The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

My name is Tim Brewer, and you can find out all about this topic by checking it out on the INTERNET, under the name of this topic. After you do that,


Please feel free to make comments or ask questions about the topic; that is the sole purpose of this post, to interact more about it.


Thank you,
Tim

[Tanstaafl]

Ah! I was wrong!


But I'm still confused. Communicate with future out of body people?

I have no idea what this means, but I'm starting to be intruiged.

[wollery]

One question.

What the heck is electrical thought?

[Tim4848]

Dear Tanstaafl,

Everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time, and this topic is no different.

Let me give you the quick version.

They say that ten percent of people will have an OBE at some point in their lifetime. My goal is to try and get people you up to speed on all the positive possibilities of exploring this topic even closer, maybe even to the point that it will help our economy in years to come.

Imagine that your life and experiences so far, was no bigger than a leaf at the end of a branch on a big tree. Now also imagine that my experiences are no bigger than another branch on the other side of the tree, now we need to bond, and get over the comprehend thing. I want us to start to see what can happen when you place Christmas lights all over the tree.

I am only as good as the people I have to work with, and I hope that is you.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Good question Wollery and athon,

Even though Scientist do not know what is in electric, we all function with electrical thought. I love to visualize solutions with my right brain, and analyze results and ask more questions with my left brain.

Scientist claim, that energy can not be made, or destroyed, it can only change form.

I will be glad to slow down and go over everything line by line with you, but I also want you to know, that I posted on other sites today how you could win the million dollar challenge, so if that kind of thing interests you, I just thought you would like to know.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Good question Strimmer, I would be more than glad to post my topic about winning the million-dollar challenge if you like, but that is up to you.

I am not here to assume what happens to you in an OBE state, that will come in time when we communicate with future out of body people.

I am saying that I was still having the same electrical thoughts in my OBE, as I have when I am in my human body, and if we know that we have a machine like brainGate, that has prove it can communicate with electrical thought, then why not try that option.

we already have patients for the machine, we already have a working machine, and we know that we Will not live forever, so why not planned for the possibility.
If out of body afterlife people are capable of going to a sensor, and communicating just like I am now, then the economy would have no choice, but to grow on the potential volume alone.

Example: You might have a cell phone provider now, in the future you might have an afterlife time share communication provider.

They say on average, that 250,000 people die everyday on this earth, even if we waited 150 years to get this technology started, we would have to have a network in place to handle billions.

Some patients have already been trained on this Brain Gate machine, and have died of other reasons, not associated with the machine, but do you really think they thought outside of the box,. that somebody who has already been trained on this machine, just might of wanted one more chance after they died.

Thank you,
Tim

[Apathia]

Tim,

You can't post links yet, so I hope you don't mind.

http://brainmeta.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17291

Another: http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2271987
(Some neat responses at the SciFi Forums.)

[Oualawouzou]

6 posts and I *still* can't tell what you're talking about...

How about a clear and concise post, of the form "this is what I can do, this is how I can prove the success of it"?

[EHLO]

Seriously Tim, if you could demonstrably distinguish between and OBE and a dream or hallucination then you could easily snap up the million dollar prize and use it to monopolise Brain Gate technology and become the Bill Gates of afterlife time share communication provision.

So, step 1: Demonstrate OBE as a *real* (ie. consciousness leaving the body) phenomena.

[Tim4848]

Dear Hyparxis,

Please fill free to check me out this week, I am usually off work on Sunday and Monday, but I try and answer as many questions as I can, even through the week. If it is a good question, I sleep on it until the week end and try and answer it better at that time.

You should check out the Museum of Hoaxes, they are real tough on me there.

Thank you,
Tim

[athon]

Even though Scientist do not know what is in electric, we all function with electrical thought..

We know quite well what electricity is. It's the movement of a charge through a medium. That's more or less what I was saying before; science is the process of working through the sort of questions you're proposing. While your inquiry is a good one, you do need to pay attention to the ground others have already covered.

Secondly, our nervous system does communicate through 'waves' of moving charges (also known as an action potential). A little different to what people normally call 'electricity', as such, which is normally what we describe the movement of electrons through a conductor.

I will be glad to slow down and go over everything line by line with you, but I also want you to know, that I posted on other sites today how you could win the million dollar challenge, so if that kind of thing interests you, I just thought you would like to know.

We always like discussing things like this, but only if you're prepared to make this a two way discourse, and are willing to understand that many people here have a good understanding of science.

I am saying that I was still having the same electrical thoughts in my OBE, as I have when I am in my human body, and if we know that we have a machine like brainGate, that has prove it can communicate with electrical thought, then why not try that option.

From what you say here, you're starting with the assumption that an OBE is just that; something that occurs when the mind no longer occurs within the physical confines of a body. Hence to go further, the validity of this assumption must be addressed.

This is the core of your claim, I feel. Not the question of potentially communicating with future OBE's (it's called 'begging the question').

Athon

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

OBEs are a fascinating subject. That said, all we have to think about them are mere anecdotes. There is not a single piece of data, much less scientifical evidence to support the phenomenon as real (in the sense of something like a "self" that is able to perceive and exist in a different place than a brain).

Sorry.

[Tim4848]

Dear Ehlo, I am spilling my guts over here, the least you can do is tell us about your interest. I am one of the one percent that can beat Chess Master.

I have beaten a state champion at pool many times, and I love to analyze the game.

All my thoughts come to me natural, I don't even know my moms phone number, but I know how to get it.

I once was Vice President for a Financial company, before leaving to focus on this topic. Now I have a job that I don't have to take home with me.

I believe that most movies try to teach you something, and if you have watched as many movies as I have, you start to connect the dots, and that is where my this topic could begin.

I was told last week by my parents that I had past out, when I was only one week old. I do not know if that was an OBE or not, we will probably never know.

i love to doodle with straight lines going toward the north, seeing shadows along th lines, because I am not wearing my glasses, drawing inside those lines, until I have covered the entire piece of paper with straight line doodling, then I like to look at the 3-d pictures inside my doodling. I don't know if I explained that well, you really should see some of the drawings.

Ever since I started this quest, I try and write down as many thoughts as I can on this topic. I could go on for ever.

Question:

If I ran a car into the side of another web site for example, and then I came over to your web site, and told you about it, should I have to drive a car into your web site as well, when you could have just as easy went over to that other site and check out the damage. This topic has been down the street a few times, and now it needs to try out the highway.

I believe I am an introvert, but I also believe this topic is too important, to keep hidden in the closet any longer.

Thomas Edison believed it was possible, but he would not build anything unless he could sell it. My goal is to sell it, because most people think th worst, so it is only natural hat they would see potential negative in my topic, but if they take the time to explore it, they will surely find, this is the right direction to go at this point in our history.

Thank you for listening to my thoughts,
Tim

[Apathia]

Dear Hyparxis,

Please fill free to check me out this week, I am usually off work on Sunday and Monday, but I try and answer as many questions as I can, even through the week. If it is a good question, I sleep on it until the week end and try and answer it better at that time.

You should check out the Museum of Hoaxes, they are real tough on me there.

Thank you,
Tim

As one of ours would say, "Interesting."
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/3528/

[Tim4848]

Scientist do not know what is inside electric, and electric is an energy that can not be made or destroyed, it can only change form, do you remember when you was just a sperm, I'm thinking changes energy then. OBE, I am thinking change energy here. Wet dream, not focus on my energy at the time, and we didn't talk about that either.

Thank you,
Tim

[athon]

Scientist do not know what is inside electric, and electric is an energy that can not be made or destroyed, it can only change form, do you remember when you was just a sperm, I'm thinking changes energy then. OBE, I am thinking change energy here. Wet dream, not focus on my energy at the time, and we didn't talk about that either.

Thank you,
Tim

Can ask if English is your first language? I'm not saying that to be rude, however your communication is proving difficult to understand.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'inside' electricity. Energy is a description of the capacity something has to do work. In other words, it's what makes things happen. It's not a 'thing' as such, but rather a measurement of change, if you like. Hence there is no 'inside' of electricty; electricty is the term given to the movement of a charge. It describes that change, of charges going from one place to another.

At this point I think you don't really understand the concept of energy, and are using what little you do know to speculate.

You say you worked in finance. Well, it's a bit like a child speculating on the fact it could buy a house in two weeks with his five-dollar a week pocket money, thinking it has a strong understanding of finance. You'd do your best to explain how finance works.

Well, your understanding of science is a bit like a five year old's understanding of how an economy works.

Athon

[EHLO]

Hi Tim, we all have our delusions - mine was thinking that I could understand what you were on about. I see now that I was mistaken.

Good luck with your quest.

[Apathia]

Tim,

I've read your posts over at Museum of Hoaxes.
I'm going to make a friendly suggestion:
You need some Science understanding under your belt. Back up and bone up on some General Physics. You are having a fundamental misunderstanding of what Brain Gate does and proposes to do.

Your previous post shows a fundamental ignorance about electricity as well.
So much so that I'm tempted to think that you are just spamming and trolling.

Anyway, I've said my thing. I won't nag you from here on. Others will do that.

[Tim4848]

Good question Bodhi Dharma Zen.

Let's check out the crime scene for a minute.

Any machine used, while they are having an OBE, shows that their brain is not having any electrical activity.

All OBE people, 100%, that they are having electrical thoughts or dreams about OBE's.

What is the odds that so many Near death experience people, all would have the same dream, when in that state, that would almost be as over whelming as every man, having wet dreams, when puberty hits.

Where could this electrical thought be hiding at?, well let's try the invisible force.

How could it survive? How does a micro like SARS11 survive?, on the electric in atoms.

Why has nobody ever noticed them before? Einstein noticed them, but he was not willing to throw the dice where the dice always go, when it pertains to free will. OBE people would have he same capabilities as those atom that did not behave the way Einstein believed they should.

