Could Dylan Avery possibly be a bigger hypocrite?

[CHF]

UK Dave posted this on another thread but I think it deserves its own.

Very little surprises me about twoofers but my jaw hit the floor when I read this quote:

Dylan Avery:
It's only a matter of time before Mark sends Richard and his associates an open letter.

I'd love to be in the offices of someone like Danny Jowenko when they get an e-mail from a nobody in NYC telling them they're wrong about their +20 years of experience.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9992&st=0&#last (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Ch...992&st=0&#last)

How does someone justify this kind of hypocracy?

According to the same Dylan Avery...

- PM's 300 experts are wrong
- NIST's 200 experts are wrong
- the folks at Implosion World are wrong
- every engineer in the world who doesn't question NIST is wrong
- when the subject is WTC 1 & 2 Danny Jowenko is wrong

Dylan, I know you're reading this.

If Mark's so out of line for questioning Jowenko on WTC7....what does that make you?

[Belz...]

Could Dylan Avery possibly be a bigger hypocrite?

Well, he doesn't seem to be putting a lot of effort into it; so if he did, I suppose he could. Of course, I shudder to imagine it...

[jhunter1163]

Link's not working... :(

[T.A.M.]

I will just repost my original response to it...


Wrong about what. Its not like Jowenko actually did any research or science on the matter. He has published no paper. The man looked at a video and said "That looks like a controlled demolition". Any comment on Jowenko's opinion on what he saw, is not an argument on his experience. Is Dylan really that dumb, or is he just playing dumb?


TAM:)

[Gravy]

I'll give you a better example. Avery recently had a radio debate with Killtown over the no-planes issue. The next week, Avery and Bermas were interviewed by the same host:

Host: It take a lot of guts for a guy with your status to blast a guy like this, because as you and I know, this is a big blow to the movement, this no-planes theory.

A: Well, yeah, man, I really don't want to come down too hard on Killtown because he's done a lot of great research, but I can no longer sit idly by and watch people like him perpetrate this ridiculous theory which – I'm sorry – doesn't have any basis.

Bermas: It has zero legs at all, and like you said, Dylan, Killtown was sort of a pioneer, you know, when me and Dylan were into this, maybe less than a year after the attacks, Killtown was one of the first people to put out sites asking tough questions about the Pentagon and other anomalies. And it's really sad to see people go by the wayside and go into these ludicrous theories of Holograms, TV fakery, and CGI. ...When there's a plane hole in both buildings and we have videos of the planes hitting them.

A: And not only that, Bermas, we've got a little bit of a montage in the final cut of eyewitnesses to the planes.

B: Yeah, absolutely, I thought that was really cool, too, because a lot of that stuff was just audio that no one's ever heard on like WABC or WNBC radio. And it shows that people did see the attacks and they immediately reported them.

A: Yup. Called right into the radio.Avery and Bermas are the same no-planer creeps who completely dismiss the Pentagon and Shanksville eyewitnesses! They also claim that the WTC planes weren't flights 11 and 175, despite the witnesses on those planes telling us what was happening to them.

What hideous creeps.



Heh. Just noticed this is my 8,000th post. Seems fitting.

[ref]

Congrats on your 8000th post Gravy. Well used :) I wonder what my 1000th will look like.

[Thunder]

Its all very simple. 9-11 Truth is their new religion. It is a religion based on faith...not science. Those scientists who agree with them (all 5) have opened their eyes to the Truth. All those who disagree with them are in denial of the truth..no matter how much they looked at the evidence or analyzed the science. If they disagree..they are in denial of the Truth..and thats it. Their denial is based on sheepish obedience to their leaders, fear, or actual participation in the lie. Simple difference of opinion or understanding of evidence?....cant be.

Those who deny 9-11 Truth are like the Jews who refused Jesus Christ. They are blinded by greed, blinded by their refusal to accept what is so very clear and true to the truthers. And as we have read before, those who defend "the lie" will be held accountable for their deceit, just as many believe that the Jews will be held accountable for their rejection of Christ.

It sucks that the 9-11 Truth movemant has to be put into such terms, but their philosophies and their opinions of those who disagree with them is remarkably similar to those of a new religion. "They" are right. Everyone else is wrong. And those who disagree can't just be different, they must be motivated by sinister thoughts, greed, or fear. This is how 9-11 Truth most resembles a cult.

