9/11 Deniers Speak - Ground Zero Edition

[MarkyX]

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1287461440043399975&hl=en-CA

Enjoy.

EDIT: The old link a few of you received is NOT the same version as above.

[JAStewart]

Awesome!

Thanks a lot, love these things!!

What the Frenchtoast... "911 was a CFR job"??

CFR??

[MarkyX]

Council of Foreign Relations...

[JAStewart]

such a bad chant...

Seen the debate between mark and alex before, its hilarious.

[Par]

That's exactly what I came to ask.

Good job, by the way.

[JAStewart]

I think that the libertarian dude at the end was a bit pointless but otherwise it was brilliant!

[Brainache]

My one tiny complaint is that there wasn't enough Abby in the video, she is so good at doing those Jedi mind tricks on Jason. Apart from that, it was very well done.

[MarkyX]

I think that the libertarian dude at the end was a bit pointless but otherwise it was brilliant!

I didn't think so. I wanted someone who is pretty much fed up with this entire notion and tells it as it is. I want the viewer in the end to pretty much agree that 9/11 conspiracy theorists is mainly nonsense and insulting due to the unscientific and accusation nature of the movement.

[Architect]

I think that the libertarian dude at the end was a bit pointless but otherwise it was brilliant!

Mate, ah dinnae get this whole US use of "liberal" and libertarian. Can ye do us a favour and explain it in Scottish political terms?

:boggled:

[MarkyX]

Libertarian wants small government and little taxes. They don't like the idea of the government being a great influence over their lives or trying to pretend they are a business (ex: Canadian Health care). In a sense, they believe government should only cover the basics like having a military to defend the country or maintaining roads.

[JAStewart]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian

[Civilized Worm]

I have even more respect for Gravy after watching that. I don't think I could stand Alex Jones yelling "strawman" at everything for very long before wanting to throttle him. The man's calm in the face of unrelenting insanity is amazing.

[Unsecured Coins]

Abby SMOKED Bermas. But the PASS device scene did give me chills, though.

[The Doc]

Very nicely done Marky :)

I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[Architect]

Libertarian wants small government and little taxes. They don't like the idea of the government being a great influence over their lives or trying to pretend they are a business (ex: Canadian Health care). In a sense, they believe government should only cover the basics like having a military to defend the country or maintaining roads.


Aha! Nuts!! Fair enough.

[Par]

I have even more respect for Gravy after watching that. I don't think I could stand Alex Jones yelling "strawman" at everything for very long before wanting to throttle him. The man's calm in the face of unrelenting insanity is amazing.

Indeed. Especially given the fact Jones was flanked by a pair of adolescent, posturing buffoons.

[MarkyX]

Hope this gets some popularity like the first one.

[Calcas]

Great job Mark.

I like the Libertarian's summary at the end.

[3bodyproblem]

I'm not gonna say it was a good video, BUT IT WAS A GOOD VIDEO!

[kookbreaker]

Who was that Masked Libertarian?

[chippy]

I love it when they chant "9/11 was an inside job!" Do they know that a chant in 7/4 time sounds really awkward? The musician in me cringes when such bad rhythm comes out.

[ref]

I just started to watch it, and I already like it. It has DJ Shadow soundtrack :)

[Foolmewunz]

I particularly like the sycophant brats with Jones, baby!

[Pardalis]

Great work Marky.

I never saw that footage of little Alex Jones running after those military personnel. He looks so pathetic.

It think these soldiers have the right attitude, just ignoring theses idiots may be the best thing to do after all.

[3bodyproblem]

Mark, the sound goes really low at one point, i forgot to write it down, i'm sure someone else will remember.

[kookbreaker]

What I enjoyed was that when Jones was losing and cried out to the crowd "Who beleives 911 was in inside job?". There was cheering behind him, but it was more like 6 people overwhelming a microphone than a crowd. Most of those folks in front of the camera weren't cheering much.

[ref]

That was a very good video. It had some footage I had never seen.

Is Abby a JREF member?

[Pardalis]

Mark, the sound goes really low at one point, i forgot to write it down, i'm sure someone else will remember.

It's the interview with Mike Walters.

[bje]

Great job, Mark. Alex Jones is wackier than I thought and nervous as hell in face of Gravy's calm, rational, persistent questioning.