They say that everything has been said before, but I am the first person to ever post this topic before, so it is just as possible, that this topic has not really got the full treatment of what goes around comes around yet.

How can you get evidence, when you don't get the patient the correct test to begin with.
If they want a sample, like they do with every other study, then they need to put the correct tools in place.

You can build the best stress test in the world, but you won't get results, until the patient starts running.


Thank you for listening to my thoughts,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Good thoughts athon,

Where do you get your fact, that there is no inside to electric. I would like to see that information for my self. Who through out history has prov-en that there is nothing inside electricity. Life and electric is best described by movement, and all things on earth is made up of electric. Your electrical thoughts is always trying to take you away from perceived pain, such as my topic, to expected pleasure, from the way you were brought up.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

Please fill free to explain why you do not believe BrainGate will work.

That is like saying, if you don't know everything, you will never be able to create a new vacuum cleaner atachment.

My goal is not to be to good in any field, because that is not my position in this field, but to be a consultant. I do the one percent inspiration, and others make it happen. This is also another area that will help the economy as well.

Just think about all the policies and procedures that would have to go into place, before the first privledge out of body afterlife connection is made.

You know, even though I live in Dayton the home of the Wright Brothers, I am still amazed, when I see this big plane fly over my head.

Thank you for your input,
Tim




Thank you,
Tim

[Skeptic Guy]

"The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities"?

Down the hall, make a right, 100 feet and it's right next door to the "Ministry of Silly Walks".

Good day!

Serioulsy though, you realize that there is no evidence of "OBE"s, right? I think you would have to show evidence of that before going any further.

And perhaps you can show where you got this data?


All OBE people, 100%, that they are having electrical thoughts or dreams about OBE's.

[strimmer]

Now i am still not sure how this out of body experience machine is supposed to work, but i have a hunch that it doesn't.

tim4848 have you had any successful tests with his machine???

to my knowledge studys on out of body experience have come up with nothing, which would be expected because evidence shows that there is no out of body conciseness.

tim4848 you have put a lot on your plate. for your machine to work you would have to explain a lot of things. the dualist nature of reality, how ones out of body thoughts can communicate with another from the past present or future, and how your going to be able to communicate all these through a machine

[EHLO]

Tim, BrainGate is a *real* technology that demonstrably works as a (basic) neural interface for *real* people.

You are speculating that;

OBEs and NDEs are *real*
During an OBE/NDE the subject still exhibits neural activity and
Brain Gate could detect this activity and act as a communication device.


Your problems start at 1.


(Yes I do have better things to do)

[wollery]

Any machine used, while they are having an OBE, shows that their brain is not having any electrical activity.Evidence?

All OBE people, 100%, that they are having electrical thoughts or dreams about OBE's.Can we just accept that all thoughts and dreams are due to electrical impulses between the brain's neurons. So can we drop the word electrical. It's not required, and is mildly annoying.

What is the odds that so many Near death experience people, all would have the same dream, when in that state, that would almost be as over whelming as every man, having wet dreams, when puberty hits. The odds are quite good, since the scientific explanation is that it is part of the process of the brain shutting down, which should be go through a similar sequence for all people.

Where could this electrical thought be hiding at?, well let's try the invisible force.Hiding? Which invisible force?

How could it survive?Survive what?

How does a micro like SARS11 survive?, on the electric in atoms. SARS is a virus, we know what it looks like, and it's a LOT bigger than an atom.

Why has nobody ever noticed them before? Einstein noticed them, Wow, way to contradict yourself!

but he was not willing to throw the dice where the dice always go, when it pertains to free will. I have no idea if that means anything.

OBE people would have he same capabilities as those atom that did not behave the way Einstein believed they should.Oh dear, did you really just invoke quantum mechanics?

They say that everything has been said before, but I am the first person to ever post this topic before, so it is just as possible, that this topic has not really got the full treatment of what goes around comes around yet.On the contrary, OBEs have been discussed here many times. Check out Lightcreatedlife@hom's 51 page thread!

How can you get evidence, when you don't get the patient the correct test to begin with. And which test would that be?

If they want a sample, like they do with every other study, then they need to put the correct tools in place.Which tools?

You can build the best stress test in the world, but you won't get results, until the patient starts running.Yes, true. So?

Thank you for listening to my thoughts,
TimAnytime.

[athon]

Good thoughts athon,

Where do you get your fact, that there is no inside to electric.

Because this is a meaningless statement. It's like saying 'what is inside talking?'. Talking is the description of an action, not an actual thing. It's why people here are suggesting you need to have a better understanding of the fundamentals of science.

Life and electric is best described by movement, and all things on earth is made up of electric.

Again, electricity describes a moving charge. Nothing is made of electricity as such.

Your electrical thoughts is always trying to take you away from perceived pain, such as my topic...

Hehe. Well, at least you have a sense of humour.

Please try to address some of the points made here. They might save you from wasting a lot of your time and effort on something fruitless.

Athon

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Tim, it would be REALLY helpful if you find someone who helps you to translate concepts like "electrical thoughts". Its simply impossible to understand you.

[Brian Jackson]

Question:

If I ran a car into the side of another web site for example, and then I...

'Nuff said. Talk to this (http://www.timecube.com) guy.

[Tim4848]

Tim Brewer,

Thank you for your interest in the James Randi Educational Foundation's Million Dollar Challenge!

I'm afraid that forums do not qualify as a media presence, and I suggest that you contact your local newspaper or television news network to request an interview of some kind. Only just a couple of nights ago, there was a man on the news here who could hula hoop underwater, and I'm quite sure that psychic abilities would be even more interesting to the media than that.

When you have established a media presence of some kind and fulfilled the other qualifications on the JREF's web site you will include the workable protocol in addition to the SASE and notarized application form.

I hope this is helpful, and let me know if you need any more information regarding the Challenge!

Sincerely,

JREF Challenge Desk

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

I will be glad to answer all your questions in due time.

First I have to take my daughter to the store and get cake mix for a school project.

Thank you,
Tim

[vIQleS]

Good thoughts athon,

Where do you get your fact, that there is no inside to electric. I would like to see that information for my self. Who through out history has prov-en that there is nothing inside electricity. Life and electric is best described by movement, and all things on earth is made up of electric. Your electrical thoughts is always trying to take you away from perceived pain, such as my topic, to expected pleasure, from the way you were brought up.

Thank you,
Tim

I think you need to check your translation software, 'Electric' is not the word you want here. Electric clearly doesn't mean what you think it means.

What's your first language? Perhaps we can find someone who can help you translate...

[Tim4848]

Hmm.

1) Genius who can beat chess masters and champion pool players.
2) Executive of large company.
3) Compares himself to Edison.
4) Compares himself to Einstein.
5) Quantum mechanics.
6) Altrusitic intentions of "helping" us all realise the truth.

What's the website to score all this again?
To whom it may concern,

I once heard, that if you stick a lobster in a bucket of water, you better put a lid on the bucket, or the lobster will climb out of the bucket, but if you stick another lobster in the bucket, you don't need a lid, because one of the lobsters will always pull the other on down.

This topic is about positive possibilities, I would be more than glad to start a topic on The Department of Negative Out of Body Possibilities.

The reason I say this is quite clear, no scientist has ever came out and said, that it is not possible, so until the day that is the case, this possibility could go either way. I honestly believe it is possible, covering one side of the coin, and i truly understand if you don't think it is possible, I truly understand, but this stand still is doing nothing but using up good time.

150 years from now, we will all be gone, and then other more advance people than us, will be thinking about this topic, they might find this old topic in the archives, and look how we are handling this topic, are they going to see a balance discussion, are they going to see anything come of it, what are they going to see?

I would like to think they are going to read about some people, that are open minded to other possibilities.

I plan on answering all past replies when time permits.

Everything in life consist of pain or pleasure

Everything in life is either going forward or backward

positive or negative

right direction, wrong direction

All mind maps are as endless as pie, and everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern, I will be more than glad to try a mock experiment.

I will get my big screen TV fixed

I will buy an eye camera for my computer

I will buy a new battery for my device and dust it off.

I will put everything in place, like I was going to do in the challenge and let you see for yourself, and after I do it, I will be glad to mail the device to you, and let you do it as well. This would be good practice, since the afterlife would have to travel to any contest anyway.

Thank you for listening to my thoughts,

Tim

[EHLO]

You have a "device"? Perhaps you could start by just telling us what it is, and what it does as I'm sure I'm not the only one still rather confused.

[wollery]

This topic is about positive possibilities, I would be more than glad to start a topic on The Department of Negative Out of Body Possibilities.

The reason I say this is quite clear, no scientist has ever came out and said, that it is not possible, so until the day that is the case, this possibility could go either way. I honestly believe it is possible, covering one side of the coin, and i truly understand if you don't think it is possible, I truly understand, but this stand still is doing nothing but using up good time.I don't think anybody here has said it isn't possible, although some (including me) have offered mundane explanations. We've simply asked you to clear up some of your points, to explain what you mean, and how your device works.

[vIQleS]

I've just finished reading the thread on hoax museum - and as far as I can tell, he has seen this device:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrainGate

Which seems to be a real and normal scientific breakthrough. (And totally cool - I'm trying to find where I can sign up for the waiting list.)

He plans to use this device to communicate with people who are having an OBE - that is using the machine to detect the presence of the 'spirit' or whatever. (presumably because it can detect the electric current in a living brain and "converts the intention of the user into computer commands")

The flaws in his plan are legion and have been thoroughly explained in simple terms, even in regards to the potential problems in applying for the MDC

Tim: have I correctly summerized your intentions? Perhaps you could elaborate (in a few simple, easy to comprehend statements)...

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern, this was the original post.

Thank ou for taking an interest.


Experiment for the challenge:

Regardless if they allow me or anybody else to try this challenge, this was the challenge I was going to try, and if you are interested in trying it as well, please fill free to read on.

