to a TV.

I don't remember history saying he tried to talk to dead people from the future using a medical device designed to work on living people.

[Little 10 Toes]

I guess the bottom line is this, you can't ever forget about the possibility, as long as people like Edison believes it is possible.

I don't ever remember history saying all he did was stare in to a TV.
I don't remember Edison being alive when TV was invented.

[CLD]

While I don't think Tim's idea could work, and I don't believe in the afterlife, isn't the skeptical attitude of "prove that there is an afterlife before you try to communicate with it" a bit counterproductive? If it *did* exist, surely communicating with it would be a way of proving its existence?
On the other hand, I guess it's that kind of thinking that makes weird people watch static on tv, trying to spot some kind of message.
(If that's a really stupid question -> don't kill me, I'm new to this!)

I think what he's saying is a legit hypothesis drives research, not the other way around.

[Tim4848]

I think what he's saying is a legit hypothesis drives research, not the other way around.

Thank you CLD,

[my_wan]

While I don't think Tim's idea could work, and I don't believe in the afterlife, isn't the skeptical attitude of "prove that there is an afterlife before you try to communicate with it" a bit counterproductive? If it *did* exist, surely communicating with it would be a way of proving its existence?
On the other hand, I guess it's that kind of thinking that makes weird people watch static on tv, trying to spot some kind of message.
(If that's a really stupid question -> don't kill me, I'm new to this!)

Welcome Fasto,
The point that was made early on was that if his hypothesis was correct then BrainGate is not needed to speak with the dead. The BrainGate technology requires surgery and the sensors used is not very dissimilar to many millions of other sensors in everyday use. Personally if I was dead and thinking I would go mess with the SETI people. They are even systematically decoding their stuff so talking with them would be trivial if BrainGate worked.

[Tim4848]

So now that we know I need patients to make it work, where do we go from here?

Is this topic worth exploring or not, what do you think?


Thank you,
Tim

[Cuddles]

So now that we know I need patients to make it work, where do we go from here?

No, we have told you over and over again that you do not need patients. If your ideas about the afterlife are correct, BrainGate is utterly irrelevant. If your ideas are wrong then BrainGate is utterly irrelevant.

Is this topic worth exploring or not, what do you think?

Until you indicate that you have actually understood a single thing anyone else here has said, no.

[Tim4848]

No, we have told you over and over again that you do not need patients. If your ideas about the afterlife are correct, BrainGate is utterly irrelevant. If your ideas are wrong then BrainGate is utterly irrelevant.

Are you sure you are on the right topic?

When did you figure out what I need to make my idea work.


Until you indicate that you have actually understood a single thing anyone else here has said, no.

I understand that it is not in the best interest of some to want this to happen, for what ever reason that might be.

[Fasto]

Thanks for welcoming me to the forum, everyone!
:D

When did you figure out what I need to make my idea work.


Well, as I understand it, the Braingate machine picks up brain activity using an implant in the brain - it doesn't read thoughts.
Since out-of-body-people (by definition) wouldn't have a brain, they wouldn't be able to communicate with the machine - or at least they wouldn't be any more likely to communicate with that particular machine than they would be to switch lights on and off, put funny messages on our tv screens and write poetry on the displays of our microwave ovens. Which they don't.

[Cuddles]

Well, as I understand it, the Braingate machine picks up brain activity using an implant in the brain - it doesn't read thoughts.
Since out-of-body-people (by definition) wouldn't have a brain, they wouldn't be able to communicate with the machine - or at least they wouldn't be any more likely to communicate with that particular machine than they would be to switch lights on and off, put funny messages on our tv screens and write poetry on the displays of our microwave ovens. Which they don't.

Exactly. Tim, please actually read this and explain to us what you think is says. Your entire fantasy is based on BrainGate being something comletely different from what it actually is. Whether dead people can talk to us or not, BrainGate is not relevant.

[777]

Tim I am afraid you may have to debunk other groups before we are convinced. If you believe you are right, how do you deal with the claim that the use of the machine focuses on the lack of ability and therefore attract it?

[Little 10 Toes]

I understand that it is not in the best interest of some to want this to happen, for what ever reason that might be.
I don't think that you know what understand means. I would love for what you hope and wish for is true. However you still don't understand the reasons why it won't happen.

Please come back to the forum when you know more English, since you have not answered my question of what your primary language is.

[Tim4848]

Thanks for welcoming me to the forum, everyone!
:D



Well, as I understand it, the Braingate machine picks up brain activity using an implant in the brain - it doesn't read thoughts.

Out of body people have thought activity, and it is on the surface of everything so it does not need to be an in plant.


Since out-of-body-people (by definition) wouldn't have a brain, they wouldn't be able to communicate with the machine - or at least they wouldn't be any more likely to communicate with that particular machine than they would be to switch lights on and off, put funny messages on our TV screens and write poetry on the displays of our microwave ovens. Which they don't.

Except for the microwave thing, BrainGate patients are able to put funny messages on a monitor or turn on light a light switch. Out of body people could do this as well if given the chance.

The power they hold, is only as good as what they have to work with, us!

[Tim4848]

Tim I am afraid you may have to debunk other groups before we are convinced. If you believe you are right, how do you deal with the claim that the use of the machine focuses on the lack of ability and therefore attract it?

Dear 777, please explain this differently, I don't understand.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

I don't think that you know what understand means. I would love for what you hope and wish for is true. However you still don't understand the reasons why it won't happen.

Please come back to the forum when you know more English, since you have not answered my question of what your primary language is.

Dear little 10 Toes,

This topic has nothing to do with any of my abilities other than my experience with it, and my insight on what direction we should go.

I do not have the experience of speaking Chinese either, but that does not stop them from wanting to know more about this topic.

Something to think about:

Try and think what it would feel like to be an out of body afterlife person, and what type of options you would really have. If your first thought is that they have some type of super powers, please try again.

[777]

I'm not really sure. I am just refering to a weight loss "method" a secreteer/toid friend of mine told me. He told me to not be on diets because that focuses on the need to get thin, and I would only get more need and thus inability. We had a nice little chat and we decided to avoid that subject in the future, but if you support your tool, you would have to refute the following argument:

Use of this tool presupposes the inability of mind, thus focusing on it, and thus only getting more of inability.

I just think that people, if they want to be nonskeptic, should have a unilateral position. Does astronomy show the destiny, or do you shape your destiny with your thoughts (I am referring to the extreme version, not Kriegggard?

[Little 10 Toes]

Dear little 10 Toes,

This topic has nothing to do with any of my abilities other than my experience with it, and my insight on what direction we should go.
... and so far we have no proof that you have any abilities other than ignorance of facts. We have continued to ask you provide proof. The direction that you need to go is to the map store. Use a reference point, then go in a direction.


I do not have the experience of speaking Chinese either, but that does not stop them from wanting to know more about this topic.
But you can learn from someone who can speak Chinese. Who is them? Are "them" the same "them" that don't want you to talk?


Something to think about:

Try and think what it would feel like to be an out of body afterlife person, and what type of options you would really have. If your first thought is that they have some type of super powers, please try again.
Something to think about: provide proof. How can one be both an out of body person and an afterlife person. Provide proof that there is an afterlife. Provide proof that out of body experiances are real.

Why shouldn't they have superpowers? Do you have proof that they don't?

So here are my questions: Do you have *ANY* proof of an after life? Do you have *ANY* proof of OBE being real? Also, what is your native language?

If you answer yes to the first two questions, please show us the proof.

So far you have only shown to people that you appear to be a sad little man.

[Tim4848]

[QUOTE=777;2856332]I'm not really sure. I am just referring to a weight loss "method" a secreteer/toid friend of mine told me. He told me to not be on diets because that focuses on the need to get thin, and I would only get more need and thus inability. We had a nice little chat and we decided to avoid that subject in the future, but if you support your tool, you would have to refute the following argument:

I believe a lot of things in your mind comes down to pain or pleasure.

Example:

You can say you are going on a diet, but all your mind hears is die, and your mind is going to want to take you out of pain and in to pleasure, so that is why I think very few do good with diets. Now on the other hand, if you say to your self that you are going to eat healthy, then you stand a better chance, because your mind sees that as a pleasure, and does not continue to focus on it with every meal. Just a thought.


Use of this tool presupposes the inability of mind, thus focusing on it, and thus only getting more of inability.

I just think that people, if they want to be nonskeptic, should have a unilateral position.

I believe a lot of them do. I remember what my wife's mother use to say before she past away, "At least you got a husband".


Does astronomy show the destiny,


Only if we can at least go the speed of light, and have the ability to do it over a long period of time. The only way that can happen is if we are energy, like that of an out of body afterlife. I also feel there is a price for that as well,

Example:

Let's say that out of body after life Einstein got bored of floating around on Earth and decided to go out into outer space and check out some of his theories, and then when he came back to Earth, he would find how time has changed. Now Einstein would surely miss curtain people in his life grow as humans, but in another way, he might be back in time to see this idea play out. It would be a shame not to at least have the best machine available for him at that time.

or do you shape your destiny with your thoughts (I am referring to the extreme version, not Kriegggard?


I have not studied Kniegggard yet, but I would think your inner thoughts do play a big role in it, ex specially when you get past time bandit emotions, such as the ego.

You ask some good question 777, glad to hear from you on so many different levels. It's good to think about different things with out having to be judged on every little detail like grammar and spelling.

I love to wonder as well, it is fun to go into the right brain and live above your own thermostat. To bend the flag pole of your mind, with out letting the flag touch the ground.

Here are some questions I asked myself, and here is my best answer to those questions at this time, and anybody else is free to answer them too if they would like.

- Are we just like animals to some higher power that watch us like an ant farm?

"If we are and they don't want us to think that way, then you will never get this e-mail."

I once asked my self this question.

- Where is the zipper to perfection on earth?

"The invisible force"

Thank you for listening to my thoughts

[Tim4848]

... and so far we have no proof that you have any abilities other than ignorance of facts. We have continued to ask you provide proof. The direction that you need to go is to the map store. Use a reference point, then go in a direction.

But you can learn from someone who can speak Chinese. Who is them? Are "them" the same "them" that don't want you to talk?


Something to think about: provide proof. How can one be both an out of body person and an afterlife person. Provide proof that there is an afterlife. Provide proof that out of body experiences are real.

Why shouldn't they have superpowers? Do you have proof that they don't?

So here are my questions: Do you have *ANY* proof of an after life? Do you have *ANY* proof of OBE being real? Also, what is your native language?

If you answer yes to the first two questions, please show us the proof.

So far you have only shown to people that you appear to be a sad little man.

To save time with this topic, please take the time to go back and read this topic better, most of the answers you are trying to find is there, and when I think you did your home work correctly, I will be glad to answer the rest.

Please keep this in mind, Think of this topic as a job, and we are trying to do this job with no pay, and I am part of that team.

If you want to ask a good question, please go right a head, but if you do not like working here for free, or it feels like to much work, or you have second doubts, or you do not respect me, then please leave, this is not where you need to be at this time.

This has to be a good deal for both of us, unless you have something to hide?

I do not know who left, and made you the boss, but I do not work for that type of management, that puts down their employees. That type of thinking is not healthy for a tough topic to begin with, bUT I will be glad to answer your one question now.

"I am six feet tall and I am so excited, I just can't hide it."

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

In a way, all sorts of people can agree as to what constitutes extraordinary topics. These can include the ever-titillating and speculative areas of out-of-body-experiences, extrasensory perception, telepathy, reincarnation, higher and subtler bodies and worlds or realms, ghosts of the dead, mystical experiences of unity with God, the Absolute or the Divine Self, the Universe Being an Atom on a vaster macrocosmic scale (quantum recursion) or the Cell being an Omniverse on a deeper microcosmic scale (cellular recursion); vast and unknown, even dark and dangerous, quasi-Gods as in the H.P. Lovecraft literature or the Starry Wisdom tradition stretching back to ancient Sumeria. Then there are David Icke’s Fourth Dimensional Reptilians who control the world’s criminally insane political leaders of America, Britain and Israel. All of these are indeed extraordinary fields of current human interest, yet the “interest” in all of them remains pompous, dogmatic, mediocre, superficial and usually fleeting. Again and again, the Extraordinary is turned into the Ordinary through lack of Extraordinary Inquiry!

http://www.neosocrates.org/Articles/ExtraordinaryInquiryIntoTheExtraordinary.htm

Even if you don't have the time to extraordinary inquiry into my idea right now,

Please fill free to answer any of these questions below if you are interested.

Do you think this topic should be explored more or not and why?

Do you like the idea of a back up plan or not and why?

What do you think about me being one of the patient, and offering my time now and later?

If they ever figure out a way in the future, where they can train you on BrainGate, with out having to do any type of surgery on you.
Would you be interested?

[Little 10 Toes]

To save time with this topic, please take the time to go back and read this topic better, most of the answers you are trying to find is there, and when I think you did your home work correctly, I will be glad to answer the rest.

Oh, so when I ask basic questions about proving there is an afterlife or ask questions about your thought process, you can say, "I think you need to understand me more." I like how you can avoid things there. How can we understand you if you won't answer my questions?


Please keep this in mind, Think of this topic as a job, and we are trying to do this job with no pay, and I am part of that team.
If you are part of the team, shouldn't you share information with the rest of the team? Wait, here on this thread, you are the only one on your team. From what I can tell, you are the only one with the belief that the dead can contact us using BrainGate. You are working on this topic without pay. Since you stated that you were a "Vice President for a Financial company" why don't you just use your own money? That way you can pick your own team members.


If you want to ask a good question, please go right a head, but if you do not like working here for free, or it feels like to much work, or you have second doubts, or you do not respect me, then please leave, this is not where you need to be at this time. I am asking good questions. I do not work for you. YOU posted here. YOU wanted opinions. YOU are getting my input. I do not have second doubts that you cannot understand something as simple as proof. How can you tell whether or not that now is a good time for me to be here?


This has to be a good deal for both of us, unless you have something to hide? I have NOTHING to hide concerning this thread. Why are you so paranoid?


I do not know who left, and made you the boss, but I do not work for that type of management, that puts down their employees. That type of thinking is not healthy for a tough topic to begin with, bUT I will be glad to answer your one question now. I asked you three questions. Why are you skipping the two questions about proof?

"I am six feet tall and I am so excited, I just can't hide it."
Never asked for a quote, I asked what language you speak. When words come out of your mouth, what sounds do they make? Maybe your software translator can answer you that.

Again, can you:

Provide proof that there is life after death?
Provide proof that the dead can communicate with us?

[Little 10 Toes]

To whom it may concern,
[boring filler]

[plug for website that I didn't visit]


Do you think this topic should be explored more or not and why?
No, because you have not provided proof of the afterlife.

Do you like the idea of a back up plan or not and why?
When you have proven that there is an afterlife I will answer this question.

What do you think about me being one of the patient, and offering my time now and later?I could take the smartalec path and mention that you should be someone's patient, but from my understanding of the BrainGate from Wikipedia, generally speaking, you must have some type of spinal cord injury. You have not mentioned you have that type of injury.

If they ever figure out a way in the future, where they can train you on BrainGate, with out having to do any type of surgery on you.
Would you be interested? It would be cool to have something read my thoughts, but I think that it would be impractial to have a device like that. How would it find the difference between me wanting to have the lights turned off versus me thinking about turning off the lights? If you want to talk only about the BrainGate being used by and for living people I have no problem talking about that.

