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CHF
19th May 2007, 10:48 AM
Given that the "truth movement" claims that the government killed 3,000 of its own citizens in an amazingly complex operation to justify endless war abroad and a police state at home, and given that they claim to be millions strong, you'd think they'd be doing more than spamming message boards and making youtube flicks.

So I thought I'd compile a list of really obvious things that you twoofers out there should be doing if you were at all serious about this as opposed to playing wannabe revolutionaries from behind your PCs (to any twoofers reading, consider this a list of tips)

1) Contact engineers and demolition pros and present them with the evidence of demolitions that is supposedly so obvious and overwhelming

2) Contact air crash investigators with proof that Flights 77 and 93 did not crash (or whatever the story is now)

3) Contact experts in foreign lands to avoid the problem of local experts being tainted by government grants, contracts or intimidation

4) Contact the NYPD/FDNY who reported "explosions" on 9/11 to get further comment and clarification (some FDNY/police twoofers would be a powerful endorsement)

5) Contact Ground Zero clean up workers and ask them about "thermite cuts" and "molten steel" (that one's for you, Steven Jones)

6) Take the inside-job evidence and show it to as many US military personnel as possible (their support will be key in the event of a twoofer revolution)

7) Gather up all the brightest minds in the movement and come up with a narrative that you can more-or-less agree on (ie. thermite vs C4, Flight 93 landed vs shot down, Flight 77 vs missile). Failing to agree on a story makes it look like you’re just making stuff up, and you don’t want anyone to know that.

8) Contact Larry Silverstein’s insurers and tell them that he, for some reason, admitted to blowing up WTC7 with that "pull it" remark (also find out why demolition pros think the term means "pull down with cables" and not "blow up with explosives")

9) Contact the FDNY and ask why they claimed (hours before it fell) that WTC7 was going to collapse from structural failure resulting from WTC tower debris and raging fires. Their testimony is a big, big problem for the demolition theory...unless you don't mind accusing the FDNY of a cover-up and I know none of you want to go there. Well except maybe Jason Burmas...

10) Have your research peer-reviewed in established engineering/science journals. Starting your own "peer-review" journal like Stephen Jones did makes it look like you’re scared of peer-review. And you’re not. You’re brave, fearless warriors for truth!

11) Stage massive rallies in the streets of America and the world. Nothing makes people stand up and take notice like a massive crowd tens of thousands strong.

12) Stop wearing those black "investigate 9/11" t-shirts. They’re kinda creepy.

13) Kick the Holocaust Deniers/neo-Nazis out of the movement. This means not inviting them to conferences or citing their work in your videos and papers (ie. no American Free Press)

14) Start political parties to capitalize on that "84%" that Alex Jones always talks about. Give the voters the alternative they’re clearly so desperate for.

15) Pool your money to hire a team of experts (like PM did) to FINALLY get some authoritative backing. Theology professors just don’t cut it.

16) Pool your money and buy some plane tickets to the Middle East to find those alive hijackers, a find that would make front page headlines around the world (yes, Mr. Griffin, your movement does in fact have enough...uh...loose change) As for Mr. Barrett...he obvously didn't look in the right places.

17) Come up with a logical reason why the 9/11 plotters didn’t plant WMD in Iraq. This problem blows away the notion that Bush/Cheney are the evil geniuses that they’d have to be in order to pull off 9/11.

18) Offer protection to any whisteblowers who want to come forward but are too scared (maybe the spare room at Dylan’s place?)

19) Debate critics at every opportunity (*cough* Kevin Ryan)

20) Hurry the hell up! Are you waiting for Bush to leave office??? :boggled:


So far twoofers appear to be a pitiful 1-for-20.

Anyone else have any suggestions?

uk_dave
19th May 2007, 10:59 AM
Anyone else have any suggestions?

You pretty much said it all.

Now the question is, why don't they do any of these things?

Could it be that their belief is not strong enough to require them to change their own lives? Does the 'truth' only merit spending endless hours on your computer talking but not doing?
Is the 'truth' not worth selling your house and goods for, in order to finance the investigations which would vindicate your beliefs and bring to justice those who you believe were responsible for the murder of 3000 US citizens?

Some 'truthers' seem to dream of a 60's style revolution, of the chance to look back in 30 years time and tell their grandchildren "I was there". But they don't have the balls to do anything because, ultimately, they have that nagging doubt that maybe they aren't right.

'Truthers' know that their movement is based on lies. Mistakes and misinterpretations have been debunked but the 'truthers' haven't corrected their story. They are wilfully lieing to people.

So it's not too hard to imagine that they are also lieing to themselves.

CHF
19th May 2007, 11:13 AM
Is the 'truth' not worth selling your house and goods for, in order to finance the investigations which would vindicate your beliefs and bring to justice those who you believe were responsible for the murder of 3000 US citizens?

They wouldn't even have to do that. They already have a huge cash fund called Charlie Sheen, Jimmy Walters, Rosie, book sales and LC DVD sales.

Yet they refuse to crack the piggybank to fund any sort of investigation.

It's almost as if they don't really want a new investigation :rolleyes:

CHF
19th May 2007, 11:47 AM
I posed my list of 20 recomendations on 911blogger and have been swiftly banned.