You will need An Electronic Sensors lab kit from Radio Shack
The one I got is called Electronic Sensors Lab, and it was less than $60.00 dollars a couple of years ago. Make sure your kit has a touch sensor, and a green led light that come with it.

The workbook that I got with my kit was written By Forrest M. Mims III,
Here is a note in that workbook from him:

“You are about to enter the world of electronic sensors. It’s a fascinating place where you will experiment with electronic devices that respond to touch, pressure, magnetism, light, temperature, and rotation. When you build and experiment with the projects in the lab kit, you will have fun while learning how electronic circuits respond to the world around them. I hope you enjoy experimenting with these projects as much as I did designing them.”

After getting the kit, build the project that allows a green led flasher to responds to any type of contact with the touch sensor. Please do not touch the sensor at anytime with human skin, this could cause a micro experiment and not an afterlife one. The only exception to that would be if you are having no luck with afterlife communication, and you decide to try for micro communication, if that is the case, you are looking at a different challenge.

We are looking for advance thinking and action driven potential electrical thought out of body afterlife people that might be hanging out around you at any given time.

When I had my OBE, I could not hear and as far as I was aware, there was nobody trying to communicate with me in this way, so we have to expect this will be the case in this experiment as well.

The best way to do this that I have found, is posting signs that can be read from anybody, even people who can not see real good up close. I would suggest using a big screen TV as a monitor for your computer, and be willing to have your message for this experiment on there as much as possible. This message will read somewhat like a newspaper adds at first.

Have somebody view your monitor, and see if they can make heads or tells on what are trying to say, and what you want them to do. If your friend cannot follow your instructions, then don’t expect anybody else to be able to do it as well.

Now that you have your Radio Shack Electronic Sensors lab kit all set up correctly, your next goal is to get the word out to all afterlife that comes in contact with you over a curtain time frame, I would give that time frame about ninety days. My first contact with afterlife took twenty days.
Your communication to the afterlife should be so simple that a Geico cave man would be able to do it. We spend years trying to dig up old fragile stuff from the past; so I believe the least we can do is give this possibility the same respect and time it needs.

Just get the light to come on at anytime during the day at first, then build off of that. Make sure you are always thanking the afterlife person, they only know how things are going, by telling them how things are going with the experiment. If you are not good at listening to other people’s emotional needs, or people skils in general, then this experiment might not be right for you.
Hopefully you will be happy with your results, and it will help bring more attention to future positive afterlife possibilities.

Quick review:
Buy the touch sensitive kit from Radio Shack
Put it together correctly
Have a big screen monitor that can post big screen messages to people that cannot hear or might not be able to read small print.
You will be trying to a track educated out of body afterlife people that might come in contact with your monitor message.
Your messages will explain what you are trying to accomplish, and what you need them to do, if they are interested in doing it.
In form them in writing what you want them to do, and then see if they have the ability to do that, by measuring results on your kit.

A standard experiment for the challenge:
Getting a light to come on this devise, with no help from an object that you are aware of
Getting the light to come on during an agreed planned hour.
Getting the light to flicker at different sequence times within that hour.
Getting the light to stop coming on after that hour

Example; Getting it to light up every twelve seconds, then getting it to change that sequence to five seconds one time, then back to the twelve seconds cycle again. I believe just getting it to come on and end during this agreed time frame is good enough, but to change the sequence of the response, should be enough proof, that you are seriously interacting with something that has the ability to be educated in some manner.
If you got the and patience to teach them how to do the Morse code, then by all means, take the time to do that, but my goal is we use other things like Brain Gate, for that type of communication.

I hope you have as much success with this kit as I have, but if that does not turn out to be the case, then I am truly sorry for wasting your time.

Thank you,
Tim

[strathmeyer]

Tim, I have had out of body experiences. In fact, with a bit of luck, patience, and hard work, I can induce them. What does your product mean for people like me?

[Apathia]

Tim, I have had out of body experiences. In fact, with a bit of luck, patience, and hard work, I can induce them. What does your product mean for people like me?

I thought he was selling a product at first, so I called him a spammer.
But actually BrainGate is nothing of his own.
As vIQleS points out, he assume sthat since the device can respond to and use electrical activity in the brain, it can pick up mind activity whan the mind is out of the brain on an astral journey.

Apart from that he has his proposed experiment in last post, which is essentailly to get the attention of a departed spirit of someone doing an out of the body, so that they can effect various sensors and in that way communicate.

He assumes there is an astral or spirit body apart from the physical one, that can effect instruments.

So, conduct a seance. And instead of having the spirit play a toy trumpet, get it to mess with electronic equipment.

[Brian Jackson]

Might I propose as a challenge:

Mount a small shelf above the headboard of your bed, higher than eye-level when standing. Every night pick a playing card at random and place it face up on the shelf, without seeing it. If you are truly having an OBE, you should be able to view the card during sleep. If you can successfully identify the card when you wake up, this might warrant further study.

I actually tried this during my lucid dream experiments just to rule out the possibility. Needless to say I don't believe in OBEs, but that's not to say they cannot happen. I've just not seen, nor experienced, any evidence thus far.

[Tim4848]

Good question Strathmeyer,

The device I talk about above your reply, won't do anything for you or anybody else, but I hope a modified machine like BrainGate might.

Do you believe when you have OBE's, that they seam real or do you believe they are dreams?

The reason I ask this, is because I have never read anywhere of a person having multiple OBE's as saying that those seamed real.

also do you believe when you are having them, that you are mostly experiencing them from your right side of the brain, the left, both, or just like you do while you are a wake?

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

I don't know if the BrainGate thing will work or not, i just see a close connection of both topic's, that I honestly feel it is worth exploring.


We already have the machine

We already have the patients using the machine for other activities, why not take it to the next level and see what happens, what could it possibly hurt.

If it don't work, feel free to blame it on me, I will be more than glad to take all responsibility, if it does not work.

Thank you,
Tim

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Do you believe when you have OBE's, that they seam real or do you believe they are dreams?

Brian Jackson tells you about a good experiment that you might want to try, it will confirm that you are indeed "out of your body" or just having a lucid dream. Im a good lucid dreamer, I have at least three or four every week. Some of them are as realistic as you can imagine, even giving me the sensation that Im awake, in "the real world" (so to speak).

I can just talk for myself, but I do believe that OBE's are lucid dreams, in which the dreamer is so awake and perceiving things as he/she perceives them in their waking life. A possible conclusion is that, because it seems MUCH MORE REAL than "just" a dream... they should be out of their bodies.

I would love to see that OBE's are real, but so far we have just anecdotes, nothing more.

[Tim4848]

Brian Jackson tells you about a good experiment that you might want to try, it will confirm that you are indeed "out of your body" or just having a lucid dream. Im a good lucid dreamer, I have at least three or four every week. Some of them are as realistic as you can imagine, even giving me the sensation that Im awake, in "the real world" (so to speak).

I can just talk for myself, but I do believe that OBE's are lucid dreams, in which the dreamer is so awake and perceiving things as he/she perceives them in their waking life. A possible conclusion is that, because it seems MUCH MORE REAL than "just" a dream... they should be out of their bodies.

I would love to see that OBE's are real, but so far we have just anecdotes, nothing more.
Thank you Bodhi Dharma Zen for that input,

What type of feeling did you experience leaving your body and what type of experience did you feel going back into your body?

Why do you feel doctors can not record any electrical activity in the brain of near death out of body people. One report shows the brain is dead, some people have experience this all the way to the morgue, just to be awaken, as they start to cut them open, and then after the person has shown no signs of getting oxygen to the brain, they come back from this experience, maybe even smarter than they were, before they had the unexpected experience.

Some research has shown that kids who have experience an OBE, test afterwords at levels of geniuses. That is one powerful dream.

Thank you once again for your input, and please fill free to respond even more. That is the purpose of this topic.

Thank you,
Tim

[Loss Leader]

That's alls I can stands and I can't stands no more.


One report shows the brain is dead, some people have experience this all the way to the morgue, just to be awaken, as they start to cut them open, and then after the person has shown no signs of getting oxygen to the brain, they come back from this experience, maybe even smarter than they were, before they had the unexpected experience.


What report is this? Where can I get a copy?

What evidence do you have that a person survived the start of an autopsy and became smarter?


Some research has shown that kids who have experience an OBE, test afterwords at levels of geniuses.


What research is this? Please describe where I can read a copy of the papers. Please provide the names of the researchers, the institutions doing the research and the years the research was done. Please describe how the researchers verified the children had actually had out of body experiences. Please describe how the researchers verified that the children tested as geniuses. Please describe how the researchers verified that the increase in intelligence was not explainable other than as being due to the OBEs. Please name the children in the experiments.

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

What type of feeling did you experience leaving your body and what type of experience did you feel going back into your body?

I have never being "out of my body" (that said, Im not inside the body, but thats complicated and not relevant to this particular discussion). I have Lucid Dreams, a whole different thing.

Lucid Dreams are dreams in which you realize that you are DREAMING and not in your waking state. They can be felt as the real thing (meaning our world) in every perceptual way you can imagine. But they are DREAMS, with no connection whatsoever with the waking life.

I was merely pointing out that, being a Lucid Dreamer, I can understand why some people could get confused and think that they are actually having an OBE instead of a dream. Thats all.

[Oualawouzou]

What type of feeling did you experience leaving your body and what type of experience did you feel going back into your body?

Reality isn't based on feelings but on facts.

It doesn't matter how it "feels". If you cannot retrieve information while experiencing an OBE (see the card-on-top-of-a-shelf experiment above for a good example of an easy to set-up, easy to test experiment), then it doesn't matter how real it "feels". It's still nothing to write home about.