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

Please take the time to check this out this information with an open mind.

The clues are in the details.


We are driven by that evidence to infer that something like a "consciousness field" exists, and that intentions or emotional states which structure the field are conveyed as information that is absorbed into the distribution of output values of labile physical systems. The output of the REG differs from what would be expected without the influence of consciousness.

How the instrument works physically is straightforward; how the connection with consciousness occurs is not.

The measurement relies on small changes in the behavior of an electronic device designed to produce a random output. A random event generator, or REG, as used for the GCP data collection, is essentially a high-speed electronic coin flipper. Instead of heads and tails, the REG produces + or - pulses relative to a mean value, and these pulses are converted into 1's and 0's, the bits that are the language of computers.


http://noosphere.princeton.edu/measurement.html

Measuring data for this topic is everywhere, it is just a matter of taking the time to look for it.

Regardless what type of measuring tool we decide to use, it will still come down to having a patient.

If Lisa Williams is the real thing, then she would be a great addition to our team, if she is interested.

I can see it now, our patient goes into the afterlife, and Lisa Williams interacts with them all the way to our modified machine. Interacting with each other until they find the best sensor to try.



Sarasota Medical Hypnosis Motivator FileThe mind actually works backwards. Once the goal is seen "as achieved" ... way to do this is to practice Awareness Tools that allow us to observe & let go. ...
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The more I see it, the easier it gets.

Example:

We have one on the inside that is trained on what we want them to try and do now and later . Others on the outside measuring with every bell and whistle we can find, and one in the middle that helps to make it happen with interaction and positive confidence.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

That would be true if we look at everything from one point of view.

Do you feel she is playing us?

[Normal Dude]

I haven't read all of this thread..

Tim, have you contacted the makers of Braingate and told them your idea? If so, what was there response? And if not, do you intend to?"

[Tim4848]

I haven't read all of this thread..

Tim, have you contacted the makers of Braingate and told them your idea? If so, what was there response? And if not, do you intend to?"

Sounds like a good idea

[Loss Leader]

What do you think about me being one of the patient, and offering my time now and later?


To the extent that you are volunteering to have useless, radical and exceptionally dangerous brain surgery, I am all for it.

[Little 10 Toes]

Funny you mention that GCP. I quickly read the info. Has NOTHING to do with dead people.

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

I think a meeting where we can talk about this possibility is a great idea.

Who do you think should be there?

I think Dr. John Donoghue of Cyberkinrtics, and Lisa Williams.

What show should it be on?

Nancy Grace, Oprah, sixty minutes, Dr. Phil, Larry King, or Art Bell?

I love to synergize at meetings,

Tim

[Skeptic Guy]

Except for the microwave thing, BrainGate patients are able to put funny messages on a monitor or turn on light a light switch. Out of body people could do this as well if given the chance.

The power they hold, is only as good as what they have to work with, us!

You have no evidence, whatsoever, of this. You need to back way up and provide evidence that there is anything such as "Out of Body People" or anything. And for pete's sake, if they are having an OBE, what more chance can they be given?

[wollery]

People, asking Tim to provide evidence of anything, or expecting him to understand what you are saying is like asking a cat to play Beethoven's 5th symphony, or expecting it to understand General Relativity. These things are simply so far beyond his abilities that it isn't even funny.

[Hokulele]

What show should it be on?

Nancy Grace, Oprah, sixty minutes, Dr. Phil, Larry King, or Art Bell?


I definitely think you should submit the show idea to 60 Minutes.

* snicker *

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

I asked my wife to set up the meeting.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

I definitely think you should submit the show idea to 60 Minutes.

* snicker *

Thank you Hokulele,

Tim

[Fasto]

Well, let us know when they refused to let you go on the show.

[Cuddles]

I think a meeting where we can talk about this possibility is a great idea.

Who do you think should be there?

I don't think you should be there.

[Tim4848]

I don't think you should be there.

Why do you feel that way?

[Tim4848]

Well, let us know when they refused to let you go on the show.

Why would they do that?

[Cuddles]

Why do you feel that way?

Because you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Seriously, you've spent all this time ignoring everything we have been saying, but you haven't even bothered asking the makers of BrainGate if anything you say is remotely based in reality. Why would anyone want to have any kind of serious discussion with you when you don't even understand what the device your talking about does or how it does it?

[Tim4848]

Because you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I personally do not, but my inner thoughts are bored of waiting for others to play catch up.

Seriously, you've spent all this time ignoring everything we have been saying,

What have you been trying to say?

but you haven't even bothered asking the makers of BrainGate if anything you say is remotely based in reality.

Timing is everything

Why would anyone want to have any kind of serious discussion with you when you don't even understand what the device your talking about does or how it does it?

This topic is based on going out side the box in the right brain, this is not a place where you have serious discussion, this is a place where you see how it will play out for years to come, then you work your way back, exploring every possibility along the way. This is how you make new discoveries in every field. The quality and value you create while in such a state, is second to none.

It all comes down to:

- grow or control

- Pain or pleasure

-Right direction, wrong direction

What type of Serious conversation would you like in the right brain?

[Fasto]

At first, I thought he'd simply misunderstood what Braingate does, but now that he wants to get a co-founder of Cyberkinetics and a (fake) tv medium involved, this is beginning to remind me of that MDC-applicant who wanted to get the Secretary of State involved with his lotto number predictions...

[Loss Leader]

this is a place where you see how it will play out for years to come, then you work your way back, exploring every possibility along the way.



What do you call the place where you repeat yourself for thirteen pages while absorbing nothing?

[Tim4848]

What do you call the place where you repeat yourself for thirteen pages while absorbing nothing?

Time will tell

[Tim4848]

What do you call the place where you repeat yourself for thirteen pages while absorbing nothing?

People who don't get, but you have the patients to keep trying

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

Clues have to be measured, but the problem is that different clues come from different realities, and therefore clues of the same size can actually have different sizes, depending on which reality you're measuring them in.

Now that we know that clues have to be measured, how do you think I should proceed?

Clues are electrical thoughts made by future out-of-body people, and using BrainGate, we will be able to measure these electrical thoughts.

I suggest that we ask Lisa Williams to contact out-of-body people and ask them to give us the exact size of their clues.
We should also train people while they are still alive, so when they exist as out-of-body people they will know what kinds of clues to give.

All of this was thought out by my right brain.

My wife is on the phone.

Thank you.

You have a future in right brain thinking

[CLD]

Time will tell

Haste makes waste

[Miss Anthrope]

People who don't get, but you have the patients to keep trying

What?

[Little 10 Toes]

So Tim4848, when are you going on tv?

[Tim4848]

It's funny you ask that question Little 10 Toes,


I was just thinking about Larry King,

I heard he ask good questions.

[Little 10 Toes]

Please keep us informed of what happens. BTW: what is the status of asking Lisa to be on your team and have the makers of BrainGate responded to you?

[Tim4848]

Right now I am doing some research on Care 2. Have you heard anything about them?

[CLD]

Tim, I think you need to check "Ultimate far OBE Journeys" (http://hometown.aol.com/hnishigaki/) out for insights about "poor abdomen and buttocks or bad complexion or bad bowel movement." Also the OBE Psiball Dream Warrior Club (http://hometown.aol.com/nishigaki2/index.htm)

[Little 10 Toes]

[skipping over the first paragraph]

You are confusing OBE and death.

[Cuddles]

This is the same type of experiment we are always talking about doing with out of body people. The one were they are suppose to float up by the ceiling and see something in a place were no one else can see.

You mean the ones that have been done and found that people aren't actually leaving their bodies?:rolleyes:

[Tim4848]

[skipping over the first paragraph]

You are confusing OBE and death.

There is no confusion, they go hand in hand, just like everything. They see with light just as we see with light. As good as our eyes, they don't create light.

Lisa Williams describes afterlife as it was when I was in my out of body, and by taking the fact that both of these type of experiences as been going on for as far back as we can remember, and the fact that they are both based off constance principles.

Science has already proved that there is energy all around us that we can not see, but Lisa Williams can feel it. If she can measure it, we should be able to do the same, with the help of the patient a head of time.

[Tim4848]

I think I can venture a guess that the answer is no, given Cuddles is a skeptic. Like most, I would assume she weighs evidence rather than falling for every unfounded hypothesis people throw out there.

I have provided the evidence with different links to the point, that I am not allowed to do it anymore, for one reason or another.

a reporter goes out and finds a story where ever it might be and tells it, but for some reason I am limited, I have red tape all around me.

I go out and find a link that can explain it better than I can and I get exciting new e-mails explaining how I am not following the rules correctly.

If you want this idea as you say you do, then help work to make it happen, don't question it, no more than you question anything else that goes on i nature, just go with it, and see where it might take us.

Thank you for listening to my thoughts

[Tim4848]

I must be right, because it sure did get quiet in here fast.

[Ysidro]

I must be right, because it sure did get quiet in here fast.

Yeah. That's it. You won. Congrats! \o/

[Little 10 Toes]

No, it got quiet because you were going to go away. We got tired of you ignoring our requests for proof.

[Tim4848]

I need a meeting with experts who can think outside the box

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,


What do you feel is the difference between the dead and out of body?

[Miss Anthrope]

This thread has taken quite a derail. I can see the future, and I think it includes a split. Please try to keep on topic. Tim, feel free to start another thread if it covers other phenomena you wish to discuss.

[Miss Anthrope]

I meant what I said before. All off topic posts have been trimmed from the thread and sent to AAH, and the Lisa Williams derail has been split to it's own thread.

For Tim: This thread was started with the specific topic of using Braingate to talk with "future afterlife people". It is not your personal thread to discuss any issue tangentally related to OBE's and NDE's. Please stick to the topic, and start new threads for discussions outside the main subject of this particular thread.

Everyone, keep to the topic, watch the rule 12's. I will be taking further mod action on any posts (including "What topic?") that ignore this warning.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,


As Jim Nabors would say" Back home again in Indiana",

Question from 10 Little Toes,

You just said that you would give the people the credit, but now you'll give nature and the out of body afterlife the credit?

If we make this idea a possibility, there will be plenty of credit to give out to everybody and everything that makes up this great world we are on.

Why, who do you think should get the credit?

[Tim4848]

Another learning curve question from 10 Little Toes.

What is it that you "can really do" when you "get to the other side" that you can't do here living?


Right now all you can do is float around and think from either your right brain, your left brain or both.

Being in an out of body state is a lot like getting lost behind curtain mirrors, when they are turned a curtain position, even though you can not see your self on the mirrors, and there is nobody around to talk about it, you know that you are there. In life we can do a lot of things with all kind of things, just like making our self disappear with mirrors, but in the out of body energy afterlife, it is nothing more than the fact that we have not got it to that point, now some might say, well people have been dying for years, why have they not tried and communicate with us all that time? They prob ally have tried, and they prob ally still try, but we are not putting our self in the best position to listen.
Out of body afterlife do not have a lot to work with. The only thing that they have that is of any value, when trying to communicate with us, is their thoughts, something that we now know how to measure.

Sure it sounds so out in right field, but I have been there and science confirms that the experience I have had is real. they just can't prove I left my body, but I was there and I know I did.

In an out of body state, you feel no pain, but I worry about the mental state. Unless you are an introvert like me. I guess the best way is to ask your self, if you foun your self in this type of situation, how would you truly handle your self, would you take it for what you have, or would you freak out so bad, that your mind that has always taken you out of pain and into pleasure, have to step in, and put you back into some type of dream state, becuse real life id not play out the ay you thought it would, and your options hae gotten a lot shorter, beause as a country we decided we knew where all the islands of the worlds are, and we give up on you, just to leave you out there longer than we ever did Gilligan, from Gilligan's Island.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

I would think that some people would have a hard time with that, and that is why I feel this would be a good back up plan.

In case you still don't understand what you have to work with, I will try and explain it this way.

You have vision, and your normal thoughts, nothing else!


Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

Another learning curve question from 10 Little Toes.
So far you haven't provided anything for me to learn yet, but continue please..

Right now all you can do is float around and think from either your right brain, your left brain or both.No, I breathe, live, and think.


Being in an out of body state is a lot like getting lost behind curtain mirrors, when they are turned a curtain position, even though you can not see your self on the mirrors, and there is nobody around to talk about it, you know that you are there. In life we can do a lot of things with all kind of things, just like making our self disappear with mirrors, but in the out of body energy afterlife, it is nothing more than the fact that we have not got it to that point, now some might say, well people have been dying for years, why have they not tried and communicate with us all that time? They prob ally have tried, and they prob ally still try, but we are not putting our self in the best position to listen.
Out of body afterlife do not have a lot to work with. The only thing that they have that is of any value, when trying to communicate with us, is their thoughts, something that we now know how to measure.Please proof any of what you just said.


Sure it sounds so out in right field, but I have been there and science confirms that the experience I have had is real. they just can't prove I left my body, but I was there and I know I did. Science confirms the experience, but they can't prove it. Well if it can't be proven, it must not have happened.

In an out of body state, you feel no pain, but I worry about the mental state. Unless you are an introvert like me. I guess the best way is to ask your self, if you foun your self in this type of situation, how would you truly handle your self, would you take it for what you have, or would you freak out so bad, that your mind that has always taken you out of pain and into pleasure, have to step in, and put you back into some type of dream state, becuse real life id not play out the ay you thought it would, and your options hae gotten a lot shorter, beause as a country we decided we knew where all the islands of the worlds are, and we give up on you, just to leave you out there longer than we ever did Gilligan, from Gilligan's Island.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

I would think that some people would have a hard time with that, and that is why I feel this would be a good back up plan.

In case you still don't understand what you have to work with, I will try and explain it this way.

You have vision, and your normal thoughts, nothing else!


Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim(translation, believe everything I say without proof)
Let me turn the tables on you Tim4848. You have done the exact same before, so I'll do it. Because you haven't proven there is an afterlife, I will take it as a fact that there is no afterlife.

Oh, and reguarding your prevoius post, once you have proven something, then we'll talk about who/what gets credit.

BTW: nice lack of responce to all my questions on the other thread. You had all Sunday to respond.

[Tim4848]

So far you haven't provided anything for me to learn yet, but continue please..

No, I breathe, live, and think.

Please proof any of what you just said.

Science confirms the experience, but they can't prove it. Well if it can't be pr oven, it must not have happened.
(translation, believe everything I say without proof)
Let me turn the tables on you Tim4848. You have done the exact same before, so I'll do it. Because you haven't proven there is an afterlife, I will take it as a fact that there is no afterlife.

Oh, and reguarding your prevoius post, once you have proven something, then we'll talk about who/what gets credit.

BTW: nice lack of responce to all my questions on the other thread. You had all Sunday to respond.

Dear 10 Little Toes, you are free to assume or believe what ever you like, and I am sorry that your book of questions was so long, that I would have to write a book to answer them all. My goal is to try and answer a few, let you or others give your input on those answers, then answer some more, but you never responded on Sunday to any of it, and I am trying to cut down on just placing reply after reply from just me.

You knew I would be attempting to answering those questions on that day just for you, the least you could of done was to be there to answer some of them back in a timely matter, but it seams your main agenda is just to try and make me look bad for your own personnel gain. I also stated that I would continue to answer more of your questions in the future, and I still plan on doing that, but it has to be a good deal for both of us.

