The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities [Archive] - Page 3

Little 10 Toes

29th November 2007, 08:27 PM

What can I do to make you happy about this topic, that I have not already done? Provide proof of the afterlife.

I give you the machine that can do it in BrainGate. a machine that has never been used for this type of possibility before. You have not given us the machine. BrainGate is designed for those who have had serious spinal cord injuries. A submachine gun has never been used for eye surgery, so why don't we use it?

I say that out of body afterlife live inside energy, a space that has not been pr oven by science, so I won't be breaking any physic laws.
Do you have any proof that "out of body afterlife" exist? If you say they live in energy, then they must live in lightbulbs too. Do I kill "out of body afterlife" when I turn off the lights? Nice, "Science hasn't proven it so it must exist" statement. It must be your guideing light for this whole idea of yours.

I offer the same experience patients that are using the machine now, so with my cross training into the possibility, will not cost any addition labor.
Why don't you ask the operators of BrainGate?

The cost to try my idea is far less than ever coming up with a good reason not to try it. Your time does cost something.

Science can not say that human energy can be destroyed, or that it can not change form, as they can not say that you will not still have thought after you die. Good job of misquoting. Taken from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy), "In short, the law of conservation of energy states that energy can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another." Notice it does not say human energy. Thoughts require electrical energy in the brain. Once you are dead, no more energy.

There is a lot of things that science can not tell you, but they really do in this statement, that they are on one side of the curtain of energy, and they know that there is energy in that curtain but they don't know if thought is in there as well, and they will never know unless they can get some good feed back from a patient in that position.Proof of this unknown curtain of energy.

Some of the biggest discoveries of all time, are really pretty easy ones, after you break them down, and mine is no different.What discovery have you discovered? What proof of your discovery do you have?

Give additional training to patients that you already have, and search for a response from them later on when they will be in this position anyway.

Two patients on this machine has already died from different reasons,but they were never trained on my idea. How many more free patients are we going to go through before I am allowed to trained them on this idea? Nice appeal to authority. Too bad you're appealing to the wrong people.

What would it hurt? The false hopes of people hoping that there is such things as the afterlife.

Look how easy it is to find out,

With a Government budget for science research of seventy six billion dollars, just for one year, it is good to know that there are people like me, who knows how we can discover one of science biggest discovery for free. Don't forget the private sector as well who use science.

Did I stutter, did I not say I can help the patients with this possibility for free, and the experiment it self could be free, as far as the part that has to do with my idea.No, it is not free. You are asking people to stop their normal jobs/research to do something that has no proof.

Please , please, explain to me where you can get a better deal than that anywhere these days. I have not heard a deal almost as close to this one, except maybe that guy who explained how to make x-rays for free. As you can see I must not have that Bill Gate mentality yet. Notice that last word. "Yet." If you want money, go somewhere else. Or better yey, go for the $1m challange. By the way, x-rays have always been free.

The way I look at it, I could die in my sleep tonight of natural causes, and if I kept it to my self, who would ever gain from that.Well, so far, no one has gained anything from anything you have said. Except frustration.

Everything that happens for an out of body afterlife is a result of what we decide to do as humans, and that is the way it is. Again. Please provide there is an afterlife.

they are in no position to make this possibility just happen a t their end, they are going to need our help, and that is why I try so hard, because I might be the only voice they have ever had.But they are dead. The living have no cares about the dead. Besides the dead should be able to talk to other dead people.

It is easy to blow something like this off when you don't understand it, but you just might be making a mistake, and don't worry you are not the only one, but what about now, are you having the same kind of thoughts others are having now, like what type of condition should by body be in, when I did of natural causes, will it be alright if they try and keep me alive, as my brain disease gets worst? You don't understand the foundation of your idea. When I'm dead, I don't care what happens to my body because I'm dead!

I do not know the answer to those types of questions now, but if my idea works as I believe it will, then we might know. Little steps Grasshopper. Please provide proof of the afterlife.

A good question to ask:

"Do they have to drill into your head before you will be able to do my idea in the future?" Better question: Why haven't you provided proof of the afterlife?

I would have to say no, because this is just the ground floor of making it happen, one company has already had some good results on the outside of the brain in this type of field. Name of said company? Proof?

How much will it cost to set it up?

Free

"So why don't we do it?"

You tell me?Because there is no proof of the afterlife.

"What argument can we do to keep you from making this happen?See above statement.

Just keep doing what you have been doing. Meaning you won't be providing proof.

"How much red tape can we use to stop you from doing this?"None. Because there is no proof.

You tell me?Opps. Answered your question before reading the rest of the questions. Should have read the whole thing first. My bad. :D

Sure I could spend all my time just trying to explain how naturally this topic fits in with our culture already, and the 80 % of Americans who already believe that there is some other type of life after deaf. Just because 80% of people believe something doesn't make it true. Think of kids believing in the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus.

"If only one patient ever agrees to try the experiment. Would it be worth trying?"

Yes, because we will begin to see the true value of this possibility, and any information about the topic is better than no information. But you haven't asked anyone.

Once again:

If you found your self in this situation where you are floating out of your body, and you were left in that state for quite some time. Provide proof of out of body experiances. Provide proof of the afterlife.

Would it not be in your best interest to be able to communicate back with humans? Depends if you were going to Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, or if you were going to reincarnate.

Sure somebody saids it can't be done, so we stop dead in our tracks, just going with the flow on information that is so out dated, that it is almost funny. Funny you mention information. You have not provided anyone any. You only have your pleedings.

I tell you that I can do it for free, you say that I have no credibility and that I am miss informed, and they would never allow you to try something like that, or any other reason you can think of, but what is the real reason, because those others are ego excuses and nothing more. You have no credibility and you are misinformed.

These patient's and the staff that works on them, have only one thing on you and me, they have had a different experience that helps them make my idea a reality. As well as having a better grasp on basic science and medical training.

Why just take this experiment from the ape to the human, why not one more step to the potential trained out of body afterlife person? You're now wanting to test this on apes?

Oh, buy the way, did I say it was free, thanks to me!

Oh, buy the way, did I say it was free, thanks to me!

Oh, buy the way, did I say it was free, thanks to me!

Has a good ring to it, don't you think? Nice self promotion. So far you haven't show anything except your lack of science. And what ever happened to you giving credit where credit was due.

Tim4848, if you are going to quote me, do it correctly and use the complete quote.

Tim4848: Do you have proof of the afterlife? Yes/No

You provide the proof first. You're saying, "Sure there is life on the moon, just build me a moon colony first."

I'll ask again, with clarity, do you right now have proof of the afterlife? Yes/No

First answer doesn't count. ;)

Tim4848

29th November 2007, 11:18 PM

Tim, you've spent SIX MONTHS posting this gibberish. Even if Brain Gate could be used for the purpose you have in mind - and it can't, because you have misunderstood its function - there is no compelling reason to believe that the afterlife exists. If it did, why would disembodied entities need Brain Gate at all? Why couldn't they make their presence known through computers, TV, radio etc?

You seem to have developed an unhealthy obsession with Brain Gate. Please, do yourself and everyone else a favour and find another hobby.

:deadhorse

Dear Alice Shortcake,

You are on the wrong page, this ain't no thinking thing anymore, it is a good plan.

This idea is not for everybody, like most thinks are not, but please don't limit your options by ignoring it.

This country was found on this type of plan.

Christopher Columbus saw an opportunity to come to America, even though others thought the Earth was flat.

You can't win the lottery, if you don't have a lottery machine, and you can't communicate as I suggest, if you don't have patients, and a machine that is focused on this type of possibility.

Please fill free to explain to me what your back up plan is, if you find your self in this type of situation?

Is it free, as mine is to you?

Cuddles

30th November 2007, 04:38 AM

What can I do to make you happy about this topic, that I have not already done?

You could stop posting here. It would make me happy at least.

Apathia

30th November 2007, 06:33 AM

Christopher Columbus saw an opportunity to come to America, even though others thought the Earth was flat.

You can't win the lottery, if you don't have a lottery machine, and you can't communicate as I suggest, if you don't have patients, and a machine that is focused on this type of possibility.

:lol2:

Mister Earl

30th November 2007, 07:08 AM

Sorry I haven't responded in so long. Pet bird gave me the flu. Anyways, Tim, have you read any supporting documentation regarding the functionality of the BrainGate? Do you know what it does and how it functions, or did you make assumptions?

Little 10 Toes

30th November 2007, 07:49 AM

Tim4848, Christopher Columbus came to America to find a shorter route to India. This country was founded (early on) for religious freedom. Nice avoidance of answering my one simple question. Read the Wikipedia article on Columbus. You'll note that he wrong about the size of the earth. Most people thought the world was round. Once again, you're wrong.

Tim4848

3rd December 2007, 07:26 AM

I am only as good as I have to work with, so I have no problem changing when new information change, please feel free to think of that possibility when it comes to this topic as well,

Thank you for reading my thoughts, and thank you for making me a better informed person as well,

Tim

Tim4848

9th December 2007, 01:08 AM

Tim4848

9th December 2007, 01:45 AM

Dear Santa,

I have really been good this year, could you check and see if somebody would make a page about this topic "The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities" in the Wikipedia free Encyclopedia for Christmas.

Thank you Santa, and you can communicate with me about that positive possibility anytime,

Tim

Giggywig

9th December 2007, 03:15 AM

Little 10 Toes

9th December 2007, 09:18 AM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

This is where I seam to be losing some of you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdisciplinary

This ain't no thinking thing, right brain left brain, it goes a little deeper than that.

"This aint' no thinking thing" is totally correct.

Dear Santa,

I have really been good this year, could you check and see if somebody would make a page about this topic "The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities" in the Wikipedia free Encyclopedia for Christmas.

Thank you Santa, and you can communicate with me about that positive possibility anytime,

Tim Proof that Santa exists? Or is it that he's "out of body afterlife"?

buzz lightyear

10th December 2007, 07:56 PM

mayday

11th December 2007, 06:28 AM

There is this machine built by some guy in North Carolina, I believe, and he says it will cause you to have an OBE. It costs something like, 15K to get in it.

I'm sorry some people seem to find pleasure in mocking you, a lot of people never really advance past third grade. They give it to me in spades, but it doesn't really bother me when I consider the source. I've found the ones who are worth talking to don't resort to the childish behavior, even though there aren't that many of them. Don't let them run you off.

Right now I am not a believer in the afterlife. I'm also not so arrogant as to admit I can be wrong. I just hate to think my dead relatives really *are* with me all the time and watching everything I do...that's really sick when you think about it.

I've experienced enough to know, though, there are questions we do not know and maybe for some reason we are not supposed to know. I'm taking graduate classes in psychology and would like to specialize in a very unique form of grief therapy known as IADC. I have so many other responsibilities right now it will take awhile but I'll keep whittling away at it. You should look it up.

buzz lightyear

11th December 2007, 01:23 PM

I'm sorry some people seem to find pleasure in mocking you, a lot of people never really advance past third grade. They give it to me in spades, but it doesn't really bother me when I consider the source. I've found the ones who are worth talking to don't resort to the childish behavior, even though there aren't that many of them. Don't let them run you off.

You miss judge me if you think I am mocking Tim, mayday.

Although his posts sometimes are ...........bizarre, he deserves full marks for tenacity.

This said, from my personal experiences of the afterlife I seriously doubt that a machine can allow you entry to this realm.

Go Tim!!!!!!!!!

Tim4848

11th December 2007, 07:50 PM

Thank you mayday, those were some very nice things you said.

You bring up some very good questions, people character in the afterlife will play a very important role in what type of activity is considered appropriate at the time of it first happens, and all time after that, and this type of communication will be monitored, meaning that all communication going both directions, will be reviewed, creating new jobs, and so on and so on.

If any communication is negative in nature it will be re-routed for further investigations, and reported as an incident, then it will be reviewed, and so on and so on, until everybody has comes to trusting the positives of the possibility.

Yes I am counting on a trained professional to try and make it happen, because as far as I can tell we have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.

I get this feeling we are getting ready to go on a field trip that even Mr. Rogers would of loved to go on. Sometimes in life you have to get past your silly common sense, and take a chance. It is a back up plan, and at the same time it is an opportunity for anybody who has the ability to make it happen, in one way or another.

Could the discovery come from the patient own ability, to make that measurable connection at that time, be it the original sensor of BrainGate, or white noise, or anything else the patient would like to try falls on them, and how much they are into it, because what is in their best wishes or religion, or anything else, is theirs, and theirs alone, and I am counting on their true spirit to come through, as we set things up and try to come through for them just as well, because if you truly look at everybody in this type of situation, then you should treat them like you would like to be treated, and if we can make a difference in this field of science that has been ignored with different names, but it is still science and it will always remain science, as long as the possibility hangs out their like a time bandit, just waiting for it's fifteen minutes of fame, and let the 80% of Americans who believe in some type of afterlife, if they would be interested in this possibility, if nothing else, but a back up plan in an area of our life, that we just don't really think about, and once it goes in place, you decide if you want to follow the topic or not.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

Little 10 Toes

11th December 2007, 09:15 PM

Mayday: We are not mocking Tim4848. We are disecting his idea of using a machine that is designed for people with spinal cord injuries to be used for communication from dead people. Tim4848 is putting the horse before the carriage. His believes there is an afterlife because of Lisa Williams. He will not answer questions for proof. Watch.

Tim4848: Do you have proof of the afterlife? Still waiting.

Tim4848

11th December 2007, 10:05 PM

Dear Little 10 Toes,

Please fill free to run people away from this topic with false information.

Please fill free to compare my back up plan with any other ones out there and after you compare all the different features you are going to find, that my idea is the best laid out plan, that will fill in the holes that some worry about because they believe that I jumping over the best of times or something.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Apathia

11th December 2007, 10:28 PM

Here Tim. Some gadgets for you:
http://www.shaktitechnology.com/

Tim4848

11th December 2007, 11:04 PM

Thank you Apathia,

I'm looking forward to reading that.

Tim

Alice Shortcake

12th December 2007, 07:44 AM

Tim4848 is putting the horse before the carriage.

Erm...I think you mean putting the carriage before the horse.

Not that it really matters in this case... :boggled:

Little 10 Toes

12th December 2007, 10:21 AM

devnull

12th December 2007, 04:21 PM

There is this machine built by some guy in North Carolina, I believe, and he says it will cause you to have an OBE. It costs something like, 15K to get in it.

A guy in North Carolina has a machine that prints Orders of the British Empire?

I know a guy who can get you a fake license.

mayday

12th December 2007, 04:35 PM

Alice: OOPS!!!! Thanks for catching that for me.

Tim4848: I like how you comment on me chasing people away with "false information". What "false information" have I provided? I also enjoyed how you avoided answering my question. Is it because you feel threated by my question?

Where's your proof that the afterlife exists? Remember, anecdotal evidence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence) and things that can't be proven don't count. I had, what most people would classify, an OBE/NDE, but I did not see anything around me and I could not communicate with anyone.

Will you tell us about it?

The closest thing I had was a brain concussion when I was 13 that put me in and out of a consciuos state for several days, but there was nothing during my blackouts, which is scary. It's scary (and sad) to think that's it, but it may be.

Also, one of my patients I was caring for told me about going into cardiac arrest for about 10 minutes. I asked her if anything happened during that time but she said nothing did.

Little 10 Toes

12th December 2007, 07:06 PM

Long story short: Took a BIG hit (think of all the pot smoker scenes in all the movies, it was like that) of helium to change my voice and passed out. A friend told me I looked like I was having seizures/convulsions(sp?) for about 5 minutes. Very stupid of me.

Tim4848

12th December 2007, 11:41 PM

I believe that everybody has the ability to ask their inner thoughts to take them out of perceived pain and into perceived pleasure for them.

My inner thoughts believe we should be doing this, and yes you would like to know this or know that, for what ever reason I don't know, because you are not ever going to do anything with it, if you don't believe in it to begin with.

Time, I don't know what type of time you use, but I am getting older every second, and everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time.

Example, i might love to play video games, and if I had the opportunity to play every one of them for fifteen minutes, it would take a lot longer than a year to do that, and my time is too important for that, so I play very little with anything.

You look at me and you might see no value in anything I say, and after my idea becomes a reality, History will show that I was not the reason it happened, but the help of a lot of different people, from all over the world. If you perceive me or this topic as a pain, why do you feel that way?

Please fill free to explain to me, how you exist?

Please fill free to explain to me, which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Please fill free to explain to me once again, what it would hurt to try an experiment that is free, from start to finish. Why do we have to go on about things that can be answered after my experiment that won't cost a thing to do, as I repeat the cost again.

Do you know what 6 billion people are thinking about this topic?

They say on average that you have 40,000 thoughts a day, now just think of the potential with that many people focused on being the first person to make it happen for free, and you have a possibility, that you did not have before. Think of this idea as a amusement park ride, a place where you can be your self, and try different things that will be there, and it is part of your potential utopia, because regardless if you are just laying around on a cloud, or watching somebody fishing on a river all day, you still know that you can float over to this location where BrainGate is, and you can check your e-mails, or play video games, You can write in your own journal, but none of the information is allowed to be released for a period of time, that will be determined by natural law, because of the sensitivity of this topic to begin with. The new thing in the future in place of house arrest, will be this type of communication, if your history shows that you have not paid for a crime, then it can be extended with this type of communication.

"If you don't act right, you get kicked off the site"

This will be the pain and pleasure of the future.

Imagine I wanted you to scratch my back, because it really itched in this one spot, you might not be able to do it, if I don't give you good directions, but on the other hand you might be able to do it, because you went over everything until you had to find the spot. I understand that you think that I have to give the directions better right now, as I feel you need to put the tools in place, and let somebody else have the power for a while, because they just might luck into it, if nothing else. A lot of discoveries happen that way.

My goal is not to be famous, but just do what I am suppose to do, and that is spread the word about this possibility, and let you decide if this information is worth exploring or not. this topic was set up to have a place where we can store information about this topic, and the last time I checked, I still believed I had an out of body experience, and medium Lisa Williams still looks like the real deal.

My idea is free, and you don't have to spend any money.

What are you afraid of about this topic?

How can you prove my idea wrong with out playing it out as I suggest.

Why would you not want to try it?

I see out of body afterlife in my minds eye as building blocks, filled with the same type of emotions some of you express from time to time.

If a patient of BrainGate, found out about my idea and pushed to get the opportunity to do it, would you stop them from wanting to try it?

My idea snaps together into a reality that won't cost a thing if you support it as the official possibility in this field of science. We build the field and they will come, because this time we are going to train and give better communication directions, and we are going to do it with a belief, because regardless if you never let me get close enough to the patients and inform them of my idea, the odds of a future patient reading this topic, before they have to be a patient of BrainGate is possible as well.

The word will get out one way or another about how simple and cheep the possibility is, and then a lot of different people will have to decide how they will want it to play out in their life. Do they want to see if we can try and make it a sure thing in our life time or not, or if you just might be the person who can make it happen!

Would you sign to try, if there was no pain involved from training and getting your own password.

Would you like to be on the ground floor with a direct line, or do you want to be grouped with people who had no way to verify who they truly are.

This type of communication will be based on what you planned for, and what you have to offer.

If you have a registered password, or maybe even some back up registered passwords, then you have power in the future afterlife.

You have a record showing who you are, and the value and weight of that will make you famous with out ever having to do anything at all, but register in a place far away from Ellis Island, unless you want to make that a key point to meet, because so many people have been able to travel there.

Yes if you ever want to find a future brainGate, that is set up for you 24/7 in the future, just check out busy places, because that type of energy, makes it easier to communicate.

You are not in Kansas anymore.

Thank you for reading my thoughts.

Tim

Ron_Tomkins

13th December 2007, 01:12 PM

Please fill free to explain to me once again, what it would hurt to try an experiment that is free, from start to finish. Why do we have to go on about things that can be answered after my experiment that won't cost a thing to do, as I repeat the cost again.

Please fill free to explain to me why you don't want to try the card experiment with the OBE experience.

I have a hunch you will feel free to once again ignore this I have told you.

Thank you for reading my thoughts

Ron

Tim4848

13th December 2007, 10:14 PM

That was not the question, please fill free to explain to me what it would hurt to just try my idea?

Little 10 Toes

13th December 2007, 10:27 PM

I believe that everybody has the ability to ask their inner thoughts to take them out of perceived pain and into perceived pleasure for them.Abused children can disassociate themselves from the abuse, so yes, I believe that we can do this too.

My inner thoughts believe we should be doing this, and yes you would like to know this or know that, for what ever reason I don't know, because you are not ever going to do anything with it, if you don't believe in it to begin with.So your inner thoughts believe in it? Not you, but your inner thoughts? Why would we want to do something that we don't believe in? That makes no sense.

Time, I don't know what type of time you use, but I am getting older every second, and everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time. I use normal time. Just like everyone else.

Example, i might love to play video games, and if I had the opportunity to play every one of them for fifteen minutes, it would take a lot longer than a year to do that, and my time is too important for that, so I play very little with anything.Just like most everyone else, I notice you use time management.

You look at me and you might see no value in anything I say, and after my idea becomes a reality, History will show that I was not the reason it happened, but the help of a lot of different people, from all over the world. If you perceive me or this topic as a pain, why do you feel that way?
Tim4848, you have done NOTHING to show your idea is even plasible. You have ignored the basic requests of proof. I do not think you are a pain. I believe you are misguided.

Please fill free to explain to me, how you exist?I exist the same way you do.

Please fill free to explain to me, which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Depends.

Please fill free to explain to me once again, what it would hurt to try an experiment that is free, from start to finish. Why do we have to go on about things that can be answered after my experiment that won't cost a thing to do, as I repeat the cost again.Why do you keep complianing about this?

Do you know what 6 billion people are thinking about this topic?Please provide proof that 6 billion people are thinking out this topic.

They say on average that you have 40,000 thoughts a day, now just think of the potential with that many people focused on being the first person to make it happen for free, and you have a possibility, that you did not have before. Think of this idea as a amusement park ride, a place where you can be your self, and try different things that will be there, and it is part of your potential utopia, because regardless if you are just laying around on a cloud, or watching somebody fishing on a river all day, you still know that you can float over to this location where BrainGate is, and you can check your e-mails, or play video games, You can write in your own journal, but none of the information is allowed to be released for a period of time, that will be determined by natural law, because of the sensitivity of this topic to begin with. The new thing in the future in place of house arrest, will be this type of communication, if your history shows that you have not paid for a crime, then it can be extended with this type of communication. But BrainGate is for people with severe spinal cord damage. Oh, where's the proof of the afterlife?

"If you don't act right, you get kicked off the site"
Proof that someone has said this to you?

This will be the pain and pleasure of the future.
Getting kicked off of message boards?

Imagine I wanted you to scratch my back, because it really itched in this one spot, you might not be able to do it, if I don't give you good directions, but on the other hand you might be able to do it, because you went over everything until you had to find the spot. I understand that you think that I have to give the directions better right now, as I feel you need to put the tools in place, and let somebody else have the power for a while, because they just might luck into it, if nothing else. A lot of discoveries happen that way.We need to put the tools in place? For you?

My goal is not to be famous, but just do what I am suppose to do, and that is spread the word about this possibility, and let you decide if this information is worth exploring or not. this topic was set up to have a place where we can store information about this topic, and the last time I checked, I still believed I had an out of body experience, and medium Lisa Williams still looks like the real deal....and last time I checked, you still are avoiding providing proof.

My idea is free, and you don't have to spend any money.
Then why don't YOU do it?

What are you afraid of about this topic?
What are you afraid of about my questions?

How can you prove my idea wrong with out playing it out as I suggest.
How can you prove any part of your idea?

Why would you not want to try it?
[see above]

I see out of body afterlife in my minds eye as building blocks, filled with the same type of emotions some of you express from time to time.Frustration, disbelief, confusion, wonderment?

If a patient of BrainGate, found out about my idea and pushed to get the opportunity to do it, would you stop them from wanting to try it? How about you first ask the people who made BrainGate first?

My idea snaps together into a reality that won't cost a thing if you support it as the official possibility in this field of science. We build the field and they will come, because this time we are going to train and give better communication directions, and we are going to do it with a belief, because regardless if you never let me get close enough to the patients and inform them of my idea, the odds of a future patient reading this topic, before they have to be a patient of BrainGate is possible as well.Why should your idea be the "Official" possibility? You have not shown any science yet. Read my comments further down.

The word will get out one way or another about how simple and cheep the possibility is, and then a lot of different people will have to decide how they will want it to play out in their life. Do they want to see if we can try and make it a sure thing in our life time or not, or if you just might be the person who can make it happen! Speculation there Tim4848.

Would you sign to try, if there was no pain involved from training and getting your own password. Why do I need a password?

Would you like to be on the ground floor with a direct line, or do you want to be grouped with people who had no way to verify who they truly are.
Why do I need to be verified?

This type of communication will be based on what you planned for, and what you have to offer. What type of communication?

If you have a registered password, or maybe even some back up registered passwords, then you have power in the future afterlife.Why do I need a password?

You have a record showing who you are, and the value and weight of that will make you famous with out ever having to do anything at all, but register in a place far away from Ellis Island, unless you want to make that a key point to meet, because so many people have been able to travel there.So an average slob can be famous because of a record? Why should I register? Why bring in Ellis Island? Why would I want to be there? Ellis Island was set up as an immigration station for people entering into the US.