[Tim4848]

Read this one for now and I will get more.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Thank you,
Tim

[athon]

Read this one for now and I will get more.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Thank you,
Tim

Tim, this web site is full of what we call 'anecdotes'. While this person is not necessarily lying, it is little more than a collection of stories he has collected. There is no objectivity, no critical analysis...nothing. Do you need us to explain why this does not serve adequately as evidence for an issue like OBE's?

Now, you need to provide some sort of objective analysis supporting the following points:

1) OBE's are a function of the mind external to the body. This could be demonstrated by an experiment as one suggested earlier, where under controlled conditions the individual can observe something they could not observe should they still be in their body.

2) An ECG reading showing zero activity while a person demonstrates under controlled conditions that they were actually aware during this period. This is not as easy as you think - just 'remembering' that period is not enough, as there is no guarentee that this memory was formed during the so-called dead period.

Once you have something substantial supporting at least one of these, if not both, then you can move on to ways of communicating with such entities.

Athon

[Tim4848]

I hope to have that information about people getting smarter, after having an OBE with in the next three days.

My ultimate goal is to get an opportunity to help engineer a way of modifying a machine like BrainGate to be able to give you the facts you want, but that is not my call to make.

It always come down to having the correct tools, or at least tools that can be modified to be tools.

Example, it is hard at night to see night crawlers, frogs, or even deer with out a flash light. I can tell you that they are out there, but having he tools makes it a lot easier.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,

This is a link that might help some parent get smarter kids.

http://www.thepsychictimes.com/articles/atwater.htm

Thank you,
Tim

[Skeptic Guy]

I hope to have that information about people getting smarter, after having an OBE with in the next three days.

My ultimate goal is to get an opportunity to help engineer a way of modifying a machine like BrainGate to be able to give you the facts you want, but that is not my call to make.

It always come down to having the correct tools, or at least tools that can be modified to be tools.

Example, it is hard at night to see night crawlers, frogs, or even deer with out a flash light. I can tell you that they are out there, but having he tools makes it a lot easier.

Thank you,
Tim

First, you would have to have an idea as to what to do with the tool, right or otherwise, and I don't think you have a firm idea as to what you are trying to do.

[knot]

Google ranks by how many big sites link to your site.

Anyway, astral projection is all in your head.

[Loss Leader]

Read this one for now and I will get more.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence10.html

Thank you,
Tim


Tim -
This site claims to tell the story of George Rodonaia. He claimed to have a near death experience in the 1970s in Russia. However, the only evidence on this site or any other I have looked at about this man comes from his own words. I have seen no objective evidence that what he said about himself is in any way true.

Do you have a newspaper that recounts his story at the time it happened? A newspaper in his hometown that says, "Man comes back to life after being presumed dead for three days" would at least be a start.

Otherwise, we have no reason to think that this ever even occurred.

For instance, last night I met a man from Mars and he looked very sad. He said, "Won't you help me find my girlfriend, please?" So I asked him, "What does she look like?" and the man from Mars said that she's ... eight foot two, solid blue, five trasnistors on each shoe.

My story is exactly as credible as George Rodonaia. If you have evidence that he is telling the truth, please present it. Otherwise, please tell everyone about my experience with the man from Mars.

[Loss Leader]

To whom it may concern,

This is a link that might help some parent get smarter kids.

http://www.thepsychictimes.com/articles/atwater.htm

Thank you,
Tim


Tim -

If this is the "research" to which you have been referring, you really have to examine your definition of the word. This link is to an article repeating the claims of a woman named Dr. P.M.H. Atwater. Don't get too excited about the "Dr." part turns out to be an honorary Ph.D. Honorary. And it's not even a Ph.D. in a hard science. It's in "Therapeutic Counseling." And it's not even from a real university. It's from The Open International University for Complementary Medicines, Colombo, Sri Lanka. This "university" offers training in "HOLISTIC & ALTERNATIVE Therapies, eg, SPA, Aqua, SOL, AROMATHERAPY, REFLEXOLOGY, MASSAGE, ACUPRESSURE, SIATSU, Homeopathy." Why some of these are in all caps is anyone's guess. Here is their entire website (http://www.openinternationaluniversityforcomplementarymed icines.com/).

Atwater also claims to have a humanities doctorate from the International College of Spiritual and Psychic Studies (Spiritual Sciences Fellowship), Montreal, Canada. First of all, humanities pretty much means that she was not trained in any scientific method. Second, I can't find any association by this name.

"Dr." Atwater also lists her extensive publication history. It, of course, includes no respectable scientific journals.

Tim - you really need to examine whether there is any reason to believe this woman. Her training gives us no reason to believe she is capable of real scientific inquiry. Her statements don't help her case. In the article you cite, she states, "forty-eight percent of the children between the ages of birth and fifteen years that I had sessions with tested as genius (average IQ being 150-160) with no genetic markers to account for it."

No genetic markers? I would be fascinated to know what genetic markers she thinks there are to account for IQ in the first place. So would all of medical science. No researcher has ever isolated any bit of DNA that marks someone as a genius. Not only has this honorary therapeutic counselor found such a marker but she is using it regularly in her research.

Tim, for the sake of my sanity, try to evaluate the credentials of the people making these claims before you choose to believe them.

[calebprime]

Can ask if English is your first language? I'm not saying that to be rude, however your communication is proving difficult to understand.

Athon

To whom it may concern,

I will be glad to answer all your questions in due time.

First I have to take my daughter to the store and get cake mix for a school project.

Thank you,
Tim

Spammer, and I believe I even know who the suspect is.

It does have a familiar feel.

To whom it may concern,

I once heard, that if you stick a lobster in a bucket of water, you better put a lid on the bucket, or the lobster will climb out of the bucket, but if you stick another lobster in the bucket, you don't need a lid, because one of the lobsters will always pull the other on down.

This topic is about positive possibilities, I would be more than glad to start a topic on The Department of Negative Out of Body Possibilities.



I plan on answering all past replies when time permits.

Everything in life consist of pain or pleasure

Everything in life is either going forward or backward

positive or negative

right direction, wrong direction

All mind maps are as endless as pie, and everything in life takes it's allotted amount of time.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

To whom it may concern, I will be more than glad to try a mock experiment.

I will get my big screen TV fixed

I will buy an eye camera for my computer

I will buy a new battery for my device and dust it off.

I will put everything in place, like I was going to do in the challenge and let you see for yourself, and after I do it, I will be glad to mail the device to you, and let you do it as well. This would be good practice, since the afterlife would have to travel to any contest anyway.

Thank you for listening to my thoughts,

Tim


Can I have my pie and eat it too and not get fat?

Oh, that's the Pie-Hole machine. different.

Seriously, Tim. I have some of the same questions:

1) Is English your first language?
2) Do you also work with perpetual-motion toy cars?
3) Are you using a computer translator?
5) Have you ever heard of Dr. John? or other doctors?
4) R U Sirius?

People here will ask you serious questions, and then start to mock you if you don't admit to making mistakes. Admit your mistakes, or expect mockery.

caleb

[TX50]

I had a memorable OBE/lucid dream thingy once. Nodding off to sleep one
night I heard a buzzing sound in my ears and thought I was dying. For some
bizarre reason in the dream I felt the urge to tidy up my room a bit so my
body wouldn't be discovered among a heap of beer cans and plastic soda
bottles (don't ask...). In my lucid/OBE floating disembodied state I had
several goes at trying to "dive bomb" an empty 2 ltr Coca Cola bottle into the
trash bin from great height like an astral Stuka - before I crash landed and
suddenly woke up (and no; the coke bottle hadn't moved when I woke up). It
was a fun dream though!

One semi-serious point though. I often lucidly dream - often with the dreams
(subjectively) indistinguishable from real life. The litmus test within the dream
is if I can fly. If I can jump up and not come down then it's (probably) a
dream. Strangely I'm pretty sure I never experienced this until after I took up
SCUBA diving.

[Loss Leader]

One semi-serious point though. I often lucidly dream - often with the dreams (subjectively) indistinguishable from real life. The litmus test within the dream is if I can fly. If I can jump up and not come down then it's (probably) a dream. Strangely I'm pretty sure I never experienced this until after I took up SCUBA diving.



I've had good luck with a piece of advice from the movie "Waking Life." If the light switches don't work, I'm dreaming.

[Tim4848]

Good thought Loss Leader,

I went back and read some of the stuff again at

http://www.mkaku.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1076

These guys wrote some really good stuff about this topic!


Thank you,

Tim

[strathmeyer]

Do you believe when you have OBE's, that they seam real or do you believe they are dreams?

The reason I ask this, is because I have never read anywhere of a person having multiple OBE's as saying that those seamed real.

also do you believe when you are having them, that you are mostly experiencing them from your right side of the brain, the left, both, or just like you do while you are a wake?

Huh? They seem like real, dreamy out of body experiences to me. What does a fake one feel like? How would I tell what side of my brain I was experiencing them on? I didn't try any higher level cognitive function because I was having too good of a time.

[Taffer]

Scientist do not know what is inside electric, and electric is an energy that can not be made or destroyed, it can only change form, do you remember when you was just a sperm, I'm thinking changes energy then. OBE, I am thinking change energy here. Wet dream, not focus on my energy at the time, and we didn't talk about that either.

Thank you,
Tim

"Inside electric" is not a meaningful concept.

[knot]

I think this sums it up (http://wilstar.com/midi/twilzone.wav)

[Tim4848]

I have electrical thoughts everyday, using the resources of atoms, not concepts.

Example:

Take a block of wood in the shape of a Rubik cube.

How many places on that cube make contact with electrical atoms?

All of it, a count of atoms that is so high, that I would be beside myself to even try and add up.

Maybe there is no such thing as a fake OBE's

If we are going to make head way in a field that is as vast as this topic, maybe we need not be in such a hurry to equal it to only the concepts we already know, and work to find better ones.

thank you,
Tim

Thank you,
Tim

[athon]

Tim, have you read and considered anything anybody has said in this thread? Go back and find some of the questions and statements people have posted here in relation to your claims and try to answer them, as you're on the verge of not being taken seriously at all.

