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ref
18th May 2007, 09:03 AM
This is getting funnier by the minute :D

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/180507loosechange.htm

Alex Jones has publicly announced his role as an executive producer for Loose Change: Final Cut as Dylan Avery, Corey Rowe and Jason Bermas gear up for their much anticipated appearance on The View with Rosie O'Donnell next week.

Alex will also reveal on his show today that he has been helping with financing the production and release of the film.

Professor David Ray Griffin was also enlisted as an editor and fact checker, ensuring the final release will be absolutely watertight and immune to the debunking attempts that will inevitably follow.

Now THAT is funny.

ETA: I mean, they are actually associating with a man, whose website speculates the Virginia shootings being a Government Black-OP. Among thousands of other incredible claims that only hurt the movement. We can just point people to see what Alex Jones believes, and they associate themselves with him. This movie is gone even before it's released.

8den
18th May 2007, 09:19 AM
This is getting funnier by the minute :D

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/180507loosechange.htm

Now THAT is funny.

The credit list is like a roll call of stupid. The good thing is that with so many different CTers tying themselves to this, it will mean we can get more of them with one blow.

ref
18th May 2007, 09:20 AM
The credit list is like a roll call of stupid. The good thing is that with so many different CTers tying themselves to this, it will mean we can get more of them with one blow.

Alex Jones, Griffin, LC boys, Charlie Sheen, Kevin Ryan and Steven Jones all in one package :p

Architect
18th May 2007, 09:21 AM
Professor David Ray Griffin was also enlisted as an editor and fact checker, ensuring the final release will be absolutely innacurate once again and paticularly susceptible to the debunking attempts that will inevitably follow.


Corrected for accuracy

R.Mackey
18th May 2007, 09:22 AM
I for one am going to laugh if Rosie is setting up an ambush...

It's possible. She's clearly all about the ratings.

MarkyX
18th May 2007, 09:28 AM
I would get respect for her if she did that. But that would be out of character for her.

Juustin
18th May 2007, 09:31 AM
Wait, what day are the LC boys on The View? I'll have to set it to record. This will be fantastic. Give them 10 minutes of airtime and they'll debunk themselves.

Hourglassmemory
18th May 2007, 09:31 AM
The credit list is like a roll call of stupid. The good thing is that with so many different CTers tying themselves to this, it will mean we can get more of them with one blow.

Oh yes. Join them all together in one room, and blow it up!!! It's an analogy, not literal.

Hyperviolet
18th May 2007, 09:56 AM
This is getting funnier by the minute :D

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/180507loosechange.htm



Now THAT is funny.

ETA: I mean, they are actually associating with a man, whose website speculates the Virginia shootings being a Government Black-OP. Among thousands of other incredible claims that only hurt the movement. We can just point people to see what Alex Jones believes, and they associate themselves with him. This movie is gone even before it's released.

Ref, this is just basically an Ad-Hom. Its too lazy to do that. If the film is inaccuate, then show the inaccuracies. Don't just go after the film's Exec. Producer

R.Mackey
18th May 2007, 09:59 AM
Technically, it's not an ad hominem attack, because ref is not using that statement to "prove" the video will be inaccurate. He's discussing its credibility and public perception, and his reasoning on that score is correct.

Since the video isn't released, in fact is probably nowhere near complete, we cannot possibly assess its accuracy yet. However, we have already dismantled all three of its predecessors using evidence, facts, and logic. The update will be treated no differently.

Unsecured Coins
18th May 2007, 10:00 AM
Alex Jones, Griffin, LC boys, Charlie Sheen, Kevin Ryan and Steven Jones all in one package :p


With 2, you still get egg roll though...

uk_dave
18th May 2007, 10:01 AM
Ref, this is just basically an Ad-Hom. Its too lazy to do that. If the film is inaccuate, then show the inaccuracies. Don't just go after the film's Exec. Producer

I disagree.

If the exec producer was a rabid racist POS, wouldn't he/she be fair game?

It's all a matter of degree.

Jones is a figurehead for all that is paranoid and delusional. The Loosers have attached themselves to his shirt tails. It's fair comment to have a pop at him.

And anyway, they have to release the bloody film before we can have a go at that, and at the moment they are playing the 'truther' speciality of all talk and no film.

Pentacon researchers edition, anyone?