Thank you,

Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim4848, in order to keep the two threads separate, I will edit and repost my last comments. Please just answer the things that I have brought up.

So far you haven't provided anything for me to learn yet, but continue please..

No, I breathe, live, and think.

Please proof any of what you just said.

Science confirms the experience, but they can't prove it. Well if it can't be proven, it must not have happened.

(translation, believe everything I say without proof)
Let me turn the tables on you Tim4848. You have done the exact same before, so I'll do it. Because you haven't proven there is an afterlife, I will take it as a fact that there is no afterlife.

Oh, and reguarding your prevoius post, once you have proven something, then we'll talk about who/what gets credit.

[Tim4848]

Tim4848, in order to keep the two threads separate, I will edit and repost my last comments. Please just answer the things that I have brought up.

If science can't prove it, it don't happen?

That is your argument?

I can't find a parking space close to the store, so it don't exist?

Please little 10 toes, that don't even add up on my toes.

Life is constant, in body or out, and it happens quicker than you can imagine and possibly up to the speed of light, if need be, but those question can be answered later, just as I suggested, by using patients now, for what we might be able to do later, because I honestly feel that I am a little more patient, I can find a parking spot a little bit closer and still respect the handicap section. What I need is support, because I honestly believe i people truly enjoy their cell phones, and Internet opportunities, then they would see the value in this possibility, if they look for their parking space while I am trying to find mine, now if you can explain to me why we should not always explore this possibility better, please feel free to tell me, because that is my number one question to you. What does it hurt to always focus and try different possibilities, until we are honestly sure, that those cars are stuck to the Earth, and we are never going to get those parking spaces.

This topic reminds me of this guy who walked up to this girl, as though he was holding her breast, and then he started moving both his hands as though he was turning two knobs, then somebody ask him what he was doing, and he said he was trying to tune in China, I am either a fool, a lucky visionary who sees more everyday when he his focused on it, or I get a lot of help from something bigger than my self, who honestly believe it is possible, and I am just an medium to that possibility, as I have claimed in the past.
You have to decide at some point, am I full of it, or you really don't know the half of it, and you are stuck in a comfort zone, that is as hard to break as it is to give up smoking.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

[Tim4848]

I have a passion for this topic, as I hope you have a passion for something in your life.

At no point as a child did I ever come out and say that this would be my mission in life. I have been picked for a reason, and I don't know why, except with my own thought experience that was not a dream, I know, because I was there. In court, you do not take hear say, you want witnesses, and I feel that I am one of those people.

My comfort zone naturally expects the worst, based on what data it has to work with at any given time. Life is off balance, and I believe at least 80 percent of Americans feel the same way.

We need to stop thinking stupid, as a General once said, and begin making better plans through out life.

When I look out a window, I see blue skies, and I thank everybody for that, and I start from there, and I think that is a good place to start at, what do you think?

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Dear 10 Little Toes, I will try and answer more of your questions Sunday again, so please watch for it, because I will continue only if other people respond to all my different post, I don't want any thread of mine too long, and I would prefer not to post one after the other is at all possible.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,


How many years do we have to keep watching Lisa Williams touch the people she touch, before we try my idea?

Science has agreed with me, that it is possible for a human to have an out of body experience, so I am not crazy because of that. Another person in the science field, saids that people who have out of body experience, could come back even smarter than they were before. I always claim that I do not have a big ego, and I surely don't when it comes to this topic, so when I say I am very smart, I say it any a different way, that I have never been explained.

I relate a picture to a thousand words on average, and everything I think about is in pictures.

Have you ever jogged behind a car trying to catch it, as it takes off going even faster, making you feel that you are not even moving, that can truly take some thing out of you, but if you take it the other direction, where we over explain, and you get bored and make it happen on your own, that is what I will try and do, explain it in so many different ways, that you get tired of waiting and figure it out correctly on your own.

My idea can work, because I know what we are capable of, when we put our mind to it.

This topic is an everyday thing, it is something you should think about everyday, because right now you have not been trained for this possibility yet, which means you do not have a back up plan.

Might not mean anything, but if it does, practice being an introvert, because you might need it.

Thank you for reading my thoughts again,

Tim

[Tim4848]

It is now Sunday again and I will begin to answer questions posted by Little 10 Toes, as soon as he lets me know he is still around.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Hello, my name is Tim Brewer, and thank you for reading my thoughts.

As you can see, from viewing this topic, that almost ten thousand people have done so, and that is just on this site. please feel Free to yahoo or goggle.

They say that half the people in Washington is spies, I don't know if that is true or not, you would think that they would be following this topic as well, and I did notice that Worlds News tonight took my topic off their site, now did they take it down because they don't like customers, and some might think it was because somebody was unhappy, but I got no complaint e-mails, so is it for home land security, do we not want people from around the world knowing what our Government already knows, or they would of cut me off, as well as stop me from advertising about it. If Lisa Williams can pick up on it, as I can, then the Government would have to already know as well, the math can play out in that way, with no problem, but if that is the case, we need to talk more about it, because it should be a good deal for all parties, and I would like to propose a plan for that, if I am right, so regardless why they pulled my thread, or lack of interest from any media outlet is very predictable, and that is fine with me. Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, as long as we are focused on it correctly, and making sure we place it correctly, as it interacts with everything around it.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

If science can't prove it, it didn't happen?

That is your argument?

I can't find a parking space close to the store, so it don't exist?

In a very simplistic answer, yes. You're original premise for this whole thread was about contacting dead people. I have asked for proof about dead people. You have not provided any but you still believe want volunteers for your idea.

Expanding upon your parking space example, you can't find a close spot. You want to build a parking garage to solve your parking problem. You assume that there will never be any other parking spots available, you don't take the time to think about if you can park farther down and walk a little bit to the store, or drive around until the closer spots open up. You want to skip any steps that examine if a structure is needed.


Please little 10 toes, that don't even add up on my toes.

Life is constant, in body or out, and it happens quicker than you can imagine and possibly up to the speed of light, if need be, but those question can be answered later, just as I suggested, by using patients now, for what we might be able to do later, because I honestly feel that I am a little more patient, I can find a parking spot a little bit closer and still respect the handicap section. What I need is support, because I honestly believe i people truly enjoy their cell phones, and Internet opportunities, then they would see the value in this possibility, if they look for their parking space while I am trying to find mine, now if you can explain to me why we should not always explore this possibility better, please feel free to tell me, because that is my number one question to you. What does it hurt to always focus and try different possibilities, until we are honestly sure, that those cars are stuck to the Earth, and we are never going to get those parking spaces. Please provide proof of life after death.


This topic reminds me of this guy who walked up to this girl, as though he was holding her breast, and then he started moving both his hands as though he was turning two knobs, then somebody ask him what he was doing, and he said he was trying to tune in China, I am either a fool, a lucky visionary who sees more everyday when he his focused on it, or I get a lot of help from something bigger than my self, who honestly believe it is possible, and I am just an medium to that possibility, as I have claimed in the past.
You have to decide at some point, am I full of it, or you really don't know the half of it, and you are stuck in a comfort zone, that is as hard to break as it is to give up smoking.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
TimNice story that has nothing to do with your topic.

Nest message:

I have a passion for this topic, as I hope you have a passion for something in your life.

At no point as a child did I ever come out and say that this would be my mission in life. I have been picked for a reason, and I don't know why, except with my own thought experience that was not a dream, I know, because I was there. In court, you do not take hear say, you want witnesses, and I feel that I am one of those people. Why do you think you have been picked? By whom? Who else was there?


My comfort zone naturally expects the worst, based on what data it has to work with at any given time. Life is off balance, and I believe at least 80 percent of Americans feel the same way. ... and I feel 90% of statistics are misused.

We need to stop thinking stupid, as a General once said, and begin making better plans through out life. Link/reference?

When I look out a window, I see blue skies, and I thank everybody for that, and I start from there, and I think that is a good place to start at, what do you think? So you want to start thinking about blue skys?

Thank you,
Tim

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Dear 10 Little Toes, I will try and answer more of your questions Sunday again, so please watch for it, because I will continue only if other people respond to all my different post, I don't want any thread of mine too long, and I would prefer not to post one after the other is at all possible.

Thank you,
TimSo you'll only answer if other people answer?

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Thank you for reading my thoughts,


How many years do we have to keep watching Lisa Williams touch the people she touch, before we try my idea?Prove she can talk to the dead. Don't use any of her tv shows.


Science has agreed with me, that it is possible for a human to have an out of body experience, so I am not crazy because of that.Please provide proof of that statement.


Another person in the science field, saids that people who have out of body experience, could come back even smarter than they were before. Which person? Link?


I always claim that I do not have a big ego, and I surely don't when it comes to this topic, so when I say I am very smart, I say it any a different way, that I have never been explained. What do you mean by "that I have never been explained"?


I relate a picture to a thousand words on average, and everything I think about is in pictures.

Have you ever jogged behind a car trying to catch it, as it takes off going even faster, making you feel that you are not even moving, that can truly take some thing out of you, but if you take it the other direction, where we over explain, and you get bored and make it happen on your own, that is what I will try and do, explain it in so many different ways, that you get tired of waiting and figure it out correctly on your own. I have never jogged behind a car to catch it. You have already bored me with your lack of evidence.


My idea can work, because I know what we are capable of, when we put our mind to it.Please provide proof of the underlying theories first.

This topic is an everyday thing, it is something you should think about everyday, because right now you have not been trained for this possibility yet, which means you do not have a back up plan.

Might not mean anything, but if it does, practice being an introvert, because you might need it.

Thank you for reading my thoughts again,

Tim
I do not think about this topic everyday. That destroys your paragraph.

Here Tim4848, I chalenge you to provide independent proof that there is an afterlife and that we humans will continue to live after our body has stopped working. Until that time, I call you a troll, trying desperately to get attention. I may occasionally drop by and post, but I will not actively participate in your topic until you provide proof.

BTW, This message was started before you went on your conspiracy theory tiraid. Also, you NEVER answered any of my questions.

[Tim4848]

I'm just glad you are still around, helps keep me in line.

Why do you think you have been picked? By whom? Who else was there?

A long time ago back in 2005, I was focused on an 8-ball shot, when I got this thought, that it was possible, and I needed to do more than John Denver did in his God movie.

At that time, I did not remember my out of body state experience, or anything to do with BrainGate, it just came to me, and I remember it, because I questioned the timing of it. If I was doing it, why would I do this?

Why would I think about that, while I was focused on something else that I enjoyed doing at the time?

I knew very little about that topic at that time, but I started having visions, that matched things I saw or read about the topic, just like I was being lead down this path.

Why was BrainGate a machine, that happened at the same time I started having these thoughts, and why would somebody as good as Lisa Williams come out of no where, right when I needed proof for my topic? Why can I go on and on about this topic until the day I die.

I do not starve for attention, anybody that knows me, knows that I am an introvert, I like my time alone. I have stressed at time that I want to be able to explain it better, and I find that to be the main reason I am here, because I know you lack the ability to explain why It should not happen, other than attack me personal, because you can not touch the topic.

I speak about it, you want me to measure it, I speak about it, you want evidence, I give evidence, and you dismiss it, and then act as though I am wasting your time.

Let's take some time and look at some of the challenges that you worry about.

Prove out of body afterlife = Lisa Williams explains where they are at, the same location that I explained where I was at, and of this time, she has her second season, not knowing anything about me, and doing very good at explaining things that can help me with evidence, like keeping the clutter.

Communicating with out of body afterlife, that Tim and Lisa believes is there.

We now can communicate with thought, by taking our sensor to this energy, just like you posting on this site, and then taking that math and figuring the best way to use it, and if this line sounds complicated, that is because science in general can pretty much create any type of math, if it has an example to follow, and to play out my theories are really pretty simple, so don't let anybody fool you when it comes to that.

And then you have to look at the cost versus the return on money, and the private sector sees a field that does not have any type of wage issues at this time, and the over head is low, once the first machine is put in place.

The only thing that stops me at this time is patients, and access to this type of technology.

It is a fact, that my body takes me out of pain and into pleasure, so while I am getting older, my inner thoughts don't worry about these changes, I do by nature, and to think that my ego self really believes it knows how my out of body afterlife experience could play out, is more than anybody should ever need to know, but I know it, and able to do that from things that has been placed in my field of experiences, and could not be learned anywhere else.

Being able to do it, has already been there, but I will be willing to bet, that Lisa Williams don't know about Brain Gate, and if she is explained correctly about this possibility, would welcome the opportunity, to have the first or last word about this possibility, and I would think it would be in our best interest, to let Lisa Williams decide the fate of this topic, because she has just as much to gain or win, if she focuses on this topic.

Please allow her input on this natural back up plan, and see what she has to say.

My inner thoughts take me out of pain, and into pleasure because it is a fact.

I am an energy, from the inside out, and the only time I was really in harms way, my thoughts took me out of my body, and I had the opportunity to see what others can only imagine, and all I am trying to do is show you the connection, and let you decide how your inner thoughts think about it, because it does not matter if I see blue skies or mud puddles, if you are not seeing it, then I am wasting my time, and yours.

My topic goes past evidence, because it is part of our make up, and that is an everyday thing, but we don't report it as such, because it happens so often, and usually just once for any person, so to do study on just out of body experience, would be hard, but by training people on this machine, they learn a trade, and they can bi-pass the first opportunity, and go right to the next part. On Lisa Williams last show, she explained a lot more about her self, and her communication experience in general, so I can see why you do not want me to talk about it, it falls in line with my topic still, and you have a hard time dealing with the both of us, but she does it as natural as me, so it will all work out in the end, but getting back to her show, she talked about an out of body afterlife that was staying in this house because, the person had so much clutter through out the house, that the out of body afterlife had more than enough energy, regardless to it's own comfort zone, that it was hanging out like a jelly fish does in water.

Now if this is true, there will be a lot of clutter in the room where we leave the 24/7 BrainGate machine on, later in my idea, because it will help give a little protein, to an out of body patient, that will need it, if for no other reason, but to help in the placebo effect. Now at the same time, we need to see hoe good brainGate works, around so much clutter, does this type of activity effect the machine it self, and what can we do to monitor or change this.

Thank you for reading my thoughts, please remember to read this part, because it does not say thank you for reading my evidence. That will come when it needs to come.

Here is the way I think about that part of the topic at this time. As a society, we have shown a history of always being on the wrong side of the gate.

We did not believe a plane could fly, I still have trouble with that one my self at times, ex specially when I see a big plane in the sky.

We yell about Mikael Vick, but our past believed in slavery.

We talk about Winston Churchill as though he was important, but we don't talk about how he changed to this type of person, when he had his out of body experience.

They say that Henry Ford was not a very smart person, but you sure could not tell it, from how he changed life as we know it.

They say that Thomas Edison believed that we could communicate with afterlife, but they leave it there, and don't try and build off of it.

Please fill free to list anything that we have gotten right.

Some times i life, you can not wait for Hurricane Katrina,911, or pearl harbor and ignore your evidence, I have given you fair warning just like Churchill did of Hitler, now it is a matter of what you are going to do with that information, because Big Foot might have more views than me, but my topic makes more sense.

The only reason we got off our butt and went into space, was because another country was doing it.