Athon

[wollery]

I have electrical thoughts everyday, using the resources of atoms, not concepts.All thoughts are due to the electric impulses between synapses in the brain. So the use of the word "electrical" is redundant when talking about thoughts.

Example:

Take a block of wood in the shape of a Rubik cube.

How many places on that cube make contact with electrical atoms?

All of it, a count of atoms that is so high, that I would be beside myself to even try and add up.All atoms have positive particles in their nuclei (protons) and negative charges in orbit around their nuclei (electrons), but in a block of wood the charges in the atoms are balanced, so the block has no net charge. It is also a very poor conductor of electricity. Did you have a point?

Maybe there is no such thing as a fake OBE'sAnd maybe there's no such thing as real OBEs.

If we are going to make head way in a field that is as vast as this topic, maybe we need not be in such a hurry to equal it to only the concepts we already know, and work to find better ones.And maybe we should investigate whether OBEs are real or not before we investigate how we can use them. If all you can offer are anecdotes from individuals about their own experiences then you have nothing to offer towards such research.

[Loss Leader]

If we are going to make head way in a field that is as vast as this topic, maybe we need not be in such a hurry to equal it to only the concepts we already know, and work to find better ones.


Your statement assumes there is a field to make headway in.

Prove that OBEs are real or prove that the afterlife exists and then we'll move on to considering what to do about it. After all, why work out plans to build a table if you have no wood?

[Oualawouzou]

I've had good luck with a piece of advice from the movie "Waking Life." If the light switches don't work, I'm dreaming.

Yeah, but usually, that's the start of a nightmare. :( Which is peculiar, since I'm not afraid of the dark... Fortunately, ever since I successfully got my stuffed animals to attack that pesky skeleton that always tried to kill me, I've been able to turn almost every nightmare into an exhilirating brawl with the bad guy du jour. :D To this day, the best fight remains that of me and my brother, armed only with a broom and a rake, vs a band of ninjas in a parking lot. Wee!

Personnally, I attempt telekinesis as a litmus test (it's surprisingly fun, btw). Though if I find myself suddenly surrounded by attractive, almost naked women for no apparent reason, I often forego the testing and go right into enjoying the dream. :p

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Yeah, but usually, that's the start of a nightmare. :( Which is peculiar, since I'm not afraid of the dark... Fortunately, ever since I successfully got my stuffed animals to attack that pesky skeleton that always tried to kill me, I've been able to turn almost every nightmare into an exhilirating brawl with the bad guy du jour. :D To this day, the best fight remains that of me and my brother, armed only with a broom and a rake, vs a band of ninjas in a parking lot. Wee!

Personnally, I attempt telekinesis as a litmus test (it's surprisingly fun, btw). Though if I find myself suddenly surrounded by attractive, almost naked women for no apparent reason, I often forego the testing and go right into enjoying the dream. :p

Exactly thats the kind of fun you can have in LD. I never have nightmares. Never ever. The moment something "bad" is happening I realize its a dream and I become god in that environment. Omnipotent, yeah, I know about that from experience ;)

[Taffer]

Exactly thats the kind of fun you can have in LD. I never have nightmares. Never ever. The moment something "bad" is happening I realize its a dream and I become god in that environment. Omnipotent, yeah, I know about that from experience ;)

I haven't had what I would call a nightmare in so many years. I think the last time I had on was in my early teens (I am now 22). My dreams tend to be rather... mundane. Occasionally I have really cool dreams, however, for example I once had a dream where I was fighting a zombie horde, only to be infected and become one of the zombies! :D

ETA: I have falling dreams a lot, though. I've had dreams where I've fallen out of aircraft, and other very high places. Often this is associated with the very uncomfortable sensation of falling. And I always land in my dreams. On my feet. Completely unharmed.

[hcmom]

because I do not have a good enough media presents...


But I'm still confused. Communicate with future out of body people?

Ok, I'm late to the game, as usual, but....

Yeah, I don't understand the future out of body people, and I REALLY don't get why he thinks he should be getting better gifts from the media. :halo:

[Tim4848]

To whom it is concern,

After reading the topic about "Oral sex linked to throat cancer" by Orangutan, I can see why some people might be frustrated at this point, but don't take it out on me. lol

I will make it my goal today to re-read past questions on this topic, and try my best to answer them as soon as I can, to the best of my ability at this time, but before I do that, I want to post this as well.

Let’s talk about what hope we do have now for afterlife to communicate with us now, if it is possible. Nothing, so if that is the case, I propose we start doing something, even it that something is very small.
Just to do something is still going to have it own challenges as well, but with a little effort, it can be over come.
Since most humans will find it hard to buy into something to complicated, I propose we keep it as simple as possible, but still leaving it open for results.

(Step 1)
We need a universal message, via- a light show on the radio Shack sensor, from a Morse code that could be understood by all parties involved.
Example S.O.S, might be easy, buy I am not sure on the consistency of the lights that would be displayed if that would be a good one.

Please feel free to put in your input on that part, especially if you are good at Morse code your self.

(Step 2)
Placing the device in a location that can be found by any human now, so if the event happens, and they do find them self in this situation, they will at least know where they will need to go, if they decide this is an option that they would like to try. we need to find a better location than my house. Any suggestions on that?

(Step 3)
The device must be monitored at all times and kept running at all times, in the event that all past monitor information must be reviewed by a human everyday, unless you have a easier way of doing that.
This is the best plan I know of at this time, while we try and make sense if this is possible or not at this time. The chiefs can argue about the possibilities for quite some times, but I believe we still need to think about the Indians.

How do you feel about this plan?

Thank you,
Tim

[Oualawouzou]

Instead of a code, wouldn't it be easier to set up any circuitry that would need to be activated at all? This removes the need for constant 24/24 7/7 monitoring. Simply get the spirit or whatever to turn on/off something that couldn't be turned on/off by other means.

[Tim4848]

----- Original Message -----From: Jeff Wagg, James Randi Educational Foundation
To: Tim Brewer ; Alison Smith
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Communications


I don't know what "advance thinking and action driven electrical thought out of body afterlife people" is or are.

Are you saying you can make the contact buzzer work without touching it?

Jeff Wagg
JREF

On 5/20/07, Tim Brewer <tbrewer003@woh.rr.com> wrote:Dear Jeff Wagg,
*It is not a buzzer, but a light that comes on,*and that is only because I have only tried it with a light, but I suppose you could set it up to be used with a buzzer as well, and yes, I have had it work before, I just didn't think you were concerned about past events with*my experiments, so I tried not to bring that up.Science base their input in the fact that energy can not be made, destroyed, it can only*change form, so with that being the case. I want to prove that humans after they die, do have the ability to contact us through devises like this, but it can only work if we can educate them first on this*possibility. I once watched**one of your challenges were*a man tried to prove that he could alter a compass with thought alone, I would like to think my challenge is better, just because it is based on the fact that I do not even have to be anywhere near the machine when it works the way I say it will work. I would like the opportunity to have a monitor near by, only as a way to continue to send messages to the afterlife, as instructional information only.**
Please feel free to ask more questions if you would like.*Thank you,Tim*
I'm not accepting anything, I just wanted to be clear on what your claim was. You may apply now, and if you meet the criteria, your claim will be accepted.

Jeff Wagg
JREF
Thank you Jeff Wagg,*I appreciate your help in this matter, and now I will start getting things in order to be in a position to meet the criteria, and the challenge as well.*Thank you,Tim

[hcmom]

I, for one, can hardly wait.

:halo:

[Tim4848]

Dear hcmom, thank you for your comment.

I like your profile page, do you think you could help me with my profile page.

Maybe you can show me how to find different pictures for it, since I do not have a camera.

Thank you hcmom once again for your positive input,
Tim

[Loss Leader]

Let’s talk about what hope we do have now for afterlife to communicate with us now, if it is possible. Nothing, so if that is the case, I propose we start doing something, even it that something is very small.


What possible reason could there be to start doing something without any actual knowledge that it could possibly work?

What you are saying is exactly the logical equivalent of: There is no scientific basis to believe that humans can fly. So I propose we start standing on steps and jumping off in an effort to fly. Even though there is no scientific reason why that should ever work, at least we would be doing something.

No dog in history has ever graduated medical school. So, let's put two dogs in each entering class at every accredited medical school in the US. Even though we have no evidence that dogs can be trained as doctors, this would be something small we could do just in case.

Can you provide any actual verifiable, repeatable information that OBEs or the afterlife are real before we spend any effort on your experiment?


How do you feel about this plan?


Nauseous.

[hcmom]

* hcmom is absolutely speechless...

[Tim4848]

We know we can not fly because science has proved that we are to heavy, and we don't train dogs because that is our choice, even though some do.

I understand what you are saying, just like if I believed wrong that smoking makes you live longer, that can be measured by statistics, but we have no statistics on afterlife, and science can not tell you if after life can fly, because they have no data, and they have no way of measuring it. We do know if they our previous human afterlife floating out there if it is nothing more than a mutation to DNA, I would have to think some form of energy might be able to do that, they might be smarter than dogs.

We make people stay focus on work all there lives,then when they retire we asked them about things that they have not thought about in years, and then when they can't remember it to good, we say that there mind is not sharp anymore, some of us has lost our signs as that comedian saids, and we start thinking we know it all, when we are assuming at best.

It amazes e how somebody who can not tell you the names of every micro on Earth, since we have not even found all of them yet, could be such an expert in an area that might be just as vast.

I would think the experts of science could build a good argument for my side just as well, when you throw in all the variables.

You might be sure with your OBE, but research has shown that every experience is different from different observers, and with my experience I am not so sure it was a dream.