It makes one realize that we are indeed all watching the slow-motion implosion of the 9/11 Truth Movement.

[Garb]

What was with Alex Jones droning on about voice prints?

[Undesired Walrus]

I particularly like the sycophant brats with Jones, baby!

I know what you......baby

Thats what I'm talking about......baby

I need a girlfriend.......baby

Am I even listening.....baby?

[Puggy]

Alex Jones: YOU build straw man

later

Alex Jones: This guy believes the pentagon didn't have cameras.

:rolleyes:

[Quad4_72]

Great job. Very well done.

[Pardalis]

Alex Jones: YOU build straw man

later

Alex Jones: This guy believes the pentagon didn't have cameras.

:rolleyes:

psst. Alex Jones doesn't know what 'strawman' means.

[8den]

What was with Alex Jones droning on about voice prints?

I don't know I think he saw an episode of CSI Las Vegas, and Grisham did a voice spectrum anaylsis and decided to meld reality with fiction, again.

MarkyX it's an excellent piece, your asides are clever and draw out the main points, and I love the DJ shadow at the start. Just a minor, minor piffly technical point, you've got a flash frame in or around the 54s mark.

[Gorgonian]

I love it when they chant "9/11 was an inside job!" Do they know that a chant in 7/4 time sounds really awkward? The musician in me cringes when such bad rhythm comes out.

I was going to let this pass, but the musician in me just can't do it. :)

Actually they were doing 8 beats. The 7 you are thinking of and a one beat rest. So it actually kind of worked rhtyhmically, though it was still awkward.

ETA: I thought Abby was kind of cute. Then I saw she was smoking. Ick.

[Comsat Angel]

Perhaps a more appropriate DJ Shadow track would be "High Noon"?

After seeing that, I have to wonder at the internal fortitude of Gravy at not grasping Alex Jones by the throat until empurplement ensues. Mr Jones appears to resort to every trick in the book to avoid answering questions, and when he runs out of resorts, he falls back on shouting "strawman". I do not think this means what he thinks it means.

Also, Gravy in the flesh is *scarily* akin to Robert de Niro, even down to the mannerisms. Frankly, if I were a twoofer, I'd think twice before even approaching him. In fact, I'm surprised some twoofers haven't put up screen-caps of Robert de Niro from The Deer Hunter, then claimed that these were "Mark Roberts - IN HIS REAL OCCUPATION!!!!"

Yon Libertarian at the end practically sums up the whole critique of the Twoofers in a couple of minutes.

I also notice the absence of Twoofer legal actions against the FDNY.

[MarkyX]

Right now I'm trying to get this up on several blogs but so far not much response. I'm surprised with all the recent talk with Rosie and the upcoming appearance of the Loose Change boys on The View.

[Brainache]

That was a very good video. It had some footage I had never seen.

Is Abby a JREF member?

Yes she is, but she seems to have gotten herself a life and doesn't post here much anymore.

She made a GZ video too:

http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/showthread.php?t=63361&highlight=conspiracy+wars

[kookbreaker]

ETA: I thought Abby was kind of cute. Then I saw she was smoking. Ick.

FRom Abby's blog: (http://abbyscott.blogspot.com/2006/09/i-know-i-know-last-one-for-now.html)

Also, for any relatives and/or friends of relatives and anyone else I've ever met, I have two puffs of one cigarette once every other year to keep me from throttling prancing nutjobs

[8den]

Yes she is, but she seems to have gotten herself a life

Li-efe? What is this li-efe that you hu mans speak of?

Frankly I admire her ability, and Mark's ability to demostrate a nigh on superhuman level of self restraint in dealing with Bermas and Jones, at length respectively, and not gripping them by the noses using a pair of long nose pliers and sticking Alex and Bermas' heads between the driver and passenger doors respectively and then slamming the doors shut again and again while chanting "you will stop posting hateful lies" over and over*



*or as an alternatively puinishment he could sit on my couch and endure my dogs farting for an evening. I swear the low sharp hiss of a fart is like a cross between a lethal silencer combined with the effectiveness, of a chemical weapon.

[Kryptos]

As always, awesome job with the video. The video clip from the doctor sure is chilling, and to cut away from that to Bermas speaks volume.

Video definitely needs to be seen.

[Kryptos]

Hope you don't mind that I posted it here:
http://www.debunk911myths.org/

[MarkyX]

As always, awesome job with the video. The video clip from the doctor sure is chilling, and to cut away from that to Bermas speaks volume.