So here we are with another topic, that looks pretty easy on the surface, until you look at it's track record, it has been grounded with old way of thinking; information that is so out dated to my possibility, that we ignore it, because it does not fall in line with anything that seams urgent, so we drop back on our butts, and blow off the whole thing, and that is why time has it's advantages, just because you are not focused on it correctly saids nothing wrong about you, but it does say something about me, and how I see it playing out, so don't wast your time with the details, the details will take care of it self, as any good time stamp should, what we need to focus on is creating a cast of characters that can help with making this happen.

You say that I am using the conspiracy card, but that is as far from reality as thinking that the New England Patriots can do no wrong. They embarrassed them self's, for thinking about nothing but winning, and that is not what the game is all about.
It has to do with listening and knowing that everything will work out, if you take the time to focus correctly.

I tell you that it would not be in the bast interest for people like O.J., who would not want his past wife, coming forward, and explaining the accounts of the night she was killed, and you call that a conspiracy, that is just plain fact, and you would be in denial if you do not understand that from all my other thoughts.

Now taking him as an example, and knowing how some wealthy people behave at the top, it could be safe to say, that others in strong positions, would not want this to happen as well, but that does not mean we can not do it, there just has to be some guide lines put in place, but we can talk about that at a later time.


What I am saying is this, the only way we can connect with this market, is to have the right tools. A photographer would not be able to do the things they do with out some help from a camera tool, and to See them, you would need patients or models, posing for every picture, and complain as you do, but like it or not, the models or patients have the control. They can smile or not smile, open there eyer or not, and that is just a short example to what they do in this invisible force next to us.

Thank you for listening to me ramble on,
Tim
Thank you for reading my thoughts, and please fill free to rip this topic a part as well, and if by some strange chance, you get a thought that I just might be right, please fill free to Let me know, because it is surprising how I live out on this gate, with very little support at this time, and you seam to be the only one interested in my story.

If somebody else has a better back up plan, please fill free to fill me in.

Thank you,
Tim

Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

I speak about it, you want me to measure it, I speak about it, you want evidence, I give evidence, and you dismiss it, and then act as though I am wasting your time. Please provide links to the messages that show you have proof. I dare you.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

My goal in life is not to good at any one thing, My thoughts love to grow like the character in "Lawn mower man", right before he lost it, they always do in those types of movie's.

I'm just expressing my thoughts, nothing more at this time, my goal is not to be politically correct, unless I am getting paid for it, then I would hire a proof reader, and continue focusing on my topic, reviewing all the paradigms, because that is what a person with a passion lives for, the opportunity to grow, we can save the controlling for later.

We need an out of body tap board, a place where any out of body person can go and make some noise, do we have a place like that, a place where we invite such opportunities? I don't think so, but what do I know anyway? ( This is a good spot for some of you to really slam me good with that line)

I'm just right brain thinking like a coach who is playing a football game, what is the next play for this situation on the field, are we moving forward, or are we going back wards, kind of like tugga war, pulling to gain more ground, but out of body afterlife, don't have this type of strength, but if they have thought, they are making some type of Nice, in a field of vibration,but instead we continue to race around a track through life,not going anywhere that might continue the opportunity, the best we can, and see if there is things we can do to make it happen natural, or some other type of support, by adding energy, or anything else that might work, and sure if it is simple, we will try them first, but we will also continue to find all paradigms to this opportunity, not excluding any opportunity, because it is fun, so then we can see where the real race track takes us.

life is like a stock car race, just like the ones I use to play with years ago.
If you think about it, everything from the moment you were born, has been planned out for you, and you can't do it alone.
To change your life from what they have planed for you is the Matrix of how we live. I like to talk like this from time to time, to question your comfort zone.

Think of me as a customer who is willing to try my idea, and pay you extra for getting it done. Would you turn that business away, even if you can't promise them that it can be done? Even though we have this circle that so many are brain washed on, to think that the comfort zone can't learn something new, is hurting us in the big picture, communicating with afterlife, ex specially if it winds up being you, I would think is a good thing, and what if we don't allow it to go public, until we are no longer around, what would be wrong with that, you get a little bit of both worlds, if your comfort zone is that good.

Before I get off here I want us to explore some key words for this topic:

Has my idea ever been proving not to work? No

Has it ever been proving that there is no out of body afterlife? No

Is it Possible? Yes

What is the probability? As good as it is, that it can't be done.

How much will it cost to prove that it can't be done? I don't know, they have had all the time up to now to do that, but they have not, and they argue, if they have too.

Why have you not got any media attention?

Timing is everything, and they are saving it for a night of candy, and see how it play out. Do their ratings eat it up, or do they write it off for the night it is on, and hope everybody likes what they hear. I believe they will, because it comes before religion, and I think people are educated enough now, to want to know more, especially since it don't look like we are going to travel too far in space, with everything taking it's allotted amount of time.

What if the media never gives you the opportunity to try and explain it in a way that the masses can hear it?


I will be the first to tell you, I even save them money on reporters, I am not afraid to ask my self the hard questions, I do it everyday in everything I do, but the problem you have by telling others, is they have to show an interest to want to hear about it, because they have there own life to live, and they have to be picky about what really interest them, and I truly understand that, if it is not interesting, with a little spice, people get bored quick, I know I would, but getting back to the question, not that I forgot it, I just moved it down until now, so here goes.

If the media has a reason for not wanting to know more, they have a reason, that I might never know, and that is too bad, because I help anything I get around, in the business sector, and I don't know why, it just comes natural, once I know the rules.

It is not bragging, if it is true, I did not have five supervisors working under me, because I spent a night at an Holiday Express.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

I guess the skeptics for this topic has had enough, since they don't seam to respond any more, and that is fine, because every week that Lisa Williams get better, about explaining and showing her gift, put them on major defense.

Check out the comments:

http://www.lifetimetv.com/on-tv/shows/lisa-williams#comment-20735

I was once asked for proof that there is out of body afterlife, and I used Lisa Williams as an example, and so far she has carried a lot of weight, now we need to either prove her wrong, or help me make my topic a reality, because we are wasting time.

Thank you,
Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim4848, I told you that she was wrong on the first video. She tried to do the, "You're a big fat guy, he was a small skinny guy" routine. The living guy didn't did not respond. She also brought up the name of the brother of the 2nd guy's dead friend, but not the name of the dead guy.

So far, your only proof is a cold reader. And you are wasting everyone's time. Take your aledged VP job earnings and, instead of asking for help here, do it yourself.

[Tim4848]

That is the best you have Little 10 Toes,

She is on her second year now, and you site one example that I still have not had a chance to check out. even if you are right, she still was able to find their out of bod friends, something that you and me would have a hard time doing, by just meeting some one on the street.

She is now doing audience shows, and people are going crazy wanting to meet here. If she keeps going like this, my idea is destine to happen.

Thank you,
Tim

[Czarcasm]

That is the best you have Little 10 Toes,

She is on her second year now, and you site one example that I still have not had a chance to check out. even if you are right, she still was able to find their out of bod friends, something that you and me would have a hard time doing, by just meeting some one on the street.

She is now doing audience shows, and people are going crazy wanting to meet here. If she keeps going like this, my idea is destine to happen.

Thank you,
Tim
Translation: "She fooled me-she must be the real thing!"

[Little 10 Toes]

That is the best you have Little 10 Toes,

She is on her second year now, and you site one example that I still have not had a chance to check out. even if you are right, she still was able to find their out of bod friends, something that you and me would have a hard time doing, by just meeting some one on the street.

She is now doing audience shows, and people are going crazy wanting to meet here. If she keeps going like this, my idea is destine to happen.

Thank you,
Tim
Translation: A cold reader is the best I have. Ignore that she couldn't come out and tell me the facts, but she had to keep asking questions.

And Tim4848, I keep asking for more proof. You keep repeating the mantra, "lisa williams is on tv". Jerry Springer had a show named TV Guide's Worst TV Show Ever in 2002, so I must believe that everything on his show was true because it was on for 17 seasons?

[Tim4848]

Apples and oranges are the best you have, Springer took somebody's world and turned it upside down with negative, to the point that they would fight to try and make it right. Lisa Williams takes somebody's negative and makes it as positive as she can with what she has to work with and ends up with a hug. :)

Just like the song, " This ain't no thinking thing, right brain, left brain, it goes a little deeper than that."

Thank you,
Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

Tim4848, do you have any other proof other than Lisa Williams?

[Tim4848]

Does an eye witness accounts, count for anything?

[Little 10 Toes]

Some one has an eye witness account of the afterlife that can be verified independently by science?

[Tim4848]

How can science verify it independently, when it has not ever happened to them?

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

I have the good fortune, of being with so many smart people as your self's.

I know that I did not plan for this type of activity to take as much control over me as it has, but it sounds so true.

Today I checked my e-mail, and received an interesting request, to be my friend on my space. It was,




Julian Jaynes

Another person who seams to say what I am trying to say. I assume he is trying to sell something, but is info is right on track to what I am saying in some ways. I don't approve you buy what ever he is trying to sell, but read some of his stuff and tell me what you think.

Before I post the link, am I allowed?

Thank you,
Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

How can science verify it independently, when it has not ever happened to them? Before I answer, what did they see?

[Little 10 Toes]

Today I checked my e-mail, and received an interesting request, to be my friend on my space. It was,




Julian Jaynes




[DeForest Kelley] Dammit Tim, he's dead. [/DeForest Kelley]

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Before we continue, I believe we need to talk about where we are at this point, because things are happening so fast, that the first wave of opportunity is happening, and to keep up, you have to get your comprehensive gland, working, because it you don't use it, you lose it.
You need to comprehend mind mapping of every conceivable vision, available to anybody to find, like easter eggs, that you never hear about.

the news keeps you focus on business topic, not yours, but most of you will find after checking your inner truth, that you are living some body Else's vision anyway, because you know that you can't come up with any on your own, and that is fine, because It gives you time to enjoy a little of life's pleasures, but the paradox is, that you could enjoy it even beyond your own comprehension about it. Imagine God appears in front of you, and saids he wanted you to do this or that, in some people minds, it is a no brainier what they would do. How about you, what is your no brainier?

Do you just want to be a little bad before you find out if you are in trouble or not.

Play today, before you give it all away, because you can't stay, we, we, just don't want to hear from you anymore, you need to do this or you need to do that, how is it, that all of a sudden, we decide how they should be treated, this is a strong case, for discriminating against, out of body afterlife, some what how we treat the elderly years ago, like they had any type of value anymore, they can't remember anything.

I believe that Lisa Williams could help us in that area, where elderly people has passed away, and how are they acting in the afterlife. The question and answer could tell you what we should be doing, when we are found to have this deices.

Energy does not get seizer's, it can't be destroyed.

Nature does not hide it's mistakes, it is all there, when you look at it correctly.

Example, some things that are associated with nature, as been limited, so we can explore the possibility, because business does not like people focusing on anything other than their business and that is the way it is.

I believe it is all right for people to make mistakes, regardless what type it was, but to give people head games about it, and to your self, is just one way; that you are getting lost in the emotions of life, and that keeps you from truly understanding this topic.


Stop, think, stop, and keep thinking, your mind don't like to be bored, so it is always playing out the worst of your comfort zone, bringing it to your attention, because you are truly listening to your body.

Example: I have this bad tooth, I need to get it taken care of, because it is starting to get infected, I just feel bad, spending money on my self, for what the deductible will cost, so I put it off. then I hear about this kid who got a brain tumor, because he had an absent tooth that his parents did not take care of it.

I have put up with the aggravation of having to use a tooth pic on it every time I eat, and I wonder how many other teeth will get cavities, and how will I pay them, and why do I continue to drink pop, knowing that it is going to get me hyper, and I like to push my thoughts beyond the Walton's, at thispointin mylife. Ibelievethat iwillquitusingspacebarwheniaminmyrightbrainsoyouca nseehowyoucanthrowoutsomerulesandstillbeabletomake conversation....iwasabletocommunicatewithyou,,,jus tusing,,,words!!!!!!!

Ihadenergyfocusedonconnectingwithyoucorrectly,,,,b ut to be able to do that with you, I have to follow left brain rules, who do not want their mind maps touched, with out their legal permission, and if we are looking for getting politically correct answers, then we need to build value to this topic.


Thank you for reading my thoughts as they bounced around,

Tim

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts and answering my questions:

Should I get my tooth fixed?

could we agree some things we do right now are important, it is more important for you to eat today, than have anything to do with this topic, but just like people who see that future thinking is very important, because we are in a world that is changing quicker than we could ever imagine.

What if another country was able to make this idea happen, at first you will prob ally not even know it, and then I day I am gone, died of some crazy thing. you would have to ask your self this question. Did Tim feel it was worth it or not, this topic that consumed him at times, giving so much thought to it, day after day, and I would say it was, but it still comes in second to dreaming with the old toy cars in my parents old gravel driveway with a friend of the time, just dreaming when dreaming was fun. "A beautiful mind movie two" thought.

Watching the show numbers, is like seeing slices to life.

I believe everything about me can be measured, and it possibly could help others, as they try and understand what is happening, that we can breakout of our comfort zones, when we decide to play with our hair, or any emotions that is natural, so this could be why those type of people don't want to know about this idea, because they are on all the sex sites, doing what comes natural to them. When they do get done doing that, then they just want a quick breakdown my idea, so they can go read something else they are interested in, not giving this thought more than a few seconds.

To try and help them as they take this thought in baby steps, I will keep my future replies short, just so they can focus on something else, I would have to say, it has to be a good deal for both sides of this deal.

I alway thought that this topic was a place where other people could share their idea's, and yes some has already done that in the past, and sure this topic is a lot like that song about an umbrella. When we are in the sun, we stand together, and when it is raining, I don't know the exact words, but that is how this topic works. Talk about what ever you would like, or maybe you would like t know where we are at, I will do that on my next short reply, for the natural people who have everything, and some of them don't even know it, because the details are too consuming, and they are worried about an old connection, that has brain washed them all their life.


Please do me a favor, imagine you have a water hose that you could connect to the top of your head, and you are doing a brain flush right now. Please fill free to imagine every type of different cleaning tool you would need to get this done, then come visit me or any other thing you would like to get focused on, and turn off the back ground noise, for a while until you feel you are standing in the corner, because you have to be doing something bad, and then you are ready to reply to me.

Thank you for listening to me look at how some might think, if the truth be told.

Thing that I have heard over my life, that I have questioned, with what I had to work with at the time. I am the spokes person for every thing we don't talk about in public anyway for now. I am not as good as the cable guy, but give me time:::::

Are we not animals anyway?
Are we not the smartest animals?
Why do we have to go to school for so many years, and pay all that money, when we could do it a different way, that is cheaper.
Why should I go to a bar and play a pool league 8-ball season, when i could post signs asking some people if they would like to play pool at each other houses, where you might be able to get a drink that is a lot cheaper, and you don't have to leave a tip, and you can do other bad habits things, that they don't let you do in Ohio anymore.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see what mistakes the government in Ohio is doing, they are passing up on jobs, by getting rid of every business that they can, because business does not like that type of business, and they have the lobbyist to make it happen, because they can see the potential money they could be making, if they were able to eliminate all of our bad habits one year at a time, always adding more red tape to get more money to focus on things that we don't really need, but now you could argue that I might look at it differently, if they helped me make my topic a reality, and you would be right.;)


Tim

[Tim4848]

Should things in our life get better?

Are we going further, staying the same, or moving back wards?

Do we still hate pain, and want to have pleasure?

What brings you pleasure about this topic, do you want a back up just in case I am right?

Did you see Lisa Williams show last week, where the out of body afterlife effected electronics in the room they were in.

