About the truth movement gaining momentum

[ref]

An often heard claim is, that the truth movement is gaining momentum. It is bigger than ever, more and more people are waking up, and so on.

Well, their own poll refutes their claim. And we know they like polls.

This is an ongoing poll on 9/11 blogger frontpage. They ask, "When did you first get involved with 9/11 activism? (Activism, not questioning)"

http://www.911blogger.com/node/4055

The results are:

2001: 11 %
2002: 8 %
2003: 9 %
2004: 13 %
2005: 17 %
2006: 37 %
2007: 6 %

If the trend of this year continues, by the end of the year 2007 the percentage will be 14% - 15%. Compared to the year 2006 or even 2005, this is not much.

There are 709 respondents, so that is quite a good sample.

Conclusion, the movement is gaining momentum, downhill. The amount of new people involved with 9/11 activism is dropping dramatically. This conclusion is even supported by their own polls.

[The Doc]

I will need to find a source, but I believe that web statistics also show a serious declination in their hits too.

[ref]

I will need to find a source, but I believe that web statistics also show a serious declination in their hits too.

I've seen them somewhere too, giving similar results. It was just nice to find out how their own polls give the same result :)

[Foolmewunz]

I think, though, that their interest peqks every year during the summer buildup to the annual pi**ing on the graves memorial on 9/11.

They're news release oriented, though, and this year all their big events have turned to dust:

Almost got Charlie Sheen to commit(as opposed to 'get committed').
Nearly made a deal with Mark Cuban.
Close to getting their crappy DVD onto Virgin flights.
Booked postponed an appearance on The View.
Closing in on the pilot in Morocco.

One of the posters at LCF this week actually finally mentioned that if the Troofers get kicked in the teeth much more, it's like the NWO is pushing to see if one of them will go over the line (I paraphrase).

[Dredred]

I will need to find a source, but I believe that web statistics also show a serious declination in their hits too.

According to Alexa, 911blogger.com's visit rate reached a peak in december last year and is declining slightly since:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=www.911blogger.com&url=www.911blogger.com/

I don't know what the other big troofer sites are, but if you look them up in Alexa too you can get an overall indication of the growth or decline of the "truth" movement's popularity.

[ref]

I think, though, that their interest piques every year during the summer buildup to the annual pi**ing on the graves memorial on 9/11.

That is very true. Maybe they'll gain some extra percentage there this year as well, but 2006 will never repeat itself in truther popularity.

[AZCat]

Considering how poor their understanding of the concept of momentum is, I'm not sure that they even know what they mean. For all I know, they think "gaining momentum" means weeding out the "disinfo" agents within the movement.

[ref]

Thanks Dredred.

Loosechange911 had a growing trend in the beginning of 2006, that is totally missing this year. The only trend we can see is, that the hits have dropped dramatically, and remained constantly on a low level throughout 2007.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/136394655816400f26.png

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.loosechange911.com

[defaultdotxbe]

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=www.loosechange911.com&site1=www.randi.org&site2=www.prisonplanet.com&site3=www.infowars.com&site4=www.911blogger.com&y=r&z=1&h=300&w=610&range=1y&size=Medium&url=www.loosechange911.com

the loose change site hasnt even come close to its reach around sept of last year, also be sure to look at the 3 mos change for lc911.com (below the graph)

[T.A.M.]

The claim of the truth movement gaining momentum is a common call of bravado made by the faithful, not unlike a school yard taunt that "My brother is bigger than yours".

It is simply not true. Official polls do not indicate it, their own polls do not support it. It reached its peak near the 5th anniversary, and has been going down since.

Wait for the DEMs to win in Nov 2008, and then you will see a HUGE decline.

TAM:)

[ref]

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=www.loosechange911.com&site1=www.randi.org&site2=www.prisonplanet.com&site3=www.infowars.com&site4=www.911blogger.com&y=r&z=1&h=300&w=610&range=1y&size=Medium&url=www.loosechange911.com

the loose change site hasnt even come close to its reach around sept of last year, also be sure to look at the 3 mos change for lc911.com (below the graph)

3 months change for loosechange911.com: -26 %
3 months change for 911blogger.com: -25 %
3 months change for 911myths.com: +26 %
3 months change for debunking911.com: +161 %

[The Doc]

That's refreshing to see :)

[T.A.M.]

there is hope for society yet...maybe they aren't as naive as I thought...or perhaps it means we are making a difference. Maybe the fence sitters and the unknowing find our little hovels on the internet, they read, realize we are right, and the truthers nuts, and they tell two friends, and so on, and so on...