Video definitely needs to be seen.

Yeah, when I found out about the PASS devices and watched that video, it really scared the crap out of me. Then I saw Bermas, along with majority of truthers, accusing the NYFD of being paid off...

Nothing yet on the Blogs. I was hoping to get this on HotAir because last time their endorsement really made 9/11 Deniers a hit.

[8den]

Yeah, when I found out about the PASS devices and watched that video, it really scared the crap out of me. Then I saw Bermas, along with majority of truthers, accusing the NYFD of being paid off...

Nothing yet on the Blogs. I was hoping to get this on HotAir because last time their endorsement really made 9/11 Deniers a hit.

Its a genuine and heartbreakingly chilling moment. I've watched that video dozens of times and just assumed it was car alarms going off.

[Abbyas]

Excellent video.

Hello, don't post much here too often. My risk of heart attack goes up too much after reading about these guys.

And, yes, I was much embarrassed about the smoking. I severely disappointed the parents of my tween fan club. But thanks otherwise!

[gumboot]

I hated the scene with the PASS devices... :(

-Gumboot

[LashL]

I hated the scene with the PASS devices... :(

-Gumboot

It is heart-wrenching, indeed. But, also educational, and incredibly effective when juxtaposed against that loudmouth Bermas claiming that the firefighters were paid off.

[gumboot]

It is heart-wrenching, indeed. But, also educational, and incredibly effective when juxtaposed against that loudmouth Bermas claiming that the firefighters were paid off.


I agree. Sometimes the insensitivity of the Truth Movement is truly staggering, such as how they throw about Chief Palmer's broadcast from the 78th floor and fixate on the "two isolated pockets of fire" and ignore the "multiple 10-45 code ones" that denoted fatalities.

-Gumboot

[Unsecured Coins]

ETA: I thought Abby was kind of cute. Then I saw she was smoking. Ick.


She's STILL cute, cig in hand and all. But a quick note for the next dude that gets her on film...

please keep the lens above the nips, K?

[Foolmewunz]

I was going to let this pass, but the musician in me just can't do it. :)

Actually they were doing 8 beats. The 7 you are thinking of and a one beat rest. So it actually kind of worked rhtyhmically, though it was still awkward.

ETA: I thought Abby was kind of cute. Then I saw she was smoking. Ick.

I was going to let this pass, but the poet in me just can't do it. :spjimlad:

"9-1-1 was an in-side job"
8 beats, no rest
da-da-da-da-da-dit-da-da

What they were chanting in the AJ portion is the painful one.
"9-1-1 was a C-F-R job"
9 bets, crush CFR together in a hurry
da-da-da-da-da-ditditditdit-da

Another classic from Tom Lehrer, The Folk Song Army

The tune don't have to be clever,
And it don't matter if you put a coupla extra syllables into a line.
It sounds more ethnic if it ain't good English,
And it don't even gotta rhyme--excuse me--rhyne.

[The Demon's Head]

I love it when they chant "9/11 was an inside job!" Do they know that a chant in 7/4 time sounds really awkward? The musician in me cringes when such bad rhythm comes out.

The LIHOP MIHOP theme song is the better tune.

[Unsecured Coins]

I still haven't heard that one

[LashL]

I agree. Sometimes the insensitivity of the Truth Movement is truly staggering, such as how they throw about Chief Palmer's broadcast from the 78th floor and fixate on the "two isolated pockets of fire" and ignore the "multiple 10-45 code ones" that denoted fatalities.

-Gumboot

Indeed. That is a good example, gumboot, of how members of the "Truth Movement" ignore and distort reality, context, and meaning. In the case of Chief Palmer, they use only the words that they think support their misguided, uneducated views. It is quite sickening how they distort the truth in their alleged quest for "Truth."

[/derail]

[back on topic]

It is good to see members of the "Truth Movement" exposed as the frauds and liars that they are by their own words.

[LashL]

I still haven't heard that one

You don't want to, Unsecured Coins.

No, really.









(Don't say I didn't warn you. :) )

[Unsecured Coins]

You don't want to, Unsecured Coins.

No, really.









(Don't say I didn't warn you. :) )

Look, Lash, how can I parody it if I can't hear it? And trust me, there's nothing in that song I can't make sound better with a Les Paul going through my Crate, ok? Now lay it on me.