[JamesB]

The most mindnumbingly stupid quote from Dylan today:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9961

You know...if we had as much free time as those guys, we could sit around and make videos of them acting like total jackasses and put quotes up on the screen in big bold letters just like they do.

This is coming from the guys who put videos up of themselves riding ATVs, hitting on women in bars, sitting around in their underwear, harassing soldiers in cafes... They go to ground zero, and being on the tight schedule they are, what do they video? The memorial to the victims of the attacks? A somber tribute to the victims of violence? No, instead we get 5 hours of them walking down the street in black t-shirts and trying to figure out how to use subway tokens.

[Brainster]

It's always struck me that the "responsible" ones are like the guy at the asylum dressed up as Napoleon, who wants you to know that the man who looks like George Washington is actually a nut.

:rolleyes:

[JamesB]

The most mindnumbingly stupid quote from Dylan today:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9961

You know...if we had as much free time as those guys, we could sit around and make videos of them acting like total jackasses and put quotes up on the screen in big bold letters just like they do.

This is coming from the guys who put videos up of themselves riding ATVs, hitting on women in bars, sitting around in their underwear, harassing soldiers in cafes... They go to ground zero, and being on the tight schedule they are, what do they video? The memorial to the victims of the attacks? A somber tribute to the victims of violence? No, instead we get 5 hours of them walking down the street in black t-shirts and trying to figure out how to use subway tokens.

[Unsecured Coins]

sitting around in their underwear

don't you ever post a link to that video.

[NoZed Avenger]

don't you ever post a link to that video.


I have just put uTube and googlevideo on my "blocked" list of sites -- just in case.

[Stellafane]

I'm guessing that if Avery does indeed peruse this forum from time to time, he'll probably open this post because (1) his name is in the subject line, and (2) based on my SN, he probably thinks I'm female. I'm not (sorry Dylan). But since you opened this post anyway, why don't you read it so long as you're here? I think it'll be worth your while, because it involves your next possible career move. I think you're going to need one pretty soon, because (as I suspect you already know) this whole Loose Change think is just about to come to an end.

Let's drop any pretenses for a moment, OK? You got massively lucky with LC. You know it, and I know it. Not long ago, you were an absolute nobody. No shame in that of course, so am I and a lot of other very worthwhile and happy people. But your little LC project hit just the right chord with a small but very passionate group of people. And with a little boost from some fringe entertainers like Charlie and Rosie, you've actually achieved some measure of celebrity. You even made Am I Annoying -- no mean feat! I'm sure it must be very cool in a lot of ways.

But those days are nearing an end, and you probably know it. It all happened so quickly -- wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago you were working a deal with Mark Cuban, Charlie was going to narrate LC:FC, and Rosie was your champion and going to feature you on The View? How fast it all came crashing down! But that's the way with these celebrity types, it's always all about them and whatever catches their attention for a nanosecond. Then you get tossed like yesterday's news. It was heady stuff for a while there, so I guess I can't blame you for being unwilling to admit that your 15 minutes are up. But it's over, whether you want to accept it or not.

So now you have a choice. You can go back to the strange little people who helped you get started. But you kind of burned that bridge, didn't you? In an effort to "clean up your act" and make yourself palatable to a more "mainstream" audience, you've tried to disassociate yourself from the loonier elements of the 9/11 CT world. That's why you rejected Killtown and his "no-planer" crowd. Ditching the "no-plane" thing was a good move -- and let's face it, you had no choice, because if you didn't, you would have been laughed out of any even remotely serious discussion of 9/11 -- but now that the Fickle Finger of Fame has flipped you the bird, you really can't go crawling back to that crew. How long will it be before Killtown rallies his minions and you're as big a pariah in the "Truth Movement" as Popular Mechanics and Mark Roberts? Killtown and his ilk were there long before you arrived, and will be there long after you're gone. You've rubbed elbows with these psychos, so you know damned well what I'm talking about. It's just a matter of time.