Architect
18th May 2007, 10:01 AM
Ref, this is just basically an Ad-Hom. Its too lazy to do that. If the film is inaccuate, then show the inaccuracies. Don't just go after the film's Exec. Producer


Ach wheesht man. The thing oboot Jones is that he aye havers, an' tae be fair usually talks keech. It's no a big deal tae rip intae him.

Rika
18th May 2007, 10:03 AM
Huh. This actually means this will get a wider association, some truthers I know think LC is nonsense, but believe Alex Jones (and listen to his show!) and respond with "you need to wake up" when I point out Alex is wrong

Darth Rotor
18th May 2007, 10:04 AM
This movie is gone even before it's released.
I disagree. There is an old saying, along the lines of:

"No one ever went broke by overestimating the foolishness of the public."

DR

Triterope
18th May 2007, 10:13 AM
So this is Dylan Avery's big Hollywood financier? Alex Freaking Jones?

Can you say "no real movie interests would touch this turd with a ten-foot cattle prod while wearing a radiation suit", boys and girls? I knew you could.

Also: don't filmmakers usually arrange financing before they announce a 12-country release date that's four months away?

Hyperviolet
18th May 2007, 10:16 AM
Ach wheesht man. The thing oboot Jones is that he aye havers, an' tae be fair usually talks keech. It's no a big deal tae rip intae him.


Aye ken whit yer sayin - bit the laddie isne daein himsel any favours wi jist sayin he is a dos wallaper an no pointin oot why.

Architect
18th May 2007, 10:27 AM
Aye ken whit yer sayin - bit the laddie isne daein himsel any favours wi jist sayin he is a dos wallaper an no pointin oot why.

Aye, a kin see whur yer comin' fae, like, but the laddie is wan o them whit we see a lot o' on the board and maist of us wid ken that he's locked his horns wi' they eejits fae the CT lobby afore.

The hing is that this isnae the kind o' thread whur we'd find the CTers, and wud huv tae be a bit maer balanced.

Or ot least that's ma view. Mind you, ah dinnae ken why ahm screivin like this, fur ahm actually a teuchter fae North Uist.

Hyperviolet
18th May 2007, 10:31 AM
Technically, it's not an ad hominem attack, because ref is not using that statement to "prove" the video will be inaccurate. He's discussing its credibility and public perception, and his reasoning on that score is correct.

Since the video isn't released, in fact is probably nowhere near complete, we cannot possibly assess its accuracy yet. However, we have already dismantled all three of its predecessors using evidence, facts, and logic. The update will be treated no differently.

Well not all ad hominem attacks are used to attempt to 'prove' a point. In cases, it is just used to discredit the message rather than dealing with the material. Fox news is infamous for it.

When the film comes out - stick to the claims as you have done. Don't try to turn people away purely because "X is involved" as suggested. It will only invoke people to say you are scared to debate the hard facts. When this is not the case.

Hyperviolet
18th May 2007, 10:36 AM
Aye, a kin see whur yer comin' fae, like, but the laddie is wan o them whit we see a lot o' on the board and maist of us wid ken that he's locked his horns wi' they eejits fae the CT lobby afore.

The hing is that this isnae the kind o' thread whur we'd find the CTers, and wud huv tae be a bit maer balanced.

Or ot least that's ma view. Mind you, ah dinnae ken why ahm screivin like this, fur ahm actually a teuchter fae North Uist.

Aye, ken like. A hink a git whit yer sayin n that. Yer northern choocter patter is pure well advanced like fur a wee glesgae numpty lit me.

ref
18th May 2007, 10:38 AM
Technically, it's not an ad hominem attack, because ref is not using that statement to "prove" the video will be inaccurate. He's discussing its credibility and public perception, and his reasoning on that score is correct.



Yes, exactly. I'm not saying anything about the video or its contents. We have seen the teaser, but this is not about that. This is about the fact that they are being financed and produced by the man with the most paranoid stories out there. Hyperviolet, just check out some of Alex Jones and prisonplanet stuff. They were seriously discussing the government involvement in the Virginia shooting. Alex bullhorns and harrasses innocent people, makes dubious claims and outrageous stories.

This is about the public reaction to the fact, that a man with those views is deeply involved with this new movie. It automatically associates them together. LC can/will be associated with everything Alex has done. And that's a lot. I would say it's not going to be good publicity for LC, when this is becoming public knowledge.