Is it just me, or is she getting better every week?


Thank you for listening to my thoughts, and please fill free to add your own comments all day on Halloween.

Thank you,
Tim

[EHLO]

This is all so very, very interesting. Please tell me more.

[Tim4848]

Thank you once again for reading my thoughts,

I am sorry that I don't have any scary Halloween stories or scary pictures, maybe next year.

I find from my own studies, that this topic has a lot of value, because it pertains to us.

Look at this day from any direction you like, and this is a right brain day.

Just imagine if everybody took an hour every year on this day, just to think about the positive possibilities on this topic.

There kids could wear their own unique out of body after life sensor mask, while trick or treating.

Here are some old sayings that I have heard, that should be said on this day.

What comes around goes around.

Ignorance is expensive

Your imagination has the ability to make you richer than Bill Gates, and you have the ability to use it for free.

I double dare you to make it happen with out me.

They have curtain things that happen to them, that they are not proud of, so they try and keep it hidden., even though we all might be tougher on our self's, than any body else could ever be, is no reason to dismiss this idea, because you associate some type of pain, to something that will bring you pleasure in ways you will ever know.

Everything in life comes down to natural confidence in every thing that we come in contact with. The only problem with that, is it leaves no window for paradigm problems.

When things happen to us, close to home, we have a natural ability to re-act to something in instant, going with an answer that we have been programmed with, because we feel it is politically correct, but we are using old data, and that old data on this topic is out dated. I believe the best way to over come that for now, is to think past it already happening, and becoming a reality, now if you have a problem doing that, then you are having issues with your comfort zone, and to think you did it on Halloween.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

[Alice Shortcake]

Tim, I understood every individual word you used in your last post. The only problem is that, taken as a whole, they make no sense whatsoever. :confused:

[Alice Shortcake]

Double post

[Tim4848]

Have you gotten any of my post?

What do you think I am trying to say?

Do you live inside energy?

Do you have any control over your thoughts, and do you have the ability to stop them?

Please fill free and pick any question you would like to answer.

Knowing that science has told you that a neuron is firing, and that is what makes you have thoughts; does that put this whole topic at rest for you?

Does energy have anything to do with you at all?

If you found your self in a position after you die, where you still have thoughts, would you like to have the option of trying to contact back with us?

What back up option do you have plan for when you die?

If everybody walked off a cliff, would you do the same?

What about this topic would make you happy?

Since this topic effects all of us at some point in our life, should we not talk about it?

Imagine you could make my idea a reality, would you do it?

What is your purpose?

How does your purpose connect with my purpose?

What do you know now, that could help me reach my purpose?

Noam Chomsky:

"As soon as questions of will or decision or reason or choice of action arise, human science is at a loss."


Thank you for reading my thoughts and questions,

Tim

[Tim4848]

Are you really at a loss just like Noam Chomsky said?

[Tim4848]

Going once, going twice, three times your out.

What do you think about me selling raffle tickets, until I raise enough money to make this happen, I sure can't wait until you figure it out?

What type of material things do you like?

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

When I first decided to invest time in this topic, I was trying to find the help of others on the Internet, to give me a quick answer to why it was not possible. I never got it, and that was me thinking the worst scenario, to go with it as well, but all the negative feedback that I have received has really been facial to say the least, but at the same time, a lot of these type of people really believe in it, and they are not quick to change regardless what I say, not that starts a new situation that needs to be address, if you are at a stand still what do you do?

Bring in a third party, somebody who has the time to listen to both parties on this tug a war of topic, it would kind of like going to small claims court.

I'm my opinion this is not know thinking thing, but I would be more than glad to let judge Judy decide it.

Is there anything at all to my topic, or not. Should we continue to move forward with my idea, or give up on ever trying again at higher standards than we have done in the past.

I believe this topic is long over due to go to Court, what do you think?

Tim

[Mister Earl]

You have gone the wrong way about this all, Tim. I've managed to read the vast majority, but not all, of your previous postings up until this point. There are several reasons why people will not take you seriously, here, and these reasons are also why nobody here will take time out of their own lives to test your hypothesis.

First, there's nothing wrong with your hypothesis. It's technically possible. The problem here lies in how you approach the testing. From your posts, it appears that you are operating on an enormous foundation of supposition. For example, consider the following: "If A is true, and B is true, and C, D, E are all true as well, then the answer is F!" This is what you are doing now, Tim. You take A through E as fact without testing, and wish to just straight to trying to prove F is true. This is not the correct way to test anything, and will not garner you any support for your theory. Here are a short list of items you must prove as fact before serious testing of you hypothesis may begin:

1.) Out of Body experiences are not simply "dreams" or random neurological activity
2.) There exists a "spirit" or "soul" where the mind of a person may exist outside of the body
3.) People in OBE state can communicate at all via any method, let alone through time.

Allow me to reinterate this clearly for you, Tim. For people to take you claim seriously, you must not assume non-mainstream components as fact. There is no afterlife, it has never, ever been proven. There is no such thing as a soul or a spirit, or ghosts. They have not been proven. Data transfer through time cannot be done. It has never been proven. You cannot use websites who say it is fact as evidence. They do not count, since they rarely do any testing that can be replicated. They sometimes refer to scientists nobody has heard of, that cannot be found, and generally don't exist. Other times, the person may exist, but you'll find that the degrees they stand behind are printed on tissue paper issued from diploma-factories.

You appear to be confused as to why we are not all jumping to test this braingate theory of yours. And I'll tell you again, as many others have before, that first you have to prove that the primary components of your theory even exist. So far you have shown no intent on doing so, and that is why everyone's interest has waned. Why should we do all the work? You're making a very against-the-mainstream claim, and have done no work at all on your side to verify anything. Why should we? We can't even get straight answers to our questions.

My advice, Tim, is to do a minimal amount of footwork regarding your theory. Make some phone calls or send some emails to scientists prominent in biology and neurology. I'm certain any of them would be happy to discuss the basics with you, and give you a firmer foundation to plant your theory on.

[Alice Shortcake]

Tim, please pay attention to what Mister Earl has just explained so well. We have been telling you for ages that your Braingate plan is not possible. There is nothing to take to court. You have misunderstood the function of the real-world Braingate and built a fantasy world around it.

[Mister Earl]

Also, Tim, if going about it the way I've explained would be difficult for you, then there is another way we can go about shoring up the foundation of your theory. If you would, suggest a way that this theory can be put to the test, and I'll suggest different modifications that would help nail down this effect and rule out erroneous data.

[my_wan]

To fully answer that I would have to provide a diagnoses of Tim I'm not technically qualified to give on an open forum and explain exactly what his limitations are. Generally what you say is in no way representative of what Tim believes you have said. The differences are so severe as to make the possibility of being understood by him using any words moot. The best I can do is say that his associative skills, within the limits of his comprehension, are very well developed.

Thank you my wan, and that is why I need your help more than ever, so we can tackle this impossible obstacle with more comprehension. <snip>

Unfortunately things fall way short of what seems possible, even if your words are studied for a year.

[Tim4848]

I hope you all had a very nice Thanksgiving and thank you for reading my thoughts.

Mister Earl
"First, there's nothing wrong with your hypothesis. It's technically possible."

Thomas A Edison also believed it as well.

My goal at this time has always been to paint you a picture about it, regardless if I ever have the opportunity to do it myself.

Is it a waste of time?

How do you measure that?

We already have the patients, we already have the machine, it is just a matter of cross training them on it, and see what happens.

The proof is in the pudding!!!

I will be more than glad to train them myself, so that is free. At this time they do not need to change anything with the machine so that is free, and by the time the patient dies of natural causes, the first BrainGate machine will be out dated for what they are doing now, so that will be free as well.

In the cave man days this idea would not even be considered, but once we started getting up to speed like during the time of Thomas A Edison, it was considered, but he would not waste his time on anything if he did not think he could sell it, and since we had a President at the time of his life that only made fun of the idea, is the only reason we he did not pursue the possibility at that time.

Somebody once asked me why they did not figure out how to do this when they built the Atom Bomb, because all these people were so smart. I told him the same reason they did not invent the cell phone at that time either, because they were focused on the atom bomb.

Everybody is focused on something, and that in it self takes it's own allotted amount of time, and that is fine, but to say it is not possible to me when you have nothing to back it up with, and your own science supports me on the possibility, makes your pudding look messy to say the least.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

[Mister Earl]

First it would be prudent to determine whether or not such a thing as a soul / OBE actually exist. Even if it does, you would need to determine whether or not it is possible to communicate with others on that level. You're "Putting the cart before the horse", as it were. Before any mainstream scientists would consider such tests, you would have to prove your seriousness in this by doing the groundwork. As in skyscraper building, you have to start with the foundation, not the antenna at the top.

[Ron_Tomkins]

Dear Tim:

I want to thank you.

You have given me many hours (not technically hours, but close) of pleasure. Your innocence and complete lack of understanding of science as well as complete naiveness when it comes to understand the basic essence of what people are telling you; have really amused me. You definitively have no idea what you are talking about and probably never will.

Take care

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Mister Earl

"Before any mainstream scientists would consider such tests, you would have to prove your seriousness in this by doing the groundwork. As in skyscraper building, you have to start with the foundation, not the antenna at the top."

Einstein had a hunch about relativity decades before it could be prov en.

Einstein Quotes:
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

Why limit this idea to just antenna information, when we have satellites even higher.

This theory is too elegant not to be true, regardless if it came from me, Thomas A Edison or anybody else.

Thomas A Edison:
"Hell, there are no rules here - we're trying to accomplish something."

Have you ever had a hunch before that was correct and could be measured later?

[Tim4848]

Dear Tim:

I want to thank you.

You have given me many hours (not technically hours, but close) of pleasure. Your innocence and complete lack of understanding of science as well as complete naiveness when it comes to understand the basic essence of what people are telling you; have really amused me. You definitively have no idea what you are talking about and probably never will.

Take care

Dear Ron,

Please take some time to think out side of your own box of education before you waste my time, maybe Einstein and Edison can help you too in this area.

Einstein:

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

"A person starts to live when he can live outside himself."

"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character."

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."


"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new."

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."

"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."

"If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut."

"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)

"The only real valuable thing is intuition."

My old goal use to be to never criticize, complains or condemns anyone, because through out time they can always learn more and change. I use to believe that until they died, but since energy can not be destroyed as science saids and I know from my inner thoughts that there is nothing wrong with my hypothesis on how we can communicate with future out of body afterlife people in a way that can be measured, as science saids it is technically possible, I have changed my thought on that ever so slightly, because I too have the ability to change as well, how about you?

[Alice Shortcake]

:deadhorse :hb::pigsfly:mgbanghead

[Little 10 Toes]

BuzzTim4848: Name of said patients? Name of said nurse? Proof of the afterlife? Proof that you were a VP? Why did it take you so long to answer if English was you native languge?

Mister Earl: I've pointed Tim's shortcoming before and he has not addressed it.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9258&stc=1&d=1195931261

[buzz lightyear]

BuzzTim4848: Name of said patients? Name of said nurse? Proof of the afterlife? Proof that you were a VP? Why did it take you so long to answer if English was you native languge?

Mister Earl: I've pointed Tim's shortcoming before and he has not addressed it.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9258&stc=1&d=1195931261

Hey come on little 10 Toes, fair crack of the whip.

Me thinks that I am the "Buzz" herein referred too, and although me and Tim probably read the same sci-fi we are not one and the same.

This dude is a little too wordy for me.

And since my spelling was always in question, it is "language"
http://www.randi.org/forumlive/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Little 10 Toes]

You busted me Buzz. :) At least you provided pictures with your theories and kept us on our toes. This guy just sounds like a broken record.

[Loss Leader]

I know from my inner thoughts that there is nothing wrong with my hypothesis on how we can communicate with future out of body afterlife people in a way that can be measured, as science saids it is technically possible



Holy crap, we're still doing this?

[Tim4848]

BuzzTim4848: Name of said patients? Name of said nurse? Proof of the afterlife? Proof that you were a VP? Why did it take you so long to answer if English was you native languge?

Mister Earl: I've pointed Tim's shortcoming before and he has not addressed it.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9258&stc=1&d=1195931261

Dear Little 10 Toes,

Potential patients of BrainGate now or in the future, you decide on that, not me. All I do is paint the picture, you are the ones that have to decide if you want to live in iggnorance of 911, or New Orleans again, by this sucker punch from some country like Chinia. Expect the worst and the worst will never come. As far as the staff of companies like the company that has BrainGate now, all we can do is paint a picture to them as well, because their whole field was based on different hunnches all the way through the time we are now at. I am in no place or at no time in any type of situation now, that I could ever do this on my own, but just like watching the Lisa Williams show, if she is real or not, is the fact that so many people already fel that this might be possible, or they would not waste their time watching it.

My idea is based on a plan that can be adjusted to the point that it becomes a part of this posibility.

A lot of future out of body afterlife will be training people on the Internet to the NEXT way of life and why they should really understand what there options will be in the future.

Every human on Earth will always get what ever privacy they want, and anytype of communication with my possibility, will only delay any type of pleasure or time on the machine with that password.

This will be a new direction for NASA to work toward, because of many problems they are now having in space, they would just be wasting your time it they would waste a future pennie on trying to come up with some type of ship that could ever get a human anywhere close to another galaxy any time soon, but that might not be the case for future and past out of body afterlife.

If they travel with their thought the speed of light, and showing that by point ing in a direction that could take them to all type of different pies, because with out their will they would surly come apart, but they are clear and they are only as good as what they have to work with, and we have to respect that of the out of body afterlife, we need to think with emphathy what type of life style they must be living.


You are a floater who decides how they want it to play out, and as long as there is pain, there will always be pleasure, and since my topic and my idea is geard toward pleasure my idea will be played out, because while the writer are on strike, they are reading this topic, and they are painting pictures that will take my topic even furter in the future because that is the true sign of a good writer, they are capable of making movies that are better than any movie ever seen before, so do I see my idea happening. I bet my life on it at some point in the future, until thios iggnorance is replaced with action, before another country does it, because we dropped the ball, and we have no say in how they might want to run it, and then you might not get any rights.

Everything in life comes down to pain or pleasure, and your body is always trying to take you out of pain and into pleasure, and that is why we need a back up plan just in case we find we are still having thoughts after we die, and what should we do now?

This topic should be discussed in school with out the religion, play out what if possibilities and what should we do it this happens, so we can get different guidelines in place, just in case I am right.


The sensor they are using now with BrainGate, is placed inside the human scull to where the energy can be measured. In the future the sensor will be placed in the open to different type of situations, a sensor that might be connected to white noice, to records of how the math played out while they were humans.

We will be recording information from the patients of brainGate right now, and then they will try and match that information to anything on different sensors that they will be testing on any given day.

The patients will know what type of plan will to try first on the first day, just in case they can adust to that type of invirement that quickly, because at that time, their will that has always been stronger than any animal that has ever been on this Earth, has ever been able to subcomb us, and we do just as good in that energy as well, and even better for us back here on earth, because they can give you data for example. Just like the weater men measure the movement of the sky all around the Earth, so to will we know where the good places to be in the Afterlife, like should we stay away from this place or that place,

You ever noticed on a creek, near a shaded tree, is where all the big fish are.
If you waded out there, as your shoes slide deeper into the water, and if you were fishing as I was at the time, the water is real cold as it touches your dry body, and not really knowing what might lay under that water, like a snake or a biting turtle, or craw legged creature, might make some question my possibility, but you have nothing to fear, and you know the rest of the picture.