Yes if you ever want to find a future brainGate, that is set up for you 24/7 in the future, just check out busy places, because that type of energy, makes it easier to communicate.What type of energy? Kenitic?

You are not in Kansas anymore.
Thank god(s). Had way too many bug splatters on the windshield.

Thank you for reading my thoughts.

Tim[/quote]

I believe you have not shown any science here. Wikipedia has the following information on "science" : "Science (from the Latin scientia, 'knowledge'), in the broadest sense, refers to any systematic knowledge or practice." Also, "These groupings [natural and social sciences] are empirical sciences, which means the knowledge must be based on observable phenomena and capable of being experimented for its validity by other researchers working under the same conditions."

So Tim4848, where is your foundation? Where is your proof that there is an afterlife? Where's your proof that we don't reincarnate, disapate, or go to Heaven? Do you have any proof? Have you talked to the BrainGate people? Why haven't you shown up on TV? Why haven't you done anything but whine and plead for help?

And Tim4848, I can handle your empirical proof.

Little 10 Toes

13th December 2007, 10:35 PM

That was not the question, please fill free to explain to me what it would hurt to just try my idea?

The efforts of the BrainGate project to work on living people.

Now answer mine: Where is your emperical proof about the afterlife?

Tim4848

13th December 2007, 10:49 PM

The efforts of the BrainGate project to work on living people.

Now answer mine: Where is your emperical proof about the afterlife?

I was once there

Ron_Tomkins

13th December 2007, 11:21 PM

That was not the question, please fill free to explain to me what it would hurt to just try my idea?

Yup, my hunch was correct.

Thanks for keeping up with my predictions

Ron

Tim4848

13th December 2007, 11:38 PM

Thomas A Edison believed in this idea, and I have no doubt, that he could explain it better than me.

This man had the ability to make things happen, but he never tried this one, because he knew he could not sell it, and at the same time he was talking about the possibility, the President at the time was making fun of the idea, as though he was sending a message, that he did not want this type of opportunity.

Now maybe I am reading it all wrong, but I don't think I was off that far.

Do we want it?

Do we want another country to be able to do it?

My idea is an action, based on things happening for a reason.

Can I summon a ghost right now to make the sensor I have light up right now, but maybe I could if I had trained people in that field from their experiences, to make something happen spontaneous, I do not know, and nobody else as well. It will depend on the thoughts, and actions of other factors at that point.

When Ronald Reagan spoke of his star wars idea, he did not stop and ask if it could be done, or if it follows all the laws of science, he just did it. My idea is based on the best trained patients with the state of the art equipment.

They are learning new things them self's in this field now, because it is still evolving, and just because I turned a few pages a head of what they have not even considered, does not make it impossible. They tried it with the animals, they tried it with the humans, all I am asking his the opportunity to keep it going with potential humans, just in a different form, just like science saids it could be.

It all comes down to friction in my opinion, and friction can be measured.

So you feel you know what is best for the patients, the viewers, because I am a mean old man who you think is an ex-Woodstock religious freak on drugs who thinks he is Einstein.

Please take a moment and imagine if somebody in power wanted to do this idea as well, would you let them?

Forget about me, if somebody else wants to attack this topic with the passion I have toward it, please fill free to do that, and I will be glad to check in on you from time to time, and then I can go back to analyzing other things in life.

This topic is free to anybody who wants to talk about the positive possibilities.

Don't worry about some, who just can't get the big picture of this topic, that it don't matter if we have not answered every question yet, first focus on getting things in place, because we have already loss opportunities with past patients already.

Things happen for a reason, and this idea and topic is no different. People need a place like this, just to ponder the possibilities. I was talking to somebody the other day, who had an OBE from a car accident, I learned all type of information from him, because some of his key experiences, were so much like mine was. The only big difference is how he thinks after having it, he got scared and started exercising and staying in shape, because he never wants to go there again. Now on the same hand, he said he felt good and he had no pain, could it be the isolation of the possibility?

What class of citizen do we treat out of body afterlife?

We don't, I believe by trying my idea, based on people who claim it is real from their own experience. We will treat the patients anyway they would like us to treat them, and we are giving them a commitment that we will only focus on them for now, and see how it plays out.

thought:

I believe that I have brought a lot to the table on this topic already, and I have not been with in miles of the tools I need to make this happen.

Sure when I get with them. I will have some questions myself, but that is just to confirm something that I was already thinking about, so for you to keep driving it home that we have to turn to facts at this point, is pointless to say the least.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Ron_Tomkins

13th December 2007, 11:49 PM

Tim4848

14th December 2007, 12:29 AM

Dude, seriously: Get a life.

Learn how to dance

Take a cooking course

Make love to a woman

Go to the beach

You seem to have devoted yourself to wasting hours typing the longest stupidest posts I have ever had the misfortune to read. If you're gonna do something, go ahead and freacking do it. Do your experiment. Hire your people, run your tests. Just stop talking stupidity about how Thomas Eddison came up with such and such idea and stop lecturing us. You repeat yourself in he most tedious annoying way I could ever witness. If you're not a troll, you sure are the closest you could ever be to becoming the best one at it.

Do not reply to this post.
Thank you for reading my thoughts,

It does not matter what I want., it depends on what you want. I am sorry if you don't know what that is at this time, because you have a life at this time, that sees no need for this type of possibility.

My goal is to keep it simple, and I probably cross over the line of informing and painting pictures and I take complete responsibility for those mistakes.
In my mind I already know the idea is possible, and we can keep it at that, as far as going into details.

There is no way that I have the resources to do this idea on my own, my main goal is to work with the patients, where the moment of truth is, but that would take some effort on somebody part to make that happen.

I guess the bottom line comes down to a vote between who things we should explore the possibility more or do nothing, you decide for this forum.

Have you heard enough or not, some one please fill free to post a survey, so we can decide.

Thank you,

Tim

Smackety

14th December 2007, 01:47 AM

Tim4848:

Neurons do not communicate with each other electrically. It is a chemical & mechanical process. So a pure energy "electrical" mind would have nothing in common with our minds.

It would be concievable to 'read' a mind by sensing electrical activity, in a very rudimentary way (if all the neurons in a specific motor-control part of a person's brain are active, they are probably trying to move!)
Connected to a machine long enough, a person's brain could possibly adapt and learn to control the machine more precisely (experiments with monkeys have interesting implications anyways)

However, this does not imply that the brain is electrical in nature - though there is measurable "neuron firing" activity, this is only a small amount of what is really going on.
Neurons do not 'fire' in order to talk to each other. Neurons 'fire' to send a message along the axon. In fact, Neurons are uniquely insulated by myelin to ensure they do NOT talk to each other electrically.

How are memories from OBE's stored and later recovered?

If you had a pure electrical brain, wouldn't you die if you stopped thinking? Where does the energy go when you are comatose? (i.e. a neuron that is not firing is not dead, just sleeping, but if you ARE electrical...)

How did you convince yourself that any of these ideas have merit? Or are even worth considering?

I do agree that if a person is electrical during an OBE they could activate the brain gate - but they could be detected in other ways as well - why not light up some light bulbs or something?

I think you made an understandable, but false assumption that neuron's communicate electrically and have then gone on to make an unfortunate mistake thinking that our minds can be represented as essentially electric. But in case I am just completely misunderstanding your premise, could you explain how neurotransmitters work in 'electrical' thought?

Little 10 Toes

14th December 2007, 07:04 AM

I was once there

And I built an invisable McDonalds on top of Mount Everest.

Do you have any proof that someone else can look at, because your word so far means nothing to me.

Little 10 Toes

14th December 2007, 09:46 AM

Thomas A Edison believed in this idea, and I have no doubt, that he could explain it better than me.But he's dead. Here's a quote from Wikipedia (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison#Views_on_politics.2C_religion_and_metaphysi cs), "You have misunderstood the whole article, because you jumped to the conclusion that it denies the existence of God. There is no such denial, what you call God I call Nature, the Supreme intelligence that rules matter. All the article states is that it is doubtful in my opinion if our intelligence or soul or whatever one may call it lives hereafter as an entity or disperses back again from whence it came, scattered amongst the cells of which we are made."[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison#_note-Israel)

This man had the ability to make things happen, but he never tried this one, because he knew he could not sell it, and at the same time he was talking about the possibility, the President at the time was making fun of the idea, as though he was sending a message, that he did not want this type of opportunity.Which President?

Now maybe I am reading it all wrong, but I don't think I was off that far.
I think you're reading it wrong.

Do we want it?

Do we want another country to be able to do it?
Nice plead to action.

My idea is an action, based on things happening for a reason.
What things are happening?

Can I summon a ghost right now to make the sensor I have light up right now, but maybe I could if I had trained people in that field from their experiences, to make something happen spontaneous, I do not know, and nobody else as well. It will depend on the thoughts, and actions of other factors at that point.
How about proof of ghosts first?

When Ronald Reagan spoke of his star wars idea, he did not stop and ask if it could be done, or if it follows all the laws of science, he just did it. My idea is based on the best trained patients with the state of the art equipment.Ronnie did not just think up the idea and said do it. It took 4 years for someone else to complete the concept.

They are learning new things them self's in this field now, because it is still evolving, and just because I turned a few pages a head of what they have not even considered, does not make it impossible. They tried it with the animals, they tried it with the humans, all I am asking his the opportunity to keep it going with potential humans, just in a different form, just like science saids it could be.What science "saids it could be"? Who is they? Proof that there is an afterlife?

It all comes down to friction in my opinion, and friction can be measured.
What friction? From where? Surely you can measure friction without a BrainGate?

So you feel you know what is best for the patients, the viewers, because I am a mean old man who you think is an ex-Woodstock religious freak on drugs who thinks he is Einstein.No. I do not think you are Einstein. I do not think that I know what is best for the patients. I think that I know you haven't provided proof.

Please take a moment and imagine if somebody in power wanted to do this idea as well, would you let them?No I wouldn't. Because they, like you, have not provided proof of the afterlife.

Forget about me, if somebody else wants to attack this topic with the passion I have toward it, please fill free to do that, and I will be glad to check in on you from time to time, and then I can go back to analyzing other things in life.I notice you don't say that you will answer questions or provide proof. Interesting.

This topic is free to anybody who wants to talk about the positive possibilities. What about the realistic possibilities?

Don't worry about some, who just can't get the big picture of this topic, that it don't matter if we have not answered every question yet, first focus on getting things in place, because we have already loss opportunities with past patients already.How about just answering a few basic questions first?

Things happen for a reason, and this idea and topic is no different. People need a place like this, just to ponder the possibilities. I was talking to somebody the other day, who had an OBE from a car accident, I learned all type of information from him, because some of his key experiences, were so much like mine was. The only big difference is how he thinks after having it, he got scared and started exercising and staying in shape, because he never wants to go there again. Now on the same hand, he said he felt good and he had no pain, could it be the isolation of the possibility?Nice story. Too bad it can't be proven.

What class of citizen do we treat out of body afterlife?
We don't treat them because they have not been proven to exist.

We don't, I believe by trying my idea, based on people who claim it is real from their own experience. We will treat the patients anyway they would like us to treat them, and we are giving them a commitment that we will only focus on them for now, and see how it plays out.Too bad we can't test other people's experiences. Have any proof?

thought:

I believe that I have brought a lot to the table on this topic already, and I have not been with in miles of the tools I need to make this happen.
What have you brought other than speculation?

Sure when I get with them. I will have some questions myself, but that is just to confirm something that I was already thinking about, so for you to keep driving it home that we have to turn to facts at this point, is pointless to say the least. Wait, facts are pointless, but speculation is ok?

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim
Tim4848, you keep bringing ideas, but have you thought about proving the afterlife exists. Why do you avoid my questions?

Ron_Tomkins

14th December 2007, 12:55 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

It does not matter what I want., it depends on what you want. I am sorry if you don't know what that is at this time, because you have a life at this time, that sees no need for this type of possibility.

My goal is to keep it simple, and I probably cross over the line of informing and painting pictures and I take complete responsibility for those mistakes.
In my mind I already know the idea is possible, and we can keep it at that, as far as going into details.

There is no way that I have the resources to do this idea on my own, my main goal is to work with the patients, where the moment of truth is, but that would take some effort on somebody part to make that happen.

I guess the bottom line comes down to a vote between who things we should explore the possibility more or do nothing, you decide for this forum.

Have you heard enough or not, some one please fill free to post a survey, so we can decide.

Thank you,

Tim

Ooohhh nooooooo Tiiiiim! You replied to my post! I politely asked you not to. Do you know that there is a reason why I asked you not to reply to my post? It's because now I will... have to.... continue this conversation!:D

Stick with me for a while, Tim.

You said that you need us. You need me and other people to run your experiment, right? That's great. You know what? I will join you. I will help you. That's right. I am going to help you and I'm even going to find more people to join you. Can I just ask you one thing before I adventure myself to join you and your Department of Out of Body Possibilities? Do you mind me asking you a very simple favour? This one is actually simpler than the one you asked me. It requires no fancy machines, no permission from Brain Gate, no nanotechnology of any kind. It simply requires this:

-Take a deck of cards
-Pick one randomly without looking at it
-Place it neear your bed
-Take a nap and induce your OBE
-While in the OBE, look at the card

After you wake up, look at the card.

Will you do that one for me, Tim? And please report your results

If you do that, I will join your Department Of Out Of Body Possibilities and together we shall create a revolution of thought. Oh yes, it shall be glorious.

Will you please do that one little favour for me? Please? Pleaaase?

Thank you for reading my thoughts and pleads

Ron

Tim4848

14th December 2007, 07:42 PM

Ron_Tomkins

14th December 2007, 10:55 PM

Dear Ron_Tomkins,

I can not just take a nap and induce an OBE. I have only had one of them in my life time, and it was out of my control.

As unhealthy as I am, I would think my next OBE will probably be my last one anyway. As much tar that is in my lungs from smoking cigarettes, if my lungs ever collapsed during this time, it would take a lot to pull them a part.

I am sorry I can't do your request, why did you feel that would be important to begin with?

Dear Tim:

I assumed you would say something along those lines. It's ok, I still give you the benefit of the doubt. Not everyone knows how to induce an OBE.

Regarding how to induce OBEs, I can suggest you do the following (it has worked for a lot of people):

Wake up one morning at least one hour earlier than you usually get up. Stay awake and if possible, do something for about an hour. Make sure that something requires a lot of mental concentration. Soe arithmetics excercises or Sudoku games might do the trick. When you start to feel woozy and sleepy, go to bed. It will very likely trigger an OBE.

Do the card experiment then.

Now tell me, why do you think that this experiment would be important to begin with? Shall I really not take you seriously as to believe that you can't infer what I'm really after with this experiment?

Thanks for reading my comments

Ron

Tim4848

17th December 2007, 04:34 PM

Dear Ron,

I assume you have done this type of experiment, and you get some type of results from it, but unless you were actually floating out of your body as I was, then it is just an illusion that your mind is playing on you to make you happy.

I have only had one out of body experience in my life, and it was real. I did not want it, and I am sorry if you are having a hard time understanding that.

I'm a true obe, like it or not, and our body has the ability to do it, when it truly feels threaten, and that is probably why 10% of six Billion people have them.

Mt idea on how we can communicate with future out of body afterlife is almost free at first, then it will bring in enough tax revenue to create a surplus.

This is a back up plan geared toward customer service. This type of time share, will continue to grow until it will exceed six billion in potential customers, and that could be with in the next one hundred and fifty years.

Make no mistake, this idea will solve so many different problems that we will have no choose but to have a bigger and better comfort zone than we have ever had before.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

devnull

17th December 2007, 04:54 PM

I assume you have done this type of experiment, and you get some type of results from it, but unless you were actually floating out of your body as I was, then it is just an illusion that your mind is playing on you to make you happy.

ironic.

Little 10 Toes

17th December 2007, 08:39 PM

Dear Ron,

I assume you have done this type of experiment, and you get some type of results from it, but unless you were actually floating out of your body as I was, then it is just an illusion that your mind is playing on you to make you happy.Proof that you "floated out of your body"?

I have only had one out of body experience in my life, and it was real. I did not want it, and I am sorry if you are having a hard time understanding that. But you just said that it could be an illusion that your mind plays on you to make you happy. How do you know that you really had one then? Prove it to me.

I'm a true obe, like it or not, and our body has the ability to do it, when it truly feels threaten, and that is probably why 10% of six Billion people have them. Proof/link of said statistic that could an illusion?

Mt idea on how we can communicate with future out of body afterlife is almost free at first, then it will bring in enough tax revenue to create a surplus.So it's all about money now.

This is a back up plan geared toward customer service. This type of time share, will continue to grow until it will exceed six billion in potential customers, and that could be with in the next one hundred and fifty years. What type of time share? Proof that the afterlife exists please.

Make no mistake, this idea will solve so many different problems that we will have no choose but to have a bigger and better comfort zone than we have ever had before.Here's the biggest problem Tim4848, where's the proof of the afterlife?

Ron_Tomkins

17th December 2007, 08:59 PM

Tim4848

17th December 2007, 10:55 PM

Thank you for explaining that better, but I have no interest inanother out of body experience, and I do not need to buy one for my idea to work.

Thank you,

Tim

Ron_Tomkins

18th December 2007, 11:28 AM

Thank you for explaining that better, but I have no interest inanother out of body experience, and I do not need to buy one for my idea to work.

Thank you,

Tim

You're welcome.

And thank you for your offer to join you in your Out of Body Possibilities Braingate Project, but I have no interest in that. I can trigger my OBEs at any time and I'm not interesting in investing money in the project.

Thank you,

Ron

Tim4848

18th December 2007, 04:59 PM

Silentknight

18th December 2007, 06:33 PM

Um, so--

Is this the thread where I'm supposed to talk about out of body experiences I've had, how they've come about, and the scientific / medical explanations for them? I'm asking because I do have a lot to say about this subject, but from what I've seen of this thread, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere except for a bunch of repetitive pseudo-science and new age mysticism. Also, my psychic (just kidding) intuition is telling me that if I do post details about my own experiences, a certain individual is going to hijack what I've said and try to shoehorn it into his own beliefs.

I have an idea. Send me a down payment on the projected value of my mature investment, and I'll think about posting it. I would have read all 14 pages of this thread, but I think I might have almost died of boredom and suffered an NDE.

Tim4848

18th December 2007, 07:17 PM

Thank you for staying awake and reading my thoughts,

Funny you say that, because that is exactly how I feel.

I came to this site with an idea, bad spelling, and bad grammar.

Now I know how we can communicate with out of body afterlife in a way that can be measured. I explained how we could do it, for just about nothing, and that is where we are at.

If you would like to post other things that is fine, but as far as the idea goes,

it is a done deal, just waiting to happen.

All we need now is the opportunity to try it.

What we really need to be talking about, is how are we going to get the word out about it.

Here is a site I found that can tell you all about out of body stuff.

I just glanced at it myself, but it sure did look awaking, far better than this old boring topic.

http://www.near-death.com/

I am just waiting for a chance to make it happen.

Ron_Tomkins

18th December 2007, 07:31 PM

Invest what money?

Your tax dollars are paying for most of it now, and this has nothing to do with humans having out of body experiences, it is about communicating with future out of body afterlife people, in a way that can be measured.

I don't pay taxes. I'm in the United States with a student VISA. I don't work and so I don't have to declare taxes. As always, you assume without any prior knowledge.

Please fill free to do what ever makes you happy.

I sure as Hell will.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Thanks for reading mine

Ron

Tim4848

18th December 2007, 08:41 PM

Ron, why do I get the feeling you are not going away any time soon.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim:):boxedin::)

Ron_Tomkins

18th December 2007, 08:54 PM

Ron, why do I get the feeling you are not going away any time soon.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim:):boxedin::)

The reason you're getting that feeling is not because I use my free will to keep reading your posts out of pure fun.... but because you actually have psychic powers to attract poor mortals such as myself into these posts.

Thank you for reading my thoughts (Which of course requires Psychic skills)

Ron

Tim4848

18th December 2007, 09:26 PM

The last time I checked, over 50,000 different people have viewed this topic on all the different sites I hang out at.

We have talked about a lot of different things, but slowly along the way, we worked out some of the things, that was keeping it from happening, the help of right brain thinking, and expecting my inner thoughts to take me out of pain and into pleasure, and I honestly feel that we need to send me and this topic to a testing opportunity, and see how it plays out.

At this point in my life, I do not know what you are thinking, as you do not about me as well.

I claim I live in energy, that is going to keep a right and a left to everything I do all my life, as long as I am focused correctly.

It could also be safe to say that we can not know what an out of body afterlife person is thinking about as well. We can assume they are not there, but we are still no closer to understanding their thoughts, than you are of understanding mine. because I am nothing but a piper, that knows where we need to go, I tell you a lot about the topic, but you don't know what makes you happy, what will it hurt to just check out the possibility, and then having me telling you how it is playing out along the way. If I am in Washington, with people like Hillary, or any of the others, you will hear all about it from me.

If I am in Boston, and everybody is talking about how I made extra money for people after I was signed for taking on this responsibility, or even go more generic, and have some body else do my idea, because they went to collage, I don't care just as long as you do it, and if anybody is sending any of the patients of BrainGate Christmas Card, please include to them that I love them and I hope the chance of hanging out with them in the future, and just bond.

Thank you for listening to the softer side of Tim at times about this topic,

Tim

Tim4848

19th December 2007, 10:02 PM

Is there a right and left to everything?

devnull

20th December 2007, 12:07 AM

ok. ignoring you now.

cos

20th December 2007, 05:30 AM

Is there a right and left to everything?
Some things have neither a left nor a right.

A starfish, for instance. :)

Little 10 Toes

20th December 2007, 08:22 AM

The last time I checked, over 50,000 different people have viewed this topic on all the different sites I hang out at.And you're wrong again. Here on this board, it does not count unique visitors, it counts the total number of views. If I view this thread at home and later at work, that's two viewings. And how far have you gotten on those other boards?

We have talked about a lot of different things, but slowly along the way, we worked out some of the things, that was keeping it from happening, the help of right brain thinking, and expecting my inner thoughts to take me out of pain and into pleasure, and I honestly feel that we need to send me and this topic to a testing opportunity, and see how it plays out.We haven't worked anything out. We're still waiting for proof. Why do "we" need to send this topic to a testing opportunity(sp)? You haven't provided anything that can be tested.

At this point in my life, I do not know what you are thinking, as you do not about me as well.huh?

I claim I live in energy, that is going to keep a right and a left to everything I do all my life, as long as I am focused correctly.Claim all you want. Most people live in the real world.

It could also be safe to say that we can not know what an out of body afterlife person is thinking about as well. We can assume they are not there, but we are still no closer to understanding their thoughts, than you are of understanding mine. because I am nothing but a piper, that knows where we need to go, I tell you a lot about the topic, but you don't know what makes you happy, what will it hurt to just check out the possibility, and then having me telling you how it is playing out along the way. If I am in Washington, with people like Hillary, or any of the others, you will hear all about it from me.No, it could be safe to say you haven't proven that dead people exist. Yes, we still don't understand your thoughts. No, you don't know where to go. You still haven't shown up on TV yet with Larry King (remember, you said you would) so how would you be in Washington DC with people like Hillary? I'm still waiting to hear all about your proof.

If I am in Boston, and everybody is talking about how I made extra money for people after I was signed for taking on this responsibility, or even go more generic, and have some body else do my idea, because they went to collage, I don't care just as long as you do it, and if anybody is sending any of the patients of BrainGate Christmas Card, please include to them that I love them and I hope the chance of hanging out with them in the future, and just bond.Big assumptions there, making extra money, signed for this "responsibility", sending cards to BrainGate patients. How about you do something simple, like show proof?

Little 10 Toes

20th December 2007, 08:23 AM

Is there a right and left to everything?
Well, your proof has a right and left side to it.

:mgduh D'oh!! Forgot!!! No proof yet.

Tim4848

20th December 2007, 04:07 PM

Dear Santa,

I really was good this year, regardless what some might say.

You seam to have a right and a left to you Santa, even though some don't believe in you.

Somebody is eating those cookies and drinking that milk.

Did I ever bother to say that my favorite movie of all time is the old black and white version of "Miracle on Th street".

My parents came from the hills of Kentucky, so I know a lot about coal, and if you wanted to talk to somebody, you go out the front door and yell.

Maybe I am wrong, and maybe I am right, but the best way to find out is to get more info out to people from all walks of life and let them explore the information as well, so could you please prove some wrong and get me a Wikipedia page for this topic by Christmas?"

Thank you,
Tim

Little 10 Toes

20th December 2007, 10:02 PM

Tim4848, if your parents are from Kentucky, why isn't English your first language?

Alice Shortcake

21st December 2007, 06:05 AM

We've all been wondering about that for the last six months. I'm inclined to believe that Tim was abandoned at birth, adopted by aliens and brought up in the Twilight Zone. :boggled:

Apathia

21st December 2007, 06:10 AM

Tim4848, if your parents are from Kentucky, why isn't English your first language?

