Omni-words

[elliotfc]

I see 10 options.

1) You believe in God. You believe in assigning omni-words to God.

2) You believe in God. You are non-commital about assigning omni-words to God.

3) You believe in God. You do not assign omni-words to God.

4) You are non-commital about a belief in God. You believe in assigning omni-words to God.

5) You are non-commital about a belief in God. You are non-commital about assigning omni-words to God.

6) You are non-commital about a belief in God. You do not assign omni-words to God.

7) You do not believe in God. You believe in assigning omni-words to God.

8) You do not believe in God. You are non-committal about assigning omni-words to God.

9) You do not believe in God. You do not assign omni-words to God.

10) You don't care.



Jesse, I am in camp 2. I believe in God, and I am non-committal about assigning omni-words to God.

I think you are in camp 4? You are not sure about whether God exists or doesn't exist, but you believe in assigning omni-words to God.

Why is your camp the way to go, and mine is not?

Does God have to fit into our dictionary definitions?

I believe that God has a nature, a nature that he follows. Omni-words, which are concepts that we create, may not apply to God at all. Omnipotence, if it means what we want it to mean, may never occur to God. Why should God do anything or everything that we can imagine? Perhaps we can agree that God has never built, on earth, a hamburger that is 435 feet high. Does that mean that God is not omnipotent? If you identify things that God cannot do, I respond by asking why should God do those things at all?

In the gospels Satan puts Jesus to the test. He asks Jesus to perform certain miracles. Jesus refuses. This scenario is akin to the biblical story. Why should God jump through a hoop because you question whether or not God is omni-something?

My definition of God does not include omni-words. Is this a viable alternative to your position Jesse? Who says that God has to be defined by omni-words? Did God every say that? On whose authority do you posit that God has to be defined by omni-words?

-Elliot

[Jesse2]

I am in camp 6. I believe there may or may not be some sort of thing we clumsily refer to as God. I make no claims that I know what God is. God could be the entire universe for all I know.

I don't personally make any claims that you should believe as I do.

Words are a part of language. We use words as an aid to communicate with each other about everything. We necessarily assign definitions to words. If we use words while ignoring or skewing the assigned definitions, we risk confusion in our communication.

Logically, I have found that God cannot be simultaneously omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. As for all the other God questions, they aren't relavent within the scope of what I believe. The purpose of my previous thread was to challenge the concept that God can be all three omni's.

[rustypouch]

I am in one of the camps from seven to nine. Which camp I am in depends on which god is being discussed.

I believe in no gods, but assign different description to various gods depending on the mythologies from whence they came, and whether or not they were fully fledged gods or just demigods.

For instance, Loki might be decribed as camp nine, Zeus might be camp eight, depending on the situation, and Jehova would be camp nine, as described by the bible.

[elliotfc]

Originally posted by Jesse2
I am in camp 6. I believe there may or may not be some sort of thing we clumsily refer to as God. I make no claims that I know what God is. God could be the entire universe for all I know.

I don't personally make any claims that you should believe as I do.

Words are a part of language. We use words as an aid to communicate with each other about everything. We necessarily assign definitions to words. If we use words while ignoring or skewing the assigned definitions, we risk confusion in our communication.

Logically, I have found that God cannot be simultaneously omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. As for all the other God questions, they aren't relavent within the scope of what I believe. The purpose of my previous thread was to challenge the concept that God can be all three omni's.

Jesse, I have nothing to say but...thanks. I not only understand what you're saying, but I think I even agree with you. I don't think that God can be the dictionary defintion of those three words.

Ta until September I can't spend any more time in this forum it is addictive. Family stuff, getting ready for school...well, see you all in a few weeks, and thanks. If I pop back earlier than a few weeks from now it will just demonstrate how weak of a person I truly am.

-Elliot

[evildave]

10 for me. I don't care if Aquaman is real, either.

[MRC_Hans]

Mmmm, maybe you forgot this one:

11) I believe in God and I have an irresistible urge to put people into categories.

---Sorry, I just flew in from Flame War.

Hans

[The Mad Linguist]

I don't believe in God, but I do believe in pointing and laughing at the people who claim to believe in the same God but can't agree how many omni-words he gets or, indeed, what those omni-words mean.

[Filippo Lippi]

Him gone, ran out of credits on his troll-meter.

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by evildave
I don't care if Aquaman is real, either. Off topic, but only time I care about Aquaman is when Cartoon Network does those great spoof comercials they show where an animated Aquaman (a la Superfriends) walking onto the screen in a real world setting (e.g. Time Square, a cow pasture, a library, etc.), looks around, and just starts dancing.

Makes me laugh everytime.

[Dancing David]

God is a label put by man on human experiences, if you define him as omni then it is, if not then not. Still all human labels.