TAM:)

[Hyperviolet]

2006 offered a lot of hope for those in the Truth Movement, it was expected to grow exponetially with the apparant release of Loose Change Final Cut. That hasn't happened and with no new evidence, no new film nor any signs of a new investigation the interest is dying down.

Whenever LCFC does get released, expect a flurry of interest to arise relative to how big its release is. However, like Stone's JFK the public as a whole have a short attention span and will focus on something new just as quick. Leaving only hardcore truthers sitting on forums discussing evidence found back in 2004.

There is also the unlikely event that LCFC does probe so much interest that a call for more disclosure on files regarding 9/11 is granted and new evidence upturned.

[T.A.M.]

I agree, there will be a brief upsurge when and if LC:FC gets released, unless it is an internet only release. If it is Pay-Per-View only it will also likely have little impact. If it gets any kind of wide theatre distribution, then the upsurge might be substantial...it will be short lived, and with the 2008 elections in full swing, the end will be near...

TAM:)

[The Doc]

The first thing people will do after LC:FC is to see if a rebuttal exists.

If the film deserves one (which I am 99% sure it will, judging by Dylan's teaser), our job is to provide one. Most people will see the rebuttal and call it a day.

The truth movement has to realize that for every action there is a reaction. If LC:FC puts the United States into revolution mode (which I think is a ridiculous prediction), people will be demanding answers to the questions the film proposes before they "take the country back". The conspiracists have to realize that your average Joe isn't as stupid as they are, and will accept answers when they are provided.

[T.A.M.]

Well given how benificent and ingraciating Dylan and crew are...given it is dedicated to those we lost on 9/11...given their film is only about THE TRUTH, I am sure they will be kind enough to offer up a freee version to view on Google Video or Youtube...RIGHT???

TAM:)

[Rahne Everson]

God help us if we have to pay Dylan for Final Cut.

And I'm so quitting my job if the library orders Loose Change after this.

[Hourglassmemory]

I really wouldn't worry.

For all I know the big gatherings are happening in America.
Yes a french man wrote a book, but he never visited the US.

In my country for example I might be one of the few hundred people who has heard of 9/11 conspiracies.
And about 5% of those believe in them.

If you were to create a poll for the whole world, you should actually put a question like "9/11 conspiracy? What are you talking about?" and possibly that one, or this one "Are you nuts?" would get the most votes.

People are fundamentally skeptical, but if all they're given is the paranoid NWO point of view, they will very likely start believing in that. The problem is the information that is tranmited.
If you're given both points of view, most people will go towards "you're nuts."

And if that point of view(NWO pov) says that all other points of view are plans to fool you, most people just walk away shaking their heads. Most people don't jump right in.

They do have logic in their heads and automatic Occam's Razors together with common sense that enables them to search for other possibilities, and for most people in today's world, 19 hijackers with religious determination is far more accomplishable and possible than, new world order secretly organizing millions of governors with nazi like determination to free the world of christian black homosexuals using AIDS and invisible alien aircrafts and planning putting an owl looking statue in a pedestal(what's the point in that, anyway?). All of this without anyone blowing a whistle on them and screaming it all out before they get shot in the head by a death ray from outer space.

Everytime I follow their logic I always end up with aliens. It's mad! You can't follow their logic without speculation just after a few sentences.

Gaining momentum.....they're not this wave gathering more and more mass and force. They're already splatering all over the sand, if you know what I mean. Then it'll all dissolve and disappear, until another wave of paranoid, end-of-the-world gathering starts to emerge. Just wait until 2012!

They just LIKE to think that they're gaining momentum.
It's comfortable. They wouldn't be able to sleep at night if they didn't. If they stopped it would be like the NWO was gaining ground.
They say it as a form of protecting themselves to a reality that they do not want to accept.

It's basic Cognitive Dissonance. "Yes, it's wrong...but I want to keep doing it."
It's a thrill to think that you've just uncovered an intergalatic plot. It makes you feel like you're accomplishing something historic. I bet they imagine themselves in future school books.

