[Merged]architects and engineers for 9/11 truth = SCAM!

[MarkyX]

http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

Put any name you want, any occupation, and you are on the list. I'll let you guess who I added.

This thing went down faster then Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

[MarkyX]

So guys, I am officially a structural engineer. 9/11 was an inside job.

Discuss.

[ref]

Oh, what a fraud site that is :faint:

Scam doesn't take you far, Gage :busted


Mark Iradian, Structural Engineer
Canada City, ONT

[MarkyX]

That was my SECOND one. Try to guess my first one. HINT: It's not so obvious.

[NeoRicen]

Wow, total Scam, I just added George Bush as an Architect and it's on the list.

Spam time!!

PS:
Now they have the support of:
Richard Head B.Arch, Scam Artist

[ref]

Other very credible names from that site:

Crystal, Mechanical Engineer
Seattle, WA

So, you are a mechanical engineer and you don't give your full name. Ok.



Dr. P. S. Merkwurdiglieb, Chemical Engineer
Tampa, Florida

This is Dr. Merkwurdiglieb's myspace:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=11683335 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=11683335)

About me:
Im 19, go to USF college of engineering, odds are ill probably piss you off in some way at some point, dont take it personally.

[ref]

That was my SECOND one. Try to guess my first one. HINT: It's not so obvious.

This one:

Heywood J. Blomey, Engineer
South Park, Colorado

[NeoRicen]

http://www.digg.com/offbeat_news/Architects_Engineers_for_9_11_Truth_Exposed

Digg users Digg that.

[Firestone]

That was my SECOND one. Try to guess my first one. HINT: It's not so obvious.Doug Plumb? :)

ETA: by the way, my sincere congratulations on your recent promotion (no doubt cum laude) as a Structural Engineer.

[qarnos]

That was my SECOND one. Try to guess my first one. HINT: It's not so obvious.

Joe Bellows?

[MarkyX]

Nope

[NeoRicen]

That was my SECOND one. Try to guess my first one. HINT: It's not so obvious.
Gordon Freeman?

Video game characters for 9/11 Truth perhaps?

[MarkyX]

Gordon Freeman?

Video game characters for 9/11 Truth perhaps?

You win! Your reward is...the INTERNET!

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8739/ltd2khiev5v3mw2gu4x5gw5de8.gif

[ref]

JamesB? :)

James Brooks, B. Civil Eng, University of Texas, Engineering Consultant
Austin, TX

[Firestone]

New recruits for the "Truth Movement": :boggled:

7133

7132

[chipmunk stew]

Screenshot for posterity/blogging:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/2007-05-30_ae911petition.png

[defaultdotxbe]

Default D. Xbe, Engineer
Chicago, IL

i put down that i specialize in warp core theory :)

[Totovader]

This makes me wonder what he's going to do when he realizes the stupidity of his error- will he actually check credentials, or just remove people he believes to be "suspect"?

Someone should actually enter some real architects/engineers, with real credentials- and then call them and have them sue him. If he doesn't check credentials, he's responsible for the slander. Plus, it will just throw a wrench in any future attempts to allow the slush in.

[8den]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3417/farnsworthqw7.png

I told them I was a professor at Mars U, and my specialist area was "Doomsday Weapons".


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4e/Farnsworth.png/250px-Farnsworth.png

"Sure, everyone's always in favor of saving Hitler's brain, but put it in the body of a great white shark... oooooh, suddenly you've gone too far!"

[gumboot]

Ha ha. My favourite is Mr or Ms Nice fake site, who is a Hobo (is that post grad?) from Detroit.

-Gumboot

[gumboot]

Dylan Avery, Cock Master?

Now, now, guys, keep it clean.

-Gumboot

[scissorhands]

Paul Doherty, Licenced dickhead
Manchester, La la land

Ok, who put this in?
U r on ignore now ok.

[Firestone]

I like Berevtov Szánitiy BSE, Engineer and Jannes Beunhaas, Engineering consultant Hoofddorp, Noord-Holland (for those who understand Dutch). :)

And some guy named Kevin Ryan! Oh sorry ...

ETA: for the boys, even Keeley Hazell has joined the movement!

[CptColumbo]

Dr. John Zoidberg expert in Murderology and murderonomy.

His e-mail address: Beezwax@none.of.yours.com

[HyJinX]

I just don't get enough messages like this:

Dear A. Hole:
Thank you for your individual support of AE911Truth.org! Our joining together as one voice will make a huge difference! AE911Truth.org now has the necessary credibility and will very soon have the collective voice of hundreds of building professionals that Congress can not ignore. Until then please spread the word to all the building professionals you are in contact with and send them the www.ae911truth.org link and urge them to take a serious look at our no-nonsense research into the hard evidence of controlled demolition at the 3 World Trade Center high-rise buildings on 9/11. Become very informed and let the truth speak through you. We can change the world by enlightening one architect, one engineer, one other building professional, and others — one at a time!
Thanks again,
Richard Gage, AIA




You gotta love that site!

[Totovader]

I just don't get enough messages like this:

Dear A. Hole:
Thank you for your individual support of AE911Truth.org! Our joining together as one voice will make a huge difference! AE911Truth.org now has the necessary credibility and will very soon have the collective voice of hundreds of building professionals that Congress can not ignore. Until then please spread the word to all the building professionals you are in contact with and send them the www.ae911truth.org link and urge them to take a serious look at our no-nonsense research into the hard evidence of controlled demolition at the 3 World Trade Center high-rise buildings on 9/11. Become very informed and let the truth speak through you. We can change the world by enlightening one architect, one engineer, one other building professional, and others — one at a time!
Thanks again,
Richard Gage, AIA




You gotta love that site!

When he says one voice, he isn't kidding...

I think it's time that some dogs and cats join- in the spirit of Internet anonymity.

[Totovader]

McGruff the Crime Dog, Crimefighter
San Diego, CA


The conspiracy reaches the deepest levels of government...

:)

McGruff has decided to finally speak out!

[Overman]

Heywood Jablowmi...

LOL!

[Gravy]

I like Berevtov Szánitiy BSE, Engineer and Jannes Beunhaas, Engineering consultant Hoofddorp, Noord-Holland (for those who understand Dutch). :):D

[JamesB]

Uhh guys, everytime you do that it updates a counter on their home page, it now reads:

"93 architectural and engineering professionals have joined us in calling on Congress for a new investigation."

[H'ethetheth]

Uhh guys, everytime you do that it updates a counter on their home page, it now reads:

"93 architectural and engineering professionals have joined us in calling on Congress for a new investigation."But that's good news, isn't it?

Also: Firestone and Gravy,

thanks! :D

[NickUK]

Dammit, they've disabled it :(

Just as I was about to enroll Raymond Manzarek, Internal Engineer (speciality: doors).

[H'ethetheth]

Hmmm, apparently Johan L Golibal, Engineer from Spain, The Future is an actual engineer. He's still on the list. :D

[beachnut]

Sorry -- Temporarily disabled due to immature, asinine spammers.

[beachnut]

Haluk Akol, Architect & Structural Engineer Lafayette, CA
Arthur Stopes, Planner Berkeley, CA
John Eisenhart, Architect San Diego, CAKen Huthcinson, Architectural Professional
Eugene, OR
Joe Bellows, Architect
Martinez, CA
Jan Leits, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA
John Howland, Architect
Walnut Creek, CA
Michael Reuter, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA
Eric Douglas, Architect
Howard Beach, NY
Chris Jung, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA
Peter Hendrickson, Architect
Santa Rosa, CA
Tim Clark, Architectural Professional
Albany, CA
Osvaldo Valdes, Architect
New York, NY
Jason Wilkinson, Architectural Professional
Berkeley, CA
Lily Livingston, Architect
Oakland, CA
Wendy Sitler, Designer
Berkeley, CA
Chris Swigert, Architect
Oakland, CA
Dominique Roddier, phD, Naval Architect
Berkeley, CA
Jim Bedinghaus, Architect
St. Petersburg, Florida
Karlene Gullone, Architectural Professional
San Francisco, CA

They better check these, who said an Electrical and Computer Engineering degree would be a waste flying jets?

[chipmunk stew]

Sorry -- Temporarily disabled due to immature, asinine spammers.
Should read:
Sorry -- Permanently disabled due to pervasive, crippling stupidity.

[beachnut]

Thank you for your individual support of AE911Truth.org! Our joining together as one voice will make a huge difference! AE911Truth.org now has the necessary credibility and will very soon have the collective voice of hundreds of building professionals that Congress can not ignore. Until then please spread the word to all the building professionals you are in contact with and send them the www.ae911truth.org (http://www.ae911truth.org/) link and urge them to take a serious look at our no-nonsense research into the hard evidence of controlled demolition at the 3 World Trade Center high-rise buildings on 9/11. Become very informed and let the truth speak through you. We can change the world by enlightening one architect, one engineer, one other building professional, and others — one at a time!
Thanks again,
Richard Gage, AIA


You have been enlightened by one super dolt on 9/11. This guy is really bitten. Pass the KoolAid.

How can you be this dumb? I have fallen for dumb things in my life, but it is usually something with money. Is he doing it for the money. The lecture circuit?

[Totovader]

Should read:
Sorry -- Permanently disabled due to pervasive, crippling stupidity.

Yeah, shame on people for pointing out that credentials mean nothing to a group... which was created to give the appearance of credentials...

Times like this- I'm reminded of Phil Plait (The Bad Astronomer) in the P&T episode on conspiracy theories: "The astronauts didn't go to the moon to take pictures of the stars, they went to the moon to take pictures of nnnnnnnnnnyaaaaaa the MOON!"

That part cracks me up every time.

[JamesB]

Hey, they took Mohammed Atta off the list. He is actually qualified for the group, he was an architecture grad student in Hamburg. If he weren't dead from flying a plane into the World Trade Center I am sure he would be very supportive of the group.