[Foolmewunz]

Look, Lash, how can I parody it if I can't hear it? And trust me, there's nothing in that song I can't make sound better with a Les Paul going through my Crate, ok? Now lay it on me.

U.C. - okay... it's in the end credits (and in the middle of the vid) of Abby's guerrila theatre piece from GZ. But you can't parody a parody - the songs a frakkin' joke; that's why we love it so much.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4162315283354424113&hl=en

Lash tried to warn you. I disavow any brain damage that may occur from listening.

[orphia nay]

Nice work, MarkyX.

A good combination of "WTF did he just say?" moments, twoofers-debunking-themselves moments, hard cold evidence, and chilling reality.

Seeing Gravy in action is the gravy on top.

The libertarian at the end rounded it off perfectly.

Well done. :)


My only criticism is that the Mike Walter segment's audio is not in sync with the video (plus, as mentioned earlier, that bit was too quiet).


Unsecured Coins, I think the LIHOP/MIHOP song is in one of Abby's videos, IIRC. Edit: trumped by Foolmewunz!

[Gorgonian]

Just watched Abby's video. Pretty entertaining. It's kind of bizarre seeing that these are actual people that believe these things and not just message board names. Bizarre and scary. I'm glad there are people like you and Mark to counter the crazy. Keep it up. I'm a fan.

[sivazh]

Ouch! Why are the troofers SO FREAKING LOUD!!!!!!

Do they really think that if they yell the hardest, scream and drown out everyone else that it means that their theories are correct?

Volume equals truth? Sheesh.

Bermas is completely batshiat insane and a screamer to boot. Alex Jones without a bullhorn is almost as bad as Alex Jones with a bullhorn.

Also, wasn't it funny to hear Alex accuse Mark of "strawman arguments" and then watch him turn to the crowd and make his "George Bush tells you nothing but the truth" speech?

[qarnos]

The African Muslim at the start hit the nail on the head.

You're standing right here, disrespecting the people who died here.
I don't care about the CIA assets - I care about the people who died here.
You disrespecting them.
It don't matter [inaudible], it don't matter, it don't matter.
You disrespecting the people.
It don't matter, it don't matter, it don't matter, it don't matter.
Keep your questions to yourself for today.

They can do this s**t any day of the year. Why this day?

[MarkyX]

What really annoyed me is the 9/11 Deniers were saying that HE was being disrespectful because he was "yelling".

What is wrong with these people?

[3bodyproblem]

Mr Jones appears to resort to every trick in the book to avoid answering questions, and when he runs out of resorts, he falls back on shouting "strawman". I do not think this means what he thinks it means.



I'm glad you pointed that out Comsat, I don't think he knows either. It's pure rhetoric/[rule8] out of his mouth. Someone should nail his arse on this at their earliest convenience.

[qarnos]

What really annoyed me is the 9/11 Deniers were saying that HE was being disrespectful because he was "yelling".

What is wrong with these people?

I think that was Jack Blood? I'm not as familiar with the faces of the 9/11 truth bowel movement as some.

BTW, Gravy (if your reading), did you ever get your six-pack of beer? If not, I'll send you one! :D

[Unsecured Coins]

Good god that song was terrible....

fortunatley, I have written some better muzak for it. who wants to do vocals?

[CHF]

Wow, Alex Jones sure doesn't like being asked about the FDNY and WTC7.

What a hissy fit!

[8den]

Wow, Alex Jones sure doesn't like being asked about the FDNY and WTC7.

What a hissy fit!

He's peeing on the graves of dead heroes, he can't go, not if you're watching. Thats why he hates people pointing this out.

[chipmunk stew]

I was going to let this pass, but the musician in me just can't do it. :)

Actually they were doing 8 beats. The 7 you are thinking of and a one beat rest. So it actually kind of worked rhtyhmically, though it was still awkward.
The seven beats included the rest:

NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
(1)NINE e (2)LE ven (3)WAS an (4)IN (5)SIDE (6)JOB (7)[REST]
etc.

A two beat rest would have worked:
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST] [REST]
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST] [REST]
etc.

edit:
Although a better chant would have been:
NINE ONE ONE WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
NINE ONE ONE WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
etc.

