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Hans
23rd May 2007, 05:23 AM
Ashland Daily Tidings

Sorry cannot post a url (some sore of rule about 15 postings)

[Edited comment: The comments are an editorial not a letter]

May 21, 2007
9/11: The elephant that will not leave
Nearly six years after the attacks of Sept. 11, the issue remains undiminished, lumbering around as American leaders still pretend it does not exist.

But the doors of truth, once guarded by ridicule, have slowly parted to reveal reasonable, rational lingering questions that cannot be dismissed by scoffing. Local area activists have joined a nationwide movement that has propelled the memory of 9/11 into political arenas that once regarded the topic taboo. On Thursday, Southern Oregon University will host David Ray Griffin, a highly regarded theologian and the author of three books questioning the Bush administration's explanation of 9/11.

This local interest, as part of a compelling new level of national interest, shows the issue is pushing its way into mainstream interest.

A Zogby International poll — an agency frequently sourced by media outlets — said half of all New Yorkers believe the U.S. allowed the attacks. Nearly two-thirds believe an unfettered investigation is warranted.

Also entering into the fight for truth is our own Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, whose legislative call for the Central Intelligence Agency to open its investigative reports on 9/11 (reported May 17 by The Associated Press) has raised the ire of his colleagues. Joining together with Jay Rockefeller, D-W. Va, and Kit Bond, D-Mo., Wyden's legislation would require the CIA to declassify its executive summary in one month and submit a report explaining why any material was withheld.

Although initially dismissed as crackpot theory, the truth-seeker's movement has continually gained momentum since the dust cloud from the fallen twin towers seemingly covered the investigative instincts of our national media, which in turn, ignored a third building collapsing in exactly the same manner.

Almost two years later, public outcry finally forced the government to establish the 9/11 Commission as an investigative authority. Four New Jersey widows whose husbands died in the towers created enormous pressure on the federal government.

Despite initial hope, the president's commission became regarded as a hoax by the widows and many others. The truth movement took on new life in the aftermath of the incomplete 9/11 Commission report. In the wake of a wave of distortions and omissions by the government, a number of credible educators and experts in a wide variety of fields have formed groups and organizations seeking to penetrate the stonewall.

The truth movement has now emerged from the caverns of obscurity into the limelight.

Last year, The Tidings called for an open and complete investigation into the questions surrounding the 9/11 mysteries. We believe our nation owes that much to the innocent victims that died that day and to the troops deployed to the Middle East based upon the Bush administration's explanations of the events of 9/11. If the White House has nothing to hide, then why has it been so determined to dodge issues and questions posed by the people?

We renew that call today. We don't pretend to know the truth, but we insist that the whole truth will only be known when newspapers around the country join us in demanding complete openness from our government.

In the meantime, every American interested in truth would do well to revisit this painful issue.

Locally, Griffin's speech at SOU promises to be a good starting point — a forum where we hope many in our community will participate in peaceful candid dialogue.

westprog
23rd May 2007, 05:48 AM
Quite a clever letter. There's no reference to what the 911 truth movement - and in particular, Griffin - are actually claiming - and there's lots of references to widows and victims.

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ref
23rd May 2007, 05:48 AM
That article had a good amount of lies :) But it is a truther article so it's expected.

Untruths in this article:

David Ray Griffin, a highly regarded theologian. (only by truthers, this man gets everything wrong as discussed here before)
A Zogby International poll — an agency frequently sourced by media outlets — said half of all New Yorkers believe the U.S. allowed the attacks. (show me this poll, please, if millions of New Yorkers believe this was a LIHOP, there would have been consequences)
the truth-seeker's movement has continually gained momentum (on the contrary, it is losing its remaining momentum)
our national media, which in turn, ignored a third building collapsing in exactly the same manner (why is it then, that I have seen mainstream newsreports about the WTC7 collapse)
a number of credible educators and experts in a wide variety of fields (show me one)
The truth movement has now emerged from the caverns of obscurity into the limelight. (and ask anyone on the streets, how many even know there is a movement)

coughymachine
23rd May 2007, 06:52 AM
A Zogby International poll — an agency frequently sourced by media outlets — said half of all New Yorkers believe the U.S. allowed the attacks. (show me this poll, please, if millions of New Yorkers believe this was a LIHOP, there would have been consequences)

I'm afraid I can't post links either yet but here is the first 2 paragraphs. Type three W's, then zogby dot com, followed by a "/" and then "news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855"

Released: August 30, 2004
Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

defaultdotxbe
23rd May 2007, 06:58 AM
I'm afraid I can't post links either yet but here is the first 2 paragraphs. Type three W's, then zogby dot com, followed by a "/" and then "news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855"
thast the press release but do yo uknow where to find the actual poll data? i would say the exact question(s) asked and how many people were surveyed

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855 <- for the lazy

coughymachine
23rd May 2007, 07:11 AM
thast the press release but do yo uknow where to find the actual poll data? i would say the exact question(s) asked and how many people were surveyed
Don't know about the questions - I've asked them for the details and will post it here if they respond.

As for numbers polled, the detail is at the foot of the press release.

Zogby International conducted interviews of 808 adults chosen at random in New York State. All calls were made from Zogby International headquarters in Utica, N.Y., from 8/24/04 through 8/26/04. The margin of error is +/- 3.5 percentage points. Slight weights were added to region, party, age, race, religion, and gender to more accurately reflect the population. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

ref
23rd May 2007, 07:15 AM
From that article:

W. David Kubiak, executive director of 911truth.org, the group that commissioned the poll.

Nicholas Levis of NY911truth.org, an advisor on the poll.