[SkepticGuy]

I will need to find a source, but I believe that web statistics also show a serious declination in their hits too.
Here's some material that helps show this...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/stats.html
The "9/11 Conspiracies" forum is loosing ground

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/ats_demographics.html
Only 4% classified "9/11 Conspiracies" as their favorite topic... and it's the third-highest-ranked "least favorite topic" by over 20,000 visitors taking the survey.

ATS is a popular "general conspiracy" destination. If there is any group with a built-in affinity for 9/11 conspiracies, it's the type of people who would visit us. And only 4% of an audience interested in conspiracies are still considering the 9/11 topic. Three years ago, a similar survey indicated a number closer to 27%.

[ref]

Thanks SkepticGuy, that was interesting.

[The Doc]

Here's some material that helps show this...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/stats.html
The "9/11 Conspiracies" forum is loosing ground

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/ats_demographics.html
Only 4% classified "9/11 Conspiracies" as their favorite topic... and it's the third-highest-ranked "least favorite topic" by over 20,000 visitors taking the survey.

ATS is a popular "general conspiracy" destination. If there is any group with a built-in affinity for 9/11 conspiracies, it's the type of people who would visit us. And only 4% of an audience interested in conspiracies are still considering the 9/11 topic. Three years ago, a similar survey indicated a number closer to 27%.

Interesting.

The reason I found ATS in the first place was way back in 2002 when I did a search for general conspiracy theories to research out of interest. I believe the John Titor fiasco was the first thing I came across. I didn't get involved with the 9/11 forum until 2006, and back then I was very undereducated on the topic.

I actually remember stating here that I thought the ATS activity had gone down recently, despite the highest activity in 10 years over the entire board, but now I know why. I was only looking at the 9/11 forum.

To be honest, ATS has a lot of good discussion on aircraft, politics, military projects and similar. However, the 9/11 forum is well below par with the rest of the board.

Doc.

[T.A.M.]

I really wouldn't worry.

For all I know the big gatherings are happening in America.
Yes a french man wrote a book, but he never visited the US.

In my country for example I might be one of the few hundred people who has heard of 9/11 conspiracies.
And about 5% of those believe in them.

If you were to create a poll for the whole world, you should actually put a question like "9/11 conspiracy? What are you talking about?" and possibly that one, or this one "Are you nuts?" would get the most votes.

People are fundamentally skeptical, but if all they're given is the paranoid NWO point of view, they will very likely start believing in that.

And if that point of view says that all other points of view are plans to fool you, most people just walk away shaking their heads. Most people don't jump right in.

They do have logic in their heads and automatic Occam's Razors together with common sense that enables them to search for other possibilities, and for most people in today's world, 19 hijackers with religious determination is far more accomplishable and possible than, new world order secretly organizing millions of governors with nazi like determination to free the world of christian black homosexuals using AIDS and invisible alien aircrafts and put an owl looking statue in a pedestal. All of this without anyone blowing a whistle on them and screaming it all out before they get shot in the head by a death ray from outer space.

Everytime I follow their logic I always end up with aliens. It's mad! You can't follow their logic without speculation just after a few sentences.

Gaining momentum.....they're not this wave gathering more and more water and force. Tehy're already slapptering all voer the snad if you know what I mean. Then it'll all dissolve and disappear, until another wave of paranoid, end-of-the-world gathering starts to emerge. Just wait until 2012!
They just like to think that they're gaining momentum.
It's comfortable. They wouldn't be able to sleep at night if they didn't. If they stopped it would be like the NWO was ganing ground. They say it as a form of protecting themselves to a reality that they do not want to accept.

It's basic Cognitive Dissonance. "Yes, it's wrong...but I want to keep doing it."
It's a thrill to think that you've just uncovered an intergalatic plot. It makes you feel like you're accomplishing something historic. I bet they imagine themselves in future school books.


Well put, and likely very accurate. I couldn't help but laugh at the typos, only because there were so many in one sentence, and the rest of the post free of them...(see bolded in your quote).

TAM:)

[SkepticGuy]

According to Alexa, 911blogger.com's visit rate reached a peak in december last year and is declining slightly since:

Alexa is easily scammed.

It's similar to ComScore Media Metrics and Nielson NetRatings in that it's a panel-based traffic estimation system. But unlike the others, Alexa's data is available to the public.

A panel-based system is only as good as the people on the panel. While the numbers can be reasonably reliable for comparing the top-500 or so of the most popular sites on the web, the accuracy breaks down as you get into sites with less than 1 million monthly unique visitors.

