Help with upcoming truther debate (hijacker evidence)

[Rrramon]

I am going to be on a cable access show in a couple weeks debating a 9/11 Truther, which I will of course post here to get everybody's feedback. The first topic is the existence of the 19 hijackers. So far on my list of evidence I've got 1)the phone calls from passengers talking about the hijackers and 2)the forensic remains found at the crash sites. Does anybody else have anything that plainly proves that there were 19 hijackers?

[defaultdotxbe]

http://pics.xbehome.com/thumbnails.php?album=4

those are the passenger lists with the 19 hijackers on them

[PhantomWolf]

There's the security footage of Atta and others at various airports and the testimony of Michael Tuohey (http://www.atca.org/singlenews.asp?item_ID=2493&comm=0) who was the ticket counter operator at Portland Airport and dealt with Mohamed Atta and Abdul Aziz Alomari.

[R.Mackey]

The "Martyr" videos aired by Al-Jazeera are practically impossible to explain away.

Check out Gravy's awesome new resource -- the page dealing with the hijackers is here (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/linkstoterrorism%2Calqaedainfo). That ought to prepare you for anything.

[gumboot]

Yeah there's ample evidence as mentioned. There is video evidence of the hijackers for all flights except UA93 going through airport security.

-Gumboot

[PhantomWolf]

Oh, forgot the CPVR from Flight 93 as well.

[Rrramon]

Thanks, guys.

Does anybody have any specific info regarding the flight training, quotes from the flight instructors, etc? I know this is gonna come up and want to be prepared for it.

[Arus808]

read over the Screw Loose Change Viewer's guide - it addresses everything and also on the hijakcers. YOu can also go to 911myths.com and debunking911.com as they have sections on the hijackers too.

[Architect]

Remember to remind them that this is a boxcutter, and ask them why it would be impossible for this to seriously injure someone. Especially if they were strapped into (say) a pilot's chair and unable to fight back.

[ref]

If I may be of any help, here are answers to some common hijacker claims put together a while ago.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=75831

[westprog]

Remember to remind them that this is a boxcutter, and ask them why it would be impossible for this to seriously injure someone. Especially if they were strapped into (say) a pilot's chair and unable to fight back.

A question I'd like to see someone ask Jim Fetzer. "You're an ex-marine, right? If you had half a dozen trained marines armed with boxcutters, would you be able to hijack a civilian arab aircraft?"

[Architect]

Let's call them Stanley Knifes.

They're the weapon of choice for Glasgow gangs, and have been responsible for many an injury according to the local polis.

[Arus808]

Let's call them Stanley Knifes.

They're the weapon of choice for Glasgow gangs, and have been responsible for many an injury according to the local polis.


And those who work with box cutters knows that they can be dangerous:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7615/zbos7140xg8.jpg

A girl injured by a Stanley Knife (NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8930/40933238shanni2033007qr.jpg
Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/5121198.stm

Bus driver attacked and killed by person with box cutter, results in crash
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/10/03/bus.crash/


South Korea attack
http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?no=293408&rel_no=1


Japanese School Girl slashed to death by classmate:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3768983.stm
http://web.archive.org/web/20060504043740/http://www.shrinemaiden.com/SaseboSlasher/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada-tan
http://www.worldministries.org/prophecynewsarticles/japan/040809_youth_violence.htm
http://www.4law.co.il/sasebo1.htm

[Par]

Let's call them Stanley Knifes.

They're the weapon of choice for Glasgow gangs, and have been responsible for many an injury according to the local polis.

None as severe as those the result of the infamous Glasgow send-off though.

[Architect]

Whit? :confused:

[gumboot]

Let's not forget that not everyone said they had boxcutters. There were reports of mace, bombs, and regular knives as well.

I don't care how lame you think the knife is, if a screaming crazy terrorist has a bomb strapped to them you are not going to do anything.

-Gumboot

[PhantomWolf]

Let's not forget that not everyone said they had boxcutters. There were reports of mace, bombs, and regular knives as well.

I don't care how lame you think the knife is, if a screaming crazy terrorist has a bomb strapped to them you are not going to do anything.

-Gumboot

Heck is a scream terrorist has something that looks like a bomb, you aren't going to do anything. You probably wouldn't do anything if they just claimed they had one.

[Foolmewunz]

Heck is a scream terrorist has something that looks like a bomb, you aren't going to do anything. You probably wouldn't do anything if they just claimed they had one.

Well, Uncle Fetzer would! He'd just beat 'em to death with his luggage.

I think Ron and Gravy missed a great opportunity in the debates. They should have left four pieces of hand luggage behind Fetzer, and then get three swarthy looking actors come in with something even less threatening, like butter knives, and take over the studio.

The footage of Fetzer not beating them to death with his luggage would've been worth its weight in gold.

[pomeroo]

Well, Uncle Fetzer would! He'd just beat 'em to death with his luggage.

I think Ron and Gravy missed a great opportunity in the debates. They should have left four pieces of hand luggage behind Fetzer, and then get three swarthy looking actors come in with something even less threatening, like butter knives, and take over the studio.

The footage of Fetzer not beating them to death with his luggage would've been worth its weight in gold.



Now, that's funny! Very, very good, Foolmewunz.

[Foolmewunz]

Now, that's funny! Very, very good, Foolmewunz.

If only we'd come up with it earlier! I just watched Mark's first Deniers Speak video again on Sunday, and that smug smirk of his when he's playing to the crowd (I think it was in L.A.) and spouting this b.s. makes me want to reach through the monitor and throttle him.