The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities

[Loss Leader]

Help with something you are good at.

a great web site for this topic.

a great blog about this topic.

Anything that could be conceived as positive.

...

Some of you could of taken a two year course on any field in science as I talk about this possibility.

...

I think i have done my fair share already, and now i am just an icon to the concept, as a reference point.




Tim - You haven't done your fair share. You have done absolutely nothing. You were the person who refused to buy a $26.00 book about energy because it was more money than you intended to spend developing your whole idea. Then you refused to go to the library and get a book for free.

Have you even read anything about Thomas Edison, your hero? He didn't just get an idea. He spent years and years of his life and his employees lives and thousands and thousands of his own dollars to develop the light bulb. And then he spent even more money convincing municipalities to use it.

If you cared about your own concept at all, you would be investing in it. But you aren't. You aren't spending a cent. You aren't reading a book, you aren't developing a web site, you aren't doing anything.

No one here will help you. In fact, no one anywhere will ever help you until you prove your own commitment by investing your own time and money.

I, for one, would be very, very impressed if you would just go to the library and read a book about electricity.

But you won't. You never will.

Thank you for reading my invisible fill free candy-coated thoughts.

[Tim4848]

Tim - You haven't done your fair share. You have done absolutely nothing. You were the person who refused to buy a $26.00 book about energy because it was more money than you intended to spend developing your whole idea. Then you refused to go to the library and get a book for free.

Have you even read anything about Thomas Edison, your hero? He didn't just get an idea. He spent years and years of his life and his employees lives and thousands and thousands of his own dollars to develop the light bulb. And then he spent even more money convincing municipalities to use it.

If you cared about your own concept at all, you would be investing in it. But you aren't. You aren't spending a cent. You aren't reading a book, you aren't developing a web site, you aren't doing anything.

No one here will help you. In fact, no one anywhere will ever help you until you prove your own commitment by investing your own time and money.

I, for one, would be very, very impressed if you would just go to the library and read a book about electricity.

But you won't. You never will.

Thank you for reading my invisible fill free candy-coated thoughts.


Thank you for sharing your thoughts,


Thomas A. Edison was in a position to do it on his own.

I am not.

All I can do is inform.

Yes, it is true that I am doing my idea concept different, and there is a reason for that.

If I died at any point to informing about my idea concept, plus the fact that I wanted to build a path with this thread in case somebody did come behind me and finished my work later, but as it turns out.

We were able to put the whole concept together, and now if I died unexpectedly, it's out there for anybody to see and try.

You may never view this topic again, but you will never forget it.

A constant possibility

This is for everyone, and if it works, then everybody will have the opportunity to gain from it.

I just want to get this off my bucket list. Don't you?

In regards to me not doing anything. What free life changing idea concept have you come up with before?

Don't think about The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities.

I would think by announcing my idea concept. That I did do something.

You can think anything you like, but you are only accountable when you
let other people know about them.


I let you, you, you, you, know about them. Now what you, you, you, you, do with that information is up to you, you, you, you!!!

Don't do the idea concept. That is your choice as well. Prove me wrong and never think about this idea concept again.

Electricity:

I have ask before to find a link that shows that science knows what is inside all energy. No one has done that. No one has shown any energy that science knows what is in side it.

They know it can not be made. They seam confident about that.

They know it can not be destroyed. They seam confident about that.

They know it can change form. They seam pretty confident about that.

Right brain time.

Imagine you went to a haunted house, and you wanted to communicate with the ghost.

What would you do?

Try and talk to the ghost?

Matching it up to my out of body experience.

I would not be able to hear you.

I would not be able to talk to you, unless you gave me a tool like BrainGate.

Yes you would have to give me time on it.

I can not wish it to happen

I can not just make the lights flicker to get a chance, but you would have to share and be willing to let be try and do something at that time.

It would do no good if you are not focused on it.

Nothing is any good if you are not focused on it.

Now if I was in your shoes, and I would really like to see this idea concept happen?

Tell any body about it.

Let a media outlet know.

Write one of your Government officials.

How bad do you want it?

do you want to do it your self, and let us know how it is working for you, or get it started by placing me in a situation where I have the opportunity to try it, and then hold me accountable.

I am at a spot right now where I am no more accountable than anybody else.

Have the media help me get in a situation of accountability.

I believe a reality show would be the best format for this type of possibility.

I cross over a lot of different fields of science for this topic.

I do not need to know more about any curtain field for this idea to work.

I can inform you about subs on sale at Subway, with out having to buy one or invest in one.

I can inform you about this idea with out having to do it, but I am also offering to invest more of my time in it.

If you do not want me to have any part in it. that is your choice.

Do I have to do all the leg work to get it started as well?

Only by informing you of this free offer, and letting you decide if you want to help make it happen, and if you can do that, and you want my help.

Just ask!

If you want me to interact with the media about this possibility.

Just ask!

I have tried it your way and sent them e-mails, and they have not returned them.

That is their choice as well, but is it right?

You decide that.

Now what can anybody reading this topic for the first time do to help make this idea concept happen.

1) Talk about it

[leonAzul]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts,


Thomas A. Edison was in a position to do it on his own.



Achievement = 99‰ perspiration versus 1‰ inspiration.


<snippage>

1) Talk about it

You haven't done nothing ;)

Ji2ma2mfyhU

[Tim4848]

Achievement = 99‰ perspiration versus 1‰ inspiration.



You haven't done nothing ;)

Ji2ma2mfyhU



"Achievement = 99‰ perspiration versus 1‰ inspiration."

Potential for this type of possibility = 99% inspiration, less than 1% perspiration.


We already have the machine.

We already have the patients

Your pin numbers are free!

It takes very little effort to tell some body about this topic.

If you know about what time they would want to view this topic, and I will try and find the time to answer any questions they have.

Right now I am working 7 days a week between the hours of 10:00 am to 9:00 pm.

Everything to do with this topic right now is in limbo, just waiting for the opportunity, and yes you are right. I have no plans of changing my position on this possibility, unless you or somebody else can prove that it is not possible.

A theory to stop this possibility could never happen because the math is not in your favor. It has never been in your favor.

The other day on Coast to Coast I heard about a man who woke up right before they were getting ready to do an autopsy on him.

I have always heard that nobody has ever come back from the dead.

Maybe they don't come back after autopsies.

How long does an out of body experience have to last before they are considered back from the dead?

In a lot of sports they do a ten count.
People seam to be happy with that.

Now you could say that they have to be dead a year before they can come back as evidence, but you know that would be too long as well.

My idea concept is all inspiration because it will only happen when you decide you want it.

Maybe not today, but you will.

Maybe you will have better luck getting in the front door with no red tape at that time.

Just as BrainGate opens the door in that field of science, so will this one at some point.


Will it have to be tried on some old BrainGate or something like it?

Possibly

This topic is tied into time

This topic is tied into the Wholly Grail of anti-matter

This topic is tied into the sting theory.

This topic is tied into your invisible thoughts

This topic is tied into you be able to comprehend it or not.

This topic has a past, present, and a future, and it changes just like science saids energy does.

Paradigm movement in any direction.

You know that you are inside of something?

You can feel it.

How does it feel to be inside something?

Does it feel good?

Is it a nice tight fit?

Do you control your thoughts, or do they control you.

Do you tell your thoughts at night to make sure you work the way you do?

My idea concept already covers everything, and it is free!

When your good your good!

Mr. Edison did it for a profit. I'm more like Tesler who died broke!

If you have a better plan than mine, please fill free to share it.

I am now going to go play chess at pogo to relax.

Please fill free to play me at the Master level there if you like, and just see how good my 99% is. My name on there is tim484848.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own,

Tim

[Loss Leader]

I have tried it your way and sent them e-mails, and they have not returned them.


Please post the text of your emails and the addresses you sent them to.

[Tim4848]

It would be easier to try my experiment than find that e-mail, but I sent it to John
Donoghue at Brown University.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS258&q=John+Donoghue%20C+chairman+of+Brown+University%2 7s&btnG=Search

Please fill free to set up appointment with him, or anybody else there if you would like.

Tim

[Loss Leader]

It would be easier to try my experiment than find that e-mail, but I sent it to John
Donoghue at Brown University.



What are you talking about? You sent the email. Copy it here.

[Tim4848]

What are you talking about? You sent the email. Copy it here.

I sent it a long time ago!


How do I find it?

[Tim4848]

What can I do to make you happy about this idea concept?

I sent them an e-mail, I know I did. What does that matter?

After I am dead and gone you can look at all my information in a museum some day.

Regardless if I ever get my chance or not to try this idea concept in my life time. I will still be remembered as the one you had the idea concept first.

They build museums for anything these days, and some how after I am long and gone, who knows what might happen.

Maybe if nothing.

i will help open this door for others, who are not afraid to take it to the next level.

I just hope they are from our country.

A place where we at least attempt to do it right.

Side Bar:

Assume thought:

I believe that Bush knew all along that Georgia was going to get attacked.

I believe that they even worked it out, where he gets it under control before he leaves office.

Building a strong legacy, and making Obama look small in this type of crises.

McCain had already worked it out with him, and now this will be a chance for the leader of Georgia to praise
McCain now, and then use him again when they have their convention.

This is a plan strategy.

It is a win, win for everybody in the Democratic party.

Everything in life comes down to pain and pleasure.

They scare you right into McCain's ballot box.

Can Hillary save them?

I believe that Obama and McCain both should address this topic.

Reagan had Star Wars

who gets

Afterlife communication?


What can I do to make you happy about this idea concept?

It covers everything.

It is the string theory of everything, and we are ready for it any time you would like.

Other time bandit would rather play games and talk about anything to do with advancing this possibility.

They play a strange game of delaying the possibility, or trying to stop it all together. Even though it has nothing to do with digging up bones or anything else weird.

It is just giving people more options.

Options that they have never been given before.

We talk about China during the Olympics about how they try and control their people from having options like we have but do we really have more options?

Why not try my option?

Answer that question

Why not try my option?


I did not stutter.

Why not try my option?

It is your turn to get to the point.

What is your number one answer why we should not do it?

Please take the time to copy any one of the questions below and answer it the next time you post anything.

the new school year is getting ready to start, and we need to do the same with this topic as well, so every time you want me to reply to something you want. You reply to something i want, and I want you to answer this question below.

Why not try my option?


"Why not try my option?"

i would like ten different people to give ten different answers to my question, before i answer any more questions.

This has to be a good deal for both of us.

Remember it has to be positive

I don't count negativity.


Why not try my option?

If you would like to contact Cyberkinetics and set me up a day to go on a field trip there, then you went up and above of what some of the ones here on this site might do, but who is counting.

I have no problem talking or interacting with any of you, but i just honestly feel that negativity is such a waste of time, and i am sorry that some of you feel that we all are Nancy Grace C.S.I. people, and it is our right not to buy into anything, even though we can plainly see that this idea concept is so harmless that we be ashamed of our self's for not thinking of this sooner.

250,000 people die everyday on average, and they never got a chance to weigh in on this. Take advantage of what we might have here, and see if we can't do something with it.

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, and this topic, idea, and concept is no different.

Everything happens in life for a reason, and if you really want answers, then set me up, so i can get the people who can answer all your questions, but until you do that. you are doing nothing but blowing smoke up my topic.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

Tim

[Loss Leader]

I sent it a long time ago!


How do I find it?


1. Open your email program.
2. Click on the "Sent Messages" folder
3. Go down the list until you find the email.
4. Double Click on the email.
5. Hold down your right mouse button and scroll over the email until you have selected all of it.
6. Go to the menu at the top of the page and click on "Edit" and then "Paste."
7. Close the email program
8. Come here to this thread and put your cursor in the box to type a new message.
9. Click "Edit" and then "Paste" at the top of the page
10. Click "Submit Reply" at the bottom
11. Retire for the evening

[Alice Shortcake]

Originally Posted by Tim4848
Would you like me to add some pain from my end...

No, Tim, but I'd like to add some pain TO your end. Preferably with a studded leather belt. ;)

[Moufflon]

As humans we learned to use a fork, as an afterlife, you learn to float around.


Oh this made me laugh.

[Tim4848]

1. Open your email program.
2. Click on the "Sent Messages" folder
3. Go down the list until you find the email.
4. Double Click on the email.
5. Hold down your right mouse button and scroll over the email until you have selected all of it.
6. Go to the menu at the top of the page and click on "Edit" and then "Paste."
7. Close the email program
8. Come here to this thread and put your cursor in the box to type a new message.
9. Click "Edit" and then "Paste" at the top of the page
10. Click "Submit Reply" at the bottom
11. Retire for the evening




Why don't we just save some time right now, and you answer this question first?


Why not try my idea concept option first?

[Tim4848]

No, Tim, but I'd like to add some pain TO your end. Preferably with a studded leather belt. ;)

Dear Alice Shortcake,

Please save your sex fantasies for another day, and answer this question first.


"Why not try my free idea concept option now?"

[Tim4848]

Oh this made me laugh.

Now that you feel better. why don't you take a moment and answer this question.

Why not try my option?

If you thought that comment was funny. You have not seen anything yet.

If we get my idea concept working. You might get to see jokes in the future from people like George Carlin, Bob Hope, Bernie Mack, and many more.

250,000 people die on average everyday on this Earth, and All I am asking is that we the next 250,000 the chance to weigh in on this option as well.

Sure everybody could say it won't be me, but what if it is. What would you do?


Just go with the flow?


I totally understand if that is the way you feel.

I would imagine if another hurricane was heading for New Orleans. that some of the people would still stay behind, and not try and find a better place.

you have all the options you want on this Earth.

You can laugh, cry, or anything else you would like to do, but at some point you will want to review your options.

It is not as cut and dry as you might think it is.

Either you know or you don't know, and regardless how much value you place in this concept or the one you believe.

You don't know

I have known some people over my life time that always seam to make jokes when they are scared.

Are you scared?

What are you afraid of?

What do you know about this idea concept?

Did you take the time today to get to know all the 250,000 people who will die on average today?

Did you take the time to get to know each and every one of them, and get to know their family trees?

Do jokes help you to block this free idea concept out of your life?

Don't worry too much about it, because you only have 40,000 thoughts a day on average, and you really don't have the time to morn other people's deaths like this if you wanted too.

I have nothing wrong with people telling jokes from time to time, but i also don't see why you can't answer some important questions as well about this topic.

Maybe before you tell your next joke on this topic, answer this question.


Why not try my idea concept option, and just maybe you might get a good laugh out of it some day?

[leonAzul]

Tim4848, please show us the way by trying your own idea concept option (sic).

We are waiting on your reply with bated breath.

[Akhenaten]

Now that you feel better. why don't you take a moment and answer this question.

Why not try my option?

Your option? To type out the longest-running stream of self-deluded gibberish in the history of the internetz? It truly is a mystery why that wouldn't be a popular option, eh Tim?


If you thought that comment was funny. You have not seen anything yet.

Actually, we have. Lot's and lots. Conclusions have been drawn.


If we get my idea concept working. You might get to see jokes in the future from people like George Carlin, Bob Hope, Bernie Mack, and many more.

Believe it or not, jokes from dead comedians will be available far into the future thanks to existing technology. So will your posts. Have you ever considered that?


250,000 people die on average everyday on this Earth, and All I am asking is that we the next 250,000 the chance to weigh in on this option as well.

How?


Sure everybody could say it won't be me, but what if it is. What would you do?

I'd say, "Oh, it's me!"


Just go with the flow?

That's what I do.

Cleanse me. Baptize me.

Cleopatra was so thirsty as this
When she prayed for Egypt’s ultimate bliss
The source of life which travels miles
Come wash my pain, oh River Nile

Cleopatra desired, and yearned the same
As the towns of Egypt just burnt like flame
Burnt for the cause of joy & smile
Come cleanse my wounds, oh River Nile

How I need more when you’re pouring lean
How I want more when you’re rushing mean
How I plunge into your crystal flow
How I follow where the whirlwinds blow

River Nile, My River Nile -
Your mystic keeps me dreaming
Your wonder fills my longing

River Nile, My River Nile -
Your power keeps me floating
Your healing ends my bleeding

Like a desert baptized by the sky,
Love overflows in me, My River Nile.

- My River Nile by Je ' Free

http://www.netpoets.com/poems/love/0520004.htm


I totally understand if that is the way you feel.

I am compelled to doubt that.


I would imagine if another hurricane was heading for New Orleans. that some of the people would still stay behind, and not try and find a better place.

you have all the options you want on this Earth.

Some choose wisely, others, not so much.


You can laugh, cry, or anything else you would like to do, but at some point you will want to review your options.

It is not as cut and dry as you might think it is.

Either you know or you don't know, and regardless how much value you place in this concept or the one you believe.

You don't know

. . . what you are talking about. In fact, I haven't a clue.


I have known some people over my life time that always seam to make jokes when they are scared.

Are you scared?

No, but I'm safe here at home and you're . . . out there somewhere.


What are you afraid of?

Crazy people.


What do you know about this idea concept?

i·de·a (-d)
n.
1. Something, such as a thought or conception, that potentially or actually exists in the mind as a product of mental activity.
2. An opinion, conviction, or principle: has some strange political ideas.
3. A plan, scheme, or method.
4. The gist of a specific situation; significance: The idea is to finish the project under budget.
5. A notion; a fancy.
6. Music A theme or motif.
7. Philosophy
a. In the philosophy of Plato, an archetype of which a corresponding being in phenomenal reality is an imperfect replica.
b. In the philosophy of Kant, a concept of reason that is transcendent but nonempirical.
c. In the philosophy of Hegel, absolute truth; the complete and ultimate product of reason.
8. Obsolete A mental image of something remembered.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/idea


Did you take the time today to get to know all the 250,000 people who will die on average today?

Did you take the time to get to know each and every one of them, and get to know their family trees?

Do jokes help you to block this free idea concept out of your life?

No, that would be common sense. Jokes serve another purpose altogether.


Don't worry too much about it, because you only have 40,000 thoughts a day on average, and you really don't have the time to morn other people's deaths like this if you wanted too.

Phew! That's a relief.


I have nothing wrong with people telling jokes from time to time, but i also don't see why you can't answer some important questions as well about this topic.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! New irony meter please.


Maybe before you tell your next joke on this topic, answer this question.


Why not try my idea concept option, and just maybe you might get a good laugh out of it some day?


I've already had a million laughs out of it. No need to define, let alone try your idea concept.

I'm not exactly sure whether that was my answer or my next joke. You decide.



with apologies for that awful poem,


Nepher-keperu-Re Wa-en-Re

[Tim4848]

Tim4848, please show us the way by trying your own idea concept option (sic).

We are waiting on your reply with bated breath.

Wrong answer try again.

Minus one point their score.

as an added bonus.

I will be the official score keeper.

I'm up one, you are down one on focus questions for this topic.

Please take your time and try and do better next time.

Do you still remember the question i wanted you to answer?

Please fill free and research that, if you don't remember the question.

[Tim4848]

Your option? To type out the longest-running stream of self-deluded gibberish in the history of the internetz? It truly is a mystery why that wouldn't be a popular option, eh Tim?




Actually, we have. Lot's and lots. Conclusions have been drawn.




Believe it or not, jokes from dead comedians will be available far into the future thanks to existing technology. So will your posts. Have you ever considered that?




How?




I'd say, "Oh, it's me!"




That's what I do.






I am compelled to doubt that.




Some choose wisely, others, not so much.




. . . what you are talking about. In fact, I haven't a clue.




No, but I'm safe here at home and you're . . . out there somewhere.




Crazy people.









No, that would be common sense. Jokes serve another purpose altogether.




Phew! That's a relief.




Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! New irony meter please.





I've already had a million laughs out of it. No need to define, let alone try your idea concept.

I'm not exactly sure whether that was my answer or my next joke. You decide.



with apologies for that awful poem,


Nepher-keperu-Re Wa-en-Re

Wrong answer.


Score:

Tim +2
Time bandits -2

If you are so smart, as you claim to be, then you should be able to get the just of this topic out of any mess you feel i made with it.

Please fill free to add that to the other question.

Your home work assignment is now up two two things for anybody willing to interact with me better on this topic.

i have no doubt that you can do this topic better than me, and that you do have some abilities that make you the best to add to it, but to continue to direct your negative time energy toward me, makes you wonder if you do have the ability to comperhind what allthis topic is about.

It is about giving people options, and what they do with those options.

I have given you a chance to answer two questions.

Please take the time to try and answer them better.

This topic is just not about me.

It is for all of us, and if you want to be a part of this topic game, then you should at least try and do better.

[Hokulele]

Why not try my option?


Because there is absolutely no, none, zero, nada, zilch, zip evidence that your option would accomplish anything.

It would be a waste of my time and resources to try your option.

I would accomplish more by rubbing tangerines in my armpits. (I like the scent of tangerines.)

I would accomplish more by calling the phone number chosen by opening the Chicago Yellow Pages at random and ordering a pizza to be delivered to my street address. (It would accomplish annoying the recipient of the phone call.)

I would accomplish more by randomly mashing my keyboard and calling it "wisdom".

GHehd3j2nc0[iPkjhnd23985b[10r`c./do4. (OK, maybe that isn't wisdom after all.)

I would accomplish more by placing a live octopus on my engine block. (I would now have the makings for tako poke.)

I would accomplish more by pouring salad dressing on my dog. (My dog would probably enjoy the occasion. My dog has a strange sense of entertainment.)

I would accomplish more by making faces at Loss Leader that he cannot possibly see. (It would exercise my facial muscles and help keep my skin tone nice and supple.)



To be blunt, trying your "option" is a complete waste of time since you cannot possibly offer any reason to try it other than "why not?".

[Akhenaten]

Wrong answer.


Score:

Tim +2
Time bandits -2

If you are so smart, as you claim to be, then you should be able to get the just of this topic out of any mess you feel i made with it.

Please fill free to add that to the other question.

Your home work assignment is now up two two things for anybody willing to interact with me better on this topic.

i have no doubt that you can do this topic better than me, and that you do have some abilities that make you the best to add to it, but to continue to direct your negative time energy toward me, makes you wonder if you do have the ability to comperhind what allthis topic is about.

It is about giving people options, and what they do with those options.

I have given you a chance to answer two questions.

Please take the time to try and answer them better.

This topic is just not about me.

It is for all of us, and if you want to be a part of this topic game, then you should at least try and do better.


I'll try harder then.


Because of the thought idea that which you have described these options, the question must be in the answers to the just of this topic.

Bare with me.

This topic is just about me.

If it were not to be about me, then the options to be described in the topic game would be to do it better than my options.

Tim, you know this is true, because I have teh smart.


Hope that clears things up for you.


Akhenaten,

Faroe

[wollery]

Akhenaten,

FaroeAkhenaten, an island unto himself!

[Akhenaten]

Akhenaten, an island unto himself!

:D

There's hope for this thread yet.

[Loss Leader]

Why don't we just save some time right now, and you answer this question first?


Why not try my idea concept option first?


No, I will not answer your question first. I asked you to post the emails before you asked this question. My request came first, so let's focus on my request.

You say you sent an email. All I'm asking is that you post the text of the email.

Don't forget that you have lied before. You lied when you said you would stop posting. Maybe you're lying when you say you sent an email. I certainly don't want to try the "idea concept option" of a liar. So, prove that you didn't lie by posting the email.

[Moufflon]

Now that you feel better. why don't you take a moment and answer this question.

Why not try my option?

If you thought that comment was funny. You have not seen anything yet.

If we get my idea concept working. You might get to see jokes in the future from people like George Carlin, Bob Hope, Bernie Mack, and many more.