ETA: And Hyper, we will be dealing with the movie and its claims, once it's out.

R.Mackey
18th May 2007, 10:42 AM
Well not all ad hominem attacks are used to attempt to 'prove' a point. In cases, it is just used to discredit the message rather than dealing with the material. Fox news is infamous for it.

When the film comes out - stick to the claims as you have done. Don't try to turn people away purely because "X is involved" as suggested. It will only invoke people to say you are scared to debate the hard facts. When this is not the case.

Don't worry, nobody here will have the slightest trepidation about countering the arguments of "Loose Change the Fourth", assuming it actually contains any.

However, you should also consider the shifting burden of proof implicit here. There comes a time when a source, having been found to be utterly wrong, dishonest, and implausible numerous times before, should be automatically viewed as suspect. The three previous "Loose Change" variants and Alex Jones's long history of incoherent broadcasting more than satisfy this threshold, in my opinion.

Think about it. If some random individual bursts into my office today insisting that he has proof of sentient aliens on Jupiter, do I have to take him seriously? Do I even have to listen to him? Not really.

Until Avery and his little club come up with anything remotely possible, I see no reason to treat them as a valid source of information.

ref
18th May 2007, 10:44 AM
And the funny part of the OP was, that Griffin was hired to make the film waterproof and immune to debunking attempts. Man, Griffin is one of the most debunked characters out there. He had to write a book just to counter the debunking. And that book has already shown it can be easily debunked.

Hyperviolet
18th May 2007, 10:45 AM
Yes, exactly. I'm not saying anything about the video or its contents. We have seen the teaser, but this is not about that. This is about the fact that they are being financed and produced by the man with the most paranoid stories out there. Hyperviolet, just check out some of Alex Jones and prisonplanet stuff. They were seriously discussing the government involvement in the Virginia shooting. Alex bullhorns and harrasses innocent people, makes dubious claims and outrageous stories.

This is about the public reaction to the fact, that a man with those views is deeply involved with this new movie. It automatically associates them together. LC can/will be associated with everything Alex has done. And that's a lot. I would say it's not going to be good publicity for LC, when this is becoming public knowledge.

ETA: And Hyper, we will be dealing with the movie and its claims, once it's out.


Okay Ref, thats cool then. I misunderstood what you were saying. As long as you don't favour this approach over the knitty gritty approach which has served you well.

Focusing on his character is going to bring about cries of "STRAWMAN! - You cant debate theh facts"

:)

ref
18th May 2007, 10:47 AM
Focusing on his character is going to bring about cries of "STRAWMAN! - You cant debate theh facts"

:)


I've heard that cry from Alex's mouth :D

Mobyseven
18th May 2007, 10:48 AM
ARGH! Mackey, when did that cat creep into your avatar???

Hyperviolet - to draw an analogy out of this...mainly because I like analogies.

For Loose Change: Final Chance, being financed by Alex Jones gives it about the same air of credibility and impartiality as the hypothetical movie White Is My Favourite Colour: Why Black Men Are Genetically Inferior would were it financed by the KKK.

This isn't a discussion about the facts (or 'facts') contained in the movie - this is all about public perception.

Capisci?

ETA - Yay! Capisci! :D

Hyperviolet
18th May 2007, 10:50 AM
Don't worry, nobody here will have the slightest trepidation about countering the arguments of "Loose Change the Fourth", assuming it actually contains any.

However, you should also consider the shifting burden of proof implicit here. There comes a time when a source, having been found to be utterly wrong, dishonest, and implausible numerous times before, should be automatically viewed as suspect. The three previous "Loose Change" variants and Alex Jones's long history of incoherent broadcasting more than satisfy this threshold, in my opinion.

Think about it. If some random individual bursts into my office today insisting that he has proof of sentient aliens on Jupiter, do I have to take him seriously? Do I even have to listen to him? Not really.

Until Avery and his little club come up with anything remotely possible, I see no reason to treat them as a valid source of information.

Nah its cool, man. I misunderstood the OP. I was under the assumption that the suggestion was that all you'd have to do would be to go "look Jones is involved. Its all lies."