[beachnut]

Uhh guys, everytime you do that it updates a counter on their home page, it now reads:

"93 architectural and engineering professionals have joined us in calling on Congress for a new investigation."

72 and shrinking


7. Tons of molten Metal (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/moltensteel.html) found by CDI (Demolition Contractor) in basement (no other possible source than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)

Where did they see the tons of molten Metal? I have yet to see the tons of molten metal. How do these truther dolts find tons of molteh metal and keep it secret for 5 years?

I bet they are talking about the 3 or 4 pressed floors of the WTC. The tons of concrete floor not dustified, with steel rusting inside and around.

[CptColumbo]

Wow, so he might have to actually do some checking of credentials?

[Totovader]

This makes me wonder what he's going to do when he realizes the stupidity of his error- will he actually check credentials, or just remove people he believes to be "suspect"?

Someone should actually enter some real architects/engineers, with real credentials- and then call them and have them sue him. If he doesn't check credentials, he's responsible for the slander. Plus, it will just throw a wrench in any future attempts to allow the slush in.

As I suspected- he's just gone in and removed the obvious ones- instead of rethinking the admittance policy altogether. This means that there are still plenty of individuals on there that don't exist, or do not agree with the ae911truth site. They really do think they are more popular than they really are.

Are we allowed to scream censorship, though? Someone has to speak on behalf of McGruff the Crimefighting Dog...

[boloboffin]

Who's going to make the cut? :D

[Totovader]

Who's going to make the cut? :D

Apparently, Ms. Garrison of "Sp" Colorado has had her credentials cleared...

[Undesired Walrus]

Man that site is dumb. I'm not even a structual engineer (And hey, I guess they aint either) and I can point out obvious flaws in every single one of their points.

Fires not big
6.5 seconds claim
Explosionzz!!1
etc etc.

It is amusing how CTers take the FDNY's gospel truth on "molten steel" when they are quite happy to simply ignore mounds and mounds of eyewitness testimony to the contrary on WTC7 clearly not coming down in a controlled demolition.

[Furcifer]

"Sorry -- Temporarily disabled due to immature, asinine spammers."

sadly Kodos was the first to go, there will be retaliation to the humans no doubt

[CptColumbo]

Anytime the "Twoofers" whine and complain about JREFers and other skeptics organizing (pointing out a way to show a flaw in a CT site) to spam a site, I just remember how they celebrated the shutting down of the United 93 forum, and don't feel bad at all.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the internet... or plan your site better.

[chipmunk stew]

Apparently, Ms. Garrison of "Sp" Colorado has had her credentials cleared...
And "max jr."

[Totovader]

Anytime the "Twoofers" whine and complain about JREFers and other skeptics organizing (pointing out a way to show a flaw in a CT site) to spam a site, I just remember how they celebrated the shutting down of the United 93 forum, and don't feel bad at all.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the internet... or plan your site better.

And there's no way "we" were generating enough traffic to cause problems- it's just that the ease with which one could claim credentials and never have them verified really showed the fundamental flaw of the whole conspiracy movement.

He was obviously embarrassed by that.

Hey, we organized for truth! Are they ashamed of the truth?

[beachnut]

His web site tells lies, why not have fake people to go with the fake facts.

The Undersigned - a list of people unable to understand 9/11 and they are now all promoting lies. What a list.

Some of them are 50s, late 50s, they are BS kings and care less about facts, do not let fact mess with, or get in the way of my political goals you fools. These guys have losts their marbles and have no clue what they are doing. (mr skinny and beachnut are exempt)

[~enigma~]

Werner Planck?! Who has no imagination?

[beachnut]

Sorry -- Temporarily disabled due to immature, asinine spammers.

Sorry -- Temporarily disabled due to immature, asinine spammers. We apologize for them and the inconvenience.

They are now apologizing for those dumb spammers, Should read

Sorry -- We had some fake people register, it would not be right to have fake people and fake evidence. Would it?

Sorry -- Some people on the list, like Atta, know for sure we are telling lies; we can not have that.

[scissorhands]

I see they still have Norman Foster enrolled.
Thats a major coup for the truth.

[JonnyFive]

http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

Put any name you want, any occupation, and you are on the list. I'll let you guess who I added.

This thing went down faster then Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

"Sometimes... the right man in the... wrong place... can make all the dif-ference... in the world."

Freeman's a disinfo shill, you fool!

[Garb]

Mark Iradian, Structural Engineer
Canada City, ONT

Still up there.

[Gravy]

I see they still have Norman Foster enrolled.
Thats a major coup for the truth.Especially since he designed the new Hearst building in New York. What a turncoat!

[Dumb All Over]

I'm surprised Art Vandelay isn't on the list.

[JonnyFive]

Damn them and their anti-spam measures.

Archibald "Harry" Tuttle seriously supports the 9/11 Truth movement. He's an HVAC Engineer, you know. :)

[scissorhands]

Note: Until further notice, your name will not be shown on the list of supporters until you have been verified as a valid identity. This is merely an anti-spamming measure.

Does this mean they will check the validity of all previous entries?
I doubt it.

[JonnyFive]

Does this mean they will check the validity of all previous entries?
I doubt it.

Perhaps we can ask Dr. Freeman that question.

[Mr. Skinny]

Some of them are 50s, late 50s, they are BS kings and care less about facts, do not let fact mess with, or get in the way of my political goals you fools. These guys have losts their marbles and have no clue what they are doing.
And what, Mr. Beachnut, is your evidence that being in one's 50's means one could care less about facts?

I await your informed reply.

Skinny (about to turn 55 and slightly miffed @ Beachnut)

[scissorhands]

Perhaps we can ask Dr. Freeman that question.

Wasnt he responsible for screwing up the space time continuum resulting in zombie scientists and those three eyed electric dog things?
I wouldnt have him design my building project.

[Triterope]

You all missed the funniest part. From the Signup page:

Note: Until further notice, your name will not be shown on the list of supporters until you have been verified as a valid identity. This is merely an anti-spamming measure.

That's right folks, verifying credentials to enter a scholarly group is just a temporary measure brought about by evil Internet spammers!

[JonnyFive]

Wasnt he responsible for screwing up the space time continuum resulting in zombie scientists and those three eyed electric dog things?
I wouldnt have him design my building project.

To be fair, it wasn't his fault. All he did was push the sample into the beam. The resonance cascade was completely the fault of the scientists that designed the stupid experiment.

That being said, all that jumping around in Xen seems to have damaged his brain a bit. I mean, 9/11 Truth? Come on!

[beachnut]

And what, Mr. Beachnut, is your evidence that being in one's 50's means one could care less about facts?

I await your informed reply.

Skinny (about to turn 55 and slightly miffed @ Beachnut)
I mean you, you old person-- I am glad I am not old. (May 30, 1952 - was my first day; seems like about ended for me today)

I am very informed at sticking foot in mouth. It is not the age, but I do share your experience in orbital trips around the sun.

I was looking up some of the people who signed up. They share our age, but why are they not into the facts? What is that part of awareness they have suspended, and skipped to a conclusion that is false and not supported.

You are right it is not age. But why have they made the leap and missed the entire truth?

They have lost another one - 71 - down from 72. In three days they will be back to ONE.

http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eov/ Does this guy in NYC really know what he is into? Osvaldo Valdes, Architect
New York, NY

[uk_dave]

Damn them and their anti-spam measures.

Archibald "Harry" Tuttle seriously supports the 9/11 Truth movement. He's an HVAC Engineer, you know. :)

He works for Central Services, doesn't he? ;)

[CptColumbo]

He works for Central Services, doesn't he? ;)

You're thinking of Harry Buttle.

[scissorhands]

To be fair, it wasn't his fault. All he did was push the sample into the beam. The resonance cascade was completely the fault of the scientists that designed the stupid experiment.

That being said, all that jumping around in Xen seems to have damaged his brain a bit. I mean, 9/11 Truth? Come on!

From what I recall, he was late for work, hence the jumpiness of the scientists and possibly why they got the settings wrong.
He had culpability.
Classic game that one.:)

[chipmunk stew]

You all missed the funniest part. From the Signup page:



That's right folks, verifying credentials to enter a scholarly group is just a temporary measure brought about by evil Internet spammers!
I guess that means they've verified everyone currently on the list?
Updated screenshot:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/2007-05-30_ae911petition_verified.png

[beachnut]

I guess that means they've verified everyone currently on the list?
Updated screenshot:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/2007-05-30_ae911petition_verified.png


Note: Until further notice, your name will not be shown on the list of supporters until you have been verified as a valid identity. This is merely an anti-spamming measure.

But have they really checked all those people? -1

[Mr. Skinny]

I mean you, you old person-- I am glad I am not old. (May 30, 1952 - was my first day; seems like about ended for me today)

Shoot, you're almost 2 weeks older than me. :D

All is forgiven, you poor, tired, geezer!


ETA: Happy Birthday, Beachnut!

[JamesB]

Hey, they left Mark on there but took off Mohammed Atta. That is racial profiling!

[JimBenArm]

Shoot, you're almost 2 weeks older than me. :D

All is forgiven, you poor, tired, geezer!
Jan 29, 1955. Boy you guys are old. Ancient, even!

[Unsecured Coins]

I guess that means Mike Oxmall, Demo Expert, is not getting in...

[Firestone]

I mean you, you old person-- I am glad I am not old. (May 30, 1952 - was my first day; seems like about ended for me today):hbd:

And many many more years of reminding truthers they have no facts!

[beachnut]

http://www.ae911truth.org/ Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth!

If I was in the AIA, and the symbol was displayed on a site of woo, I would have mr woo booted out for being full of woo.

http://www.aia.org/ Why do you let your name be used by woo?