250,000 people die on average everyday on this Earth, and All I am asking is that we the next 250,000 the chance to weigh in on this option as well.

Sure everybody could say it won't be me, but what if it is. What would you do?


Just go with the flow?


I totally understand if that is the way you feel.

I would imagine if another hurricane was heading for New Orleans. that some of the people would still stay behind, and not try and find a better place.

you have all the options you want on this Earth.

You can laugh, cry, or anything else you would like to do, but at some point you will want to review your options.

It is not as cut and dry as you might think it is.

Either you know or you don't know, and regardless how much value you place in this concept or the one you believe.

You don't know

I have known some people over my life time that always seam to make jokes when they are scared.

Are you scared?

What are you afraid of?

What do you know about this idea concept?

Did you take the time today to get to know all the 250,000 people who will die on average today?

Did you take the time to get to know each and every one of them, and get to know their family trees?

Do jokes help you to block this free idea concept out of your life?

Don't worry too much about it, because you only have 40,000 thoughts a day on average, and you really don't have the time to morn other people's deaths like this if you wanted too.

I have nothing wrong with people telling jokes from time to time, but i also don't see why you can't answer some important questions as well about this topic.

Maybe before you tell your next joke on this topic, answer this question.


Why not try my idea concept option, and just maybe you might get a good laugh out of it some day?

Touched a nerve there I think.

Tim, enough with the self-righteousness.

You seem (note!) to want us to do all the work for you, as you recline, exhausted, perhaps, by the novel experience of having had an idea. But that will not happen. You have not yet earned the right to consider yourself the guru of a new science (this may be an understatement).

You have not convinced a single person here that there is anyting to investigate, mainly because you appear to have done nothing save wonder vaguely whether dead people might be able interfere with a piece of technology. This is not our idea. We don't believe in it. There is very little to discuss because you haven't even tried to get any evidence.

Do something; generate some data. Then we might, conceivably, listen, if you have anything to show us. You don't. You still have a long way to go. Pull your finger out.


No-one here is going to do your work for you, certainly not now, after endless pages of contentless meandering verbiage.



Nepher-keperu-Re Wa-en-Re

You can tell Amenhotep IV, Kenakht Mery-aten, Strong Bull beloved of the Aten, is starting to get a little ticked off when he starts using his pronomen... :D

[Tanstaafl]

Did I miss something? Has Tim given us a coherent description of what his idea is, and exactly what modification the BrainGate needs to implement his idea?


If not; Tim, how can we try your idea, even if we wanted to?

And why should we want to, if there's not the slightest reason to believe that it could work?

[Loss Leader]

Did I miss something? Has Tim given us a coherent description of what his idea is, and exactly what modification the BrainGate needs to implement his idea?


Tim considers the modification of the BrainGate machine from detecting electrical impulses to detecting dead people to be a trivial matter. It's something for the engineers to work out.

He might think differently if he would, you know, read a book.

[Tim4848]

Because there is absolutely no, none, zero, nada, zilch, zip evidence that your option would accomplish anything.

It would be a waste of my time and resources to try your option.

I would accomplish more by rubbing tangerines in my armpits. (I like the scent of tangerines.)

I would accomplish more by calling the phone number chosen by opening the Chicago Yellow Pages at random and ordering a pizza to be delivered to my street address. (It would accomplish annoying the recipient of the phone call.)

I would accomplish more by randomly mashing my keyboard and calling it "wisdom".

GHehd3j2nc0[iPkjhnd23985b[10r`c./do4. (OK, maybe that isn't wisdom after all.)

I would accomplish more by placing a live octopus on my engine block. (I would now have the makings for tako poke.)

I would accomplish more by pouring salad dressing on my dog. (My dog would probably enjoy the occasion. My dog has a strange sense of entertainment.)

I would accomplish more by making faces at Loss Leader that he cannot possibly see. (It would exercise my facial muscles and help keep my skin tone nice and supple.)



To be blunt, trying your "option" is a complete waste of time since you cannot possibly offer any reason to try it other than "why not?".


Tim +3
Time Bandits -3

[Tim4848]

I'll try harder then.


Because of the thought idea that which you have described these options, the question must be in the answers to the just of this topic.

Bare with me.

This topic is just about me.

If it were not to be about me, then the options to be described in the topic game would be to do it better than my options.

Tim, you know this is true, because I have teh smart.


Hope that clears things up for you.


Akhenaten,

Faroe

Keep trying!

Time Bandits -4
Tim +4

[Tim4848]

No, I will not answer your question first. I asked you to post the emails before you asked this question. My request came first, so let's focus on my request.

You say you sent an email. All I'm asking is that you post the text of the email.

Don't forget that you have lied before. You lied when you said you would stop posting. Maybe you're lying when you say you sent an email. I certainly don't want to try the "idea concept option" of a liar. So, prove that you didn't lie by posting the email.

Time Bandits -5

Tim +5

[Tim4848]

Touched a nerve there I think.

Tim, enough with the self-righteousness.

You seem (note!) to want us to do all the work for you, as you recline, exhausted, perhaps, by the novel experience of having had an idea. But that will not happen. You have not yet earned the right to consider yourself the guru of a new science (this may be an understatement).

You have not convinced a single person here that there is anyting to investigate, mainly because you appear to have done nothing save wonder vaguely whether dead people might be able interfere with a piece of technology. This is not our idea. We don't believe in it. There is very little to discuss because you haven't even tried to get any evidence.

Do something; generate some data. Then we might, conceivably, listen, if you have anything to show us. You don't. You still have a long way to go. Pull your finger out.


No-one here is going to do your work for you, certainly not now, after endless pages of contentless meandering verbiage.



You can tell Amenhotep IV, Kenakht Mery-aten, Strong Bull beloved of the Aten, is starting to get a little ticked off when he starts using his pronomen... :D


Time Bandits -6

Tim +6

Assumptions

Miss leading information

[Tim4848]

Did I miss something? Has Tim given us a coherent description of what his idea is, and exactly what modification the BrainGate needs to implement his idea?


If not; Tim, how can we try your idea, even if we wanted to?

And why should we want to, if there's not the slightest reason to believe that it could work?

Time bandits -7

Tim +7

[Tim4848]

Tim considers the modification of the BrainGate machine from detecting electrical impulses to detecting dead people to be a trivial matter. It's something for the engineers to work out.

He might think differently if he would, you know, read a book.


Time Bandits -8

Tim +8

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own.

I have read your rambling and you got nothing.

One of you had a good thought, but why go to that page of this concept, when you can't even get pass question one yet.

How can Time Bandits score points?

Can't be done!

How can others get points?


Do something to help this topic.

This topic is not for everybody, and if you feel this topic is not for you. Please fill free and leave this topic.

Don't be a Time bandit!

Would you like me to list the names of the Time Bandits that I have measured so far?

I would like to thank all the people who find the time to view this topic.

I would imagine every one of you have a reason for being here.

Maybe you like me adding up all the Time Bandits score.

Maybe you enjoy the Time Bandits acting the way they do, and you are in complete support of that.

Maybe you are undecided

Maybe you enjoy rambling.

Maybe you view this topic because it is going in the right direction.

Maybe you just accidentally came to this site, because you were looking for a different Department.

What ever the reason,

Thank you for finding the time anyway,

Tim

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own.

Are your inner thoughts invisible?

Do your inner thoughts take you out of pain and into pleasure more than it plays tricks on you?

When you sleep at night. Who runs your body, and makes sure you breath all night?

Would this breathing thing at night have anything to do with our DNA?

A DNA that defines who we are.

A DNA with a past, present and future.

A DNA that changes to the past, present, and future.

This topic idea concept is already happening all over this world, but they are all doing it wrong at this time.

Every one of them are close, but not close enough.

This idea concept is directed at the truth.

You might believe at this time that the truth will show that my idea concept won't work.

I have no problem if you don't believe it will work. Just support the option.

you don't have to work for the option.

Just support it for the truth.

If we try it and it don't work.

Then you and I will have the truth.

If it does work

Then you and I will have the truth.


If you really believe it is not possible, then you still should want this to happen so you can show the world that you were right.

You might even let me try all type of different ways, just so I won't have an excuse why it did not work.

Now if you still feel that it is a waste of time, then please fill free to leave this site and go do something else.

Don't waste your time here.

Tim +9
Time Bandits -8

[Tanstaafl]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own.

I have read your rambling and you got nothing.



This is true. But you should consider why we got nothing.

Either:

A) We all (probably dozens of us by now) have terrible reading comprehension, or very limited intellect,

--or--

B) You didn't actually say anything coherent.

[Akhenaten]

How does it go again?

Clunk . . . Splash!

Something like that.

[amb]

Pie in the sky anyone? It really is delicious regardless of how it looks.:D ;)

[Loss Leader]

Time Bandits -7

Tim +7


Don't be absurd. Time Bandits has a solid 6.9 on IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081633/).


Hey, Tim, post the email that you claim to have sent.

[Apathia]

How does it go again?

Clunk . . . Splash!

Something like that.

Yup! "Clunk, Splash!"
You get the plushy, Tim gets the dunk! :lol2:

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own.

I would once again like to take this time to thank all the viewers that takes the time to read this topic.

In the past I have waisted way too much time interacting with time bandits, and I am sorry for that.


Now that I have less time to interact because of my new job.

My new goal is to focus more on the viewers, and less time on Time Bandits.


A long time ago, on a different site. somebody told me that I was waisting my time going down to a Time Bandit level.

I agree.

Junk mail is junk mail.

Now if you feel this topic is junk mail, and you don't want to be a part of it. By all means go do something with your time.

My goal is to inform more through my thoughts about this topic.

That will be my junk mail.

If you don't like it, then don't view it.

My goal during this time is to paint different paradigm pictures.

What do I need from you?

View if you are interested, and leave if you are not.

Please feel free to continue to send me private Messages if you like.

I won't reply back to them unless you want me too, and you are not a Time Bandit.

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, and I am no different.

I know your time is important, and I know that I will talk a lot of trash before something comes of it, but it always does.

By informing you about my thoughts over this time on this topic.

We have touched on a lot of different things in this topic. and now it is time to go back and explore it even more.

One of my goals now under this topic is to imagine we have the power we need to make this happen.

Why limit our selfs by believing it won't work, or that some body is going to stop us.

We have the ability to visualize in detail how we can do it, and how we did it.

We have the ability to visualize how it can't be done as well, but why do that.

Why limit this positive opportunity.

Why stop?

I see no reason why we need to stop.

If you see a reason why we should stop, then show your support by not viewing the topic anymore.

I just want to make sure we are all on the same page before I start to post more thoughts about this topic.

All time bandits are free to Private Message me as well.

With all of that being said.

I hope you enjoy the show.

[Tim4848]

I am going to set up an easy shot on the 8-ball, and get a feel for what it is like to be all in position for this easy shot.

Just then,

Inner thoughts:

We want too communicate.

What does that mean?

Who wants to communicate?

Inner thoughts:

We do!


Who are you?

Inner thoughts:

Inner thoughts


This was when I started to notice a separation my inner thoughts and me.

I had no plan at that time to have anything to do with this topic.

I was analyzing 8-ball, not afterlife communication.

I felt like that skit bill Cosby use to do with Noah, and God.

I have spent my whole life up to that point always thinking that I was my own person. now I was not so sure anymore.

I have always felt that I had a purpose, but I just never knew what that purpose was before.

At that time when my inner thoughts informed me of what they wanted. I just took it at face value.

At no time during this time did I know anything about BrainGate or anything else related to this possibility.

I did not even think to recall my out of body experience at that time.

I was just taken by this thought that had come from my inner thoughts.

Even though I have not been a very religious person. I could not discount this as a possibility at that time.

Was this an angel of God wanting me to do something for them, and if that is the case.

What did they want with me?

What could I do?

At that point in my life. I did not believe it was possible either.

I admit I thought about what this inner thought was saying, but I sure did not believe that there was anything to it at the time. Just a strange inner thought wanting to communicate.

So after that situation, I did make it a point to think about it more from time to time, but not really that hard.

What I did notice at that time though, was how everything related to this topic was starting to fall into place.

At this time I decided to have a more open mind about this possibility.

I started reading books and recording different shows that I thought might help me with this topic.

I had no idea at that time how much stuff there was.

I was in a learning mode.

I am one of those people that skips through a book just getting the jest of what they are saying, and moving on to the next one.

At this time in my life I did not have access to a computer or the Internet for doing any analyzing. I knew very little about the Internet.

The only forum I knew at that time was a company forum at work.

I did not know at that time that so many others had out of body experiences as well, or that Thomas A. Edison believed it was possible.

Everything in life happens for a reason and I am no different.

For you to really understand what I am trying to say. You would just have to know me at that time.

I was always saying back then at work or in my personal life. That you either know or you don't know, and I made it a point not to assume.

Now you have to remember what was going on in my life at that time.

I was really into visualizing the game of 8-ball at that time, and I was getting good results from that.

I decided to start doing the same with this topic.

I decided to allow my inner thoughts the opportunity to explore this topic more as I listened.


I will be back!

[Loss Leader]

This was when I started to notice a separation my inner thoughts and me.


Tim, what you have just described is a symptom of a very serious illness. You may not realize it, but a doctor would be able to tell just from that statement that you have a grave medical condition. It can be treated and managed. You will feel better, even if you don't think you feel bad now. And you will be happier, healthier and better able to enjoy your family.

Call your doctor today and tell him exactly what you just wrote.

[Tim4848]

Tim, what you have just described is a symptom of a very serious illness. You may not realize it, but a doctor would be able to tell just from that statement that you have a grave medical condition. It can be treated and managed. You will feel better, even if you don't think you feel bad now. And you will be happier, healthier and better able to enjoy your family.

Call your doctor today and tell him exactly what you just wrote.

That might be the case if i was doing it on every site but I am not.

I feel good, like a big boy should, and thanks for caring.

[Loss Leader]

I feel good, like a big boy should, and thanks for caring.


The fact that you feel good doesn't mean you aren't sick. Many serious illnesses can fester for years without making the person feel sick even once. And yet, it is during this time that they are the most treatable.

It is the same with you. You have a serious illness and it is only going to get worse. But if you treat it now, you might be able to extend your life for years.

Please show your doctor your most recent posts in this thread. You will be glad you did.

[Hokulele]

Tim +3
Time Bandits -3


Yeah, I can really see someone who may be interested in this "topic" looking this up on the Internet and thinking, "Hey, this is really convincing." :rolleyes:

[Tim4848]

The fact that you feel good doesn't mean you aren't sick. Many serious illnesses can fester for years without making the person feel sick even once. And yet, it is during this time that they are the most treatable.

It is the same with you. You have a serious illness and it is only going to get worse. But if you treat it now, you might be able to extend your life for years.

Please show your doctor your most recent posts in this thread. You will be glad you did.

So what is my serious illness?

[Loss Leader]

So what is my serious illness?


I'm not a doctor, Tim. Find one and show him the post that I first flagged.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

Imagine your thoughts like mirrors, reflecting back to you like they are connected to different satellites through out space.

Each one having the ability to store all the information processed during the time you decided to think about that.


Example:

Back to school time for most kids this time of year.

Now your thoughts are thinking about that mirror, and that satellite in your thoughts is reporting this new advance way of looking at filing cabinets in your thoughts, and that old file cabinet is replaced.


Now they say on average that you have 40,000 thoughts a day, and each one of those thoughts have its own starting point mirror, and it remembers everything, just like yesterday you might of drop your tooth brush, and today it reminds you to be more careful.

Now you don't have to follow every one of these helpful thoughts, but they are there if you like.

Now your thoughts are very smart.

your inner thoughts is very good at seeing perceived pain, but you still come to this topic, because your internal thoughts knows there is so much positive here, that it goes so much deeper than you really care to know.

I am no doctor, but feel free to let all the doctors read all my post.

Let your Star Trek, and Star Wars friends know about this topic.

Maybe doctor McCoy could help.

Is the force with me?

Time will tell

What if one day you find that you don't have an option, and afterlife is just like reported out of body experiences.

What doctors will you have to communicate with at that time?

Maybe you like to think to your self all the time now, and you have no problem with it.

How about doing it for about a million years or more?

Maybe after a trillion years you will start to act like me.


A fellow Ohioan Thomas A. Edison believed we could communicate with afterlife.

He never said we should not try.

He said it was possible.

By him saying we could do it, he was also saying that there is afterlife as well.

Maybe Mr.Edison needed a doctor as well.

Now a doctor can only say somebody is dead, based on what he measures, but he can not tell you if there is afterlife or not.

You do understand that.

You are dead as a measurable human, but they can not tell you that your inner thoughts are dead.

they can not do that.

Science can not do that, and you can not either.

Do you understand that?

What part of that do you not understand.

Are you right that I am wrong?

Maybe in your imagination.

Please take some time and lay down and think about this.

Thomas A. Edison first invention was a ballot box, that the Government would not buy because it worked too good.

Who does that, and what made him decide to make that first of all other things?

Go figure.

I count on people to view my topic, and they do.

Go figure.


I believe with a little effort on your part, even more could get the chance.

My goal is to help build you new mirrors to think about. Ones they don't tell you about because they are not focused on those mirrors at this time.

What would I like your satellite thought mirror to always remember about this topic?

It's possible, just like Thomas A. Edison believed.


Now some here might claim that they are wiser than Mr. Edison, or try and point out mistakes that he made.

Was this a mistake that he made?


Everyday is a new reality, and there is nothing wrong to dream everyday, but the reality of my possibility is still out there, and regardless what you might think, or what you might think you know.

It still is!

So what do we have to do to make it happen?

Do it!

What if it don't work?

Do it again!

My satellite thoughts don't understand?

Fix it!

I'm not your mother.

I'm an internal thought talking to you.

If you have a hard time with that, then this is not for you.

Change channels, change topics, and keep your comfort zone mirrors as they are and move on.

for the rest of you.

If you are old enough to have thoughts like Thomas A. Edison, then please fill free to view this topic anytime you like.

What are we measuring?

Everything!

Tim you can just think about just anything like this. It is not healthy.

Poor, poor, pitiful me.

Tim, if you keep doing this, people might start believing it in some type of weird way just like you are.

Let them.

i believe that it is alright to have what ever thoughts you would like.

Call them religious thoughts if you like.

God told me to do it!

Does that make you feel better.

Like it or not, but this world we started in did not come with an instructional book.

Don't make the same mistake in your afterlife!

If we all are going to go there some day, you would think that we would want to know more about it.

I thought that ignorance is expensive?

If Thomas A. Edison is correct, then why would we limit our self's.

Quick review:

Thomas A. Edison believed that it was possible to communicate with perceived dead people.

He is claiming that they are not dead.

He is claiming that we could communicate with them.

600 million people now on average will have an unexpected out of body experience on average, and I already had mine.

Brain Gate is a machine that has the ability to communicate with thought.

This machine was not around when Thomas A. Edison was alive, or countless other stuff that we are into now, and this opportunity is still open to be tried anytime we would like.

Following the laws of science, and that every thought is like a friction that can be measured, then my idea is possible, because i had thoughts while having an out of body experience.

Are there people in different fields of science that is smarter than me, because they have experience in other things than me.

I would hope so!

Was there smarter people familiar with Star Wars than President Ronald Reagan when he decided we needed to go that direction?

Do i have to be the President of The United states of America before I am allowed to dream big?

I don't think so, and you should be able to dream just as big.

Do I believe in God?

Yes, if they were an afterlife.

Do you believe in evil?

Yes, if they were an afterlife?

Why are you so sure this is possible?


Because it is possible, and that is a constance in my book.

The Brewer playbook

What is the Brewer play book?

The overall truth from your internal thoughts.


If we knew that Thomas A. Edison ballot box was so good at that time, and we did not allow our Govern to buy it should tell you something.

If it was so good. why don't we use it now?

Sad, sad, sad, and to think the Brewer play book is free!

Play their games as much as you like through out your life, and you are happy with what you perceive they are telling you, then do that if you feel that will work for you, and just drop in here from time to time, as they try and find something on me, so they can play their Nancy Grace Time Bandit thing, and you will have nobody to blame but your self.

I know what to expect there. I have been there.

Do what they want you to do, and before long the hundred people who have more money than two billion people do will have even more.

I do want to thank some for posting under this topic so i don't have to go look for it, and i would also like to thank you for all the views this topic has received, and I hope you are getting what you are looking for through out your life.

Could this possibility be one of those things?

And to think it is free for the taking.

No expensive oil drilling equipment.

Just a second look at something that is so close to what we don't know that maybe you are crazy not to try it.

Am i crazy to offer it?

you don't know

Are you crazy to pass on it?

I don't know!

What do we really know?


?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????

Thank you for reading my internal thoughts with those of your own.

Attention: Educated Time Bandits

Every reply you make keeps my topic on the front page, and easier for me or anybody else to view it.

I want to thank you for that!

Tim

[Fasto]

How can you expect us to take you seriously if you refuse / are unable to answer questions!?

Even if there was an afterlife, according to your ikea concert - sorry - idea concept, someone would need to modify the braingate machine to do something that it currently can't do. How exactly would anybody know how to modify a machine to measure something that we currently don't know how to measure? This seems to be the most important point here, and you simply ignore it - the last 2 people who asked about it simply got labeled Time Bandits and you didn't answer their question.

[Tim4848]

How can you expect us to take you seriously if you refuse / are unable to answer questions!?

Even if there was an afterlife, according to your ikea concert - sorry - idea concept, someone would need to modify the braingate machine to do something that it currently can't do. How exactly would anybody know how to modify a machine to measure something that we currently don't know how to measure? This seems to be the most important point here, and you simply ignore it - the last 2 people who asked about it simply got labeled Time Bandits and you didn't answer their question.

They became time Bandits because they don't answer my questions.

They just want me to give and give as they do nothing but waste my time.

Afterlife is inner energy that can not be destroyed, just like science has no way to stop the 600 million from having out of body experiences at some point in their life time.

Science will be the first to tell you that energy can not be destroyed, made, but it can change form. now at no point do they say it breaks up and goes south for the winter.

Your inner thoughts are only as good as you allow it to be.

One of my goals is to help you be mentally ready if this idea of mine actually turns out to be right.

I just want to help your quality of life in this situation.

Now through out history we all have heard stories about how this ghost moved this or moved that.

Did they actually do that?

I don't know, but if they were capable of it, then interacting with my possibility should be easy.

What do we know now?

People, regardless if they are human or out of body, don't do anything unless you have a plan, and this is the best plan we have in this field right now.

It is amazing how so many strong will people on this Earth is able to continue to break records in things like the Olympics.

Why not give these same type of people the chance to try this idea concept as well?

What can you do it you put your mind to it?

I just feel on our end, that we should give them the best tools that we have and see if they can do it or not.

I have no problem supporting our Olympic players, and I have no problem supporting people like you as well.

Sometimes in life we just have to ignore our silly common sense and try some things that might not seam possible, and see what happens.

What would it hurt to try?

[wollery]

TScience will be the first to tell you that energy can not be destroyed, made, but it can change form. now at no point do they say it breaks up and goes south for the winter.Still haven't understood what energy is and what happens to the energy in the human body at death I see.

One of my goals is to help you be mentally ready if this idea of mine actually turns out to be right.I am already mentally ready if it turns out that there is an afterlife. Just as I'm mentally ready if aliens land in the middle of New York tomorrow, or Odin descends from Asgard on Sleipnir.

Now through out history we all have heard stories about how this ghost moved this or moved that.

