When Will 9/11 Go the Way of Apollo?

[NeoRicen]

I've been thinking, 9/11 Conspiracies are, despite our efforts, still extremely popular (relative to other CT nonsense), so when will these whacko's theories become as obscure as Moon Landing theories?

It appears to me that as long as the US has a Republican government they will remain strong for some time, BUT, if in '08 a Democrat is elected will many of them shut up?

There will always be Conspiracy Theorists about 9/11, it's something we'll have to put up with until we die but surely their numbers and popularity will decrease soon, but how soon?

Vote and Discuss.

[PhantomWolf]

You do realise that the Apollo Hoax Theories are quite alive and well? They might not come here, but spend a while at ApolloHoax or BAUT and you'll see what I mean.

[qarnos]

When it gets enough exposure for people outside the CT/debunking community to see it and laugh at it.

[NeoRicen]

You do realise that the Apollo Hoax Theories are quite alive and well? They might not come here, but spend a while at ApolloHoax or BAUT and you'll see what I mean.

Well they're certainly not at the level of 9/11 and there aren't protests and all that nonsense, and they don't have people liek Charlie Sheen and Rosie O'Donnell endorsing them all the time.

PS: Poll's Up

PSS: The question isn't when they will disappear, rather when they die DOWN, accidently said Out.

[boloboffin]

America actually having an election and a Democrat being elected will make the matter settle down. However, those motivated by true Bush Derangement Syndrome will then start tracking the players through their corporate world jobs, and those motivated by Government Derangement Syndrome (the greater plurality in the 9/11 CTers) will convert Bush to Clinton, and keep going.

However, a change in the White House will take a bit of the wind out of their sails. Barring a Oliver Stone-type bump for the truthers, I'd say that 9/11 truth will be ignorable in ten years time.

However, 9/11 CT has wings that not even JFK CT has - the Internet and the greater distribution of recording technology. And if you pay any mind to Web 2.0 concerns, one of the things we are teaching the Machine is 9/11 CT. Try doing a Google search about any 9/11-related topic. You have to wade through so much [rule8] to find anything useful!

Perhaps one of the features a personalized search engine will give is the ability to permanently exclude certain websites from searches, and to flag others based on their links to banned websites. Of course, an AI could be developed to balance links to banned websites with links to approved websites (like JREF or Gravy's papers, etc), making the flagged websites a bit more manageable.

Anyway, I don't think 9/11 CT will ever be as forgettable as Apollo, but it should get bearable.

[PhantomWolf]

Joe Rogan (the idiot off Fear Factor) was promoting the Apollo Hoax about two months back, but really I don't think that the Apollo fruitcakes have ever been into protesting and sign waving. It's like JFK and PH.

[PhantomWolf]

I think a lot of the luke warm truthers will drop out went the Democrats win in 08, but the real hardcorers will hang on in, especially those that don't blame Bush but rather Mossad or the NWO or TPTB. Of course a lot of the older Hoaxes are quiet at the moment because many of the Proponents of them (Eric Huffscmitt, Jack White, Rense, etc) have switched to 9/11 because they see new fertile ground rather then having to reharsh the same old same old or JFK and Apollo, but as 9/11 fades with the Dems being in power, a lot of them will return to their old haunting grounds again (Jack White is still producing Apollo "studies." The latest being a series of photos that show the LM rotating as the Astronaut takes photos from slightly different positions. JW seems unable to understand why the LM rotates only slightly, the flag in front of it moves a distance to the right and the mountain behind moves some distance to the left.)

[uk_dave]

It's always difficult to word a poll question in such a way that it doesn't conflict with the choice of answers.

In this case, to say 'begin to die out' can be very subjective. We could argue that it already has started to die out since traffic stats to 'truther' sites seems to be dropping off. But interest will peak and slump depending on the media coverage.

If ever Avery releases his little film no doubt interest will peak, but in the subsequent weeks it will probably drop off again as whatever LIHOP or MIHOP claims he is sticking to are found to be without basis in reality.

Already we can see over at LCF a degree of boredom setting in amongst the faithful. There are more posts about illuminati/nwo, vaccines, politics and "Look at me! Look at me!" than before and apart from regurgitating the same old debunked 911 stuff there is nothing new appearing to bolster their fantasies.

Maybe the architects and 'engineers' website will provide the 'truthers' with a few new buzz words to bandy around as if they know what they mean (I expect to see 'stanchion' used in exciting and novel ways) but apart from that....nothing.

So the 'truthers' will start to grow up and lead normal lives, perhaps with a nostalgic longing for the days of '911 truth', and the next generation will discover their own CT to latch on to.

When will the 911CT's begin to die out? They already are

[Dave Rogers]

I had to vote for never. 9/11 conspiracy theories are nothing to do with external events, they are entirely belief based, so as long as the events of 9/11 are recorded in the history books there will be people who choose to believe versions of those events that contradict all the evidence. Therefore, since I don't think they will ever actually die out, it would be incorrect to say they will begin to die out at any particular time. As for when they die down enough to sink below popular consciousness, I think that in the UK they already have, courtesy largely of the BBC's "Conspiracy Files" documentary.

Dave

[MaGZ]

I voted never. I think 9/11 will continued to be debated as the JFK assassination continues to be debated. I do think with the next change in administration there will be a good chance of news reporters–who no longer feel threaten with a national security act–to reveal what they know happened.

[Slayhamlet]

I voted never. I think 9/11 will continued to be debated as the JFK assassination continues to be debated. I do think with the next change in administration there will be a good chance of news reporters–who no longer feel threaten with a national security act–to reveal what they know happened.