Sure, skepticism about a persons claims is a sensible approach if they have been proven to tell falsehoods.

beachnut
18th May 2007, 10:52 AM
Hearsay fact checker checks hearsay facts:confused:

Aggs
18th May 2007, 10:53 AM
Rosie must be feeling the pressure, she's not taking questions on her blog anymore:

"no new questions
taking a little break"

I'm going to fantasize that this was caused by my question asking her which government report she read that mentions melted steel as the cause for collapse.... ;)

R.Mackey
18th May 2007, 10:55 AM
ARGH! Mackey, when did that cat creep into your avatar???

Cat? What cat?

Say hallo to my lettle frend!

Hyperviolet
18th May 2007, 10:55 AM
ARGH! Mackey, when did that cat creep into your avatar???

Hyperviolet - to draw an analogy out of this...mainly because I like analogies.

For Loose Change: Final Chance, being financed by Alex Jones gives it about the same air of credibility and impartiality as the hypothetical movie White Is My Favourite Colour: Why Black Men Are Genetically Inferior would were it financed by the KKK.

This isn't a discussion about the facts (or 'facts') contained in the movie - this is all about public perception.

Capisci?

ETA - Yay! Capisci! :D

Haha yeah i see what your saying but rather than just saying the KKK financed it i'd rather point out successful sportmen like Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Pele and Linford Christie and ask what exactly was wrong with their supposedly inferior genetics.

chipmunk stew
18th May 2007, 11:00 AM
I've heard that cry from Alex's mouth :D
Even when someone is directly addressing the man's argument (see AJ/Mark Roberts GZ confrontation)

Regnad Kcin
18th May 2007, 11:02 AM
Wait, what day are the LC boys on The View? I'll have to set it to record. This will be fantastic. Give them 10 minutes of airtime and they'll debunk themselves.I respectfully disagree.

All it will take is a handful of "just asking" questions, laden with a few shady (and tired old) allegations, presented with a seemingly humble call for a "new investigation," as well as a prominent on-screen display of a website or two ("to find out more information than we're able to delve into here, Rosie") and the tykes will have scored a PR victory. Not to mention being able to associate their work with a "major media outlet" like ABC for the rest of time. Never mind it's one of the same major media they claim has been covering up all along in the first place.

I simply can't articulate the contempt I feel for such people.

ConspiRaider
18th May 2007, 11:03 AM
B-B-but didn't you see?!? Alex is a "Founding Father" of the Twoof Movement!!!111one!111!

That puts him up there with like George Wash. and Hamilton and Jefferson and Adams and Hancock just like Our LC Heroes are akin to Mandela and Parks and Wiesenthal and Churchill!!!11eleventy!!!1111

Alex Jones, a Founding Father. Dad, your fly's unzipped.

oddball
18th May 2007, 11:04 AM
...This is about the fact that they are being financed and produced by the man with the most paranoid stories out there...

When a studio invests in a motion picture and it assigns an executive to oversee the making of the film, this executive is given the title executive producer. But he or she doesn't have a specific job on the set. Instead her responsibility is to make sure that everyone else is doing their job - that the project is on schedule and is not over budget. The executive producer protects the studio's investment by overseeing the project.

The executive producer will work closely with the director if any concerns arise. For example, if bad weather holds up filming, or an actor is injured - if anything at all goes wrong that threatens the picture staying on budget or on schedule - the executive producer will press for solutions.

Another role of executive producer is to make sure that as the film is being made as planned; they ensure that ad hoc changes do not inherently alter the original project the studio approved.

The function of an executive producer is to look over people's shoulders and protect the investments of those backing the film.

NoZed Avenger
18th May 2007, 11:09 AM
Well not all ad hominem attacks are used to attempt to 'prove' a point. In cases, it is just used to discredit the message rather than dealing with the material. Fox news is infamous for it.



Um. . . .

Mobyseven
18th May 2007, 11:25 AM
Haha yeah i see what your saying but rather than just saying the KKK financed it i'd rather point out successful sportmen like Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Pele and Linford Christie and ask what exactly was wrong with their supposedly inferior genetics.

Well, before it comes out you can infer from the financial backing that it is likely to be biased and not very credible.

Once it comes out, you can set about proving that inference.

Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods...we always knew white men couldn't jump, but when they lost the ability to win at golf they just turned into geeks in bad pants...

chipmunk stew
18th May 2007, 11:25 AM
When a studio invests in a motion picture and it assigns an executive to oversee the making of the film, this executive is given the title executive producer. But he or she doesn't have a specific job on the set. Instead her responsibility is to make sure that everyone else is doing their job - that the project is on schedule and is not over budget. The executive producer protects the studio's investment by overseeing the project.