Did they actually do that?

I don't know, but if they were capable of it, then interacting with my possibility should be easy.If they're capable of moving physical objects then they could type on a computer keyboard, no need for a BrainGate device.

People, regardless if they are human or out of body, don't do anything unless you have a plan, and this is the best plan we have in this field right now.It's the only plan in the field right now, which, by default, also makes it the worst plan in the field right now.

I just feel on our end, that we should give them the best tools that we have and see if they can do it or not.I agree. Why are you so fixated on using a device which, as has been explained in detail many times, is utterly inadequate for the task.

[amb]

So what is my serious illness?

Tim, I'm speaking from experience. I have a schizophrenic adult daughter.
Mental illness can only be perceived by another person. To you your thoughts and actions are perfectly normal, but are bizarre to another person who may have known you before the onset of mental illness.

[Tim4848]

Tim, I'm speaking from experience. I have a schizophrenic adult daughter.
Mental illness can only be perceived by another person. To you your thoughts and actions are perfectly normal, but are bizarre to another person who may have known you before the onset of mental illness.

Let me take a moment and lay down on your thread space.

This is very relaxing.

I do not hear voices. never have.

I review thoughts

I select what mind map thoughts I want to focus on.

Almost everything I talk about under this topic, goes with this topic.

I am usually warned by this site, if it does not.

My goal is not to be perfect about anything I talk about, because I am not here to be perfect.

I am here to inform you about this possibility, and then try and help you to take correct action toward it.

Example:
We decide we like it the odds of this possibility, and then we set a goal to make it happen.


I try and make my idea concept sound quite simple, but it is not. We do not have a long line of potential brick throwing afterlife just waiting to try this experiment.

We first have to forget that possibility, and just focus on the patients we do have control over. The Brain gate patients.

We have to set up a meeting plan when the opportunity presents it self.

Some of you might assume that all out of body experience people are hip to everything we do, or that they really want too.

Why would you feel that way?

Potential out of body afterlife would still have emotions.

What type of training do we give them now?

L zero!


We might tell them that we meet them on the other side at some point, but do you ever give them a time and a location?

I would welcome almost anything in this experiment room at the actual time of the experiment for me reasons.

It helps Murphy's Law

I believe with a concept like this. It don't hurt to try different things.

I would have no problem if we even took this experiment on the road from time to time, and try it in other places as well.

Example:

Connect one to a satellite in outer space.

I would like to try it in are upper atmosphere, maybe as a floating sign with a remote sensor connected to it.

This one could relay back any measurable friction, or work like a black box, and then we can retrieve it later, and see it there is anything we can measure.

Why do this?

It gives our trained Brain Gate patients more options, just in case they need them.

[Giggywig]

What's the satellite for? What are you hooking up to it? And who's paying for all this crap?

[leonAzul]

It gives our trained Brain Gate patients more options, just in case they need them.

This is the crucial part of your idea that you seem not to understand.

BrainGate clients are trained to interact with a machine while physically attached to it; they are not trained to interact with a machine without the physical attachment, never mind a satellite orbiting miles above ground level. No amount of out-of-body experience in itself can prepare them to interact with a machine without the physical connection.

[Loss Leader]

I do not hear voices. never have.



Tim, you may think that this answers the question of whether or not you have an illness. It does not. "Hearing voices" is not necessary for a diagnosis of schizophrenia.

The illness is much more complicated than that. And some of the things you have said mark you as a person who may have this disease - just like some blood tests may mark a person as having diabetes.

You have said:


This was when I started to notice a separation my inner thoughts and me.

I felt like that skit bill Cosby use to do with Noah, and God.

I have spent my whole life up to that point always thinking that I was my own person. now I was not so sure anymore.

At that time when my inner thoughts informed me of what they wanted. I just took it at face value.

I was just taken by this thought that had come from my inner thoughts.

Even though I have not been a very religious person. I could not discount this as a possibility at that time.

Was this an angel of God wanting me to do something for them, and if that is the case.

I admit I thought about what this inner thought was saying, but I sure did not believe that there was anything to it at the time. Just a strange inner thought wanting to communicate.

I decided to allow my inner thoughts the opportunity to explore this topic more as I listened.



You may not be hearing voices but you are listening to your inner thoughts.

You must show this to a doctor today. Your life really does depend on it.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Good luck with that one.

Did you ever hear that song on the radio where this girl has her child in the back seat of her car, and she is sliding on ice, and she throws her hands up in the air, and saids "Jesus take the wheel"

Now this is somebody with problems.

Here is some other people with problems, and it just might effect you!

http://global-elite.org:80/?p=130

Maybe it is a good thing that I am not a scientist.

I have entertained, your lets try and make Tim look like he is loosing it theory, because that has been the only replies I have given any attention too lately, but not anymore. I have never felt better!

If you do believe I have lost it, then don't waste your time here.

We are still at the point where you need to decide if you are going to try and answering my questions better. I will be more than glad to entertain that.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own.

Tim

[Loss Leader]

I have entertained, your lets try and make Tim look like he is loosing it theory, because that has been the only replies I have given any attention too lately, but not anymore. I have never felt better!


Tim - it is not a matter of how you feel. Many people with cancer feel fine through most of their disease. The same is true with many illnesses. The fact that you feel fine does not mean that you are fine.

See a doctor today.

If you really are well, he'll tell you so and you'll have lost nothing. If you're sick, you'll have gained a chance at getting help.

[Akhenaten]

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Hey Timmy! No Problem. I only read the coherent ones and I can easily afford those few seconds.


Good luck with that one.

Wut?


Did you ever hear that song on the radio where this girl has her child in the back seat of her car, and she is sliding on ice, and she throws her hands up in the air, and saids "Jesus take the wheel"

Strangely enough, no. Are you sure it wasn't a CD from your home planet that was playing?


Now this is somebody with problems.

Yes we know. This is someone advising you to get help.


Here is some other people with problems, and it just might effect you!

<link snipped without clicking - credibility issues> I think you're going to have this problem here quite a bit.


Maybe it is a good thing that I am not a scientist.

In the same way that it's a good thing that tomatoes aren't bicycles,


I have entertained, your lets try and make Tim look like he is loosing it theory, because that has been the only replies I have given any attention too lately, but not anymore. I have never felt better

You have indeed entertained, Timmy. Why do you think this thread is so long. People just love the whole clunk . . . splash thing.

I can see why not focusing on posts suggesting you might be a little bit special would make you feel better. That's going to free up a lot of time for you. Make sure those pesky time bandits don't steal it from you again.


If you do believe I have lost it, then don't waste your time here.

Believing that you've lost it is WHY some of us are here. We're trying to help you find it again. When was the last time you remember having it?


We are still at the point where you need to decide if you are going to try and answering my questions better. I will be more than glad to entertain that.

No. That point receded into the distance at about the same time that your thoughts became invisible. The entertainment rolls on though, and your gladness to continue is most encouraging.


Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own.

Incredibly, you've actually given me something to really think about. The fact is, in the course of following this thread I've somehow learned to subconsciously translate your posts into English. They still don't make any sense, but it's nevertheless an ability of which I was unaware until just now, and so may indeed be construed as an invisible thought, interacting with your invisible thoughts.

I will, of course, be seeking professional help.


Tim

Yeah, we know. The Wall o' Text® posts are a dead giveaway.


Cheers, and thanks for the fish,


Pharaoh

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own.

I would like to take this time to thank all the Time Bandits on this topic.
For their help to keep this topic on the front page of this section of this site.

I will be back!

:boxedin::jaw-dropp:boxedin:

[Tim4848]

I'm back!

I'm glad to see that I am still on the front page of this section of the site.

I don't like reruns, so it would only go that I don't like things repeated unless in rare situations of everything else said.

I enjoy slowing things down in my thoughts to the point that you feel you are totally still, even though we should all know that can not be done. Something is always moving in this energy world we are a part of.

Are you a part of your inner energy, or are you alone?

It all comes down to what you believe at any moment in your life.

Never under estimate the unexpected.

If it can be thought. It can be done in some way.

We have the ability to duplicate anything. This idea concept is no different.

I believe I can set the whole thing up, and I have no doubt if you really set your mind to doing it. You could do it as well.

You can do it all if you set your mind to it.

Just talk to the patients of Brain Gate and see if they would be interested in such a possibility.

After that it is all in the details.

What do you believe?

They say that all of us has the ability to say something that might be considered genius, but know body ever hears it, because you never written it down some where.

People have been brain washed about my possibility, because how they were raised.

They were thought to discriminate toward afterlife at a very young age.

They were all trained that it was over, when that was not the case.

Business turned it in to an off work three day pay leave, and then get back to work.

You need to be focused on what ever we are paying you, and you need to learn to deal with that.

they feel that they are paying for your thoughts, and they have no problem running adds to keep you in line one way or another. Filling your inner file cabinets with what they feel is best for you.

A state can decide what ever it wants, but where is your rights?

Do they own them?

Are you your own person?

Do you get bored?

Your thoughts are still developing all the way up to the point that your body don't.

In other words you are still learning everyday.

Now we know that you might have 40,000 thoughts a day, and how many of them do you really spend focusing on this possibility?


Let's say that you take a few of them everyday, and you see what you can add to this possibility as well.

Come on, you can do it.

Pretend for example you are having an out of body experience right now.

just pretend like your body is invisible right now, and anywhere you go right now, or until you go to sleep, will be you out of your body.

just pretend your body right now is nothing more than an image that must hang around for a while, but you are actually out of your body, and now you decide where you want to go, if any, and what you want to think about , while you are in this position.

If this might be too much for you, just go back to thinking about pink elephants, now if you get bored of that. think about doing this from time to time.

Regardless if you try this or not. It still could be good training for what you might be up against someday.

Introverts should have no problem doing this.

It all comes down to you, you know it is true.

Every person has the ability to be an introvert.

I would go as far as to say that we are all introverts by nature.

Some of us might not know it, but we are.

Six billion introverts.

Everyone having the ability to be happy or sad.

Everyone enjoying music, drama, arts, or anything else that we can enjoy or analyze.

Analyzing humans are easy once you get to the afterlife in your thoughts, and you see what you have left to work with.

Seeing, thinking and moving around at will as you can do right now in your imaginary out of body experience.

What do you do now?

What ever you want too, but you can't talk.

Imagine nobody can see your body anymore.

Now if you have the ability to adjust some mirrors, you might even be able to see your self as invisible in front of those mirrors.

Now how do you communicate back to humans?

You know you have the ability to move where ever you want, and you also know you have the ability to think about what ever you like.

What options do you have now?

Everybody might think you are dead, and they have given up on you as they have been trained.

You might as well just float by your relatives. what other options do you have?

Go off flying off into outer space, and then you get lost out in outer space, because you did not really study the solar system, and you were always trained to see them from one angle, like a flat picture in a book, so you get lost in outer space, and even though you might decide to move at the speed of light, because you are all upset now, and then when you get back to earth. Everybody is older, or everybody you knew, or watched from time to time is gone.

By going the speed of light in your thoughts, you lost that connection with people you loved.

Being an inner energy afterlife is the easy part. Not seeing others again because they are out of sight is the hard part, but it don't have to be that way anymore, because the sooner we play out this type of communication, the sooner we get to evolve this possibility to anything you would like, just as long as it don't hurt you, or anybody else.

Believe it or not, but it is alright to stretch and grow your thoughts anyway you like.

It all comes down to measuring frictional thought.

I will be back!

[Skeptic Guy]

It all comes down to what you believe at any moment in your life.[/quote

[QUOTE]
Never under estimate the unexpected.



If it can be thought. It can be done in some way.



You can do it all if you set your mind to it.


Do you write fortunes for the Chinese Fortune Cookie industry?

If not, you should.

[Tim4848]

[quote=Tim4848;3974501]
It all comes down to what you believe at any moment in your life.[/quote







Do you write fortunes for the Chinese Fortune Cookie industry?

If not, you should.

I thought all of these were golden oldies or something.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own.

I have an idea concept on how we can communicate with potential out of body afterlife missing people in a way that can be measured.

Please take this time to call me an ex-Woodstock religious freak on drugs, who thinks he is Einstein, or any other name you can think of.

I know that ignorance is expensive and I just might be the dumbest person on this planet, but what if I am not?


This topic idea concept is not for people who feel they know everything, but everybody else, like the 80% of Americans that believe that there is some type of afterlife.

Like it or not, but this free idea concept is on my own personal bucket list.

I have been missing once or twice in my life, and there was always some body willing to look for me.

I just believe we should return the favor.

There is no topic on the Internet like this one.

Everything new and positive added to this possibility, only makes this topic value stronger.

If you know links that support this possibility, please fill free to post it.

Now you would think, somebody in the past would of already done focused on this, and you would be right.

Good question, one person did.

One of the Worlds greatest inventors of all time, Thomas A. Edison believed it was possible, but he would not build anything if he did not feel he could sell it.

My idea concept is already built, and i figured out a way how we all could be a part of it for free!

Democrats, and Republicans don't give a rats ____ about this possibility, unless you let them know you do.

The Government did not want to buy Mr. Edison's first invention he patented.

It was a ballot box for voting, and they did not want to buy it, because it worked too good.

The President at that time. only made jokes about communicating with afterlife.

If we truly want to protect our borders. We can not afford to make fun of it anymore.

Mr. Edison was not joking when he made the claim that it was possible.

I believe we need to re-visit Mr. Edison ballot box, and his idea about communicating with the dead.

By Mr. Edison saying it was possible to communicate with them the dead, he was also saying that they are there.


If you believe you are in energy, and the only reason you have not had a real out of body experience, is because you have never put your self into a near death experience, so usually nothing ever happens to you, well that is fine, but that still don't mean it want happen to you after death.

you have to think of your body like a big old General motor car, and in the big picture of things.

Your true size, to your inner thoughts is smaller than that of a sperm that got you going to begin with, and once it leaves the body, as science has shown our body has that ability.

science saids that energy can not be made, but you know you think in energy.

Everything is made up of energy.

you start out as a blank disk, with some other bells ans whistles in your own personal seed, but after you develop and build your inner energy, then you measure your self toward the next law of science, and that is energy can not be destroyed.

the last law for science in this field.

Energy can change form.

An out of body experience is changing form.

It is not breaking up, because there is always an inside to everything.

Seams like there is always something that is new and improved, except for this possibility, until now.


I believe I know how we can try something new and improved if you help me inform more people about this possibility.

I believe both candidates running for office right now, should weigh in on this, just like the President did back then.

The only difference about back then and right now, is the President back then was already in office.

President Ronald Reagan, had his Star Wars toy when he was in office, and it helped to tear down a wall.

just imagine what this could do if it fell in the wrong hands, because we just wanted to talk about it, and never do a thing.

I believe everything in life happens for a reason.

What do you think?

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own,

Tim



In 2005 they came out with a machine that can communicate with your thoughts.

600 million people will have an out of body experience at some point in their life. I have already had mine, and I feel this machine gives us the best chance to cross over that bridge of positive opportunity.


Now imagine for a moment i am in heaven and they ask me if i ever did something with my idea concept bucket list.

I would like to get the opportunity to tell them, about all the things you did to help make it happen.

I believe everything in life happens for a reason.

What do you believe?,

Thank you for reading my inner invisible energy, with those of your own,

Tim

[wollery]

Well hey, if at first you don't succeed, just regurgitate the same tired old crap.

Bound to work. Isn't it?

[leonAzul]

Yup, an Arbogast Jitterbug (http://www.lurenet.com/search.aspx?find=jitterbug) does it every time. Only Gadabout Gaddis (http://www.gadaboutgaddis.com/gaddis/philos.htm) did it better ;)

[Apathia]

Now there's the LULz!

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

If you get a chance, check out this ling, and let me know what you think.

http://vivaever.gaia.com:80/blog/2008/9/physical_immortality_-_the_mass_possibility

[wollery]

Well, I'm reading it, but I fail to see what it has to do with your pet subject.

[wollery]

Okay, I'm on page 9, and the number of misconceptions and scientific errors is already getting almost beyond count.

"The Earth is flat" fell away when Columbus did not fall over the edge.Nope. Sir John Mandeville wrote about his travels, circumnavigating the globe in the 12th century, and a Greek mathematician, Eratosthanes, even calculated the Earth's circumference.

Medical science is largely based on Newtonian PhysicsUm, nope. It's based on materialism, which pre-dates Newton by a long way.

In Australia, the average age of death in the late 1800's was 40 - the average age of death now is around 80. We have seen a doubling of life expectancy over that time.Nope. She's confusing mean death age with life expectancy. They are two completely different measures. Life expectancy is calculated with infant mortality and violent deaths removed from the equation. The upshot is that life expectancy rates have changed little since biblical times, although they have increased a little in recent decades.

A doubling of life expectancy was achieved even though the populace believed "death was inevitable"!False dichotomy. Inevitable death has no bearing on life expectancy. We could have a life expectancy of 300 years, and death would still be inevitable.

A very conservative estimate of average life span 100 years from now, based on what we've seen in the last 100 years, is a further doubling to 160.Spurious maths. By reducing infant mortality we've just allowed the average age to increase to close to life expectancy. This is not a trend that will continue, unless true life expectancy is actually increased.

There have been two wonderful books written in the last few years......"The Last Mortal Generation" by Damien Broderick and "Immortality" by Ben Bova.Both of these guys are science fiction writers, and while they relate genuine scientific research, they aren't experts, and I'm sure it's done in a sensationalist way.

When you realise how miraculous your body already is, Physical Immortality will seem logical. For a body that creates miracles with every breath, nothing is impossible.Errrrm. No. Just, no.

Now let's start shifting your viewpoint from Newtonian - solid matter - physics towards Einsteinian - quantum, energy - physics.Einsteinian physics has absolutely nothing to do with quantum physics. In fact, Einstein's relativity theory cannot be reconciled with QM!

most experts say that we use less than 10% of our brain capacity, have you ever wondered what the other 90% is for?Complete cobblers. Read this page for more information - http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

Quoting Deepak Chopra -
"quantum physics tellsus that every atom is more than 99.9999% empty space, and the sub-atomic particles moving at lightening speed through this space are actually bundles of vibrating energy. These vibrations aren't random and meaningless, however, they carry information ... the essential stuff of the Universe, including your body, is non-stuff, but it isn't ordinary non-stuff, it's thinking non-stuff. I prefer to call it intelligent energy."Intelligent energy? No, sorry, energy is just energy, it isn't intelligent.

Martial arts adepts who can snap a slab of concrete as easily as a match stick - 99.9999% space.Snapping slabs of concrete is just technique and practice, nothing more. In fact, it relies purely on Newtonian mechanics.

Again, quoting Chopra -
"In India, the flow of intelligence is called prana (usually translated as life force), which can be increased and decreased at will, moved here and there, and manipulated to keep the physical body orderly and young".And just how many of the people who practice these techniques live to be more than 70 or 80 years old?

One such quirk is that the vibrating energy only becomes a particle when it is observed - the observer causes the energy to become solidNope. That's one particular interpretation of QM, and nobody who actually understands QM would suggest that it is physically what's happening, it's just a mathematical construct to make the calculations possible.

At the quantum level everything is possible!Not even close.

The next viewpoint that has helped me to feel the possibility of Physical Immortality is alternative medicine.This is going to be good.....

new ways of achieving and maintaining health are being developed all the time.Well, since not a single branch of alternative medicine has yet to show any efficacy beyond placebo, I'd say that that statement is just a wee tad over the top.

Many branches of alternative medicine are based on vibrational energy similar to Einsteinian quantum physics.No, no, no. Quantum mechanics is not Einsteinian. How many more times do I have to tell you! :rolleyes:

The chakra system from India, the acupuncture meridian system from China, colour therapy from the Egyptians and others, flower essences used by the native American and Australian aboriginal people are all examples of vibrational energy medicine. These therapies seem to be manipulating energy at a quantum level.And not one of them shows any efficacy beyond placebo.

Louise Hay in her book "You Can Heal Your Life" suggests that belief systems which are not life affirming; blocked and distorted emotional expression and lack of connection to spiritual essence cause the majority of illnesses.No, that would be bacteria, viruses, and environmental factors.

Her books which include life affirming statements have improved the health and lives of countless people around the world.Evidence?

Meh, I give up. That was just the blatantly obvious bits of complete cobblers. This is a pile of new agey feel good crap, with absolutely no basis in reality. :nope:

[Hokulele]

Both of these guys are science fiction writers, and while they relate genuine scientific research, they aren't experts, and I'm sure it's done in a sensationalist way.




The book by Ben Bova is actually pretty good, although it in no way supports the woo in Tim's link. He speculates more on how society, government, and finance would have to change to support extended life spans than on the technology aspect, with emphasis placed on zero population growth and allocation of resources. I would put this book more in a sociology category than a hard science category, although he does go over the current state of medicine and technology as a springboard for his social theories.

It is an interesting read.





I read this book almost 10 years ago (I think), so may be misremembering and focusing on the bits that were interesting to me at the time.

[druids brew]

hi tim... i am a tim as well... obe's i believe should be the end result of a specific and carefully trodden search...entertainment value aside....one needs to know its purpose and place in the scheme of things before one dives headlong into the unknown...there are some creepy things out there one needs to be aware of and consequently how to deal with them when one is encountered....there are some delicate souls out there

[amb]

hi tim... i am a tim as well... obe's i believe should be the end result of a specific and carefully trodden search...entertainment value aside....one needs to know its purpose and place in the scheme of things before one dives headlong into the unknown...there are some creepy things out there one needs to be aware of and consequently how to deal with them when one is encountered....there are some delicate souls out there

Scheme of things? Like what? Life is not some plan put in place by a supernatural power or such, but a random chain of events. It's the way this world works.
By the way, welcome to the forum. :)

[wollery]

The book by Ben Bova is actually pretty good, although it in no way supports the woo in Tim's link. He speculates more on how society, government, and finance would have to change to support extended life spans than on the technology aspect, with emphasis placed on zero population growth and allocation of resources. I would put this book more in a sociology category than a hard science category, although he does go over the current state of medicine and technology as a springboard for his social theories.

It is an interesting read.





I read this book almost 10 years ago (I think), so may be misremembering and focusing on the bits that were interesting to me at the time.

Hokulele my love, you may pick my nits any time you please. ;)

Plus, it's useful info. Thank you.

[Akhenaten]

hi tim... i am a tim as well... obe's i believe should be the end result of a specific and carefully trodden search...entertainment value aside....one needs to know its purpose and place in the scheme of things before one dives headlong into the unknown...there are some creepy things out there one needs to be aware of and consequently how to deal with them when one is encountered....there are some delicate souls out there

Welcome, other Tim.

Since you're a bit new, allow me to pass on a trick that I often use to spot woosters amongst the informed posters.

If a post consists of a single run-on sentence with no capitalisation; if phrases are poorly constucted and separated by variable-length elipses; if the only other punctuation mark is incorrectly used and if case, number, tense and verb/object relationships are completely random, then it's a good bet that the content will be woo.

Check a few threads and see if you can spot what I mean.


cheer's...dave

[druids brew]

hi ambnp...tks for the welcome...sorry bro but beg to differ...cant buy the random chain of events...we are all part of something call it what you will...personal examination and actual personal experience leads me to believe in a higher state of mind and a reason to pursue said higher state...hermetics 101

[druids brew]

thankyou dave,i will give it a shot as well as trying to keep my grammar and punctuation up to standard.....difficult in these days of messenger and mobile phones.....got this real bad habit though.... that would be it....dont judge me for it!