Alexa (and the others) work by tracking a the browsing history of people on their panel, and reporting it to a master database. If a panel is accidentally skewed in favor of a particular topic, the data will be skewed.

We've seen many 9/11 and conspiracy-related sites beg their users to install the Alexa toolbar, thereby artificially skewing the panel makeup, and creating incorrect traffic estimates. In fact, for many 9/11 truth sites, all it takes is one or two more people using the Alexa toolbar while on the site to skew the numbers (their natural traffic being so comparatively low).

I hope that helps.

[slyjoe]

I think I said it before on the "9/11 Physics for Non-experts" thread, these guys REALLY don't understand momentum.

Ref: thanks for the stats! :)

[Stellafane]

I think, though, that their interest peqks every year during the summer buildup to the annual pi**ing on the graves memorial on 9/11.

They're news release oriented, though, and this year all their big events have turned to dust:

Almost got Charlie Sheen to commit(as opposed to 'get committed').
Nearly made a deal with Mark Cuban.
Close to getting their crappy DVD onto Virgin flights.
Booked postponed an appearance on The View.
Closing in on the pilot in Morocco.

One of the posters at LCF this week actually finally mentioned that if the Troofers get kicked in the teeth much more, it's like the NWO is pushing to see if one of them will go over the line (I paraphrase).

Pretty sweet deal for Avery, huh? No matter how much he promises and fails to deliver, none of his followers seems to care. "We're going to release a video of Bush confessing all! A live interview with Mohammed Atta! Jesus Christ Himself will narrate LC:FC!!" Then when it all falls through, the faithful go off muttering about the NWO messing with them. If anything it just strengthens their commitment to The Cause. Must be great to have a following in whose eyes you can do no wrong, no matter how many shovelfuls of crap you force down their throats. Sort of like Sylvia Browne!

[ref]

Alexa is easily scammed.

It's similar to ComScore Media Metrics and Nielson NetRatings in that it's a panel-based traffic estimation system. But unlike the others, Alexa's data is available to the public.

A panel-based system is only as good as the people on the panel. While the numbers can be reasonably reliable for comparing the top-500 or so of the most popular sites on the web, the accuracy breaks down as you get into sites with less than 1 million monthly unique visitors.

Alexa (and the others) work by tracking a the browsing history of people on their panel, and reporting it to a master database. If a panel is accidentally skewed in favor of a particular topic, the data will be skewed.

We've seen many 9/11 and conspiracy-related sites beg their users to install the Alexa toolbar, thereby artificially skewing the panel makeup, and creating incorrect traffic estimates. In fact, for many 9/11 truth sites, all it takes is one or two more people using the Alexa toolbar while on the site to skew the numbers (their natural traffic being so comparatively low).

I hope that helps.

This was interesting too :) Lots of nice to know stuff. No debunking sites have ever promoted the Alexa toolbar, but as you said, I have seen promotions on truther sites.

[chipmunk stew]

Alexa is easily scammed.

It's similar to ComScore Media Metrics and Nielson NetRatings in that it's a panel-based traffic estimation system. But unlike the others, Alexa's data is available to the public.

A panel-based system is only as good as the people on the panel. While the numbers can be reasonably reliable for comparing the top-500 or so of the most popular sites on the web, the accuracy breaks down as you get into sites with less than 1 million monthly unique visitors.

Alexa (and the others) work by tracking a the browsing history of people on their panel, and reporting it to a master database. If a panel is accidentally skewed in favor of a particular topic, the data will be skewed.

We've seen many 9/11 and conspiracy-related sites beg their users to install the Alexa toolbar, thereby artificially skewing the panel makeup, and creating incorrect traffic estimates. In fact, for many 9/11 truth sites, all it takes is one or two more people using the Alexa toolbar while on the site to skew the numbers (their natural traffic being so comparatively low).

I hope that helps.
It does. If Truthers are attempting to skew Alexa, the data nevertheless show a substantial drop off and continuous decline following the fifth anniversary of 9/11. Either way, it is contra-evidence against a gain in momentum.

[Stellafane]

...The results are:

2001: 11 %
2002: 8 %
2003: 9 %
2004: 13 %
2005: 17 %
2006: 37 %
2007: 6 %

Actually, this does look like momentum to me -- the downward momentum caused by gravity. What's that phrase I'm looking for? Costless fall speed? Free downward velocity? Something like that...