The executive producer will work closely with the director if any concerns arise. For example, if bad weather holds up filming, or an actor is injured - if anything at all goes wrong that threatens the picture staying on budget or on schedule - the executive producer will press for solutions.

Another role of executive producer is to make sure that as the film is being made as planned; they ensure that ad hoc changes do not inherently alter the original project the studio approved.

The function of an executive producer is to look over people's shoulders and protect the investments of those backing the film.
Sounds like the perfect job for Alex Jones. The making of LCFC is probably going exactly the way you described.





:rolleyes:

Darth Rotor
18th May 2007, 12:03 PM
That puts him up there with like George Wash. and Hamilton and Jefferson and Adams and Hancock just like Our LC Heroes are akin to Mandela and Parks and Wiesenthal and Churchill!!!11eleventy!!!1111

Alex Jones, a Founding Father. Dad, your fly's unzipped.
*chortle*

Oh, MaGoo, you've done it again. :)

DR

Brainster
18th May 2007, 12:24 PM
The Loosers are about to appear on Alex Jones' show to discuss this right now.

chipmunk stew
18th May 2007, 12:38 PM
Was Jason's great-grandfather a carnival barker?

chipmunk stew
18th May 2007, 12:49 PM
Korey Rowe "endorses" Screw Loose Change?

He says "at least [he's] keeping someone employed". You guys are getting paid???

Brainster
18th May 2007, 01:02 PM
Korey Rowe "endorses" Screw Loose Change?

He says "at least [he's] keeping someone employed". You guys are getting paid???

Yeah, but only in Ameros.

Civilized Worm
18th May 2007, 02:23 PM
So this is Dylan Avery's big Hollywood financier? Alex Freaking Jones?


Well he has had cameos in two Richard Linklater films.

negativ
18th May 2007, 02:46 PM
Wait, what day are the LC boys on The View? I'll have to set it to record. This will be fantastic. Give them 10 minutes of airtime and they'll debunk themselves.

Given their propensity for filming and posting hours-long videos of themselves, I have zero doubt that their View segment will be on all the intertubes within minutes of airtime.

negativ
18th May 2007, 02:54 PM
Aye, a kin see whur yer comin' fae, like, but the laddie is wan o them whit we see a lot o' on the board and maist of us wid ken that he's locked his horns wi' they eejits fae the CT lobby afore.

The hing is that this isnae the kind o' thread whur we'd find the CTers, and wud huv tae be a bit maer balanced.

Or ot least that's ma view. Mind you, ah dinnae ken why ahm screivin like this, fur ahm actually a teuchter fae North Uist.

Could you guys possibly put together a translation handbook? This might come in handy after the Truthers fire up their revolution and start rounding up us shills and gate-keepers. You know, along the lines of the Navajo Code Talkers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_Code_Talkers).

Yaters
18th May 2007, 03:44 PM
Well he has had cameos in two Richard Linklater films.

I was not a huge fan of Linklater to begin with, but when I saw that Alex Jones appeared in two of his films, that was enough to push me over the top, and just not like him.

Architect
18th May 2007, 04:06 PM
Could you guys possibly put together a translation handbook? This might come in handy after the Truthers fire up their revolution and start rounding up us shills and gate-keepers. You know, along the lines of the Navajo Code Talkers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navajo_Code_Talkers).


How, whit's wrang wi' that, likes? It's aw pure crystal, laddie, and no like wuv screvit in anither leid or somehin.

Hyperviolet
18th May 2007, 04:17 PM
How, whit's wrang wi' that, likes? It's aw pure crystal, laddie, and no like wuv screvit in anither leid or somehin.

Haw arsebandit we shid dae at by the way, nat a mean?
Could make a fair bit a' chinge - am up fur it. Beats selling snout at the barras, mate.

Architect
18th May 2007, 04:19 PM
Dinnae ask me, ken; yer the wan fae Glesga! Ahm just a pure teuchter thit hud tae learn the leid when ah went tae yooni, like.

But talkin' aboot ersebandits, ye micht want tae take a wee swatch at this prick ower on the politics forum, who doesnae seem tae like fowk fae Scotland ower much:

one-eyed porridge-wog

ConspiRaider
18th May 2007, 04:23 PM
okay Hyper and Arch: Joke's over. Time to PM each other now and continue your "fascinating" conversation. Verstehen Sie?