If you really review every point in history you will find that my idea was always possible, but never tried that way before.

At some point in history, even the out of body afterlife will make money one way or another, and money will change in the future, it will be protect you against this type of possibility from another country.

The banks are probally worried about this possibility a while ago and they want to get the worlds money in order.


If you expect the worst, the worst will never come, but if you question my value at this point of the topic, and don't think another country has not been thinking about it in all kind of think tanks, then they are now, you please don't waste my time making pizza's everyday, when I could be working with somebody who truly see the posibility.

Paint you a picture until everybody knows, I suppose.

[Little 10 Toes]

WTF???? Nice that you didn't answer my questions. You have claimed to have a psychic nurse have have subjects available to you.

Let's do this in baby steps. 1) Do you have proof of an afterlife? Yes/No.

[buzz lightyear]

WTF???? Nice that you didn't answer my questions. You have claimed to have a psychic nurse have have subjects available to you.

Let's do this in baby steps. 1) Do you have proof of an afterlife? Yes/No.

Don't think that you will get your answers Little 10 Toes.

From reading that last post, I would guess that this dude is bipolar.

Studied this syndrome when I was doing my "thing" as I thought that I might be slipping a few cogs.
Could have a touch of it, but not as bad as this dude.

Interestingly though, there may be some truth in his ramblings, but he may not be able to express them the way you would understand.

[Tim4848]

Always attacking the messenger every time he makes you stop and think. I don't like change either, but I really don't want some other country doing it first, and you know as good as I do that people from China has been watching this site from time to time as well, and as far as I know they already have this BrainGate machine in there country already.

My next post will give you the top four of my idea.

A look at what the body is capable of doing on a small level in science.

A Look at BrainGate and what it has done so far

A look at the people behind the machine

A look at morale support, from what people are showing us in the masses, last checked 80% of Americans believed that there was some type of afterlife.

Also the theme will be about why you do not answer my question of what it would hurt to try it.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

A visual on what some think you look like when you are having an out of body experience. I do not agree with a full body shape, but it will work for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PQAc_Z2OfQ

This BrainGate machine is the we have, but it is working like a Rolls Royce so far.

.What would it hurt to get some time share time with this machine in the future, as well with the BrainGate patients at the same time?

http://cyberkinetics.virtual.vps-host.net/content/index.jsp

Medium Lisa Williams will be welcomed to interact with the patients from time to time, and help with different situations with the 24/7 machine in the future.

http://videos.lifetimetv.com/?fr_story=96167475fa5e3cc1379df97224cebcd5c4c1bb61&rf=bm

What would any of this hurt.

Have we gotten so big, that we can't even ask somebody if they would be interested in helping because they are so close to where the action is, or at least let them find out for them self's. We should not be deciding for them because we think we know something, when we really don't have a clue, or even a place you can go and be able to try anything, it is just not there, once you pass you better hope you were not sold another story that did not pan out as good as it could of, and that is what we really don't know.

Your future value will be in your password, I will tell you that right now, and what type of information they know about you, will also play a factor, so if you thought being good for Santa was important, you have not seen anything yet.

I believe that the math for my idea could be played out on that show Numbers, if we really wanted to make it happen, because they would see it my way as well, if they really wanted to see it happen.

We really need to open the doors on this possibility like we have never done before, and then give me the tools I need to make it happen.

Staying along what hurts and what don't, I really don't bite, how about you?

I find happiness in just knowing that I had a small part in the big picture of this reality and that it all worked out, because it was what people really wanted as a back up plan, and they know deep down in their hearts, that Lisa Williams will come through in the end, showing that it is possible, al the way to the machine working, just like it did, when it had the past patient that was able to make it happen, and then all is good.

Thank you,

Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

Thank you for avoiding my simple question Tim4848. I think that you should go to a non-skeptic board to pitch your ideas. You have not even taken the time to establish your foundation. I'll ask the simple question again.

1) Do you have proof of the afterlife? Yes/No

[Apathia]

Thank you for avoiding my simple question Tim4848. I think that you should go to a non-skeptic board to pitch your ideas. You have not even taken the time to establish your foundation. I'll ask the simple question again.

1) Do you have proof of the afterlife? Yes/No

He doesn't answer that question because his whole spiel is about using Braingate to prove the existence of "future out of the body" survival. He has nothing. He's still fishing for sometning.

Tim,

you really should get with like minded people, rather than continuing to suject yourself to what can only be negative attention for you at this board.
Unless you like the attention of people telling you you're mentally deficiant, or your just a troll.

Troll or not, I suggest you go here:
http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/about_lynne.htm
This woman is game for whatever you have to offer.

[Ron_Tomkins]

Thank you, Tim. Yes, you are right. I don't want to pretend that I hold the entire truth. I want to think outside the box like you say. That's why I want to give you the benefit of the doubdt.

And ask you:

1) What is your claim?

2) How do you intend to prove it?


Please do not waste more than one short paragraph to explain each. I'll show you an example


1) What is your claim?

My claim is that I can prove that OBE's are real and not just a state of mind

2) How do you intend to prove it?

On the next tuesday, I intend to sleep only 4 hours. I will go outside, walk a little bit, then come back and take a nap (it's been proven that OBE's are easily triggered when taking a nap). I will leave a Poker Card that I have not seen on the table. When I have my OBE, I will look at the card. After I wake up, the card should be the same I saw. I will videotape myself so that when I come back from the OBE, I will say the card out loud before looking at it. I will then send these tapes to the JREF as part of my proof.



I gave that as an example. You might want to try it, though. People have told you the experiment countless times and you have ignored it. My suggestion: prove what you claim and don't give us lectures on science and electricity since it is clear that you don't have much scientific knowledge. Prove what you claim or spare us the mumbo jumbo.

Take care.

[Tim4848]

My claim:

To show the best way of communicating with future out of body afterlife people in a way that can be measured with what we have to work with right now, and yes if it works, it will also those other questions you would like to know, but it would only be that way by focusing beyond what you feel will end this possibility, because you are only assuming as I at this point, but your way of thinking don't open the door to a final result, as mine gives us something to always work toward.

You will never get the results that is necessary for this to happen by controlling the possibility to a few minor problems when we have so much more to offer by being in the right mind set of growing.

We have more than enough stuff that could help this topic, but that will only happen when it is being lead by somebody like me who would be the first to say that I don't know everything, but I have no doubt that we will if we grow with this topic, than not doing anything, because some don't see the point yet.
, by having the best plan for making that happening

[Tim4848]

My topic is free and please fill free to ask what ever question you have about this topic to your future Presidents today at www.Youtube.com/Republicandebate and see how focus our future country is into this.

My topic is free and believe it or not, but it has even more value than any war, fuel problem and a whole lot more that you seam to be worried about in the news, knowing what I know and how it will effect you at some point in your life, because you are open to Murphy Law, and this solution is the best thing for it as well.

When you receive thoughts on this topic as natural as it has been coming to me, you actually begin to see pictures that can't even be seen yet, because they have not ever been seen to the human eye, and I need help in that field alone, where I have access to people who make movies, so they can make a model with computer art, that of the quality of a good video game, where everybody is given the opportunity, by placing these machines out in public places, like children museums, where everybody will get a chance to see what I have planned out, and you they feel about the possibility, because now that a lot of people ex specially kids can now to start to work toward a problem not for any other reason than they are tired of just playing chess and solitaire. Like it or not but you can waste your life away playing video games or doing something else that is good, but this topic is a positive reality for so many reasons to mention right now, but here is a good reason to consider.

If you are as good as you feel you are this I wish you the best in everything you do, and that is the way I think, because you have given me the opportunity to show that real life has a game that still has a chance to happen.

The softer side of Tim:

Example: I really started to quit watching baseball, when they could not finish that one season of baseball, when the Reds had a chance to get to play in the World Series do to money. Maybe at some point i the future when the two same teams are in a position to play again with out a strike, that they could finish both those seasons that year, at least it Will be something to think about at that time, or to put so much effort in explaining when I could have more time doing, and be treated has though I am in control of the department.

Thank you for reading this mind dump,

Mit




f them a that change to different people emotions to what is natural and should be followed as well as we are to truly listen to it correctly, but always doing it in a small way that at least shows that we are putting an effort toward making it a reality.

[Ron_Tomkins]

My claim:

To show the best way of communicating with future out of body afterlife people in a way that can be measured with what we have to work with right now, and yes if it works, it will also those other questions you would like to know, but it would only be that way by focusing beyond what you feel will end this possibility, because you are only assuming as I at this point, but your way of thinking don't open the door to a final result, as mine gives us something to always work toward.

You will never get the results that is necessary for this to happen by controlling the possibility to a few minor problems when we have so much more to offer by being in the right mind set of growing.

We have more than enough stuff that could help this topic, but that will only happen when it is being lead by somebody like me who would be the first to say that I don't know everything, but I have no doubt that we will if we grow with this topic, than not doing anything, because some don't see the point yet.
, by having the best plan for making that happening



I'm sorry, fella. I really tried to give you the benefit of the doubt but for starters, you only answered one question (and quite vaguely). I will repeat question 2:

2) How do you intend to prove it?



I will leave it to this: To this day (check your clock and your calendar at the moment you're reading this), you haven't proven anything. Claiming that anything is possible because you have to have an open mind is a very beautyfull statement and indeed, many things that were considered impossible have been proven possible after taking some chances. I applaud that. You really have the mind of an adventurer. The problem is that, other than spitting a bunch of non-proven and poorly expressed theories, you still haven't proved a single thing. So, up to this day, you're no different from the child who believes one day he will find Santa Claus and prove him to be real. Yes, that's great. We hope you're right, but to this day (re-check the time, for it must have changed a couple minutes since you last checked it) you haven't proved a single thing.

[ravdin]

Tim,

Your claims should not require that the observers have the "right mind set". I assume that the correct frame of mind (from your perspective) is uncritical.

Let me give you an example from the physical world. I'm holding a rock in my hand. I claim that when I drop it, it will fall to the ground. It doesn't matter whether or not you believe me- my claim is empirically valid because it really will happen, every single time we care to repeat the experiment, regardless of the preconceived notions of any observers who happen to be present.

If it is a requirement for a successful test that the experimenters are uncritical of your claims, then how can you distinguish your results from wishful thinking?

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Yes I was The Vice President of a financial company and I was very good at it, if you don't believe me, ask my supervisors, that I have no contact with, see what they think of me.

Ask the managers at the time, or the customers who brought gifts to our employees everyday.

How I made crime become a thing of the past, because I understood the moment of truth because I was a manager of Domino's pizza when it was thirty minutes or free, and how to handle every situation where it is always fun.

My thought has always been this, my part time employee might already have another job where he is working for a jerk, the last thing they need to do is have that same experience with me, sure I have so many choices in life that I could follow, but this is the topic that makes me want to leave all the rest behind, because this is a value that needs explored.

If we can line up around Wal-Mart all night long for things that will be forgotten by next year with family that we always want to be a part of our life in one way or another, can at least said you did it a little different, because this Tim, who no longer has to plan a head on everything he does because it effected every customer that order and the type of value they receive for that.

In business I have the ability to cross train people on how to wow the customers in so many ways, that the customer complaint box becomes dusty, because we always do better than what they expect.

Example:

A pizza location is never full, there is always room for another order, and everything in it takes its allotted amount of time, and depending on what tools you have, depends on how effective you are at it.

Painting pictures, trying a hundred different things for different situations, and doing it in a way that you made money doing it.

In this field you have to control and grow at the same time, because regardless what excuse you might want to use, little Joey at school better get his school lunch on time, because all the free in the world is going to replace the memory of that child going hungry on any given day. I believe the perfection in in the journey and that why you can never perfect it, unless you are always thinking toward a natural goal as the idea I suggest, and this is just a few seconds of what I might of thought when I am given a chance to make a difference with a passion that is second hand to any expert that walks this Earth, but I am only as good as the people such as your self, that is open to a reality plan, that is not ever going to be perfect, but you look out the window anyway and work toward blue skies.

I had more time to run the company like a Domino's pizza location, and I was very good at it.

They wanted their financial company to be run like that, but they underestimated how much better I had got with having even more time to make it even better than they expected.

I did it for seven years, and I did turn down a request to move my office to their head office in another state, but I would do that for this idea.

I am an introvert by nature, my personality is that of somebody who could be good Friends with most people, but I will admit in my private time, there is not a lot of room on the couch for all these friends I am lazy in that area of responsibilities and I am sorry for that and maybe sometime in the future it will hit me, and I get this big ego or claim of attention but that is not me, I will do what I must if that type of attention will help this topic, but that is really it.

This topic in the true moment of truth at this time is a lot like the flame of a candle lit, but with this topic, that candle can still go out at any time, but everybody knows where they can go to lite it again, because in the big picture of things, my goal is to keep you talking until future help comes back and saves you, because you took the time to train them when country was not cool.

Thank you for putting up with my thoughts this week end, and I hope you join me on a challenge that needs to be explored as much as the next video game needs to be sold, because even if you had access to every video game and played each one of them for 15 minutes, it would exceed a year in what you could do for this topic right now, and take that candle to a point where it can be measured in so many different directions that I then could say I told you so!

Don't say no, when it is still a go, as long as we do not know what is on the other side of energy, and I do not care what collage you suggest I visit can not answer that question, and I did not have to go to college to know that.

I once lived in the main stream of our culture, but I still stop along the way and question how some things are playing out in that culture that is not right, this topic is one of them.

As I said before it is not really a mistake that we made as a culture, but just the fact there has not really been any good analyzing in this field, other than to try and dis spell it than prove it.

They might not think so but you can tell in their words or body language that they wanted it to play out that way, not because they are right, but that they would have to change their point on this possibility, and they have invested so much time that way, it is hard to change, and I totally understand that.

If one out of ten things I say make any sense to somebody, then it was worth it.

[ravdin]

If one out of ten things I say make any sense to somebody, then it was worth it.

To be honest, your lengthy ramblings don't make any sense at all. Nor are they particularly helpful.

Try to focus your attention and answer these simple, straightforward questions:

1. What is your claim?
2. How do you intend to prove it?

You have been asked these questions many times and you have yet to answer them.

[Alice Shortcake]

Tim, I find it hard to believe that English is your first language. Just tell us what your first language IS and perhaps we'll be able to work something out with a translator. 90% of what you post is completely meaningless.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts.

Machine language might seam strange to you as well, but it is still effected to some who might get something from what I am trying to say from the right side of my thoughts, because they know the difference while they get better at mind mapping them selves. what I am really trying to do, even though it might be foreign to you, is give everybody in the future in this situation other options than falling like a rock to your way of thinking.

Tim

[ravdin]

Tim,

If you are unable to translate your way of thinking into ours, then it means nothing. We have no way of knowing if you have stumbled onto a profound metaphysical truth (that you seem to be uniquely qualified to understand), or if you are simply delusional.

Humor us by expressing your knowledge in terms that the rest of us can understand.

[Tim4848]

Tim,

If you are unable to translate your way of thinking into ours, then it means nothing. We have no way of knowing if you have stumbled onto a profound metaphysical truth (that you seem to be uniquely qualified to understand), or if you are simply delusional.

