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propheteer
17th May 2007, 11:19 AM
What about everything that is? These are not new ideas but I think a lot about nothing...

Assuming the expansion and contraction of the universe happens and that everything that ever was (both matter and energy) has been and will always be in our universe or even every other universe is truth. If everything in the universe that is, has always been there in one form or another throughout all of the expanding and contracting cycles of the universe. Then what?

If all matter and energy there will ever be is already contained in our one and only universe and the universe continually expands and contracts forever like some huge perpetual motion machine. Wouldn't everything that's ever been repeat itself exactly as before sooner or later without any outside stimulus from other universes or states of being beyond? Could it even be possible that the universe simply repeats itself exactly as before in a very mundane and un-theological way with each cycle due to complete lack of outside stimulus?

Could it be that there really is absolutely nothing beyond our universe? The concept of "nothing" intrigues me. How powerful nothing must be by its complete lack of anything. "Nothing" would neither receive nor emit stimulus. Would stimulus bounce off of it? Is it what allows our universe to expand and contract? Is our universe simply trying to punch a hole in nothingness by applying the mere presence of something that goes critical mass in the mere "presence" of nothing?

The thought doesn't scale well to me though and I've been thinking about the possibility that there are an infinite amount of universes in every direction just beyond the edges of our own. Each providing their own bit of stimulus on our own universe as it expands and contracts providing an infinite amount of possibility's of what is to be.

And that brings me to my next conundrum. Is infinity possible? After all, if there could be some (infinity), there could be one and whats the difference anyway. A group is one if you take them as a whole. Infinity is a relative term at best. I mean whats beyond all of those universes. Could it be the nothing "pushing" back?

And what about the concept of randomness? How random could something be if there is a limited set of stimuli factors (ala all that makes up our universe and even all of the other universes is already there cycle after cycle). If so I would think there is a limited set of events of all that could be and happen based on the static amount of all that is. After all, there in only so much matter and energy to work with. I'm gradually beginning to think that if time truly is limitless than everything that’s happened will happen again sooner or later.

Now for some theology and anti-theology….. Did something break nothing by injecting matter and energy oh so long ago and now there is a never ending cycle of everything as we know it? If so, it all comes down to your definition of that something. Was it done on purpose? Was it an intelligent decision by something? Or was it simply a rock that landed in the wrong spot.

Personally I don't pray. Not to rocks that may have started everything as we know it or even to the idea that an intelligent entity could of injected everything that we know of into the nothing. However, that makes nothing "something" doesn't it. It’s the "nothing" that really gets me thinking. It must be beautiful.

Sometimes, on occasion, I think I drink to much though.

RenaissanceBiker
17th May 2007, 11:54 AM
Sometimes, on occasion, I think I drink to much though.

I'm not surprised. You do that in every universe.

/and I always remind you of it.

propheteer
18th May 2007, 07:55 AM
Cheers!

Macoy
18th May 2007, 08:02 AM
implied immortality always makes me reach for the bottle. what else to do to fill the time?

strathmeyer
19th May 2007, 09:05 PM
Which infinity are we talking about here? Aleph-null? Or are we ignoring Dedekind, Cantor, and Gottlob's work?

propheteer
21st May 2007, 07:00 AM
I had no idea inifinity came in so many flavors. I'll get back to you on that....