My sister's from Florida. She was raised in the same home as I.
Here's a sample of how she writes:

SORRY I SENT Y0U A E-MAIL BUT I DON' THINK YOU GOT IT. CHRISTMAS WILL BE
HEAR SOON. I HAVE NOT HAD A WAY TO GO TO THE STORE. IT DOSE NOT FEEL
LIKE CHRISTMUS TO ME I HOME ALONE IN MY ROOM. THE ONLY TIME ANY ONE
TALKS TO ME IS WHEN THEY WANT SOMETHIN THEY CANT FIND OR WANT TO
TO LOUD AND ABUSES WHITH THERE MOUTH. I THINK HE TRYING TO BREAK
ME DOWN MORE. HE ACTS LIKE HE IS WORSE WITH HIS BYPLOR DISORDER. I HAVE
NO FRINDS OR NO WAY TO GO ANYWERE I LIKE A CAGE BIRD THAT WINGS HAVE
BE CUT OFF.

I can imagine someone from the hills of Kentucky being poorly educated.
Tim's MySpace page gives some more bio.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=155925829

Tim4848

21st December 2007, 07:59 AM

My parents did say that I passed out when I was only one week old. Y

You think that some aliens might of took my body over at that time, and hit me with an anti-English spell?

Tim4848

21st December 2007, 12:15 PM

What would be wrong with making a Wikipedia page about this topic?

Could you write it?

What would you say?

Please fill free to do it then.

"The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities" is free domain.

It is a reality back up plan that is free to do.

Breaks no laws of science

There are so many different pages that could be added to this topic at that point.

You can have your negative section, you can have your information about why it is not possible, even though I can't visualize any information you could possibly have in that section, but that section will still be there for you if you need it.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Hokulele

21st December 2007, 01:29 PM

What would be wrong with making a Wikipedia page about this topic?

It would make me appear to be an insane person.

Tim4848

21st December 2007, 06:00 PM

At least I am getting a good honest answer from Hokulele.

Why do you feel it would make somebody an insane person, just for helping me get this page started?

Little 10 Toes

21st December 2007, 07:24 PM

My sister's from Florida. She was raised in the same home as I.

...

I can imagine someone from the hills of Kentucky being poorly educated.

Apathia, I did not comment on Tim4848's poor writing skills. I pointed out that he has claimed, "[m]y parents came from the hills of Kentucky". His parents are, at worst, recent immigrants. Tim4848 has stated that English is not his native language, yet he claims he was a manager at Domino's and was a VP of Finance. I am questioning why English is not his primary language.

Oh, BTW Tim4848. Do you have any proof that there is an afterlife?

Tim4848

21st December 2007, 08:35 PM

If you thought holding hands across America felt good, then please feel free to make a page about this topic any way you would like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article

Don't talk about it, don't think about it, just do it!

Thank you,
Tim

devnull

21st December 2007, 10:08 PM

Im confused - why cant you do it yourself?

Hokulele

21st December 2007, 10:46 PM

At least I am getting a good honest answer from Hokulele.

Why do you feel it would make somebody an insane person, just for helping me get this page started?

You cannot produce any evidence that OBE/NDE's are even plausible, yet you want to waste tax-payers' money on using equipment developed for a completely different purpose to try and communicate with dead people. Supporting you in this endeavor would be insane.

Little 10 Toes

22nd December 2007, 08:12 PM

... and it still won't stop Tim4848 from trying to believe in his idea. BTW, have I mentioned he hasn't provided any proof?

Tim4848, any proof on the afterlife?

Tim4848

22nd December 2007, 09:09 PM

You cannot produce any evidence that OBE/NDE's are even plausible, yet you want to waste tax-payers' money on using equipment developed for a completely different purpose to try and communicate with dead people. Supporting you in this endeavor would be insane.
Thank you for reading my thoughts,

You have nothing to fear, but fear it self.

Imagine it has already happened, could you deal with it then?

For my idea to work, you have to think it has already happened, that is the only way you can see the topic correctly, using paradigm.

You can't do that in my opinion until you let your left thoughts think it has already happen. and see how your emotions feel about it.

Imagine I am right, how do you see it playing out from that point?

This question is a key question to solving any problem that you could ever have about this topic, because just by asking that question, you have no reason not to reply to it, unless their is something that you are not telling us. Is it wrong to pretend? Did I break some law?

The bottom line, I can make this idea happen for free. If I had a page on this topic, we would not have to keep answering the same questions, over and over. I have said before that the idea can be done for free.

I hear people say that the Internet is a great place to find deals, well you would think I could get a page some where just for that.

Free, please fill free to scream it if you dare, but anyway you take it, I can do it for free.

Try it and see how it fits. If you are good at doing that over a period of time, then you will be one page closer to it's possibilities.

There is no standard for this possibility, yet it can happen just the same. It is not for you or me to decide if it will work or not. We are counting on trained patients making it happen or not.

To some this is a "I just can't believe it, even if I see it with my own two eyes"

Please let it out!

Now that we can communicate with future out of body afterlife people, how do you want it to effect you?

one good thing about inner right brain thoughts, you never run out of paint.

Relax about it happening, that is a given. What you could focus on, is how you want it to play out in your life,because everybody is different.

Thank you for just having fun with me today, and in case I don't get a chance. You have a Merry Christmas, and many more to come.!

Hokulele

22nd December 2007, 09:21 PM

Pretending is fine, you do not need any help in that. Scamming US tax dollars is not fine. I refuse to condone such an action.

Answer Little 10 Toes question.

Little 10 Toes

23rd December 2007, 02:03 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

You have nothing to fear, but fear it self. And so far you haven't given anyone anything to fear.

Imagine it has already happened, could you deal with it then?
I can imagine anything. However you are wanting to do something real.

For my idea to work, you have to think it has already happened, that is the only way you can see the topic correctly, using paradigm.
So for your idea to work, you have to think it will work. Sounds like you're using faith, not facts or proof.

You can't do that in my opinion until you let your left thoughts think it has already happen. and see how your emotions feel about it.So in order for me to think that you idea could work, I have think that it already has happened? Talk about putting the carriage before the horse.

Imagine I am right, how do you see it playing out from that point? More pretending without facts? You're getting good at this. I could see everyone killing themselves so they can interact with everyone who ever lived. The human species would be extinct. But then again, I'm only imagining.

This question is a key question to solving any problem that you could ever have about this topic, because just by asking that question, you have no reason not to reply to it, unless their is something that you are not telling us. The thing that you Tim4848 are telling us is that you have proof?

Is it wrong to pretend? Did I break some law? No, and no.

The bottom line, I can make this idea happen for free. If I had a page on this topic, we would not have to keep answering the same questions, over and over. I have said before that the idea can be done for free. "...we would not have to keep answering the same questions, over and over" Funny you mention that. Here is my main question: Do you have any emperical proof that the afterlife exists? How about answering that question. If your idea can be done for free, why do you keep whining about it to us and why don't YOU do it?

I hear people say that the Internet is a great place to find deals, well you would think I could get a page some where just for that. You can also find liars, cheats, theives, crazy people, videos, pr0n, warez, hackers, script kiddies, news, opinions, recipies, music, and hoaxes.

Free, please fill free to scream it if you dare, but anyway you take it, I can do it for free. So why haven't you done it. Oh, right, the proof thing.

Try it and see how it fits. If you are good at doing that over a period of time, then you will be one page closer to it's possibilities. Try what?

There is no standard for this possibility, yet it can happen just the same. It is not for you or me to decide if it will work or not. We are counting on trained patients making it happen or not. But before you use the patients, don't you need to show that there is an afterlife?

To some this is a "I just can't believe it, even if I see it with my own two eyes"

Please let it out! Tim4848, I would love to believe it, just show us some proof.

Now that we can communicate with future out of body afterlife people, how do you want it to effect you? How can we communicate? You STILL HAVE NOT PROVIDED ANY PROOF!!!!

one good thing about inner right brain thoughts, you never run out of paint. Which is great if you are a painter. If not, it stinks to be you.

Relax about it happening, that is a given. What you could focus on, is how you want it to play out in your life,because everybody is different. You have not shown that it will happen. I assume you're talking about commication with the dead, and not about the paint thing.

Thank you for just having fun with me today, and in case I don't get a chance. You have a Merry Christmas, and many more to come.!
Any time Tim4848. Oh, how's that proof coming along. I notice that you have plenty of time to write these wonderful messages, but you haven't provided proof. Funny about that.

Tim4848

23rd December 2007, 04:22 PM

Little 10 Toes question:

"So for your idea to work, you have to think it will work. Sounds like you're using faith, not facts or proof."

Yes!!!

I have no more control over our present out of body afterlife people, no more than I have any control over you. All I can do is ask the patients of BrainGate if they would be interested in trying this idea.

If the patients decides to try this idea, and they can reach the sensor in an out of body state, then a procedure will be followed.

Are goal through all of this, is to just wait and let the procedures play out.

None of you have been there to see what abilities you have or you don't have. You may assume a different identity to this situation, but you really don't know, and that is what this free idea can do.

Placing people in the right situation to see it if it is possible or not, because we have a right to know.

Am I hoping that trained out of body afterlife can reach the edge of air, and touch the surface of a sensor and everybody will live happy ever after?

Yes!!!

Little 10 Toes

23rd December 2007, 04:49 PM

Little 10 Toes question:

"So for your idea to work, you have to think it will work. Sounds like you're using faith, not facts or proof."

Yes

How dare you misquote me. You like to twist what people say into your little reality to support your ridiculous idea.

I was responding to the silly thing you wrote, "For my idea to work, you have to think it has already happened, that is the only way you can see the topic correctly, using paradigm. "

So for something to work, I have to image that it has already happened (according to you). So if I want to have a million dollars given to me freely, all I have to do is to think people will give me money freely. Oh, and you have to use paradigm. I don't have to ask people for money, it'll just happen.

Now it's my turn. I notice you CONFIRM that you don't need proof or facts to believe your idea. You have constanly shown that many times by avoiding my question about proof. You believe that your out of body experiance (which you cannot prove that happened) and a "spirit talker" (who can't even accurately talk to dead people) is all the proof you need.

My reply to you is a statement. Not a question. Here's the question:

Do you have any emperical proof that the afterlife exists?

I believe that you are a troll. Your thoughts have brought nothing of value to this topic. You keep on saying the same basic things, "It's free", "You do this work", "Someone pay me", "They say ...", "I just want to make it happen", " What will it hurt".

Where is your emperical proof? Why are you avoiding this question? Is it because you have none?

Thank you for either misquoting me, ignoring the question, or going to site where people believe you at face value.

Tim4848

23rd December 2007, 05:02 PM

No,

All I have if this time is my own personal experience.

Ron_Tomkins

23rd December 2007, 05:11 PM

Dear Tim

Thank you for reading all of our thoughts

Winston Churchill once said that a nation can be built without a foundation as long as all of its members are Roman Catholics.

He actually didn't say that, but wouldn't it be fun if he had?

Imagine a tree. If a tree grows in a plain field without any other trees, do you think the tree feels lonely? What about a tree that grows in a forest filled with other trees? Does he feel in company? Perhaps he feels jealous about the other trees lurking around, trying to steal his thunder.

I believe that believe is a believe.

Did you know that the brain cannot tell the difference between a sneeze and an orgasm?

Right now, there are more than one hundred million people around the world, changing lightbulbs. Think of all that electricity.Think of that possibilitiy: The possibility of changing vases for electricity..... now think of that possibility some more.

Have you ever baked a cake and then realized that it's not your birthday?

I think that life is like a building. Our brain is like the landlord and the germs are the tenants. A building can only be as tall as the genes allow it to. Eventually, the landlord trades some germs for others... the only difference is that the brain cannot control the germs.

Did you ever see that series "The Tick"? He did look a lot like a germ, didn't he?

Right now there is ice melting somewhere in the world. At the same time, there is water being evaporated. Where did all that water come from? Where does it go to? Think of the possibility of water not coming from a place and not going to a place. Now think of that possibility some more..... now think of it some more. Now stop thinking.

Someday we might actually build machines with the capacity of de-building the ones who built them. Maybe we shouldn't build them in the first place.

Did you know that pandas and human beings are the only mammals with unique fingerprints?

Think of that possibility.

Thank you for reading my thoughts

Ron

Little 10 Toes

23rd December 2007, 06:22 PM

So Tim4848. The basic foundation of your arguement (talking to dead people) is based on something you cannot prove (dead people exist or that there is an afterlife). Come back to this thread once you've proven something. You want us to spend time and resources on some pet project of yours that has no scientific backing to? Over 15 pages of wishful thinking and questionable grammer skills gets you to admit that you can't prove anything.

Tim4848

23rd December 2007, 11:42 PM

I believe I said a long time ago that I can not prove it, but that the idea could, based on using patients that are trained on a machine that can communicate with thought.

You keep looking for the egg before the chicken, or the chicken before the egg.

You want me to prove that there are fish in the lake before you will go fishing.

I say that I have been to this out of body state, and science saids energy can not be destroyed, and nobody has yet to show me anything that does not have a right or a left to it, but you seam to have a hard time making the connection. Once a constance, always a constance.

We could back track my topic just to trying to communicate with out of body humans, but that would take a lot of time to do with a lot of different patients, actually costing more money and more time, but if energy can not be destroyed as science say, then an out of body afterlife would be the best person to pick, because they would have the potential to experiment better.

You act as though you are going to see something exciting when the out of body afterlife touches the sensor in a way that will start the communication, but you will not, and at that time it will depend on different factors.

Now sure my idea might be able to work with out other factors, but I always like to expect the worst, so the worst will never come.

some might feel that they have won, because I can not prove something that does not need to be proved to make my idea work.

Please take the time to watch the movie "Back to the future" a few time so you can understand how other factors effect different out comes.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

If this topic was a baseball game, we have not even started the first inning yet.

We have not even started and you have a problem with my line up.

You feel my whole idea, even though it is free to do, should be stopped because I did not prove to you that there is out of body afterlife. Look around, know body has ever proved that, what I am trying to do is go past that, and take care of that at the same time it is tried for free.

Do you understand what I am trying to say?

AmyWilson

24th December 2007, 12:39 AM

It would make me appear to be an insane person.

Out of body experiences are known to happen. They've happened to more than one person before. The only thing insane is acting like they don't happen. Why ignore people?

Hokulele

24th December 2007, 12:46 AM

Out of body experiences are known to happen. They've happened to more than one person before. The only thing insane is acting like they don't happen. Why ignore people?

Good question. Why do you ignore people's responses to your posts?

AmyWilson

24th December 2007, 12:48 AM

Most people's responses here are born in ignorance.

Hokulele

24th December 2007, 01:18 AM

I assume you are implying that I am ignorant in the case of OBE's. Rather than just stating that they exist, can you provide the proof that Tim is so lacking? Wouldn't an attempt to cure ignorance be much more effective than simple trolling?

devnull

24th December 2007, 03:14 AM

Out of body experiences are known to happen. They've happened to more than one person before. The only thing insane is acting like they don't happen. Why ignore people?

Ofcourse OBE's are real, its just that there's a perfectly valid and rational scientific explanation for them.

Tim4848

24th December 2007, 10:33 PM

Thank you Amy!

Tim4848

24th December 2007, 11:00 PM

Dear Amy Wilson,

How do you feel about this topic having a Wikipedia page?

Thank you,
Tim

Ron_Tomkins

24th December 2007, 11:48 PM

Dear Amy Wilson,

How do you feel about this topic having a Wikipedia page?

Thank you,
Tim

There is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_body_experience

How do you feel about this topic having an Uncyclopedia page?:D

(www.uncyclopdia.org, just in case)

Ron

devnull

25th December 2007, 03:49 AM

(www.uncyclopdia.org, just in case)

You mean www.uncyclopedia.org ofcourse.

Tim4848

25th December 2007, 04:01 PM

You mean www.uncyclopedia.org ofcourse.

Works for me,could you help us make one?

Ron_Tomkins

25th December 2007, 04:27 PM

Works for me,could you help us make one?

I would be delighted to

Tim4848

25th December 2007, 04:34 PM

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:China_outlaws_reincarnation%2C_Tibetan_monk s_just_found_out.

It is action like this, why we need "The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities", like never before.]

Regardless how you feel about my idea or not at this time in your thought process is up to you, but please help in any way you can to give other people the opportunity to understand it better and quicker than you had to do.

www.uncyclopedia.org

Some people might believe like China, that we must get in some type of public embarrassment for just talking about the possibility, when there is so many other factors that first must be considered, and considered correctly.

There is no need to ever slow down this topic, or try and lead it a different direction, especially now that we have a plan.

We need to ask every candidate running for office, if they would support such a possibility.

A promise from a candidate, a promise from a patient, a promise from somebody willing to get the

Pain:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/UnNews:China_outlaws_reincarnation%2C_Tibetan_monk s_just_found_out.

or pleasure:

A reality back up plan, just in case.

Have you ever have this happen to you in your life before.

Something that you were so sure of, and then you found out that you were wrong.

Is it possible for the majority to be wrong about anything?

If we are wrong, is it just because we were misinformed like the war in Iraq?

Why do so many people in China believe you can be reincarnated?

If my idea breaks no science laws and it has never been prov en not to be possible, and we can do my idea for free, why not for a long shot?

Tim4848

25th December 2007, 04:35 PM

I would be delighted to

Thank you Ron, how long will it take?

Ron_Tomkins

25th December 2007, 05:53 PM

Thank you Ron, how long will it take?

That depends on how much time are you willing to invest and how broad are you willing to make it so that it encompasses all different theories about the subject.... even if some of them won´t make pretty much no sense at all.

Tim4848

25th December 2007, 09:26 PM

Where do we start?

Ron_Tomkins

25th December 2007, 10:31 PM

Where do we start?

At www.uncyclopedia.org. That's where you start.

You might also want to check this out
http://www.geocities.com/satanicus_2/GodHelmet.html

And... consider the possibility
Consider the possibility of it being true

amb

25th December 2007, 11:58 PM

Im confused - why cant you do it yourself?
Another Perthite. How you going brother? I'm north of the river [Morley]
Hope you'r having a great holliday break. I am, I have stubby by my computor and in air conditioned comfort as I write this. What could be better?
Regards Angelo. :)

amb

26th December 2007, 12:14 AM

Ofcourse OBE's are real, its just that there's a perfectly valid and rational scientific explanation for them.You not only come from the same city as me, you also think like me.
Parapsychologist Susan Blackmore spent half her life looking into this phenomenon and other metaphysical studies, which she abandoned after 25 years of study. She came away been very sceptical of the whole phenomena and absolutely no proof of life after death.

The most probable cause is the brain dying, and making death a more pleasant experience by releasing certain chemicals that make the traumatic event more palatable.

leonAzul

26th December 2007, 02:26 AM

You might also want to check this out
...GodHelmet.html

And... consider the possibility
Consider the possibility of it being true

Why bother with that, when you could go for this:

alexchiu dot com/eternallife/index dot html
:D

Peace,

paul
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy" :)

devnull

26th December 2007, 03:53 AM

Another Perthite. How you going brother? I'm north of the river [Morley]
Hope you'r having a great holliday break. I am, I have stubby by my computor and in air conditioned comfort as I write this. What could be better?
Regards Angelo. :)

Hi!

We escaped to the cinema at Whitfords (Im up in Kingsley). 41C is not fun!

Im sitting here, sweating next to the computer :( What could be worse? :)

Tim4848

27th December 2007, 09:01 PM

Please fill free to add that to the page, if you believe in it. I have no problem with being able to add all type of things to it, because when you add it all up, you just might see the true answer.

I have no religious belief about this topic, but some do, and if that helps them make it work for their back up plan, then they should do that with their back up plan.

This is a face value topic, where others are welcomed to express their point of view as well.

What else would you like to add to the page?

Tim4848

28th December 2007, 08:22 PM

So how are we coming on that page?

What do you need me to do?

devnull

28th December 2007, 09:07 PM

Tim, stop trying to bump your ailing thread. Apparently noone cares anymore.

amb

31st December 2007, 01:00 AM

I wish I could have a OOBE, I feel like a beer but can't be bothered to get up and get one. Now my ghost could.....:D

Tim4848

5th January 2008, 09:28 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Rise and shine and think about my idea, because it is only going to get better.

They say on average that 250,000 people die every day on this Earth, never to be heard from again. Every second we are getting older. Do you want to be like all the rest, and never heard from again?

Do you love to communicate? Somebody must, because they sure do like to buy those cell phones and Internet connections.

I don't know about you, but I sure do feel I live inside energy, and we all know that energy can not be destroyed.

The patients of BrainGate are getting better at communicating on that machine everyday, and that could be a big plus for all of us, if we are willing to give them the opportunity to make my idea a positive possibility.

People are tired of the old way of thinking, and you can see that in the Presidential primaries. They want a new direction, and this topic give them that.

Are you undecided on this possibility, or do you feel you have something better to offer with facts to back it up?

Little 10 Toes

6th January 2008, 02:02 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Rise and shine and think about my idea, because it is only going to get better. Define better.

They say on average that 250,000 people die every day on this Earth, never to be heard from again. Every second we are getting older. Do you want to be like all the rest, and never heard from again? Who is they?

Do you love to communicate? Somebody must, because they sure do like to buy those cell phones and Internet connections. What about the service that the post office provides? Writing is a form of communication.

I don't know about you, but I sure do feel I live inside energy, and we all know that energy can not be destroyed. I don't feel that you live inside energy. I know I don't live inside engery.

The patients of BrainGate are getting better at communicating on that machine everyday, and that could be a big plus for all of us, if we are willing to give them the opportunity to make my idea a positive possibility.
Which is it, do you need them for your idea, or do they need you for your idea?

People are tired of the old way of thinking, and you can see that in the Presidential primaries. Well, that and that pesky 22nd Amendment. Too bad we live in a republic and that the electoral college picks our president.

They want a new direction, and this topic give them that.So just how will this topic change us to that new direction? Be specific and use examples.

Are you undecided on this possibility, or do you feel you have something better to offer with facts to back it up? Funny you mention facts. You have already admitted that you don't have any facts for your point of view.

So far, under reproducable conditions, no one has shown they talk to the dead. The dead have not contacted us. There is no proof of the afterlife.

Tim4848

6th January 2008, 07:44 PM

"Define better?"

Total communication

"Who is they?"

Who do you think they might be?

"What about the service that the post office provides? Writing is a form of communication."

If you are into spending money on stamps, we can do that as well

"I don't feel that you live inside energy. I know I don't live inside engery."

Some just don't get it, and that is o.k.

"Which is it, do you need them for your idea, or do they need you for your idea?"

Both if that makes it easier for you to understand, they call that communication as well.

"Well, that and that pesky 22nd Amendment. Too bad we live in a republic and that the electoral college picks our president."

If nobody voted, they would be hard pressed to do that now wouldn't they?

"So just how will this topic change us to that new direction? Be specific and use examples."

Please take some time and review this topic, because the answers to how to do it is as specific as you will ever need it to be now.

"Funny you mention facts. You have already admitted that you don't have any facts for your point of view.

So far, under reproducable conditions, no one has shown they talk to the dead. The dead have not contacted us. There is no proof of the afterlife."

I am finding new fact about my topic everyday, what are you finding on you end?

Little 10 Toes

6th January 2008, 09:06 PM

Tim4848, it's ok to use the "Quote" button in the lower portion of each message.

(My original responces are in quotation marks)
"Define better?"

Total communication
So your idea is about total communication. With dead people. That you can't prove exists.

"Who is they?"

Who do you think they might be? You mentioned "they" first. You tell me who "they" are and show me where "they" say 250,000 people are dying daily.

"What about the service that the post office provides? Writing is a form of communication."

If you are into spending money on stamps, we can do that as well

You made comments about people buying communication services. I mention other alternatives that people can buy. WHy did you even bring up that topic

"I don't feel that you live inside energy. I know I don't live inside engery."

Some just don't get it, and that is o.k.This particular idea was brought up by you saying that you live in energy. Energy has no weight. Please weigh yourself. If it is anything other than 0, you have weight.

""Which is it, do you need them for your idea, or do they need you for your idea?"

Both if that makes it easier for you to understand, they call that communication as well. Again, who is "they". Communication is the mutuial exchange of ideas (You can't communicate with a rock).

"Well, that and that pesky 22nd Amendment. Too bad we live in a republic and that the electoral college picks our president."

If nobody voted, they would be hard pressed to do that now wouldn't they? In this sentence, who is they? Please go back to your government class and review what the electoral college does.

"So just how will this topic change us to that new direction? Be specific and use examples."

Please take some time and review this topic, because the answers to how to do it is as specific as you will ever need it to be now.
But Tim4848, if you know how to do it, why do you need others to do it for you?

"Funny you mention facts. You have already admitted that you don't have any facts for your point of view.

So far, under reproducable conditions, no one has shown they talk to the dead. The dead have not contacted us. There is no proof of the afterlife."

I am finding new fact about my topic everyday, what are you finding on you end?
This is your crazy idea. Please provide your facts. I dare you.

Tim4848

6th January 2008, 09:38 PM

"This is your crazy idea."

Please provide facts why you feel this way?

I'm still waiting Little 10 Toes.

devnull

7th January 2008, 03:52 AM

Why do people constantly ask other people to try to invalidate their ideas?

Its *your* idea Tim. You must do the work.

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 05:14 AM

I think they do when they call it a crazy idea. I am not looking for respect for me, never have. I do not care if somebody takes my idea and runs with it and makes it happen.