You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

Just thought I'd let you know.

[NeoRicen]

I voted never. I think 9/11 will continued to be debated as the JFK assassination continues to be debated. I do think with the next change in administration there will be a good chance of news reporters–who no longer feel threaten with a national security act–to reveal what they know happened.
Riiiiight, so the government commited 9/11 for a mere 2 terms?....... Or IO supposed the Democrats and Republicans are all in a big New World Order and the fighting is just for show?

[CptColumbo]

I notice that CTs grow in popularity the further away from the event we get. This is mainly due to the actual participants and witnesses passing away, and can no longer be called upon to contradict the "new findings." This may just be my perception.

I really dislike biographies that come out right after the subject of the biography dies, especially when it contains "controversial material." IMO it's cowardly to accuse someone of something, when they have no chance of responding.

[beachnut]

I voted never. I think 9/11 will continued to be debated as the JFK assassination continues to be debated. I do think with the next change in administration there will be a good chance of news reporters–who no longer feel threaten with a national security act–to reveal what they know happened.
I voted never also, because there will always be people unable to think for themselves and they fall for the fraud of 9/11 truth.

We have some examples of those too researched challenged to figure out simple things about 9/11. The lies of 9/11 put forth by the 9/11 truth movement will be around for a long time. Because there are dumb people who believe anything and refuse to find facts.

[CptColumbo]

I think never as well. I was just on a forum a few months ago discussing CTs and someone mentioned that J Edgar Hoover was a crossdresser (to prove that the FBI was incompetant). I asked for proof of that statement, and he replied it was "common knowledge" that Hoover was a tranvestite. Another person said there were pictures, which I assumed he/she could produce since they were of a famous person and would most likely be available on the Internet. I was asked to leave since I was obviously a "JREFer."

[JonnyFive]

Although it'll probably go that way by the end of this president's term of office, it might also just take something else for them to think is a conspiracy. So unless something big happens before the '08 election, then it'll probably just fade out.

It seems like there's always one big conspiracy of the day, along with the background radiation of every conspiracy theory from the past. You'll notice that a lot of 9/11 CTists are bringing up things like the Federal Reserve, Illuminati, NWO, etc.

[Civilized Worm]

It may die down but it'll never die out.

Look at all the Da Vinci code crap, that's the oldest conspiracy around and people still buy in to it!

[Juustin]

Apollo wasn't a hoax, he won fair and square, and the girl he was dancing with was rather cute.

[CptColumbo]

Apollo wasn't a hoax, he won fair and square, and the girl he was dancing with was rather cute.

But then he lost to Rocky, and got his block knocked-off by Ivan Drago.

[jaydeehess]

I voted "decades" because I understood the poll question to be 'when will it die down to the level of the Apollo Hoax'.

I agree with those above who have said that 9/11 is simply new fertile ground for the usual suspects in conspiracy profiteering.

[Darth Rotor]

When Will 9/11 Go the Way of Apollo?
When the Oracle at Delphi returns.

I voted never, since MaGZ voted never and he's never wrong. :rolleyes:

DR

[PhantomWolf]

It may die down but it'll never die out.

Look at all the Da Vinci code crap, that's the oldest conspiracy around and people still buy in to it!

Actually that is relatively new. It was started with books like Richard Leigh and Michael Baigent's The Holy Blood, and the Holy Grail which was published in 1982, but really come into it's own only when Dan Brown wrote The Da Vinci Code. Interestingly enough, if Richard Leigh and Michael Baigent had admitted that their book was actually fiction, they would have won their suit against Brown, but because they insisted it was true, then it was a reference book and Brown was able to plagurise it liberally with told impunity. I guess the final joke was on them.

[Yurebiz]

I'd say when the FBI obtains hard evidence that Usama did it D:

[PhantomWolf]

Well since the evidence that Osama was behind the finacing and organisation is purely circumstancial, though rather overwhelming, they won't likely ever have hard evidence for it. What do you expect? Fingerprints? DNA? Witnesses seeing him handing them their boarding passes?

[T.A.M.]

Finding evidence that OBL "Did It", is similar to trying to find evidence that AL Capone killed his enemies...

TAM:)

[bje]

It's always difficult to word a poll question in such a way that it doesn't conflict with the choice of answers.

In this case, to say 'begin to die out' can be very subjective. We could argue that it already has started to die out since traffic stats to 'truther' sites seems to be dropping off. But interest will peak and slump depending on the media coverage.

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When will the 911CT's begin to die out? They already are


I agree with your entire assessment. We only see a rehash of old debunked nonsense even with new CT sites. There is nothing there but more hot air.

Bush's departure from office will take some wind out of it but I believe it will take some time for 9/11 CTers to realize that nobody gives a damn and that society is sick and tired of them. Eventually those that are left will be on the fringe margins of society along with Holocaust Deniers, and will be viewed as no different.

[Thunder]

The election of a Democrat would be a big help. But 9-11 Truth is a new religion, and there will always be hard core believers.

[LashL]

Agreed.

There will always be a supply of angst-ridden teenagers, high school dropouts, and meandering college-age kids who didn't get accepted at institutes of higher learning, to "rage against the machine".

There will also always be a certain contingent of disappointed failed-to-achieve-their-goals-in-life-and-didn't-make-it-in-their-field adults to take up the troofer cause, in an effort to ascribe some kind of greater meaning to their lives than they have ever actually achieved, as they would prefer to adopt a nutcase theory rather than admit to themselves that they failed in their aspirations, and rather than revise their present goals to accord with their actual abilities.

There is also the always present true nutcase brigade, which is well represented in the "Truth" movement.