[Hourglassmemory]

Well put, and likely very accurate. I couldn't help but laugh at the typos, only because there were so many in one sentence, and the rest of the post free of them...(see bolded in your quote).

TAM:)

Lol now that you pointed them out, I also laughed.
I did correct them and saved it. You probably quoted the "not corrected" version.
A person, trying to be serious, and the arguments become less serious because of typos.
It's my bad, I type really fast and rarely revise what I typed.

[Foolmewunz]

3 months change for loosechange911.com: -26 %
3 months change for 911blogger.com: -25 %
3 months change for 911myths.com: +26 %
3 months change for debunking911.com: +161 %

Some of this is seasonal. As the weather improves, people spend less time on their computers. Perspective:

3 months change for randi.org -19%

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?site0=www.randi.org&site1=&site2=&site3=&site4=&y=Reach&y=Rank&y=Page+Views&range=7d&range=1m&range=3m&range=6m&range=1y&range=3y&range=5y&range=max&size=M&h=300&w=610&size=L&h=400&w=700&z=1&range=6m&size=Medium&y=r&z=1&url=www.randi.org&x=45&y=11

Interesting items:
Randi.Org is ranked as high as 2511 in the Netherlands, far better than any other country.
Note that 79% of the visitors the www.randi.org are heading to the forums.

[ConspiRaider]

Well put, and likely very accurate. I couldn't help but laugh at the typos, only because there were so many in one sentence, and the rest of the post free of them...(see bolded in your quote).

TAM:)
Well Doc, the post was good but it was rife with typos. Here goes (sigh):

I really wouldn't worry.

For all I know the big gatherings are happening in America.
Yes a french man wrote a book, but he never visited the US.

In my country for example I might be one of the few hundred people who has heard of 9/11 conspiracies.
And about 5% of those believe in them.

If you were to create a poll for the whole world, you should actually put a question like "9/11 conspiracy? What are you talking about?" and possibly that one, or this one "Are you nuts?" would get the most votes.

People are fundamentally skeptical, but if all they're given is the paranoid NWO point of view, they will very likely start believing in that. The problem is the information that is tranmited.
If you're given both points of view, most people will go towards "you're nuts."

And if that point of view(NWO pov) says that all other points of view are plans to fool you, most people just walk away shaking their heads. Most people don't jump right in.

They do have logic in their heads and automatic Occam's Razors together with common sense that enables them to search for other possibilities, and for most people in today's world, 19 hijackers with religious determination is far more accomplishable and possible than, new world order secretly organizing millions of governors with nazi like determination to free the world of christian black homosexuals using AIDS and invisible alien aircrafts and planning putting an owl looking statue in a pedestal(what's the point in that, anyway?). All of this without anyone blowing a whistle on them and screaming it all out before they get shot in the head by a death ray from outer space.

Everytime I follow their logic I always end up with aliens. It's mad! You can't follow their logic without speculation just after a few sentences.

Gaining momentum.....they're not this wave gathering more and more mass and force. They're already splatering all over the sand, if you know what I mean. Then it'll all dissolve and disappear, until another wave of paranoid, end-of-the-world gathering starts to emerge. Just wait until 2012!

They just LIKE to think that they're gaining momentum.
It's comfortable. They wouldn't be able to sleep at night if they didn't. If they stopped it would be like the NWO was gaining ground.
They say it as a form of protecting themselves to a reality that they do not want to accept.

It's basic Cognitive Dissonance. "Yes, it's wrong...but I want to keep doing it."
It's a thrill to think that you've just uncovered an intergalatic plot. It makes you feel like you're accomplishing something historic. I bet they imagine themselves in future school books.

[Foolmewunz]

Pretty sweet deal for Avery, huh? No matter how much he promises and fails to deliver, none of his followers seems to care. "We're going to release a video of Bush confessing all! A live interview with Mohammed Atta! Jesus Christ Himself will narrate LC:FC!!" Then when it all falls through, the faithful go off muttering about the NWO messing with them. If anything it just strengthens their commitment to The Cause. Must be great to have a following in whose eyes you can do no wrong, no matter how many shovelfuls of crap you force down their throats. Sort of like Sylvia Browne!

Sort of like Fido, actually! The only critters who give unrequited love are dogs and children under four. Let the troofers make of that what they wish.