I don't care if somebody new to this sites saids that the first time they come to this site, but from somebody who has been reading this topic as long as they have, just makes my day I guess.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Please provide facts why you feel this way?

I'm still waiting Little 10 Toes.

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 06:27 AM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

I like to think of my self as average, and then I can decide what direction I want to go today. My intent today was to analyze inside.

Example: Inside a CD, even though that disk to us represents different things, and even though it might be shiny at times, the music is on the outside.

Depending on how well it is taken care of, and every generation having the ability to understand it, and use it as they see fit, is a good thing.

I believe that Thomas Edison had an out of body experience once in his life, and probably during the time of being a young child. They say that he never left any notes about his belief in communicating with the dead, and I do not know the exact time he made this claim public ally, but I would have to say it was after he made a recording of a voice in a piece of foil, where it could of started.

Sure I don't say this with facts, but on my journey with this topic, things come to me and after I research it, I find that they are true.

This leads me to my next thought.

The original person, the movie "Rain Man" was based on, has the ability to read pages fast, and remember a very high percentage of what he read.

His ability would not seam possibility,a nd it is surely not normal but it happens just the same, because his brain is designed different than yours or mine for the most part, and we have a responsibility that goes along with it as well.

Sure through out his life he has had to be taken care of in his natural body, but in the future he might play a different part, if given an opportunity to find out more about the inner world that I am talking about.

Energy is all around us, and it can make so many things happen in it, as long as we are allowed to figure out what that might be.

I could walk by you on the street and never know it is you, but with planning I could, regardless where that might be, except in energy, because some might feel a curtain way based on other people who did not know, but it did look like a great opportunity to spread some unknown pain, in case you were thinking of stepping out side the culture they were providing for you, but they don't know any more than I do for sure, but they just did not expect some body like me would come along with a free idea.

Life like this is not a all or nothing deal, unless you can provide facts. It still might be a Murphy law thing, even if it was a fact, which it is not.

I just have a hard time trying to understand what it would hurt to try, especially since it is free.

Back to Rain Man:
If we did not see it for our self, we would never believe it, but it happens. Now lets just say, that he lives inside his brain different, and in this different mutation, he his also able to live in his thoughts after he dies.

What if he read about this on the Internet and kept a mental record of it, so he can check it out later in case he wants to try it. e remembers where the BrainGate will be located, and he will give it a try. Maybe even somebody like Dr. Steven Hawkins, who has been great with machines his whole life might want to try it. He already has practice with gravity just lately, or what about all the people who have trained at NASA, or all the soldier who were not afraid to fight for our freedom to make smart decisions like my idea, because it is free and all it takes is to suck up some pride, until it don't work, and then you can make me the town clown if you like.

Thank you for reading about the life and times of Tim in 2008.

We are only one patient away from making history, do you want to ask them or should I?

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 07:47 AM

How about this?

I get permission to drive up there to Boston, and I tell the patients all about my idea, and then they can decide for them self's, if it is worth trying or not, and just by some reason they decide to give it a try, then I work with them as long as they feel they need me, and we only use BrainGate one day after their death at some point in the future.

I would settle for this, if given the opportunity.

I see them one day, I tell them about it, they decide at some point if they will do it or not, and if they do, they leave the BrainGate machine on one day after their death, in respnce to the patients past wishes, if that turns out to be the case.

I could walk away from this topic on that possibility, just a open door to a possibility, that is all I ask.

I have been there, I did not stutter, I have been there, I have seen it, and I understand how it works, yes I was a passenger that got off this out of body experience and analyzed it in so many different paradigms that it would make your head spin.

Mind mapping the possibilities, and doing it in a positive way, and if I have to continue to give, in order for it to happen, I will, my heart and soul, that is how much I believe in my inner thoughts.

I know for a fact that you can never be harder on me with words, than I can with my inner thoughts.

Have you ever seen a umpire or a ref, make a bad call. Did you know it to be fact?

How much time did you have to see it? Did you see it the same as the umpire?

I had a long time to see my experience, and it was no dream, no more of a dream than the one we are all in right now, while being a wake.

Yes, the energy that is touching you in space, that some call air, every atom at will to tough you right in the face if I am right, and there is not one thing we can do to stop it, and that is life, but having an opportunity like this carries risk, just like anything else.

How bad can a disk get, before you can not understand it anymore?

How hard is it for evergy, that is a friction, to communicate with other energy in machines like BrainGate.

If I was given the chance to be in that same state as I was once before, I would like the opportunity to try and touch a sensor, and try and see a monitor with a cursor that might move if I think about it. I would love the opportunity just to try it from time to time, just to see if it could be done. I could live the rest of my life feeling good all over if this was a possibility, becauce as a country that seams to spend a lot of money on so many different things, the last time I checked for just one year, our Government spends 76 million dollars on research and development. That is a lot of money, yours and mine.
Sure I might be crazy for having a free idea on mine, and sure maybe a few people who might at least feel they would like the chance as well, could get that chance, but only if it is o.k. with everybody else.

Would you like a chance to make history some day in a state where everybody has already written you off for gone?

Think about it, and let me know in some way?

As a child I had rheumatic fever, I would of been in the second grade. I was couch ridden, they had to send a tutor to our house to work with me. I still have the coffee table that I use to write on as a child. Anyway after I went back to school, it just was never the same. I just didn't have that same old connection as before. During that whole process, I had a lot of time alone to analyze, and dream.

I realized something over the holiday, families need to know, family tree's need to know.

We owe it to our ancestors, and we owe it to our DNA. This is not rocket science, this is placing things in place, and seeing what happens, because it is now so easy to do.

We have come to a possibility that is so easy to do, a cave man could do!

In closing:

I offer my fact with a patient and time, regardless how long that time might be, or if any patient ever does it, becauce it will always be free to any patient of BrainGate or any other device in the future. You can post it right up there with all new mininum wage changes, and if by some chance the thing happens, and more hope is spread about the possibility, or at least the interest in it, because it is free, and nothing is free anymore, and on and on, and then we can move on to the next part of the possibility.

I am only as good as what I have to work with at any point in my life, and I am always open for changing my belief's, if someone could explain to me that it is not so. Until that time, let's stop wasting time and let them know, and see how it might play out.

What is so fragile that this can not be done yesterday, in passing, if nothing else?

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 08:38 AM

After careful consideration, I believe we need to start taking a vote on this possibility, and see over this year, how people feel about the possibility. If you don't believe it, don't attack me, explain why you don't believe it, please feel free to give facts or emotions if you like.

How do we go about doing that?

Three different answers

1) Try the idea, what could it hurt.

2) Say no to Tim's crazy idea, and let some other country worry about it, and who really cares about our Homeland security anyway.

3) Undecided, still trying to figure out what Tim is babbling about.

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 08:47 AM

The early polls are showing that Little 10 Toes might pick:

3) Undecided, still trying to figure out what Tim is babbling about.

It is still to early to tell, their is so much of this year left in that department.

Thank you for putting up with all these thoughts today.

I feel like I am in Pleasentville or something, I offer one on the biggest discoveries of all time, at a cost that would is easy, and where does it go from here, but a vote for now, and see where that takes us, and then go from there with a page explaining everything we turn in as evidence, and then file it and see how it plays out.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 02:57 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

It can only get better!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Department_of_Positive_Out_of_Body_Possibiliti es

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 03:07 PM

If somebody knows how we can save this first page on this topic, I could sure use your help right about now, if not I will try again when I have more time myself to focus on it.

Thank you,
Tim

devnull

7th January 2008, 03:51 PM

wow.

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 04:20 PM

They say I can't make the page, since I am the author of the topic, and not a very good one at that, but what can you expect anyway with a writer strike.

Where are we at?

Is it not fair to place the idea out there, and let more people decide how they feel about it, sense it could go both ways, basing that on the fact that there is an inside to everything, and energy to that inside can not be destroyed.

In reality, all I am doing is creating a fantasy football type of situation. One that can be built on year after year.

Example:

Lets say I lived in this isolated area, and I was able to talk everybody into my idea. That would be wrong on both of our parts. People need to be informed about this idea and see if it works for them, and if it does not, then why, so we can have a chance to change it.

First you need the game "Fantasy afterlife"

Then you need the guidelines for how you want it to play out, just like the game Monopoly.

My idea is based on being a placebo effect, just in case the opportunity presents it self. just like the ignorance people experience during a major hurricane.

50% of us, and that is me included, live unhealthy life styles, because the news is saying that they can't afford for us when we get older.

I don't want to worry if I can put food on the table later in life. News should not scare us as it does. Making us afraid of everything, what type of life is that?

If my idea works, a lot of these type of problems could finally get better.

I once heard this man had this idea on how they could lower the level of a hurricane.
Never heard anything else.

I once heard they made a tire that never goes flat.
Never heard anything else.

I once heard that 250,000 people die everyday on average.
Where do I find that information on the Internet?

I once talked about a scientist who claims that young kids who have out of body experiences has the potential to be like Einstein, Edison, and so on.
Does anybody remember where I could find that information again?

Thank you for reading my thoughts in a hurry,

Tim

LazyPint

7th January 2008, 06:17 PM

At the risk of creating a flood of confusing analogies of analogies (of analogies?), I will risk a few questions.

Tim4848, I understand (but may be wrong) from this thread that you are proposing an experiment to prove out of body experiences. You intend to use a technology called BrainGate for this experiment. As far as I understand, BrainGate is a machine that allows users to control a cursor (or robotic limb) to follow their instructions.

If BrainGate detects user input from sensors implanted into the brain, how could it detect input if the user was having an Out of Body Experience? What sort of input would you expect from such a user? Would this user ideally be having an OBE or would they actually have to have died recently in order for your experiment to work?

I would appreciate coherent answers to these questions, not more questions. If my understanding is flawed in any way, please point it out, along with appropriate citations. This of course goes for any member of the forum.

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 09:07 PM

That is a good question Lazy Point.

I would like to have the opportunity to train the patients they have on this possibility after they die, hopefully of natural causes and there is no time limit on when that would happen.

I want them to have the confidence and the experience now, and hope that opportunity carries over to my idea.

Yes they are having to go to or inside the skull now to make it work, because that is what they feel is their moment of truth, or the best place where they can get the kind of results they need right now. I would like to think this part of it will become more customer friendly in the future, as most things do, after you get so much different data, but regardless if that part of it happens or not, that is what they are doing right now to make it happen. they are going inside a human to make it happen now, what I propose, is that after they are in a potential window, be it 24 hours or longer after death, that they might be able to work with this sensor on an out side level. because the brain will not be in the way, so by leaving the machine on after their death, and trying different sensors, that their might be enough of a friction in this state, for this type of measurement can take place from the patients effort, if it is possible.

Is out of body afterlife, like that of a fire work, after it begins to disappear in the dark, or does it stay together based on it's weight and density, to an environment that could support such an activity, just as well as it is able to handle other type of things.

A micro can be dorm-id for ever it the conditions are not correct, and they use a lot more substance and friction than what I am suggestion.

In my personnel life, I know a lot of people friction, and I respond to that. What I am suggesting in on a much smaller scale, but we do have a work history, and we now have tools that our focused on this type of opportunity.

I can look at a CD all day, and never hear it make music, regardless that I know it is capable of doing that.

There is so many things that we do not know, but unless we are willing to try them, we will never know.

I hope I explain it enough for you.

I am sorry that I must continue to advertise, but I am reminded that I have no value as a person, and if I don't sell it with some kind of razzle dazzle hook, it just don't sell it self.

This topic effects everybody comfort zone right now, because they don't see how it might play out yet, and we don't even know who are next President might be.

What do you have to lose if I am right or wrong?

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 09:40 PM

Murphy law tells me, because of the writer strike, that a lot of writers have had an opportunity to review this possibility, because they have some extra time to get out and see things. Now maybe I am wrong, and they are just focused on the comfort zone of their situation, and they make it a policy not to look for their own stories.

What am I to do?

How do we start this vote thing.

This would be a good year to vote on this idea.

Is there anybody from New Hampshire, that would like to vote about this topic today?

Tim4848

7th January 2008, 10:22 PM

thank you for reading my thoughts:

In the debate yesterday, they talked about how the voters are looking for change. Their is not one candidate up there is offering the kind of change this topic is offering.

My idea takes us in a new direction that we just never think about, and it has the potential to happen fast.

Have you ever heard them talk about aliens, and how they felt that they would be more advance than us. If this is true, what other options do we have than to try this, because it would bring balance to everything.

Imagine if you could actually see out of body afterlife, and taking in to consideration how many that might be, leaves us wondering if we would really want too, and that concern about what they see in our home, is a law that is already on the books for anybody who would behave like that on any type of media, would be measured, trained if possible, or even banned.

I think a lot of people worry about evil spirits, and that is fine, because security to a fisher price connection will be a key, so trying different ways for this to happen will always be considered, but only at the wishes of the patients.

This idea of mine is nothing more than a follow through to something

Have you ever tried something just to see what it might do?

Did it work?

Did you keep on trying to make it work?

Did you go to bed on a problem, and part of the answer came to you the next day. How about this process ever since 2005. Everyday I try and set a little time for this topic, just in case it can happen.

Some feel it is not possible, because somebody would of already done it some how, or hey would show them self on television, but I don't believe that would be the case, and I have gone on and on about why I don't feel that is the case.

A CD does not play on a record player, the set up is different in software only, not in other area's that are consistent with friction, except in the energy. We know of nothing that might be in it, so some might call it God, as others might feel it don't exist, but I venture to argue, because inner energy, such as the inner thoughts of all of us, occupy space, and once released in the invisible force of space, will be dominant to the static field.

Imagine you are a fish of energy, equal to your new environment, except now you are still caring the same thoughts you had before, but you have no direction to use it.

This field is so new, most people don't know anything about it.

They could make a sitcom about the possibility.

A family offers to help with the study, so they find every family member up their family tree, and they all want to communicate with that family. In laws who are allowed under this experiment to just dog them for everything they do, and you can even have some famous people from the past putting their two cents as well.

This is now public domain, use it next season if you ever finish your strike.

They talked about in the debate, about protecting our borders. My idea covers that quite nicely, by using out of body afterlife in harms way, if they elect to want to do that for their family tree, and then see what happens to them, if something happens and we lose contact with them.

When I was in that state, you felt perfect, because you did not have the weight of the body.

You also do not have the education for such a situation.

In the movies, people think you actually see a ghost. My idea does not go to that type of situation. it goes to the transfer of energy in a way that might be measured.

You remember as a child how the sparks would happen under our miniature cars, as they raced around a electrical track?

Or how we would listen to our electrical football tables would vibrate as the football player went around in circles, caring that little beige Cotton football, those were the day of vibration an adjusting it to meet our needs at that time, as I believed the out of body looked on.

There are other issues that the candidates are talking about that can be fixed with this topic as well, please fill free to list what you think they might be. Think down the road and out of the box, you can do it!

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Go Ohio State!!!

If anybody would be interested in playing me in some sport on Pogo some time, please tell me what time is good for you.

I am trying to loosen up more this year

devnull

7th January 2008, 10:56 PM

I am trying to loosen up more this year

Yeh, it looks like it.

amb

8th January 2008, 05:09 AM

A lot of better people than you or me have studied the phenomenon of OBE.
None has as yet proven a life after death. All that's known is that the brain, even though may be flatlining on a monitor, may still be somehow having, or sending ever so slight brainwaves.

Tim4848

8th January 2008, 04:24 PM

Who have studied it like I am saying?

What did they try that is anything close to what I am suggesting?

If they have found that the brain is sending ever so slight brain waves after death or an out of body experience, I would love to hear more about it, where could I find that type of information?

Tim4848

9th January 2008, 05:08 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Mind mapping:

An actual picture paints a thousand words

Can somebody paint a picture with out having to use a thousand words, and still get the effect of a real picture worth a thousand words.

Explaining a picture good, opens the door for other opportunities, because others can see it, touch it, and feel it, and then they are more open to act on it.

I don't know about you, but we are working our President way too hard. We need to help him out. that is what my idea is planned to do. Make problems go away, so they can focus on other things that can help our country.

If I was given power to make my idea a reality, and I achieve that goal. My next goal would be to give this opportunity to everybody else, who wants it.

You don't have to read this topic long to see I do a lot of things my way. Jobs are created in the private sector based on what the Government is doing.

If they make it, that you have to separate everything you throw away, to the point, that you would have to hire somebody, to separate it, then they can do that. How low can they go?

My goal if I am elected in my own mine, or as you can do as well, saves time on this topic in the long run.

Mind mapping is a very explosive tool for making changes in the world we live.

Please take the time to pretend you are the president, and you won the election on my topic. People want a change, and they really don't care that much about your's or my education, but they do want you to make my idea work.

Now, if you are having trouble with that problem, you can always imagine that you just hired me to make it happen in your mind. You give me a window that passes your two terms in the office, then if it does not happen while you are in office, you can always blame it on somebody else, but what if I do it while you are in office?

We are talking about your legacy as President:

Eliminating most wars, if not all of them.

Eliminating most crimes

Fixing the energy problem

Fixing most terrorist problem

Fixing most wild life problem

Fixing most suicide problems

Fixing elderly problems, that might be hurting now

Helping our economy and the world economy as well, because things will be so safe, that you will welcome people from other countries to come to our country, because a lot of them will be taking your jobs, and you will be glad, because you are retiring, and spending the rest of your life doing what ever you want, because you will be worth a lot of money.

Yes if my idea happens in this great country of ours, you will be rich in so many different ways.

If you think the ever ready bunny is doing good, you ain't seen nothing yet.

Evil on this Earth is out of balance and it can not be measured anymore. In the debate, they talked about one of our cities being blown up by a nuclear weapon. My idea could stop that problem, if I am given the opportunity to do it.

Evil in the afterlife can be measured and kept in balance with good communication and planning.

Ronald Regan used Star Wars to bring down a wall, and my idea can do that too.

Would you hire an out of body afterlife to protect your borders and help your president in any part of this world, if it could save live, or fix all these problems that you feel are important?

I can't make you happy, if you don't know what makes you happy.

Now some might feel I am a nut, and you are more than welcome to feel what ever you feel, but people who know me, might argue with that.

I want to focus more on this topic this year and every year after that until the day I die of natural causes I hope, but my day job wants me to focus on them right now.

What do you think I should do?

Married2aWooster

9th January 2008, 06:08 PM

...(snip)... What do you think I should do?
Keep doing exactly what you're doing now, ...well at least until you're banned for pointless thread bumping. Maybe that's encouraged here, I'm a Noob, what do I know? ;)

Tim4848

9th January 2008, 06:11 PM

Thank you, I think.

Tim:)

Tim4848

11th January 2008, 09:50 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts.

The link below takes you to one of medium Lisa Williams sites.

Unless something as changed at that link, you should be able to see my topic there.

http://lisawilliamsmedium.squarespace.com/display/Search?searchQuery=The+Department+of+Positive+Out+ of+Body+Possibilities&moduleId=1789121

She has nothing to hide, and neither do I.

That is a given, what we really have our gifts that connect together. I see the big picture and try and make it happen, and she works the field with the patients, building what some would believe would be some type of placebo, and at first it might seam to be that, but once the idea works, her proof and mine will be in the results.

I have no doubt, that if Lisa found out about my idea, that she would be the first one in line to support it, because she is that type of person. I have no doubt, that she could track down all the past patients of BrainGate, and if you would like, we could try and communicate back with them, if red tape is cut, and me and Lisa Williams was allowed to do that.

This is Lisa Williams chance to be a legacy to the world if she would like, because she is the one to do it, if she elects to do it at some point in the future. I think if she ever does a world event, she should add this possibility as well.

Just a thought, what do you think?

Tim4848

12th January 2008, 06:47 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

It is Saturday night and I am off work until Tuesday, so if you have any questions about this topic, I will be more than glad to answer then the best I can,

Tim

Tim4848

13th January 2008, 05:19 PM

Who does this remind you of?

Claircognizance:claircognizance meaning clear knowingness.
Claircognizance is "clear knowingness". This strongly represents the
feeling of 'you just "KNOW it", no one has to tell you this, you just
KNOW it!" That is how it makes you feel, as there are no words spoken,
your whole body confirms this with the knowledge of the information just
there. This directly comes from God through the Holy Spirit Energy
and transfers down through your Crown of Life Chakra (7th Chakra) and it
is instantly given you so that it is there right inside your mind
instantly. You can use this wonderful gift and it truly is a gift for
another's benefit which will aid them depending upon the importance of the
information. Sometimes it is a kind of wa rning, other times it is a
future prophecy of things.

This ain't no thinking thing on my part, it all comes to me in pictures.

Tim

Alice Shortcake

15th January 2008, 11:14 AM

This ain't no thinking thing on my part, it all comes to me in pictures.

Tim

A sig if ever I saw one...:)

Married2aWooster

15th January 2008, 11:20 AM

A sig if ever I saw one...:)

Done....

+1

Tim4848

16th January 2008, 07:18 PM

Nice to see that this topic is still on the front page with out my help.

A free back up plan

I hear a lot of people are only worried about what they were not able to do for their families before they die, and if that is the case. We need to talk.

Imagine you are in a car sliding on ice and going toward a ditch. At this point, you are out of control, trying anything you can, but it don't look good.

Now if you had more time to plan, you could of gotten better tires, drove slower, chains for your tires, a number of things, maybe a class on defensive driving.

That is what my idea is about. It is not a last second thing. A lot of planning has to go into making it work correctly, and all of that is free.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Tim4848

20th January 2008, 07:16 AM

Aepervius

20th January 2008, 10:40 AM

I propose ' "I-haven't-got-a-shred-of-evidence, but-I'll-go-against-all-logic-and -require-skeptic-to-disprove-me, instead-of-proving-my-claim"-out of body experience ' as a thread title

tsig

20th January 2008, 01:38 PM

I propose ' "I-haven't-got-a-shred-of-evidence, but-I'll-go-against-all-logic-and -require-skeptic-to-disprove-me, instead-of-proving-my-claim"-out of body experience ' as a thread title

How about " I get all my good ideas in the bathroom" for obvious reasons.

He wants to train dead people.

tsig

20th January 2008, 01:40 PM

Tim4848

20th January 2008, 05:28 PM

Wild fantasy, B.O.O.B.S, where are we going with this idea today?

Please stay focused, eye of the tiger, this buds for you, that kind of stuff.

After long hours of thought, I am now offereing Ten Dollars to the first person who can prove that my idea can not work. I had to dig deep for this challenge.

Loss Leader

20th January 2008, 05:47 PM

After long hours of thought, I am now offereing Ten Dollars to the first person who can prove that my idea can not work. I had to dig deep for this challenge.

You don't even have an idea.

Send my ten dollars to the JREF.

devnull

20th January 2008, 05:49 PM

whats with the pointless bouncing of this thread?

Keep your $10 and go prove it to yourself. If you are so sure it works, go do it! Why are you hassling us about it?

amb

21st January 2008, 03:52 AM

What do you think about changing the name of my topic to this?

"First off, you need a better title. Something catchy.
'Bureau of Out Of Body Study' would be a good one. Every student would like working with B.O.O.B.S. DPOBP just doesnt evoke the interest that BOOBS does. BOOBS is one of the most used search terms."
What is it that makes grown men go ga ga over mammary glands. I can never understand it. But getting back to topic. What it should be called is the study of '' wishful thinking.''

Tim4848

22nd January 2008, 07:43 PM

"Why are you hassling us about it?"

I am working on informing you about it, because I can see it, touch it, and feel it, now you on the other hand, might not want to be a part of this topic, if it upsets you so. The best way I could see if you don't want to be hassled about this idea would be to review what topic are here at this site, and pick one that does not say,

"The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities"

Please take a moment to possibly lay down, and keep tabs on your blood preasure, what part of this idea stress you so?

Do you feel you know everything?

Do you feel that you are losing some type of power by allowing this type of possibility to happen?

Be honest, is there somebody in the afterlife, that you are afraid is going to want to talk bad about you?

Who is it, don't waste our time by acting as thow you are fired up, when you have nothing, let me repeat that again, that you have nothing that saids it can not be done, because you don't even know what I am trying to do anyway, because you are always asking the wrong questions.

Please fill free though to think twice before you pick this topic, because it will make you out to be a Lobster, just trying to bring another lobster down.

Would you like to hear that story again or what?

Maybe it is wishful thinking when you get out of bed every morning as well, but we do it.

Maybe it is wishful thinking in everything we do,sinse wishful is a right brain activity, and we use the right brain in everything we do.

Is this the best arguement you can put tward a topic that will only make your life better.

As a famous General of America once said, and I would love it if somebody could tell me which one did say it. It is the one that helped in New Orleans.

"Stop thinking stupid."

My idea is free to anybody, and i could even help in setting it all up for free as well.

What do you have to offer other than you keep going to a topic that makes you feel stress, and you don't know why.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

P.S. Maybe check out Big Foot site. The woods are so peaceful!

amb

23rd January 2008, 01:59 AM

If that lecture was aimed at me, I'm not hassling anyone. I stated my beliefs. There is not a shred of evidence for out of body experiences. Remember, this forum has a challenge to anyone who can prove what you claim to put it up for scientific study, and if proven you collect one million dollars plus all of my assets as well. All up you stand to collect at least one and a half million dollars. I challenge you. Go for it.