Architect
18th May 2007, 04:24 PM
Ach havers, yer' jus' jealous cos ye dinnae understand.

:p

ETA: I wonder if that's how CTers feel when real technical experts talk? Perhaps they're so aggrieved because they only understand one word in ten?

uk_dave
18th May 2007, 04:29 PM
Structural design in the vernacular = Stay the feck up or I'll tear yer bollocks from yer sac

Architect
18th May 2007, 04:31 PM
Chewing the Fat: the Big Man's approach to structures?

uk_dave
18th May 2007, 04:34 PM
or the big macs

oooohhh slap me:D

Architect
18th May 2007, 04:36 PM
Maybe we're just being too parochial. A bit like this evening's "Have I Got News for You", but that's a debate for the politics forum.

Hyperviolet
18th May 2007, 04:38 PM
Chewing the Fat: the Big Man's approach to structures?


Hahaha! i can just picture it.

"There a problem here?"

JamesB
18th May 2007, 09:32 PM
Korey Rowe "endorses" Screw Loose Change?

He says "at least [he's] keeping someone employed". You guys are getting paid???


Unfortunately Pat keeps on stealing my half and blowing it all on red licorice.

negativ
18th May 2007, 10:14 PM
Dinnae ask me, ken; yer the wan fae Glesga! Ahm just a pure teuchter thit hud tae learn the leid when ah went tae yooni, like.

But talkin' aboot ersebandits, ye micht want tae take a wee swatch at this prick ower on the politics forum, who doesnae seem tae like fowk fae Scotland ower much:

I can see what's going to happen. You're going to publish a book wherein the Standard English phrase, "Can you direct me to the railway station?" is tranlated into your crazy moon language as "please fondle my buttocks". I STILL can't get used to the sinister machinations of the NWO. Sometimes I think I'm just not cut out to be a part of the Conspiracy. :(

Foolmewunz
18th May 2007, 10:25 PM
Dinnae ask me, ken; yer the wan fae Glesga! Ahm just a pure teuchter thit hud tae learn the leid when ah went tae yooni, like.

But talkin' aboot ersebandits, ye micht want tae take a wee swatch at this prick ower on the politics forum, who doesnae seem tae like fowk fae Scotland ower much:

Oh, noes! I knew this would happen one day. Respected erudite members of the JREF Forum have been beating their heads against the brick wall that is the "Truth Movement" for so long, that they are vulnerable to attack from the demon underworld.

They're speaking in tongues! Someone call Max von Sydow to do the exorcism!

MG1962
18th May 2007, 10:34 PM
They're speaking in tongues! Someone call Max von Sydow to do the exorcism!

Na only works us Catholics

jhunter1163
19th May 2007, 12:17 AM
I can see what's going to happen. You're going to publish a book wherein the Standard English phrase, "Can you direct me to the railway station?" is tranlated into your crazy moon language as "please fondle my buttocks". I STILL can't get used to the sinister machinations of the NWO. Sometimes I think I'm just not cut out to be a part of the Conspiracy. :(

Well, that answers questions about a certain incident in a Glasgow pub a couple years ago...

CptColumbo
19th May 2007, 12:43 AM
If by some quirk of fate I end up in a theatre showing LC:FC, one of these will probably be my reaction.
tu_cajjDbNc
Most likely the one about the rats.

ref
19th May 2007, 01:25 AM
Was there anything worth mentioning on the Alex Jones show? If anyone had the nerves to listen to that :p

qarnos
19th May 2007, 01:43 AM
Isn't it a bit late in the game to be signing on an executive producer? I thought it was almost finished?? :rolleyes:

ref
19th May 2007, 02:00 AM
Isn't it a bit late in the game to be signing on an executive producer? I thought it was almost finished?? :rolleyes:

The guys at LC speculated, that this was proof of Cuban not being involved anymore.

CptColumbo
19th May 2007, 02:03 AM
or maybe he invested alot of money. How much did they need again? Should the IRS be informed or are they to busy with Michael Moore?

Brainster
19th May 2007, 02:10 AM
The guys at LC speculated, that this was proof of Cuban not being involved anymore.

Cuban appears to have been out of the picture for about a month.

ref
19th May 2007, 02:14 AM
Cuban appears to have been out of the picture for about a month.