[Hokulele]

Hokulele my love, you may pick my nits any time you please. ;)


Nom nom nom...

Plus, it's useful info. Thank you.


My pleasure. Clouds, silver linings, etc. :)

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

Did I miss something.

Why do you want to stop this possibility, or slow it down.

Is it because I am right and you know it?

Is this our National security secret weapon now?

I doubt it


Are they so sure that somebody can not do this, regardless what country it is?

Who has decided this?

Is it your culture, or is this what you dream with your own faith?

Is this a place in your right thoughts that has been reserved for something totally different?

My idea concept is very easy to try, and it would be free as well.

John McCain did make history when he came to my town the other day, and it was a standing room only place, when he made history with his Vice President pick.

I did not get the opportunity to go see him, or anybody in politics during that time.

I had to work that day from 8:00 am to 11:30 pm.

Was this my miss opportunity?

http://psychcentral.com:80/lib/2008/grief-grandmas-way/

No, it was yours.

[wollery]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

Did I miss something.Clearly.

Why do you want to stop this possibility, or slow it down.I don't, I'm offering free criticism and advice.

Is it because I am right and you know it?No, it's because you haven't got a clue what you're talking about, and you keep offering up links to websites that are either full of complete cobblers, or completely unrelated to your idea, or both.

Is this our National security secret weapon now?No.

I doubt itOh, good.


Are they so sure that somebody can not do this, regardless what country it is?I have no idea if it can be done, but I'm pretty sure it can't be done the way you think it can.

Who has decided this?Decided what? That you don't know what you're talking about? Pretty much everyone who's ever read any of your posts.

Is it your culture, or is this what you dream with your own faith?No, it's your own words, which demonstrate clearly that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Is this a place in your right thoughts that has been reserved for something totally different?I have no idea what that sentence actually means.

My idea concept is very easy to try, and it would be free as well.And it would be a colossal waste of time and effort, since it won't work.

John McCain did make history when he came to my town the other day, and it was a standing room only place, when he made history with his Vice President pick.

I did not get the opportunity to go see him, or anybody in politics during that time.

I had to work that day from 8:00 am to 11:30 pm.

Was this my miss opportunity?I have no idea why you included this little snippet of information in your post, it's about as unrelated to your idea as it's possible to get.

http://psychcentral.com:80/lib/2008/grief-grandmas-way/Again, I have no idea what this is doing in this post. It's a very nice story, and my 100 year old grandmother would concur wholeheartedly. But it has nothing whatsoever to do with your idea.

No, it was yours.No, it wasn't.

[Loss Leader]

The upshot is that life expectancy rates have changed little since biblical times, although they have increased a little in recent decades.


I wouldn't go that far. The life expentancy of a fifteen year old in ancient Rome was 52. (source) (http://www.utexas.edu/depts/classics/documents/Life.html) For a fifteen year old in the US in 2003, it was 78. (source) (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_14.pdf).

That's a 50% increase; more than just a little.

Still, the author is wrong. And Tim is wrong for believing the author's work in any way supports him.

And, in doing my research, I found an article that says that mental illness drastically decreases life expectancy. Tim should ask his family for help today.

[amb]

hi ambnp...tks for the welcome...sorry bro but beg to differ...cant buy the random chain of events...we are all part of something call it what you will...personal examination and actual personal experience leads me to believe in a higher state of mind and a reason to pursue said higher state...hermetics 101
And I am your god and creator. Send me your money and I will show you a higher state of being. I am whom you worship.
I wrote the phrase; 'Seek and you shall find.' But please, first remove the blinkers you are wearing. :eye-poppi

[HypnoPsi]

OBEs are a fascinating subject. That said, all we have to think about them are mere anecdotes.


Trying to read this whole darn thread here, as I note it seems to get better towards the end, but would just like to point out that I wish you people would stop mangling the concepts of "anecdotes" and data!

The word anecdote literally just means "unpublished" (an- "not" + ekdotos "published").

There is not a single piece of data, much less scientifical evidence to support the phenomenon as real (in the sense of something like a "self" that is able to perceive and exist in a different place than a brain).


There is a huge abundance of qualitative data for OBEs, NDE's, Ghosts (and, quite frankly, even dragons and mermaids, no doubt).

The point is going through that data to find if there is anything that stands out, such as an NDE'er "overhearing" conversations miles away or meeting relatives they didn't know were dead, etc.,. Testing such things is tricky, of course, but who ever said that consciousness research would be easy?


Sorry.


So you should be! :)

[HypnoPsi]

Can ask if English is your first language? I'm not saying that to be rude, however your communication is proving difficult to understand.


I've not read the whole thread yet - but I don't think English is his first language myself.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'inside' electricity. Energy is a description of the capacity something has to do work. In other words, it's what makes things happen. It's not a 'thing' as such, but rather a measurement of change, if you like. Hence there is no 'inside' of electricty; electricty is the term given to the movement of a charge. It describes that change, of charges going from one place to another.


Here's a fascinating quote from Richard Feynman lifted from the wikipedia page on energy:

There is a fact, or if you wish, a law, governing natural phenomena that are known to date. There is no known exception to this law — it is exact so far we know. The law is called conservation of energy; it states that there is a certain quantity, which we call energy that does not change in manifold changes which nature undergoes. That is a most abstract idea, because it is a mathematical principle; it says that there is a numerical quantity, which does not change when something happens. It is not a description of a mechanism, or anything concrete; it is just a strange fact that we can calculate some number, and when we finish watching nature go through her tricks and calculate the number again, it is the same.

This is a big part of the reason why I am an amaterialist.

At this point I think you don't really understand the concept of energy, and are using what little you do know to speculate.


I know you're not addressing this to me, but I'm with you on this one - New Agers tend to mangle the concept of 'energy' in such weird ways it's frankly just the same word being used to describe totally different things.

Best,
HypnoPsi

[Gravy]

wollery and HypnoPsi, I don't know how productive it's going to be to comment on those 2007 posts.

I do wish people would let Tim alone with his delusions. As wollery said to Tim (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3831312&postcount=1124) in July (I clicked on a random page to see where the discussion was),

If I engage in reasoned debate, you respond with screeds of non-sequiturs.

If I make fun of you, you respond with screeds of non-sequiturs.

If I respond to other people in this thread, you respond with screeds of non-sequiturs.

So I simply boiled the message down to the essence of what everyone has been saying to you since you first posted here.

Your idea is silly, your reasoning is completely flawed, your evidence is anecdotal, your beliefs are completely without evidence, your understanding of the machine you suggest using is almost completely non-existent, your understanding of neurology is almost completely non-existent, your understanding of psychology is almost non-existent, your ability to communicate is woeful, you have done nothing to advance the proposed project by yourself (despite having been given the address, phone number and email of the braingate company), you've accused me of being a Chinese spy, nobody wants to be involved in your scheme in any way, shape or form, and you've been posting here for over a year, saying the same things over and over again.

If you had the faintest idea what you were talking about you might get at least some people here to take you seriously, but nobody does.

I agree, and I see no rational purpose in continuing to engage with Tim.

[Tim4848]

Sounds like John McCain is good for this topic,


No ear marks here,

Everything is free!

Please take the time to find out more this topic every chance you can.

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, and this topic is no different.

America does not hide from history, and there is nothing in history bigger than this positive possibility.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own,

Tim

[Tim4848]

Would you like to feel the structure of afterlife?

Take some magnets anywhere and place a positive with a positive, or a negative with a negative and feel some extra structure.

Just like your thoughts. a positive makes one thing happen, and one negative thought makes something else happen.

then we decide to give each thought a value.

Afterlife has always gotten a bad value, even though there has been very little good research in that field.

Imagine for a moment that every consistent thing on earth everyday does have value, and we have the ability one day to turn all value into a deck of cards. A clear plastic deck of cards.

Now on each and everyone of these cards, we have the ability to record something on it.

Regardless the plastic to coat it, it would be better off just coating space in general.

A little about me:

I have been working seven days a week, and I am in a lot of pain. All my joints hurt, and to listen to John McCain the other night, and feel just another value in what he had to go through, is what makes up our inner thoughts.

John came to this introvert way of thinking a different way, but he is there just the same.

To live in a world where you ignore ego, because you know it has no value there, because you will have limited options, if my idea concept is tried or not.

It will not be about you anymore, because you will not have a voice.

Try it some time.

80% don't care about your problems, and the other 20% are glad you have them.

Can we have a voice in that situation?

That is up to you!

If you want to help your Republicans. Get the word to John McCain that I would like to serve my country in this direction, and see if we can make it happen or not.

I have no interest groups

There is no ear marks

Check me out.

I don't even shoot moose.



I'm just like John McCain, and Sarah something. I only have the American public best interest at heart.

I would like the opportunity to be in their cabinet, and get the opportunity to try my concept idea. There is no ear marks with my possibility. It is free!

This should be the first thing he tries after becoming President.

This idea concept of mine is John's new secret weapon.

A weapon that has the potential to make every major problem go away.

The only reason it is considered a weapon, is if it got in the wrong hands.

Believe it or not, but we are not in Kansas anymore.

John would like to see less Government, and that just might allow me the opportunity to get to try it.


Everything in this world can be measured, and that includes us.

If afterlife is as I see it, then afterlife has been studding us for quite some time.

If life as we know it, is as I see it, then we will be able to communicate with them, because we are going to give them the chance to do it.

Example:

Imagine for a moment, that President John McCain gives me the opportunity to try my idea.

We will have the mind set that there is afterlife.

We will except volunteers who would like to acquire more information for this field.

This is the type of history that you should never be scared of.

We gather information now like we don't really believe it, but we do think there is something to it from time to time, just like something quick an unexpected, and then just blow that thought off, and in return, not giving it any value.

Like it or not, but everything has to have value.

The mineral of thought.

Some feel we should not drill, and their may be a reason for that, and we still decide to do it, because we have not come up with something better.

I offer that something better.

A new voice, one that will have to make it happen.

A trained afterlife ghost

Ghost Buster from the inside.

What happens to a ghost buster after they die?

In my theory they become a ghost, a afterlife, a spirit, an angel, a highway to......, heaven, nothing, utopia, sitting on a fluffy cloud, or hanging out by medium Lisa Williams, as if she is the ice cream truck.

Lisa Williams the ice cream truck.

Maybe you should just ignore my free idea concept, and just hope you have a family that cares enough to pay her to interact with you some day.

I hope she is still around, because I have never seen any medium that does it like she does, that is so constant to out I see it will play out.


Is that your back up plan?

It is not mine

If I hung around Lisa, and she does have this gift, then I would try and inform her about my positive possibility, and see if she could help with it, if I do leave before her.

Now if for some reason I don't, then I welcome potential out of body afterlife medium Lisa Williams the opportunity to try and interact with me, and i would be more than glad to try and get here word out for free as well.

Constant touchy feely through out the day, and through out our life is there everyday, but very few give it the time of day.

Being an introvert has it's advantages.

you have the ability to analyze at will on just one thing, and get more of your 40,000 thoughts on it everyday, and even though there is no proof of this action, other than how I am so confident it is possible, that I have no problem going public about it, as People like Thomas A. Edison has done.

I have no doubt that Mr. Edison believed that all his inventions were that of his own.

I have read very little about him, but I do get the feeling that he did have ego, and with ego, you actually start to believe that you run your own thoughts.

I use too myself.

Regardless how good my speech is on any given night. i still do all of this for the American People.

Am I perfect?

No

Can I offer something?

I feel I can


Will it be different?

yes


Could this be fun?

Yes

What will it hurt?

Nothing

A free option

Remember, if you want to help your Republican Party, let them know about this idea concept.

Let everybody have the opportunity to vote on it.

I have never been to Vietnam, but I have heard some very bad things about it, during a war.

Have no plans of ever going there.

Now if they said that they had a good time there, then i would probably check it out.

Don't sell this idea concept short based on negative thoughts.

We are either moving forward, or we are going back wards on just about everything, and there is no safe place in the middle.

Procrastination, and blind luck just don't work in my theory.

Everybody is in the same situation, and it might not have to be that way.

Too many things strange happen on this Earth every day, for it to be just luck of the draw.

What type of strange things?

Consistency of everything

Somebody today is going to have a consistent unexpected near death out of body experience.

Science saids that energy can not be destroyed.

In my theory.

You are energy!

And if I want to follow the law of science, then my idea concept must follow that law.

Now I totally understand that it is also consistent that there are probably science exhibits all over this country at one time or another, and my idea concept could be displayed there as well, because it is so simple.

If we are energy, and energy can not be made, then our inner energy would of needed to be made.

So I claim that your energy came over with a sperm, and that was the beginning of your transfer of energy.

Imagine if you will, how you work in this anti-matter field you would live in, if you are in this invisible space.

You have a core to your energy, and it has no problem surviving in inner space.

It puts those color balls at chunky cheese to shame, but your mass, an ability by association to your situation, that you have options, because you have the ability to still have sight, thought, and movement.

You still have emotions just like you do now, except it is now just an introvert situation with just you.

Sorry, you get no other options.

Think all you like, do what ever you want to do, but after that, you are on your own.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

Tim

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,


After three weeks, I finally get a day off!

Time to think about this positive possibility of mine.

Has any ghost sighting ever been real?

A lot of people believe that they are, and they have had countless books, and shows about them.

People like medium Liza Williams believe they are real, and nobody so far has been able to prove her wrong.

People claim that everything happens for a reason, so ghost stories must have their place there as well.

Do ghost happen for a reason, just like out of body experiences happen for a reason.

What would lead somebody like Inventor Thomas A. Edison, to come out and claim that we can communicate with afterlife?


I would think that he gave it a lot of thought, before he made a claim like that.


So many unanswered questions until now.

Science has already gave us the answer in it's law of energy, and that is energy can not be destroyed.

It can't, it just can't!

Regardless what you do, it can not be destroyed.

It is as much a constance to science, as it is a constance that there will be a near death experience today.

You can't stop it, it's going to happen, and the person it will effect, will have no way of stopping it.

Now with that being said, let's look at it this way.

I use to talk to employees about not bringing people into something that they have no reason to be a part of.

Example:

If an employee left the safe unlocked all day, and something came up missing, then they brought everybody at work into something, that they did not need to be.

Like it or not, but you have to look at everybody as though they might of done it.

The same goes for out of body afterlife.


If any one has ever made the claim that there are ghost, angels, evil spirits, God, or anything else in this field, then they have brought them to my topic.


The buck stops here!

Don't start the talk, if you are not willing to walk the walk.


As i said before, everything can be measured, and if i am going to be a reformer like John McCain, then at times we need to look at this topic from a whole new paradigm direction.

The buck stops here!

People love how we can do DNA testing on people that we thought committed a crime, and then we find out that there DNA did not match.

Where was the justice of that law?

How long did somebody have to stay in jail, until we made it right?


My idea concept is no different.

I was picked to this idea concept, and i will be the first to say I don't know why, but I was picked and we need to do it.

Are we doing it for me?

I hope not

Why would we want to do it?

It's the right thing to do!

Why is it right?

Because somebody brought you and me into this, and we have a free option to find out.

We owe it to everybody that is a live, and every person who ever will be a live.


Some might feel that I am wrong, and those type of people has always been brought into this type of stuff, as history will show as well.

There is always somebody who argues that something can't be done, just like there are people who say that they did not take the money out of the safe.

The fact still remains, and there is money missing, and it did not just walk away.

Now in the safe situation, it might only effect a few people who might have been in the room when the money came up missing, but in the afterlife of my topic. Everybody plays a role, and everybody has been brought into something that they might not wanted to be a part of, but the fact still remains.

My evidence is in the constance of everything.


Science last year said that our inner thoughts could be tricked in thinking it is having an out of body experience, but science did not come out at that time, and say that an out of body experience is not possible.

They left that door alone.

Example:

I have the ability to move your arm all over the place if you let me, and I could lead your inner thoughts to believe I am going to do one thing, when in fact I am going to do some thing different, just like the science field did, but what science and I don't have control over, is how are you going to use that arm of yours.

Science knows that energy can not be destroyed, made, and they know very little about how energy changes form in the afterlife world.

Is afterlife ground noise, or at least ground vibration?

What would it take for a ghost to be there to begin with?

It would have to be able to change form

It would have to have some type of inner energy

I have never heard of anybody ever having an out of body experience, and not claimed at least one thought during that time.

we must be connected to our thoughts, and if we are. We must be able to do that because we are in the middle of something.


Have you ever felt you were in the middle of something?

Some have brought us into this situation, by saying that we are suppose to serve God during this time, but that is only if he want you on his team

Some have brought into this top, by claiming it is a all or nothing thing.


Who has the right to decide that is our only option?

I would be the first to say that you should consider other option,

Now I could go to collage, and learn to say fancy words, and tell you I will try this or that, and probably get a grant.

I did not do it that way, because I did it this way.

If I did it that way, then I would be going out on a limb with my way.

Who am I?

Nobody really knows me from atom,

They say that I have the ability to make Friends easily.

I did the math. there is only so much room on my couch.

I like to stretch out. No room for friends in that situation.

Most of my life I have been a couch potato. Watching just about anything, until the day that they ran out of stuff. i don't like to watch re-runs, unless I did not get it the first time.


I don't like to be bored in thought.


Do you?


Would you like to be that way forever?


i guess when we came into this world. It qualified us all to be into something, that we did not have an option to be a part.

Like it or not, but you are already in my reality world, as I am yours.


Now some feel you must enjoy life, and I have nothing wrong with that, but I can't help but remember the ant and the grass hopper story, or just because somebody else is willing to walk off the side of the house, don't mean you have too!


You don't have to just do it there way. You can do mine as well.

What is there way?

What have they had you believing up to this point?

Now every time I have a good speech, something like Sarah Palin would do, they want to go back to my idea and attack some point in it.


Just talking about this possibility will never make it happen.


It's way over budget for FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

If you are a Republican, and you can see how this could help our country, and you get credit for it.

One of the first things I told my supervisors was this.

If I go to the owners and they like the idea. I will tell them that it was yours.

If they hear it and they don't like it. I will tell them that it was my idea.


Do we still have any Republicans out there, that can see how this just might help John McCain in some way.


This idea concept of mine is about as easy, as pressing the EASY button from Staples.

How easy is it, once I get permission to do it.

For one, you don't have to do anything after that point, unless you want too.

It would be that easy!

Now who would care beyond that point?

What would you care?

I do it, you go on with your life.

Could you go on with your life with out me?

Some feel I must show that I can walk on water before my idea would be considered.

It does not have to be that way.

You can make a difference

Make History!

Let John McCain know about this idea.

Tell people in Alaska, what ever you can do to get the word out, the sooner we can try this.

Some feel that nothing will happen, and there will be no extra energy to make this happen.

Up front, they might be right, and nothing does happen.

Nothing happens

Do we give up then?

The idea concept is still free?

How many times do we try?

Should we try it for you?

Would you like the chance to be connected to the Internet through out your afterlife?

Do you see a problem in that?

Sure if God wants you to go do something else. go do it.

That is your choice.

Please fill free to run through all your options in that situation.

Do you know why the Time Bandits here don't do well with my topic?

Because it is sound, as sound as anything else in this world we are living in right now, but they can't get past their ego's to place me in the right topic for this possibility.

If this possibility does happen. It will touch on every topic, in one way or another.


Now if I am hot air, as some might feel at this point I am. Then we could all agree that I can really blow up a balloon, but regardless how big I got that balloon in your invisible thoughts. i have always offered a way out of it, and I offer it as free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So to all of you time bandits, or future time bandits.

Let it go!!!

Let me go, and fly all around in the balloon, and give me a chance to make history, or fall flat on my balloon face.

Value time:

Creating value in this possibility

People start to understand what I am saying, and they start to understand it better.

Now let's take a moment and think about that.

What if we all heard that they was already having positive results with this technology some where else in the world.

What would you think?

good for them, that is just like what Tim has been mumbling about forever.

"Good for them, I wonder what new shows are coming on this year?"

Would you care?

I would still care!

Would you tell somebody then?

I could understand a good argument, if I was asking for something, but I am not.

I have no control over the fact that I will be a part of history, just like you will, regardless if you do anything now with it or not.

Sure the in thing right now, since it has never happened, is to make fun of it, or me, because we are easy targets.

I have never done it before, so where do I even have a leg to stand on.

The same reason so many people believe that McCain or Obama is going to make a difference.

I believe I bring a lot to my cause, because not only do I have to talk about the idea concept, but I also have to inform you about nothing.

I brought you one of the worlds greatest inventor, Thomas A. Edison, as a fact that he did claim that we could communicate with the dead.

He was not in Government, he was speaking of this as an inventor.

If you read what he said, and what he was saying, it would go like this.

He believed that there was a dead that was still there, and we had the ability to communicate with them in a way that could be measured.

He was not out in his right brain, saying this.

He was in his sound mind when he said this.

So let's say we were there when he said it.

Did everybody jump for joy, and say do it as soon as you can?

Have you ever heard them ever talk about it in the news?

That moment in the moment of truth of time, is very important.

We do have footage some where, telling how the President at the time, only made fun of the idea.

If Thomas A. Edison was here right now, and made that claim again.

Would we do it for him?

In a way, you would be doing that now.

Now what if We make it happen?

Would you jump up for joy then?

I would doubt it.

i would imagine it would be a lot like John McCain, when he was finally let loose from being a prisoner for so long.

You would need to be de-briefed, and brought up to speed.

How will it change?


At first we will start to talk like this:

I had no control coming into this world, but i do have control when I leave.

Later on, it might be like this.

i had no control coming into this world the first time, but I do now.

yes this field of science might just change cloning as you know it now.

Instead of you just cloning a body of your self, but you will have the ability to run it as well.

that might be something you might be interested in, when you are floating around interacting on the Internet.

Maybe if you get a job in the afterlife, and you start to save your money on pay pal, or something, then you can save for one of these clone bodies.

Life can be anything you want it to be

Don't sell your self short

This topic is news!

How can you tell if something is news or not?

If they don't report it!

Why are they not reporting this?

Because I am a nobody!

Sarah Palin was a nobody to me

I believe she is going to make a difference, and so am I.

Are you willing to give me a chance, or not?

You should decide, before some other country does it for you.

How many times do you have to watch those second hand citizens on the titanic, be locked from freedom.

This is your God given right.

You earn it!

If you can read this and you are a human, then you do have some say in my idea concept, and you do have the ability to help me inform more people, until we make this idea concept happen.

I just want to serve

Help me serve

I will try and do my best, if I get a chance to serve.

If Sarah and John feel I am not caring my weight, they can send me packing anytime they like.

I will not mess with any interns

I will not create Ear marks.

I will just do what you sent me there to do, and nothing more.


Just give me a open door policy with the patients of BrainGate, and if they decide they don't like me, I'll leave.

Now if on the other hand, they are up to this challenge, and want to give it the old BrainGate try, then we will go that direction down this highway.

I have no doubt, that somebody else could of gotten a lot further with this possibility than I, up to this point, but we are still up to this point.

Just like Sarah said the other day, about how some would rather we do nothing about the high prise of gas, than to drill.

I totally understand that there will always be some, who don't believe my idea has a wing of a prayer of ever working, and for the most part. i am past trying to change their minds, because I really don't know what their agenda is.

They might be telling me they don't like it, just because of their agenda.

Now if they had something to show that I am wrong would be one thing, but they do not.

They have nothing!

They say I should have something, but they don't want me to get to that point.

They want to cut me off at the pass.

I have talked about this idea concept for quite some time now, and there is just to many passes.