Ron_Tomkins

24th January 2008, 12:31 AM

Just for the record, it's not your idea. Lots of people have had crazy ideas regarding OBE experiments even more excentric than that one.

Why don't you just go here (http://www.saltcube.com)?

They'll sponsor you for sure. I'm serious.

amb

24th January 2008, 04:42 AM

Tim4848

24th January 2008, 10:31 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Thank you Ron for that link, I will try and check it out real soon.

I have no doubt that other people have tried to make this happen, and the challenge that this site provides really does not work well with my idea.

At this time my idea is plan for the future with patients that don't even know it yet.

My goal is to paint a picture about the idea better, and give everybody a chance to be on the same page with it, if they elect to do that, and get a joint effort from a lot of different people to make it happen, and they don't know about that as well.

Regardless what I have said about this idea in the past or how good I set it or not, really is nothing more than sand at this point in the possibility, it will only get better in the future when the masses become a part of it as well.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Tim4848

30th January 2008, 07:50 PM

I think I finally figured out why we need to try my idea number 101.

The families of the patients of BrainGate.

Would you like me to explain?

devnull

30th January 2008, 08:29 PM

no.

Tim4848

30th January 2008, 09:42 PM

why?

Tim4848

31st January 2008, 12:19 AM

After 10 pages on this site alone, please give me the opportunity to explain it better to you.

the patients that I would like to use for my plan, are human just like you and me, and they sacrifice a lot everyday, and I would like to thank them for that, and to their families that love them and only wish the best for them might like to have some say in my idea as well, and they just might get up set if they found out later that they could not be a part of this idea later in life.

Is it fair to them, after all they have sacrificed already, to have an opportunity to try something that has never been tried.

One of these BrainGate patients, were the first inner space astronaut in this field, and he could of been the first one to try my idea from start to finish as well, but he did not. Not because of neglect on anybody part, the idea was not thought up at that time, but it is now. I only wish you had the time to listen to what he had to say about the whole process with BrainGate. He said it saved his life, and he was ready to commit suicide, if it was not for BrainGate. Some people just has not had the time yet, to really think about not having some option in the fast pace life we live in.

This idea is not out in right field, not by a long shot. Thought has friction, and friction can be measured.

If I was the husband to one of the patients of BrainGate, and I found out later that you could of left that machine on a little longer after my wife died, and possibly, she and I could still communicate. I would be surprised more that you did not at least give me some consideration if we wanted to be a part of that or not.

After all we have done to help this field get better everyday, and you can't even get an employee discount. I would be totally surprised. I would think that some would probably get an expensive lawyer just to see if they could make some money off of the mental stress alone, and then the company will have to put a new line in their contract with the patient, telling them that they can never try Tim's idea, because they don't like it.

There is a lot of things that I do not know, but this idea of mine is an easy one.

Left brain people by nature, wants to see data, facts, prove, evidence, and all that is fine, because my idea can answer all that, but in the process of making it happen as well.

I plan on real humans who must decide if they would like to try this, and then, and only then we go to the next step.

Imagine I am the only person in this town that can hear anything at all, but I am also the only one in the town that can not see. How would we communicate?

BrainGate for one just right off the top of my head.

Don't make this idea any harder than it will already be, if we don't begin to take it more serious, in a time where we have to explore everything, just like they do every second at the airports, looking for every new idea to come down the pike, and hoping on their shift, that everything works out right today, because regardless if you were the flight controller on a 911 day, you want to do everything you can about anything you can when ever you can, and once you feel it is safe, you go over it again and try different things, but always remembering why you are doing it. Because every second we have let our guard down as the greatest nation on Earth, we have either been sold bit by bit, or attacked. I understand to some that my idea might sound like a stretch, but I would bet cell phones were at one time as well, and they sure do make good terr est weapons as well. It is called communication.

I understand that I get blunt, and you can probally feel my passion at times, but regardless how I inform it, your inner thoughts are going to have to decide if this is a pain or pleasure for you. I understand that some still don't get this idea, and that our communication might be like that of a badly tuned radio station, but I really think, if I was given the opportunity to try it. that the world will keep going, people will keep doing what they do, and a procedure changes in a field, that just never was thought up before.

I wear gloves in fast food, because I understand why it is important, and I try my hardest to respect every person I interact with through time, and regardless what my assumptions might be, why other people don't seam as excited about the possibility, just floors me, ex specially if my wife was a patient of brainGate, and I was really put in that situation.

I understand that people don't like change, and let me prove it.

Imagine I talked to our President today over the phone and he saids that he wants every American who has a flag pole with the American flag on it, to bend that flag pole north in honor of my idea, and he saids thank God we have people like Tim who is at least willing to try something, in a time that when we are just waiting for one of our towns to possibly get attacked, and not have a way to stop it. that in it self, would make me reconsider my idea a lot more.

Am I the Rambo what ever number to this possibility, I don't know any more than you do, but somebody has to do it.

You know what I mean?

Some body doing a job bad, and you feel you could do it better.

If you ever get a chance, read the book "The Joy of Working" It will really change your life. I imagine it is still in print.

I don't know if you have noticed on my links, I usually never use much drama, but tonight I have, and that is only because we really do need to start pushing our flag poles over, so when it springs back, we are just a little closer to making it a reality.

Example, if you are talking about easy possibilities in life, this idea is one of them, trust me on that.

I am a empathy person, i care more about other than they care about me, and I like it that way. I don't care about things for me, very few things matter through out life, that you really need, and for most of us, staying out of the spot light is the place to be, and if I had my choice, I would as well, but I have to do just about ten percent more than some, because if I don't do it my self at this point. it will not be done. My goal is also to inform so other can fish on their own correctly.

Before my late grand father died on my mom side. Who lived behind Home Place in Ary Kentucky. He taught me this magic trick with one piece of string, and for the longest time, I never showed anybody it. I have never seen any magician do it, but it is really one to see. It took me the longest time to really understand how it works, and I was the one doing the trick.

I can not explain the trick correctly to you in this string, on this topic, no more than I ever put my hands on my wife back, when she wants me to scratch a spot. Only she knows where it will feel good, only you know what makes you happy, not me.

What do you perceive that could be bad, and give me a chance to respond.

How would you like it to play out, if you did find, you could still have thoughts, and see in that type of situation?

In closing:

Leave it to Tim, to want us to stretch and grow like our next President should be doing.

My dad always said, that you should never talk about politics or religion, and the good thing about this topic is? It cames before everything else, because it is the most important possibility, based on so much new information in the field, and knowing that field is growing everyday as well, and to be left behind, not because of wage issues, likes the ones that makes companies go to other countries.

They say that 200 of the wealthiest people, have more money than 2 billion people like me.

I have no problem with that, but we still do need to make sure us 2 billion are just as happy as well.

What would make me happy?

The satisfaction when you are happy because my idea was right. Nothing more, but to be a part of it from training with the patients, to being there when the true moment of truth happens.

I saw the will of Pete Rose when he ran down the first base line as a kid, seeing that he never let up, even when other players could see that they would be out. Not only did he not give up, he would even lose his helmet from time to time. Did he will him self to a situation where he made records, that could be measured by us, only when he did it. Yes, and I learned a lot of good from him, and for got the bad.

We are not perfect, but we also show, that we can do anything, if we focus on it.

Pete focused on one thing, getting hits and running for them, and was very good at it. Now on the other hand, he was not focused.

O.J. Simpson was a very god runner, he made moves that I had never saw up to that point, and he did it so natural, now in other areas, he was not focused.

I use to always tell employees this in the past.

Learn my strong points, forget my bad, and you will do just fine.

I was trained to be an icon, somebody who must do everything right when it came to everything, because that was my mind set at the time. If I was a two by four, one that is being used as the example, then I better stay the same so other s can use me to make them better as well in what ever field that might be.

If you have the mind set that business is a game, and this game is something that you want to play today, then you are beginning to live in the moment in ways that will make you feel so good, but that is up to you.

What can you do to make me happy?

Think of me as a customer, are we talking no brainier here. You would be doing something for me, that would help me to do something for you.

Don't they say that everything comes around, goes around for a reason?

or is it, what comes around goes around, I forget, but this possibility has always been there, and yes it has been talked about from time to time, with people like Thomas a Edison for one, and yes six hundred million of us, regardless of our profile in life, will experience, what I have experienced, and yes maybe, just by me trying to paint right brain picture possibilities, that might be a little further than you want to leave your flag pole, does not mean we should not do it. With the right pleasure, we should be able to get you some help with your pole, but that just might be too much information right now.

I hope you find some god from all of my thoughts, as I have found with your thoughts as well.

Thank you once again,
Tim

He ha sense, has died of other reasons, than using the BrainGate machine.

devnull

31st January 2008, 12:34 AM

so. you really werent asking whether we wanted to hear about it then.

amb

31st January 2008, 12:49 AM

Tim sounds a little stressed out. If that is what turns you on, by all means try it.
Sounds a bit like science fiction to me. But hey, that's only my opinion.

Tim4848

3rd February 2008, 09:13 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Giants 17

Patriots 14

Never under estimate the unexpected when it comes to the power of your own energy to make something happen that has never happened before.

People might think and feel that they know how things will turn out, but Plaxico Burress was using the energy of something that was bigger than him self to make it happen this time, and you can do it as well.

Listen to your inner thoughts, not what other people try and tell you can't be done,
and you too can make a difference when it comes to your future communication needs.

My topic might not have the power of all hose expensive commercials that were shown through that game, but the message is still important when you compare it to what your options are right now.

Some will tell you that it is not possible, they will lead you to believe that it sounds complicated at best, but so was trying to beat the best football team in history, and all they can say after the smoke clears is this. We are disappointed.

Don't make the same mistake that they did, and be disappointed with your communication options for your future.

Everything in life happens for a reason, and this idea is no different.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

Ron_Tomkins

3rd February 2008, 09:27 PM

So Tim, did you go to www.saltcube.com? Did you post there? What was the reaction?

If you didn't post, why didn't you? That website is devoted to people around the world who passionately study the phenomena of OBEs. What better place to promote your idea than that?

hamelekim

4th February 2008, 12:45 AM

There's no evidence that fully supports OBE's and being a purely physical phenomenon, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest that it isn't purely supernatural. At this point it's at a stand still and both sides are going to argue that they are right.

We don't have an understanding of how consciousness works yet to prove scientifically that it is purely physical. Until we do this there is no real point in arguing about whether or not OBEs are supernatural in nature.

The experiments so far have been far from great successes in disproving the OBE experience as supernatural. None of them have given the same feelings felt by those who have experience NDEs or OBEs. Until we can recreate those feelings exactly you can't say that the case is closed.

In case you were wondering, I'm on the line when it comes to OBEs and NDEs and their supernatural origins.

amb

4th February 2008, 02:56 AM

devnull

4th February 2008, 04:58 AM

yes, and also...

STOP POINTLESSLY BUMPING THIS DAMN THREAD TIM!!!!

Thankyou, and goodnight.

Apathia

4th February 2008, 11:12 AM

yes, and also...

STOP POINTLESSLY BUMPING THIS DAMN THREAD TIM!!!!

Thankyou, and goodnight.

He's not pointlessly bumping it. It's his blog, and he's got more attention here than at most of the forums he's posted on.

Ipecac

4th February 2008, 01:12 PM

So I read the first and last pages of this thread. I presume I'm safe in concluding that nowhere in 17 pages does Tim show he's capable of understanding science, critical thinking, skepticism, or a decent argument. If I'm wrong, someone other than Tim please let me know.

thoth108

5th February 2008, 03:05 PM

Hello everyone.

I'd like to throw my two cents into the mix about my experiences with the OBE.

I have tried many techniques for OBE's, including hallcinogens, hypnotic techniques of all sorts, Yoga, meditation, and shaman techniques. The latter has been, for me, the most effective process for bringing on the experience that people describe as an OBE. Here is what I noticed:

1. There is more visual information available during an OBE: Along with the visual information from the eyes, the mind assimilates visual information from what some people call the "third eye." I noticed during my experiences that I could see everywhere around me, as if this third-eye were not fixed in one direction; it is an omni-directional, visual sense.

2. The visual information that is not coming from the eyes is not the same as the usual sight we see. Specifically, it doesn't look like light bouncing off of objects. It looks like infinite darkness all around, and glowing bodies of light where there are living things (including plants) or electrical devices.

3. With the eyes closed, it is still possible to observe the room around you to some degree, but with the handicap of #2; it doesn't appear like light bouncing off of objects and into your eyes - everything is empty blackness except for living things, which appear like bright lights.

It is interesting to note that the pineal gland, which is associated with the third eye in occult systems, is photo-sensitive. My conclusion was that if I was actually "seeing" something, and not hallucinating, then the sense that I was using to see was:

1. NOT sensitive to photons in the same way as the eyes are, because I didn't "see" the objects around me. (Could this be becuase the pineal, if it is the source of this sense, is sheilded by the brain, skin, and skull from incoming photons?)

2. Is NOT uni-directional like our eyes, but omni-directional. The pineal gland is not shaped like an eye; pinealocytes are photosensitive (some scientists are researching if they are sensitive to magnetism as well), and the pineal gland is not restricted to just one field of view: it would be light sensitive on all sides (omnidirectional) because of it's shape.

So in our brains is a photosensitive gland, which is shielded from incoming light. Could this be the source of the "astral sight" that is described by those who experience OBEs? Many occult systems associate this gland with the third eye, which is the source of pyschic sight.

In addition to my own experimentation with OBE's, I have talked with many people who have had similar experiences. A close friend and I explored the use of salvia divinorum, a sacred plant to the Mazatec people, to induce OBE's. We compared our experiences thoroughly, and in all instances shared the experience of omni-directional sight during the experiment. We also noticed an increase in sensory perception from all of our senses: hearing distant sounds clearly, feeling the vibration of sounds hitting our bodies, and seeing colors (when your eyes are open) more vividly. With me, there was always a "feeling" of being physically removed from my body, as if my consciousness were no longer located in my brain. I characterized this feeling as the sensation of being "in two places at once," because I was still aware of incoming sensations through my bodily senses, but I was aware that I was not in the room where my body was. While on salvia divinorum, most people report that, "gravity feels different; as if you are being pulled in a different direction than normal."

I really like this topic. I practice meditations that I learned from shamans that bring on the sensation of an OBE, and because of my experiences I ASSUME (believe) the experience to be valid: meaning that my consciousness is actually leaving my physical body. This is not scientifically validated, though, and I agree that the experience could be just a complicated illusion of the mind. My belief is based soley on my own experiences. Still, though, there are a lot of peculiar effects during my experiences that remain to me unexplained.

Namaste.

amb

6th February 2008, 02:59 AM

Tim4848

6th February 2008, 07:38 PM

hamelekim

6th February 2008, 11:01 PM

Lots of people have crazy hallucinations brought on by various means. Hypnosis's, drugs, to much booze, mental illness, relaxation sessions, you name it. It doesn't mean it actually, bodily happens. [ or spirituality]

There's also a difference between those drug induced "hallucinations" and something like an NDE. From what the NDE people say it is more real than reality. I think that you could argue that the supernatural aspects of the NDE outside of seeing the "real" world are similar if not the same to drug induced hallucinations. But these drugs are more along the lines of DMT and LSD not booze, tiredness, or hypnosis.

One thing to ponder though. If you can hallucinate things that are so real you can't tell them from "reality" how do you know what you see is reality? I guess you have to go off the assumption that what you experience is reality, but how does that affect someone who hears voices or sees visions all the time. Is their reality less valid than yours?

hamelekim

6th February 2008, 11:17 PM

The brain is still little understood by science. But new discoveries are been made almost daily. The effects of certain chemicals do have a profound effect on the brain when administered. Antipsychotic drugs are a good example. Alcohol is another. Parapsychology has been experimenting with the so-called mind for more than 50 years. As yet, not one shred of evidence has been scientifically proven for anything out of the ordinary. The study of OBE is a furpy, to be placed alongside astrology.

There isn't conclusive evidence that consiousness isn't something outside of the brain either. I know it's a tired example but look at the TV. Someone looking at a tv and examining the insides might conclude that the inside components are what generate the images on the screen. But we know that the TV is a reciever of a signal which is filtered and modified in such a way by the tv to produce the image. If you didn't know or didn't have the tools to detect the signal you would never know it was there.

Until we either have those tools to measure the signal, or we have conclusively proven that consciousness is nothing but a physical phenomenon, the argument will never end.

I like to consider myself a true skeptic when it comes to the mind. I am on neither side on the matter. I think both sides have valid arguments and until we come up with a way to run an experiment to prove one or the other you cannot do anything but believe one or the other.

Tim4848

6th February 2008, 11:26 PM

Please take a moment to come down the yellow brick road of my thoughts for a moment.

Your inner energy thoughts do not always play games, they work to keep you alive, and they have the ability to keep you out of pain and into pleasure, and when your iner energy leaves your body for the lest time, it has to take you with it, and from that moment on, will depend greatly on what you are willing to handle. It is no sweat off your inner energy thoughts to place you in a shutdown mode to a point that it feels you can handle it, by the balance you are supplying, or how quick you are to go to a dormid state, because you did not heave the signs that might keep you on a even keel.

In other words, your inner thoughts listen to everything you think, and when you feel good, it feels good, but you are never going to get to this placebo effect of balance, and maybe just a little bit more, if you keep your options limited.

Please take a moment to think about natural law.

If energy could be destroyed, science would be right, and there would be no way for out of body life. Anybody could figure that out, with out being smarter than a fifth grader, but that is no the case, energy can change form just like the silver guy in terminator, and that changing energy can substain the possibility, based on your energy level in that state, and your experience.

In other words, if you have some experience with cars, you start to learn how to make them work. If you work with my idea, then maybe we all can see how it might work.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

hamelekim

6th February 2008, 11:29 PM

I find it hard to fathom what is it about OBEs that produces such mystery to the subject.
Has anyone in history ever come back from his/her OBE experience with any Earth shattering news? No. The whole experience is of the mind beginning it's shutdown mode. There is so much B/S built around this phenomenon by wishful thinking people who will not accept their oblivion at the point of death. Make the most of whatever time you have left in this life. There is no other.

Lots of people have come back with news of the "other side", of things to come, and insights into life. Of course, people aren't going to believe them because all they have are words, and words aren't very good at proving scientific claims.

Is there any evidence that an OBE is the mind shutting down? Some people have OBE's just before their accident, others have them after their heart stops. Then you have people who have OBE's who are on drugs. There's no scientific proof that it's the brain shutting down, that's just your materialist interpretation of what's happening. Come back when you have some scientific proof. Experimental data my friend.

Ron_Tomkins

6th February 2008, 11:39 PM

Dear Ron Tomkins,

Good question, I did not know of such a place.

I don't know how many times I have said that I don't get out much.

I am only as good as what I have to work with at the time.

Thank you,
Tim

Tim, with all due respect:

Whaddaya mean you didn't know of such place?? I friggin' gave you the link before!! See how you don't pay attention? Now, instead of wasting your (and our) time, go to www.saltcube.com and post your original OP. They will be more than glad to collaborate with you. This is a website made by people who devote their entire life to OBEs. Now go to the website. Otherwise, you're demonstrating that you're nothing but a troll.

Maatorc already had his share of moderation due to his lack of cooperation. You're going down the same road.

I repeat, go to www.saltcube.com. Don't stop by Go. Do not charge 200.

Do not reply to this or other posts. Go to www.saltcube.com.

amb

7th February 2008, 03:21 AM

There isn't conclusive evidence that consiousness isn't something outside of the brain either. I know it's a tired example but look at the TV. Someone looking at a tv and examining the insides might conclude that the inside components are what generate the images on the screen. But we know that the TV is a reciever of a signal which is filtered and modified in such a way by the tv to produce the image. If you didn't know or didn't have the tools to detect the signal you would never know it was there.

Until we either have those tools to measure the signal, or we have conclusively proven that consciousness is nothing but a physical phenomenon, the argument will never end.

I like to consider myself a true skeptic when it comes to the mind. I am on neither side on the matter. I think both sides have valid arguments and until we come up with a way to run an experiment to prove one or the other you cannot do anything but believe one or the other.
Your argument falls flat on it's face when you consider brain damaged individuals. If the brain is nothing more than a reciever, then what happens to a person suffering mental illness? A brain dead person looses all conciousness and is in a vegetive state. A fundie tried to say that the brain has nothing to do with self-conciousness, that mind lives ouside of the brain.
It's a fact, destroy the brain, you also destroy mind. Using the TV example is not correct. If the TV malfunctions you loose the signal which is produced by the TV channel. If a brain dies the signal it produces dies with it. Unlike the TV, the channel still produces a signal.

Apathia

7th February 2008, 06:29 AM

Otherwise, you're demonstrating that you're nothing but a troll.[/url].

He's already provided abundant evidence of that.
He's not a malicious troll, just someone craving some attention.

Tim4848

8th February 2008, 02:32 AM

Please fill free to explain to me how somebody can come up with an idea, that has never tried before, saids he can do it for free if he is allowed, and he is looking for attention?

Where do you come up with these distraction thoughts?

what a great way to try and bog down a idea.

Make people think that I have problems, when anybody can see that this idea can stand on it's own now. It is that big. This topic is one of the hottest ones out there, and if that is true, and people want to know more about it, you should and try and be more helpful, because by blowing off my idea, you might be blowing your last chance to have the best reality back up plan out there.

If you feel that strongly about the concept that comes with my idea, then please fill free to speak your peace and move on. I have no problem with somebody wants to question this or that, but just posting to argue about anything and everything, is really a waste of time.

I do not make a point to critisize, condemn, or complain about you, please allow others the freedom not to be treated, as you go out of your way to do with me.

Please give it a rest, and decide what is a good deal for both of us.

I am informing people about things that has not ever happened yet, so for you to have any input on that, puts you way out of place, because this topic is pen to talk about anything, that might relate to this topic.

This is a grow topic, it is not yet a control topic.

That means people are welcomed to have open ideas about anyhing they feel, and not be attacked for it.

This topic is real, and it is focused on the positive.

Please let me state this one more time. I talk about this topic, and yes I am the author of it as well, but this topic is open to anybody, who would like to add something, with out getting attacked for it?

How can I get all the viewers out there, that view this topic from a far, more involved in it.

Maybe I should have more of a laid back approach, like it just don't matter.

Because it don't, do what you want to do, but you will lose.

And I can prove it.

I can prove it with evidence, a visual effect.

In my basement, I write good ideas that never get to the Internet, and now lately, I have been doodling over those thoughts. Placing art on top of information.

I have been doodling for about as long as I have been focused on this topic.

I am very good at it, you would almost think I was painting with a pen.

I have made some amazing art with my doodling.

I once saw a show where a savant, had drew these neat pictures. They were talking about how he was one of the few, that could do such a thing.

The pictures he had, looked like mine.

The next thing about my doodling, that exceeds science, is the ability I have to make all type of pictures, and never draw any other direction but mainly straight up and down.

I also do not think about what I am drawing at the time either. I also create these pictures on glass surfaces as well.

What I draw, looks a lot like a slice of afterlife, and there is no way to explain how I could do this with no thought about it, other than trying to draw as close to the last line as possible, and keeping the shades of ink, about the same, to the last pass in my doodling.

Please take the time and try it as well. Foe some reason, I get better results at first, when I was facing north when I did it. Go figure!

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

amb

8th February 2008, 04:32 AM

Lots of people have come back with news of the "other side", of things to come, and insights into life. Of course, people aren't going to believe them because all they have are words, and words aren't very good at proving scientific claims.

Is there any evidence that an OBE is the mind shutting down? Some people have OBE's just before their accident, others have them after their heart stops. Then you have people who have OBE's who are on drugs. There's no scientific proof that it's the brain shutting down, that's just your materialist interpretation of what's happening. Come back when you have some scientific proof. Experimental data my friend.
If you have proof of life after death, please produce it here. Logical thinking rules out such a state of being. Do you have any idea of the trillions of people who have lived and died on this planet? Furthermore, did Cro-magnon man also survive death? What about our nearest cousins the chimpanzees?
We are mammals, do other types of mammals survive also? Whales perhaps, They are considered to be very intelligent. [ I wish they could come back and haunt the whalers] William of Ockam, shaves away the improbable until only the probable is left, which is, Death is the end of our journey on this world, and we return to what we were before birth, nothing.

Cuddles

8th February 2008, 05:06 AM

Lots of people have come back with news of the "other side"

I always find this claim particularly amusing. They are called near death experiences for a very good reason. The fact that they "came back" means that they never went there in the first place. Why would anyone suppose that not dying would give you any insight into what happens after you die? It's like saying "I nearly went on holiday but had to back out at the last minute, so I know more about France than you.". All the claims in this area are silly enough, but this one beats the rest hands down.

amb

9th February 2008, 12:36 AM

amb

9th February 2008, 12:40 AM

We all know that Jesus came back after 3 days. But my guess is that less than 2% of members on this, or other skeptical forums actually believe that mountain of poo.