Ok. And this Alex Jones thing casts even more doubt over the theatrical release. It would be likely that it is released straight on DVD like all Alex Jones films. And then played on a couple of conferences maybe.

JamesB
19th May 2007, 07:22 AM
Was there anything worth mentioning on the Alex Jones show? If anyone had the nerves to listen to that :p

Jones did say that SLC was a "Pentagon operation". And here I don't even make Pat salute me anymore. And I have relaxed the dress code from full dress uniform to anonymous black jumpsuits.

ref
19th May 2007, 08:02 AM
Jones did say that SLC was a "Pentagon operation". And here I don't even make Pat salute me anymore. And I have relaxed the dress code from full dress uniform to anonymous black jumpsuits.

Oh, a Pentagon operation. Then you must be the guys who planted the debris there too. And faked the fat Osama video. It all falls in place now.

JamesB
19th May 2007, 08:13 AM
Oh, a Pentagon operation. Then you must be the guys who planted the debris there too. And faked the fat Osama video. It all falls in place now.

No, Cheney did the video. I kept on trying to explain to him the difference between PAL and NTSC, but Dick just does not listen.

Civilized Worm
19th May 2007, 08:24 AM
Jones did say that SLC was a "Pentagon operation". And here I don't even make Pat salute me anymore. And I have relaxed the dress code from full dress uniform to anonymous black jumpsuits.


I assume that that's been "admitted" and "confirmed"?

ref
19th May 2007, 08:27 AM
No, Cheney did the video. I kept on trying to explain to him the difference between PAL and NTSC, but Dick just does not listen.

Damn that Dick. He's too Loose, we might have to Change him. This is the Final Cut for this guy. If he Screw's up one more time, we have make it look like one of those 9/11 Mysteries. And we have to make sure, that no one can Press For Truth. We have to create a distractive Terrorstorm. Because nobody messes with the Pentacon.

CHF
19th May 2007, 08:57 AM
Oh dear, so after all that hype, LCFC will be just another Terrorstorm.

:dl:

ref
19th May 2007, 08:59 AM
Oh dear, so after all that hype, LCFC will be just another Terrorstorm.

:dl:

Wouldn't that be something :D

Mince
19th May 2007, 01:42 PM
I see they have the heavyweights of the film industy constructing this video. Is there a big enough LOL for this? I don't typically use pedestrian internet acronyms, but I want to put it in terms truthers can understand.


**BTW: Loose change isn't a film and none of the "producers" are film-makers. Even the worst films with the lowest budgets have some degree of creative and artistic merit to them. Loose change is nothing but audio and video clips edited together with speculative (and sometimes fraudulent) voice-over. As a film school student (starting in the fall), I find any comparison of Avery, et. al., to actual film-makers, blatantly offensive.

8den
19th May 2007, 02:01 PM
I see they have the heavyweight of the film industy constructing this video. Is there a big enough LOL for this? I don't typically use pedestrian internet acronyms, but I want to put it in terms truthers can understand.


**BTW: Loose change isn't a film and none of the "producers" are film-makers. Even the worst films with the lowest budgets have some degree of creative and artistic merit to them. Loose change is nothing but audio and video clips edited together with speculative (and sometimes fraudulent) voice-over. As a film school student (starting in the fall), I find any comparison of Avery, et. al., to actual film-makers, blatantly offensive.

Trust me Avery's and his ilk populate television/film and surface with their "movies" with depressing frequency.

Enjoy the experience young whipper snapper its the only time in your life when you're be handed cameras and film, and equipment, and told "hey! go nuts!"

NoZed Avenger
19th May 2007, 06:37 PM
Enjoy the experience young whipper snapper its the only time in your life when you're be handed cameras and film, and equipment, and told "hey! go nuts!"

Careful there. Avery took that last bit too, too literally.

8den
19th May 2007, 07:57 PM
Careful there. Avery took that last bit too, too literally.

*L* most of us had a documentary lecturer discussing the ins and out of what was allowed to be said in a documentary, I guess Dylan missed, oh wait Dylan didn't qualify for that class.

Explains so much

slingblade
19th May 2007, 10:17 PM
Ach havers, yer' jus' jealous cos ye dinnae understand.

:p

ETA: I wonder if that's how CTers feel when real technical experts talk? Perhaps they're so aggrieved because they only understand one word in ten?


Aye, they should jist likesay choose life, ken?