Which is the best answer to this poll?

[gumboot]

Yes, I know this will get moved, but I couldn't resist...

[Redtail]

Yes, I know this will get moved, but I couldn't resist...

.... What Poll?

[gumboot]

It's multi choice by the way...

-Gumboot

[Dog Town]

32? Where's 42?
That's the answer, to everything! Ain't it?

[Redtail]

.... What Poll?

Ah there we go.

[gumboot]

I had to drop some options so I could have two purples.

-Gumboot

[Dog Town]

While purple is nice. I'm going with Lisa!

[R.Mackey]

So, Andrew, you've noticed the Troothers are fizzling out too, huh? :p

[gumboot]

The current status reminds me of that quiet period when the only lively threads were the highly technical ones about AA77's FDR. This time around it's discussion about the tower collapses which is giving me a headache, but otherwise the situation is the same.

Until my copy of DRG's book arrives and I can tackle his claims, I am bored. :(

I'm even tempted to go post in Politics... :jaw-dropp

-Gumboot

[R.Mackey]

I've just gotten my copy of DRG's book. At some point I'll be looking to bequeath it to some other needy debunker.

Anyway, I know the wait is killing you, but... Don't get your hopes up.

The Science Forum is much more entertaining, if you ask me. Far fewer hopeless debates on gun control...

[qarnos]

Yesssss!!!! My vote is winning!

[Brainster]

I've just gotten my copy of DRG's book. At some point I'll be looking to bequeath it to some other needy debunker.

I'd appreciate it if you could check how often Griffin cites two particular sources: Christopher Bollyn and Rowland Morgan. Morgan has written two tracts about 9-11 called 9-11 Revealed and Flight 93 Revealed. I haven't seen the first but I got the second from the library the other day, and was amused to read no further than the first sentence before I found the first major error:

The official story of Flight 93 tells of four men who checked in at the United Airlines ticket counter at Boston Logan airport on 11 September 2001 bound for Los Angeles on United 93, a Boeing 757 airliner.

And no doubt they got the Lancombe Lady from Mad TV, who found a wonderfully insulting way of telling Ziad Jarrah and his jihadist buddies that they were in the wrong airport and the wrong city if they wanted to get on United 93, because it was leaving from Newark as they spoke, uh-huh.

Amazingly, High Priest Griffin made a point of extolling the virtues (http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/05/maybe-griffin-is-cointelpro.html) of Flight 93 Revealed at a recent Vancouver speech.

"By the way, you can read this and many other fascinating facts about this flight, Flight 93, in the best book written about this flight which happens to be written by one of your neighbors, Rowland Morgan, and I believe he's here tonight. Rowland, if you are, would you stand up so we can see you? There he is! (Applause) So let me suggest you get his book, Flight 93 Revealed and you will learn a lot."

Yeah, like the fact that Delta's headquarters are in Texas (Atlanta, Texas, no doubt) and that Flight 93 scattered debris as far as eight miles upwind. This is a hilariously bad book and Morgan is already the source for one major mistake in Griffin's book, the claim that AA77 didn't have airfones. The only thing I can think of is that Rowland's got pictures of David Ray doing something unspeakable with his Bible.

[mortimer]

I voted for everything but the first Purple. The first Purple?!? Are you [rule8]ing kidding me????

[OMGturt1es]

i voted for every option. i'm not good at decisions.

[R.Mackey]

I'd appreciate it if you could check how often Griffin cites two particular sources: Christopher Bollyn and Rowland Morgan. Morgan has written two tracts about 9-11 called 9-11 Revealed and Flight 93 Revealed.

I've only gotten this "book" recently. A quick scan of the footnotes revealed five references to Bollyn and six to Rowland Morgan -- frequent, but hardly dominant. Of Bollyn's, two out of the five I found refer to "siesmic data" that he appears to be passing along, e.g. the same nonsense oh-so-trivially debunked here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2506914#post2506914). Both of those Morgan tracts are cited.

Of course, Griffin's book has the most bewildering mixture of references I've ever seen, including private e-mails, YouTube, and even The PentaCon. I kid you not.

The book is about 320 pages, and of the few I've read so far, every paragraph contains at least one glaring error of fact and one logical fallacy. It is a remarkable example of the standard Idiot Movement tactic of blurting out ideas tangential to reality in such quantity that it is difficult to sense them all -- but in prose, rather than spoken. A thorough corrective analysis of this text could easily top 2,000 pages. I doubt anyone would read it, though.