We know that energy can't be destroyed, and we know the energy w started with is smaller than a sperm, and there is no reason to think that this energy that can not be destroyed, would ever have to get bigger, than it's original size, and we already know about all the potential of an atom to begin with, and I could go on and on where atoms do their own thing, only to seam altered when a wave comes into the picture.

All I am doing is taking a device that is going to be turned on, put big words around it for about 30 days, not nearly one percent of the time it would take a dog to make it through school, and see if I get a response, it I can not prove it to myself or somebody else I know before applying for the challenge, I will reevaluate the situation and decide at that time if I should continue or not.

right / wrong
positive / negative
good / bad
pain / pleasure
assume / know


If anything, we might find out more about what happens to this energy that can't be destroyed just because our body can.

I guess some people believe our body makes our energy and I believe it is just growing up and getting it balance just like riding a bike, until it is ready to go out on it's own.

Now if I am right, there is a lot of Afterlife that might feel the way I do, and all they need is one person just like the one person who helped Helen Keller get her balance as well, and thanks to people like that, we now respect the Helen Keller of the world.

Now if I am wrong, boy could I go on about a whole lot of nothing.

Thank you,
Tim

[Loss Leader]

We know we can not fly because science has proved that we are to heavy, ... I go on about a whole lot of nothing.

Thank you,
Tim


Absolute. Nonsense.

But look up a guy called LightCreatedLife because you may be the first person in history to agree with him.

Also, for the record, birds are heavier than air. Some birds weigh more than twenty-six pounds and are able to fly quite well.

[Tim4848]

Thank you loss leader,

I was trying to save time on that example, just trying to get to my point to quick, I would imagine they also included the fact from observation that we did not have a wing span to help compensate for our weight as the birds did.

What ever the answer, they were able to make their conclusions based on observation, data, etc.

I think it is time for science to have a judge, somebody who is expected to be consistent on questioning everything, and I volunteer to do that with this topic until science can prove it wrong.

I have not built any walls that can't come down if I am wrong, but I am not going to cave in to other people opinions either if they do not have any evidence to say I am wrong.

Now let's say my device has a short in it, and that is why it is acting the way it is, then I will get another one, and test it as well.

I am not against doing different test, I want the truth as much as you, and I will always be working toward that result.

Thank you,
Tim

[Tim4848]

To whom it may concern,
Just to make sure I am on the right page with the rest of you.

Please answer these two questions for me;

1) why do you feel it is not possible?

2) If it was possible to communicate with future afterlife out of body people, would you want it to happen or not, and why?


Thank you,
Tim

[Taffer]

Tim, it is not up to us to have "evidence you are wrong", it is up to you to have evidence you are right.

[Taffer]

"Inside electric" is not a meaningful concept.

I would still like to see a response to this, Tim.

[Cuddles]

1) why do you feel it is not possible?

Because there is no evidence. In addition, everything we know about biology would have to be wrong. Since every day millions of things are done that verify the laws of biology it would have to be some pretty impressive evidence to change things.

2) If it was possible to communicate with future afterlife out of body people, would you want it to happen or not, and why?

What we want has absolutely nothing to do with reality. I want to be a millionaire with superpowers, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. Unless my experiments with toxic waste pay off of course.

[Loss Leader]

To whom it may concern,
Just to make sure I am on the right page with the rest of you.

Please answer these two questions for me;

1) why do you feel it is not possible?


Because it is inconsistent with known laws of physics and biology and there is no evidence of the existence of any such phenomenon.


2) If it was possible to communicate with future afterlife out of body people, would you want it to happen or not, and why?


I don't know what "future afterlife out of body people" are, but I'll say,"Yes?"

[hcmom]

2) If it was possible to communicate with future afterlife out of body people, would you want it to happen or not, and why?


Thank you,
Tim
I guess before I know whether or not I want to communicate with future afterlife out of body people, I'd like to know what they are, and why they would want to communicate with me.

[EHLO]

Tim, if you conduct your experiment and the little Radio Shack light comes on at the designated time - how will you rule out any of the following causes:

1. Mischievous aliens with remote viewing/light activating technology
2. A herd of rampaging invisible unicorns
3. Uri Geller
4. God
5. Experimental error
6. Electrical noise

???

[hcmom]

Tim, if you conduct your experiment and the little Radio Shack light comes on at the designated time - how will you rule out any of the following causes:

1. Mischievous aliens with remote viewing/light activating technology
2. A herd of rampaging invisible unicorns
3. Uri Geller
4. God
5. Experimental error
6. Electrical noise

???

There's always psychic vibrations from all of us thinking about his experiment to consider too....

[EHLO]

True, but I don't think anyone is thinking *too* hard about the experiment.

(at least I hope not)

[termite37]

:confused:

http://www.cyberkineticsinc.com/content/medicalproducts/braingate.jsp

I looked that up. Fascinating! It looks like they are claiming the "lawnmower man" exists!

check the video on that under demo

update: oh god.. reminds me of that movie "The Matrix" when I view that braingate demo movie. combination of "lawnmower man" and "the matrix" movies. hmm

[Tim4848]

Hello, my name is Tim, and thank you for taking an interest in this topic up to this point so far. I hope you find these new thoughts just as interesting. For some other people just want to argue about the possibility, I did set up a topic on one site called The Department of Negative Possibilities, so feel free to go their if you like as well.

What you are about to read is nothing more than directional fantasy, to possibly help jump start this topic's positive possibilities and nothing more.

Just something to think about, talk about, as we think through things that happen through out our lives. If for any reason this topic might make sense to you at any point during that time, please fill free to update your OBE level status on this site, and I will talk more about the different levels of OBE's later, at least one quick way we should think about them anyway.

I am sorry that nobody through out history, or even after 2005. I believe that was a very important year, with the emerge of Brain Gate. I am surprise others don't see the connection to this machine as I do; the simple connection of machines and afterlife thought, as a tool to advance this topic even further. I guess it is hard to move something further, when it was not even moving to begin with. A tool that can be modified to what ever possibility we see that needs to be done in this field, because that is exactly what this field is, a wide open field to anybody with an imagination. Just as much as you have the ability to create something worthwhile in this field, so too does that show you that scientist can not say for sure it can't be done, because they have not studied this field half as good as all of us can do, because it is in the numbers, just like we went with this one oil to run a car, when with a little more effort, we even found other fuels that could do the job just as well.. I am not afraid to talk to anyone about this field, because I know just from the short time I have been in it, there is so much more work need done in this field.

If you pay close attention, you will notice the closer we get to making this a reality, the louder some people will be about not wanting it to happen. All I ask, is that you keep an open mind when this occurs. Don't be fooled by what they will say to try and scare you, but what they are not saying, the real reason they don't want it to happen. This will be a clear smoke screen to what there main agenda is all about, and we will discuss that later on, if that worst scenario keeps presenting itself.

Others will try and blow it off as I am some kind of ex-Woodstock religious freak on drugs who thinks he is Einstein, when I am nothing more than a messenger who wants to tell different people's these thoughts, just in case it turns out, that it is really possible..

Through out history people have been able to accomplish things, regardless of different obstacles, and this topic should be the same as well. I believe the out come of this topic will be no different. Measuring it the right way, as Edison would, trying everything, until we find the right thing. Edison achievement was putting all the right pieces of the puzzle all in one place, so the positive result could show itself, and that is what I am asking in this topic as well.

One of the advantage of this topic is the Murphy law effect. This topic opportunities could change at any second of the day, depending on so many different factors.

Example: Imagine scientist do not want to try my theory because they don't buy into it, but five minutes from now, somebody like Oprah, has an OBE; a level five like I had, and is so taken in by the experience, that she decides to check it out on the Internet and comes across my topic on one of the forum boards like the Near Death Experience ones ; not only does she believe in it as me now because of her new experience, but she is also amazed that she has been written in to the solution as well; as one of the possible positive scenario's as I am laying out to you right now. She sees what I want her to do, and maybe she will actually do it, or at least put me in a position to talk face to face with people in that field that can set me straight on the possibilities. She might decide to buy one of the machines and teach people in one of her schools on how to make it happen.

Now the chances of something like this happening is probably one percent of the ten percent of people expected to have this experienced at some point in their life. and this percentage could go up, depending on other factors as well, and we have the Internet to thank for that. because this topic is in a position to be seen by anybody who wants to find it. Yes this one positive possibility that just might happen, another might be that she gets wind of this topic by somebody who is reading it now, gets a chance to meet her, gives here the topic to explore one day, and she actually does. then a lot of the thanks would go to the person who told her about it. I believed that scenario would only work if she really did have a Level five OBE, since then she might be in the right mind set to take it under consideration. This is what would be considered a pre-meditated possibility, based on luck and so many other variables, but it certainly could cause positive results.

I believe if we look at different percentages of Murphy law, this is where we are at:

If five percent of people who have level five OBE's, decide to search more about this experiences on the internet, and at least three percent of them come across my topic, and at least one percent of them are in a position to make it possible, either through private money, or Government money, then this possibility could happen regardless of explaining anything more about it at this time.

In other words, I do not have to prove anything, I just have to have this thought in a position to be seen by others, who can make it happen by either their wealth, media presents, or ability to make it happen. So what we really should be doing is finding those people now that can do this and start to wait for them to have this experience, so they can make it happen.

Will it be Oprah, Donald Trump, Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, Michel Fox, the Pope, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Tom Cruise, or maybe somebody else like you!

Time will tell

What you might ask these people now is this question

"If it did happen to you, and you honestly believed it was real as Tim does, do you know how to find this topic?

Ask them what level are they now, and if they would public-ally announce if that status ever chances.

I do not think that is a bad question to ask anyone, and it really is kind of fun, if you think about it. It's one of your status points in life.

Example:

I have a driver license

I wear glasses

I'm a 2OBE, use to be a 1OBE

This could start being added to people's info on their "My Space" for example. You could wear different color plastic wrist bracelets. It would consist of six different colors.