We can not afford to continue to pass on these types of opportunities.

What will it take?

You!

I believe we all can do this someday, but only if we start the first day!

Please find the time to tell anybody you know about this long thread I have, and let them decide if they would like to read it as well.

Thank you once again for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

Tim


P.S.

Sarah Palin does not have to be the only surprise out of Dayton Ohio this year.

Please tell a friend, another Republican, a media outlet, or anybody else that could make a difference.

McCain and Obama is raising money for their gig, and all i am asking for is an opportunity to inform more people about my idea concept, or get the chance to do it.

Sean Hannity said we needed a President with new ideas. That is what I am offering.

A idea that has never been prov en not to work as I would like to try it.

How Corny is this?

Just do it!

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

What do you think of this?


http://news3online.com/index.php?lastname=tim484848

[thoth108]

I agree, and I see no rational purpose in continuing to engage with Tim.

I'm not a skeptic, and I do believe in out-of-body experiences...

and I also think that everyone should stop engaging with Tim. This would be a better discussion without him.

[amb]

I'm not a skeptic, and I do believe in out-of-body experiences...

and I also think that everyone should stop engaging with Tim. This would be a better discussion without him.

What proof do you have for your belief in OOBEs?

[Tim4848]

Here is something to think about.


http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/008599.html

[Wheezebucket]

Have YOU thought about anything, Tim?

[RoboTimbo]

Exit lurk mode.

Is there anyone who can wade through an entire Tim post? I mean word for word? I just scroll them down to see how long they are. Kind of a game I play.

It's a little bit scary that I'm in a neighboring geographical state to Ohio.

Thank you for reading my visible words with your own.

Enter lurk mode.

[Tim4848]

Exit lurk mode.

Is there anyone who can wade through an entire Tim post? I mean word for word? I just scroll them down to see how long they are. Kind of a game I play.

It's a little bit scary that I'm in a neighboring geographical state to Ohio.

Thank you for reading my visible words with your own.

Enter lurk mode.

Check out what this person figured out. After thinking about life after death.

http://theunexplained.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=2170544%3ATopic%3A1009

I guess you can still come to the same conclusion I have, with out having to read all my threads.

[Tim4848]

Info time:

I heard on the Kim Commando radio show, that they have some new game coming out for kids. Where they play the games with their thoughts.

Does anybody else here know anything about this?

Thank you,

Tim

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

Besides the fact that Obama thinks I am stupid for supporting John McCain, or the fact that he has not address tis topic. Don't really means anything in the big picture.

What is important is you!

What is in it for you every second of every day.

Your value time is very important.

My goal is to get you more value time.

Maybe Vegas could run odds on this possibility

Maybe we could vote on a bill for this possibility

Maybe we can just wait until some other country does it first.

Maybe we should start thinking that way now.

Example:

Honey, somebody clean out our banking again.

Honey, it's like that other army knows exactly where all of our soldiers are.

Honey, it is like that other country knew exactly where all our planes and boats were.

Come look honey at the news. Are country is now being run by that other country, and I guess we better wait and see what they have to say next.

It seams as though they were a lot more organized than Tim was.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts with those of your own.

Tim

[Tim4848]

The Dr. Phil show sent me an email today, about wanting to be on their show.

They want to know more about my strange obsession, and how it is effecting my life.

This is what I sent them:

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

10 SPECIFIC examples of how my current situation is impacting my life:

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, and my thoughts are no different.
Every second that I am focus on my idea concept. I am ignoring my family.
I use to be the Vice President of a financial company, with an assistant and five supervisors working under me.
I gave it all up to focus on this Strange Obsession.
Lowering my family standard of living for this change has not been easy. I now drive to work in a $350.00 car, and I am glad I have it!
My sanity has been questioned many times on the internet about this Strange Obsession. My topic, "The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities".
You should have no problem finding 10 examples there.

What have you done to try and change the situation?

I have been trying to inform as many people as I can about my idea concept, until somebody can actually help me make it, or explain why it is not possible.

I believe I know how we can communicate with potential out of body afterlife people in a way that can be measured and done for free!

What kind of question do you have for Dr. Phil?

Should I keep focusing on this "Strange Obsession" or not?

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

Dr. Phil
-vs-
http://news3online.com/index.php?lastname=tim484848

How do you see Dr. Phil playing out this free idea concept idea of mine?

Do you think he will allow me the opportunity to talk about my free idea concept?

Will he support me, or remind me to relax more from time to time.

How do you see it playing out?

Will I get a chance to bring awareness to this positive possibility?

Could he get a lot of ratings for doing a show like this?

I believe he can. They said that over 80% of Americans believe that their is some type of afterlife, according to a past Barbra Walters show about afterlife possibilities. That is a lot of potential viewers.

They really need to tease this show before it airs, so they can get the kind of ratings Sarah Palin gets.

Maybe they should air it on Halloween.

I believe the more the American public hear about it, the better our chance of making it happen.

Now if I am wrong. they can decide that as well.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own,

Tim

[Darkhole]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7621608.stm
Doctors at 25 UK and US hospitals will study 1,500 survivors to see if people with no heartbeat or brain activity can have "out of body" experiences.

Related:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/19/health.mentalhealth
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I was surprised to hear on the news that Sam Parnia has been awarded a big grant to find out whether the human spirit leaves the body at death – whether consciousness can survive when the brain is no longer working. He, and colleagues around the world, will place an image on a platform suspended from the ceiling of hospital wards and resuscitation areas, so that the image cannot be seen from below but could be seen if – during a near-death experience – the patient's consciousness left his body.

[Tim4848]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7621608.stm


Related:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/19/health.mentalhealth
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Thank you for the information Darkhole,

My idea concept has nothing to do with the front end of this possibility, but the back end.

Why do I feel that is more important?

Regardless how much money they spend, or what they find. they will still need to try my free idea concept.

[Tim4848]

If you are new to this topic,

Welcome!

Everything about this topic is Free!

I have a free idea concept, on how we can communicate with potential out of body afterlife people, in a way that can be measured.

I also talk about:

The positive reasons why we should do it!

Whats in it for you!

Example:

If you were falling over a cliff.

Would you like more branches hanging out there for you to grab, or less?

Maybe you are moving too fast for any of them, or maybe you do have time to grab one, and hold on for a while.

Did any one see you fall off the cliff?

Maybe they were the one who put you over the cliff.

If you are hanging on a branch over this cliff, and you could reach your cell phone. You just might have some other good options.

I like the word option.

If used correctly, you can do so many positive things with it.

If done wrong, then you wind up with the financial problems our country is having right now. they don't even have enough time to figure out what their best options are.

I believe you should never run out of positive options.

Our founding fathers understood this.

They gave us a chance to try all type of different options

My idea concept is no different.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

[Tim4848]

How I would like to see this topic play out this year.

I get a chance to be on the Dr. Phil show, and he actually agrees with me in some important areas of my idea concept.

Hopefully one day we become great friends, because he allowed me a break, just like Oprah did for him.

I honestly believe that some of the viewers of this topic. would like to see it play out as well.

Is it wrong to make a well educated guess on Hope?


Some might say that I provide no extra limbs toward this possibility, because there is no possibility that it could ever happen. I question that they have tried every possibility correctly.

I have never heard through out history, of anybody that was really gun hole excited about this positive possibility happening, but Thomas A. Edison.

I am not here to insult your intelligence, but I do have to be in a position where i can walk away from all of this, and do it. but before i can do that. i have to make sure that anybody walking down the street has an opportunity to try this idea concept for free as well.

I have opened this door of opportunity, to each and every one of you.

Think about this for just a second, and try and do the math.

We make almost everything better now, than we did back in the days of Thomas A. Edison.

BrainGate became news in 2005

I believe that BrainGate has the ability to help with Thomas A. Edison claim, that we can communicate with the dead!

If you really want to clean up Washington, and take back this country, then you want this idea concept more now, than ever before.

If you want to make America strong again, then you need this idea concept of mine.

It is only as good, as the value you give it, and their is nothing wrong with giving this free afterlife potential communication option a try.

Its safe

There is no obligations

It could give you hope

It has the ability to give you new positive opportunities.

I have heard so much lately in the news about our founding fathers, and how wise they were.

Believe it or not, but you are, or you have the ability to be just as wise as them.

You have experiences that they have never had, and you have learned from them as well.

My goal is not to micro manage you.

Do what ever in life you want to do.

I'm just here offering an option to make our country and you better.

What is in it for me?

I win, if you win!

If you like my idea, and it works, then I win.

I will go to every site that I have ever posted, and I will post "I told you so!"

I will provide that Free as well.

So could be a down side if my idea works?

Our country did not do it first.

Sure,throw it in my face, that others in science are already getting funding and doing different stuff in this field, but even if you gave that some thought for a moment, you would see something else, that is hiding behind science as well.

Science will not claim that afterlife is not possible, no more than they will claim other things that happens in our right brain thoughts. They have made that quite clear.

Even when they do something in this field of science.

They alway add assumptions to it, as though the results were negative

Last year they tried and down play out of body possibilities, by showing how it can trick the brain.


But at the same time, they are allowing other people in science the opportunity to explore the next step of this possibility, and that is with potential people who might have a future out of body experience.

I don't know about you, but i am starting to see a pattern here.

Science acts like they don't believe it is possible, but they are actually spending and approving new money toward this research.

For some people who would like to make you feel that you are crazy to even think my possibility has a wing and a prayer. They sure seam to be spending yours and mine money, to find out more about it as well.

I believe they are only doing it because we talk so much about it, but there heart is not really into it.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

Tim

[Aardvark_DK]

Besides the fact that Obama thinks I am stupid for supporting John McCain
Dude, you shouldn't put up with that! This is clearly a story for the newspapers. Do you have a letter from Obama or how did he contact you? I hope you proceed with a case against that smarmy socialist. You can be sure that you have my support!

[Loss Leader]

http://news3online.com/index.php?lastname=tim484848



OMG!!! Tim finally said something usefull to me!!! Thanks, Tim. I emailed this to everybody I know.

[Tim4848]

OMG!!! Tim finally said something usefull to me!!! Thanks, Tim. I emailed this to everybody I know.

Glad I could help!

[Tim4848]

Dude, you shouldn't put up with that! This is clearly a story for the newspapers. Do you have a letter from Obama or how did he contact you? I hope you proceed with a case against that smarmy socialist. You can be sure that you have my support!

That would be a time bandit waste of time!

Is there anybody here that has less experience than Obama?

What has he ever done?

It is easy to call people stupid when you have not done anything your self.

He would make a great arm chair quarter back at this point in his career.

We have now established something that he might be able to do.

I have no doubt that he could make a list longer of what he could do, against any body record of what they have done, and then he can run home to his wife in his 2 million dollar house and brag all about it, until his cheeks hurt.


Everybody on earth has there own experiences, and that is what makes you unique.

My idea concept is no different.

Obama wants us to pay him a salary in the highest Government position in our country, because he has the funds to put down people with experience, because he don't care about them, and he believes he could do it better.

What has he ever done that was better?

He did get Oprah to show her true colors of hospitality toward Governor Sarah Plalin.

We all love Cinderella stories during March Madness, and I don't argue that Obama knows how to throw a basketball, but we are not hiring for basketball players.

We are looking for somebody that is going to make every one of us feel better.

He talks the talk, but so do people I hire to provide a service.

I once hired this one employee who must have read every book on what you need to say to get a job, but after she got the position and beat out all the other people applying for it. She did not last a week.

I have seen a lot of employees who looked real good the first week I hired them, but by the second week. You got to see what you really hired.

I use to tell all my supervisors, that i have no problem with them getting rid of any employee with end the first four weeks of hiring them, but after that, they are a part of our family.

If obama gets this position, and then a week later you actually don't like who you hired. It will be very hard to change that decision.

I never have a problem with people learning a new positions, and they can do that in the Vice President position.

He is more than welcomed to learn more about my topic and make a difference that way or something.

I do not believe that Obama is stupid, as I don't think anybody in the image of God is.

I do believe that he has listen so long to his speech writers, that he is starting to believe the hype.

I have no speech writers. I have to do everything with this topic myself.

I don't get excited about this topic because of my own hype.

I do get excited about the plan to make it happen quicker.

As a country, we have to pay back a lot of money because our Government dropped the ball.

Both candidate tonight talked about cuts in curtain fields of Government to help pay off this debt. Some people are saying that this debt is going to cripple our country for quite some time.

Not only is my idea concept free, but it will fix our country.

Who would like to talk about that, while Obama calls me stupid?

[Aardvark_DK]

Who would like to talk about that, while Obama calls me stupid?
So did he send you a personal mail or what? If you'll forward it to me, I'll make sure to send it to at least 100 people!

[Tim4848]

I believe this thread topic below needs a higher rating than my topic right now.

http://700wlwforum.com/showthread.php?t=820


Thank you for reading my thoughts,

I still have not heard anything else out about being on the Dr. Phil show.

Maybe I am not crazy enough for them.

Maybe they decided to read all my old stuff, and you know how long that could take.

Everything in life happens for a reason, and I just hope I am still around long enough to be a part of it.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

[Aardvark_DK]

So how did Obama contact you?

[Tim4848]

So how did Obama contact you?

I was watching him on TV, and he was talking something like this, not that i really gave it the time of day, as you seam to be creating a time bandit, but he talked about how John McCain must think we are stupid for some thing.

He also was on the View and brought up the word stupid again.

What type of person are you going to be as a role model, using tag words like those.

Nobody is stupid, and the last thing we would want from our future President is words like those.

Example:

Should managers in fast food, the next time they get complaint from a customer. should they just tell the customer the reason there was an error. I have this stupid employee working in the kitchen.

Why don't we all just start going around calling everybody stupid, if they don't do it the way we want.

Those words might get him votes, but not mine.

If he things the only way to be President is to attack his opponent, then why did he say he did not want to run that type of campaign.

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, and this topic is no different.

I still offer Obama or McCain my free idea concept.

I believe that both of them have the ability to help me out.

There is no ear mark

It could help their future Library Legacy

I do believe that Dr. Phil might need to get you up to speed with what my idea concept might have the ability to do.

Change the world as we know it.

Some People would rather I talk about any other stuff, than this topic, but they don't leave.

I like to call them time bandits

[Aardvark_DK]

I like to call them time bandits
To each his own. I like to call stupid people - stupid.

Anyway, carry on. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that this thread is fascinating.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.


How will Dr. Phil play out this topic?


Will he support it, or not?

What do you think?

Please fill free to explain why you feel he would not support it?

Do you feel that he will declare me crazy for even thinking of such a possibility?

This is open mike night.

Please fill free to pretend you are Dr. Phil, and explain how you see it.

Now you are more than welcome to explain why you see it one way, but don't forget to see how it will play out, if he agrees with it.

If Dr. Phil sees the value in this as I see it. how do you see it playing out then?

Like it or not, but their has been a lot of buzz going on about this topic right now.

Everything is starting to fall in place.

A country that is going through a hard time, as it figures out how to patch the problem.

We have the tools to do this thing, and I honestly believe it is easier to try, than trying to get any media outlet to talk about it.

If I do get Dr. Phil approval about this idea concept, then we have gotten passed the first step of the journey, plus we would also get the help of Dr. Phil to get this surge going correctly.

Some might have to learn to change their prejudges toward this positive possibility.


What do you think?


:boxedin::crowded::boxedin:

[Akhenaten]

I think that your posts remind me of something produced by an artificial intelligence programme, except that they only got the "artificial" part right.

[Tim4848]

I think that your posts remind me of something produced by an artificial intelligence programme, except that they only got the "artificial" part right.

My idea concept is politically correct.

Here is one that is not.

http://anacoana.blogster.com/-countdown-starts-in-quest-to-pierce-secrets-of-universe_080908174228

My idea concept is free!

Here is one that is not.

http://anacoana.blogster.com/-countdown-starts-in-quest-to-pierce-secrets-of-universe_080908174228

My idea concept is safe.

Here is one that is not.

http://anacoana.blogster.com/-countdown-starts-in-quest-to-pierce-secrets-of-universe_080908174228

You have a say in my idea concept

Here is one that you do not.

http://anacoana.blogster.com/-countdown-starts-in-quest-to-pierce-secrets-of-universe_080908174228

[amb]

Jeezus H Christ. Is this thread really still going?
This thread should be merged with the resurrection thread. :)

[roseglass]

I live in Asheville ...

You are required to be positive here ... all the time.

I think there is a law or something on the books about it.

Time you should move.

You'd be amongst friends and fellow thinkers in this town.

[Mark Alan Sauer]

The power of positive thinking.

[Baby-Girl]

Hello,
I dont really understand what your talking about, and i would (personally) not believe "out of body experiances" mainly due to the fact i am only 20, i dont know it all...
However, when i was giving birth to my little man, i had to have an epidural, all i remember is closing my eyes, and concentrating, and i saw myself stood next to this young girl sat on the edge of the bed with a needle being put into her back, then i was seeing a young baby being born with my Mum holding her, a girls first day at school, and this was all kinda like another vision infront off me (when i was standing next to the actual me) i saw so much, it seemed like it was going on forever...

The mind is an amazing thing, and after being in labour for two days, god knows how much drugs in my blood stream i do think that this played a big factor dont get me wrong, but when i opened my eyes, i was back im myself, it was weird!

Well thats my input in all this! ..... ill let you get back to your discussion ;-)

[Tim4848]

Hello,
I don't really understand what your talking about, and i would (personally) not believe "out of body experiences" mainly due to the fact i am only 20, i don't know it all...
However, when i was giving birth to my little man, i had to have an epidural, all i remember is closing my eyes, and concentrating, and i saw myself stood next to this young girl sat on the edge of the bed with a needle being put into her back, then i was seeing a young baby being born with my Mum holding her, a girls first day at school, and this was all kinda like another vision in front off me (when i was standing next to the actual me) i saw so much, it seemed like it was going on forever...

The mind is an amazing thing, and after being in labour for two days, god knows how much drugs in my blood stream i do think that this played a big factor dont get me wrong, but when i opened my eyes, i was back im myself, it was weird!

Well thats my input in all this! ..... ill let you get back to your discussion ;-)

Thank you Baby Girl for charing your invisible thoughts.

You are more than welcome to stay under this topic as long as you like.

Right before I came to this site tonight. I was going to ask people here, if they would like to go with me to the Dr. Phil show, if he will still have me.

Maybe he don't think I am crazy enough.

Anyway, what I was trying to say.

If I do get the chance to be on the Dr. Phil show, or the Dr. Feel good show. Would you like to be on the show as well. think about it. You have invested a lot of time in this topic. don't you want to be were the action is?

Would you like to go on the show in support of my idea concept, or would you like to set Dr. Phil out straight about me.

Could History be made during this show?

I like to think so!

One of the worlds greatest inventor, Thomas A. Edison believed it was possible a long time ago.

Clark Howard would tell you that this is a really good deal.

You have a vested interest in this out come, just like anybody else. why let some body else, get your free tickets!

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

if you are interested, with being on the Dr. Phil show with me, then check this out.

http://www.drphil.com/messageboard/topic/3327


tim484848:boxedin::crowded::boxedin:

[Tim4848]

Check this out

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/7891/


Seams to me. That they will still need to try my free idea concept as well, some time in the future.

My moment of truth with this topic is at the end of the life cycle follow through.

That will be the moment of truth for this experiment.


Would you like to see a normal movie about my idea concept?


The Dr. Phil show could do that.

It still makes the idea concept free to you.

Clark Howard would be so proud!

People get on the Internet all the time, and sure they see commercials here and there, but for the most part, every thing is free, at least once you are actually on.

My idea concept will be like that as well, because sponsors will help fund the actual experiment.

If you want it, they will do it.

Does everybody still have their afterlife pin number in their wallet or purse?

If you truly love that bag, and you saved a lot of money buying it, then you surely want to know more about your afterlife free pin number for communicating.

Is there anybody new here?

What do you think of all of this so far?

Afterlife don't have a lot of over head, but they do float over top.


Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, and my topic is no different.

Why has this topic still not been picked up by one media outlet yet?

Because it is true!


Why report the truth?

Why not report the truth, as I have laid it out over so many different threads?

Why be in denial, while other groups or countries mathematically get closer to this truth?

Why do I even waste my time?

Do you feel I am waisting my time?

tim484848

[amb]

Hello,
I dont really understand what your talking about, and i would (personally) not believe "out of body experiances" mainly due to the fact i am only 20, i dont know it all...
However, when i was giving birth to my little man, i had to have an epidural, all i remember is closing my eyes, and concentrating, and i saw myself stood next to this young girl sat on the edge of the bed with a needle being put into her back, then i was seeing a young baby being born with my Mum holding her, a girls first day at school, and this was all kinda like another vision infront off me (when i was standing next to the actual me) i saw so much, it seemed like it was going on forever...

The mind is an amazing thing, and after being in labour for two days, god knows how much drugs in my blood stream i do think that this played a big factor dont get me wrong, but when i opened my eyes, i was back im myself, it was weird!

Well thats my input in all this! ..... ill let you get back to your discussion ;-)

A word of advice. Take no notice of Tim. What you experienced is a natural response of you brain to the various drugs in your system.
Our brain uses chemicals to communicate between the neurons. Disturb the natural oder and we see visions, experience weird sensations and what not.
If you shut down the brain, you shut down the mind. There is nothing strange going on here. It's the way things are.

[Baby-Girl]

A word of advice. Take no notice of Tim. What you experienced is a natural response of you brain to the various drugs in your system.
Our brain uses chemicals to communicate between the neurons. Disturb the natural oder and we see visions, experience weird sensations and what not.
If you shut down the brain, you shut down the mind. There is nothing strange going on here. It's the way things are.

Hiya, thank you :)
I didnt think it was anymore, i just wanted to have my in put :D
I think labour is so stresfull anyway, lots go through your head i think it was a wierd mixture! I hope if i have another baby, it doesnt happen again mind you!
Although can i ask a question? If your brain/mind shuts down, i dont mean to be dim, but i thought it was your brain that had the visions if that makes sense? How was i having visions if everything was shutting down i think is the what i mean!?

[Tim4848]

Hiya, thank you :)
I didnt think it was anymore, i just wanted to have my in put :D
I think labour is so stresfull anyway, lots go through your head i think it was a wierd mixture! I hope if i have another baby, it doesnt happen again mind you!
Although can i ask a question? If your brain/mind shuts down, i dont mean to be dim, but i thought it was your brain that had the visions if that makes sense? How was i having visions if everything was shutting down i think is the what i mean!?

Your inner thoughts are connected to energy, and energy can not be destroyed.

[Miss_Kitt]

At Baby-Girl: First, thank you for reaching out and sharing your experience.

Second, welcome to the JREF forum! In no time at all, you'll be asking yourself how you got through the week without bathing in the stimulating waters of intellectual debate; and also, how much more could you get done in your life if you spent less time online (these thoughts often in the same hour).

Third, you don't have your OOBE (out of body experience) when you "think" you do. Just as dreams can have very compressed or expanded apparent time, so can unconscious hallucinations.

The labor process itself is an exercise in normal time perception being lost. I had no drugs whatsoever in my delivery (and I'd have sold my soul for some halfway through transition, but they couldn't give me any) and I still had some "anomalous perception." At one point, my husband had to translate for me, because I could not understand anyone but him--it was as if everyone else was suddenly speaking Swahili. Also, when I remember my delivery, I recall discreet moments, but I can't remember the order they occurred in, or what came in-between. All of this is fairly normal for delivery, because you are swimming with various hormones, neurotransmitters and endorphins. Not to mention the usual weirdness from pain, hope, anxiety, sleep-deprivation, and being completely helpless with regard to what your own body is doing.