But you have another choice, and here it is: Come clean. Reject the 9/11 CT movement, and admit the whole thing was just a joy ride on Fantasy Island. You were never really one of them anyway, were you? They were just a willing audience that helped you get started. Kissing up to that crowd isn't the type of move some of us would make, but who am I to criticize? It worked, so I have to hand you that. But now you need a new audience, one that has some permanence to it, one that is repected. Namely us. Tell us what it was like to actually be an intergral part of a CT movement. That's something most of us will never experience, and I for one would like to know what it was like. Tell us about all the strange people you met, I'm sure there were quite a number of doozies. Tell us how being surrounded by paranoia affected your own thinking and judgement. And finally, fill us in on the gripping, heartwarming story about how you finally came to your senses, saw The Light, and embraced reason and reality. Feel free to mention this post. Sure, the 9/11 CT'ers will all hate you for it. But they're going to end up hating you soon anyway.

So what do you say, Dylan? Come on over and join the adults, or spend a few more weeks with the weird children before filling out a Burger King application -- the choice is yours.

[Belz...]

Heh. Just noticed this is my 8,000th post. Seems fitting.

Well, that was fast.

[uk_dave]

Reject the 9/11 CT movement, and admit the whole thing was just a joy ride on Fantasy Island. You were never really one of them anyway, were you?

Nice idea, but I suspect that Avery really is 'one of them'.

Certainly he saw the 911 ct as a path to fame and fortune, but he could have let it stop at version 1 and just used that as his calling card to hollywood. He could have just claimed it was satire or an exercise in 'post modern deconstruction of the media representation of 911 blah blah blah'.

But he persevered and perpetuated the lies of the 'truth' movement. He's a believer, heading for a bumpy ride if ever his final cut gets released.

I would imagine that he has some doubts, but then I only imagine that because the 911 fantasy is just so full of holes it's hard to believe that the 'truthers' don't have doubts. But then it's hard to believe they buy this stuff anyway and introspection doesn't appear to be a strong point, so I could be wrong.

But since the Loose Change project is hardly turning out to be a pleasant experience the fact that he's stuck with it has got to be seen as either a strong belief in the material or terror at the backlash from the psychos.

[CHF]

Avery and Bermas are the same no-planer creeps who completely dismiss the Pentagon and Shanksville eyewitnesses! They also claim that the WTC planes weren't flights 11 and 175, despite the witnesses on those planes telling us what was happening to them.

What hideous creeps.

Yeah it sure is ironic that the LC boys are no-planers themselves yet they bar the door on Killtown. Why? How do they decide which stupid theory is too stupid?

[Quad4_72]

You were never really one of them anyway, were you?

Very well done post there stella. You sum up Avery quite nicely. I agree with you that Avery does not really believe all of the lunacy. I think he just loves the attention and the incredibly easy money that he makes. Sadly, I don't think he is going to be calling it quits until the money stops flowing. He will put out The Final Lie (LC:FC) and then maybe he will consider hanging up his fantasy hat. I mean, how many CF videos can you make that say THE EXACT SAME THING? People will get bored of it.

[Civilized Worm]

The most mindnumbingly stupid quote from Dylan today:

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=9961


Oh look, another idiot threatening violence towards Gravy:

Isn't it great that Roberts only has an issue with us? It's a good thing he has nothing else to talk about besides the TM. Esposure, FTW?

When I'm in NY this September, I really hope to meet this guy. His ridiculous claims and patronizing act are nothing more than "drop kick to the head" worthy than anything else.


Do these guys only see what they want to see?

Yeah a older 9/11 truther was hanging up large signs, and Mark Roberts goes over rips them off and rubs it in the older man's face. mark then says "Your a jackass" and the old man says "Don't call me a jackass" then Mark throws the sign on the floor and the old man bends down to pick it up and Mark says "I'll call you a *********** jackass!"

[nicepants]

I'll give you a better example. Avery recently had a radio debate with Killtown over the no-planes issue. The next week, Avery and Bermas were interviewed by the same host:

Avery and Bermas are the same no-planer creeps who completely dismiss the Pentagon and Shanksville eyewitnesses! They also claim that the WTC planes weren't flights 11 and 175, despite the witnesses on those planes telling us what was happening to them.

What hideous creeps.