Humor us by expressing your knowledge in terms that the rest of us can understand.

what you say may be true to some, but I have no doubt in the future with the right kind of marketing we can over come that.

Most great minds make bad speakers, but they still make make it happen, I think it has something to do with people looking at the way I explain it or want to do it, as something they can do better, and they even exceed what I am trying to do, and I have no problem with that. Please fill free to get some attention by posting some of my questions at this site before midnight and see what they think of them.

http://www.youtube.com/debates


Here is some questions you could ask:

What is wrong with trying to communicate with God in a way that can be measured?

If 80% of American's believe that there is some type of afterlife, why not explore the possibility from a different direction every chance you can, just in case they might just work?

Do you believe in any type of out of body afterlife possibilities?


Is Tim Brewer the Author of the topic "The Department of Positive Out of Body possibility a nut, or is he on to something, we just don't know what it is yet?


What question do you think we should ask about this topic I am talking about, except I might be the exception of some kid that had been left behind in school and anything else negative if you would like, but say it in a way that I can see it Wednesday night.

Thank you,
Tim

[ravdin]

Please fill free to get some attention by posting some of my questions at this site before midnight and see what they think of them.

Thank you, but I don't need any extra attention. I am declining your homework assignment.

What question do you think we should ask about this topic I am talking about, except I might be the exception of some kid that had been left behind in school and anything else negative if you would like, but say it in a way that I can see it Wednesday night.

I have two questions for you, and you don't need to go to youtube to get answers for them:

1. What is your claim?
2. How do you intend to prove it?

If you are unable to answer these questions in a concise, logical way, then I'm afraid we have nothing further to discuss.

[Tim4848]

1. What is my claim?

To be able to communicate with future out of body afterlife energy in a way that can be measured with math, comparing it in some way to what has been done in this field of science so far with this topic.

If you would like, we could try it with apes, if you are shooting for different results, but that would be a waste of time, because we are counting on the apes or monkeys to have a will to make it happen and really understand what will be expected on any given day, with new ideals to try out.

Example of different sensors that will be hooked up in this safe house 24/7.
All type of sensors, ones with the lowest level of energy to ones that have more energy in the room, to dealing with different speeds to that gravity as well, always trying to find at least a machine language to something out there.

I hope the math we find will fall in line to something we are trying at the time, like offering any patient the opportunity to make history.

Let's say that Oprah wants you on her show tomorrow, because she like the type of answers you give.

Would you do it?

Would you go on her show, and would you do back flips trying to explain how i just don't get it, and then all of the sudden she saids, but I believe in it and I am willing to support Tim Brewer in anything he would love to analyze, because I know dreams do come true, and every year is getting so boring anyway.

2. How do you intend to prove it?

Paint as many pictures as I can until I am allowed to make it happen.

I am getting older every second.

Use me or lose me

[ravdin]

1. What is my claim?

To be able to communicate with future out of body afterlife energy in a way that can be measured with math, comparing it in some way to what has been done in this field of science so far with this topic.

Can you be more specific? What math? How will you measure the energy? Can you prove that the "communication" you receive is meaningful?

If you would like, we could try it with apes, if you are shooting for different results, but that would be a waste of time, because we are counting on the apes or monkeys to have a will to make it happen and really understand what will be expected on any given day, with new ideals to try out.

This has nothing to do with what I want. This is your claim. Propose a trial that makes sense to you.

Example of different sensors that will be hooked up in this safe house 24/7.
All type of sensors, ones with the lowest level of energy to ones that have more energy in the room, to dealing with different speeds to that gravity as well, always trying to find at least a machine language to something out there.

This makes no sense.

I hope the math we find will fall in line to something we are trying at the time, like offering any patient the opportunity to make history.

Your wishful thinking isn't relevant here. What knowledge do you have, today?

Let's say that Oprah wants you on her show tomorrow, because she like the type of answers you give.

Would you do it?

Would you go on her show, and would you do back flips trying to explain how i just don't get it, and then all of the sudden she saids, but I believe in it and I am willing to support Tim Brewer in anything he would love to analyze, because I know dreams do come true, and every year is getting so boring anyway.

I fail to see how this hypothetical situation is in any way relevant. But I will be very surprised indeed the day that any public figure will be willing to promote your claims if you have no evidence.

2. How do you intend to prove it?

Paint as many pictures as I can until I am allowed to make it happen.

I am getting older every second.

Use me or lose me

It sounds like you need to keep working on how to prove your claims. Until then, I wish you success on your prolific painting career.

[Tim4848]

I really think that a lot of these quotes below explain why we should do this idea, they seam to think a lot like me.

http://www.quoteworld.org/categories/life

Let me just list a few:


"When you take charge of your life, there is no longer need to ask permission of other people or society at large. When you ask permission, you give someone veto power over your life."

"I don't want to get to the end of my life and find that I have just lived the length of it. I want to have lived the width of it as well."

"Seek out that particular mental attribute which makes you feel most deeply and vitally alive, along with which comes the inner voice which says, 'This is the real me,' and when you have found that attitude, follow it."

"The great use of life is to spend it on something that will outlast it."

"Be not afraid of life. Believe that life IS worth living and your belief will help create the fact."

"Books are the legacies that a great genius leaves to mankind, which are delivered down from generation to generation as presents to the posterity of those who are yet unborn."

"It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them."

"The unique personality which is the real life in me, I can not gain unless I search for the real life, the spiritual quality, in others. I am myself spiritually dead unless I reach out to the fine quality dormant in others. For it is only with the god enthroned in the innermost shrine of the other, that the god hidden in me, will consent to appear."

"The purpose of learning is growth, and our minds, unlike our bodies, can continue growing as we continue to live."

I could go on and on but I won't, but it is nice to google qoates with my name or this topic and get some results.

This topic is in the string theory of everything that goes on in our lifes and that is why we need to take it to the NEXT part of this topic, and that is getting with the patients and seeing how those customers feel about that positive possibility, a blue sky thought, unless you can give one reason what it would hurt.

Do it for hope if nothing else, because it is the natural thing to do.

Tim

[Tim4848]

Can you be more specific? What math? How will you measure the energy? Can you prove that the "communication" you receive is meaningful?

The first math will be that of what they are doing with BrainGate now, and then we can back off of that or build off of that if need be. Why re-invent the wheel or panic yet, since we have not even given them a chance to show what they might already be able to do, but they just never tried it, and then play off what we learned from that first, as we get every thing in place, and not before that, because like it or not, you can't do this with out patients.

Can they create a math from white noise to anything they are already doing, I do not know, but I would think we would have to try this at a low energy at first and then build off of that and temperatures and clutter energy as well, always working toward anything that might make this possible.

We will think of our self at first as a planted location where we are set up to listen to patterns to past patients as a starting point for listening to other people as well.

As you can see we will approach it from the right brain, then play it out in the left brain, by always posting what sensors will be used to day and big print or colors for what they can do.


It will always be the choice of the potential out of body afterlife if they want to try today with this sensor or not, and only the future will tell us that.

[Tim4848]

2) How do you intend to prove it?



I proved it the day I had an out of body experience, everything after that is just fine tuning it for the future.

[Tim4848]

I believe that you develop your inner energy to be able to do things that has always come natural to you, and by knowing that humans are trying to do something about it, helps to stop decades of bleeding based on bad or no information for so long.

Now people have a new place to go, an option they did not have yesterday.

How should they get there, with the help of friends, relatives or anybody you are connected to, just as a back up plan because you know that there is a Ora that is around everybody, and every time you feel you are connecting with your inner thoughts, the room lights up just a little bit, as though true energy is connecting, just something I have noticed with my touchy freely life.

[Ron_Tomkins]

2) How do you intend to prove it?



I proved it the day I had an out of body experience, everything after that is just fine tuning it for the future.



For crying out loud. Do you want to fool us with that sincerely stupid explanation or are you just naive enough to fool yourself? (I'm thinking it's the second one) That is no prove of anything. Will you just do the card experiment and prove to yourself that it wasn't just another lucid dream?

[Tim4848]

I have had the experience,


I am not the only one, I have already talked about the numbers of these people who all just so happens have the same dream, except for some minor details. Now what is the odds that this many people would have the same dream, I wonder what the odds are of that?

Truth in numbers

I have past experience that can help to see the other side and what might be needed to get the best results.

Please fill to act as though I am out of control when you are just buying time to decide if you should cross over to my way of thinking.

Numbers do not lie.

So this fact proves that the body is capable of having different type of out of body experiences, or at least a good way of entertaining us while we are having this experience.

Just in the numbers alone to how out of body experience situations come up and how they are so close to one another.

Can we at least agree that it is not a hoax, and we have no research to suggest that it is not possible, regardless what your argue ment might be and I understand that my topic is border lining on an open ended pie of a answer, with out trying it first.

If rocks are going down a hill and moving at a quick speed, you have some options, like watch them get further away from you, or you could run after them hoping to prove that it just did happen. That type of thinking for this topic is back to picking a needle from a hay stack.

what we are going to do instead is teach them to drive, and then give them the keys.

Please let me explain, all through out history we would expect our guys to figure out how to make this idea work, but I am taking that out of my equation. I am expecting the patients to do it, because they have been trained on what we would be expecting from the patient at first.

[Tim4848]

I have never seen a good show about this topic yet, they just show the strange and throw this topic in there with it.

My topic is about reality, but using imagination to help reality, by measuring every imagined possibility.


Please take a moment to think about this,

The concept I am talking about has been here, is here now, and will be here in the future as well, that is proof in the constance of how this topic is being played out.

I am on this key of explaining as you are on the same key of the key board, and trying to explain it a different way, this in it self answers the problem too, because there is two sides to everything, and some things are clear, because how vast they are, just in the space of energy they are at the time.

From space this planet looks neat, but a closer look would show how everything here on Earth has a way of changing, and keeping that waste as clear as possible, except when excess is found in what we are doing and how it might effect the other side of this topic.

I believe we must build a sensor that covers a space but it is measured with lasers that will measure any type of change in that space at that time, measuring movement of that space, temperatures before, during and after.

I believe this type of idea could be tested now with the machine they are using, because then the out of body afterlife just has to float to the different color space, where different measurements are done.

Our goal with this idea is to keep it as safe as we know about the other side, so the last thing we want to do is assume with out having a back up plan for that possibility.

This topic is not a war or ever intended to be, this is somebody who is role playing somebody who has a passion for wanting to find out this, and see if it just might be a truth, but to do that we have to try it.

I would think it is safe to say that the people who created BrainGate had plans of communicating with patterns that happen with different frictions, and they see that with this topic.

Example:

If I can operate BrainGate today, The chances of me doing it again tomorrow is probably pretty great, and to play that out with the correct tools,show that it can be done with a human.

They go to the energy under the scull to communicate on what they decided was the best place to be for this type of sensor.

relax, that is all we have to do right now, just wait and see that our trained patients has all of their ducks in a row, just in case it happens sooner than expected.

Painting pictures and setting moods up and playing them out in your minds eye.

Please sit down and think about this, this idea is meant to be taken away from past attempts, even if they made sense to where we are at with my idea.

My patient will have the best training with the best machines on communicating and how they can control their energy, and do they feel that lift when they let their energy get out of control.

How touchy freely are you to your emotions and anything to do with this topic, can you change?

You seam to act as though you need some all and mighty answer to the puzzle with out having patients and for you to ignore how far my idea should go toward making this possibility would be the right direction to go, since it is very cheap compared to the rest of the 76 billion dollar budget in medical and science funding this year.

I have no funding, what about support?

[Tim4848]

I totally understand that at the moment of truth that the imagination side of the brain has nothing to offer that can be measured, but after the process starts, will it have a picture to measure, and by saying you need it first sounds a bad as it gets, like you know something that I do not, when you have never brought it forward as I am willing to explain it with common theory.

You can't see what is on TV, unless you turn on the show.

You can't play golf, if you don't have the tools to make it happen.

You can't be house trained if you don't have a house.

This idea will not work if you don't support it, and you already know that, or you would not continue to try and make it look bad, all the while you are wanting to know more about it, because you think I just might be lucky or crazy enough to do it, because you know I can't make this stuff up, now what do you think of that.

Any welcome value about what I am saying sure would be interesting if nothing more.

[buzz lightyear]

I totally understand that at the moment of truth that the imagination side of the brain has nothing to offer that can be measured, but after the process starts, will it have a picture to measure, and by saying you need it first sounds a bad as it gets, like you know something that I do not, when you have never brought it forward as I am willing to explain it with common theory.

You can't see what is on TV, unless you turn on the show.

You can't play golf, if you don't have the tools to make it happen.

You can't be house trained if you don't have a house.

This idea will not work if you don't support it, and you already know that, or you would not continue to try and make it look bad, all the while you are wanting to know more about it, because you think I just might be lucky or crazy enough to do it, because you know I can't make this stuff up, now what do you think of that.

Any welcome value about what I am saying sure would be interesting if nothing more.

Hey Tim,
I know where you are coming from, your ideas have merit.

But for the moment, even for the next few days, it would be best if you turned off the computer.

Take a couple of days off and sit in a park and watch the world go by.

Your head needs a rest mate.

Also if you are using a cathode ray monitor it would be good to get rid of it and get a LCD.

[Ron_Tomkins]

I'll take this long mumbo jumbo as "No, Ron. I will not do the card trick experiment".

I didn't think so anyway.

[Tim4848]

Hey Tim,
I know where you are coming from, your ideas have merit.

But for the moment, even for the next few days, it would be best if you turned off the computer.

Take a couple of days off and sit in a park and watch the world go by.

Your head needs a rest mate.

Also if you are using a cathode ray monitor it would be good to get rid of it and get a LCD.

This is the rest I need more of:

"First, there's nothing wrong with your hypothesis. It's technically possible."

"I know where you are coming from, your ideas have merit."

[Cuddles]

My cat's breath smells of cat food.

[Alice Shortcake]

My cat's breath smells of cat food.

I choo-choo-choose you anyway! And the smell of your cat's breath is just as relevant to this thread as Tim's Brain Gate fantasies...:)

[ravdin]

This is the rest I need more of:

"First, there's nothing wrong with your hypothesis. It's technically possible."

"I know where you are coming from, your ideas have merit."

These may be valid statements in your own mind. But if you want us to accept your hypothesis, you need to demonstrate something that we can experience as well. We can't accept it on your say so alone.

[garyg]

hey tim,I'm going to prove obe very soon ,so e-mail me ,I'll give you some hints!
thanx

[Tim4848]

ravdin:

"We can't accept it on your say so alone."


Yes you can, you just don't understand how to do it yet.


On the Internet I have explained how the potential for making this happen could happen as soon as today, if somebody of power wanted that to happen today.

I could walk them through what they could do to get the percentage of possibility in place just for playing and how fast you want it to happen.


Example if you put your confidence in me to get supper, I could find you some food today regardless what worst scenario might come into play after I make that commitment to do that, and if for some reason I can't do it, I would at least think that you could still see that there might be a different way for getting food and better food in the future, and give up on that whole thing, just because I dropped the ball and did not get the food right today.

When we get into the friction details of this topic, we will try all type of different things and review some past testing if at all possible, so we know sooner what else has been done that might pertain to my possibility.


I do not want to be like Rush Limbaugh always having to promote myself, just to keep my value up, because of the steady flow of negativity toward me because they don't get it yet.