[gumboot]

I'm expecting my critique of just his 115 allegations of lies in the 9/11 commission report to be enormous. I've only answered 2 1/2 and it's already 23 pages and 8,300 words... :\

-Gumboot

[ref]

I have started to wonder, does Griffin have any own claims and does he himself do any research at all? It seems he references half the truther planet, and includes even the most ridicilous stuff. It seems he doesn't even bother to check those sources at all.

[David Swidler]

Purple badgers often, yes?

[qarnos]

Purple badgers often, yes?

For a moment there I thought we were going to get purple badges often.

I like purple badges.

[Foolmewunz]

Badgers, Purple, Often, Fill Rio Grande With Kerosene.

It's obvious - I don't know how the rest of you come up with those other ridiculous answers.

[Foolmewunz]

Badgers, Purple, Often, Fill Rio Grande With Kerosene.

It's obvious - I don't know how the rest of you come up with those other ridiculous answers.

ETA: D.Swidler was damned close!


ETA2: Two of the better threads in CT in a long time. Nice to see we still have a sense of humor that doesn't involve poking sticks through the bars of the CT cages. :spjimlad: :spjimlad:

[defaultdotxbe]

i voted that its lisas fault we have badgers on planet x

[T.A.M.]

Someone had to take on the role of truther in this one, so I did...the Govt was responsible, as it is for all things bad...lol

TAM:)

[The Doc]

"Aaaah badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM!"

(If you haven't seen the crazy flash movie, you won't get that)

[defaultdotxbe]

"Aaaah badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM!"

(If you haven't seen the crazy flash movie, you won't get that)
have you seen the gamecube gamecube gamecube gamecube gamecube gamecube gamecube gamecube gamecube gamecube gamecube gamecube XBOX XBOX version?

i cant find the link if you havent :(

ETA: or was it xbox xbox xbox xbox xbox xbox xbox xbox xbox xbox xbox xbox GAMECUBE GAMECUBE?

[CurtC]

You left out:

"I didn't do it."

[chipmunk stew]

Well, duh. The only correct combination is:

It's Lisa's Fault
Always

[Rahne Everson]

"Aaaah badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM!"

(If you haven't seen the crazy flash movie, you won't get that)

OMG ITS A SNAKE

[Rahne Everson]

Of course, Griffin's book has the most bewildering mixture of references I've ever seen, including private e-mails, YouTube, and even The PentaCon. I kid you not.

The PentaCon?! You're kidd-- wait, you're not. F***!

[Unsecured Coins]

I'm boycotting this poll because it doesn't have the greatest answer ever on it -

a bag of walnuts

[JonnyFive]

All right, who's the wise guy who only checked one purple?

[Cuddles]

Fill Reo Grande with purple kerosene at least three times a week. But not the first purple, it's just not as nice a shade as the second one.

[JonnyFive]

Fill Reo Grande with purple kerosene at least three times a week. But not the first purple, it's just not as nice a shade as the second one.

Are you mad?! The purple imbalance will kill us all!

[jaydeehess]

Badgers, only badgers.

My reasoning would fit right in at certain other forums that shall remain unnamed.

By removing only one letter one gets badges rather than badgers. I liked "Treasure of the Seirra Madre" in which a bandido states "Badges! Badges! We don't need no stinking badges".
FBI and other gov't agents have badges but obviously the covert operatives that carried out the dirty work for the events of 9/11 such as planting broken lamp posts, installing explosives in buildings, arranging for profits to be made in put options etc., would not have any badges.
So quid pro quo badgers is the only answer that any critical thinker could choose in this poll.

Odd that none of you here, who believe yourselves to be critical thinkers, saw this baltantly obvious linkage.:blush:

[chipmunk stew]

I've only gotten this "book" recently. A quick scan of the footnotes revealed five references to Bollyn and six to Rowland Morgan -- frequent, but hardly dominant. Of Bollyn's, two out of the five I found refer to "siesmic data" that he appears to be passing along, e.g. the same nonsense oh-so-trivially debunked here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2506914#post2506914). Both of those Morgan tracts are cited.

Of course, Griffin's book has the most bewildering mixture of references I've ever seen, including private e-mails, YouTube, and even The PentaCon. I kid you not.
What in Ed's name did he cite The PentaCon for?!? Perhaps a topic for its own thread...