I heard the exchange between KT and Dylan the week prior. At one point KT actually made a very valid point. Dylan said that KT's theories about no planes were absurd, considering all eyewitnesses, videos, etc, to which KT replied something to the effect of:

"Why is a theory about no planes hitting WTC 1 & 2 any more absurd than your claim that no plane hit the pentagon?"

Dylan wouldn't provide an answer.

[The Doc]

This reminds me of the BBC documentary where Dylan said "Popular Mechanics specialize in tractors... they have no business investigating 9/11".

Yeah, right Dylan! And what is your specialty that gives you business investigating 9/11?

[nicepants]

The longer Dylan keeps this charade up, the dumber he is going to look in the long-run. If he had not become so involved in the "Truth Movement", he could have eventually claimed that LC V1 was indeed a fictional creation (ala borat) and meant to showcase his creative editing skills, market himself, etc.

I'm sure there would be some backlash from people who would believe that this was certainly not "PC", but it would at least allow him to escape with some shred of dignity.

It appears, however, that he has made his decision to go down with the ship.

[Stellafane]

...But since the Loose Change project is hardly turning out to be a pleasant experience the fact that he's stuck with it has got to be seen as either a strong belief in the material or terror at the backlash from the psychos.

The backlash thing is a good point, actually. Can you imagine having a fan base where every single member is exactly like the Kathy Bates character in "Misery"?

[T.A.M.]

Civilized:

How pathetic that these idiot "Mamma's Basement" Hermits do not even know the names of some of the few people who have courage, albeit misdirected, to actually DO SOMETHING about what they believe in. I am no fan of Les and Jack, but at least they are walking their walk.

TAM:)

[Civilized Worm]

If he can't tell what's going on in the video it doesn't surprise me that he can't identify the participants.

[LashL]

Congrats on your 8000th post Gravy. Well used :) I wonder what my 1000th will look like.

Like this:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=2639073#post2639073

Congratulations :)

[kimota]

Its all very simple. 9-11 Truth is their new religion. It is a religion based on faith...not science. Those scientists who agree with them (all 5) have opened their eyes to the Truth. All those who disagree with them are in denial of the truth..no matter how much they looked at the evidence or analyzed the science. If they disagree..they are in denial of the Truth..and thats it. Their denial is based on sheepish obedience to their leaders, fear, or actual participation in the lie. Simple difference of opinion or understanding of evidence?....cant be.

Those who deny 9-11 Truth are like the Jews who refused Jesus Christ. They are blinded by greed, blinded by their refusal to accept what is so very clear and true to the truthers. And as we have read before, those who defend "the lie" will be held accountable for their deceit, just as many believe that the Jews will be held accountable for their rejection of Christ.

It sucks that the 9-11 Truth movemant has to be put into such terms, but their philosophies and their opinions of those who disagree with them is remarkably similar to those of a new religion. "They" are right. Everyone else is wrong. And those who disagree can't just be different, they must be motivated by sinister thoughts, greed, or fear. This is how 9-11 Truth most resembles a cult.
I get that impression as well. Add to that the vast number of posts of truthers warning or threating with their Judgement Day, when "the truth will come out" and anyone opposing them will live in fear or be outright punished.

[Slayhamlet]

Looks like irony is the new stupid in Trutherville.

[Crungy]

This reminds me of the BBC documentary where Dylan said "Popular Mechanics specialize in tractors... they have no business investigating 9/11".

Yeah, right Dylan! And what is your specialty that gives you business investigating 9/11?

Hey, I was gonna post that, but ya beat me to it. I wonder if Dylan ever found out the meaning of the word "simile"?

Does Dylan realize that Mark has probably enriched many a vistors Big Apple experience, while this poor man's Alex Jones has done nothing but provide a years worth of delusional jerk off fantasies to the worlds Killtowns and P'dohs?

I'd love to oversee an Avery and Bermas internship where they tackling real problems with adults and not a world populated by little rebelious tween rebels and overgrown kooky mommas boys like Kevin Ryan.

[NoZed Avenger]

What if he ate a whole lot?

Or wore lifts? (the shoe type, not the British elevator type)


Then he'd definitely be a bigger hypocrite.

[Undesired Walrus]

Hey, I was gonna post that, but ya beat me to it. I wonder if Dylan ever found out the meaning of the word "simile"?