Before long, people will want to make sure we are doing everything we can to make sure we have the best communication in place for every Level OBE out there.

I once joined the ROTC in school because they promised to let us go up in a plane during the school year, and I would not be apposed to going to some school and getting more training in this area as well, especially if they promised me training on Brain Gate as well in this field of positive possibilities. Maybe our great country would help with government grants in this field, since they say they don't want to leave any of us behind.

I believe this is as much possible, as a policeman on a motor cycle, writing a seat belt ticket to somebody in a big yellow Hummer.

If the government is so concerned about keeping us alive now, with the intent to get your tax dollar longer; just think of all the money they could make if they could measure us in the afterlife world.

I know it might be hard for level 1OBE to understand all this because they can not see it now, like they can see a Wal-Mart being built; but just keep in mind their is a lot of other things that you can not see as well, but they are out there.

Some people believe afterlife can talk, and they believe that EVP will do that for them, I for one do not from my own experiences from having an OBE.

I believe that OBE's ,are clues to afterlife OBE's; because I feel they are early returns from death, and you can see that from their vital signs at the time and how long they had the unexpected experienced as well.

What I recommend we do to make this communication a reality is no different than other things we have tried in the past with other experiments in other fields, like the light bulb.

Do you think every experiment NASA has tried in outer space has always been a success, or that they were able to measure it correctly before they were able to take the experiment to outer space, I would have to say no, but on the same hand, experiments that they thought might work one way, probably turned out to work totally different than they expected early on, and then they just adjusted their approach for future experiments, you can also see that in just different things they have done over the years just to make it safer, but even with all that said, they still know it is risk, but at this time, they still feel it is worth taking..

Example: They say that an atom in a lot of ways is like it's own little solar system, and that it shares it's space with other atoms making it a very crowded little universe. So small, but yet so far away, and if that is our worst scenario, then we cannot expect them to communicate any better than we could expect from our self's.

If you don't believe me, just go out side and yell at outer space, and see if they can hear you down here, probably the best you can expect, is that your niebor will call the police, for disturbing the piece.

Now on the other hand, if everybody on earth would be quiet for a few seconds, and the people on the space shuttle had the correct equipment, maybe they could hear you, but your chances of making that happening would probably be harder than actually communicating with afterlife, so in one way that is a good thing.

Imagine you have been trained on Brain Gate, you are connected to Brain Gate right now, and we wanted you to do something in the space shuttle in outer space

right now, how could we do that?

It all comes down to what other people want to do, and they are in a position to do it.

A sign of how far the science of neuroprosthetics has come is that most of these difficulties are now engineering challenges, rather than problems of principle. In applauding this valuable work, it is worth noting that it was made possible by two of the bêtes noires of modern biology: commercial interests and animal research.

How can we do this, how can we do that, and what if we looked at it this way or that way, and what if we took this and put it with that before we do this again and so on. I could list all type of things we have not done, just to hear from other people on what proof do I have?

Because I believe it to be, and it is natural to science laws.

Because my out of body experience to me was not a dream and it came to me when I had no reason to want it to be real. For some reason the government did not want me to be left behind in school to a point, so I knew the importance of history, that better things can be learned from other people mistakes.

Imagine for a moment that there is only one person on earth, and this person can not talk or hear, even though once they did. On the other hand, you are in an orbit outside of earth and you need to communicate with that person, and one of the tools you have available with you in outer space is a Brain Gate machine, what might be your best way of using it with that person back on Earth. the first thing you must do is let them know what your intentions are and then the best way to do that problem, is post signs in outer space, that can be seen on earth, the next thing you must do is listen for vibrations, so you might need to magnify your efforts for that signal, while trying to drown out any other wasted noise, and this is where it gets harder, because there is not only one person on earth, as there is not only one afterlife in space, and unfortunately they all make vibrations.

Think about this for a moment, I believe every afterlife takes up space, just like you do, and how many that is, can only be a guess. If it is an animal, human, or anything else with energy thought, then you add in how many years they have been around, how many different strange movement of atoms in a curtain amount of space, then multiply that by all atom space, and that should at least give you a good honest number for now; and I would have to think that would be about one percent of all atoms. Now you might think that is a lot, but it really is not, when scientist believe only three percent of space is filled with atoms to begin with.

I once heard we sent signals into outer space, hoping that somebody else might hear them, and on the surface that sounds find, but once again it somebody like Einstein is floating out in outer space in his afterlife, he could not hear this message, because once again, he can not hear in his new handicap position..

I do not believe we need to reinvent the wheel, but we do need to put the wheel in the best position for success. We need to paint better pictures to afterlife, and we might need to put Brain Gate in the best position for success.

Hear me out on this thought. Lets train future patients of Brain Gate for the worst scenario on this topic, and build off of that, just like we do in other area's of life.

We need the best one on one situation that can be done, and that place might be in a pocket in space where dark energy is at. A place where one potential afterlife atom might need to go, to get away from all the white noise of all other afterlife here on Earth.

A place that is vast with nothing, but one atom and one Brain Gate machine, one on one like I was saying..

Think of afterlife as a stadium of noisy people, all trying to be heard for now, and you are trying to communicate with a Brain Gate machine at the same time; sounds impossible, but what if you could float away from this environment and find a quiet place in outer space, that has been selected just for you, with all the bells and whistles. A place where you might be heard; then your chances for success might be much greater.

So what we will need is a satellite, that will be prepared to take a modified Brain Gate machine and other potential afterlife energies up in outer space, to explore this possibility, and then fly to a dark energy place in space and see what happens.

This theory in my opinion could be done, and it would also cover some of the worst scenario for getting it done. Scientist have already shown that some things seam to work better in outer space, so do you think they have ever tried this one before, I didn't think so either. This would also cover situations, where some people think once you are cut off from your old body, you take off toward outer space anyway.

A lot of people believe in the real world that most things can be measured, but in the afterlife, they are happy with the possibility that they go to a place that can't be measured, and I do not agree with that.

A lot of people do not like to talk about anything to do with human death, because they associate it with pain, and your thoughts are always programmed to take you out of pain and into pleasure.



This is so far my Rating system for out of body afterlife

Level Zero: It has never happened to you, and you find it hard to believe it could happen to anybody else as well.

Level One: You had a dream or dreams of having an OBE's, at least it gives you something to talk about on this topic.

Level Two: You trained yourself to have one, the number does not matter, and it is all based on the fact that you wanted it to happen, and your thoughts did everything it could to make it as close as the real thing as you wanted to comprehend of it.

Level Three: You had one, but you experienced it through your right brain, because your left brain thoughts could not comprehend the experience, so your right side thoughts entertained you in limbo, supplying you only with what thoughts it feels you could handle at the time

Level Four: an OBE's that has some right brain activity, during some parts of the experience, but also some left brain activity at times as well; helping to keep you a little more level to the experience as well, but still sounding a little over the top when trying to explain it to others, even though they could see that you were showing signs of being dead at the time, and any machines connected at the time was proving it as well. Some machines were showing you as brain dead.

Level Five: Your body signs are showing you dead, you wake up by the ceiling and remain a wake through the rest of the process, you are in total control of your thoughts, and you can remember re-entering back into your body, by steps you did to make that a possibility.

Level Six: Out of body afterlife = still waiting for the correct communication devises to be in place for this one.

So if you are a level Zero, you do have a lot of options, but just remember what came around to us, might be coming to you later today. As far as I am aware right now, there is no proof all people that have an OBE, are nuts and have some kind of drug problem. If that was the case, people like Winston Churchill would never have got elected to his position in power. Just because you have never experienced it yet, or if you ever do, does not mean you should be ignorant to the possibility, just in case their is a possibility.

My thoughts tell me that one day in the near future, somebody like Oprah, Donald Trump, or even Tom Cruise will have a level five experience, then they will research the topic on the Internet, come across this topic, and then they will use their abilities, from their position, to supply the tools and support that will be needed to advance research in this field, so we can find out once and for all if it can be a reality. Now will they type into their computer the name of my topic and find it, probably not, but hopefully they might go to one of there forums and see it there. That is one of the advantages of a bulletin boards. Unlike the fact, that George Washington might of slept here or there, no one really knows, because there is no proof, but if your topic is still present, when big wheels come around, it's chances of being seen become so much greater. Depending on that big wheels ability to turn thought into action.

Some people ask me to explain how Brain Gate is going to make this happen, and we both would be kidding our self's, since I have never been any closer to that machine than you, but something inside me tells me that I should at least be given a chance to at least go to one on a field trip, just to interact with them and see what comes out of that. I believe everybody should be given one opportunity every year to do this until we die, or science prove it can't be done first in a way that can be measured. Why should I be allowed to do this? Because they might explain to me why it can't work, then I will be glad to report those findings, or they might give me challenges to over come, and then I will have a natural year to slice up those challenges, post them on this site as you can do as well, until all those challenges are gone.

I would like to find some place that could take all of my papers on this topic, and come up with some way of filing it for anybody to read for years to come, if they choose to do that. maybe what we need now is The Department of Positive out of Body possibility Museum topic, because at some point in history, people are going to want to know where we are at on this topic.

I understand if you are a level Zero, and that all of this sounds so impossible to comprehend and it might sound like right brain thinking, but just like anything else in life, you have to start somewhere; and it is always awkward at first, regardless of what ever it might be. Learning to crawl, or ride a bike, is always strange at first, but over time it gets easier, like other new things we learn everyday. Focus new change has always been a part of our life's anyway.

But as your number goes up as you move up in number to what piece you are, Some people for example that might be a seven in management, does not want fives, to become eights, because they feel threatened about their position, and probably income situations, that might be the case, but I always welcomed any number above me, because I honestly believed I just made us better as a team. I always tries to get ones to threes and so on, and maybe they could not become a three at this time, but they are ready to begin to be two's anyway.



