Proof That God Does Not Exist!!!

[Jon_in_london]

1. God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent.

2. This means that there is nothing he cannot do (omnipotence) yet he can do no evil (omnibenevolent).

3. Since there is nothing he cannot do, and he cannot do evil, it follows that evil is nothing.

4. The devil is evil.

5. Therefore the devil does not exist.

6. Without the devil, there will be no hell.

7. There is no heaven without a hell.

8. Therefore, there is no heaven.

9. Without God, heaven could not exist.

10. As shown above, heaven does not exist.
AND THEREFORE GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!!
MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!


:wink8:

[a_unique_person]

"That ain't the Devil, that's just God when He's drunk", Tom Waits.

[elliotfc]

>>>>>3. Since there is nothing he cannot do, and he cannot do evil, it follows that evil is nothing.<<<<<

What God does is by definition good. But he created creative beings, and the same cannot be said about the creative beings he created.

I can rape a woman, if I wanted to. But I am not going to do that. Does that mean rape is nothing?

-Elliot

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by elliotfc
>>>>>3. Since there is nothing he cannot do, and he cannot do evil, it follows that evil is nothing.<<<<<

What God does is by definition good. But he created creative beings, and the same cannot be said about the creative beings he created.

I can rape a woman, if I wanted to. But I am not going to do that. Does that mean rape is nothing?

-Elliot

Its a joke you tosspot!

But anyway, If everything god does is good, would you agree that he is incapable of doing evil? If so then he isnt omnipotent is he?

[Cleopatra]

LOL

Jon, it's a joke if you live to the right site of the Atlantic ocean ;)

Some people take such things very seriously and other when they post such things, consider themselves very clever.

I have seen people debating seriously in( american) fora whether angels have tatoos or not LOL

[elliotfc]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


Its a joke you tosspot!

But anyway, If everything god does is good, would you agree that he is incapable of doing evil? If so then he isnt omnipotent is he?

Oh. :|

Yes, god is incapable of doing evil. I think "omnipotence" is a silly concept. God's nature is omnipotence, and what is not in God's nature is not related to omnipotence.

-Elliot

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by elliotfc


Oh. :|

Yes, god is incapable of doing evil. I think "omnipotence" is a silly concept. God's nature is omnipotence, and what is not in God's nature is not related to omnipotence.

-Elliot

???!!!?!

So basically you are arbitrarily redefining omnipotence from "the ability to do everything and anything" to "what I think my god can do without being a completely illogical sack of contradictions"

Your justification of this is that the concept of omnipotence is "silly".

I agree.

Thats why I find the concept of god silly.

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by elliotfc
What God does is by definition good.

Not according to god!

"But evil came down from the LORD unto the gate of Jerusalem."
-Mic.1:12

"Thus saith the LORD; Behold, against this family do I devise an evil."
-Mic.2:3

"And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."
-Ex.32:14


"The Lord repented of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, it is enough: stay now thine hand."
-2 Sam.24:16

"The Lord beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand."
-1 Chr.21:15

"That I [God]may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them."
-Jer.26:3

"God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them."
-Jon.3:10

...and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.
-Sam. 1st 16:16

[Jon_in_london]

Hey! does this mean that god isnt omnibenevolent either?

Not very good your god is he?

{no pun intended}

[LW]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london


Not according to god!

I appreciate the irony of using fundamentalist's own beloved KJV Bible against them, but I have to point out that for most of the quotes you gave, modern translations use "disaster" or "calamity" or something like that in place of "evil". So, for them it could be argued that the act was not evil even though God caused a disaster.

However, the 1.Sam 16:14-23 is a clear case of an evil spirit working on orders of God.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
Hey! does this mean that god isnt omnibenevolent either?

Not very good your god is he?

{no pun intended}

Time for the Religious Shootout. Lets put them all to the test. My money is on the Buddha.

[a_unique_person]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
LOL

Jon, it's a joke if you live to the right site of the Atlantic ocean ;)

Some people take such things very seriously and other when they post such things, consider themselves very clever.

I have seen people debating seriously in( american) fora whether angels have tatoos or not LOL

Tattoos of what? And if you look at the great comedy character poll, the English are beating the Americans easily.

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
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I have seen people debating seriously in( american) fora whether angels have tatoos or not LOL

That's all I needed.. I'm still trying to find out why they have wings...:confused:

[Jon_in_london]

Originally posted by Diogenes


That's all I needed.. I'm still trying to find out why they have wings...:confused:

You so silly Diogenes!!! how else are they going to fly up to heaven!!!

[Yahzi]

Originally posted by elliotfc
What God does is by definition good. But he created creative beings, and the same cannot be said about the creative beings he created.-Elliot

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these.

[evildave]

Yep, so God's as good or evil as s/he wants to be.

And not to forget, God made lots of biblical characters do terrible things. "Hardening the heart" of Pharaoh so he could stick it to Egypt a little harder, as an example. Of course, in all such examples, we have God pulling people's strings, and no free will at work.

Nobody does anything without God's say-so, so in truth, it could be argued that "God made him it", when some member of the clergy rapes a child.

After all, to use the popular religious arguments, nothing "just happens". It's all "God's Will".

God made everything.
God made you.
God is responsible for you.

Don't worry. You were predestined to go to Heaven or Hell before you were ever born, anyway.

Isn't following "fate" to its logical conclusions fun?

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Cleopatra
LOL

Jon, it's a joke if you live to the right site of the Atlantic ocean ;)

Some people take such things very seriously and other when they post such things, consider themselves very clever.

I have seen people debating seriously in( american) fora whether angels have tatoos or not LOL
Only in America (I'm being serious) :D...

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Jon_in_london
1. God is omnipotent and omnibenevolent.

2. This means that there is nothing he cannot do (omnipotence) yet he can do no evil (omnibenevolent).

3. Since there is nothing he cannot do, and he cannot do evil, it follows that evil is nothing.

4. The devil is evil.

5. Therefore the devil does not exist.

6. Without the devil, there will be no hell.

7. There is no heaven without a hell.

8. Therefore, there is no heaven.

9. Without God, heaven could not exist.

10. As shown above, heaven does not exist.
AND THEREFORE GOD DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!!!
MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!


:wink8:
(Yes, I fully realize I'm killing the joke...)
Some Christians (such as Mormons) dont believe in Hell, they believe Hell and Satan are symbols of evil.

[calladus]

Originally posted by Diogenes
That's all I needed.. I'm still trying to find out why they have wings...:confused:

We had this all mixed up -

The angels have TATTOS of WINGS!