[T.A.M.]

Raider:

Yes, as are almost all posts of any length by any poster. Occasional ones I rarely pick up, and never comment on, but so many in one sentence just caught my attenSion...lol

TAM:)

[ref]

It does. If Truthers are attempting to skew Alexa, the data nevertheless show a substantial drop off and continuous decline following the fifth anniversary of 9/11. Either way, it is contra-evidence against a gain in momentum.

Exactly, because even if they skewed, they still haven't gotten their stats to show a rise. But the truthers are good at fooling themselves.

[Brainster]

I'll offer the discouraging word here. The 9-11 Denial Movement may not be gaining momentum, but that's partially because it had such explosive growth in the last couple of years.

I'm not sure this link will work (http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s21911blogger&r=36), but here's the chart of 9-11 Bloggers' "unique visitors". Here are the raw totals:

5/06: 130,000
6/06: 120,000
7/06: 150,000
8/06: 240,000
9/06: 320,000

There was, as we would expect, a drop-off in interest after the fifth anniversary:

10/06: 300,000
11/06: 190,000
12/06: 190,000
1/07: 180,000
2/07: 190,000
3/07: 260,000
4/07: 310,000
5/07: 310,000 (Projected)

So they are right around their 9/11/06 peak, and I certainly expect their stats to show another increase this summer as they did last year.

Our stats show something of a similar pattern (http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=s24screwloose&r=36) up to February, but we haven't had the big growth over the last few months. Of course, our traffic is tied to Loose Change, which has been dormant for a long time.

Now, eventually they do reach the saturation point; where all the gullible folks are on board and they can only increase incrementally. They may be reaching that level. But I cannot agree with the notion that they have peaked and are subsiding. Who would have thought a year ago that they'd have a daily talk show host spreading their poison?

[ref]

Thanks for the heads up, Brainster. That is the first stat I have seen showing any growth for any 9/11 truth -related web-activity after september 2006.

[Foolmewunz]

Perhaps an obvious question, but I'm sort of technically challenged....

A "unique visitor" is a single visit by a different individual during that month?

[ref]

Perhaps an obvious question, but I'm sort of technically challenged....

A "unique visitor" is a single visit by a different individual during that month?

How many different individuals have visited a site during a month, is my interpretation.

ETA: Different IP:s I suppose. I use at least four different computers in different locations, so I would make 4 unique visitors to JREF.

[Cuddles]

One thing to remember is that web stats don't show what people actually believe, only where they vist. From what I have read on this site it sounds like an awful lot of the visitors to LC are actually skeptics going there to debunk things. No matter what the stats show I think quite a lot of their "momentum" is from people going there to point at the crazies and not from truthers at all.

[firecoins]

We are making a difference. Unlike the JFK conspiracy, there has always been a group of people debunking stupid. From the get go, people like Gravy, SCL & the James Randi Educational Foundation have managed to put publically available references debunking ludacrous conspiracy theories on the internet.

[Hourglassmemory]

We are making a difference. Unlike the JFK conspiracy, there has always been a group of people debunking stupid. From the get go, people like Gravy, SCL & the James Randi Educational Foundation have managed to put publically available references debunking ludacrous conspiracy theories on the internet.

And as we all know, the internet is fertile ground for all kinds of expression and opinion.
The very fact that the internet came to be changed the structure and system of how information is shared around the world.
The information put together and provided by Gravy and SLC would certainly not have done what it has to fence sitters if it were not for the internet.
Imagine the truth movement spreading by word of mouth and books.
You would have to write books yourself and get through the publishing of it all and hope to god nobody burnt it to unexistance and considered it a demonic book of some sort. With the internet, it just becomes silly. And that's GOOD.
I wonder, I know this has nothing to do with the topic....but would people think the Bible was the word of God...if it was first published on the internet?
With the internet you do it in a flash...and you make it accessible to people in Portugal and Japan who still had some doubts.

If it were not for the internet....I really don't know what the Truth Movement would be.
I'm glad I live in an age where there are 'Internets'.
Although 60% of it is porn.......

[8den]

Almost got Charlie Sheen to commit(as opposed to 'get committed').
Nearly made a deal with Mark Cuban.
Close to getting their crappy DVD onto Virgin flights.
Booked postponed an appearance on The View.
Closing in on the pilot in Morocco.
.