I would kick one membership! (AIA Information Central 800-242-3837) (InfoCentral@AIA.org (InfoCentral@AIA.org?subject=AIA Website Login Inquiry&body=Please provide your AIA Member Number or Customer Number to expedite the response to your inquiry.%0A%0AAIA Member Number or Customer Number:%0A%0APlease state your inquiry:) I wonder if this is a good address to ask why they sponsor this web site?)

[John Blonn]

Whoever put Thomas Kuhn on the list is my flipping hero. :bigclap

[T.A.M.]

what a farce...I hope someone screen saved for future laughs and giggles.

TAM:)

[JamesB]

And now Alex Floum is touting Mark's creds over at 9/11 Blogger.

Screw Loose Change, in paroding the "Structural Engineers Question Collapse of the World Trade Center" article, inadvertently alerted me to the fact that a new structural engineer just joined Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:

Mark Iradian, Structural Engineer, of Canada City (Ontario), Canada

Hat tip to Screw Loose Change.

http://911blogger.com/node/9023
These people are beyond parody.

[chipmunk stew]

I guess that means they've verified everyone currently on the list?
Updated screenshot:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/2007-05-30_ae911petition_verified.png

what a farce...I hope someone screen saved for future laughs and giggles.

TAM:)
Yep. There's a less subtle pre-purge screen shot further up-thread, too.

[Mr. Skinny]

http://www.ae911truth.org/ Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth!

If I was in the AIA, and the symbol was displayed on a site of woo, I would have mr woo booted out for being full of woo.

http://www.aia.org/ Why do you let your name be used by woo?

I would kick one membership! (AIA Information Central 800-242-3837) (InfoCentral@AIA.org I wonder if this is a good address to ask why they sponsor this web site?)
I dropped them a quick email, indicating they might want to be aware of the site.

[chipmunk stew]

And now Alex Floum is touting Mark's creds over at 9/11 Blogger.



http://911blogger.com/node/9023
These people are beyond parody.
Too funny.

John Albanese (http://911blogger.com/node/9023#comment-146815) is relieved:
FINALLY I can feel comfortable in my own skin discussing this issue. It is no longer an embarrassing urban myth type issue. The issue has REAL legs. Lets here Tucker Carlson call these experts “Quacks” - as he did with Dr. Jones. Lets see the media attempt to call a prestigious cross-section of dozens of engineers, architects and physicists with ACCREDITATION “conspiracy theorists.”
Poor guy. :D

[Furcifer]

"We should all thank Mark Iradian for inadvertently pointing out the flawed signup system!"

Thanks Mark :)

[JonnyFive]

From what I recall, he was late for work, hence the jumpiness of the scientists and possibly why they got the settings wrong.
He had culpability.
Classic game that one.:)

Well, maybe they should lay off the coffee, then.

Yes it is, definitely one that holds up well over time.

[rwguinn]

And what, Mr. Beachnut, is your evidence that being in one's 50's means one could care less about facts?

I await your informed reply.

Skinny (about to turn 55 and slightly miffed @ Beachnut)

I am Also somewhat miffed
I also would like some evidence from Beachnut on that issue--a 56 year old PE says...
With the name "Beach nut" does that mean he is the typical golden-brown, blond surfer dud in his 20's?

[jhunter1163]

November 19, 1963. Three days before the Kennedy assassination. Also the 100th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address.

I have to say, I feel younger than I did a few minutes ago... ;)

[aggle-rithm]

November 19, 1963. Three days before the Kennedy assassination. Also the 100th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address.

I have to say, I feel younger than I did a few minutes ago... ;)

April, 1963. Whippersnapper.

[Mr. Skinny]

I am Also somewhat miffed
I also would like some evidence from Beachnut on that issue--a 56 year old PE says...
With the name "Beach nut" does that mean he is the typical golden-brown, blond surfer dud in his 20's?
See post #65, rw. Today's his 55th birthday. :D

[aggle-rithm]

Sorry -- Temporarily disabled due to immature, asinine spammers. We apologize for them and the inconvenience.

They are now apologizing for those dumb spammers, Should read

Sorry -- We had some fake people register, it would not be right to have fake people and fake evidence. Would it?

Sorry -- Some people on the list, like Atta, know for sure we are telling lies; we can not have that.

"We will soon implement a strict screening procedure in which only people with plausible-sounding names, titles, and locations will be accepted..."

[CptColumbo]

November 19, 1963. Three days before the Kennedy assassination. Also the 100th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address.

I have to say, I feel younger than I did a few minutes ago... ;)

More importantly, four days before "Doctor Who" premiered.

[JonnyFive]

I'm surprised they haven't noticed our friend Gordon yet. That one stuck out like a goddamn road flare when I scanned the list.

[H'ethetheth]

I'm surprised they haven't noticed our friend Gordon yet. That one stuck out like a goddamn road flare when I scanned the list.I guess that would depend on having played the game, which, incidentally, I find essential to ones upbringing.

[beachnut]

I am Also somewhat miffed
I also would like some evidence from Beachnut on that issue--a 56 year old PE says...
With the name "Beach nut" does that mean he is the typical golden-brown, blond surfer dud in his 20's?
Sorry sir.

I have lots of experience at foot in mouth. Today my daughter's K-Class did their annual sing to an old guy on the phone. (if mom had not called, I would not have known I was 55, - thanks mom)

Why did the experienced people join this joker?

I think, the American Institute of Architects (AIA), the voice of the architectural profession, would be interested to know thier symbol heads the web page of woo.

[JamesB]

Holy crap these people are idiots. Even after they are completely aware that people are trying to spoof their list, they still will let anyone with an even somewhat plausible same join their list.

Yuri A. Durak, Architect
Brooklyn, NY

For those of you who don't know. Durak is a distinguished Russian title. In fact they even named a card game after it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durak

[Mr. Skinny]

I think, the American Institute of Architects (AIA), the voice of the architectural profession, would be interested to know thier symbol heads the web page of woo.
I already dropped them a line, beachnut. See my post at the top of this page.

[Triterope]

I'm surprised they haven't noticed our friend Gordon yet. That one stuck out like a goddamn road flare when I scanned the list.

Nothing is too obviously fake to anyone who would fail to recognize this entry as fake:

Engineers (Degreed & Licensed)
Ms. Janet Garrison, Licensed Educational Engineer
Sp, Colorado

That is stupid on so many levels I don't know how to begin describing it.

[Kent1]

Nothing is too obviously fake to anyone who would fail to recognize this entry as fake:



That is stupid on so many levels I don't know how to begin describing it.

For those that don't know

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Garrison
Sp, Colorado

[Quad4_72]

"Jack MeHoff" is about to be an architect...

[JonnyFive]

I guess that would depend on having played the game, which, incidentally, I find essential to ones upbringing.

They haven't played "Half Life?" Aren't there, like, six people in the world who haven't played "Half Life?" I mean, I'm pretty sure they drop it with UNICEF care packages these days.

Nothing is too obviously fake to anyone who would fail to recognize this entry as fake:

Yes... there is that. So... anyone want to add Mr. Tuttle to the list? Remember, that's "HVAC Engineer"... no need to be too subtle with them. :)

[H'ethetheth]

Yes... there is that. So... anyone want to add Mr. Tuttle to the list? Remember, that's "HVAC Engineer"... no need to be too subtle with them. :)I don't know. Professor Chou Rei Sho from MIT hasn't made the list yet. I submitted him hours ago.

[Unsecured Coins]

I don't know. Professor Chou Rei Sho from MIT hasn't made the list yet. I submitted him hours ago.


Funny, I added his partner E. Wayvos.

[Mr. Skinny]

They haven't played "Half Life?" Aren't there, like, six people in the world who haven't played "Half Life?" I mean, I'm pretty sure they drop it with UNICEF care packages these days.
Count me as person #1, JonnyFive.

Ya know, I'm getting a bit tired of these posts that make me feel old.

Back in my day, we used to watch The Hardy Boys on the Mickey Mouse Club TV show. We only had two TV channels, but we liked it.

I remember the day we were playing four-square in the alley behind our house, and I decided to climb a telephone pole, just before I went sorting through trash bins. I found a .22 caliber pistol, and took it home to mom. She was canning peaches, so she told me to mow the lawn, but I had to deliver my paper route so that I could go swimming. She clipped a peach pit to my belt and told me to grab a bus token and go buy a popsicle, but bread cost ten cents, so I fell asleep.

So don't call me old........

[JAStewart]

I posted myself as:

"I. B. Lying"

and email as: "lol@truthmovement.com"

[Furcifer]

Hugh G. Knaukers is a fine engineer in reputable standing with the ASCE

[Mr. Skinny]

Hugh G. Knaukers is a fine engineer in reputable standing with the ASCE
A member over at the Straight Dope Message Board uses the nick Hugh Jass. I always liked that one. :D

[Furcifer]

A member over at the Straigh Dope Message Board uses the nick Hugh Jass. I always liked that one. :D
ahh yes, i believe that's french, this hugh is of course from germany. :)

[Mr. Skinny]

ahh yes, i believe that's french, this hugh is of course from germany. :)
Being of German extraction myself, I can immediately see the distinction.

ETA: If 'my' Hugh were German, it would be pronounced Hugh Yass, which, of course, would make no sense.