KateHL

9th February 2008, 01:37 AM

We all know that Jesus came back after 3 days.
Oh, really? I didn't know that, actually. I mean, I was taught it for 20 years but memorizing the lore and knowing it happened are completely different things. :)

hamelekim

9th February 2008, 02:00 AM

I always find this claim particularly amusing. They are called near death experiences for a very good reason. The fact that they "came back" means that they never went there in the first place. Why would anyone suppose that not dying would give you any insight into what happens after you die? It's like saying "I nearly went on holiday but had to back out at the last minute, so I know more about France than you.". All the claims in this area are silly enough, but this one beats the rest hands down.

How can you make the assumption that they didn't go to the other side? Based on what criteria exactly? If you assume that there is no soul, then of course they didn't. If you argue that there is a soul but that the body has to completely die before it sees anything of the other side, ok, but what evidence is there of that? If you assume that the various traditions around the world are correct and that during the dying process they can see to the other side, then it is well within anyones right to conclude that they did see the other side.

You example is flawed too. It's more like I went on a cruise and the boat docked at the port but I stayed on the boat. You saw some of the other side but certainly a very small percentage.

hamelekim

9th February 2008, 02:02 AM

KateHL

9th February 2008, 02:06 AM

hamelekim

9th February 2008, 02:15 AM

If you have proof of life after death, please produce it here. Logical thinking rules out such a state of being. Do you have any idea of the trillions of people who have lived and died on this planet? Furthermore, did Cro-magnon man also survive death? What about our nearest cousins the chimpanzees?
We are mammals, do other types of mammals survive also? Whales perhaps, They are considered to be very intelligent. [ I wish they could come back and haunt the whalers] William of Ockam, shaves away the improbable until only the probable is left, which is, Death is the end of our journey on this world, and we return to what we were before birth, nothing.

Logical thinking doesn't rule life after death out. Scientific Materialism rules out life after death without verifiable proof of a scientific nature. You can make a logical argument for life after death. There's no way to prove that with facts, but you can make logical arguments. It all depends on what your assumptions are before you begin.

Did cro-magnon man survive life after death? I have no clue, I'm not even certain there is a life after physical death. I'm just arguing that you cannot rule it out. Well you can, but I think that line of reasoning is shallow and tainted with a lot of anti religious dogma. I'm anti religious too btw, but spirituality is not the same as religion.

One thing I cannot abide by is scientific types dismissing the study of near death experiences and the supernatural. They should be studied in a scientific manner, if only to disprove them. I'd like to see another experiment done with OBEs.

In my mind consciousness and death should be studied the most out of all the sciences. The mind is everything really, and if you want to really know the meaning of life you have to study death and the experiences that people have surrounding death. I think a lot more should be done with psychedelic drugs and consciousness.

Why do people who take dmt experience hallucinations that seem like real life compared to other drugs like LSD which are not as "real". You should read "The God Molecule" sometime. It's all about DMT and a study that was done in the early 90's when they injected people with DMT and recorded the effects. A lot of people saw similar worlds which is strange if it's all generated out of our individual minds.

hamelekim

9th February 2008, 02:23 AM

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but oxygen deprivation can cause hallucinations which can greatly resemble NDEs. It's a completely rational explanation. Anytime you're 'near death' you're very definitely going to be experiencing decreased blood oxygen levels which will starve the brain of what it needs to function. A result of all that is hallucinations.

So basically, we have a rational, measurable explanation. How have OBE/NDEs been tested? How can they be measured?

No, we cannot claim full knowledge that they don't exist but I don't understand the need to believe in them when there is another explanation that is actually measurable and rational. It makes no sense.

I think the key word is resemble. It's similar too in certain ways but not the same. This also doesn't explain why some people have them and others don't. If it's a particular physiological effect, then it should occur in all people when they die. Everyone who dies, or has a near death experience, should have a lack of oxygen. Yet we see that not all people who die and come back have NDEs.

This also doesn't explain cases where the person left their body before they even had the accident. So they watched their bodies in the car before it hits the tree.

As for have they been tested. It's really impossible to test NDE's unless you have a country wide test which would be ridiculously complext in nature.

On th surface the experience seems to defy science. Yet scientists aren't willing to do the tests to verify their assumptions of oxygen deprevation, etc... It can't be similar in experience, it has to be the same, exactly the same. If you can duplicate the experience in the lab with electrodes then You have a really good argument that it's nothing but the brain. Up to this point there have been a lot of really week experiments that do not come close to the same sort of experience.

amb

9th February 2008, 03:47 AM

Tim4848

9th February 2008, 01:33 PM

How do you accomplish a study of OBE without actually killing the test subject, and then reviving him/her a few days later? It can't be done.
There was an experiment done some years ago on a patient under local anesthetic, undergoing brain surgery. So the patient was fully awake. The same phenomenon as near death experiences were produced by the surgeon touching various parts of the patients brain. The tunnel, the bright light, long dead relatives, the whole shebang, just by manipulating different parts of the exposed brain the patient was able to describe to the surgeon practically all of the same experiences.~~ source~ ''Dying To Live''. By
Susan Blackmore.

"A result of all that is hallucinations"

Isen't it nice, that with all that a body is going through after it shuts down that it still gives us the opportunity to hallucinate. What a very nice thing to know, or the fact that is you play with the wiring or the gas padal of a car, that you are going to get a feel of what you can do with new information.

All the infomation that you have provided has a reason with the bigger picture.

If you can hallicinate, you can think, and thought and energy can be measured. If you can think, you can alter what you think about.

You do not just go to a river of change, and change your mind about how to cross it. The last I checked, I had a will, and a way of making my inner thoughts precieve something that is not real, and my inner thoughts have the ability to do it to me just as well. I also find we my inner thoughts and I do so much better if we are on the same page at times.

In other words, Im not worried. My inner thoughts have taken me there before and if he was taking advantage of me in that state, while my body was shut down, then that is why all these people that have these experiences all see them self out of their body, because the brain is so tired with energy that can not be destroyed, that it gets upset, and place us in this lazy state, when it just could of left us a sleep. That old brain of mind, sure likes to play some funny things with the 600 million people who are going to have out of body experiences through out their life.

The way you underestimate your energy is amazing.

I have found through out my life, when I am not on the same page with my thoughts, I am the one making the mistake, but when I work to get out of the way of my inner thoughts, I wind up on web sites talking about a different possibility. One that can happen, once you get past things that scare you, not because they are as real, as how you are precieving them, and yes regardless if you agree with that statement or not, your thoughts will make measurable friction, and that friction can now be measured the way you want to will it.

"Precieved pain, precieved pleasure, and everything else in this state is measurable friction."

Think about it, you know you don't know everything, or you would not be here to begin with.

My goal is not to figure out why you want to fight what my inner thoughts want to make happen. Now if it was just me thinking this idea is possible would be one thing, but it is not, so that takes me out of the crazy room.

As my late mother in law use to say.

At least you got a husband.

sure maybe others would not think it is wise to take on the challenge I am trying, but that is just because they have not done their home work as good as I have on this topic.

There will be days, that my thoughts might be real bad, but I would think if you are interested in a reality future afterlife back up plan, one that gives you more options than you might be getting now, that you would get me hooked up with some media, because everything else is just a waste of time.

By not taking the chance of getting me connected with people that can paint by picture better to people that needs to be informed, so they can decide what is best for them, is a mistake ina time where we brag, about allowing people to follow their dreams, better communication to every one in general, and I could go on.

I am not just filled with making it happen, I am filled with so many positive possibilities for you, once it happens that you will have to buy some new shades.

Things in life use to have to be a good deal for the both of us, but now it is leaning toward having to be a goiod deal for all of us.

Please take a moment to remember all of the past afterlife at any moment in your life, and ask your self this one question.

Is there some of them you would just like to remember, or others that you would like to communicate with again at some point in your life.

I use the word point, because when you are a energy, and you can not be destroyed, then you have to do something with it. You will always have that baggage with you, as it will with you as well.

Please if you ever find your self in this state, don't try any of my idea at home, because there is still so many details that goes with this idea, you do not want to take a chance and do something that might effect you in a negative way.

I feel like somebody who is ready to start to work on this idea, but I just have to wait until the right person finds out about it, and makes it happen.

Let's pretend I get a chance to talk to that person:

Hi, Im Tim

Hi, I am that one person who has all the red tape power, and is going to decide your fate Tim.

You are a loser Tim, and anybody like you because I want to control, and I don't see how giving somebody else that control is going to make me better.

Mr. Power, do you plan on living in your body forever?

What if you died tomarro Mr. Power, how much power will you have then.

Do you have power in an isolated state, if you did, why don't you do it all the time now?

Science can prove that out of body afterlife is not possible, if energy could be destroyed, but I am sorry that is not the case.

Power has power because of the size, weight, and volume of the power to begin with, and everything else that moves, is stored in that energy to different equations in the power.

I think the Beetles touched on that at one time, when it said:

"We all live in a yellow submarine"

I would stay longer and let my thoughts bounce around on this topic, but I have to go get ready for a 8-ball pool tournement at the Holiday Inn in Dayton Ohio tonight.

If the team I play on wins, we get a free trip to Vegas, and try our luck there.

There is really so many ways to make your comfort zone better, if you make the choice to play.

Thomas A. Edison knew, if we could get one light bulb to burn bright correctly, we could make more do it just as well.

There is no space in our space, where a light can not burn, and so is it true of my idea as well.

Please if you like to watch some of the best pool players in Dayton, ohio. Come check it out this weekend.

I also have a new cell phone, would you like the chance to call me some time and talk about this topic even more?

How do you get a number out to people who would like to talk about this topic for hours and hours, synergizing to make the world a better place, with out getting the number out to just time bandits, who want to make people forget about such a free idea to such a possibility, because they might have to change the way they look at the word "Dead, and you can't take it with you."

Thank you again for reading my thoughts,
Tim

My idea is free

The procedure for making it happen if free.

Thank you for reading my thoughts

KateHL

9th February 2008, 02:40 PM

"A result of all that is hallucinations"

Isen't it nice, that with all that a body is going through after it shuts down that it still gives us the opportunity to hallucinate. Nope. Decreased function does not equal shutting down. Nobody has come back to life from brain death. Remember that.

Tim4848

9th February 2008, 03:01 PM

Nope. Decreased function does not equal shutting down. Nobody has come back to life from brain death. Remember that.

That would kind of make it like energy that can not be destroyed.

What is brain dead, the body or our way of measuring it from that point on?

Maybe I need somebody to explain to me what brain dead means, when we have a way now how we can communucate on a level that has never been tried, to see if energy can support your inner thoughts, giving you the opportunity to dream or think, while in this state.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

amb

11th February 2008, 02:30 AM

Tim, your right on one thing. Energy can not be destroyed. But the brain does not produce energy. The brain transmits electrical impulses through it's nervous system to the various parts of the body. Including itself. Our self consciousness resides in the brain, once the brain is destroyed, either at death or massive brain damage, we lose our self conciousness, we cease to exist, even though our body may be kept alive by some machine, we are no longer in the body.Again, we have ceased to exist.

Cuddles

11th February 2008, 09:33 AM

How can you make the assumption that they didn't go to the other side?

There is only one assumption - that there is an "other side". I am not the one making it.

You can make a logical argument for life after death.

Really? Why hasn't anyone ever done so then?

There is already a perfectly good name for a near death experience. Life.

hamelekim

11th February 2008, 02:16 PM

There is only one assumption - that there is an "other side". I am not the one making it.

Really? Why hasn't anyone ever done so then?

There is already a perfectly good name for a near death experience. Life.
You're making an assumption as well. You're assuming that your materialist view is the right one.

They have, personal experience.

Tim4848

11th February 2008, 08:59 PM

The Brain makes electrical impulses.

Is that not energy, what is the inside of that electrical impulses?

Maybe your inner thoughts are confined to this way of making a human body work, to make you get things done, but you are so much more than that.

You will place your self in a situation, where you will have no tools to try, and you will appreciate what you do have to work with at that time.

there will no more replies to me with the tools you will have, just left with a wing and a prayer.

I don't doubt that you can spend a lot of time and money trying to see it from your perspective as I could do mine, but he idea I propose is new, it is different than others in the past, it is free, and i am of sound mine, but regardless what I am, the idea is out there to be tried, and it can be done for free, just as long as the one is doing the training, does it because it is the right thing to do.

I have no problem if we can do it, and place a window when we will let the private sector the chance to do it, just as long as you tell the next generation to behave in the public, because we have shown that we can do it, and we all would like a chance to do it again sooner, than too much later.

The only thing that will need to be change, is the way we look at dead, because it will have one less meaning, and the saying you can not take it with you.

Please over come this over the top topic, and see it for what it could be, if we allow it to happen, because total communication is always better than limited communication, especially what it has the ability to help us in the long run. We all need to learn something everyday, if we know it or not.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Tim4848

11th February 2008, 09:21 PM

Why am I in The Paranormal section when I have an idea on how to get rid of the Paranormal section once and for all.

Is it better to have a Paranormal section, than to actually talk to past friends, family and love ones?

How about you someday, what is your back up plan, just in case you find your self in this situation?

Did you vote for Ross Perot, before he started acting crazy?

What other chances have you done to set your self away from the crowd?

Are you a leader or a follower?

Do you like to smell the fresh air, or do you want to follow what ever smell comes your way?

Please fill free to tell me a better way, because my inner thoughts thought this one up all on it's own, and it has had a good track record at keeping me out of pain and into pleasure all my life.

Think about this for just a second, if you have learn anything about this topic, is people do not want the fat lady to sing, one way or another, they would rather spend their time trying to get the fat lady to lose weight, than to ever sing, so just maybe while other people are too busy trying to tell us what we want to hear, that they just might of looked over my possibility, and we just might be able to fix that problem once and for all tonight.

My idea is simple, it is easy to set up, and it is free.

All i want you to do is talk about it to anybody that you like, and see how they feel about the opportunity to have an afterlife e-mail address, that can be set up for this situation if they would like. Would you at least settle for a future e-mail address, if given a chance in this opportunity.

Everybody alive right now, should be given a chance, just because things change, and you want to be in the best situation if it changes for the good.

If we can get it to happen once, we can duplicate it to what ever you would like, but we can't do anything, if we don't try.

What in this topic could be good for you, your friend, family, or love ones.

I don't know if You ever heard this story, but a few years ago on Easter, I was looking forward to playing one of my older brothers, James at a game of Chess, but he did not make the visit, because he had died a couple of days earlier on his front porch out on his land in the heartland of Ohio.

I did not know until later on Easter, that he had died.

My father and other older brother went to his land and found him. From being outside, they did not have an open casket.

I never saw my brother again, as so many other shave not seen theirs, and I excepted it just like anybody else at the time, and I don't know that day months later, when I had that thought that this idea was possible, if it came from someplace else, or just my wishful thinking, but just the same, we will never know for sure, unless we make that call and see what happens when we place professional patients in that situation, and see how it plays out.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

Tim4848

11th February 2008, 10:38 PM

Some one knocking at the door, some one knocking again,
some one knocking at the door, let them in!!!

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

This message goes out to your inner thoughts, you know the one that keeps you breathing everyday. How are you doing?

How much credit to you get everyday, just for being you?

How do you feel the voids of your life?

Are you happy?

Are you doing good right now for the most part?

Are you looking forward to the writer strike being over, and how they will come out with something that wil make my topic seam like old news.

Do you want that to happen?

Don't you have a right to just fine out if I am right or not. How about my Birthday, it is coming up real soon, matbe we could do it then?

You know that I don't have to many birthdays left, I am not as young as I use to be.

I remember when they built bi-pass 675, that takes you off of highway 75, and place you on highway 70, or vice-a -versa, or how ever you say that, but I remember when they built it, because I was already working for a living, and I have seen all the work they have done on it sinse then, and I have heard about all the different people that has died their in that little section as well, not that this number is any higher than any place else, but that my inner body has kept me a live during that time, and it is doing it today as well.

Now some might say that I should give God credit, and I do not have a problem withthat, except I would like to set up the way the communication should be, to the specifications of my inner thoughts, and then after the interaction is done, then we will see who really deserves the credit.

I don't care, all I can do is inform somebody until somebody understands why we need to have a pasion about this idea.

We need it, and we need it now, more than any other time in our life, because we are throwing good money after bad for way too long.

Why pay for a war, when we can stop a war for nothing?

My idea can stop a war right now, before it ever starts, any situation that comes up in the view of the public, will be protected as much as you would like it to be, and it can be set tothe time you would liks as well, because so many parts of this idea must be voted on, before we could ever make it happen, but we need to do that because the stakes are so high, exspecially if another country does it first, with out laws in place, but only the greed of power, and control, would you even want to waste one minute of your drama mind on that?

I loved that drive in color and music when they went for that ride to lover lane in the movie Pleasentville. That is what I see, but if you get bored of that as you seam to do by nature anyway, you might be into that I don't know, but you will never know if that was for you or not, if you don't do something to get me noticed, so I can inform more people, and it goes on and on, until just maybe one day, somebody has a true out of body experience like me, checks into it more on the Internet and comes across my topic, and then they decide to find everything I have ever wrote on the Internet, and print it all out.

Please take the time to check it out if you can, and please fill free to ask me questions when you are done.

If for some reason I am not here, would some of my friends feel free to try and answer their questions, please try and answer it from both sides of the coin, or paradigm, that will be there, that can spin off of any pie on any field that is out there.

You will never have a problem answering any questionabout my topic, because it is pure, just like it is with science, if energy could be destroyed, and everything else is in the answer to the test, andI provide that as well.

I have always been a big supporter to the moment of truth, because I reality my self into after years of enjoying the feel of just day dreaming, but now I am at a point in my life, where I have doubts, concerns about how we treat everybody, and hoe all this time we are worried about the all mighty dollar, that we have thrown our true potential away, in a place that is so isolated for the fact that you can not communicate with humans, as you did before, but you might be able to do the next best thing.

Imagine you are a bubble, you are inside that bubble, and you are quite aware that your number might come up, if that bubble ever pops, so you go with the float, never doing anything that might cause you to pop, no chance here, your livly hood of floating is on the line. Just leave me alone because I just have to worry about this right now, and I don't know where it might take me. Ask your self this question regardless what you do, where would you like it to take you?

What would make you happy, if you had the time to be happy?

I'm not worrie about th idea, I am worried about you not wanting this idea to happen, because you have mixed feelings aboutit right now, and you just don't know what to think.

Please take the time and think about you first, and how would you like to use it good and bad, and then allow me a chance to inform you on what type of safe guards might be put in place.
You don't know if the idea fits, unless you are given a chance to see how it feels.

Everybody in your family now knows you are prepared for this possibility, beause you asked the right questions, and some news show one day, is going to want to have us ontheir show, so we can see what direction this topic is really going.

Should I have to hug a bee today, or bomb away, I really don't know, but I do have to vote for somebody this year.

How do I know if I am registered to vote?

So much to do, so lttle time, I wonder if my driver licence expires real soon. If it ain't one thing it is another, but that is the life we live, and for some of us, we have place safe guards along the way, so we are ready to handle anything life throws our way, but are you ready for this, right in your face, work it, feel it, what would you do. Would you have done what I have done, see a problem in a situation that is only seen by 10 percent of people on the planet.

I saw a problem if by any chance I would be in that place again.

Some say they have been there, and they do not want to go back, but I say, if I do have to go back, and yes there is no pain, because they ain't a lot of you in that situation to begin with.

The math for my situation played out, so if given a tool like BrainGate, and given the correct training, this oportunity might happen, because even if I was in that situation again, but I knew I had the training on the machine, and I knew I had your support, my energy would be on cloud nine. It you think about that, is that not what we all enjoy most about life, it is not the money, because regardless what money we have, we just raise our stanard of living above it anyway, but to have a chance to do a back flip for somebody else.

The opportunity to say you can do something, and then you do it. That can get your energy focusing on a direction, but we can do so much more than that as well, so each person will have to decide what about this topic works best for them, all I can do is throw in stuff and let the tornado of the masses decide my fate.

Thank you,

Tim

just wanted to give you the heads up on my idea on how we can communicate with future out of body afterlife people, well the short it is this, we can make that type of communication a reality, now all we need to do is inform everybody else about it, and see how their inner thoughts would like it to play out as well.

We just can't put this off forever, we at least need a time to talk about our back up options anyway, just in case you have a better back up plan.

Please fill free to touch base with me if you both would like to know more,

Tim

Tim4848

12th February 2008, 12:22 AM

Tim, I have had out of body experiences. In fact, with a bit of luck, patience, and hard work, I can induce them. What does your product mean for people like me?

The product is what it is. It is not magic, it is an opportunity on a different level, one that has not been explored before on any past star trek shows.

The one that they just never thought of at the time.

I guess that is the reason some do not want to try it yet, because they have been living in their star teek lifes, and they never had an episode about mine.

How do you all make the right decission, when it does not match up to star track?

It is bad enough that some get down when they see a sho on TV, and they see the twin towers.

If my idea was possible, it would of been on star track, or star wars, or anything else that has been in the movies, but there was one show on the outer limits that was real close, maybe even two or three, but that was a long time ago.

It is time to put those shows to a rest, and stream line our opperation toward the free opportunity, and then what options might come as a result of it becoming a reality, in ways that can be measured, and done in real time.

You can't do more than what is expected, if don't know what that is.

Is there a way out of this place?

Same page thinking time:

I imagine that I am informing people of an idea that I have that can be done for free, it has to do with your thoughts, regardless what others might think, but I don't. I have your back, and I would like the opportunity to have yours as well.

If you will allow me to do it for free.

My idea is a journey into focusing on everything that lies out there to be looked at just one more time, from just one more angle, just to make sure we did not miss anything.

No man is left behind don't mean the words it is printed on, if my idea is not explored more closely.

Besides the fact, of all the other things I am offering free, I am also telling you that it only gets better with time.

There is a lot of things on this Earth that I do not know or have the time to explore at this time, or that anybody would take the time to want to know more about me to begin with, but maybe they do, maybe they can talk to a friend of a friend of a friend, who could get American Idol to check out my daughter, and give me a chance to talk about my topic.

They say that 80% of Americans believe in some type of afterlife, and this will give them something to talk about around the water cooler. I know this, because I posted at the water cooler as well. We talk a while about the topic, but now we are at a point, where we eed to decide what we want to do. Keep going down a road, bouncing off of every problem that comes down the road, or try something different. A controlled eye in the sky, one that can get away with anything, but can only report one thing.

Priveledge communication:

Some may worry that they will be free to speak what ever they like. That will not be the case, because every case will be different. Our goal will to work them into a new culture that we could begin to develop now.

There is endless courses on on this idea covers, and until more people come to terms with it, I feel it is in their best interest to help me, because I am only as good as you. I have no super powers. I am a man, and I make fast food.

I know nothing, I think nothing.

I see nothing, I know nothing.

What can I do to make you happy?

Tim

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amb

12th February 2008, 05:06 AM

Proof man, where is the proof? You seem to have a very vivid imagination. Ever tried you hand at science fiction writing?
Like Hubbard, you could even possibly start a new religion.

Ron_Tomkins

12th February 2008, 10:03 AM

Proof man, where is the proof?

Don't bother. He'll tell you he has the proof of it in his own personal experiences.

You seem to have a very vivid imagination.

Actually, he does repeat himself a lot so I rate that as a very little imagination.

Ever tried you hand at science fiction writing?
Like Hubbard, you could even possibly start a new religion.

I doubt that. Achieving a new world record at who posts the most amount of gibberish on a forum is as far as I predict he will go.

If he really wanted to have anything going, he would have already abandoned this forum and he would have visited the url I gave him loong ago.

thoth108

12th February 2008, 12:24 PM

Your argument falls flat on it's face when you consider brain damaged individuals. If the brain is nothing more than a reciever, then what happens to a person suffering mental illness? A brain dead person looses all conciousness and is in a vegetive state. A fundie tried to say that the brain has nothing to do with self-conciousness, that mind lives ouside of the brain.
It's a fact, destroy the brain, you also destroy mind. Using the TV example is not correct. If the TV malfunctions you loose the signal which is produced by the TV channel. If a brain dies the signal it produces dies with it. Unlike the TV, the channel still produces a signal.

In this analogy, (which I find highly accurate and appropriate), the CHANNEL that the TV is tuned to would equate to the individual personality; and you wouldn't be able to tune into that channel once that person is brain damaged. Each of us has our own channel, and normally no one can tune into that channel except us. The argument still stands valid.

If you damaged the only TV that could tune into channel 4, then channel 4 is lost. It's the same with us: we are each individuals. Once our receiver is damaged, we don't have a commincation point in this dimension anymore. That's why brain damage appears to destroy the individual - it has destroyed the individual's only receiver, and left them with no way to communicate. That in no way proves that "consciousness" is lost, no more than smashing your TV would prove that the BBC no longer exists.

Tuning into another's channel would be like what the woos call, ahem, channelling.

cos

12th February 2008, 08:57 PM

In this analogy, (which I find highly accurate and appropriate), the CHANNEL that the TV is tuned to would equate to the individual personality; and you wouldn't be able to tune into that channel once that person is brain damaged.
<snip>
That's why brain damage appears to destroy the individual - it has destroyed the individual's only receiver, and left them with no way to communicate. That in no way proves that "consciousness" is lost, no more than smashing your TV would prove that the BBC no longer exists.

Then there's the issue of brain damage which only alters, not destroys, personality, memory, and identity. The change can be drastic enough that friends and family no longer recognize such a person's behavior.