[kookbreaker]

The seven beats included the rest:

NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
(1)NINE e (2)LE ven (3)WAS an (4)IN (5)SIDE (6)JOB (7)[REST]
etc.

A two beat rest would have worked:
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST] [REST]
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST] [REST]
etc.

edit:
Although a better chant would have been:
NINE ONE ONE WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
NINE ONE ONE WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
etc.

PASTies and a G-string, BEER and a SHOT!




Sorry, I got caught up in the beat. I'll go over here.

[qarnos]

The seven beats included the rest:

NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
(1)NINE e (2)LE ven (3)WAS an (4)IN (5)SIDE (6)JOB (7)[REST]
etc.

A two beat rest would have worked:
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST] [REST]
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST] [REST]
etc.

edit:
Although a better chant would have been:
NINE ONE ONE WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
NINE ONE ONE WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
etc.

It sounds to me like the Bo Diddley figure :D

ETA: The chant, from memory, was eight beats.

1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & 5 & 6 & 7 & 8 &

So you would sing it as "1 2 & & 4 & 5 6 7"

[Gorgonian]

The seven beats included the rest:

NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
(1)NINE e (2)LE ven (3)WAS an (4)IN (5)SIDE (6)JOB (7)[REST]
etc.

A two beat rest would have worked:
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST] [REST]
NINE e LE ven WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST] [REST]
etc.

edit:
Although a better chant would have been:
NINE ONE ONE WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
NINE ONE ONE WAS an IN SIDE JOB [REST]
etc.

I remember it more like:

1 Nine
2 E
3 Leven
4 Was an
5 In
6 Side
7 Job
8 Rest

If that's not how it was, I apologize, but that is certainly the way I would do phrase it.

In other words: One Two Three and Four and One Two Three (Rest).

Anyway, whatever, hehe

[qarnos]

I remember it more like:

1 Nine
2 E
3 Leven
4 Was an
5 In
6 Side
7 Job
8 Rest

If that's not how it was, I apologize, but that is certainly the way I would do phrase it.

In other words: One Two Three and Four and One Two Three (Rest).

Anyway, whatever, hehe

I can't watch the video again until I get home, but the version above would result in a very long "E" in the Eleven. "Nine EeeeLeven", which doesn't sound right.

[boloboffin]

On the vid, they are very definitely using seven beats, not eight for both chants. It is very unnerving to listen to.

[LashL]

On the vid, they are very definitely using seven beats, not eight for both chants. It is very unnerving to listen to.

Definitely seven beats:

1. Nine-e
2. Leven
3. Was an
4. In
5. Side
6. Job
7. Rest

Alternatively,

1. Nine
2. Eleven
3. Was an
4. In
5. Side
6. Job
7. Rest

It was an affront to the ears when they tried to cram the "9/11 was a CFR job" chant into the same seven beat rhythm.

[Gorgonian]

Ugh. Watched it again and you were right. I apologize.

It could've been much better my way, but they way they did it is just brutal. 7 beat chant!

[OMGturt1es]

i watched about half of this video earlier today, and i aboslutely enjoyed it! i'll be watching the rest in an hour, i think.

thanks much!

[OMGturt1es]

i just watched the the video all the way through. excellent job. i also thought the libertarian's quote at the end worked well.

and i cannot imagine how frustrating it must be from abby and mark to debate these crazies at ground zero. i've had my share, and it was certainly frustrating, but nothing can compare to alex jones' crazy ****iing rantings...

watching it through just makes my blood boil...

[Gravy]

Thanks for causing my blood pressure to hit the ceiling again, Mark. I'm sending you my oatmeal bill. Can your next video be of puppies and kittens frolicking, please? ;)

Gawd, those encounters seem like they were years ago. I met Willie Rodriguez shortly after that Alex Jones encounter.

[MarkyX]

What really makes the video somewhat funny, from my view, is that even after all these months and being debunked, they are still spouting this nonsense as if it were true.

With the recent "debate" on a Truther radio between Jason and Pat, Jason still brings up the molten "steel" to the mix.

[PhantomWolf]

How those marines resisted the temptation to grind him face first into the pavement I don't know. True military discipline there.

[PhantomWolf]

I decided to take up Mark's challenge to Alex and co and looked him up.

Wasn't that hard.....

Congratz on the top score there Gravy.


edited to remove the images at Gravy's request.