I've never had an OOBE--despite having passed out many times, and having migraines, which I think might give one higher odds--and I'm a little bit jealous of people who have. What a fascinating experience it must be; and for many people, it is positive and life-changing.

Having said all of that, I will hasten to add that I am convinced by the results of all the research that has been done that our consciousness is firmly rooted in our brain activity, and when that shuts down, we're gone.

I don't see that as a negative thing, though. To paraphrase my favorite fictional physician, "I prefer to think that this life is not a rehearsal."

[Tim4848]

"Having said all of that, I will hasten to add that I am convinced by the results of all the research that has been done that our consciousness is firmly rooted in our brain activity, and when that shuts down, we're gone."

The research is still being done.

Would you like for me to give you that link?

Dear viewers,

Here is another case of time bandits trying harder to try and control people thoughts.

Baby Girl is new to all this, and the last thing she needs is Time Bandits trying to decide what she should believe with no facts.

I offer Baby Girl the option to decide what ever she wants to decide.

My free idea concept is an option.

There is no matrix to this topic, until the exact time we try my experiment.

Unless you have solid proof that it is not possible.

Do you have that proof?

If not, you are nothing more than today's reality Time Bandits?

I would imagine people like Baby Girl. Would like the chance to find what they believe is the truth, not something trying to be shoved down there throat.

Thomas A. Edison believed it was possible, not just tim484848.

Why do Time Bandits continue to attack me, as though I came up with the idea.

That happened a long time before me?

Do you have any proof that Thomas A. Edison was crazy?

Baby Girl brought a baby into this world.

Here are two current generations, that don't know anything right about this topic.

They have not yet been given the opportunity to see the Positive side of this topic.

Why?

Time Bandits!


There is no better time to try my new idea, than right now!

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848


P.S.

Dear Baby Girl, and anybody else that would like to know more about this positive topic.

Just Yahoo or goggle tim484848

[wollery]

I think you mean google.

I did, quite recently, and what I found was you posting on lots of different boards, and on almost all you just end up spouting the same stuff, with nobody responding.

That includes the Dr. Phil board, which suggests that, despite your claim, you aren't going to appear on his show.

The rest are filled with people telling you why you're wrong.

[Baby-Girl]

Ok hi!

I was only saying my experiance, i wasnt saying i had an "OBE" at all!
Like i said i have no clue what it was! It was probably the mix of drugs and no sleep for two days, everyone's labour is different, and my experiance, felt like it wasnt actually me going through it, and i was watching myself. The mind is amazing thing, and im sure there are many reasons as to why i felt like i did, everyone will have their own views. If anything i said i didnt believe in "OBE" at all....

[amb]

Even though your brain supposedly ''shut down'' There was just a little, probably to little to register on a brain scan, still active.
This is what causes OOBE's. Simply, the brain shutting down.
We have evolved to a point where the brain has made our death as a pleasant experience. That's why people who have been very close to death have these visions of tunnels, a light, dead relatives in some cases. ect, ect.
It's a natural phenomenon. No supernatural is involved. The supernatural is wishful thinking, nothing else.

[Tim4848]

I think you mean google.

I did, quite recently, and what I found was you posting on lots of different boards, and on almost all you just end up spouting the same stuff, with nobody responding.

That includes the Dr. Phil board, which suggests that, despite your claim, you aren't going to appear on his show.

The rest are filled with people telling you why you're wrong.

I welcome people explaining to me why I am wrong, with a good answer.

I welcome people explaining to me why Thomas A. Edison was wrong as well with a good answer.

Please fill free to explore all my post, and show me some of these good answers they had.

Please fill free to show me documentation that Edison was insane when he made the claim that I do.

Believe it or not, but I don't respond to every thread I read either.

Why respond, if the information you are reading might be correct?

Please fill free to post any link that shows that science don;t believe this option is possible?

You might also want to let the science world know this as well, because if you are right, as you feel you might be, then why are we waisting additional funding in this field of science, toward learning more about this field of science?

If we already know everything that there is to know about this possibility, then why waist the money?

Should we quit talking about this positive possibility because my grammar, and spelling is bad?

Should we quit talking about this positive possibility because undecided Americans are viewing my topic?

I'm sorry if this topic is not entertaining enough for you.

I'm sorry if other people just want to view this topic.

Would you like to explain in your own words why they don't leave messages?

Did you ever think that they might agree with me, but they don't want to post it public-ally, and then have to put up with negative Time Bandit remarks?

To save time:

If you have facts why it is not possible to communicate with afterlife, please fill free to post it in your next thread.


If you have facts why it is not possible to be an out of body afterlife after death, please fill free to post that as well.


If you have facts why Thomas A. Edison was wrong in this field. Please fill free to post that too!


Please take all the time bandit time you like.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

Please fill free to explain why that is not possible as well.

tim484848

:boxedin::):boxedin:

[Tim4848]

Even though your brain supposedly ''shut down'' There was just a little, probably to little to register on a brain scan, still active.
This is what causes OOBE's. Simply, the brain shutting down.
We have evolved to a point where the brain has made our death as a pleasant experience. That's why people who have been very close to death have these visions of tunnels, a light, dead relatives in some cases. ect, ect.
It's a natural phenomenon. No supernatural is involved. The supernatural is wishful thinking, nothing else.

"There was just a little, probably to little to register on a brain scan, still active."

Probably don't get it!

Either you know or you don't know!

Probably and assumptions don't get it!

This idea concept could be played out on ESPN if you would like.

You see the game playing out one way, and I see it playing out another, and then the experiment will give us a clear winner.

[Tim4848]

"We have evolved to a point where the brain has made our death as a pleasant experience. That's why people who have been very close to death have these visions of tunnels, a light, dead relatives in some cases. etc, etc"

etc, etc don't mean anything if you are wrong.

I guess my etc, of waking up by a ceiling light, was just a low budget etc.

Just for kicks, lets throw some other etc. out there.

When I went back into my body after my out of body experience. It was dark!

now i woke up out of my body, so I did not have to experience leaving my body, but i would imagine if i did. i would probably see a light on the way out, and depending on what i could comprehend, might determine what I would experience.

How much experience do people have when this really happens?

Does are internal thoughts have a back up plan for people who can not comprehend this experience?

Some claim there life flashes in front of them when they die.

Why not. that would be a normal experience for that type of mind map thinking.

Any filing cabinet system they have stored away for such a moment would come to the surface. now that is normal.

Example:

What do you envision when you recall 911?

Gray buildings, planes blowing up, buildings falling down, and so on.

Thought associations are normal

Example:

If you think you are dead. Your thoughts will recall everybody that you ever knew that had died.

Was these the etc., you did not include?

In closing:

Why do ghost throw books?

Maybe they are fed up with the fact that we are not doing the right type of research in this field.

What do you do when somebody ignores you?

I have never seen a ghost, don't ever expect to see one, and I never expect one to ever throw a book at me for not trying.

Priest might go to houses and pray for their perceived ghost to leave, but that don't make it right.

Thanks to people like Thomas A. Edison and me. there is a better way.

Believe it or not, but there is nothing wrong with looking at this topic from other directions than the false beliefs you were raised with.

Either you know or you don't know, everything else is probably or assumption.

Do I have all the answers about this topic?

No, and I don't claim too.

If you have facts that I am wrong about all of this. Please fill free to post it.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

[amb]

I will repeat what I have posted before. Mind comes from the brain. Destroy the brain, you destroy the mind. The is nothing more surer.
All experiments with a live brain have had a NDE. On patients under a local anesthesia undergoing brain surgery, when a certain part of the brain was manipulated, all underwent a NDE.
Further proof is in brain damaged patients. The part of the brain that's damaged, affects the part of the body it controls.
In time perhaps other parts of the brain take over the duties of the damaged part to a certain extent. What's so hard to understand the laws of nature. Why must the supernatural be an explanation without proof?

[Tim4848]

I will repeat what I have posted before. Mind comes from the brain. Destroy the brain, you destroy the mind. The is nothing more surer.
All experiments with a live brain have had a NDE. On patients under a local anesthesia undergoing brain surgery, when a certain part of the brain was manipulated, all underwent a NDE.
Further proof is in brain damaged patients. The part of the brain that's damaged, affects the part of the body it controls.
In time perhaps other parts of the brain take over the duties of the damaged part to a certain extent. What's so hard to understand the laws of nature. Why must the supernatural be an explanation without proof?

You can repeat it until the cows come home, but your are still not right!

Don't measure the body. measure the energy that made the body.

Science can measure the natural results of nature, but they are a long way from understanding nature.

If you are so right as you might feel, then why would science be spending additional funds to explore it even more?

Other parts of the brain take over. It starts from the inside out, and energy can not be destroyed.

If any part of the brain is fixed during bruising of any event.

It probably got it direction from your inner thoughts, not what we see from the outside in.


"when a certain part of the brain was manipulated, all underwent a NDE"

We can trick women into thinking that they are pregnant as much as you would like as well, but that still don't mean there body don't know how to have babies.

What came first?

The chicken with an out of body experience, or the chicken who thought he knew everything?

I offer a scientific free experiment that can answer all of our questions.

Am I lying about this claim?

Do I have a free scientific experiment?

Why don't we just save some time and try my experiment?

what are you afraid of?

Are you afraid it might work?

Why do I feel so strong about this idea concept?

Because it comes to me from the inside out.

There is an inside to everything, and energy is no different.

We operate in energy

We take up inner space in energy for our inner energy size and mass.

We dominate our space regardless if we have a human body or not.

We dominate our inner energy space, like everything else dominates it's inner energy space.

What am I doing in a nut shell?

Listening to my inner Verision communication team, and allowing you the opportunity as well.

Thank you for reading my inner thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

[amb]

I have the perfect experiment for you to try.
If you are so sure of the results, you have nothing to worry about.
Commit hari kari, then come back as the mind and presto, you'll be living proof of what you say is fact not some fanciful idea with not so much as a shred of evidence.

[Loss Leader]

Your inner thoughts are connected to energy, and energy can not be destroyed.


Tim -

Thank you for reading the invisible thoughts that start within me which I am listen to without the help of time bandits.

You have made a statement about energy. I invite you to take my free challenge which will cost you nothing and which will waste none of your time.

Go to the library and get a book textbook about energy, the kind of book that would be used in a high school class or a first-year college survey course.

Read the book for free.

During that time, you can still post here and on all the other boards you like. You can still discuss your free future out of body idea as much as you want.

Then, just finish reading the book and return it to the library.

You never even have to tell me whether you did it or not. My free inner thoughts will not be affected.

Thank you for filling free inner body thoughts.

[Tim4848]

I have the perfect experiment for you to try.
If you are so sure of the results, you have nothing to worry about.
Commit hari kari, then come back as the mind and presto, you'll be living proof of what you say is fact not some fanciful idea with not so much as a shred of evidence.

Thank you amp for what you feel is the perfect experiment, but I'm just going to stay focused on my original one for now.

tim484848

[Tim4848]

Tim -

Thank you for reading the invisible thoughts that start within me which I am listen to without the help of time bandits.

You have made a statement about energy. I invite you to take my free challenge which will cost you nothing and which will waste none of your time.

Go to the library and get a book textbook about energy, the kind of book that would be used in a high school class or a first-year college survey course.

Read the book for free.

During that time, you can still post here and on all the other boards you like. You can still discuss your free future out of body idea as much as you want.

Then, just finish reading the book and return it to the library.

You never even have to tell me whether you did it or not. My free inner thoughts will not be affected.

Thank you for filling free inner body thoughts.

"challenge which will cost you nothing and which will waste none of your time.

Go to the library"


Travel expense

Time bandit expense, trying to find what you feel I need to know.

Yes, I do make many statements, just like Obama does for example.

I do not read off of a computer promoter.

Most of my information comes from the inside out. the only exception to that, is when i personally get in the way.

Like it or not, but a lot of people have been trained this way or that way through out life.

a perfect example of that is our English language.

Some people take great pride in that we use it correctly.

They do not appreciate people like me.


Science will tell you to question everything, and try and see it from as many perspectives as you can.


Example:

The word dead.

What does it mean to you. not what the books tell you it should mean.

They make that word to mean that it is over, you are gone, and out of here forever. They might say that your goose is cooked.

Some might say that John McCain chances of winning this next election is dead.

I say if that is the case, then he should promote my free idea!

What would it hurt to communicate with the dead?

Are you scared of your self or what?

We are quite capable of measuring this on different forums through out the Internet, not to mention the attention they will receive.

There is no pork spending on this bill.

A plain and simple concept. that allows us to interact with the wheel of life.

I am not asking us to re-invent the wheel, or anything like it.

We just cross train the Braingate patients, and let it all follow through as natural as life it self.

This is no thinking thing, this is a real deal.

People are crying for good leadership, and somebody with fresh new ideas.

I am that person.

I have fresh new ideas coming out of my internal thoughts everyday.

They say that i will have about 40,000 new thoughts every day.


Sure I could focus them on Baseball, basketball, football, racing, golf, table tennis, swimming, garage sale, and thoughts that I do not need at this time.

I have made an effort to just focus on this topic.

Why?

Because we do not know.


Sure you could left click and keep up to speed with what the real propaganda definition is, please fill free to do that right now if you like.

Try the word energy if you like.

If there is something you feel I need to know about inner thoughts, and energy, please fill free to bring that research to this topic.

You know what you are trying to tell me. Please either explain it better, or bring the information here.

We are not going to move this topic to the library. If you have a point you are trying to make, then please fill free to bring it to this topic.

The last time I checked about energy, and what science knows about it.

They do not know what is inside energy.

They can talk about carbons, until you are old and cold, but they do not know if afterlife exist inside energy.

I believe once they consider it over party lines, they will begin to see the connection.

Example:

I respect science, and I break no law of science.

Everything to do with my topic falls in line with science.

Everything to do with my free idea concept can be measured, and it falls in line with everything to do with math.

Please fill free to list any science, or math laws I am breaking.

What I am doing is breaking away from what you have been lead to believe.

Example:

This is what I would do if I was your next President.

Even with out my idea concept, I could help fix up Washington.

Here are a few things i would do.

I would declare President day, as a day where you get to imagine you are the president. Put your thoughts behind the will.

The Government today is disconnected with us.

Example:

Once I become president. I will make a form on the Internet where you can fill out, and if for any reason you are having a problem with anything you believe the Government can fix, then you will be more than welcomed to send it to my administration.

Now that our Government has messed up our economy. We will be laying off a lot of Government officials.

Part of their unemployment package is to work off in public service the debt that they have made.

They will go out door to door and help the private sector create business.

Even the Government officials that still do have jobs, will have to do the private sector community involvement.

I will work to make it law, that they will have to continue to do this through every administration, until the debt is paid back to us.

Everything can be measured.

Obama speaks about what is fair

McCain talks about how that is simple and he can fix it.

I believe i offer the best way to fix our economy with out my free idea concept.

now this is where it gets good.

It would now be in the Government employees best interest for my free idea concept to work.

for one, it does not add to the debt of broken promises, and greed that they have done in the past, because it is free, but it also has the ability to turn our economy around even quicker.

For one we will talk about it public-ally

the more we talk about it, the more our economy will improve.

People are focused on something again.

Government officials are doing everything they can to make it happen, just like they did everything they could to pass this buy out package to a bridge to nowhere.

This idea topic now will mean something to an Government official. an opportunity to pay back the tax payer.


The Government we have right now, dropped the ball with our hope and dreams P & L.

Any government official getting any type of life benefits from the Government will be required to do tax payer, or private sector community involvement.

If they want to continue to receive an income from the Government, then they need to be a part of this solution as well.

Talk is cheap, but a good focused action plan gets results.

My goal is to work for you.

Thank you for reading my invisible inner thoughts, with those of yours.

Imagine for a moment that your thoughts are like the top of a pond, and every time you have a thought, it is like a small stone falling into the pond.

Can you see the ripples on top of the pond?

When you visit this topic. you get a chance to experience my frictional ripples.

My gaol one day is for you to get the chance to experience afterlife frictional ripples as well.

I believe when Thomas A. Edison thought out this possibility.
He was looking at it, like I am now.

You can relate that way of thinking to things that he had invented, or other fields of science that he would of known about at that time.

BrainGate now goes into the skull and measures friction of thought.

They are coming from the outside in.

As a patient. you are limited with what they are doing, because they are following their plan to what they believe is the best place to place the sensor.

Because of their experience in the human brain, and what they can and can not do. they make a decision where the sensor should go.


now some would like to use every fancy science terminology now, and say this happens and that happens, but here is what actually happens.

The outside has decided what they want to do, and the inside out have no options.


Obama talks about what is fair for the middle class.

My free idea concept is fair for the middle class!

My free idea concept is fair for the poor

My free idea concept is fair for the wealthy

My free idea concept is fair for the world

My free idea concept is fair for potential out of body Murphy Law afterlife people, and all there baggage.

No more of this assuming that they just go to the light, and lets call it a night.


You can't have it both ways.

You can not say that nobody ever comes back from the dead, regardless how long they are gone, but then act as though you know what really happens to them after they are declared legally dead.

History has shown that people don't like to make choices on something, if it sounds complicated, or if they are getting mixed signals from their core propaganda beliefs.

Some would lead you to believe that nobody comes back from the dead, regardless the amount of time, but on the same hand. they know all about Heaven and hell.


Now these same people can not give you any evidence to support their theory, but I can.

the day that my experiment is tried. there will be evidence.

It worked, or it did not work.

now if it don't work at that time. you will have to make a new choice at that time.


Do we continue to try this free idea with other free options, or do we just go back and see how our government officials, and employees are doing at paying back the mistakes that they have made.

What happens to me?

I made no mistake that hurt you in any way.

Since my idea concept was free, and i was not employed by the Government.

I will not be required to pay anything back.

Now on the other hand. My idea concept does work.

What happens to me?


Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

[amb]

Don't forget the million dollar challenge offered by this forum.
Prove scientifically you're invisible thoughts, and presto. You are a millionaire.

[RoboTimbo]

<snip> (calculator broke counting the words) <snip>


You make marathon, million word posts like this and then complain about time bandits??

[Tim4848]

Don't forget the million dollar challenge offered by this forum.
Prove scientifically you're invisible thoughts, and presto. You are a millionaire.

Good question amp,

If you go way back to the beginning of this topic. I talked about how I was already qualified to try the million dollar challenge, and how I was going to split the money with people on the Internet, that helps me make this idea concept work.

What do I need a million dollars for?


Now on the other hand, if you want a slice of that pie, then by all means. Help me get this topic in the media more.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

[Tim4848]

You make marathon, million word posts like this and then complain about time bandits??

Good question Robo Timbo,

Regardless how long my post are. They are, for the most part. Focused on moving this topic forward, not backward.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

[Hokulele]

"Focused" is not the word for this thread.

[Tim4848]

"Focused" is not the word for this thread.


Why do you say that?

[Mashuna]

"Focused" is not the word for this thread.

Why do you say that?

Because reading your posts make my eyes glaze over?

[amb]

Because reading your posts make my eyes glaze over?

It's like reading a fantasy that an author takes itself seriously, doesn't it? ;)

[my_wan]

I think you mean google.

I think goggle was quiet fitting. I was just sitting here goggling this thread...

[amb]

And this thread is mind goggling.:D

[Loss Leader]

Thank you for reading the invisible words written in my thoughts which I transcribe within the bounds of time and time wasters.

How many libraries do you own?

Obama says you own nothing.

But if you do and if he is reading my invisible thoughts then we are all nothing. Are you nothing?

The truth is that all your library belong to us.

Can you doubt that? Can you doubt that the books are free? Can you doubt that education which lives within the books that science does not know about?

Or is Thomas Edison wrong?

We can be more like Thomas Edison if we go to the library and read books.

What is stopping you?

It is a free thought for you. It is a free gift which I give to you when I send you to the library to learn about your free topic. I fill it. You fill it. We all fill it at the library.

Or are you like Obama?

Whatever you can do to help my free thought of my mind about the library.

Thank you for reading my individual free thoughts which only rarely tell me to hurt myself or others.

[RoboTimbo]

Thank you for reading the invisible words written in my thoughts which I transcribe within the bounds of time and time wasters.

How many libraries do you own?

Obama says you own nothing.

But if you do and if he is reading my invisible thoughts then we are all nothing. Are you nothing?

The truth is that all your library belong to us.

Can you doubt that? Can you doubt that the books are free? Can you doubt that education which lives within the books that science does not know about?

Or is Thomas Edison wrong?

We can be more like Thomas Edison if we go to the library and read books.

What is stopping you?

It is a free thought for you. It is a free gift which I give to you when I send you to the library to learn about your free topic. I fill it. You fill it. We all fill it at the library.

Or are you like Obama?

Whatever you can do to help my free thought of my mind about the library.

Thank you for reading my individual free thoughts which only rarely tell me to hurt myself or others.


Finally! Something that makes sense!

[Akhenaten]

How amazing is it that a language like Timese can actually be learnt and then used to convey meaning? What a piece of work is man. Also woman.

Thanks LL.

[my_wan]

Kudos from me to LL. I'm glad to see somebody gets it.. Of course there remains a reason your invisible thoughts are well received. If only the free thoughts in the library was the only reason!

[Hokulele]

Thank you for reading the invisible words written in my thoughts which I transcribe within the bounds of time and time wasters.


Bandits. Get it right.

Or pirates. Pirates are good too.

Or maybe ninjas. Yeah, time ninjas. I like that one.

[Tim4848]

Finally! Something that makes sense!

Can you find my invisible thoughts at a library, with out getting on the Internet there?

I will be the first to say that there is a wealth of information at any library, but not about this topic, and me.


If you know of something at the library that helps your case that there is no way that my free idea will work, then please by all means. Save us some time, and post it here.

I did not stutter

If you feel I am wrong with my free idea concept, please fill free to explain, why you feel that way.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

[wollery]

If you know of something at the library that helps your case that there is no way that my free idea will work, then please by all means. Save us some time, and post it here.Any basic high school physics text. Read the chapter(s) on energy.

[amb]

Any basic high school physics text. Read the chapter(s) on energy.

:p Yes Tim. An excellent place to start. Physics! And the laws of physics rule out your hairbrained ideas right out of the window. :p

[RoboTimbo]

Can you find my invisible thoughts at a library, with out getting on the Internet there?

I will be the first to say that there is a wealth of information at any library, but not about this topic, and me.


If you know of something at the library that helps your case that there is no way that my free idea will work, then please by all means. Save us some time, and post it here.

I did not stutter

If you feel I am wrong with my free idea concept, please fill free to explain, why you feel that way.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

Stop wasting my time, you time ninja! Fill free to read that physics book at the library. Hm, I wish I could fill free at the gas station.

[Tim4848]

Any basic high school physics text. Read the chapter(s) on energy.

Please fill free to post this basic high school physics text on energy.

[Tim4848]

:p Yes Tim. An excellent place to start. Physics! And the laws of physics rule out your hairbrained ideas right out of the window. :p

Please fill free to list any physics rules you would like.

Start with one, or as many as you would like.

I'm up for the challenge.

Anything else, is just a Time Bandit way of waisting time.


tim484848

[wollery]

Please fill free to post this basic high school physics text on energy.It would break copyright to post the actual text here, and I have no idea which basic high school physics books your local library will stock, because I live halfway round the world from you, and have never taught science in the US, although I did teach it in the UK, so I can't tell you specifically which book to look for.