[R.Mackey]

What in Ed's name did he cite The PentaCon for?!? Perhaps a topic for its own thread...

Teh PentaCon is cited in footnote 215 of Chapter Four, where Griffin attempts to cast doubt on the Popular Mechanics refutation of conspiracy nonsense. The section in Griffin's book contains arguments that will be totally familiar to any regular reader here:

The official story depends on the idea that the aircraft that hit the Pentagon flew past the south side of the nearby Citgo gas station (now called the Navy Exchange). Only if this is true could the plane have hit the light poles and then struck the Pentagon at the angle that would lead to the so-called exit hole in the C-ring (to be discussed below). However, Pentagon police officer William Lagasse, who was at the Citgo station, has always maintained that he was on the starboard side of the airplane, which would mean that the plane passed on the north side of the Citgo station. Supporters of the official story were able to dismiss Lagasse's statement by assuming that he had simply confused starboard and port.

Now, however, Lagasse and three other eyewitnesses have all stated on camera that the airplane definitely passed on the north side of the station.215 [...]

This testimony, besides throwing into doubt the testimony of Don Mason and the other people who claimed to have seen the light poles clipped, suggests something even more important: that the five light poles were staged to provide evidence for the official story. If so, then we must suspect that other evidence for the official story was also planted. If any of the evidence is demonstrably planted, in fact, we must doubt the truth of the entire story.

As you can see, it's nothing we haven't all heard before. I wonder if Griffin is as good at recycling consumables as he is at recycling arguments.

The final paragraph quoted above is also a spectacular example of inflation (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2320446#post2320446) in action.

Oh, before anyone gets carried away, I do not intend to become an expert on Griffin's book. Feel free to ask me questions about NIST, but once I'm done exposing the gross errors in this book, it's leaving my house. :D

[chipmunk stew]

Teh PentaCon is cited in footnote 215 of Chapter Four, where Griffin attempts to cast doubt on the Popular Mechanics refutation of conspiracy nonsense. The section in Griffin's book contains arguments that will be totally familiar to any regular reader here:



As you can see, it's nothing we haven't all heard before. I wonder if Griffin is as good at recycling consumables as he is at recycling arguments.

The final paragraph quoted above is also a spectacular example of inflation (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2320446#post2320446) in action.

Oh, before anyone gets carried away, I do not intend to become an expert on Griffin's book. Feel free to ask me questions about NIST, but once I'm done exposing the gross errors in this book, it's leaving my house. :D
:dl:

Oh my god!!! He should have called his book Rebunking 9/11 Debunking...

[jhunter1163]

Hmmmmm.. everyone seems to have voted but me.. and there's a tie between badgers and blaming Lisa Simpson.. yes, it's an awesome responsibility I carry. I'd better ponder some more...

[Bobert]

AT LEAST 3 time a week!!
:D

[JimBenArm]

Badgers. At least three times a week. What other answer even makes sense in this context?
Now turn your head and cough!

[Foolmewunz]

Oh, before anyone gets carried away, I do not intend to become an expert on Griffin's book. Feel free to ask me questions about NIST, but once I'm done exposing the gross errors in this book, it's leaving my house. :D

Mackey,
Couldn't you leave it like on a lectern in the backyard or something while you're researching?

As moms everywhere used to warn all young girls, "Change your underwear. What would happen if you got hit by a car?" (I always like that they were more concerned about decorum in the ER than with their daughters' injuries.)

Seriously. What if something was to happen to you and we had to get the NWO Testate Squad out there. Would you want anyone thinking this was part of your regular reading material?

[gumboot]

As moms everywhere used to warn all young girls, "Change your underwear. What would happen if you got hit by a car?" (I always like that they were more concerned about decorum in the ER than with their daughters' injuries.)



I always thought the most sensible solution is for young ladies to forgo underwear altogether.

-Gumboot

[R.Mackey]

Mackey,
Couldn't you leave it like on a lectern in the backyard or something while you're researching?
Raccoons would steal it, and I'd have to go buy another.

Seriously. What if something was to happen to you and we had to get the NWO Testate Squad out there. Would you want anyone thinking this was part of your regular reading material?
My "regular reading material" is fairly diverse, so I doubt anyone would even notice. At best it might provide a "Rosebud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Kane)!" moment for someone.

[Unsecured Coins]

I always thought the most sensible solution is for young ladies to forgo underwear altogether.

-Gumboot

yessir