Twoofers hate having their laziness pointed out.

Mince
19th May 2007, 12:40 PM
Don't forget the pedestrian, amateur, public access radio shows. Those are certainly uber-effective.


Pfft.

HeyLeroy
19th May 2007, 01:33 PM
Every troofer I come into contact with who claims to have 'irrefutable evidence', I ask 'em if they've contacted a US attorneys' office.

I'll give you three guesses as to their response, and the first two don't count.

twinstead
19th May 2007, 01:38 PM
Every troofer I come into contact with who claims to have 'irrefutable evidence', I ask 'em if they've contacted a US attorneys' office.

I'll give you three guesses as to their response, and the first two don't count.

This stems from an obvious fundamental difference of opinion about the definition of 'irrefutable evidence' between the truthers and us.

HeyLeroy
19th May 2007, 02:16 PM
IMO, they know what they have is pasture-pucks. That's why they stick to teh interwebs instead of trying to, you know, contact law enforcement.

MG1962
19th May 2007, 03:55 PM
11) Stage massive rallies in the streets of America and the world. Nothing makes people stand up and take notice like a massive crowd tens of thousands strong.


This is the one that has always worried me. If I genuinely thought my country had engineered the deaths of three thousand of it's own citizens, I would be running every play in the Ghandi playbook and then some.

Seriously - if we accept they engineered it - Then we must consider the government is on par with Hitler and Stalin. Such a government running a country widely respected as the leader of the Western World would have to intollerable to its inhabitants.........or so you would think

Would you sit there and do nothing???????

Imagine if the same government tried to repeal the 2nd Amendment - Would there be room for the gun lobby to hold their protest rallies?

gumboot
19th May 2007, 03:59 PM
21) Get a girlfriend.

-Gumboot

JC Fla
19th May 2007, 04:05 PM
Hmph...confuse truth and facts with troofers? Why ruin a perfectly good conspiracy theory with hard data? Without this theory what are they? Film school dropouts, bad website designers and sad characters living in mom's basement. I know this comes off a bit harsh, but, well, there it is.

Gumboot: Target. Cease Fire. Clear and elevate. Clear the range.

kerikiwi
19th May 2007, 04:07 PM
Why would you assume that all of them are lesbians?
Some of them might prefer men.
;)

JimBenArm
19th May 2007, 04:09 PM
22. Finish their homework.

Architect
19th May 2007, 04:10 PM
21) Get a real girlfriend.



Fixed. No need to thank me.

bje
19th May 2007, 04:16 PM
7) Gather up all the brightest minds in the movement and come up with a narrative that you can more-or-less agree on (ie. thermite vs C4, Flight 93 landed vs shot down, Flight 77 vs missile). Failing to agree on a story makes it look like you’re just making stuff up, and you don’t want anyone to know that.

That is essentially what we've been trying to do for 5 years. Whenever we ask 9/11 Truthers to present a cohesive, plausible scenario, with evidence, on how a plot to blow up three skyscrapers and crash something into the Pentagon, could be planned and successfully executed with a "few people" and kept secret all this time, we never get an answer from them.

I agree with your approach. What we have to do is continually thrust your list in their faces using 911Blogger's byline, "Ask Questions, Demand Answers." Inundate them with it, post it on all our blogs.

CHF
19th May 2007, 04:17 PM
Some funny quotes from 911blogger on this list:

We don't need ANY engineer or professor IF we ARE the majority!That list looks like it was composed by a ten year old with no grasp of the Military-Congressional-Industrial Complex that truly run this country.

In other words the forces they are against are simply too strong for them to do anything but post crap on message boards.

I believe that's called an excuse to do nothing.

gumboot
19th May 2007, 04:20 PM
Fixed. No need to thank me.


You might be asking a bit much of them there. No need for them to be fussy.

-Gumboot

gumboot
19th May 2007, 04:25 PM
Some funny quotes from 911blogger on this list:





In other words the forces they are against are simply too strong them to do anything but post crap on message boards.

I believe that's called an excuse to do nothing.



Military-Congressional-Industrial Complex?

WTF.

-Gumboot

slyjoe
19th May 2007, 04:31 PM
23) Learn correct terms.
24) Move out of Mom's.

bje
19th May 2007, 04:34 PM
I posed my list of 20 recomendations on 911blogger and have been swiftly banned.

Twoofers hate having their laziness pointed out.

I see Jon Gold, the 9/11 Truth Movement's number one coward, got uppity with you.

capracus
19th May 2007, 04:36 PM
21) Get a girlfriend.

-GumbootSomeone who can satisfy both their physical and intellectual needs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_doll

sivazh
20th May 2007, 06:33 AM
Yes, if the troofers believe they have cracked the case of 9/11 and that it was indeed the US government that planned the conspiracy and murdered 3000 of its own citizens, then WHY have they not gone to the steps necessary to bring justice for these murders?

Why not contact each US attorney and start the criminal investigation? How can they sit back and just watch all of this happen since they know the troof?

Doesn't this make them just as complicit in the coverup as all those they claim are CIA assets? Actually, doesn't it make them more complicit?