I've told you what to do. Go to your local library, ask the librarian for a basic physics textbook, check out the textbook, and then read the chapters on energy. It should be free, although you will have to give them your name and address, and provide proof of identity.

But more important, please tell us how the thought energy maintains coherence after death, and then explain how it gains more energy in order to keep thinking (since thinking uses up energy). You are the one making the claim, it's up to you to back it up with something more than wishful thinking and anecdotes.

[Tim4848]

Stop wasting my time, you time ninja! Fill free to read that physics book at the library. Hm, I wish I could fill free at the gas station.

If I am wasting any one of you time, then that falls on you.

Nobody said you have to come back to this topic.

Do you feel junk mail is a waste of time?

Do you go a head and read it anyway, and then send a complaint to them, for waisting your time.

If that is the case, then you need some serious help.

If you don't like this topic, then why do you keep coming back to it?

If I do get a chance, to be on the Dr. Phil show, then I will ask him what he thinks is wrong with you.

If you do not believe i have the ability to make this idea concept work.

Please save your time, and go spend it on what you feel is worth your while.

Don't waste your while here!


If you feel i am a pain, or a waste of time, then please fill free to do other things with your life.

Your not getting any younger.



Side Bar:

I would believe it is in our National Security interest to review anybody that continues to complain about this possibility, but they never leave the topic alone.

I don't think they are crazy, so they must have a secret agenda.

Example:

Wollery has never supported me with this topic from day one, but he keeps coming back. He use to inform me that he was from china, but after i caught him in a lie. He now saids he lives some where else.

Why does he keep coming back to this topic, just like some other ones as well?

It's very rare if they ever place any effort into answering any of my questions.

If any National Security branch is actually monitoring this topic, please fill free to check them out from time to time.

I would, but I just don't have the time.

Maybe I am wrong, and they will actually produce some physic questions.

I know I went to a physic forum once with this topic, and I don't remember them having any physic problems with my positive possibility.

Please fill free to post anything that you feel science will agree with you on.

Because if your school books are that good, then science could come out and make a public announcement that there is no way in __________, that it is possible.

Then when the next guy comes along like Thomas A. Edison, or me. that we have it in writing that science supports your evidence as true, and there is no mathematical way that Afterlife are out there, or that we could ever build a machine that had the capability to do it.

Please go to all the libraries in the world and post your claim.

We all want to know it.

Please fill free to hit me with your best shot.

Every time bandit that has ever posted on this topic. Is now on the clock to produce your claim that afterlife could never be as I claim they are, or that my idea concept could never work because it defies Physics.

What Value do I have on my side:

Thomas A. Edison
80% of Americans that believe that there is some type of afterlife. (Is that there belief, or is it there inner thoughts?)
10% of 6 Billion people on average will have an unplanned out of body experience at some point in there life. Some reports say that percentage, might be as high as twenty percent.

Science proved last year that our inner thoughts. Have the ability to produce an out of body experience.

they were able to trick people into thinking they were having an out of body experience, but on the same hand. they also showed that our inner energy might have the ability to make it happen. This Year science is spending money in this field of science again.

They want to study people who have near death experiences.
They want to study them while they are having them.

Now why would science still be spending money studding this possibility, if you already had the answer in Physics?


regardless what they do, or what you do. you will still have to go through my topic to get the truth!

My topic goes to the edge of follow through, and that is where it attacks the moment of truth.

Now some of you are making the claim that my moment of truth can not be measured.

Please fill free to explain why it is impossible to do?




What value do you have on your side:

__________________________________



Nobody has ever proved that it is possible.
(How can they prove it to you, if you don't give them the chance to try it?)


We all can be replaced.

Do you want to be replaced?

Would you like to have a free well thought out option plan. Just in case you find one day, that afterlife is like that of a near death out of body person.

I am more than willing to come inside your world and set this whole thing up for free!

This offer may end though on election day.

If Senator John McCain, Governor Sarah Palin, and I, don't win!

I am considering other options with my topic.

[wollery]

Example:

Wollery has never supported me with this topic from day one, but he keeps coming back. He use to inform me that he was from china, but after i caught him in a lie. He now saids he lives some where else.Oh really? What lie did you catch me in, and where do I now say I live?

Because I really do live in China. Never said otherwise, and unless you can show the post where you caught me in a lie and the post where I now claim to live somewhere other than China it shows that you are a liar.

So please, enlighten us, which posts were these that back up your claims of me being caught in a lie and then claiming I live somewhere other than China?

[RoboTimbo]

<snip tons of words>

Side Bar:

I would believe it is in our National Security interest to review anybody that continues to complain about this possibility, but they never leave the topic alone.

I don't think they are crazy, so they must have a secret agenda.

<snip way more tons of words>

:jaw-dropp

You need to start a new thread in Conspiracy Theories for this.

[Mashuna]

:jaw-dropp

You need to start a new thread in Conspiracy Theories for this.

Don't encourage the madness to spread!

[Baby-Girl]

Good question Robo Timbo,

Regardless how long my post are. They are, for the most part. Focused on moving this topic forward, not backward.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

Hiya, quick question, what does "invisable thoughts" mean? What is the difference between your invisable thoughts, too just normal everyday thoughts?
:boggled:

[cos]

What is the difference between your invisable thoughts, too just normal everyday thoughts?
:boggled:

I think what we need here is a good example of a "visible thought." That should clear things right up...

[Tim4848]

Oh really? What lie did you catch me in, and where do I now say I live?

Because I really do live in China. Never said otherwise, and unless you can show the post where you caught me in a lie and the post where I now claim to live somewhere other than China it shows that you are a liar.

So please, enlighten us, which posts were these that back up your claims of me being caught in a lie and then claiming I live somewhere other than China?

Please make up your mind where you are at.

I asked that I heard that people in china can not just go any where they want on the Internet, because the Country has a way of stopping them from doing that. then you said you were just kidding, and named some other place.

This is not if I am lying or not, but an example of something our Homeland security should check out.

Now if they research it, and don't see anything strange, then it is there call.

I'm not lying. I am just pointing out examples.


I will not waste my time going back and looking for any link about this, because it should be public records for anybody to see.

It seams at times, as though some of these public records seam to disappear.

Not because of anything I have done, except report them.

example:

I once heard that they had placed a BrainGate in China.

Not only could i not find where I post that, but i can't seam to find any links about it as well.

I guess the only thing you can do to stop things like this, is to print everything you post.

I would like to think that we all are smart enough by now, to know that some people in curtain situations, can make any link on the Internet go away.

I would like to think this is only a short term problem ,and that the Department of home land securities has options when things like this happen.


Anything on this site can be edited.


if any viewers are truly interested in the new thing that the Time Bandits are trying. Please fill free to print everything you read on this topic.

I just don't have the time to play these games.

[Tim4848]

:jaw-dropp

You need to start a new thread in Conspiracy Theories for this.

I'll save that for somebody else to do at this Forum.

I just don't have the time right now!:boxedin:

[Tim4848]

Don't encourage the madness to spread!

Don't worry Mashuna,

I will delegate that section for somebody else, just Like Edison did, when he delegated my topic.

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time.

tim484848

:):D:o;):p:(:confused::mad::rolleyes::cool::eek::b lush::boggled::eye-poppi:jaw-dropp:covereyes

It takes people like you, to make people like me.

:boxedin::crowded::boxedin:

[wollery]

Please make up your mind where you are at.

I asked that I heard that people in china can not just go any where they want on the Internet, because the Country has a way of stopping them from doing that. then you said you were just kidding, and named some other place.No. I told you, in detail about the Chinese firewall, which blocks a few sites, mostly porn and blog sites, plus a few news sites that are critical of the Chinese government. Other than that the Chinese can access pretty much any website that you can. I also pointed out that there are ways around the firewall, so that it's perfectly possible for someone inside China to access sites that are officially blocked.

Then I stated, quite clearly, that I am British. I was born in England. Northwest London to be precise. I have lived and worked in China for more than 2 years, and I expect to be here at least 3 more years. Nowhere have I claimed to live anywhere else. Why would I? I don't.

You, on the other hand, made claims about me, which you were completely unable to back up with any evidence whatsoever. In fact, you refuse to even look for any evidence.

This is all a matter of record, just look back, pages 26 to 28. It's all there.

This is not if I am lying or not, but an example of something our Homeland security should check out.

Now if they research it, and don't see anything strange, then it is there call.

I'm not lying.You are, at the very least, completely wrong.

I am just pointing out examples.Apparently as a defence mechanism, designed to discredit me. Why would that be?

I will not waste my time going back and looking for any link about this, because it should be public records for anybody to see.It is, and it shows that you are completely wrong.

It seams at times, as though some of these public records seam to disappear.

Not because of anything I have done, except report them.

example:

I once heard that they had placed a BrainGate in China.

Not only could i not find where I post that, but i can't seam to find any links about it as well.It's there. Post 1160 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3868105&postcount=1160).

I guess the only thing you can do to stop things like this, is to print everything you post.Or write in a brief, coherent, understandable manner. That way it's easy to find the relevant parts of your post. Or learn how to use a computer properly.

I would like to think that we all are smart enough by now, to know that some people in curtain situations, can make any link on the Internet go away.Except they don't, at least, not on this forum.

I would like to think this is only a short term problem ,and that the Department of home land securities has options when things like this happen.:rolleyes:

Anything on this site can be edited.But nothing is edited on this site unless it breaches the rules, which none of your stuff does, so it's all still there.

if any viewers are truly interested in the new thing that the Time Bandits are trying. Please fill free to print everything you read on this topic.

I just don't have the time to play these games.No, but you have time to make baseless accusations towards people with whom you are debating.

Fact 1. You did not catch me in a lie.

Fact 2. I live in China, and never claimed to live anywhere else in any response to you.

Fact 3. You claimed to have caught me in a lie and that when you did so I changed my claim about where I lived.

Fact 4. I challenged you to prove these claims.

Fact 5. You refused to even try to prove them.

Sorry Tim, but if you are going to accuse someone of dishonesty you'd better have the facts to back up your accusation, or you are the one who will end up looking dishonest. I'm perfectly willing to accept that you misinterpreted something, or that your memory is faulty, but given the facts, unless you retract your accusations, and apologise to me for making them, what little respect you have from the posters in this thread will disappear completely.

You might want to read this post by Little 10 Toes (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3894831&postcount=1198).

[Baby-Girl]

Don't worry Mashuna,

I will delegate that section for somebody else, just Like Edison did, when he delegated my topic.

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time.

tim484848

:):D:o;):p:(:confused::mad::rolleyes::cool::eek::b lush::boggled::eye-poppi:jaw-dropp:covereyes

It takes people like you, to make people like me.

:boxedin::crowded::boxedin:

Hi Tim 48484848

I asked in a previous thread, "what are your invisable thoughts" i dont understand what the difference is between normal thoughts, that we think everyday, and people dont see, to your "invisable thoughts"

Also, i am not asking this to disprove anything you are saying, i just want to understand.
What has happened to you to make you feel so strongly about OBE, and so certain about it, that (i have to admire you) your taking on allot of people in proving them right/wrong!
NOw, me thinks, everyone can think what they want, and if you yourself have had a OBE then hey maybe your just the lucky one!
:cool:

[amb]

Please fill free to list any physics rules you would like.

Start with one, or as many as you would like.

I'm up for the challenge.

Anything else, is just a Time Bandit way of waisting time.


tim484848

For a start, and importantly, physics rules out a world of the mind as you infer. The very idea of a braingate would require not only the bending of laws of nature, but the bending of the laws of physics as well.

[wollery]

For a start, and importantly, physics rules out a world of the mind as you infer. The very idea of a braingate would require not only the bending of laws of nature, but the bending of the laws of physics as well.Actually, the braingate machine is a real machine, and it works, on living patients at least.

At the moment it's used on quadriplegic patients to allow them to move a cursor on a computer screen, the idea being that eventually they'll be able to control a computerised house, and therefore it will give them more autonomy.

Of course, it requires part of the machine to be hard-wired into their brains, a required physical connection which Tim continues to overlook.

[Loss Leader]

Of course, it requires part of the machine to be hard-wired into their brains, a required physical connection which Tim continues to overlook.


To Tim's credit, he hasn't overlooked this. He has repeatedly said that the BrainGate device could be modified to allow ghosts to use it. He has specified that engineers could attack this problem once his plan is put into action. He has argued that he is not an engineer and cannot be expected to know how to modify a device that senses an electrical charge to one that senses whatever emanation is given off by ghosts.

So, he has not overlooked the fact that his idea is impossible. He has only asked us to delay confronting the fact that his idea is impossible. Big difference.

[my_wan]

To Tim's credit, he hasn't overlooked this. He has repeatedly said that the BrainGate device could be modified to allow ghosts to use it. He has specified that engineers could attack this problem once his plan is put into action. He has argued that he is not an engineer and cannot be expected to know how to modify a device that senses an electrical charge to one that senses whatever emanation is given off by ghosts.

So, he has not overlooked the fact that his idea is impossible. He has only asked us to delay confronting the fact that his idea is impossible. Big difference.

This is the issue I took over a year ago in this same thread. Given the assumption that there is something ghostly to measure and the assumption that BrainGate could be modified to measure it then anybody finding themselves in ghost form wouldn't need the BrainGate to make their presents known. If the thesis is correct I certainly will not have too much difficulty communicating with the living should I find myself devoid of a body. It would take only slightly more than average knowledge without BrainGate but certainly wouldn't require a genius. Go screw with SETI anybody? :D

[RoboTimbo]

<snippety snip>
It takes people like you, to make people like me.

:boxedin::crowded::boxedin:


Chocolate forgive us, what have we done?

[Tim4848]

Hi Tim 48484848

I asked in a previous thread, "what are your invisible thoughts" i dint understand what the difference is between normal thoughts, that we think everyday, and people don't see, to your "invisible thoughts"

Also, i am not asking this to disprove anything you are saying, i just want to understand.
What has happened to you to make you feel so strongly about OBE, and so certain about it, that (i have to admire you) your taking on allot of people in proving them right/wrong!
NOw, me thinks, everyone can think what they want, and if you yourself have had a OBE then hey maybe your just the lucky one!
:cool:

Dear Baby Girl,

I am not the only one to ever experience and out of body experience, and it won't be long before the truth will come out!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080923/hl_time/whathappenswhenwedie

I use the invisible thoughts as a metaphor. Some in our culture would lead you to believe that they know everything, but in reality, they don't.

If they did, then they should also be able to tell us what we are thinking right now in our thoughts, but they can't.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

[Tim4848]

For a start, and importantly, physics rules out a world of the mind as you infer. The very idea of a braingate would require not only the bending of laws of nature, but the bending of the laws of physics as well.

Please fill free to explain that to Dr. Sam Parnia,

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS258&q=Dr.+Sam+Parnia&btnG=Google+Search

And to think, I didn't even need to go to the library and waste my time.

Please fill free to ask me more questions, if you would like.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

[Tim4848]

To Tim's credit, he hasn't overlooked this. He has repeatedly said that the BrainGate device could be modified to allow ghosts to use it. He has specified that engineers could attack this problem once his plan is put into action. He has argued that he is not an engineer and cannot be expected to know how to modify a device that senses an electrical charge to one that senses whatever emanation is given off by ghosts.

So, he has not overlooked the fact that his idea is impossible. He has only asked us to delay confronting the fact that his idea is impossible. Big difference.

I have never said delay anything about my free idea concept!

We could start my free idea concept experiment as soon as tomorrow.

Dr. Sam Parnia is hoping his experiment will be fruitful in the next three years.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS258&q=Dr.+Sam+Parnia&btnG=Google+Search

What is the difference between Dr. Sam Parnia experiment and mine?

Dr. Sam Parnia experiment cost money, and mine is free!

Regardless how Dr. Sam Parnia experiment works out for him. You will still need to try my free idea concept as well, if you ever want to know the real truth!

[Tim4848]

Actually, the braingate machine is a real machine, and it works, on living patients at least.

At the moment it's used on quadriplegic patients to allow them to move a cursor on a computer screen, the idea being that eventually they'll be able to control a computerised house, and therefore it will give them more autonomy.

Of course, it requires part of the machine to be hard-wired into their brains, a required physical connection which Tim continues to overlook.

I have not over looked that!

I have already posted how we can get around that problem.

[Tim4848]

Hi Tim 48484848

I asked in a previous thread, "what are your invisable thoughts" i dont understand what the difference is between normal thoughts, that we think everyday, and people dont see, to your "invisable thoughts"

Also, i am not asking this to disprove anything you are saying, i just want to understand.
What has happened to you to make you feel so strongly about OBE, and so certain about it, that (i have to admire you) your taking on allot of people in proving them right/wrong!
NOw, me thinks, everyone can think what they want, and if you yourself have had a OBE then hey maybe your just the lucky one!
:cool:

Dear Baby Girl,

I am glad to see that you have taken an interested in this field of science. Maybe this thread below can help you with that.

http://www.iands.org/

[wollery]

What, no response to this post?Please make up your mind where you are at.

I asked that I heard that people in china can not just go any where they want on the Internet, because the Country has a way of stopping them from doing that. then you said you were just kidding, and named some other place.No. I told you, in detail about the Chinese firewall, which blocks a few sites, mostly porn and blog sites, plus a few news sites that are critical of the Chinese government. Other than that the Chinese can access pretty much any website that you can. I also pointed out that there are ways around the firewall, so that it's perfectly possible for someone inside China to access sites that are officially blocked.

Then I stated, quite clearly, that I am British. I was born in England. Northwest London to be precise. I have lived and worked in China for more than 2 years, and I expect to be here at least 3 more years. Nowhere have I claimed to live anywhere else. Why would I? I don't.

You, on the other hand, made claims about me, which you were completely unable to back up with any evidence whatsoever. In fact, you refuse to even look for any evidence.

This is all a matter of record, just look back, pages 26 to 28. It's all there.

This is not if I am lying or not, but an example of something our Homeland security should check out.

Now if they research it, and don't see anything strange, then it is there call.

I'm not lying.You are, at the very least, completely wrong.

I am just pointing out examples.Apparently as a defence mechanism, designed to discredit me. Why would that be?

I will not waste my time going back and looking for any link about this, because it should be public records for anybody to see.It is, and it shows that you are completely wrong.

It seams at times, as though some of these public records seam to disappear.

Not because of anything I have done, except report them.

example:

I once heard that they had placed a BrainGate in China.

Not only could i not find where I post that, but i can't seam to find any links about it as well.It's there. Post 1160 (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3868105&postcount=1160).

I guess the only thing you can do to stop things like this, is to print everything you post.Or write in a brief, coherent, understandable manner. That way it's easy to find the relevant parts of your post. Or learn how to use a computer properly.

I would like to think that we all are smart enough by now, to know that some people in curtain situations, can make any link on the Internet go away.Except they don't, at least, not on this forum.

I would like to think this is only a short term problem ,and that the Department of home land securities has options when things like this happen.:rolleyes:

Anything on this site can be edited.But nothing is edited on this site unless it breaches the rules, which none of your stuff does, so it's all still there.

if any viewers are truly interested in the new thing that the Time Bandits are trying. Please fill free to print everything you read on this topic.

I just don't have the time to play these games.No, but you have time to make baseless accusations towards people with whom you are debating.

Fact 1. You did not catch me in a lie.

Fact 2. I live in China, and never claimed to live anywhere else in any response to you.

Fact 3. You claimed to have caught me in a lie and that when you did so I changed my claim about where I lived.

Fact 4. I challenged you to prove these claims.

Fact 5. You refused to even try to prove them.

Sorry Tim, but if you are going to accuse someone of dishonesty you'd better have the facts to back up your accusation, or you are the one who will end up looking dishonest. I'm perfectly willing to accept that you misinterpreted something, or that your memory is faulty, but given the facts, unless you retract your accusations, and apologise to me for making them, what little respect you have from the posters in this thread will disappear completely.

You might want to read this post by Little 10 Toes (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3894831&postcount=1198).

[Tim4848]

Dear wollery,

Like it or not, but if you do live in China as you say you are. Why do you continue to slow down, or stop this topic?

"I also pointed out that there are ways around the firewall, so that it's perfectly possible for someone inside China to access sites that are officially blocked."

Too much information for me!

My goal is to focus on this topic, not your Time Bandit agenda. Anything else is just a waste of time.

As I said before,

"I will not waste my time going back and looking for any link about this, because it should be public records for anybody to see."

It would be one thing if the country you say you are in. Cared about humans rights, but that is not the case is it?

Believe it or not wollery, but this topic is not about you, or the country you decided to go too!

If I am wrong, please fill free to explain to me. How you have gone out of your way to try and help with this topic?

What links have you posted that help people find out more about this field of science?

Have you ever been to America wollery?

Do you ever have plans in the future, of coming to America?

If you truly feel that you have done nothing wrong, then you should have nothing to worry about when you get here.

Believe it or not wollery, but you are one of the reasons I really don't like to get into too much details about this topic on this site. I would rather spread more of the detail information around on different sites.

I'm sorry, but at this time. As long as you claim you are in China. I just don't have a lot of confidence in anything you have to say.

Please fill free to send me private emails about this problem if you like, but anything public ally, under this topic, is just a waste of time.

tim484848

[Hokulele]

<Obsessing over wollery>

Believe it or not wollery, but this topic is not about you, or the country you decided to go too!

<More obsessing over wollery>


* Snork *

[Mashuna]

anything publically, under this topic, is just a waste of time.



Finally, realisation dawns!

[wollery]

Dear wollery,

Like it or not, but if you do live in China as you say you are. Why do you continue to slow down, or stop this topic?Just because you don't like people pointing out why your idea is a foetid pile of dingoes kidneys you attack them, rather than address the problems they point out.

"I also pointed out that there are ways around the firewall, so that it's perfectly possible for someone inside China to access sites that are officially blocked."

Too much information for me!You asked about people in China being unable to access the internet, and used the idea that they couldn't as a basis for accusing me of lying. It seemed perfectly reasonable, under the circumstances to explain the true situation. I also note that you completely ignored the part where I pointed out that very few sites are blocked. Why is that?

My goal is to focus on this topic, not your Time Bandit agenda. Anything else is just a waste of time.Except that you only take heed of people who you think are helping you, rather than approaching it from a truly scientific perspective and addressing the problems that people point out with your idea.

As I said before,

"I will not waste my time going back and looking for any link about this, because it should be public records for anybody to see."So you are perfectly happy to accuse someone of lying, and then refusing to apologise, or retract your accusation when they show that you were (at the very least) mistaken.

Duly noted. I wonder what John McCain would say if he were told that his ardent supporter was so lacking in ethics or moral character.

It would be one thing if the country you say you are in. Cared about humans rights, but that is not the case is it?Utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

Believe it or not wollery, but this topic is not about you, or the country you decided to go too!You made it about me when you decided to attack my credibility by falsely accusing me of being a spy, and later of lying. You could just as easily stop it being about me by apologising and retracting your accusation.

If I am wrong, please fill free to explain to me.I've tried, several times. You keep ignoring my attempts, instead deflecting them with screeds of nonsense.

You've still failed to answer my questions regarding the way in which "thought energy" can maintain cohesion after a person dies, or how the energy keeps from being used up as soon as it starts to have thoughts.

Answer those and I might accept that you possibly have a point.

How you have gone out of your way to try and help with this topic?I did exactly what you asked, and offered reasons why it wouldn't work.

What links have you posted that help people find out more about this field of science?Not what you asked for. You asked for constructive criticism. It isn't my fault that you can't take that criticism.