Almost got a screening on Irish State TV, but we put pay to that.

[Architect]

That was indeed a result.

[Brainster]

Perhaps an obvious question, but I'm sort of technically challenged....

A "unique visitor" is a single visit by a different individual during that month?

No. A unique visitor is somebody who has not visited the site in the last 30 minutes. This filters out somebody who might stop at our blog, surf over somewhere else, then come back to check out another link.

I'll admit, the term is not intuitive.

[firecoins]

And as we all know, the internet is fertile ground for all kinds of expression and opinion.
The very fact that the internet came to be changed the structure and system of how information is shared around the world.
The information put together and provided by Gravy and SLC would certainly not have done what it has to fence sitters if it were not for the internet.
Imagine the truth movement spreading by word of mouth and books.
You would have to write books yourself and get through the publishing of it all and hope to god nobody burnt it to unexistance and considered it a demonic book of some sort. With the internet, it just becomes silly. And that's GOOD.
I wonder, I know this has nothing to do with the topic....but would people think the Bible was the word of God...if it was first published on the internet?
With the internet you do it in a flash...and you make it accessible to people in Portugal and Japan who still had some doubts.

If it were not for the internet....I really don't know what the Truth Movement would be.
I'm glad I live in an age where there are 'Internets'.
Although 60% of it is porn.......
whats wrong with porn? I think the word of god ain't got nothing on porn.

[Architect]

I agree that the Truth Movement is gaining momentum. Just not in the direction which they would like........


.... but of course this may all change when LC X or whatever its called comes out.

[qarnos]

Some stats from Alexa:

http://911truth.org
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/26434656021eac6a8.png

http://loosechange911.org
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/26434656021ece97b.png

http://st911.org
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/26434656021eeed1b.png

ETA:

I removed the last two graphs (Loose Change Forums and JREF CT forums) since Alexa only tracks stats for the server, not the actual sub-pages, rendering these two meaningless.

[Unsecured Coins]

in english, please?

[qarnos]

in english, please?

:confused:

Are you talking at me?

[Unsecured Coins]

:confused:

Are you talking at me?


yeah. I suck at the graph reading.

[qarnos]

It's just the traffic volume for the named sites over the last 5 years. Their peak seemed to be during 2006, with spikes around Septemberish.

The Loose Change website seems to be on a slow downward trend from not much traffic to almost no traffic.

These graphs seem to correspond quite well to the poll results ref presented in the OP.

[Unsecured Coins]

Mongo understand now

[defaultdotxbe]

It's just the traffic volume for the named sites over the last 5 years. Their peak seemed to be during 2006, with spikes around Septemberish.

The Loose Change website seems to be on a slow downward trend from not much traffic to almost no traffic.

These graphs seem to correspond quite well to the poll results ref presented in the OP.
might want to check the rankings for letsroll911.com if you are goign to go back 5 years, i think that was LC "official" site until the end of 2005 or so

[Foolmewunz]

No. A unique visitor is somebody who has not visited the site in the last 30 minutes. This filters out somebody who might stop at our blog, surf over somewhere else, then come back to check out another link.

I'll admit, the term is not intuitive.

Thanx. I believe Darat explained the same thing in another thread one time, but it'd gone past my addled old brain.

So, if I login to the JREF five times a day (assuming they're 30 min. apart), I'm counted as 150 unique visits per month, then (more or less).

[GwionX]

I like to compare those alexa graphs to Barney.com. It seems crazed Barney the purple dinosaur fans pose more of a threat to storm the White House than the activists on the most trafficked twoofer sites.

God help us if they decide to rumble with one another!

[fuelair]

About the truth movement gaining momentum :


I hope they are as they run to butt their pointy little heads against that reinforced concrete wall just yonder!

[defaultdotxbe]

About the truth movement gaining momentum :


I hope they are as they run to butt their pointy little heads against that reinforced concrete wall just yonder!
reminds me of the scene in x2 with juggernaut and leech, jugs thought he was so unstoppable, lol

[CHF]

The twoof movement is not gaining in momentum and here's why: No street protests, no serious lobbying.

If you were part of a movement which you thought would change the world and was millions strong...would you just sit around on your PC all day?

I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be rallying this massive support and doing something with it.

Yet twoofers do nothing! That says far more about reality than web traffic.

[alfaniner]

"Trewage" always seems to collect among itself, like cat hair or dust.