The poll was conducted in 2004. It seems the question was somewhat like "do you believe our leaders knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act".

aggle-rithm
23rd May 2007, 07:17 AM
I think almost half of New York City residents polled think that SOMEBODY knew SOMETHING was going to happen SOMEWHERE in the world SOMETIME around Sept. 11, 2001, and didn't act on it. That may be true, but it probably wouldn't have made much difference if they did.

beachnut
23rd May 2007, 07:58 AM
But the doors of truth, once guarded by ridicule, have slowly parted to reveal reasonable, rational lingering questions that cannot be dismissed by scoffing. Local area activists have joined a nationwide movement that has propelled the memory of 9/11 into political arenas that once regarded the topic taboo. On Thursday, Southern Oregon University will host David Ray Griffin, a highly regarded theologian and the author of three books questioning the Bush administration's explanation of 9/11.

Although initially dismissed as crackpot theory, the truth-seeker's movement has continually gained momentum since the dust cloud from the fallen twin towers seemingly covered the investigative instincts of our national media, which in turn, ignored a third building collapsing in exactly the same manner.

Despite initial hope, the president's commission became regarded as a hoax by the widows and many others. The truth movement took on new life in the aftermath of the incomplete 9/11 Commission report. In the wake of a wave of distortions and omissions by the government, a number of credible educators and experts in a wide variety of fields have formed groups and organizations seeking to penetrate the stonewall.

The truth movement has now emerged from the caverns of obscurity into the limelight.

Last year, The Tidings called for an open and complete investigation into the questions surrounding the 9/11 mysteries. We believe our nation owes that much to the innocent victims that died that day and to the troops deployed to the Middle East based upon the Bush administration's explanations of the events of 9/11. If the White House has nothing to hide, then why has it been so determined to dodge issues and questions posed by the people?

We renew that call today. We don't pretend to know the truth, but we insist that the whole truth will only be known when newspapers around the country join us in demanding complete openness from our government.

In the meantime, every American interested in truth would do well to revisit this painful issue.

Locally, Griffin's speech at SOU promises to be a good starting point — a forum where we hope many in our community will participate in peaceful candid dialogue.It ends perfect with the hearsay king of 9/11 truth. What bunch of junk. Still crackpot theories. Got facts?

Hans
23rd May 2007, 10:51 AM
Oh just thought of how to give out the URL without incurring the dreaded naughty sign

xxxx://w3.dailytidings.com/2007/0521/stories/0521_edit_9-11.php

Replace xxxx with http and W3 with www - I'm sure they'd like a reasoned response

aggle-rithm
23rd May 2007, 11:16 AM
The truth movement has now emerged from the caverns of obscurity into the limelight.


Interesting use of the word "limelight", which refers to lights that illuminate actors in a theater. It generally isn't used in reference to some truth that has been revealed or come into the public consciousness.

Hans
23rd May 2007, 11:22 AM
Ashland Oregon is the location of a nine month Shakespeare festival - the town is very much "acting" oriented

beachnut
23rd May 2007, 11:39 AM
Oh just thought of how to give out the URL without incurring the dreaded naughty sign

xxxx://w3.dailytidings.com/2007/0521/stories/0521_edit_9-11.php
http://www.dailytidings.com/2007/0521/stories/0521_edit_9-11.php
Replace xxxx with http and W3 with www - I'm sure they'd like a reasoned response
It sure got the some truthers making comments. You can not stop a truther from believing delusional thoughts from others. I have no idea why people believe hearsay and lies, do you? You should leave a comment, it is your thread. How would you encourage people to use their minds and stop being followers of those who make up misinformation about 9/11? I did not see a comment from you, or did I?

http://www.dailytidings.com/2007/0521/stories/0521_edit_9-11.php

Horatius
23rd May 2007, 05:11 PM
Thank the GODS this is finally getting out. People, we can no longer sit back and allow neo-con infiltration, neo-con indoctrination, neo-con subversion and the international neo-con conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids! Thank you Daily Tidings for your tireless efforts to protect and preserve us!!
Gen. Jack D. Ripper, Ret. - Ashland, Jefferson State - May 23rd, 3:19 PM


Okay, time to own up - Who's the smart ass?

:)

Alt+F4
23rd May 2007, 05:14 PM
A Zogby International poll — an agency frequently sourced by media outlets — said half of all New Yorkers believe the U.S. allowed the attacks.

As a life-long New Yorker I've NEVER met even ONE.

gumboot
23rd May 2007, 06:11 PM
Every time I read "omission", "distortion", and "9/11 Commission Report" in the same sentence I start to itch uncontrollably.

-Gumboot

Rahne Everson
23rd May 2007, 07:17 PM
Every time I read "omission", "distortion", and "9/11 Commission Report" in the same sentence I start to itch uncontrollably.

-Gumboot

Yeah I'm allergic to DRG too.

ConspiRaider
23rd May 2007, 10:24 PM
Ashland Oregon is the location of a nine month Shakespeare festival - the town is very much "acting" oriented
Well so is Tinsel Town and I'm a SAG actor and yet conspiracy theories get a limelight throwed on 'em and I stomp on them suckers and then git my Winchester and knock out them pesky limelights.

You are going to definitely get people to believe the crapola of 9/11 Inside Job. Have no fear. Consider this related theory:

We know there are at least 2.7 million stupid people on the planet.

Cost of the museum: $27 million.
Source of funding: Individual donations.
Average amount of donation (projected): $10

27,000,000 divided by 10 = 2.7 million stupid people.

Evidence to backup claim:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Humans_and_dinos_live_together_at_0522.html