I do not like to criticize, condemn or complain about anybody until they can not communicate anymore, so I guess I want to prove once and for before I die, one way or the other, if this is possible or not.

So maybe I am crazy for the fact hat I could be doing all type of other things than what I am doing now. All I can say about that is this. I understand the importance of being three dimensional in most areas of life, and I also understand what it is like to tune a curtain station on the radio.

I have the experience of having a level five OBE

I make a constant effort everyday, to try and see this topic from all angles as possible, while still keeping in mind that might not be possible.

I believe I am honest, reliable, creative, willing to listen, willing to learn, the ability not to cave in to unfounded citizen, based on their opinion that I am the sole provider for having to prove right now, how this can be a reality or not.

I understand if you are a level Zero, that this seams impossible, and since you are not vested in this as I or maybe other level fives, that the best we should do is come to terms with the way you are thinking, and maybe in time that will be the case, or others who might believe or hope as I do, but really don't think it can happen.

On that level, maybe it is good for all interested parties involved that my possibility should be a Yard stick for all false realities, and it must be measured only in our hearts because such a reality in it self might sound to hard to comprehend, for those all I can say, is it will be one person at a time, and all that will come down to timing. I assume that most people would not want to train for something until they see it work first, and I do not have a problem with that, as long as we put our selves in a position to have it work first.

_______________

This modified Brain Gate machine needs some hits in a way that it was never made to do before, but the bottom line is, it needs some tries.

I feel the more I try and explain this topic the better I get, and hopefully the better you get as well, and I believe with every potential hit the machine might receive in the future after the machine is modified, the interchange we have for success.

I would rather list all the different things we tried, so other people can read that , and then hopefully somebody will read it and see what other steps to the puzzle is out there.

like to relationship then keep believing what you are believing for now, and maybe you will always by all means do not believe it is possible, with out proof six proof.

There is a movement that is going on all over the world about this topic. People just like you, who have experienced a level five OBE, are coming to sites like this one, are getting important information about this topic.

Even though some people might miss-lead you hat this topic is as dead as the music in the song American Pie, you now know different, this possibility will be possible as soon as Murphy law shoots an electric arrow into the right person.

Through out life, different people have been influenced by these thoughts, but they were never in a position like you to make it a realty, so that is the question you must always ask yourself at different times in your life. Are you in a position to make it a reality? If the answer is yes, what is sopping you. If your answer is any of these, I have different comments for them, then it is your choice if you want to do it or not.

I'm scared - A great President once said, we have nothing to fear but fear itself

what would my friends say? Well, if you make it a reality, you can talk to your friends about it then.

Can I take my money with me, by putting in my will that I want to keep my money in a Pay pal account, in case they make it a reality in the future? - I personally do not see a problem in that, as long as a percentage was used every year for more research in that area. It would kind of like donating it to a cause, that might pay back big dividends in the event you are reached at a later date. the whole time your money is put into accounts that is growing in interest every year, unless science at some point can prove it is not possible, then you go to the next line in your will and you put it somewhere else.

Why don't the Government just work hard on making this a reality on there own? - Maybe they would, if they were not so busy giving amnesty consideration to all the criminals that are inside our borders. then when we do catch the million or so bad ones in the bunch, then we can us our tax dollars to keep them locked up for years to come.

You will never have a effect on this topic, until you have a cause, and that is what I am trying to explain, to the best of my ability today.

If you got to go o something else, please fill free to do that, but please find the time to help by keeping thoughts like these alive.

I believe one of the reasons this has not become a reality yet. is based on so many factors, but I also believe it is possible based on so many factors.

Some people would lead you to believe, that it is a waste of time to discuss this or anything else, because everything that can be said, has been said, or that everything that can be discovered has been discovered about this topic, so don't waste your time, and you will be considered a nut if you do.

Think for a second as though this topic is a song, some people might not like it, and that is fine, all I have to do is leave it playing for a while and see if some body might come along and listen to it as well, and decide to build a new machine to play it on.

This has already has happened in our past. Thanks to advancement in machines. They can take old tapes and albums of people like Hank Williams, Elvis Presley, and so on, and recreate their music in all type of formats for years to come.

Now some might say that everything that can be said, has already been said before. Now I don't know if that is true or not. I do know at this time, that my topic on the Internet, is the only one posted like it anywhere.

Is this topic truly just a simple twist of fate, only time will tell and it isn't talking at this time , as far as anybody can truly understand.

I will not lie, there are times in my life that I believe in happy endings, and I believe my topic is the closest thing I know to such a reality.

I am banking my topic on the possibility of somebody in an important position, such like in the media profession on having an OBE as well at some point, and the experience makes them want to explore the Internet for other experiences as theirs and they come across this topic, and depending on their influence, or financial backing, they take

Maybe they have access to machines like Brain Gate, because they had come down in price, or they are cheaper than gas at the time, what ever the reason, but they get the word out, they have the ability to sway people's behaviors. or they just like the idea of taking their money with hem and sees this as a good opportunity to do that, because nobody wants to be communicating in the afterlife, with out money. Research can only take you so far, at some point, the general public, private sector, or afterlife sector will have to help split the bill.

Some people worry about the thing called the world order, I believe it is to early to rule out that possibility, for all type of reasons. I believe the world order will perform at higher standards than anything you can imagine now.

Some people worry about Big Brother watching us, and then complains when they have to wait for other government programs as well. If having one all Big Brother, who is devoted to making my life easier, sounds a lot better than, what we have now, where different brothers are fighting and dying all over the world.

Have I finally planted the seed tactually created something,

that is bigger than life as we know it, only time will tell.

is it something all together different , or how things truly come around and go around, when it concerns The Sting Theory when it ran into The Department of Positive Out of Body Possibilities.

I am quite aware that different people have different opinions about this topic, and some do not even like talking about it at al, unless scientific prove is given up front, before any type of testing can be explored, but I also believe after reading other people positive replies, that there might be other ways of making this a reality, and that is luck.

Let me give you an example. Let's say that somebody in a very powerful position has an OBE at some point in their life, and they might have the ability to make this a reality as well. Maybe somebody who is so powerful in the media present, that they can build schools, provide equipment, build wings to hospitals, or even builds colleges as well.

but if I remember right, they are a lot like me. If I yawn they yawn, we both put on our shoes on at a time, and we both could have an OBE. Now when I had mine, back in the late seventy, early eighties, you did not hear anything about it, and you surely did not have the internet, but now, if you had one today, you can jump on the Internet, and you might come across my topic, and if that is the case, I would like to think I am providing a service, especially if this scenario might happen.

What you are about to read is nothing more than fantasy at this time.

The year is 3535

Hello, my name is John Doe and I am eighty years old in human life, but now I am an out of body afterlife person with no password to prove who I am. Nobody ever thought of giving you a password for my type of situation when I was alive because, it just wasn't something you talked about when I was alive, People were too scared to talk about dying, and that type of thinking at that time was just too far over the top.

I guess the biggest break through in this field came shortly after Oprah had her OBE's herself, and she decided to provide research in that field and made it a reality. None of this would not of happened if she did not have here experience, and some guy by the name of Tim, hadn't put this topic in a position to be read by her.

Tim realized that you can't make anything a reality if you don't believe in it first, and then have the ability to make it a reality second. Tim realized that he was average, but he also knew other people will have this experience, and they might be above average, and if they could work together, the chances of this working would be no different than Bernie Toblin and Elton John working together, with the goal of making music..

Tim believed that Afterlife are doing quite fine, but they are handicapped, and need to be treated as though, instead of being ignored by all type of false belief's that give the impression to people that it can't be possible, when in fact, it has never really been studied correctly, since Thomas Edison studied it years earlier.

Now on the other hand, I have this friend name Jane Doe who has had a password for quite some time, because she had the insight to make it a reality, following her unique experiences through out life. She was already handicapped, and her mother had an OBE a couple of years earlier, and made the connection to Jane, so she helped Jane get qualified with Brain Gate, just so she could live a better life on earth as a handicapped person, but never forgetting to motivate Jane in the future possibilities if Tim is indeed right. Her mother worked on Jane's placebo thoughts, telling her to focus strong because you might be doing this for a very long time. After Jane started getting good on the Brain Gate machine, her mother worked with her on a password, just in case things work out as Tim Believe they might.

It was not long after Jane was totally focus on the possibility, that complication from other health issues with her took her life. Jane's mother went to Capital Hill looking for more funding in this area, but was turned down do to lack of evidence, fortunately Jane's mother talked about the experience under the Department of Positive out of Body Afterlife possibilities topic umbrella, so other people in the puzzle had access to the information as well.



She also got training on the machines at a much earlier time, so she had special advantages when the first modified black market Brain Gate machine came on the market. Also after Brain gate began to become public, curtain radio stations bought time shares on the machine, so people could like Jane's mother could try and contact with her daughter. Her mother was always a strong willed person herself, so this all made sense to her, even though other people were not so sure in the possibility.



As I was saying, Jane's mother put her in a potential positive position, and now that it worked out, Jane is returning the favor back to her mom and everybody else as well and she is respected and admired for what she has done, and also the fact that they had the hind sight to have a password put in place, even though they did not need one at the time, and that password can be used anywhere American Express or Visa is taken. She did not have a lot of things when she was alive, but now with here afterlife job, and her low maintained afterlife style, she has piled a lot of money up on all type of different Pay Pales. When she was alive. before she got injured in a hit and run car crash, she was a teacher, and now in her afterlife she is still teaching. She teaches a class on the Internet called "How to live your dreams the right way." She has also written a lot of different books about the topic as well. Maybe you have heard of them before:

"Don't forget your Password" this book talks about other passwords you can use, if you did not have one recorded with Brain Gate before, and they are making great strides in communicating with people from other centuries as well, come to find out, they have been getting smarter while in an out of body experience thanks to some pe