Have you ever been to America wollery?Many times, and always enjoyed it.

Do you ever have plans in the future, of coming to America?Yes, and I expect to have no problems when I do.

If you truly feel that you have done nothing wrong, then you should have nothing to worry about when you get here. I haven't done anything wrong. Do you think I've done anything that would affect my entry into the US? If so, what?

Believe it or not wollery, but you are one of the reasons I really don't like to get into too much details about this topic on this site. I would rather spread more of the detail information around on different sites.Because I point out why your idea is crap, and don't just lay down and take it when you make false accusations against me to discredit my arguments?

I can see why you wouldn't want to discuss a crap idea with people who can see it for what it actually is, and point it out.

I'm sorry, but at this time. As long as you claim you are in China. I just don't have a lot of confidence in anything you have to say.Why not?

Please fill free to send me private emails about this problem if you like, but anything public ally, under this topic, is just a waste of time.Ah, I see. You accuse me of lying and of being a spy, you refuse to check your facts, and when you're asked to apologise or retract your accusations you run away.

And you have the gall to have a go at the Chinese? :nope:

[amb]

Dear Baby Girl,

I am not the only one to ever experience and out of body experience, and it won't be long before the truth will come out!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080923/hl_time/whathappenswhenwedie

I use the invisible thoughts as a metaphor. Some in our culture would lead you to believe that they know everything, but in reality, they don't.

If they did, then they should also be able to tell us what we are thinking right now in our thoughts, but they can't.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848
Tim, you cannot take all these cooks at their word. Before you jump to conclusions, check out their qualifications, any peer reviewed papers they may have, but more importantly. When, how, and under what circumstances did they produce their results. I smell something rotten in Denmark.

[my_wan]

Guys there truly is a disconnect here. I have worded post to mean one thing and interpreted another just to test how it worked. Tim truly is not trying to attack, smear, or otherwise dishonestly impugn anybody. The disconnect between switching from specifics to generalities and back often includes inappropriately entangled information. Same thing happens with regard to implied content and actual information even when the actual information is from disparate sources. The bridge appears uncrossable, though Tim may have some ideas about how to get across.

[wollery]

Guys there truly is a disconnect here. I have worded post to mean one thing and interpreted another just to test how it worked. Tim truly is not trying to attack, smear, or otherwise dishonestly impugn anybody. The disconnect between switching from specifics to generalities and back often includes inappropriately entangled information. Same thing happens with regard to implied content and actual information even when the actual information is from disparate sources. The bridge appears uncrossable, though Tim may have some ideas about how to get across.So when he said he caught me in a lie, and I then changed my claim about where I lived, neither of which was true, he wasn't actually saying that?

Sorry, but when someone something like that directly, that is exactly what they mean!

[Tim4848]

Guys there truly is a disconnect here. I have worded post to mean one thing and interpreted another just to test how it worked. Tim truly is not trying to attack, smear, or otherwise dishonestly impugn anybody. The disconnect between switching from specifics to generalities and back often includes inappropriately entangled information. Same thing happens with regard to implied content and actual information even when the actual information is from disparate sources. The bridge appears uncrossable, though Tim may have some ideas about how to get across.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

Right now is crunch time, because the election is almost upon us. My main focus is that at this time.

I promise once my idea concept has a chance to happen. I will be more than glad to re-visit the problem wollery is having with me at this time.

From his passion about this issue. He might be right, but I just don't want to waste the time right now, going back and reviewing that.

Ronald Reagan had Star Wars to help him get elected, and one of the candidates right now could have mine just as well.

I believe that my free idea concept is that something New that voters are looking for.

Over 80% of Americans believe that there is something after death.

Inventor Thomas A. Edison believed that it was possible.

I have no problem with people wanting to find flaws in my free idea concept,
but we still do need to get it started just the same.

It runs parallel to the research being done for the next three years from the link I posted.

The only difference is this.

My idea concept could start as soon as tomorrow

Regardless what results they get over those three years. They will still need to try my idea as well.

My idea concept is free!

I have offered this free idea concept to John McCain, and Ron Paul.

What would it hurt for them to try this at this point in the election.

I would also like somebody to help me find a way of communicating with Dr. Sam Parnia.

Dear wollery,

I don't know for sure where you are at on this Earth. Any more than i know where all the potential out of body afterlife are.

I just feel that they are more important at this time.

Please fill free to provide time photo's of your self in China right now, if you like, and I will be more than glad to view them.

My goal is not to upset you, or anybody else, so please be so kind to help me now, get this topic more organized.

We can always go back to focusing on why you feel I am a liar, or my idea won't work later.

I hope I am wrong about you, because I do like interacting with you from time to time.

I just don't like it when you cut up one of my post, because you know that I am not very good at replying to all your remarks after that.

I'm sorry that I am not perfect.

I thought we were close enough by now, that you would give me a break.

My goal is not to lower your value in any way.

I totally understand what it is like to have sanity questioned.

I totally understand that I could still be a Vice President for some financial company. Probably out some where with the owner playing golf, or gambling in some casino.

After seven years of that. I gave up the good life to focus on this topic.

I still believe it was the best thing I have ever done.

I see it all!

A positive possibility that will turn our economy around over night.


Why?

Because I see positive!

And I see it with a candidate that truly listens, and totally understands a beautiful mind when they are in the present of one.

I offer them the chance to see if I am that type of person.

They could meet me in private and make that decision.

Sure I will be so nervous, that I will make Mel Tillis look like a smooth operator.

Like it or not, but I just might have the ability to make this happen.

Am I crazy?

Give any candidate the chance to find out for them self.

What would it hurt?

Wake up America!

It's make or break crunch time for this free idea concept of mine.

It is that I don't like Obama, but it is not the right time for him.

I have no doubt that he has the ability to do it, I just think that there are so many different problems in Washington right now. Obama would look better after giving McCain four years to clean it up.

Now after those four years, then Obama and Sarah can go at it head to head.

Like it or not, but this is John McCain and Ron Paul last chance, and they both have a wealth of experience that we need at this time.

The only reason Obama is winning right now, is because all those lobbyist are sending him lots of money. They do not want a reformer in the White House.

What our my qualifications?

I have more experience than Obama

He never ran a financial company and had five supervisors working under him.

With my pizza experience of thirty minutes or less. I don't waste a lot of time.

I have done community involvement by placing private sector coupons on many different houses through out the Dayton area.

I have a gift for this possibility, that can't be denied, regardless what mistakes I make a long the way.

Nobody is more touchy feely than I

What is my mistake ratio?

Less than 5% of every human living on this Earth, and what mistakes they have made on average.

The only mistake I can think of at this time. Is my mistake with Wollery.

At some point. i thought he said that he lived in Great Brittan, or England.

Apparently, i miss understood what he had posted, and then being my lazy self of going back over past post in a timely matter, and apparently I made a mistake there as well.

Everybody knows that communication is the best policy, and i really dropped the ball with wallery.

Dear wollery,

I'm sorry if I have hurt you in any way. To save time. I am taking you at your word. Let it be recorded in History that on this date. I apologized to wollery for misunderstanding what he was trying to tell me.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848





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[RoboTimbo]

I'm not understanding. Not that that should come as a surprise in this thread. Are you saying<excised>
Ronald Reagan had Star Wars to help him get elected, and one of the candidates right now could have mine just as well.

you're comparing your idea concept to SDI? Or What our my qualifications?

I have more experience than Obama

He never ran a financial company and had five supervisors working under him.
You're running for President? With
my pizza experience of thirty minutes or less. I don't waste a lot of time.

as your experience? Or this?Nobody is more touchy feely than I

Actually, I'm not:reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

I'm not too sure anyone can.

[wollery]

The only mistake I can think of at this time. Is my mistake with Wollery.

At some point. i thought he said that he lived in Great Brittan, or England.

Apparently, i miss understood what he had posted, and then being my lazy self of going back over past post in a timely matter, and apparently I made a mistake there as well.

Everybody knows that communication is the best policy, and i really dropped the ball with wallery.

Dear wollery,

I'm sorry if I have hurt you in any way. To save time. I am taking you at your word. Let it be recorded in History that on this date. I apologized to wollery for misunderstanding what he was trying to tell me.Fair enough.

So, back to the topic. There are two questions I have asked you which have have so far completely failed to answer.

You say that thoughts are made of energy and that due to the law of conservation of energy they survive brain death. However, you have not yet explained -

1. Since "thought energy" is contained in the brain during life, how does it manage to stay together as a unit without the brain to contain it?

2. Thinking uses energy, so, since thinking will use up the available energy rather quickly, where does the "thought energy" get new energy to replenish itself?

[Tim4848]

Fair enough.

So, back to the topic. There are two questions I have asked you which have have so far completely failed to answer.

You say that thoughts are made of energy and that due to the law of conservation of energy they survive brain death. However, you have not yet explained -

1. Since "thought energy" is contained in the brain during life, how does it manage to stay together as a unit without the brain to contain it?

2. Thinking uses energy, so, since thinking will use up the available energy rather quickly, where does the "thought energy" get new energy to replenish itself?

Two good questions,

Question 1) The same as the brain does not have the ability to contain your aura.

Question 2) Thought is energy, and energy can not be destroyed.

I just figured out how to look at the situation correctly.

There is an inside to everything, and everything can be measured.

Science saids that energy can not be made, destroyed, but it can change form.

My free idea concept applies to all those laws, plus one.

You, me, and everybody else by association.

Edison made no mistake when he claimed it was possible.

We did!

[wollery]

Two good questions,

Question 1) The same as the brain does not have the ability to contain your aura.Doesn't answer the question. How does the "thought energy" stay together?

Question 2) Thought is energy, and energy can not be destroyed. But it is converted to other forms of energy when an action occurs. Thinking is an action which converts energy from chemical potential energy to heat energy and electrical energy. How do you think this can be stopped from happening?

I just figured out how to look at the situation correctly.

There is an inside to everything, and everything can be measured.

Science saids that energy can not be made, destroyed, but it can change form.Indeed, but that changing form is the important point. It occurs when anything happens, including thinking. This means that the "thought energy" will be used for thinking, and more energy must be found to continue the process. Where does this new energy come from?

My free idea concept applies to all those laws, plus one.Plus one? Which one?

[my_wan]

wollery
I PMed you. Hopefully I made it a bit clearer.

Think about it, Tim contacted a presidential campaign to take his BrainGate idea and use it in their campaign like SDI.

I have offered this free idea concept to John McCain, and Ron Paul.

I see it all!

A positive possibility that will turn our economy around over night.

Why?

Because I see positive!

And I see it with a candidate that truly listens, and totally understands a beautiful mind when they are in the present of one.

Not only is my idea concept free, but it will fix our country.

Who would like to talk about that, while Obama calls me stupid?

Tim's beliefs, opinions, aspirations, etc. are as real as it gets. There exist no possibility of ever getting anything better from him. He has given his best. He is not a troll and no information in this Universe will ever improve what he has provided. Fascinating.. maybe, but those are the facts.

[Tim4848]

wollery
I PMed you. Hopefully I made it a bit clearer.

Think about it, Tim contacted a presidential campaign to take his BrainGate idea and use it in their campaign like SDI.

I must of got somebody worried. They kicked me off Ron Paul forum site.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=tim484848&start=10&sa=N


Tim's beliefs, opinions, aspirations, etc. are as real as it gets.

Wake up America to what he is saying this time!


There exist no possibility of ever getting anything better from him. He has given his best. He is not a troll and no information in this Universe will ever improve what he has provided. Fascinating.. maybe, but those are the facts.

Every man goes to his cave every once in a while through out the day.

I just have a bad habit of staying a lot longer in the cave, focusing on this topic.

Why just use this time for little problems?

Why not visualize the whole gambit of positive possibilities?

All I ask is time with the BrainGate patients, and let them decide.

What would it hurt?

Thomas A. Edison believed it was possible.

Who do they have in any field of science that claims it is not possible?

What evidence do they have?

Everything about my serious free idea concept can be measured.

Science is knocking everyday on my back door to my free idea concept. they plan for the next three years to find an out of body experience person who can pass their experiment.
___________________
Regardless if science can find someone to try their out of body experience experiment.

They will still need to try my free idea concept.

Please fill free if you can argue with that statement.
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Anything from being light headed, to a near death experiment. Will still need to be measured at the moment of truth. The time after death.
Thomas A. Edison said that when he announced it was possible.

He said that we could communicate with the dead.

My free idea concept is designed to communicate with the dead.

I did not stutter!

Any candidate could benefit from this positive possibility, because it also protects our Homeland Security. It gives Hope, regardless how much value of Hope want to give to it.

There is no obligations

It's free!

Death just got a little bit better!

Positive options1

They were not Kidding when they talk about how good you feel there.

Plenty of time to think how great it would be, if you could interact through the Internet, during this time. Sure if you see a light, and feel that is the direction you should go. Please fill free to go that way.

What ever makes you happy, but if by chance you do find out, that afterlife is exactly like I said it was, and then you would like the option I am informing you about.

Then by all means inform somebody about me.

Are you scared to do anything that would make people believe you might be crazy, then I offer you another option.

If you are one those people out there, that enjoy reading my post, but you never post anything. i want to take a moment and talk to you.

When you go into your ballot box, to place your vote for the next President of The United States.

Write me in as an Independent.

Side Bar:
Joe the plumber will benefit more my free idea concept, than anything the other candidates are offering.

How can anybody vote no on my programs?

How could anybody vote no on real Hope?

How can anybody vote no for real change as I am offering.

My free idea concept has the ability to end wars.

You will never have to worry about having to send your children into harms way.

Now wait a minute Tim. you are actually acting like this idea concept of yours is possible. Who in there right mind, would ever take you serious?

For one, they are in their right mind. the part that has the ability to make things happen. If you can dream it. We can make it happen.

Second, One of the Worlds Greatest inventors believed that it was possible.
No he was never the President of the united states, but he was a very bright person. If he said we could do something, he usually did it.

Now he said this was possible. I was not even around when he made this point.

Just on what he claimed was possible. we have done nothing as a nation to really help that possibility to happen.

Here is one of the smartest men on earth when it came to things he thought about.

Has he made mistakes? Sure he has, but he learns fro everyone of them.

He did not make this idea concept public, unless he thought it was possible.

What support did we give him to try this?

None. the President at the time, only made jokes about the possibility.

We can no longer make jokes about a possibility that has as much Value, as this possibility has to offer.

To vote no on this possibility, is like handing over our Homeland security.

I sent an email to one of the Doctors doing that experiment with near death patients. The one that is suppose to last for three years. I am still waiting on a reply.

He seams to believe it might be possible.

Dr. Sam Parnia

Maybe he can find the time to interact with me, about my free idea concept.

I just want this list out of my bucket of life.

I would have no problem if he heads up my free idea concept.

Let him get all the credit.

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, regardless out into right field you might think this topic is, but with all things being equal. Anything is possible if you set your sites on it.

Why let a different country do this first?

Why send more money over seas?

Is there some type of New law, that saids only so many new things can come out of Dayton, Ohio?

Please fill me in on why this free idea concept is not in the news?

Is it my Breath?

Is it because I am too sexy for my shoes?

Is it because i did not say anything about trucks, mama, trains, and getting drunk?

Is it because I have not paid enough dues for such an expensive offer?

Is it because you just enjoy other people cutting up my words, like nobody else's business.

What ever the reason. Please fill free to write me in as a vote.

Maybe enough of you will do it, that some one just might take notice.

They say don't complain if you don't vote.

On one hand I count the reason, I would vote for you, but on the other hand, there's this new timmy plan, Reminding me why I am an American,
but the real reasons I should vote for timmy, is on the other hand.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

I wonder if it was a Republican, or a Democrat, that kicked me off Ron Paul forum. Maybe it was a lobbyist.

They gave no reason.

Is this what they call true freedom in America?

What are they afraid of?

You better be more scared if some body else does it first.

You don't have to use much imagination, what bad things could happen, it this fell in the wrong hands.

Some here would lead you to believe that my idea won't work. I am here to tell you that it already began to work the moment I reminded people that Edison thought it was possible.

How safe is my free idea?

The safest!!!!!!

How quick can we do your idea?

Now!!!!!!!!!

Will it really make a difference?

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!

Why don't I ever hear or read anything about you in the news?

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What if God Replies back, and saids leave us alone. What would you do?

Ask him why?

Why make me go through all this and then blow us off.

I take total responsibility if he is upset for any reason.

I will be more than glad to take care of any complaints.

Now don't get crazy, and want to hang me to a cross, or make me out to look like John McCain.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts,

You want to see me get teary eye.

Help me make this serious Free Idea Concept a positive possibility.

I saw a story in the media the other day, where they shot pumpkins through the sky. You would think at some point, they could through my free idea concept through the sky, and give people an option. a free back up plan, just in case I am right.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

tim484848

[Loss Leader]

Tim truly is not trying to attack, smear, or otherwise dishonestly impugn anybody.


I think we'd all agree that Tim is operating at his full capacity when discussing this topic.

[TjW]

I think we'd all agree that Tim is operating at his full capacity when discussing this topic.

I think we'd all agree that Tim is operating at his full opacity when discussing this topic.

[Tim4848]

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts, with those of your own.

Ten days from now. The voters will select the next President. This person is promising change. What kind of change will it be?

What type of change is the voters looking for?

More money going back into their 401k

Figuring out a way to be energy independent

Finding more good paying jobs right here in America.

Educating our kids better.

Free Health Care

Ending a war.

Cleaning up Washington

Protecting our borders

Taxing the wealthy

etc.

How much is all this going to cost?

My idea concept is free!

You are free to read about it.
You are free to think about it.
You are free to do it.
This idea concept crosses over party lines
You are free to talk about it.
You are free to make fun of it.
You are free to worry about it.
What a great country to live in.
You are free to do just about anything.
We even decided that it was in the dead best interest to rest in peace.
We decided they needed to go to the light.
Over the years we have decided a lot of things
It is only fair to believe that we would of had to make some mistakes along the way. Why did are Government not want to buy Thomas A.Edison ballot box. Because it worked too good. Why did the President make jokes about Edison idea about communicating with the dead? Why would you not want to support Edison on such a possibility? Here is one of the Worlds Greatest inventors, saying it is possible to communicate with the dead, and then you have our Government. The ones were elected for office, by the voters.

Why did the President at the time only made jokes about the possibility?

Was it political?

Maybe he did not want the public in on this, so he made fun of the idea, while our Government studied it more. If that was the case. Then there should be some type of file on it some where.

Did he make fun of the idea, because he had something to hide from his past?

We can only speculate, but the fact still remains. One of the Worlds Greatest inventors. Said that communicating with the dead is possible.

If you take the time to analyze what he is saying, then you see a bigger picture on this as well.

Edison was also saying that people don't die after death.

Now how would he know that, unless he had already compiled some hard data.

Did he have an out of body experience at some point in his life?

I believe a lot of people hear, what they want to hear.

Regardless what facts are placed in front of them.

Here we have Thomas A. Edison. Claiming exactly the same thing I am claiming.

Why would he do such a thing.

Why would he public ally announce it?

How did people take it at that time?

Did they get scared.

Did they complain to our President, and he tried to laugh it all away?

I believe this was that moment of truth time, when he public ally announced that he believed that we could communicate with the dead.

Why am I making such a big deal about Thomas A. Edison?

Because he was me in his time. He had a lot of advantages that I don't have.

He had a good track record inventions, and people look up to him in his day.

I have only invented a few things, and I am a nobody to the masses.

Could I ever be better than Thomas A. Edison?

Could you ever be better as an inventor, than Thomas A. Edison?

Why is it so easy for some to devalue his thoughts on believing in communicating with the dead.

Take it for what it is worth, but there are only two people that I have ever known. That has ever brought up my idea concept. Thomas A. Edison and me.

Is it not in the wiring of anybody else?

People claim they want references, and then you give them somebody like Thomas A. Edison, and What do they have that is better?

He claimed he would not build anything, if he did not feel he could sell it.

Why would a President make fun of what Edison was trying to sell?

Please fill free and list all the different ways you can make fun of this possibility.

Imagine you are the President, and you just heard that Thomas A. Edison had just announced that it was possible to communicate with afterlife.

Later that day, you decide to have a press conference, and you just can't wait to make fun of him wanting to do this.

Why would you joke about the possibility in public?

Why would you not want to buy a ballot box that works too good?

So many unanswered questions on so many different levels.

Was that the day the music died?

What is wrong wanting to communicate with the dead?


Are you not aware that one day you will be dead?

What if I am right, and you come back as I believe you will.

What are the chances of that?

We could speculate that it happens after your body is dead.

We know going in, that it is a one shot deal. Once you are gone, then you are gone.

We decided that, with what we had to work with at the time.

Now if you rewind your life back to the time that you had an out of body experience, then you can see one other possibility.

Now before I started this journey. I did not know about Edison, or any of the other stuff.

I had a calling to do this, just like Edison did.

There is no records showing how Edison planned on doing it, but there is a lot on mine.

Did I forget to mention that my idea concept is free.

It is free to do!

People today want to know the truth!

People today can handle anything

People want a change!

I offer the truth,

I offer true change

There will be plenty to go around.

In ten days the voters will pick their next President

What if there is something to what I am saying?

What if I do get it?

Why would you be hoping that I don't get it?

Is it that hard to believe?

Edison believed it.

Why would my inner thoughts want us to do this idea concept so badly?

Because it knows that we like to procrastinate.

Nobody is saying that you have to believe that it just might be possible that you will have this type of afterlife.

Floating around like medium Liza Williams believes you do. Now some might feel she is just trying to trick us, but to believe that Edison would do that is hard to believe. there are some people who would like to make some people believe that out of body experiences are just real good dreams every time some body has one in a near death situation. What are the odds they could be so lucky. How long were they dead?

Now they claim that nobody comes back from the dead, but out of body experience people do.

This is where the out of body experience crosses over death.

It brings up one good question.

If you were still in your out of body state, and did not come back. Would you not still be in that out of body experience.

It would go something like this:

I'm floating, I'm dying, I'm floating. I'm dying, I go back in my body, and now I am living again.

What is the longest out of body state ever recorded?

Some seam more concern about sports records, than attempts at trying my idea concept.

My topic covers it all,

What are angels?

Out of body afterlife people

What are evil spirits?

Out of body afterlife people

Records are meant to be broken regardless if it is in sports, or in the private sector, or as a hobby like me.

They say if you dream it, we can do it.

There is no limit to what man or woman is capable of, once they place their minds to it.

I believe one reason my body hurts more than others, is because I have felt what it is like to be out of it.

I believe that everybody should have the mentality that they will have an out of body experience at some point in their life.

10 or 20% of all people on this Earth will have an out of body experience at some point in their life. There will be millions and millions of them.

Expect the worst, and the worst will never come.

I will save you a lot of time in that area, just by allowing me to try my free idea concept.

Thank you for reading my invisible thoughts.

tim484848

[TjW]

Take it for what it is worth, but there are only two people that I have ever known. That has ever brought up my idea concept. Thomas A. Edison and me.


You must be a lot older than I thought, if you knew Thomas Edison.

[Tim4848]

You must be a lot older than I thought, if you knew Thomas Edison.

I only know him through what I read, seen, or heard.

[TjW]

The same could be said for your knowledge of physics. And look how that turned out.

[Tim4848]

The same could be said for your knowledge of physics. And look how that turned out.

What do you mean?

Please fill free to explain?

[Akhenaten]

It's just a filling that most of us have.

[Darat]

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