How do we explain those cases, if the personality is not somehow generated by the brain?

Does the body's receiver begin transmitting a different channel (i.e. another person)?

Ron_Tomkins

12th February 2008, 10:16 PM

In this analogy, (which I find highly accurate and appropriate), the CHANNEL that the TV is tuned to would equate to the individual personality; and you wouldn't be able to tune into that channel once that person is brain damaged. Each of us has our own channel, and normally no one can tune into that channel except us. The argument still stands valid.

If you damaged the only TV that could tune into channel 4, then channel 4 is lost. It's the same with us: we are each individuals. Once our receiver is damaged, we don't have a commincation point in this dimension anymore. That's why brain damage appears to destroy the individual - it has destroyed the individual's only receiver, and left them with no way to communicate. That in no way proves that "consciousness" is lost, no more than smashing your TV would prove that the BBC no longer exists.

Tuning into another's channel would be like what the woos call, ahem, channelling.

That's very good, my friend.

The problem is: We have evidence of the existence of the BBC. We don't have any evidence of the existence of souls.

hamelekim

12th February 2008, 11:06 PM

That's very good, my friend.

The problem is: We have evidence of the existence of the BBC. We don't have any evidence of the existence of souls.

Out of body experiences, NDE's. Those are evidence. They are subjective evidence at this point, but there hasn't been a single experiment in the lab that has recreated the experience. Certain aspects have been recreated to lesser degrees, but only singular and not as strong. We still don't understand consciousness very well, so your personal materialist philosophies are nothing more than subjective opinion, based on poor experiments, when it comes to the subject.

Ron_Tomkins

12th February 2008, 11:31 PM

Out of body experiences, NDE's. Those are evidence. They are subjective evidence at this point, but there hasn't been a single experiment in the lab that has recreated the experience. Certain aspects have been recreated to lesser degrees, but only singular and not as strong. We still don't understand consciousness very well, so your personal materialist philosophies are nothing more than subjective opinion, based on poor experiments, when it comes to the subject.

Oh God, here we go. Another individual who doesn't understand the concept of evidence.

Personal experiences are not evidence.

I will rephrase your own sentence and tell you that your personal wooish philosophies are nothing more than subjective opinion, based on personal beliefs.

AmyWilson

13th February 2008, 01:28 AM

Personal experiences are not evidence.

Depends on the subject.

If you experienced one thing, then later found a guy who described the exact same experience you had, you'd surely know it's real.

And if personal experiences aren't evidence, than what is real? Are your parents, dogs, cats, and trees real? You experience them.

amb

13th February 2008, 04:05 AM

devnull

13th February 2008, 04:51 PM

The NDEs are very similar. The tunnel, the light, the dead relatives, ect, ect. Does that not prove that there's something going on in the brain's shut down mode? I can't for the life of me see any evidence for survival of the soul in all that. I have heard that the spirit world is a place where mind creates what you think should exist. In other words, if you think you are talking to Jesus, then Jesus is who it is your talking to. So shouldn't NDEs all be different? That there not proves that it's just the brain shutting down. A natural phenomenon, nothing more.

People should listen to you.......considering you're west australian, you must be right!

Ron_Tomkins

13th February 2008, 05:18 PM

Depends on the subject.

If you experienced one thing, then later found a guy who described the exact same experience you had, you'd surely know it's real.

Well, the list of people who don't understand the concept of evidence is larger than I thought.

Answering your question:
"If you experienced one thing, then later found a guy who described the exact same experience you had, you'd surely know it's real."

That's still not evidence when it comes to making a claim. There are also cases of collective hallucinations in which more than one person sees something that isn't real. In order for an experience to be evidence it needs to be tested several times by impartial third parties.

And if personal experiences aren't evidence, than what is real? Are your parents, dogs, cats, and trees real? You experience them.

Welcome to the metaphysical fallacious argument most used by people in the modern era. This kind of question bears no interest to me (and most people here, I assure you). You can waste centuries of your life pondering on what is real and what isn't. We're talking whithin an agreed protocol of a reality that we all share. If you wanna take it to the metaphysical world, you will get some mind stimulating debates a la Matrix, but other than that you will surely never get a serious paranormal claim tested by the JREF.

There is to the date no evidence of souls and afterlife experience. There are only personal experiences which have already many rational explanations: hallucinations, dreams and other mind phenomenons.

hamelekim

13th February 2008, 06:02 PM

The NDEs are very similar. The tunnel, the light, the dead relatives, ect, ect. Does that not prove that there's something going on in the brain's shut down mode? I can't for the life of me see any evidence for survival of the soul in all that. I have heard that the spirit world is a place where mind creates what you think should exist. In other words, if you think you are talking to Jesus, then Jesus is who it is your talking to. So shouldn't NDEs all be different? That there not proves that it's just the brain shutting down. A natural phenomenon, nothing more.

Actually, a majority of NDEs do NOT have a tunnel of light. That is in less than 20% of cases. I need to go look up statistics on the dead relatives in NDEs. There is no overarching similarity other than the out of body aspect to the NDE. Well there's the whole peace/love thing too. NDEs cannot be linked scientifically, with evidence, to the dying brain at this point.

hamelekim

13th February 2008, 10:20 PM

From "The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences."

The famed "tunnel" component, for example, is present in less than one-third of the actual experiences. In the first-ever national poll taken on near-death states by Gallup in 1982, only 9 percent claimed to have passed through a tunnel.

Elements commonly experiences include,

1. visualizing or experiencing being apart from the physical body, perhaps with the ability to change locations

2. Greatly enhanced cognition (thoughts clear, rapid, and hyperlucid)

3. A darkness or light that is perceived as alive and intellignet and powerful

4. Sense of a presence

5. Sensation of movement (one's own or things around oneself)

6. Hyperalert faculties (heightened sense of smell, taste, touch, sight, and sound)

7. Sudden overwhelming floods of emotion or feelings

8. Encounter with an identified deceased person or animal or seemingly nonphysical entity

9. Life review (like a movie or in segments, or a reliving)

10. Life previews possible (futuristic)

11. Information can be imparted

One thing to ask is why people only see dead relatives and not alive ones? If it is only in the brain, and it's dying, shouldn't it mix up dead and alive, it should just be people in our memories.

Tim4848

14th February 2008, 09:37 AM

1. visualizing or experiencing being apart from the physical body, perhaps with the ability to change locations.

Every experience is going to be different, just like I woke up to it, as others might have experience the actually leaving from their body. Then how was they brought up, what file cabnet opened up in their mind for this type of experience, and how they comprehind and handle it.

I feel my experience was as normal as normal could get, so to really worry at this time how our inner thoughts make it happen is really ot that important at this time, beause we are past that at this time.

What makes my inner thoughts work everyday, I don't know, but I am growing and getting better at anything that I decide to focus on, as you as well. We have the ability to get better as we go with experience, and that experience has paid off to the point we are at with this topic.

To try my idea.

Who out there can make it happen/

Who can contact somebody, as a third party to me, what they should check out.

I don't have the money to advertise my idea, but people seam to like to follow this possibility, so they too must see some type of potential in what I am saying, and with that being the case, I would like to think I could hold my own some how in the media with this possibility, because people are interested.

Why that is, I can only try and play Family fued with my answers, not really knowing wich was a good responce or not, but it may seam entertaining to some, and I guess that is what you have to ask your self.

Is Tim just a very intertaining kind of guy, just looking for attention, but there is really nothing underneath and there will never be, or he just might be on to something, at least something worth exploring.

I have no compitition on my American Idol show. It is a all or nothing thing with me.

When I run an operation as this idea will have to be played out.

Believe it or not, but I am very good at making things work.

I have no ego, but I do listen to others, and how they feel about me over all.

when I am allowed to focus on my idea 24/7, and have the freedom to do it correctly, you will see a change in this world that will light the sky with energy at times.

Yes there will be an energy in the room, once the room is open to the possibility.

People do so much better at the moment of truth, if they know what type of back flip they will need to do.

Bottom line:

There would be no sports, if you did not decide to measure it, and you explained what you were trying to measure, and as the years still go on, people are learning all kind of new plays and how o play out those plays, and then when you get a spring off from that with my idea, and then i offer to get the idea going.

Please fill free to ask any question about the idea you would like.The idea is out there, I would be glad to go to Boston and walk you through my whole idea, if you would like.

There is no magic in my idea, there is only the possibility.

In the game of 8-ball, I come across a lot of shots that I do not feel i can make, so I play defence instead, and try and let the other player beat me.

I never have a problem if another player can beat me, I enjoy watching them do it. i also like to see how close they did it, to what I would of done.

I do not like beating myself, I am always harder on my self, than you could ever be.

Sure I cut corners in a lot of different area's of my life, to have more time to focus on this mind map of an idea, and how it goes into so many different parts of your life.

I have to close at work today, because one of my managers had a death in the family.

I change my schedule to help today at work, with what we have to work with, and I will change my schedule in the future, if you can comperhind what we just might be able to do, if the possibility is possible.

Now let's take a moment and look at my idea about a part of this idea from the begenning.

For my idea to work, something inside of them would have to be there.

What could last after they die?

Energy

If that true, let's check with science, they say yes, energy can not be destroyrd.
Ten zwigy points

Why could my energy work?

Because it can change form, and it works with friction and movements.

Everything that is anything has a friction, and it is based on the changes of that friction, and in that friction there is different layers to what each friction can or can not do.

I would think that we have a law of friction

I don't know what it is, but I would be willing to bet, that it's laws would work with my idea as well.

Do we live in energy, I fo one believe we do, on a different playing field.

You see a child look like they are going to ead for the street or something and you go to them, with my idea, it is the same thing.

Yes I am saying that if there is a Murphy Law to my idea and that it can be measured.

In business, I don't hire people to fire people, my goal is to mold them into the best that they want to be, and in this field it will be no different.

I just had a thought, each time I go off topc, is like a whole new area to explore about this topic, and I am just touching on it, because I had the thought, and I decided it was time to dump it.

Yes I have jumped around a lot just replying to one of many good questions, but as you can see, there is so much I want to say, and if you truly believe I am only doing this for attention, then that is your choise.

I hate having to sound like I have to sell myself to try and build some type of value like a Rush

I do like the idea of being able to walk through the whole idea in a documentry of some type, just to get it out there, so you can make a choise if you like it or not.

what do you think,

Thank you for reading my thoughts, and please fill free to reply good or bad,

Tim

Ron_Tomkins

14th February 2008, 09:44 AM

blablablabla

Tim

www.saltcube.com

Loss Leader

14th February 2008, 09:56 AM

I would think that we have a law of friction

I don't know what it is, but I would be willing to bet, that it's laws would work with my idea as well.

You would lose that bet. There is a law of friction and it is this: whenever you do work, some of the energy you use will be converted to heat. Once it is converted to heat it is, for all practical purposes, gone. It is unavailable for use by you anymore. The heat spreads out, heats its surrounding environment, raises the average temperature very slightly and then spreads some more. Energy can neither be created nor destroyed but it can be spread out over such a large area that there is nothing you can do about it.

Imagine your car as it burns gas. It burns gas to create energy. Some of that energy heats the engine block and the engine heats the hood. But none of the heat in the hood is available to power the car anymore. Instead, it warms the air slightly. It hasn't been destroyed but, for your purposes, it's gone forever. You can never get it back.

Now you keep blathering on for page after page about how the mind is "energy" and how "energy" can neither be created nor destroyed. But the things you have said about friction prove that your idea can never work under any circumstance.

Even if the mind is energy, in order to interact with the world, it would encounter friction. Friction would turn some of the mind energy into heat. The heat would dissipate into the atmosphere and be unavailable for use anymore. The mind would have less energy.

You still have yet to learn even the basics of the science behind what you're talking about. Your idea is impossible. Stop ranting about it.

jond

14th February 2008, 10:01 AM

Your idea is impossible. Stop ranting about it.

That should read "Fill Free to stop ranting about it."

Tim4848

14th February 2008, 10:19 AM

"some of the energy"

See now that one was not that hard.

Some, not all, regardless of time, a give and take just lie anything else, we still have about the same amount of water we have always had, and atomes as well, and this falls in line with my idea, because of the constance priniple.

Can some survive, and if they are taught to be calm in this situation, does that help them or not, so many unanswered questions at this time.

What can we do to help theodds, depending onsome doable worst case senerio's

No results at the moment of truth, flat out nothing.

You decide at that point, I might not even alive at that point.

All I can do is get it started and hope it happens in my life time.

Why should we have to wait so long to find out?

that is when the moment of truth happens for this topic, anything before that was just less us the worst senerio, due to just being more focus on the possibility to begin with.

Just the way I see it at this point, but you decide.

We have always lived in energy in our body, and we have seen the power of energy in different things through out our life, but now we are counting for some that might be in the invisible force, and we are thinking about giving them a chance to interact.

Now let's talk about this potential out of body afterlife, it in deed they do exsist.

What must be going through their thoughts everyday?

Do they stay close to friends and relities feeling safer in this situation, or are they out seeing the sites that they could not afford to see before, or are they in a dormid state, because of choices they made with comperinding their new outcome, lasting away in a dream state.

Sure this dream stae sounds good, but how long does it last?

I for on would like to be of sound mind as I am right now, and see if we can just improve the living conditions a bit.

Communication is what we seam to live for anymore, and this is just a follow through to that type of thinking to begin with.

Yes in a way, we are like talking Ants, exploring different situations, and reporting our results along the way help everybody along the chain, as we take this idea to the next level, just to see what crumb lays in store.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Tim

Tim4848

14th February 2008, 10:21 AM

Please help me try it, and I will be glad to do that.

Tim

Ron_Tomkins

14th February 2008, 04:10 PM

That should read "Fill Free to stop ranting about it."

"some of the energy"

See now that one was not that hard.

Some, not all, regardless of time... blabalba....

...What can we do to help theodds, depending onsome doable worst case senerio's...blablabla

I don't think he feels free to stop ranting about it.:D

Loss Leader

14th February 2008, 06:51 PM

Tim4848

14th February 2008, 11:00 PM

Not only do you have no idea what you're talking about but when it's explained to you, you willfully ignore it.

You brought up friction. I told you that in any interaction some energy is lost forever to friction.

Now, you claim there is some sort of give and take - water, atoms, blah blah. But that is not what I said: Some of the energy is lost. Forever.

Let's pretend that your mind survives death as pure energy. "You" are pure energy. You are 100 units of pure energy.

If you interact with the physical world, some energy is lost to friction forever. You never get it back. So, you interact with the world to power the Braingate device and you lost 4 units of energy. You are now not 100 units but 96 units.

Where did those 4 units come from? What part of you were they? Were they your memories of grade school? Were they the names of your relatives? Were they your sense of smell?

Each time, you interact with the world, you lose more and more energy. When do you stop being you? When 12 units are gone? 36? 89?

When you are just left with 1 unit of energy, you are 1/100th of what you were. What are you then?

Your idea cannot possibly work. Ever, ever, ever. Stop talking about it.

Science saids that energy can not be destroyed, they did not say it is like a fire ball, and the more you suck on it, the more you lose.

What part of can not be destroyed that you do not understand, and if everything you are saying is true, we should have steam coming off of everything.

I am surprise by some, that want to find any reason to stop this idea, for what good reason they will not say, and sure if they are concern about an out of body losing their energy every time they try this idea, and that was actually the case, then that could be a new problem, and then we will address that new problem and fix it, not give up on it.

Tim

Tim4848

14th February 2008, 11:48 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Some would like to make me look bad anyway that they can dream up, other than focus on the topic, and they know exactly why they do it. It works, it works just like it works in politics, and that is all fine, but that does not get us closer to my idea, because they want to change the subject and focus on something that is so far from the idea it self, that it could serve on purpose, but too waste time.

Now we have talked about why they might be doing this in the past, and maybe it is worth bringing it up again.

they have their own agenda on why they do not want my idea to work, and instead of explaining why they don't want it, they play games.

I like to play games as good as the next person, but i don't like to waste my time, if it is for a different agenda, than focusing on making it happen, because we now can do it for free.

You decide, do you cave in to people trying to make me look bad, when I always give the image, that I just don't care.

I have been there and done that, and this is the best idea out there, please fill free to check out any other options.

Tim

amb

15th February 2008, 01:00 AM

People should listen to you.......considering you're west australian, you must be right!Yes, your right. We West Australians are a special lot, aren't we? Did you know that we are one of the lost tribes of Israel? The majority of this tribe live in a place called Menora. Of course I'm right, unless my wife says otherwise. :)

Loss Leader

15th February 2008, 09:16 AM

Science saids that energy can not be destroyed, they did not say it is like a fire ball, and the more you suck on it, the more you lose.

I don't know what you're talking about. Energy cannot be destroyed but it can be changed to a form that is unavailable to you. In fact, the only way work ever gets done is when energy changes from one form to another. Due to friction, some energy becomes heat which quickly disipates into the ground and air making the whole universe slightly warmer but making the energy unavailable to you forever. It is gone. It cannot be used by you to do more work. Ever, ever, ever. Once it is used to do work, it cannot do more work. Can not.

What part of can not be destroyed that you do not understand, and if everything you are saying is true, we should have steam coming off of everything.

We do have heat coming off everything! Haven't you ever seen the output from an infrared camera? Like, for instance, here (http://www.crrel.usace.army.mil/sid/personnel/images/Maggie.jpg). That output is all waves of heat coming off of every surface. The heat goes out and it never comes back.

Coffee has steam coming off of it. So does your breath in winter. All of this represents heat that is being lost to the environment forever.

Now, the only possible way to get steam is for there to be water that is heated in a sufficiently cold environment for you to see it. So, your statement that we should have "steam" coming off of everything is ridiculous. We only have steam coming off of things that are wet.

Why do you refuse to learn even the most basic facts about science?

Ron_Tomkins

15th February 2008, 12:26 PM

Why do you refuse to learn even the most basic facts about science?

I think it might be because he preffers to believe in "real magic" (See also: Lee Siegel's concept of Real Magic) rather than understand science.

*cough*www.saltcube.com*cough*

Tim4848

16th February 2008, 02:15 AM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

That is a good question, except for it size and weight, and what it needs to make it happen.

We are talking about a possibility that fits a size and weight, and at this size and weight, we do not know what is stronger, and what is weaker, is it energy, or is it afterlife?

I would have to figure that it is afterlife, because energy has the ability to be a stronger force, when placed in stronger situations. like lightning, or a nuclear blast, not to mention pressure form the volume of the energy to begin with.

I would think by now that science has had the ability to use infrared camera on somebody when they die, and I would imagine they have seen something like I am thinking.

when we think of energy, we think about things that we know, we have a herd time understanding something that we don't know.

Medium Lisa Williams show is the closest thing I have seen that is close to what I am thinking about right now.

When she is communicating with afterlife, she can tell when their energy level is low, but she also knows that they have the ability to get stronger again, so they must be able to draw of the area that they are in.

So using your logic, might be right to a point, but it still can not be destroyed. Now depending on what we can do in the future to keep their energy more balance, is one thing to focus on, but to say that they will delete them self is a strong assumption at this time.

I know it is hard for some to understand that you can use your right brain to help your left brain, so when you think it is magic, you really don't have a clue, other than worrying that you just might be wrong.

From what you are saying so far, you now might consider that we can have out of body afterlife, but you are worried about their welfare, and you don't want us to continue because you are worried about their welfare, is that right?

Thank you,

Tim

amb

16th February 2008, 02:51 AM

There has never, in all the history of humankind on this planet ever, ever been a genuine medium. They are either self delusional, or outright frauds. The latter are in the majority.
Science has studied the phenomenon of death for more than 50 years. The results?
Negative. There is no proof whatsoever, that man/woman survives death.
Sorry, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Tim4848

16th February 2008, 03:32 AM

"There is no proof whatsoever, that man/woman survives death."

Now we are getting some where. I say I can provide proof, and I can do it for free.

So there is some proof, and I believe my proof can be measured.

You have never seen the inside of energy, to know what it is, because science it self, do not know what it is, but they can tell you with complete logic, that it is all around you, besides just being in you.

They at this time do not know the moment of truth, no more than you or I do at this time, but my goal is to have a better answer in the future, because you can not be sure your way and you know it, but you go on like it is a dead case, a cold file that never should be explored again, because, and the only reason I can think of, is that it has been solved.

Has it been solved?

Has it been solved?

I will ask again with wanting some evidence that it has been solved, because I don't remember reading that any place.

Where did you read it, I am starting to feel like I should b the skeptic here on this topic, because somebody is trying to play me on my idea, and I don't know why, other than they just can't comprehend it yet.

Please take the time o explain to me, why I can not buy a BrainGate, but we can give one to China?

Where is my sign on this one?

Please do not waste my time playing me, are you scared, what is it, that wants to put you in denial to a possibility that is getting stronger everyday with my topic.

I am read all over the world, by all type of different people, and they all seam to have an interest in this topic, and you can try and break their hope in this reality, but you are just making my inner thoughts want to make this happen more than you will ever know, because this is a purpose that is right for the time, so don't waste our time, don't be a time bandit, get on board, please it is really in your best interest, we are not giving away kool-laid here, no special rules other than don't waste our time.

Don't waste our time on this topic, because that is all we have, a lot of time. A lot of time to try and figure out how bad other people has messed up history, and our chances to have a better way.

I would love to be on Obama cabinet, focusing all my time on that.

If anybody ever gets a chance to read my thoughts, always ask your self what you can do to help get my information out, be it a blog, somebody you know in your local media, or anything else, because I am not afraid to help potential afterlife, because if they are really there, then somebody better do it, just because we really don't know, but my idea is a sure fire way to make it happen though, because we are going to take out that word assume, and find out the best way we can, if it is possible or not.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Don't make me have to repeat my Lobster story again,

Tim

amb

16th February 2008, 04:46 AM

Tim4848

17th February 2008, 02:31 AM

So you are in a lot of words placing your faith in''energy''. Energy may be what the soul consists of. Let me tell you, unless someone has proof to contradict me. Energy has no conscious mind. It's just a random force of nature. Just like electricity, wind, rain, whatever.

Yes you are right up to a point. I have no proof until I can try my free idea with no red tape first.

Random out of body afterlife nature.

My idea is as natural as it can get, and all you have to do is make a paradigm shift to be on the same side of the line as me.

Electricity is just energy, wind is energy, rain is energy, what ever consist of mostly energy.

You are the first person to get to the core where I tell you that it is still possible, and you continue to fight it.

Please take some time to sleep on it, and listen to your inner thoughts when you wake up. Please don't miss the oportunity to listen to your inner thoughts in the morning aout this idea, don't just wing it, with out the power of your inner thoughts, that would be a mistake, because your inner thoughts, keep you alive, and the least you can do is respect that, and keep an open mind.

There is a lot of things in this world that I do not know, or have the desire to want to know, but when it comes to this topic, you have othing to fear but fear itself, because this idea is going to make your life better, once you can get past your inner file cabinet on what you think you know about this topic.

Some people have that same conviction about electing Obama, even though they can not name one thing he has ever done that makes a difference.

I have made a difference by making a idea that is still free, and I am a great american for doing it, but you don't see me on the Sean Hanity Show about it.

I know I could give Oprah a good interview about this topic, but you don't see me on her show.

I know I could help David Letterman about the best top ten list for my topic, but you don't see me there as well.

I know that I have ti have some type of bad habit that Dr. Phil would love to tell you about, but you don't see that as well.

You know years ago when Phil Donahue did his interview shows out of Dayton Ohio, I probally could of wrode my bike down to his show and got on, but not today.

I like to think my idea has value, news value, interview question value, something that needs to be talked about more, by more people, because I know if it is possible, this is the best way to do it.

What if I came up with this idea that if you wash your hands after you go to the bathroom, you are less likely to get pink eye. Is that news worthy?

What gets decided to be news
worthy?

This is one thing I do not understand, no matter how hard I try.

I honestly believe at some point, some one is going to read my topic, and figure out a way, where I can get some media attention.

Believe it or not, but I am so much better in person and up close.

Some say I am very funny, others say I look to serious.

I understand that this is just a forum, and to some it has no more value than my doodling, Pogo, chess, video football, stock car racing, and 8-ball.

Sure I go on and on about everything, and it is just because I have extra time right now, since I can't do my free idea yet, and I am not doing any interviews yet, to try and inform the masses.

Believe it or not, and give your inner thoughts the same chance as well, since it does such a good job everyday keeping you alive naturally, just like the wind, rain, elertricity, and everything else, because once again believe it or not, your inner thoughts knows better than you when a good reality back up plan is worth wild or not.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

amb

17th February 2008, 04:19 AM

You belong on Fantasy Island. But I believe that show was cancelled years ago.
Try Penn and Teller; B.S

Tim4848

17th February 2008, 04:26 AM

You belong on Fantasy Island. But I believe that show was cancelled years ago.
Try Penn and Teller; B.S

The plane, the plane!

Loss Leader

17th February 2008, 07:09 AM

From what you are saying so far, you now might consider that we can have out of body afterlife, but you are worried about their welfare, and you don't want us to continue because you are worried about their welfare, is that right?

That is absolutely not right. I do not know how you could misread my statements to gain that inporession without being aggressively and willfully dismissive of my actual words.