Believe me when I try and say this in a nice way, you still don't get it, but that is fine with me, because everything takes it's allotted amount of time, and you will be ready when that time comes.

Believe it or not but you do live in a next, and it can change quicker than the blink of an eye.

In life you must always expect the unexpected, and then you have to decide how you would like that to play out.


If I thought that you were putting your self into a situation that I really feel you need to think through a little more, it would be this topic.


Please take the time and see how this possibility, could be a part of your own mission statement.


I envision people being held more accountable in the future as humans and as out of body afterlife.

I envision things that will change so much that you will have to have debriefing meetings once a month, just so you can keep up to speed on all the things you did not know.

I would tell you then and then we go around and around about it, just waisting more time, and I would like to think we are getting past that point where you ain't moving from your point of view until the whole room is empty and you are the last one to give this a try.

I will try and be as honest and blunt as I can about this topic, but you need to tell me how much do you want to know?

How much is that information worth to you?

Maybe a wing or a prayer, you tell me. Because for some of you, regardless where you look at this topic, there is a lot of questions, if this was a hippie bird, it sure does have some crazy colors working for it.


Think about this:

Imagine right now the closest gas station is to where you are right now?

Can you think of one?

Can you feel in your minds eye a lot more details about that station, and exactly how you pull in and out of the station with the best results to where you might be going for example, but what if our number came up today for what ever reason and you found yourself out side of your body, but still seeing and having thoughts, just like normal. Where do you go to get more information about my topic?


No where, we give the impression as a country that we don't care about you.

You options in this reality world that changes everyday in this field is in a down slide because they have not planted the type of world they would like to see.

Example:

Who needs my insight in this field?

People who like a lot of attention, people who don't like to be alone, everyday people who like to touch base every once in a while, just want to check that every one is good.

People who like to try something new

People who can see out side the box

Smart people

Rich people


Who will be scared of this at first?

Religious people, not that they are right, but they try and start pain by questioning anything with a negative tone too it, as though they are in some type of position to decide how it will play out. What we are talking about here is to make communication better to a point that the culture can except it for what this whole topic can produce if we just compare our notes in a reality way from time to time, and then playing it out in our mind for free and see how natural it feels, with the goal to be balance of all emotions.



"I don't think he will ever get it"


I have no problem if I don't get it, just as long as you have it right, or you can prove me wrong by something I had done that made it look impossible, or that we were able to do it, as I see we can do it, but once again regardless how you look at this topic, it is jumping out at you at all times in everything you do, least for me that is the case.

I was once told not to grow up but I did, I just did not bring a lot of things with me when I got here, like useless information. that you can buy anywhere.

My mind is ready for the building blocks of the imagination for free, free to go into what ever details will need made to fix any problem that might happen on earth, always helping with hiding the invisible force of life, everything turns the right way toward the North poles, because the is where we go due to the laws of the universe, see how quick you can wonder on thoughts,

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time and I am no different.

The softer side of Tim:

I loved Hillary as the first lady of our country, and if she could of figured out a way to win right after her husband and she did not have to move out of the White House, but she did, and it did not take two years of me watching her to see an ego that is an emotion that I do not want to see in the next President of the United states of America.

I want a president that takes our Government out of our country and lat some other country pay for it, because they are not paying for it now, and they sure seam to be making out on the deal.

If Hillary is so good as she claims to be like a medium, then why is it that she is never right?


She wants to protect my country and she can't even protect her own back yard.


What countries profits went up, while she was protecting us last time, or maybe the people that live in those countries.

They say that 200 hundred people on this Earth has more money than me and 2 billion other people. I have no problem with that, because my personnel expectations at this time in my life is small, but if we are to get better as a country, we better start watching where the bleeding is.

Example: If Wal-Mart is buying anywhere in the world right now, but putting that money back into America, that is better than nothing.

Having somebody like Bill Gates, he could sell off a lot of Government to the private sector like my idea, and then we would be growing better, with less taxes, because of the way they did the math with my potential possibility for future business in this field, and I could go on and on, but you are prob ally lost or lost by now anyway, so thank you for reading my thoughts.

Tim

[Little 10 Toes]

ravdin:

"We can't accept it on your say so alone."


Yes you can, you just don't understand how to do it yet. Nor do you. You have ignored my repeated requests for proof. I also like how you picked out only one sentence of other people's posts. It's like you only look at the good things people say about you, but ignore the bad truth.


On the Internet I have explained how the potential for making this happen could happen as soon as today, if somebody of power wanted that to happen today. No you haven't. You've only spoken in generalities.


I could walk them through what they could do to get the percentage of possibility in place just for playing and how fast you want it to happen. huh? :confused:


Example if you put your confidence in me to get supper, I could find you some food today regardless what worst scenario might come into play after I make that commitment to do that, and if for some reason I can't do it, I would at least think that you could still see that there might be a different way for getting food and better food in the future, and give up on that whole thing, just because I dropped the ball and did not get the food right today. Worst case would be that you dropped dead. How would you still get food to me?


When we get into the friction details of this topic, we will try all type of different things and review some past testing if at all possible, so we know sooner what else has been done that might pertain to my possibility. What is "friction details"? What past testing has been done at all?


I do not want to be like Rush Limbaugh always having to promote myself, just to keep my value up, because of the steady flow of negativity toward me because they don't get it yet. ... but you still keep posting here. That sounds like self-promotion. You only post on threads about Lisa Williams and BrainGate. You have your own site, post there.


Believe me when I try and say this in a nice way, you still don't get it, but that is fine with me, because everything takes it's allotted amount of time, and you will be ready when that time comes.We don't "get it" because you don't get it. This is a skeptic board. You have not show any proof.


Believe it or not but you do live in a next, and it can change quicker than the blink of an eye. I believe you refer to a movie. A movie that is a work of fiction. Provide proof that we live in a "Next".


In life you must always expect the unexpected, and then you have to decide how you would like that to play out.

If I thought that you were putting your self into a situation that I really feel you need to think through a little more, it would be this topic.


Please take the time and see how this possibility, could be a part of your own mission statement.

Blah blah blah.


I envision people being held more accountable in the future as humans and as out of body afterlife.

I envision things that will change so much that you will have to have debriefing meetings once a month, just so you can keep up to speed on all the things you did not know.

I would tell you then and then we go around and around about it, just waisting more time, and I would like to think we are getting past that point where you ain't moving from your point of view until the whole room is empty and you are the last one to give this a try. Proof of the afterlife? Still waiting for that proof.


I will try and be as honest and blunt as I can about this topic, but you need to tell me how much do you want to know? Please tell me about the proof you have.


How much is that information worth to you? Enough for me to say you are right. But until then, nothing.


Maybe a wing or a prayer, you tell me. Because for some of you, regardless where you look at this topic, there is a lot of questions, if this was a hippie bird, it sure does have some crazy colors working for it. More like an imaginary bird.


Think about this:

Imagine right now the closest gas station is to where you are right now?

Can you think of one? [thinking of the gas station]


Can you feel in your minds eye a lot more details about that station, and exactly how you pull in and out of the station with the best results to where you might be going for example, but what if our number came up today for what ever reason and you found yourself out side of your body, but still seeing and having thoughts, just like normal. Where do you go to get more information about my topic?

Huh? From gas station to death? I have proof of a gas station. Do you have proof about having life after death?


No where, we give the impression as a country that we don't care about you. Who is "we" and "we"?


You options in this reality world that changes everyday in this field is in a down slide because they have not planted the type of world they would like to see. Explain what a "down slide" is. Who is "they"?


Example:

Who needs my insight in this field? What insight? Which field?


People who like a lot of attention, people who don't like to be alone, everyday people who like to touch base every once in a while, just want to check that every one is good.

People who like to try something new

People who can see out side the box

Smart people

Rich people
You forgot "future afterlife people".


Who will be scared of this at first?

Religious people, not that they are right, but they try and start pain by questioning anything with a negative tone too it, as though they are in some type of position to decide how it will play out. What we are talking about here is to make communication better to a point that the culture can except it for what this whole topic can produce if we just compare our notes in a reality way from time to time, and then playing it out in our mind for free and see how natural it feels, with the goal to be balance of all emotions. You havn't given anything for people to be afraid about, with the exception of your lack of grammar.


"I don't think he will ever get it"


I have no problem if I don't get it, just as long as you have it right, or you can prove me wrong by something I had done that made it look impossible, or that we were able to do it, as I see we can do it, but once again regardless how you look at this topic, it is jumping out at you at all times in everything you do, least for me that is the case.
The only reason that this topic jumps out is that you post here.


I was once told not to grow up but I did, I just did not bring a lot of things with me when I got here, like useless information. that you can buy anywhere. I think that you forgot reason and critical thinking.


My mind is ready for the building blocks of the imagination for free, free to go into what ever details will need made to fix any problem that might happen on earth, always helping with hiding the invisible force of life, everything turns the right way toward the North poles, because the is where we go due to the laws of the universe, see how quick you can wonder on thoughts, There is only one North Pole. And there is no "invisible force of life".


Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time and I am no different.

The softer side of Tim:

I loved Hillary as the first lady of our country, and if she could of figured out a way to win right after her husband and she did not have to move out of the White House, but she did, and it did not take two years of me watching her to see an ego that is an emotion that I do not want to see in the next President of the United states of America. The reason that she left is that she did not have any political experance that her husband had. That's why she is currently a senator from New York. California already has a powerful woman senator named Fienstien. Why would the Democratic party replace one woman with another?


I want a president that takes our Government out of our country and lat some other country pay for it, because they are not paying for it now, and they sure seam to be making out on the deal. Outsource the government. Funny. I assume that you are not an American citizen.


If Hillary is so good as she claims to be like a medium, then why is it that she is never right? Yet you'll believe someone who claims to talk to the dead. Proof that she claims to be like a medium?


She wants to protect my country and she can't even protect her own back yard. Proof?


What countries profits went up, while she was protecting us last time, or maybe the people that live in those countries. What are you talking about?


They say that 200 hundred people on this Earth has more money than me and 2 billion other people. I have no problem with that, because my personnel expectations at this time in my life is small, but if we are to get better as a country, we better start watching where the bleeding is.
What?


Example: If Wal-Mart is buying anywhere in the world right now, but putting that money back into America, that is better than nothing. That is capitalism. You know, like when you worked for Domino's and when you were a VP. Wal-Mart knows that you can buy in bulk for less money overseas than here. Notice that 99.9% of "American" cars are built in Mexico and/or Canada? (Read the Consumer Report edition about cars.) Why? Cheaper labor.


Having somebody like Bill Gates, he could sell off a lot of Government to the private sector like my idea, and then we would be growing better, with less taxes, because of the way they did the math with my potential possibility for future business in this field, and I could go on and on, but you are prob ally lost or lost by now anyway, so thank you for reading my thoughts. Tim4848, some things are privatized. I can hire a guard to protect my home. There are areas in Arizona where you have a subscription to the local fire department. What is your "future business in this field"?

Tim4848: Do you have proof of the afterlife? Yes/No

[Tim4848]

What can I do to make you happy about this topic, that I have not already done?


I give you the machine that can do it in BrainGate. a machine that has never been used for this type of possibility before.


I say that out of body afterlife live inside energy, a space that has not been pr oven by science, so I won't be breaking any physic laws.

I offer the same experience patients that are using the machine now, so with my cross training into the possibility, will not cost any addition labor.


The cost to try my idea is far less than ever coming up with a good reason not to try it.


Science can not say that human energy can be destroyed, or that it can not change form, as they can not say that you will not still have thought after you die.

There is a lot of things that science can not tell you, but they really do in this statement, that they are on one side of the curtain of energy, and they know that there is energy in that curtain but they don't know if thought is in there as well, and they will never know unless they can get some good feed back from a patient in that position.

Some of the biggest discoveries of all time, are really pretty easy ones, after you break them down, and mine is no different.

Give additional training to patients that you already have, and search for a response from them later on when they will be in this position anyway.

Two patients on this machine has already died from different reasons,but they were never trained on my idea. How many more free patients are we going to go through before I am allowed to trained them on this idea?

What would it hurt?

Look how easy it is to find out,

With a Government budget for science research of seventy six billion dollars, just for one year, it is good to know that there are people like me, who knows how we can discover one of science biggest discovery for free.


Did I stutter, did I not say I can help the patients with this possibility for free, and the experiment it self could be free, as far as the part that has to do with my idea.


Please , please, explain to me where you can get a better deal than that anywhere these days. I have not heard a deal almost as close to this one, except maybe that guy who explained how to make x-rays for free. As you can see I must not have that Bill Gate mentality yet.

The way I look at it, I could die in my sleep tonight of natural causes, and if I kept it to my self, who would ever gain from that.


Everything that happens for an out of body afterlife is a result of what we decide to do as humans, and that is the way it is.

they are in no position to make this possibility just happen a t their end, they are going to need our help, and that is why I try so hard, because I might be the only voice they have ever had.

It is easy to blow something like this off when you don't understand it, but you just might be making a mistake, and don't worry you are not the only one, but what about now, are you having the same kind of thoughts others are having now, like what type of condition should by body be in, when I did of natural causes, will it be alright if they try and keep me alive, as my brain disease gets worst?

I do not know the answer to those types of questions now, but if my idea works as I believe it will, then we might know.

A good question to ask:

"Do they have to drill into your head before you will be able to do my idea in the future?"

I would have to say no, because this is just the ground floor of making it happen, one company has already had some good results on the outside of the brain in this type of field.

How much will it cost to set it up?

Free

"So why don't we do it?"

You tell me?

"What argument can we do to keep you from making this happen?

Just keep doing what you have been doing.

"How much red tape can we use to stop you from doing this?"

You tell me?

Sure I could spend all my time just trying to explain how naturally this topic fits in with our culture already, and the 80 % of Americans who already believe that there is some other type of life after deaf.

"If only one patient ever agrees to try the experiment. Would it be worth trying?"

Yes, because we will begin to see the true value of this possibility, and any information about the topic is better than no information.


Once again:

If you found your self in this situation where you are floating out of your body, and you were left in that state for quite some time.

Would it not be in your best interest to be able to communicate back with humans?

Sure somebody saids it can't be done, so we stop dead in our tracks, just going with the flow on information that is so out dated, that it is almost funny.


I tell you that I can do it for free, you say that I have no credibility and that I am miss informed, and they would never allow you to try something like that, or any other reason you can think of, but what is the real reason, because those others are ego excuses and nothing more.

These patient's and the staff that works on them, have only one thing on you and me, they have had a different experience that helps them make my idea a reality.

Why just take this experiment from the ape to the human, why not one more step to the potential trained out of body afterlife person?


Oh, buy the way, did I say it was free, thanks to me!

Oh, buy the way, did I say it was free, thanks to me!

Oh, buy the way, did I say it was free, thanks to me!

Has a good ring to it, don't you think?

[Tim4848]

Little 10 Toes

"Do you have proof"

My free experiment is my proof, what will you do to help me set it up for you?

[Alice Shortcake]

Tim, you've spent SIX MONTHS posting this gibberish. Even if Brain Gate could be used for the purpose you have in mind - and it can't, because you have misunderstood its function - there is no compelling reason to believe that the afterlife exists. If it did, why would disembodied entities need Brain Gate at all? Why couldn't they make their presence known through computers, TV, radio etc?

You seem to have developed an unhealthy obsession with Brain Gate. Please, do yourself and everyone else a favour and find another hobby.

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