[H'ethetheth]

If Hugh G Knaukers is German it would be pronounced sort of like: Hoog Gay K'nowkers.
Is that really what you're after? :D

[Unsecured Coins]

If Hugh G Knaukers is German it would be pronounced sort of like: Hoog Gay K'nowkers.
Is that really what you're after? :D


no, no, no.. it's pronounced sm-eye-th

[SpitfireIX]

I wish someone had added Osama bin Laden. He received a degree in Civil Engineering from King Abdul Aziz University in 1979. That would have been a great screen shot. Maybe they'll let their guard down in a few weeks. :D

[Furcifer]

If Hugh G Knaukers is German it would be pronounced sort of like: Hoog Gay K'nowkers.
Is that really what you're after? :D
That may be even more appropriate. All I know is he drives a "Mertz say dees"

[Furcifer]

I wish someone had added Osama bin Laden. He received a degree in Civil Engineering from King Abdul Aziz University in 1979. That would have been a great screen shot. Maybe they'll let their guard down in a few weeks. :D
I'm pretty sure he made the list earlier, but he was touting himself as an Architect (of terror)

[SpitfireIX]

A member over at the Straight Dope Message Board uses the nick Hugh Jass. I always liked that one. :D


On an early episode of The Simpsons, Bart makes one of his usual crank calls to Moe's, and asks for "Last name Jass; first name Hugh." Except when Moe shouts "Hey! Anyone seen a Hugh Jass?" a man named Hugh Jass actually comes to the phone. Bart mumbles something about wanting to bail out of a prank gone awry and hangs up. :)

[CptColumbo]

Did anyone identify themselves as the USA's most famous Architect, Mike Brady?

[qarnos]

I just submitted Uri Geller - Metallurgist.

It will be interesting to see if he makes the cut.

[SpitfireIX]

I'm pretty sure he made the list earlier, but he was touting himself as an Architect (of terror)

Listing him with his real-life credentials and the name of a small village in Pakistan as his location would have been much more humorous, IMO.

[Furcifer]

I'm pretty sure he made the list earlier, but he was touting himself as an Architect (of terror)

Listing him with his real-life credentials and the name of a small village in Pakistan as his location would have been much more humorous, IMO.
lol, yes it would have :)

[CurtC]

Count me as person #1, JonnyFive.

Ya know, I'm getting a bit tired of these posts that make me feel old.

Back in my day, we used to watch The Hardy Boys on the Mickey Mouse Club TV show. We only had two TV channels, but we liked it.
And I can be counted as person #2. I did play a computer game once, something about xyzzy and plugh.

About the number of TV channels, I recall the day my dad came home with a new TV - a black-and-white Zenith that had about a 13 inch picture. Below where it said "Zenith," it said "All Channel." I was excited to see that because I thought we'd start getting more than one channel. I was disappointed.

[Mr. Skinny]

And I can be counted as person #2. I did play a computer game once, something about xyzzy and plugh.

About the number of TV channels, I recall the day my dad came home with a new TV - a black-and-white Zenith that had about a 13 inch picture. Below where it said "Zenith," it said "All Channel." I was excited to see that because I thought we'd start getting more than one channel. I was disappointed.
*laughing* Yeah, I remember when UHF channels came into being and Dayton had three channels.

No wonder we played outdoors with friends so much more. Three TV channels, no video games, no VCR's or DVD's.

We did have that football game that vibrated the men around though. Good times......

Where's my peach pit?

[chipmunk stew]

:yikes: They're on to us!!! (http://www.ae911truth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=417#417)

Dive dive dive!!!

[MarkyX]

I don't know what's funnier...

The fact that these so called engineers are added to the list without question as I have demostrated.

Or the fact that some idiot at 911blogger believes I was a structural engineer and added Canada City as my location with Ontario in Brackets.

I don't understand how Randi or Penn/Teller managed to deal with this stupid BS on a daily basis without forcing themselves to alcohol as relief for humanity's stupidity. Time for a drink.

[H'ethetheth]

:yikes: They're on to us!!! (http://www.ae911truth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=417#417)

Dive dive dive!!!Awwwww, crap!

[JamesB]

They haven't played "Half Life?" Aren't there, like, six people in the world who haven't played "Half Life?" I mean, I'm pretty sure they drop it with UNICEF care packages these days.



Yes... there is that. So... anyone want to add Mr. Tuttle to the list? Remember, that's "HVAC Engineer"... no need to be too subtle with them. :)

I was walking through Srebrenica once, which is still pretty much trashed from the war. Bombed out buildings and such. Only about 10% of the population had returned at the time. Anyway... I came across this little Internet cafe, one of the few businesses in town, and looked inside to see a bunch of teenagers blowing each other way in Half Life. Kinda sureal.

[JimBenArm]

:yikes: They're on to us!!! (http://www.ae911truth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=417#417)

Dive dive dive!!!
Damn it, that's my line! Dadburn skimmers stealing my thunder!

[Horatius]

:yikes: They're on to us!!! (http://www.ae911truth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=417#417)

Dive dive dive!!!



If anything, we're a disorganized trolling group.

[JamesB]

I wish someone had added Osama bin Laden. He received a degree in Civil Engineering from King Abdul Aziz University in 1979. That would have been a great screen shot. Maybe they'll let their guard down in a few weeks. :D

Actually I did, but I forgot to take a screen shot. Oh well.

[scissorhands]

I was walking through Srebrenica once, which is still pretty much trashed from the war. Bombed out buildings and such. Only about 10% of the population had returned at the time. Anyway... I came across this little Internet cafe, one of the few businesses in town, and looked inside to see a bunch of teenagers blowing each other way in Half Life. Kinda sureal.

Ive only played it single player mode.
It took a ridiculously long time to get past that horrible, multiheaded, pecky, snakebird-like thing in the pit.
Clang, clang, it went with its beak, took you out in no time.
God, its all coming back now.
:eek:

[CurtC]

I signed up using the name "Rob Tamaki, M.A.Sc., P.Eng., Civil Engineer, Vancouver, BC." I'm sure you all know what that means in my favorite language.

[Undesired Walrus]

Ive only played it single player mode.
It took a ridiculously long time to get past that horrible, multiheaded, pecky, snakebird-like thing in the pit.
Clang, clang, it went with its beak, took you out in no time.
God, its all coming back now.
:eek:

You kidding? The hardest part was that room in which you had to walk through the water with the electronic sparks in the water.

[scissorhands]

It was really scary, maybe thats what made it harder to negotiate.
Pecking away like that.

[H'ethetheth]

It was really scary, maybe thats what made it harder to negotiate.
Pecking away like that.You too, huh? Then I learned that hand grenades helped.

[scissorhands]

Hand grenades in a very controlled manner, while moving very quickly.
I spent what seemed like weeks, with Barney the guard, on that balcony, lobbing them into the pit.
It was soul destroying, pointless, and Barney never told me.

[Furcifer]

I signed up using the name "Rob Tamaki, M.A.Sc., P.Eng., Civil Engineer, Vancouver, BC." I'm sure you all know what that means in my favorite language.

Isn't Tamaki sushi in a cone?

[pomeroo]

I finally managed to obtain some information about William Rice. Deborah Raad, assistant to the academic dean at Vermont Technical College, informs me that Rice taught there until his retirement in either 1987 or 1989. He was in his sixties then, so the article he wrote for that loony-left newspaper was the product of a man in his eighties who has evidently not read anything about the events of 9/11/01.

[slugmancs]

I spent a while looking up licenses to see who wasn't legit:

No License:
Yuri A. Durak - NY
Chris Swigert - CA
Ken Kious - CA
J. Marx Ayres – CA
Robert Nielson – CA; expired Architect, no Land Survey
Joseph Testa – CA
Thomas Kuhn - CA
Berevtov Szánitiy – CA
Bryan Phelps – CO
Ms. Janet Garrison, Licensed Educational Engineer– CO;
You can get a license for that? Can’t find it on ALISON (CO database).
Nazareth Lansing – TX
Dr. Michael Voschine – FL
No record of engineering license or PhD.
Dr. P.S. Merkwurdiglieb – FL
No record of engineering license or PhD.
Werner Planck – ILL
John Franklin - ME

Sites used to verify:
NY:
http://www.op.nysed.gov/opsearches.htm
CA Architects:
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/wllqryna$lcev2.startup?p_qte_code=GEN&p_qte_pgm_code=0600
CA PE:
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/wllqryna$lcev2.startup?p_qte_code=ENG&p_qte_pgm_code=7500
CA Land Surveyor:
http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/wllqryna$lcev2.startup?p_qte_code=LND&p_qte_pgm_code=7500
CO:
https://www.doradls.state.co.us/alison.php
MASS:
http://license.reg.state.ma.us/public/licque.asp?query=personal&color=red&board=AR
TX:
http://www.tbpe.state.tx.us/
ILL:
https://www.idfpr.com/DPR/licenselookup/default.asp
NV:
http://boe.state.nv.us/rosterc.htm
ME:
http://www.maine.gov/professionalengineers/database.shtml

Use it to expose the frauds (but take out the ones you know to be joke names).

[Anti-sophist]

I went through a similar process. I don't know whether to call out the fakes by name, or not.

Several of them are very obvious fakes after a bit of research, but I don't want to state them because I'd prefer them to stay up.

[Totovader]

Don't do their work for them, please.

[Slayhamlet]

And now Alex Floum is touting Mark's creds over at 9/11 Blogger.



http://911blogger.com/node/9023
These people are beyond parody.

God, these people are dense!

You'd think they might learn a lesson from this, but you'd be wrong.

[Slayhamlet]

Well, maybe they should lay off the coffee, then.

Yes it is, definitely one that holds up well over time.

That it does. I enjoyed Half-Life 2 with its cool realistic physics engine, but I must say I still prefer the atmosphere of the original.

[Tbone]

That it does. I enjoyed Half-Life 2 with its cool realistic physics engine, but I must say I still prefer the atmosphere of the original.

Needed more Ravenholme.


But with less of those poison headcrab throwing zombies and more circular saw blades.

[chipmunk stew]

If anything, we're a disorganized trolling group.
That's precisely why we've gotten as far as we have.
[/LUCUS]

[chipmunk stew]

Actually I did, but I forgot to take a screen shot. Oh well.
Did someone call for OBL?
Screenshot for posterity/blogging:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/2007-05-30_ae911petition.png
:D

[Furcifer]

Did someone call for OBL?

:D

i knew i saw OBL up there as an architect. :)

priceless

[beachnut]

Screenshot for posterity/blogging:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g73/chipmunk_stew/2007-05-30_ae911petition.png
Next time I go to PA, you need a beer or something. I was saving pages but they cleaned it up before I got the chance.

Thanks for saving the funny stuff. I expected some new stuff from this new guy Gage, but he is just Jones junk all over. Like a clone. Is there money is this or something? What does a school pay for idiots to speak lies about 9/11?

[TellyKNeasuss]

I spent a while looking up licenses to see who wasn't legit:

How many of these guys do you think are retired? I stumbled across the obituary for the son of J. Marx Ayres (who apparently worked with HVAC systems), who died this year at the age of 53. That would make J. Marx Ayres approximately how old?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Needed more Ravenholme.


But with less of those poison headcrab throwing zombies and more circular saw blades.
Yeah, my wife had no trouble telling (without looking) when I was fighting:
bipeds (zombies, troopers, etc): *BLAM* "heh heh heh"
vs
headcrabs: "AAAGH" *BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM*

[Corsair 115]

You kidding? The hardest part was that room in which you had to walk through the water with the electronic sparks in the water.The most annoying parts were the damned jumping puzzles. Zeus almighty I hated - HATED - those jumping puzzles.

[Mobyseven]

Use it to expose the frauds (but take out the ones you know to be joke names).

And yet you left in:

Yuri A. Durak (Check an earlier link...)
Thomas Kuhn (Look him up on wiki.)
Berevtov Szánitiy (Say this one out loud.)
Janet Garrison (Sound familiar?)

[AZCat]

And yet you left in:

Yuri A. Durak (Check an earlier link...)
Thomas Kuhn (Look him up on wiki.)
Berevtov Szánitiy (Say this one out loud.)
Janet Garrison (Sound familiar?)

Yet when confronted, they seem strangely resistant to admitting that the list has not been fully "cleansed".

[Furcifer]

That list has seriously gotten smaller since this morning.

[beachnut]

That list has seriously gotten smaller since this morning.
This has been a big day for AE9/11t, 93, 71, 72, 74, 44! I bet some real AE guys got upset when they had emails and phone calls from some nut case web site.

Change 11 - Note: We will display Architects and Engineers on our supporters list after we contact you and verify your information.
Others will be accepted on your honor and be displayed after review of your information.

[Totovader]

Aww, he finally removed Nick "Cadet" Lechers, which- I happen to know- was an anagram for CHECK CREDENTIALS.

Now it's time to contact the rest of them and find out if they're real...

[Corsair 115]

Did the G-Man finally get Gordon Freeman off of the list?

[boloboffin]

I wish I had submitted Cesar Paley.

[DarkMagician]

Dammit, just saw this. I wanted to join in and add "Hugh G. Rection", but I guess his opinion really doesn't matter.

[uk_dave]

Someone had added 'Ron Jeremy'....

....I suspect it was abby scott's doing.

[H'ethetheth]

God, these people are dense!

You'd think they might learn a lesson from this, but you'd be wrong.Actually, some of them did learn the lesson: agreed.

We should all thank Mark Iradian for inadvertently pointing out the flawed signup system!emphasis mine. :D

Gits.

[stilicho]

http://www.ae911truth.org/joinus.php

Put any name you want, any occupation, and you are on the list. I'll let you guess who I added.

This thing went down faster then Scholars for 9/11 Truth.
So first we have pilots for truth pretending that Arabs can't fly, architects for truth pretending that fire doesn't weaken steel. What's next? I can see it...yes..."Stockbrokers For 9/11 Truth". Our leader is "Warren from Omaha"...no, wait..."DOCTOR Warren from Omaha". He has all the proof that you can't write derivatives or participate on the CBOE unless you know ahead of time what's going to happen. We have inside proof that the SEC is controlled by the Vice-President of the US. AND, we know that real estate developers typically detonate explosives in their assets to earn income and order around fire departments to help us plant them (secretly).

It's all on our new website: batshitinsane.org

[Foolmewunz]

The whole site is nonsense, and their forum is just a cloning of PFT or LCF. They're already banning people they don't like and naturally ignoring their own trolls.
Thus far they have, like, a popcorn engineer and a buttered toast engineer, and that's about it from the Truther side posting on the forum. But naturally they have ChuckSheen, IamTruth, Pdoh, Roxdog(the real and a nice fake who's probably one of our good friends here), Ace Baker, and 28th Kingdom.
Gee, I didn't know these guys were engineers/architects?

[gumboot]

I was thinking of starting up "Retail Workers for 9/11 Truth" to be associated with their sister site; "Office Workers for 9/11 Truth".

-Gumboot

[scissorhands]

The list of architects is getting smaller by the hour, Norman Foster and Gordon Freeman have both left the house, in disgust.
Did I hear that the bannings have already begun?

[8den]

The list of architects is getting smaller by the hour, Norman Foster and Gordon Freeman have both left the house, in disgust.
Did I hear that the bannings have already begun?

Ah the purges... Nothing says "I'm trying to find the truth" like banning polite dissent.

[JonnyFive]

So don't call me old........

I ain't sayin' nothin', cause in a few years I'll look at those newfangled kids with their newfangled holographic reality simulators that I can't stand and I'm going to feel old. ;)


I was walking through Srebrenica once, which is still pretty much trashed from the war. Bombed out buildings and such. Only about 10% of the population had returned at the time. Anyway... I came across this little Internet cafe, one of the few businesses in town, and looked inside to see a bunch of teenagers blowing each other way in Half Life. Kinda sureal.

That is incredibly surreal.


Needed more Ravenholme.


But with less of those poison headcrab throwing zombies and more circular saw blades.

If by "less of" you mean "none" then I totally agree with you. I hated those stupid things.


Did the G-Man finally get Gordon Freeman off of the list?

Yes, he appears to have finally been removed. He should've been listed a physicist though, not an architect. :)

[T.A.M.]

This is classic. And they wonder why noone takes them seriously.

TAM:)

[DGM]

Hi I'm new here but I have to share these emails to Richard Gage,


From: xxxxxxxxx [xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:03 AM
To: Richard Gage
Subject: {Spam?} Re: RE: WTC 7

Hi Richard;
Thanks for the response. The point I'm trying to make is why not show the complete collapse (WTC 7) on the home page (upper right corner). This seems deceptive because you only show part of the collapse then ask the question CD? The building didn't fall in 6.6 seconds right?



xxxxx- you are the only one I have ever heard so far who disagrees with the 6.5 second fall. Not even the debunkers challenge this. Richard


From: xxxxxxxxxx [xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:25 AM
To: Richard Gage
Subject: {Spam?} Re: RE: WTC 7


Richard;
This is the only fire picture of WTC 7 you have? Do you need me to send more? Glad to help. xxxxx



Yes, please send them xxxxxx. Thanks, Richard

[T.A.M.]

it falls in approximately 6.5 to 8 seconds IF, IF you do not include any of the Penthouse collapse in your timing of it...

TAM:)

Edit: Welcome to the forum DGM.

[chipmunk stew]

Welcome, DGM! :w2:

Keep us posted. What led you to contact him, BTW?

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

it falls in approximately 6.5 to 8 seconds IF, IF you do not include any of the Penthouse collapse in your timing of it...

TAM:)

Edit: Welcome to the forum DGM.
[Emperor Palpatine voice]
Come to the Dork Side TAM. Replace your pathetic 'IF, IF' with 'IFF'.
[/Emperor Palpatine voice]

[T.A.M.]

Well I would, would if I could, could if I should master palpatine.

TAM:)

[DGM]

Welcome, DGM! :w2:

Keep us posted. What led you to contact him, BTW?
Just a visit to his site and wanted to see if he would answer. I can't get over that I'm the first to question the time of collapse. Me and my 9 year old that is.

[chipmunk stew]

Just a visit to his site and wanted to see if he would answer. I can't get over that I'm the first to question the time of collapse. Me and my 9 year old that is.
I know, that's nuts. The fact that you're the "only one [he has] ever heard so far" question it simply means that he had no curiosity about any of the counter-arguments before embarking on "the warrior's path (http://www.ae911truth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5)."

[Gravy]

Welcome, DGM.

I was going to start a thread at aetruth about the WTC 7 collapse time issue, directed to Richard Gage, but I've been banned.

Gage is ignorant. I've never seen a "debunker" who didn't challenge the nonsensical 6.5-second collapse time claim. Feel free to shoot Gage the link to my paper about how the conspiracists make crap up about WTC 7:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction

[AZCat]

Welcome, DGM.

I was going to start a thread at aetruth about the WTC 7 collapse time issue, directed to Richard Gage, but I've been banned.

Gage is ignorant. I've never seen a "debunker" who didn't challenge the nonsensical 6.5-second collapse time claim. Feel free to shoot Gage the link to my paper about how the conspiracists make crap up about WTC 7:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction

You've been banned already?! I'm impressed - it either means your reputation is more fearsome than I'd thought or the new site (and subsequent forum) will be more worthless than I'd anticipated.

[chipmunk stew]

You've been banned already?! I'm impressed - it either means your reputation is more fearsome than I'd thought or the new site (and subsequent forum) will be more worthless than I'd anticipated.
False dichotomy. :D

edit: The justification is hilarious. I think I'll nominate it for a Stundie:
Banned for unsuccessful attempts at skepticism and trolling

[AZCat]

False dichotomy. :D

Ahhh... Dagnabit.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, I guess. I forgot to include the ubiquitous "other" option.

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Ahhh... Dagnabit.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, I guess. I forgot to include the ubiquitous "other" option.
And the 'both' option.

[Foolmewunz]

You've been banned already?! I'm impressed - it either means your reputation is more fearsome than I'd thought or the new site (and subsequent forum) will be more worthless than I'd anticipated.

They jumped on "Mark Roberts" in a heartbeat. Next to go was someone imitating PDOH. I can't believe that the person who hijacked "Roxdog" hasn't yet been banned (forcing Rox to use a zero, i.e. r0xdog in his name to fight for his inalienable rights to be an asshat)..... I'm not going to be there for long - challenging the mod idiots is not going to guarantee you a future, there.
(Never mind - regulars here will recognize my style - I'm socking it 'cuz "Foolmewunz" is a little too blatant.)

The blush is off the rose, by the way. No one visits, much less posts.... It's like a ghost town... the tumbleweeds are just rolling through....

[chipmunk stew]

The blush is off the rose, by the way. No one visits, much less posts.... It's like a ghost town... the tumbleweeds are just rolling through....
But they have a name! And a website! That means architects and engineers are on their side...it does!

[DGM]

Welcome, DGM.

I was going to start a thread at aetruth about the WTC 7 collapse time issue, directed to Richard Gage, but I've been banned.

Gage is ignorant. I've never seen a "debunker" who didn't challenge the nonsensical 6.5-second collapse time claim. Feel free to shoot Gage the link to my paper about how the conspiracists make crap up about WTC 7:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction
I sent him your links plus a few others and about 27 8x10 color glossy photos. I also asked him if he heard of NIST(there seems to be a chart). Can't wait for the reply

[chipmunk stew]

Heh. I just noticed that they're still listing "Christopher Backus" as an engineer. :D

[beachnut]

The web site and the forum have become bright lights for the bugs of truthyness of all things 9/11 truth. It must of been a dry year.

What is this need to join a movement for Dick Gage? Has the truth movement elite started selling franchises. Canned PowerPoint presentation starters, how to book talks for money. What is going on, did the truth elite read the book on Roy Kroc? This new web site is like a clone of all the rest in the truth movement. If you have the time to see Gage's version of 9/11, you will learn, you have seen it before. Mr Gage does not ever get any architect "stink" on it.

[Corsair 115]

I was thinking of starting up "Retail Workers for 9/11 Truth" to be associated with their sister site; "Office Workers for 9/11 Truth".Surely then we must also have, "Unemployed Workers for 9/11 Truth," as well?

[Triterope]

What is this need to join a movement for Dick Gage? Has the truth movement elite started selling franchises?

Because there are too many competing theories and competing personalities for more than a handful of Twoofers to exist under one roof at one time. Twoofers have wildly different ideas about what caused 9-11, and even those who do agree can't put their egos aside for the good of the cause. As the saying goes, the Twoof movement has a lot of chiefs and relatively few indians.

It's all about market share now. 9-11 Truth is just another fringe group, and it's being marketed to just like every other fringe group. Every form of woo that exists -- alien abductions, tax-evasion schemes, NESARA, crystals, you name it -- has a group of people that makes a living by enabling it with books, DVDs, and websites. 9-11 conspiracy theory is just a new flavor of that pie.

There are dozens of 9-11 Truth groups for the same reason your town has dozens of hamburger stands. It's not about the highminded ideal of making sure everyone has a hamburger; it's about what the market will bear, made up of people competing with each other to carve out their own piece of the action.

The 9-11 conspiracy phenomenon makes a lot more sense when you view it for what it is -- a business venture, not a political movement.

[jhunter1163]

I sent him your links plus a few others and about 27 8x10 color glossy photos. I also asked him if he heard of NIST(there seems to be a chart). Can't wait for the reply

I can hear it now... "Kid, we found your name on an envelope underneath a half a ton of garbage, and we just wanna know if you have any information about that."

"Yes, sir, Mr. Gage, I cannot tell a lie... I put that envelope under that garbage."

Banned!

[rwguinn]

Because there are too many competing theories and competing personalities for more than a handful of Twoofers to exist under one roof at one time. Twoofers have wildly different ideas about what caused 9-11, and even those who do agree can't put their egos aside for the good of the cause. As the saying goes, the Twoof movement has a lot of chiefs and relatively few indians.

It's all about market share now. 9-11 Truth is just another fringe group, and it's being marketed to just like every other fringe group. Every form of woo that exists -- alien abductions, tax-evasion schemes, NESARA, crystals, you name it -- has a group of people that makes a living by enabling it with books, DVDs, and websites. 9-11 conspiracy theory is just a new flavor of that pie.

There are dozens of 9-11 Truth groups for the same reason your town has dozens of hamburger stands. It's not about the highminded ideal of making sure everyone has a hamburger; it's about what the market will bear, made up of people competing with each other to carve out their own piece of the action.

The 9-11 conspiracy phenomenon makes a lot more sense when you view it for what it is -- a business venture, not a political movement.
Nominated

[scissorhands]

Looks from this like the only person on the forum will be Richard Gage.



Members and friends,

We will be re-setting the Forum for use by members only. This will allow us to engage in a much more productive discussion, debate and research. All are welcome to join AE911truth.org and you will be displayed as a member on our website demanding a Congressional investigation with subpoena power of the building collapses on 9/11. Architectural and engineering professionals will be displayed along with your professional status, City, and State or residence or practice after we contact you and verify your identity and credentials. "Others" will be displayed pending similar verification. You will then have access to the user forum.

We regret that we have had to take these measures which are due to the abuse of the forum by those who do not respect productive technical analysis and have been disruptive to the discussions. I also regret that I have been completely slammed preparing for and giving the 2 talks in Canada this week such that I was unable to participate in some of the more productive discussions that have taken place here.

We will provide a post to guide everyone in the re-registering process. Again - sorry for pulling the carpet right at the beginning, but we have lost patience with impostors, disruptors, etc. I guess we had to learn the hard way.

We'll see you members on the new Forum!

Richard Gage, AIA

[Architect]

For what it's worth, in the RIBA we'd send the heavies round for people who used our logo in the way that Mr. Gage has purloined the AIA one. We only permit its use on drawings, site singboards, and (if you're really lucky) correspondence.

I'm tempted to make a prfessional approach to them myself....

[uk_dave]

Pdoh!:
Richard, just to let you know, the architects who post at JREF are now making approaches to AIA, telling them that you are bringing their organisation into disreopute by using their logo.

http://ae911truth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=57

Pdoh! really loves us :D

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I can hear it now... "Kid, we found your name on an envelope underneath a half a ton of garbage, and we just wanna know if you have any information about that."

"Yes, sir, Mr. Gage, I cannot tell a lie... I put that envelope under that garbage."

Banned!
And that's when you end up next to mother rapers, father stabbers, and even father rapers.

[uk_dave]

Looks from this like the only person on the forum will be Richard Gage.

Whichever one of our operatives came up with that one, I have to say you've played a blinder!!

The deviousness of it is awesome....

Create a fake branch of the 'truth' movement supposedly made up of Architects and Engineers, then start a forum.

Get all the eager young 'truthers' to sign up and then piss them off by allowing skeptics to join with their inconvenient facts.

Then, and this is the genius part, make a bold announcement that in order to avoid all the skeptics and their inconvenient facts, you're going to make the forum subscription only. At which point all the eager young 'truthers' will be offering up their names, addresses, telephone numbers and any other bits of personal information we can wring out of them, in order to belong to the exclusive 'truther' club.

Oh Big Owl is gonna have an extra special bonus for the devious NWO operative responsible for this one.

muhahahahahahahaha:D

[Mr. Skinny]

If some of his architects and engineers had actually posted something over there worth looking at, it would have had a better start.

Lacking that, it just became another 9/11 debate site with nothing particularly new to offer.

Too bad. I was actually looking forward to hearing from some "truthers with credentials".

[beachnut]

If some of his architects and engineers had actually posted something over there worth looking at, it would have had a better start.

Lacking that, it just became another 9/11 debate site with nothing particularly new to offer.

Too bad. I was actually looking forward to hearing from some "truthers with credentials".

They are a members only, NAZITruther forum. Herr Gage is locking down the truth!

Members and friends,

We will be re-setting the Forum for use by members only. This will allow us to engage in a much more productive discussion, debate and research
http://ae911truth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=730#730

Grown up professionals act just like Kids at LCF. Once again the "truth" has to hide from the general public. What will Pdoh do to post there? He thinks they will be taking him along on the professional trip to "truth" and fraud.

[scissorhands]

Whichever one of our operatives came up with that one, I have to say you've played a blinder!!

The deviousness of it is awesome....

Create a fake branch of the 'truth' movement supposedly made up of Architects and Engineers, then start a forum.

Get all the eager young 'truthers' to sign up and then piss them off by allowing skeptics to join with their inconvenient facts.

Then, and this is the genius part, make a bold announcement that in order to avoid all the skeptics and their inconvenient facts, you're going to make the forum subscription only. At which point all the eager young 'truthers' will be offering up their names, addresses, telephone numbers and any other bits of personal information we can wring out of them, in order to belong to the exclusive 'truther' club.

Oh Big Owl is gonna have an extra special bonus for the devious NWO operative responsible for this one.

muhahahahahahahaha:D

The backdoor is ready.
Dont expect immediate results as the processing of details takes a while.
Use the normal login for updates.
Wait for further instructions there.

[scissorhands]

You have been banned from this forum.
Please contact the webmaster or board administrator for more information.


And I dont think I could have been more polite.
:confused:

[Mr. Skinny]

They are a members only, NAZITruther forum. Herr Gage is locking down the truth!

What I was getting at was this: If Mr. Gage's credentialed membership had opened the forum with a scholarly paper or two re. 9/11, the discussion might have given the two sides of the issue something new to debate.

As it turned out, in just two days time, it became just another 9/11 debate site.

Seems Mr. Gage just didn't have his act together. I think I could have predicted this result.

[qarnos]

Members and friends,

We will be re-setting the Forum for use by members only. This will allow us to engage in a much more productive discussion, debate and research. All are welcome to join AE911truth.org and you will be displayed as a member on our website demanding a Congressional investigation with subpoena power of the building collapses on 9/11.

...etc...


I thought the "debate" was over and they are now just trying to spread the word... How are you going to do that if you stop people from using your forum unless they already agree with you? :confused:

[slyjoe]

Welcome, DGM.

I was going to start a thread at aetruth about the WTC 7 collapse time issue, directed to Richard Gage, but I've been banned.



http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2638593#post2638593

Over/under had it at 3 days on 28 May 2007 at 8:19 AM MST.

JUST under the wire. :)

[beachnut]

What I was getting at was this: If Mr. Gage's credentialed membership had opened the forum with a scholarly paper or two re. 9/11, the discussion might have given the two sides of the issue something new to debate.

As it turned out, in just two days time, it became just another 9/11 debate site.

Seems Mr. Gage just didn't have his act together. I think I could have predicted this result.I think it was possible. But after I was tricked thinking I would see something new when he first started with his video posting. I watched a wasted hour or two of the same old Dr Jones junk, as if it was a package for a new business fraud.

Just the same old junk. With nothing new, the AEF should be the slowest "truth" forum on the planet. I expect most professionals to stand up and expose Gage as an idiot with a prepackaged script of lies.

[DGM]

I can hear it now... "Kid, we found your name on an envelope underneath a half a ton of garbage, and we just wanna know if you have any information about that."

"Yes, sir, Mr. Gage, I cannot tell a lie... I put that envelope under that garbage."

Banned!
I wonder if he'll answer any more of my emails now that I'm banned.

[jhunter1163]

And that's when you end up next to mother rapers, father stabbers, and even father rapers.

But.... but I've rehabilitated myself!

[beachnut]

The backdoor is ready.
Dont expect immediate results as the processing of details takes a while.
Use the normal login for updates.
Wait for further instructions there.
Truthers in the front door, solent green out the back.

[scissorhands]

Truthers in the front door, solent green out the back.

Ahem, yes something along those lines.
Remember that "loose lips sink ships".

[Kent1]

I'd join the site, however I have two problems.

1. For others to see my name associated with the site might hinder my research and credibility.

2. Currently they have added NOTHING new to the debate and tend to be far behind current research. Gage uses a phony explosion video, they claim there's only one photo of WTC7 fire, alive hijackers, etc. etc.

[Triterope]

This is pathetic (http://forums.randi.org/From%20http://ae911truth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=730):


We will be re-setting the Forum for use by members only. This will allow us to engage in a much more productive discussion, debate and research. All are welcome to join AE911truth.org and you will be displayed as a member on our website demanding a Congressional investigation with subpoena power of the building collapses on 9/11. Architectural and engineering professionals will be displayed along with your professional status, City, and State or residence or practice after we contact you and verify your identity and credentials. "Others" will be displayed pending similar verification. You will then have access to the user forum.



So anyone can join them in ordering Congress to make a new investigation into 9-11, but to post on the forum you have to be verified first. Nice priorities.

[Mr. Skinny]

But.... but I've rehabilitated myself!
Then why are you still on the Group W bench?

[CHF]

I must say, I was rather hoping that the twoofers' first engineering site wouldn't be run like all the ones with punk kids at the helm.

[WildCat]

I can still post there, don't know for how long. There's a lot of no-planers on that forum. I'm truly astonished that Ace Baker has company in his beliefs. CB_Brooklyn is certain no one actually saw any planes hit the towers, and buys into the live TV CGI and beam weapon nonsense.

Oh well, had some fun there.

[beachnut]

This is pathetic (http://forums.randi.org/From%20http://ae911truth.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=730):

So anyone can join them in ordering Congress to make a new investigation into 9-11, but to post on the forum you have to be verified first. Nice priorities.
Catch 22, you have to be one of us to debate us.

That will be one, real, silent, forum. Everyone will be saying, yes you are right, no you are right, yes you were, no you were. We agree on everything, how perfect. What do we do with those who disagree? No one disagrees, we are all us...

[CptColumbo]

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[beachnut]

For what it's worth, in the RIBA we'd send the heavies round for people who used our logo in the way that Mr. Gage has purloined the AIA one. We only permit its use on drawings, site singboards, and (if you're really lucky) correspondence.

I'm tempted to make a prfessional approach to them myself....
If AIA does not make Gage take down their symbol and name, then they do not live up to their own words.

[scissorhands]

I can still post there, don't know for how long. There's a lot of no-planers on that forum. I'm truly astonished that Ace Baker has company in his beliefs. CB_Brooklyn is certain no one actually saw any planes hit the towers, and buys into the live TV CGI and beam weapon nonsense.

Oh well, had some fun there.

I think CB_Brooklyn is an Ace sock, hes taken to talking to himself.

[beachnut]

Gage has taken it down, so you have to sell your soul to post at AEFTF when it comes back. He is busy spreading lies in Canada.

[AZCat]

I can still post there, don't know for how long. There's a lot of no-planers on that forum. I'm truly astonished that Ace Baker has company in his beliefs. CB_Brooklyn is certain no one actually saw any planes hit the towers, and buys into the live TV CGI and beam weapon nonsense.

Oh well, had some fun there.

Forum's down now, links there take you to Gage's note about re-setting the forums.

I think this para is worth noting:
We regret that we have had to take these measures which are due to the abuse of the forum by those who do not respect productive technical analysis and have been disruptive to the discussions. It is an unfortunate reality that there are those who prefer to spread negativity and cause problems under the guise of honest and intelligent discussion and debate. The time for debate has passed and we must now move forward and look to the future. Apologies to those who chose to support ae911truth.org, and made valuable and appreciated contributions with their posts. We hope you return to our new forum. (emphasis mine)

I think the quote speaks for itself. I, for one, am not expecting much from the AE9/11Truth group.

[Foolmewunz]

Mr. Gage, I do believe, forgot the most important thing:

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/11085462af78c6c00a.bmp (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=5268)

[SpitfireIX]

I'm tempted to make a prfessional approach to them myself....

I was thinking of doing that also, as a mechanical engineering student. I'm not sure it'd be worth it, though--I'm sure they'd just kick me out as soon as I opened my mouth. Also, as I've previously pointed out to a member of S911T, I feel that Canon 6, and its Interpretation a) of the ASME Code of Ethics (http://files.asme.org/asmeorg/Communities/Students/8853.pdf) prohibits me from joining or participating in any events sponsored by such an organization.

6. Engineers shall associate only with reputable persons or organizations.
a. Engineers shall not knowingly associate with or permit the use of their names or firm names in business ventures by any person or firm which they know, or have reason to believe, are engaging in business or professional practices of a fraudulent or dishonest nature.


In addition, I feel that Canon 7 and Interpretations a), b), and d) thereof also apply to AE911T

7. Engineers shall issue public statements only in an objective and truthful manner.
a. Engineers shall endeavor to extend public knowledge, and to prevent misunderstandings of the achievements of engineering.
b. Engineers shall be completely objective and truthful in all professional reports, statements or testimony. They shall include all relevant and pertinent information in such reports, statements or testimony. . . .
d. Engineers shall prepare articles for the lay or technical press which are only factual.


[ETA: For those who've read my introduction post, yes, even though I have a history degree, I'm now an engineering student (4th semester). Plus I used to be an accountant. It's a long story. :boggled: ]

[Mr. Skinny]

I'd join the site, however I have two problems.

1. For others to see my name associated with the site might hinder my research and credibility.

2. Currently they have added NOTHING new to the debate and tend to be far behind current research. Gage uses a phony explosion video, they claim there's only one photo of WTC7 fire, alive hijackers, etc. etc.
I imagine that a lot of us here could pass the qualifications to be listed, but I agree with you, Kent. Unless and until it an open site, I don't plan on associating my name with that web site.

[8den]

I think CB_Brooklyn is an Ace sock, hes taken to talking to himself.

A CB_Brooklyn turned up on a Irish message board forum just the other day. After we started laughing at Judy Wood's new paper's appendices.

Hmmmm....

[boloboffin]

CB_Brooklyn is also at DU, where he's posted a thread claiming that the ae911 boards are a 9/11 Cover Up Perp site. Evidently, he was spamming the ae911 boards with things like Killtown's Frozen Fireball crap and the ubiquitous Half In/Half Out 175 freezeframe. So maybe we can't take all the credit.

:D

[ellindsey]

CB_Brooklyn also turned up on the Straight Dope Message Board the other day, tried to push Judy Wood's energy beam dustification theory, and was laughed at.

[Architect]

If AIA does not make Gage take down their symbol and name, then they do not live up to their own words.

I find it ironic that AIA refuses to recognise European qualifications, although there is little doubt that they're equivalent standard, yet let this poor misguided fellow join.

:confused:

[Minadin]

Well, the AIA isn't the liscensing authority over here. It's just a professional organization. I could join if I wanted to pay the dues, and I'm still a couple of years away from even being eligible to take the liscensing exam.

[Brainache]

I find it ironic that AIA refuses to recognise European qualifications, although there is little doubt that they're equivalent standard, yet let this poor misguided fellow join.

:confused:

I guess it's because this Gage bloke is unlikely to steal anybody's job. Can't be having qualified folks coming over from Europe and taking the jobs of hard working American Architects. Much better to sign up local loonies who will never get any work anyway.

[T.A.M.]

I am not sure any real, honest, rational architect or engineer should join the site. I recall reading that he automatically puts your name on their protest/petition for another 9/11 investigation. Seems to me that should be an option, not something done automatically.

Not to mention, you would then be one of the "X" number of architects and engineers that he will quote as "Not believing the official story". Also something I do not think he should be doing without member approval.

TAM:)

[beachnut]

I find it ironic that AIA refuses to recognise European qualifications, although there is little doubt that they're equivalent standard, yet let this poor misguided fellow join.

:confused:
If they do not take action and ask Gage to remove the AIA symbol then they are like the BBB, just a club of guys to protect each other, not really living up to a code. (better business bureau)

I assume Gage had made his money before he went nuts. But there could be a bunch of nuts who believe in lies like him.

[uk_dave]

And I dont think I could have been more polite.
:confused:

I was treading on eggshells over there, trying to draw out of a professional just why they should believe the wtc had to be cd.

All I got was a guy claiming to be a structual engineer (Griff) but unwilling to give his opinion about the structure of the towers, an electrical engineer called doug who didn't believe in experts just basic logic (read: Common sense) and a kid from LCF (citizen pawn).

e^n did sterling work trying to be reasonable but how he manages to remain composed is beyond me (though having read through the lcf thread that turned into a debate about abortion I can only conclude that e^n has the patience of a saint)

[AZCat]

I am not sure any real, honest, rational architect or engineer should join the site. I recall reading that he automatically puts your name on their protest/petition for another 9/11 investigation. Seems to me that should be an option, not something done automatically.

Not to mention, you would then be one of the "X" number of architects and engineers that he will quote as "Not believing the official story". Also something I do not think he should be doing without member approval.

TAM:)

I think this is their plan, and exactly why a lot of us won't be joining. If Gage wants to limit discussion to those who already agree with his conclusions, I guess that's his prerogative.

[Triterope]

CB_Brooklyn also turned up on the Straight Dope Message Board the other day, tried to push Judy Wood's energy beam dustification theory, and was laughed at.

Wouldn't you love to see Cecil Adams take on the Twoofers? That would be one spectacular piece of literature.

[jhunter1163]

Then why are you still on the Group W bench?

I was just waiting for the chorus to come around again on the guitar.

[Peephole]

Ha, I was able to sneak in a faux scholar with a degree in engineering into "Scholars for 9/11 Truth & Justice" as well.

Have fun:
http://stj911.org/members/join.html

[rwguinn]

No reponsible engineer or scientist can , in good concience, join a forum which has terms of service that include
Originally Posted by Richard Gage at ae911truth.org
you will be displayed as a member on our website demanding a Congressional investigation with subpoena power of the building collapses on 9/11. Architectural and engineering professionals will be displayed along with your professional status, City, and State or residence or practice after we contact you and verify your identity and credentials. "Others" will be displayed pending similar verification. You will then have access to the user forum.

[CptColumbo]

No reponsible engineer or scientist can , in good concience, join a forum which has terms of service that include

[/B]

So to participate in the forum, you are implying that you want a new congressional investigation?

[rwguinn]

So to participate in the forum, you are implying that you want a new congressional investigation?

That's the way it reads to me.
By registering, " you will be displayed as a member on our website demanding a Congressional investigation"

I cannot see how that can be interpreted any other way.

[CptColumbo]

That's the way it reads to me.
By registering, " you will be displayed as a member on our website demanding a Congressional investigation"

I cannot see how that can be interpreted any other way.

Nice.

Well, that will certainly make any engineers and architects who disagree with their findings think twice before registering.

[SpitfireIX]

That's the way it reads to me.
By registering, " you will be displayed as a member on our website demanding a Congressional investigation"

I cannot see how that can be interpreted any other way.


This is another good point. For the ASME Code of Ethics, I can see this as not "hold[ing] paramount the public . . . welfare" by calling for unnecessary, and therefore wasteful, additional investigations. More seriously, I also see it as "indiscriminat[e] critici[sm]" of other engineers' work; specifically those who prepared the ASCE and NIST reports.

I think I also brought this up about S911T, now that you've reminded me.

[Tony Szamboti]

Why did NIST only test 1% of the beams for temperature effects?

[rwguinn]

Why did NIST only test 1% of the beams for temperature effects?
[ attempt to derail derail]
Before you post randomly in a previous thread, it would be good to learn the forum etiquette.
Start a new thread--or look up (there is a search function, if you'd like to learn to use it) what has been done and said on the topic first.
Otherwise, you look like another one of the spamming twoofers, and get treated abruptly.
In answer to the question, though--why should they look at anything other than root cause material?[/attemt to derail derail]

[Tony Szamboti]

[ attempt to derail derail]
Before you post randomly in a previous thread, it would be good to learn the forum etiquette.
Start a new thread--or look up (there is a search function, if you'd like to learn to use it) what has been done and said on the topic first.
Otherwise, you look like another one of the spamming twoofers, and get treated abruptly.
In answer to the question, though--why should they look at anything other than root cause material?[/attemt to derail derail]

rwgiunn, just so you know, I posted this first and then realized I should start a thread as it might be an interesting topic to discuss. It wasn't done at all with the intention of spamming.

[simakperrce]

Hey, they took Mohammed Atta off the list. He is actually qualified for the group, he was an architecture grad student in Hamburg. If he weren't dead from flying a plane into the World Trade Center I am sure he would be very supportive of the group.

I thought he was still alive :)

[ElMondoHummus]

... [ETA: For those who've read my introduction post, yes, even though I have a history degree, I'm now an engineering student (4th semester). Plus I used to be an accountant. It's a long story. :boggled: ]


Good God, man! Stop before you hurt yourself! Yes, law school will prolong the pain! :D

So will med school. ;)

[Swing Dangler]

As a relatively new poster here, I'm simply flabergasted by people who have committed or are considering fraud to attack an organization like AE when the facts alone from FEMA, NIST, and the Federal Government should stand on their own.

Why would you discredit yourself in an attempt to discredit an organization?
Shouldn't the facts and experts alone discredit A/E911?

Your activities alone bring into doubt the official story. Why the need to commit fraud if the facts of the OS are exactly that?

IMHO, the tactics only bring into question why someone would do that with the end result being support for the official story that should stand on its own.

[DGM]

As a relatively new poster here, I'm simply flabergasted by people who have committed or are considering fraud to attack an organization like AE when the facts alone from FEMA, NIST, and the Federal Government should stand on their own.

Why would you discredit yourself in an attempt to discredit an organization?
Shouldn't the facts and experts alone discredit A/E911?

Your activities alone bring into doubt the official story. Why the need to commit fraud if the facts of the OS are exactly that?

IMHO, the tactics only bring into question why someone would do that with the end result being support for the official story that should stand on its own.
I think it was more like helping them identify a security flaw in their member system. It makes their site better.:D

[Foolmewunz]

I think it was more like helping them identify a security flaw in their member system. It makes their site better.:D

Yeah, helping them... that's it. We were helping them to improve the quality of their site. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :spjimlad: )

[SpitfireIX]

Good God, man! Stop before you hurt yourself! Yes, law school will prolong the pain! :D

So will med school. ;)


Plus I'm finishing my last class for my A.A.S. in CAD/mechanical design this summer. :faint:

[Redtail]

As a relatively new poster here, I'm simply flabergasted by people who have committed or are considering fraud to attack an organization like AE when the facts alone from FEMA, NIST, and the Federal Government should stand on their own.

Why would you discredit yourself in an attempt to discredit an organization?
Shouldn't the facts and experts alone discredit A/E911?

Your activities alone bring into doubt the official story. Why the need to commit fraud if the facts of the OS are exactly that?

IMHO, the tactics only bring into question why someone would do that with the end result being support for the official story that should stand on its own.

Of course they did nothing to dicredit themselves when they set up the site so that anyone could claim to be a structural engineer or architect.

(Or they did and thus the mocking...)

[westprog]

Why would you discredit yourself in an attempt to discredit an organization?
Shouldn't the facts and experts alone discredit A/E911?

Your activities alone bring into doubt the official story. Why the need to commit fraud if the facts of the OS are exactly that?

IMHO, the tactics only bring into question why someone would do that with the end result being support for the official story that should stand on its own.

The reason, in this particular case, for pretending to be an architect or engineer, is to demonstrate that there is no verification process to determine whether someone claiming to be so actually is an architect or engineer. It's a relevant matter, because one of the most serious failings of the Truth Movement is that while they make claims that rely on architectural and engineering expertise, they don't have anyone on board who actually possesses such expertise. The issue in this case is the claim to have a stack of engineers who support their ideas. By showing how easy it is to make fraudulent claims, the credibility of the site has been shown to be doubtful.

As to whether the people involved have been acting fraudulently - to act fraudulently implies an intent to decieve. In this case, they have publicly advertised what they have done. It may be disruptive, but there is clearly no intention to decieve.

[uk_dave]

As a relatively new poster here, I'm simply flabergasted by people who have committed or are considering fraud to attack an organization like AE when the facts alone from FEMA, NIST, and the Federal Government should stand on their own.



A&E for truth is founded on the very notion that they are all qualified to speak with authority on what they claim to be evidence of controlled demolition of the wtc buildings.

That they are not very choosy about who they include in their list of 'qualified' people, and that they themselves are not as qualified as they would have the world believe merely invites the ridicule they deserve for being so pathetically arrogant to assume that no one would notice or test them.

And lets face it, if they can't even get a simple thing like a bloody website right, what hope is there that they're going to be right about anything else?

Oh, and it's fun to mock them.

[CHF]

As a relatively new poster here, I'm simply flabergasted by people who have committed or are considering fraud to attack an organization like AE when the facts alone from FEMA, NIST, and the Federal Government should stand on their own.

Why would you discredit yourself in an attempt to discredit an organization?
Shouldn't the facts and experts alone discredit A/E911?

The facts and experts do discredit AE911, Swing.

Part of this is the fact that people who AE911 claims are experts are in fact not experts.

God only knows how AE911's shabby membership standards is something that discredits debunkers.

[CHF]

double post

[T.A.M.]

exactly.

Just because pfizer makes viagra, and it works, and has evidence to back it up, doesnt mean we should allow Snakez Pharmaceuticals to put out their own version and take their word for it that it does the job just as well...get my drift.

Because we know the REAL truth, does not mean we should not try to expose the frauds for what they are.

TAM:)

[Donal]

Its that they represent an authority on the subject matter they don't have. Its like giving someone legal council and making them think you are a lawyer. It can be disastrous for a person not in the know.

That and we like to be a-holes sometimes.