Dylan did very badly in that video to a British Audience. Brits dont like American slackers like him, and he did everything wrong. He sat backwards on his chair, had an expensive house by doing nothing, and went something like "This is where the magic happens". I'm sure a majority of Britain cheered when posh-sounding Guy Smith went "He was using a similie. What he said was a similie".

[CHF]

I'm sure a majority of Britain cheered when posh-sounding Guy Smith went "He was using a similie. What he said was a similie".

The look on Dylan's face was classic.

Oh crap, what do I do now? Think Dylan, think!

"Well he'd say that now, wouldn't he?

Yeah, that's it! Call Miller a liar!

[Undesired Walrus]

The look on Dylan's face was classic.

Oh crap, what do I do now? Think Dylan, think!

"Well he'd say that now, wouldn't he?

Yeah, that's it! Call Miller a liar!

Quickly diverting it to "I'm sure that's what wally said, but if a 767 dived into the ground there would still be a bit of it sticking out! "

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p297/ldl21/1a.jpg

Think Dylan! Think!

[Belz...]

Is it just me or does he just looks like a kid ?

How old is he, anyway ?

[uk_dave]

Is it just me or does he just looks like a kid ?

How old is he, anyway ?

53 of your earth years.

[chipmunk stew]

Is it just me or does he just looks like a kid ?

How old is he, anyway ?
He's in his early twenties, but refers to himself, oddly, as a "snarky teenager" :con2:

[Belz...]

Not to anybody's surprise.

[kimota]

...I can no longer sit idly by and watch people like him[Killtown] perpetrate this ridiculous theory which – I'm sorry – doesn't have any basis.
:id:
You're sure this isn't Bizarro Dylan Avery???

[negativ]

Narrator: In today's rapidly changing world, internet fads appear every fifteen minutes utilizing some new promotional device. Some of these devices have been known to leave irreparable scars on the minds of foolish young web surfers. One such case is seated here before you: Doh'py McChit, that cute little Troofer!

Doh'py recently fell in love with a publicity photo of a boy named Dylan Avery...

http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p297/ldl21/1a.jpg

...lead fabricator of a film called "Loose Change". In the photograph, Dylan was seen with a beautiful shiny hairdo, in a semi-profile which emphasized the pooched-out succulence of his insolent pouting rictus, the sight of which drove the helpless young Twoofer MAD with DESIRE!

Doh'py: I can't stand the way he pouts! ('Cause he might not be pouting for me :( ) His hair's so shiny and it's cut real nice, 'till I squirm with ecstacy!

Avery! Avery! Give me your lips... to DIE on! (I promise not to [CENSORED])






I guess it works a lot better if you know the song...

[bonavada]

I'm guessing that if Avery does indeed peruse this forum

<snip>

So what do you say, Dylan? Come on over and join the adults, or spend a few more weeks with the weird children before filling out a Burger King application -- the choice is yours.

nominated....great prose

BV

[peteweaver]

This is the same Dylan "We're really broke" Avery who doesn't have to go to work and do a hard days work, who can spend $30,000 out of his own wallet in funding 'truth' conferences who sells dvd's at $17.50
a throw and claims to have sold more than 50,000 copies.

Broke compared to who ? Bill Gates ?

[Unsecured Coins]

Narrator: In today's rapidly changing world, internet fads appear every fifteen minutes utilizing some new promotional device. Some of these devices have been known to leave irreparable scars on the minds of foolish young web surfers. One such case is seated here before you: Doh'py McChit, that cute little Troofer!

Doh'py recently fell in love with a publicity photo of a boy named Dylan Avery...



...lead fabricator of a film called "Loose Change". In the photograph, Dylan was seen with a beautiful shiny hairdo, in a semi-profile which emphasized the pooched-out succulence of his insolent pouting rictus, the sight of which drove the helpless young Twoofer MAD with DESIRE!

Doh'py: I can't stand the way he pouts! ('Cause he might not be pouting for me :( ) His hair's so shiny and it's cut real nice, 'till I squirm with ecstacy!

Avery! Avery! Give me your lips... to DIE on! (I promise not to [CENSORED]

That is the most disturbing thing I have ever read.