I believe that it is impossible for any sort of "energy" to cohere as an entity after death. I believe that the physics of the universe make such a thing utterly and completely impossible, unworkable and unattainable.

I believe that you have had the nature of "energy" explained to you many, many times but you have disregarded that information because your illness causes you to attemt to preserve your ego through percevoration.

Nothing you say is at all possible. Ever.

You are holding on to this idea for reasons that have nothing to do with science and everything to do with who you are and how you want to feel about yourself.

Ask a family member for help today.

Little 10 Toes

17th February 2008, 12:42 PM

Wow Tim4848. Still trolling without any proof and understanding of basic science. Let's look at your non sequitur today.

Yes you are right up to a point. I have no proof until I can try my free idea with no red tape first. You have no proof. Funny you admit it here. You also mention "red tape". What is that red tape? Why can't you do your idea yourself? Is it because you are still alive? [Note: this is not a threat. His idea works only on dead people.]

Random out of body afterlife nature.If you haven't proven that the afterlife exists, how can it be random?

My idea is as natural as it can get, and all you have to do is make a paradigm shift to be on the same side of the line as me.Please define natural? What happens when I'm not on the same side as you? Does the idea become unnatural?

Electricity is just energy, wind is energy, rain is energy, what ever consist of mostly energy. Ah, here's where your lack of basic science shines. Let's use rain. Rain is not energy. Rain is water vapor condencing and falling to the earth. I cannot connect a lightbulb to rain to get light.

You are the first person to get to the core where I tell you that it is still possible, and you continue to fight it.Why do you continue to fight us when we ask for your foundational proof? We get the idea that you think dead people can talk to us, but you haven't proven anything.

Please take some time to sleep on it, and listen to your inner thoughts when you wake up. Please don't miss the oportunity to listen to your inner thoughts in the morning aout this idea, don't just wing it, with out the power of your inner thoughts, that would be a mistake, because your inner thoughts, keep you alive, and the least you can do is respect that, and keep an open mind.My inner thoughts do not keep me alive. A combo of my cardiovasular system, and my brain keep me alive, (or in the failure of those two things, medical machines can do the job). My inner thoughts however, keep asking me why you haven't provided proof.

There is a lot of things in this world that I do not know, You can say that again... or have the desire to want to know, but when it comes to this topic, you have othing to fear but fear itself, because this idea is going to make your life better, once you can get past your inner file cabinet on what you think you know about this topic.What the heck is my inner file cabinet?

Some people have that same conviction about electing Obama, even though they can not name one thing he has ever done that makes a difference.How does this relavent to your "idea"?

I have made a difference by making a idea that is still free, and I am a great american for doing it, but you don't see me on the Sean Hanity Show about it.Nice appeal to authority. I think that I am a greater patriotic American when I ask you proof before we spend any resources on your unproven "idea".

I know I could give Oprah a good interview about this topic, but you don't see me on her show. And is that because your wife hasn't contacted them yet?

I know I could help David Letterman about the best top ten list for my topic, but you don't see me there as well. Yes, because even when there was a writer's strike on, they found funny things to write about and had re-runs.

I know that I have ti have some type of bad habit that Dr. Phil would love to tell you about, but you don't see that as well.Yes, I do see one bad habit.

You know years ago when Phil Donahue did his interview shows out of Dayton Ohio, I probally could of wrode my bike down to his show and got on, but not today. Especally since his show ended in May 1996. Good job on keeping up to date on things.

I like to think my idea has value, news value, interview question value, something that needs to be talked about more, by more people, because I know if it is possible, this is the best way to do it. Less thinking, more proof.

What if I came up with this idea that if you wash your hands after you go to the bathroom, you are less likely to get pink eye. Is that news worthy?Well, since we already know by studying and having foundational proof that pinkeye is a contagious disease, I'd say you're too late.

What gets decided to be news worthy? If anyone knew that, they'd be rich.

This is one thing I do not understand, no matter how hard I try.[Must supress smart-alec responce]

I honestly believe at some point, some one is going to read my topic, and figure out a way, where I can get some media attention.

Believe it or not, but I am so much better in person and up close.

Some say I am very funny, others say I look to serious.

I understand that this is just a forum, and to some it has no more value than my doodling, Pogo, chess, video football, stock car racing, and 8-ball.

Sure I go on and on about everything, and it is just because I have extra time right now, since I can't do my free idea yet, and I am not doing any interviews yet, to try and inform the masses.

Believe it or not, and give your inner thoughts the same chance as well, since it does such a good job everyday keeping you alive naturally, just like the wind, rain, elertricity, and everything else, because once again believe it or not, your inner thoughts knows better than you when a good reality back up plan is worth wild or not.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Tim4848. Please provide proof that there is an afterlife. No "I've been there" stuff. Otherwise you are a troll who can't even understand why people are fighting you on your "idea".

By the way, how does one come from being a VP of Finance to being someone who has to wear gloves when handleing fast food?

Ron_Tomkins

17th February 2008, 01:43 PM

Tim4848. Please provide proof that there is an afterlife. No "I've been there" stuff. Otherwise you are a troll who can't even understand why people are fighting you on your "idea".

Sorry, but that's actually all he's got (the "I've been there stuff"). So yeah. Sorry to break it up to you, but he is indeed a troll.

A funny and friendly one.... but a troll.

Tim4848

17th February 2008, 02:37 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Next Monday is my birthday, I will be 49 years old.

You don't have to get me anything, that is alright. There is nothing that I need, that I could not just jun up to Wal-Mart and get.

I am just about as old as the Daytona 500, as that track has had a lot of help staying together than i have had to have over that time.

Regardless who wins that race this year, you can bet they will have another race there next year, because people can plan around it.

What can we do with this topic so people can plan around it as well?

Some say if you have a big problem break it down into slices, attacking it on a smaller scale.

How can we do that with this topic?

How can we get people to plan their life around this idea?

Yes water, wind, electric, and all the other stuff has atoms, so they do have energy.

The problem you have is you have to follow a system of brain wash education, and I don't have that luggage, because I make a point not to remember no more that I have too, freeing me up to look at everything differently.

where you on the other hand has to count on old information, taking it to the grave with you, if you don't watch out, because things are always changing and it you don't keep up with it, you become limited in your opportunities.

When the founder of IBM, spoke to the leader of NCR, and asked him about getting into computers, he could not do it, because he lacked seeing the opportunity with a passion.

everyday is a new reality, an opportunities are out there if you are willing to change the way you look at something fast. This is hard, because most people don't wake up everyday thinking that way. They are lost in their reality, and this idea sounds good, but I gave at the office.

Please fill free to do what ever you would like to do through out your life, live every moment of it any way you like, but if come to this site, there is only one thing we are talking about and that is making it happen.

Am I here at this site for attention for myself? No

Am I trying to make sense of it all as I try and inform you where we are at with all this stuff? Yes

Am I the best person to make this happen at this time? No

One of the wealthiest two hundred people on Earth is though.

why don't I answer every interesting question that is asked about this idea, that keep people on the edge of their seat, thinking negative, and seeing this statement or that statement as the one that is going to do me in, just to see that it is not. Now that truly has nothing to do with me, it is the fact that this possibility is naturally in line with all the principles of nature.

Humans have different friction to movement, as their thoughts do as well, and energy is a building block, one that can be measured, regardless the speed of the measurement.

To save time, once my idea is tried, I can go so far into the details of this possibility that you will feel good getting out of the bed everyday, because if you are negative in the future using my idea, regardless where you will fall into how it will be sold, if you are negative on it, you will not be using it.

With so many emotions and concerns to consider, that is just the best way to handle it.

In the future, people that even give off negative messages, will be held to a planned time out.

while I move on with my thoughts, always trying to think of an idea that might help you understand it better, maybe some of you might want to consider how you communicate right now, because of our past mistakes not knowing how to handle energy thought, we made a lot of mistakes, but thanks to my insight into that area, we can fix all those problems that use use to think were evil spirits.

Believe it or not, but my goal is to make you happy, and as you get up to speed with this idea in the future, because one of these days I will print something that just hit the spot, and everything else will just fall right into place.

Believe it or not, but in the future, you will be making remarks like this, and I only say this, because I see it all the time. You are going to make statements like this, "Tim said that was going to happen"

I am not just talking about the idea happening, because that is a given. I am talking about the quality of life we will be living.

How would you like to be happier than you are right now?

Help me!

How would you like to pay less in taxes?

Support me!

How would you like to feel safer than you have ever felt before?

Think about how far I have come with this idea, would you ever dream that anybody could make the claims I am making?

What does your inner thoughts feel. Are they happy with your back up plan?

If by chance I am right with mt idea, how do you feel about that?

If I made it happen, or if it happens after I die later on, would you like to be able to qualify with it?

Do you feel I can take this pain topic and turn it int a pleasure in the future?

What could be in it for you, if you helped me make tis happen in the future?

I would think that it would make you somebody very important, I would think, that if all it took to make my idea work was effort, that we would have a lot of that to go around, because the people that help me reach my goals will be rewarded in so many different way.

A lot of woman drink a lot of milk, because they are worried about bone loss later in life, and they are focused on a window of opportunity, and for that part of their body, that should help, but your inner energy works the same way, and you have to start to measure it, because if you are not in the right mind set, you will limit your self.

pink elephant, yes that is the instructions I give my fingers to type, because I do have high expectations for my inner thoughts in this situation, and I will use what ever extra effort of energy I have to finalize this opportunity before I die, because I will never reach my goals, until this opportunity is focused on correctly, and made user friendly.

I feel if I had to stop along the road just to get a drink of water out of a public water fountain, that you would try and find a reason why that drink is so important.

My topic is no different, looking out and into with less drama, it is friction communicating thought into action and action into a economy that surely needs it, because how things are changing in the future, and how NASA will use my idea, to help support their plans, because they can not do what they are planning to do with out my help.

Yes I said it, NASA is out of funds with out my help in a lot of different fields of science that they would like to pursue, like going into far out galaxy, Will you can not do that, unless you have energy that has the ability to go the sped of light, and maybe even faster.

Dear NASA, my idea is free, and thank you for reading my thoughts,

Sure you have more power than me at this time, but it will fizzle out and you know it, as for me, this idea is so new, that I can throw tings out there and just see what might stick.

Example:

Where did we come from?

Probally a lot of different ways, but this is the one I like.

Tad poles, that was our jump from water to being an albino frog.

From that point on I would look for animals that have the life span of us. Just a thought, and you are free to do the same here any time you like.

Tim

Tim

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim
Would you like so many different links to different people in this field that could argue it f people that

Yes it is true, that I control my ego as much as I can, because it is one thing that holds you back

Even area's of space that has no atoms, is natural, because it originally consisted of nothing, and nothing in a frictional world can not change.

Please fill free to attack me as my mind grows in front of you on tech stuff, and it is a shame as I soon get older into the next second, and the ones following that, but we are truly at a point in our life where we can do something that should of been done the first day that i said I could do it, and that is take down the potential red tape from my idea that will surely be there, because of different reasons in the Government and medical field concerning my opportunity to do what I will need to do to make this idea a reality.

What will it hurt to try?

What will it hurt to grow?

What will it hurt if you are wrong?

What will it hurt if I am wrong?

What will it hurt if somebody comes along after me and does it?

What will it hurt if we just make up our minds to stay focused on this idea?

What would it hurt to find a location and make a museum of all the information that has to do with this idea over the years, and into the future?

What would it hurt to train kids in schools about out of body situations, and a little on what to expect?

What would it hurt to treat this topic like an extension of fantasy football, where the BrainGate patients are treated like players, and then we try and decide which patient we want to support into this reality.

This is what I would think if I was one of these patients.

I would feel good that people are supporting me, because they feel I can come through for them in this situation, and I am sure going to try and do the best I can to make it happen, yes if it is in the cards, I am going to ready.

I would feel good that I have all those flying hours on BrainGate already, and that the machine and I are clicking on all cylinders, then to also know exactly where that machine will be, if that situation comes up, that I can find it, and I have already practiced what I will need to do to have the best chance of making it happen.

All the time I come in contact with this Chinese cook who is next door to my work.

everyday he and I will go out back of the businesses and just think, I grin, and he grins, as we both raise our ams and wave wildly, never taking the communication any further than that.

He is happy, and I am happy, and that is all the communication that we need.

What type of communication do you need?

the only reason our life is over when we die, is because we elect to make it that way and the only reason we would do that is because there is something in it for us to do that.

I have an idea on how we can do it, and it can be done for Free, but nobody is knocking down doors to make it happen, so there must be another reason it is not happening.

Lack of communication maybe, I would not even want to try and explain my idea to my Chinese friend, but I imagine some body else could.

I understand that some people who are a live right now, might not want this to happen for things they are not proud of, and I base that off the fact that we are told that we all make mistakes.

I understand that it is natural for anybody to view anything differently than anybody else, and you are not going to make everybody happy, but what else is it, that you can just write off the opportunity?

We will analyze that in my next post.

Tim4848

17th February 2008, 03:00 PM

Little 10 Toes

17th February 2008, 04:21 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

a troll as I have been explained is somebody who goes to different topics, as a lot of you do, as I only stay with one topic, trying to inform people about it, as you try and dismiss what I say as thought you know something about it, when in fact you do not, regardless of your education, because your higher education do not know either, if they would of not be doing experiments in this field as they did last year, just trying to blow it off to something else, when all they did was show that your inner energy has the ability to do the things it would have to do to make that a possibility. Close, but not correct. A troll is someone who also ignores facts and keeps trying to bring attention to one's self. If we use your original defination, you DO fit troll since you have gone to multiple websites (including a financial website if I remember correctly) and have started this same type of topic. Also nice run-on sentence that hardly makes sense. You mention "if they would of not be doing experiments in this field as they did last year [sic]". Who is they? Links to the experiments?

It is kind of like after you learn how to protect your self. If you can not do it,your inner energy takes care of the problem by default. I can use karate to protect myself. My bones will mend slightly stronger when I break them. Your mind can disassocate itself when you get abused. Where is this "inner energy"?

Imagine you held in your hand a plastic clear DVD.

Afterlife is in the invisible force of space, Proof of any "invisible force of space? And how does that relate to a DVD?

Evidence, it is evidence in the fact that I can claim a place that could exist such a possibility. Stop there for a second. Could? Possibility? Doesn't sound like evidence to me. I can claim there is a magical place where wishes come true (Apologies to Mr. Disney), but that doesn't mean I can spit out hot lava.

In other words, we have a location, and in side that location there is so many possibilities, which in it self, explains why so any people other than me, is interested in this topic, because there is so many loose ends, which in it self is evidence again. Sorry, it doesn't prove anything and doesn't provide any evidence.

Celebrities that have nothing to gain, by coming out with their experiences, because it was real to them as well, or 600 million people who will have an out of body experience at some point in their life. Please provide proof that 600 million people will have an out of body experience. Links?

That is a very high number, making it a fact that people claim they have out of body experiences, and with Murphy Law being the way it is, and all the data we could get from just books like those, can make you start to think that I might be on to something, and to do my idea on a curtain day of the year would be even better than my birthday, so why don't we just plan on that. A googol is a very high number. What are "books like those"? Just because people claim one thing, doesn't mean that it is true. Picking on religion for a few minutes, there are many that believe it is true, but there is no proof. By your thinking, reincarnation is true.

What do you think would be the best day of the year just to go on and try my idea for free? One of the days after you provide there is an afterlife.

what would be an important day to do it on?[see above]

don't talk about it, don't think about it, just pick a day that shows Americans you have not forgotten them, regardless how it might seam at times and then see how the Cookie crumbles, with milk.What about all the Canadians?

Tim4848, please provide us with proof. Please don't come back with your whiney "Please help me with my free idea" non sequitur posts. Come back with nice clean, clear, precise posts.

Loss Leader

17th February 2008, 05:10 PM

Humans have different friction to movement, as their thoughts do as well, and energy is a building block, one that can be measured, regardless the speed of the measurement.

Gibberish.

Tim4848

17th February 2008, 05:50 PM

I'm glad to see that everybody is in good form today.

I wonder how many days it has been since I first claimed that I knew how we could do this idea for free and nobody has taken me up on it yet?

Now what have you all done in that same time period I wonder.

Did you do anything as important for less money than my idea?

I forgot, some of you just focus on my lobster story, so please lit me tell it again, for those new thought readers, that don't how you think.

they say if you place on lobster in a bucket of water unsupervised, it will climb out every time, and I guess if it had the right tools, it could be a blind squirrel like me and might find a nut to make my idea work, but if you place another lobster in the bucket, you don't have to place a lid on the bucket, because the other lobster will always pull the other one back down.

Why is this you think?

Why would you want to pull me down, when all you are doing is bringing your self down as well?

Why would you want to bring your self down, what does that do for you?

Did you ever have a dream?

Would you ever like to follow a dream?

Please take some time and decide, do you want to be a lobster all your life, or do you want to help blind squirrels like me every once in a while, just because you can.

My idea gives you hope, your idea goes no where fast, so why do you want to go no where fast?

What is in it for you if we go no where fast.

what makes you happy, please fill free to explain, when did you first notice that you did not want to have a good reality back UP PLAN IN YOUR LIFE?

Tim

Little 10 Toes

17th February 2008, 06:02 PM

Tim4848, what if I had an idea that had no proof behind it?

Loss Leader

17th February 2008, 06:41 PM

I wonder how many days it has been since I first claimed that I knew how we could do this idea for free and nobody has taken me up on it yet?

Since May 2007, I had a second child. Unlike you, he can learn.

Loss Leader

17th February 2008, 06:44 PM

Tim4848, what if I had an idea that had no proof behind it?

Forget having no proof, he doesn't even have a theory. He's done nothing to contact the BrainGate people, to learn how their machine works, to investigate the current research on the physical nature of thought, to sift through OBE data for reliable accounts, or to conduct any sort of "proof of concept" experiment on his own. He just keeps writing on the internet about wanting other people to do ... something ... about his idea. I'm not even sure what it is he wants from us.

Tim4848

17th February 2008, 06:44 PM

Proof, I have proof.

Six hundred million people in their life time will have an out of body experience, that is enough proof to me with the one I had years before, when you throw in the fact that I live inside energy my whole adult life and that energy can not be destroyed, and then when you throw in a machine that communicates with thought through friction and math, and the rest is history once it is played out.

Tim

Little 10 Toes

17th February 2008, 07:12 PM

Loss Leader

17th February 2008, 07:30 PM

you throw in a machine that communicates with thought through friction and math, and the rest is history once it is played out.

Thanks for my new sig line.

Tim4848

17th February 2008, 07:45 PM

Thanks for my new sig line.

Don't mention it
Anything I can do to help.

The plane, the plane!

Tim4848

17th February 2008, 08:25 PM

Link showing 600,000,000 people will have an OBE? Proof you life inside energy (which, by the way, you still haven't explained based on todays science principles). Proof that BrainGate communicates by friction.

PS: Can you explain to me how you got from being a VP of Finance to working, I assume, entry-level fast food. You can PM me if you wish.

Good question:

I am a General manager and I have some great employees who free me up to focus on this topic some and allows me to interact with you.

I have no doubt after my idea is set up and put into place, that I could find a different job, one that is easier on the body, but one thing at a time.

There is a lot of good jobs out there, and there is a lot of good jobs that needs people like me, but I can not do everything, and I have come to learn to say no to some parts of it.

I am willing to hurt myself financially for this topic, I believe in it that much.

I would not have a problem if I am just setting up the next person to take my idea to he next level.

We can go on and on about me, and sure I could tell you all type of stuff about it, but that is not why I am here. I have an idea that can be applied, and the whole idea is based on different principles than ever have been tried before.

All I will be doing is cross training patients on how to do it, and the best way to do it. they will be the ones that will make it happen, not me.

I think that we both look at this opportunity differently, because you are comparing my idea to past mistakes, as I am comparing it to past successes.

Example:

I knock down nine pins,but you remind me that I left one.

My goal is to say good job knocking down nine pins, what can we do to get that last one?

I always hate it when an employee tells me that they are sorry for about everything they do, because I am not measuring them that way. I do not hire employees, train them, and then find a reason to get rid of them.

I want them doing back flips, showing me how that are getting better, until they are better than me.

I want them to have mt job, if they can do it, just as long as they did not do it by the demise of somebody else.

Now on the other hand, I tell employees if we an not work out a problem then they are free to go over my head, and then we all will fix the problem, or head up from there.

Unless it is a policy or a procedure that needs change, I never have problems making it all work correctly.

I believe that we all our customers, and the customer is always right, unless it pertains to policies or procedures.

I don't own you, and I don't want to control you, all I want to do is inform you about my different experience in this field and let you decide if you would like to be a part of it.

Is there a lot of different things I could be doing to make my idea get done?

I imagine there is, and if it is meant to be, a power stronger than I will play a role in making it happen, I have no doubt.

If you really read some of my replies, you can tell when my inner thoughts are ready to do something above expectation, and sure it has not all coma at once, but when you add it all up, it does make a nice little idea package, when you consider I have no experience in that field.

I would think that some would consider it amazing, and when you throw in that I did it with out having to re-invent the wheel, and to do it at no cost, just takes my breath away.

Tim

Tim4848

17th February 2008, 11:44 PM

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Lets get a mediator to decide what direction we should go with thirds topic.

What do you think?

Let them here both sides of the story, with out having to produce any thing at this time, because the claim is based on the moment of truth for this idea is at the time of death for the patient that Will have used BrainGate at some point in their life, and their death was determined to be of natural causes, and not any foul play.

No this will not be a free ticket for everybody, at least not in what they will be allowed to do.

At this point in history, I would imagine that no afterlife, if there is such a thing, has any clue that I am focus on this opportunity for them.

If they do or don't, does not matter at this time, because they still will not have that opportunity for quite some time in history, and then they have to be screened, for all type of information that could prove to be helpful.

When you can visualize what is in Pandora's box, is it not in your best interest to see if it is a good tip or not. What would a tip like mine be worth in reality land.

People believe in all kind of stuff, why not my idea?

Is it that bad, and I am asking other people that view this site.

What can I do to make you happy?

I really mean it, I am raised to serve, and if you are grinning, then I am winning, but if you are sad, then I feel bad, and I don't want to take anything with me that has been left to assumption, if I had the chance to make it right the best I can.

In the customer service field, I never win a fight with a customer unless it has something to do with policies or procedures.

The reason I can break the whole bad experience down so easily is because my inner thoughts like to make my life easier.

Why am I good in the business world?

I handle the moment of truth very well.

I am calm, when calm is needed.

I listen very well, when I feel I need to listen

I analyze the problem and have a solution in seconds, or at least by the next day, depending on how important the information is.

I use curtain laws in business that get to the point, and it is all done in real time.

I know what is needed to build a business, when it comes to operations, because It too comes natural to me.

I started my work life doing the worst jobs that can be done, but I learn from them, and I started enjoying learning from them, and sure I day dream to keep keeping on with life in general, but that is who I am.

I make no friends, don't want close friends, and I can not show favoritism to anybody, regardless of their position, so if you were my boss and I caught you doing something wrong, then it is my job to fix that problem, and depending on the company, that could be so many different options, and trust me when I say, I will pick the best one.

As good as my idea is, and as free as it might be to do, I also do believe I am very strong in other fields of life, and please trust me when I say this, I am not bragging or anything to do with ego, drama, but the cold hard facts.

The only reason I use me as an example, is because I am here, I won't get upset, if I am made fun of to a point, and it just saves time.

Before I go too far out into my right thoughts, I just want to Say this first.

I can not tell you that my idea will work, regardless when I feel my moment of truth with it will be.

I would love to say we can find out ten minutes later, but it don't work out that way, at least not in this country, and yes I go on and on at times trying to promote my self like Rush, but that is really not who I am.

My wife feels I am a lot like Raymond, in the show Everybody loves Raymond.

After managing Domino's pizza stores back when they had a guarantee of 30 minutes or free.

My goal was to make you happy and et your meal to you in the way you would like it, regardless of the weather.

People would call up in a snow storm and they could not believe we were open, and then they would order a pizza as well.

I handle stress very well, the opposite of Raymond.

I get bored so fast, that I must continue past the moment of truth as we know it, because it is too slow for me. During this time I am allowed to create better results, if given the tools to do that. Yes it is in the details, and the details must interact with the moment of truth of reality, because if it can not, then you have to go beck and do it right the next time.

Regardless how some may feel, and if they are feeling correctly, has no bearing with my idea.

My idea is based on giving the patients of BrainGate a plat form to try something that may, or may not work.

I guess you can call it chance

I guess you can call it luck

I guess you can call it an opportunity, a location, a base, a platform to communicate,something to do, just in case it can happen.

I guess if it works out as I say it can, then you will have your evidence.

What evidence would you have?

What part of that process do you not see?

We will not see clear movement, we will not see ghost, we will not see anything happening, unless it can be measured at that point, and we won't know that until that time.

Can it be measured at the time a think, I don't know. Who could possibly know that, unless they are better qualified than me in that area, but I just have not seen any evidence on the other side of this topic to declare it impossible.

I believe if one shred of any paranormal experience that has ever been told is true, then I feel my plan idea will exceed that, because of the training, and confidence to try and make it happen.

Sure I could give up on my idea, and just turn on the TV, and watch two boxers going at each other, and wondering how far is the lobster willing to go to stop me.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim