Jason Bermas Arrested at Republican Debate

[Brainster]

Report over at 9-11 Blogger (http://www.911blogger.com/node/9188):

In early reports from the scene, Jason Bermas of Loose Change, and Matt of WeAreChange, were arrested while confronting Rudy Giuliani's spindoctor on whether or not he had read the "homework" he got from Ron Paul. These are early reports, but it's all we've got so far.

Let's hope the Secret Service stops allowing these clowns with Infowars Press Passes to attend these events.

[Unfit4Command]

After this happened I got a call from the NWO. Seems like they've put their plan to extract all of the Truthers from the world into action...

[Arus808]

I posted this in the chat thread, but this pertains

VOerYpJse30

[boloboffin]

Oh, Jeebus. Now he's a martyr.

[Brainster]

Update: According to the chatroom, Jason was not busted. One of the We Are Changers was.

[Redtail]

And now they are talking about the Koreans blowing up the Moon. <sigh>

ETA: To be fair they don't believe it just came up. (People started asking questions.)

[Arus808]

^^ to their credit however, they know its from a ************ news site

[Brainster]

Turns out this was a pretty rough day for the "Truther" press; Christopher Bollyn was found guilty of assault (http://www.dailyherald.com/story.asp?id=320118) and faces up to a year in the slammer:

The jurors said they saw holes in Bollyn's account of police brutality. Tuesday, they found the 50-year-old former Hoffman Estates mayoral candidate guilty of resisting arrest and aggravated assault.

He faces up to a year in prison and is to appear before Judge Hyman Riebman for sentencing June 25.

"I can't talk about it right now," a despondent Bollyn said minutes after the verdict.

[beachnut]

Do they arrest people for being dumb?

[Pardalis]

Are they doing a pre-election blitz or something? Ganging up on Giuliani is their new shtick now it seems... No political agenda eh? What is it going to be like when the real election time comes?
:boxedin:

[Arus808]

dont worry, statistically speaking, the age group that these troofers represent ( 18-24) rarely go to the polls and vote anyway (2004 election, only 47% of that age group actually voted). the biggest group is the over 65 crowd, as they maintain a 70% voter participation rate (save for the more "internet savy" few, they would probably not know about the 911 troof movement anyway). the ages between 24 an 65 average a 60% voter participation rate

[Zep]

I have to say that these people are a good argument why voting should NOT be compulsory! ;)

(Those who know my stance on that issue will appreciate the irony...)

[Pardalis]

It's not their vote that I'm worried about, it's their increasingly pro-active behavior, if you see what I mean...

It's one thing to spout nonsense on the internet, but another to go harass political figures in person.

[JAStewart]

It's not their vote that I'm worried about, it's their increasingly pro-active behavior, if you see what I mean...

It's one thing to spout nonsense on the internet, but another to go harass political figures in person.

Well at least they are getting off the screen and in public.

Albiet for lies and nonsense.

[MarkyX]

So lemme get this straight. They go to a convention where you need press passes to enter through; just like any other convention. Of course, they didn't have them, but still pretended to go forward. They encounter one of the guys, make accusations based on a spliced up audio CREATED by these people, and call this is an infringement of their rights?

:boggled:

[stilicho]

Are they doing a pre-election blitz or something? Ganging up on Giuliani is their new shtick now it seems... No political agenda eh? What is it going to be like when the real election time comes?
:boxedin:
I noticed the wing nuts are positioning themselves to rationalise the primary and election outcomes so that no matter who wins it's still an "inside job".

The sad part is, if these people spent even half the energy and time involving themselves in real-world political dialogue rather than asshat theories and getting themselves arrested, they just might be able to make a difference.

PS: Finally had a chance to go to the ae911 "truth" site. I looked at their on-line store to discover they're selling bumper stickers for a twoonie. A Kevin Barrett book for a sawbuck. Anyone have any idea where that money is going? I think we ought to be asking questions like that and demanding answers.

[8den]

Jason Bermas was arrested and thrown into the back of a black maria with a hood over his head, and dragged manacled into a fema concentration camp?

No?

Damn. Can't the NWO goons do anything right?

[bob_kark]

Oooh! They're getting too close to the truth! Unfortunately, the truth is that they're frickin' idiots. I like how they play it off as if the questions being asked are too tough, when the guy clearly states he believes it's a setup, which is why he asks several times to see his credentials. That crazy Ashton Kutcher...

[Unsecured Coins]

I am amused


Even though Mr. Lapecek was unable to specifically question Giuliani he was able to pepper one of Giuliani's staff members with hard questions. Despite asking these questions in a respectful manner, Mr. Lepacek was escorted out of the building even though he was asking legitimate questions and had press credentials issued to him by the debate organizers. Mr. Lepacek protested his removal from the post-debate press area and demanded to know from police officers why his Constitutional rights were being violated. He attempted to re-enter the building and was subsequently arrested and charged with criminal trespassing for merely exercising his Constitutional rights. What made this even crazier was the fact that most of this was broadcast via a live web camera feed on the We Are Change web site (http://www.wearechange.org/). Hundreds of people witnessed Mr. Lepacek be arrested by the police officers even after he informed them that video of the events were being broadcast live on the Internet.

[60hzxtl]

dont worry, statistically speaking, the age group that these troofers represent ( 18-24) rarely go to the polls and vote anyway (2004 election, only 47% of that age group actually voted). the biggest group is the over 65 crowd, as they maintain a 70% voter participation rate (save for the more "internet savy" few, they would probably not know about the 911 troof movement anyway). the ages between 24 an 65 average a 60% voter participation rate


Yeah, (forgive the foot in political commentary here, it really isn't in context) compare that to the voter turnout in Iraq, where voting can get you killed.

[Totovader]

Their repeated harassment of anyone and everyone in the political arena is starting to really bother me- they are confronting politicians and their staff who are largely ignorant of the details (and really have no reason not to be- sane and rational people don't need to know the details) and then claim there's evidence of a conspiracy because they "refuse" to answer their questions.

You do not have a right to harass people- there is no Constitutional right to re-enter a building from which you have been asked to leave. A "press pass" does not circumvent property rights. He was not respectful, he was not "just asking a question" and the rest of the video shows why- the other members of the press do not follow you around and hound you after you have said "send me your documentation, I think you're making this up".

This was harassment. The police did the right thing.

[Brainster]

More details on Lepacek's arrest here (http://www.911blogger.com/node/9191).

Though CNN staff members tried to persuade police not to arrest the accredited reporter-- in violation of the First Amendment, Lepacek was taken to jail. The police station told JonesReport.com that Lepacek is being charged with felony criminal trespass.

Lepacek did receive one phone call in jail which he used to contact reporter Luke Rudkowski. According to Rudkowski, Lepacek was scared because he had been told he may be transferred to a secret detention facility because state police were also considering charges of espionage against him-- due to a webcam Lepacek was using to broadcast live at the event. State police considered it to be a hidden camera, which led to discussion of "espionage."

[Myriad]

Okay, it's been hours now! Have the news media picked up the story yet? (Hundreds of reporters were present when it happened, so there's no reason for delay, unless maybe they're still gathering all the facts.) Which cities' populations have risen up in outrage so far?

If these things haven't happened yet, and fail to happen today or tomorrow at the latest, I'll be very disappointed in the prophetic powers of the people in the tnrlive chat room last night.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[The Doc]

This reminds me of the people who complained for quite a lengthy period of time that they military unjustly injured them after they were 'peacefully' protesting outside a nuclear base.

Of course, their definition of 'peaceful protest' involved trying to breach the gate, attempting to cut holes in a fence and verbally abusing guards.

Trespassing is not a constitutional right. I can't believe some people consider it to be one.

[Mercutio]

We ought to send links to the Gravysites to each of the major candidate's press people, with a copy of this little video (as explanation for sending the links). They can print out a sheet of websites and when the doofuses ask their questions, they can just pull out the sheet and hand it to them. Or print the whole several reams of papers out, and pull them out and beat them about the head and shoulders with them.

[VespaGuy]

Okay, it's been hours now! Have the news media picked up the story yet? (Hundreds of reporters were present when it happened, so there's no reason for delay, unless maybe they're still gathering all the facts.) Which cities' populations have risen up in outrage so far?

If these things haven't happened yet, and fail to happen today or tomorrow at the latest, I'll be very disappointed in the prophetic powers of the people in the tnrlive chat room last night.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Hmmm. I jsut typed "LAPACEK" into google. Checked the news links. Nothing. Looks like it's just another important news story that was squashed by the NWO.

And I just checked out that video. The only thing I learned is that Bermas is a lot shorter than I thought.

[Kent1]

Hmmm. I jsut typed "LAPACEK" into google. Checked the news links. Nothing. Looks like it's just another important news story that was squashed by the NWO.

And I just checked out that video. The only thing I learned is that Bermas is a lot shorter than I thought.

Its at the drudge and its the topp digg story of the day. ANY story at Drudge gets a MASSIVE amount of hits.

These guys got just want they wanted.

[Civilized Worm]

^^ to their credit however, they know its from a ************ news site


What the hell do these guys consider a ******** news site?

[The Demon's Head]

So lemme get this straight. They go to a convention where you need press passes to enter through; just like any other convention. Of course, they didn't have them, but still pretended to go forward. They encounter one of the guys, make accusations based on a spliced up audio CREATED by these people, and call this is an infringement of their rights?

:boggled:

I can't comprehend it and it is definetly mind boggling.

[Myriad]

Its at the drudge and its the topp digg story of the day. ANY story at Drudge gets a MASSIVE amount of hits.

These guys got just want they wanted.

Actually, I don't mind this at all. For two reasons:

1. Even though I strongly feel that the people removed and arrested were in the wrong, it is, in fact, a case of people being arrested for speaking their minds (however rudely or disruptively) at a press event. All such cases should be scruitinized, and the authorities forced to justify their actions (which I'm fairly certain they can, in this case).

2. The first impression the video clip makes is hardly favorable to the truthers, and nothing happens later to reverse that. We hear and see at least three people all shouting questions at once at a person who's trying to move away from them, and pursuing him through the crowd. The "we weren't doing nuthin!" complaints afterward ring very hollow. Their behavior is right there on the video. If I were the truthers, I'd get an edited video uploaded quick, showing only the end of the arrest and the protests of innonce. Oops, too late.

Multiple people shouting "Why won't you answer the question?" at someone, without any sign of a pause to allow him to answer the question if he wanted to, will not win them sympathy.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[Redtail]

^^ to their credit however, they know its from a ************ news site

Whoops! Yet another argument against TWI (typing While intoxicated)
That should have read..

To be fair they don't believe it, it just came up. (Because People started asking questions.)

[Redtail]

While reading the comments section I ran across some who claimed that they (the truthers) edited the video tohttp://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3dd_1181140608&c=1
Anybody know what this person is talking about?

[Brainster]

While reading the comments section I ran across some who claimed that they (the truthers) edited the video.
Anybody know what this person is talking about?

He's referring to the claim that Giuliani knew of the collapse of the towers prior to the South Tower crumbling. A lot of people think Jones edited the tape--it does have some skips (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/090405gotwarning.htm) in it, which should make us skeptics concerned. But in this case it appears that it's just a poor quality tape. Here's a good quality bit without the skips:

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/tTSinAhJgVE"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tTSinAhJgVE" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

But the fact that Giuliani may have received (http://www.911myths.com/html/giuliani_and_the_wtc_warning.html) a warning about this is not a surprise to anybody but the Deniers. A structural engineer warned Battalion Chief John Peruggia shortly before the collapse (although he was initially concerned about the North Tower, not the South) that building failure was imminent.

[T.A.M.]

1. to answer the question if they arrest people for being stupid...if that was the case we would no longer need to post rebuttal here.

2. The Martyrdom comment, unfortunately, is correct. That is, in part, why these guys are so aggressive. They know if they get their sound byte...great, if not, and they get in trouble...even better...makes for better video.

3. I find it funny, but expected, that everyone they approach has this "deer in the headlights" look. When the twoofers see this, do they not understand that this is the first of many signs that these people are innocent, and have NO IDEA about the 9/11 Inside Job crap being spewed?

TAM:)

[Civilized Worm]

I am amused




Do you have a link for that?

[Brainster]

So lemme get this straight. They go to a convention where you need press passes to enter through; just like any other convention. Of course, they didn't have them, but still pretended to go forward. They encounter one of the guys, make accusations based on a spliced up audio CREATED by these people, and call this is an infringement of their rights?

:boggled:

They apparently got credentials from CNN. I hope that just means that CNN was responsible for checking credentials and decided to be quite open-minded about who qualified. These days the media are being a little nicer to bloggers and so CNN may have decided to let them in.

[Calcas]

I find it funny, but expected, that everyone they approach has this "deer in the headlights" look. When the twoofers see this, do they not understand that this is the first of many signs that these people are innocent, and have NO IDEA about the 9/11 Inside Job crap being spewed?

TAM:)

Great point.

Imagine being a public figure (or a press agent, etc) and someone rushing up to you shouting, "Isn't it true that Lizard People have infiltrated your organization?"

Your WTF are you talking about initial look is then described as a "deer in the headlights" and somehow then interpreted by the lizard lovers as proof that that you're busted.

Comedy gold. You really can't make this stuff up.

I said it elsewhere earlier today and I think I'll make it my mantra.

Crazy people don't know that they're crazy.

[MarkyX]

They apparently got credentials from CNN. I hope that just means that CNN was responsible for checking credentials and decided to be quite open-minded about who qualified. These days the media are being a little nicer to bloggers and so CNN may have decided to let them in.

*facepalm*

So why on earth did they reject showing their passes when the person they were harassing was asking for them?!

Idiots.

[Redtail]

He's referring to the claim that Giuliani knew of the collapse of the towers prior to the South Tower crumbling. A lot of people think Jones edited the tape--it does have some skips (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/090405gotwarning.htm) in it, which should make us skeptics concerned. But in this case it appears that it's just a poor quality tape. Here's a good quality bit without the skips:

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/tTSinAhJgVE"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tTSinAhJgVE" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

But the fact that Giuliani may have received (http://www.911myths.com/html/giuliani_and_the_wtc_warning.html) a warning about this is not a surprise to anybody but the Deniers. A structural engineer warned Battalion Chief John Peruggia shortly before the collapse (although he was initially concerned about the North Tower, not the South) that building failure was imminent.

Ahh ok.

[qarnos]

According to the initial reports, it was Jason Bermas who was arrested. Now we are being told it was Lepacek.

Why the change in story? What are they trying to cover up?

Hmmm...



:D

[Unsecured Coins]

you have GOT to be controlled demolitioning my leg:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/060607criminalindictments.htm

Matt Lepacek, the reporter who was kicked out of the CNN press room and arrested after asking Rudy Giuliani's staff a question, has now been released on bail. Criminal indictments are now being pursued against the police involved as well as Giuliani's staffers for their flagrant abuse of the First Amendment, assault and wrongful arrest.

[Brainster]

Lepacek is trying to get the cops (http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/060607criminalindictments.htm) and the Giuliani aide charged now.

Get this claim though:

In addition to the details that were already outlined in our previous article, fellow We Are Change member Luke Rudkowski also related how he was just silently filming the fracas when Giuliani staffers, and in particular one unidentified female, started hitting and attempting to steal his camera, before Lepacek and Rudkowski were pointed out by the staffers and five to seven police arrived to grab them and throw them out of the building.

Rudkowski of course had already said, "Giuliani lied to me, I was there too!", and "Answer the question, sir!"

[Unsecured Coins]

great minds think alike

[Thunder]

If this did guy did indeed have appropriate press credentials, then all charges against him will probably be thrown out. No matter how annoying I find these people, right is right and he probably should have not been arrested. On the other hand, if someone doesn't answer your question, you should let it go and not act like the British paparazi.

[Unsecured Coins]

If this did guy did indeed have appropriate press credentials, then all charges against him will probably be thrown out. No matter how annoying I find these people, right is right and he probably should have not been arrested. On the other hand, if someone doesn't answer your question, you should let it go and not act like the British paparazi.


He didn't get arrested for asking questions, he was removed from the building for being a douche nozzle in public and had his press credentials taken. Soon after that he tried to go in through the out door (That's a Led Zepplin reference) he was arrested for tresspassing.

JOO CAN'T DO DAT, MANG.

[DarkMagician]

*facepalm*

So why on earth did they reject showing their passes when the person they were harassing was asking for them?!

So they can fight DA MANDE!

[Thunder]

Why the hell would anyone give these guys press credentials? does recording a video for Youtube make you the press???

[Unsecured Coins]

beats the bejesus out of me.

[Brainster]

He's referring to the claim that Giuliani knew of the collapse of the towers prior to the South Tower crumbling. A lot of people think Jones edited the tape--it does have some skips (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2005/090405gotwarning.htm) in it, which should make us skeptics concerned. But in this case it appears that it's just a poor quality tape.

Actually it does appear that Jones or whoever provided him with the tape did a little creative editing. The full transcript is below; the bolded part was snipped from the video posted to Jones' site.

Giuliani: We were in a building, in which we were trapped for about 10-15 minutes. Jennings: Are you talking about the Office of Emergency--Did you go to the Office of Emergency Management? Giuliani: No, I went down to the scene and we set up a headquarters at 75 Barkley Street which was right there with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10-15 minutes then finally found an exit, got out, walked north and took a lot of people with us.

By taking out those words, whoever edited it made it seem like Rudy had 10-15 minutes notice and just strolled away without a care in the world. But if you listen to the unedited version, it's clear that the warning and the collapse were virtually simultaneous (which fits the Zarillo timeline).

[Brainster]

Why the hell would anyone give these guys press credentials? does recording a video for Youtube make you the press???

Because the media have decided that they'd better be nice to bloggers.:D

[chipmunk stew]

Actually it does appear that Jones or whoever provided him with the tape did a little creative editing. The full transcript is below; the bolded part was snipped from the video posted to Jones' site.



By taking out those words, whoever edited it made it seem like Rudy had 10-15 minutes notice and just strolled away without a care in the world. But if you listen to the unedited version, it's clear that the warning and the collapse were virtually simultaneous (which fits the Zarillo timeline).
I am shocked, completely utterly sh0xx0rd!1!, that they edited the video to change the meaning. (They really take this idea of "info wars" seriously, don't they?)

[Cuddles]

I am shocked, completely utterly sh0xx0rd!1!, that they edited the video to change the meaning. (They really take this idea of "info wars" seriously, don't they?)

But they take this idea about "truth" a little less seriously.

[Belz...]

Ionizing radiation doesn't tingle.


???

[Brainster]

Check out this interview (http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/06/06/gibson-the-ron-paul-truthers/index.html) of Rudkowski and Lepacek by John Gibson. Listen all the way through, it's well worth it.

[boloboffin]

Anybody that can work themselves that far under John Gibson's skin, they can't be that bad. ;)

[Rrramon]

According to the initial reports, it was Jason Bermas who was arrested. Now we are being told it was Lepacek.

Why the change in story? What are they trying to cover up?

Hmmm...



:D

Notice the striking similarity in the jawbones and brow lines of Lepacek and the arresting "officer"--yet the proponents of the Official We Are Change Story expect us to believe they have no relation.

DEMAND 6-06 TRUTH!!!

[Brainster]

Anybody that can work themselves that far under John Gibson's skin, they can't be that bad. ;)

Just think how I feel, praising Noam Chomsky, George Monbiot, Alexander Coburn, and Markos Moulitsas Zuniga frequently. The VRWC definitely is suspicious that I've gone pinko. ;)

[Mince]

He attempted to re-enter the building and was subsequently arrested and charged with criminal trespassing for merely exercising his Constitutional rights.


Since when is entrance into a building a Constitutional right?

Deniers?

[nicepants]

Be sure to watch the video. The guy is a complete idiot. They were thrown out for yelling at the Giuliani rep. Everyone else was asking their questions like normal, and the twoofers were yelling and trying to make a scene.

So the police threw him out, his press credentials were revoked but he refused to hand the pass over. He asked the police what he was being charged with, they replied that he wasn't being charged with anything, he just had to leave.

At this point he asks if he will be arrested if he walks past them and tries to enter, the officers say yes.

So he walks past them and tries to enter, and they arrested him.

Not quite the same as "being arrested for simply asking a question"

He also makes the repeated claim that he was "dragged" out. The officers walked him out.