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Puppycow
10th June 2007, 03:28 AM
An Islamic scholar was recently suspended from his position as a university lecturer (http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=IA35507) for issuing a controversial fatwa:

The fatwa stated that a woman who is required to work in private with a man not of her immediate family - a situation that is forbidden by Islamic law - can resolve the problem by breastfeeding the man, which, according to shari'a, turns him into a member of her immediate family.

Dr. Izzat Atiyya explained his fatwa in an interview with Al-Watani Al-Yawm, the weekly of Egypt's ruling National Democratic Front party. He said: "The adult must suckle directly from the [woman's] breast... [This according to a hadith attributed to Aisha, wife of the Prophet's Muhammad], which tells of Salem [the adopted son of Abu Hudheifa] who was breastfed by Abu-Hudheifa's wife when he was already a grown man with a beard, by the Prophet's order... Other methods, such as [transferring] the milk to a container, are [less desirable]...

Dr. Atiyya also said: "The fact that the hadith regarding the breastfeeding of an adult is inconceivable to the mind does not make it invalid. This is a reliable hadith, and rejecting it is tantamount to rejecting Allah's Messenger and questioning the Prophet's tradition."

This is the essence of literal adherence to religion. Whether or not it makes sense is beside the point. It must be true because it is the word of God. Because it is the word of God it must be true.

BTW the Holy Prophet married Aisha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old. (http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm) FWIW.
Not that there's anything wrong with that I'm sure. Since presumably Allah approved.

Corpse Cruncher
10th June 2007, 04:26 AM
How does anybody in their right mind support such a religion or even such an act?

Puppycow
10th June 2007, 06:14 AM
How does anybody in their right mind support such a religion or even such an act?

Good question. Perhaps "in their right mind" is the key phrase there. But that's the power of religion. Most learn as kids, so it is not so surprising. Critical thinking is not the default mode for kids, or many adults for that matter. If trusted adults say it is true, you believe them.

TsarBomba
10th June 2007, 10:52 PM
In a related story, from an Egyptian website:


Egypt's top mufti, Ali Gomaa, who issued a fatwa stating that drinking the urine of Mohammed was a blessed act, in response to another mufti's fatwa about adult breastfeeding as a way of overcoming the ban against contact with females, has now apologized . Egyptian Mufti Dr. Ali Gum'a has apologized for a fatwa he issued stating that the companions of the Prophet Muhammad blessed themselves by drinking his urine.

TsarBomba
10th June 2007, 10:54 PM
And another thing, the original breastfeeding fatwa said that the woman had to breastfead the man five times in order to make him her foster son, which would allow them to work together in close quarters.

One thing that was never mentioned in any story I saw on this subject was whether the "breastfeeder" had to be lactating at the time that this solumn religious ritual was to be carried out.

FarSideOfTheMoon
11th June 2007, 06:07 AM
This is the essence of literal adherence to religion. Whether or not it makes sense is beside the point. It must be true because it is the word of God. Because it is the word of God it must be true.

I still don't get the bit about how they can be so sure they are following the word of god. Surely every religion is based on something transcribed over time, or if it is a more recent religion, on the actual word of someone. Believing that something is the word of god says more to me about the nature of faith than the bit about actually believing in god itself.

fuelair
11th June 2007, 08:23 AM
There was another thread on this in the last two months - it is not showing up on search - which, unfortunately is not that unusual.

Beerina
11th June 2007, 08:33 AM
Yes, sucking a young maid's breast will help a man feel less sexual desire for her.

Because the mental model of reality (gods exist, and they think such-and-such) is completely flawed and not in accordance with actual reality (no gods exist, and hence all properties and words ascribed to them are false) reliance on those words leads you to a flawed plan of action.

Kochanski
11th June 2007, 11:43 AM
So, they come up with a moronic work-around of a moronic "law".

Somehow I think the stupid, stupid rat creatures in Bone are smarter than they are.

So, explain to me why we need to show any respect for religion, again?

bjornart
11th June 2007, 11:46 AM
And then there are muslim scholars (European Council for Fatwa and Research (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Council_for_Fatwa_and_Research)) who issue fatwas such as:
1. Muslims should do more to integrate in the countries they live
and
2. Muslim girls should continue their education even if there's a ban on hijabs

But let's judge a billion adherents religion on the statements of its most extreme nutcases.

Darth Rotor
11th June 2007, 11:52 AM
How does anybody in their right mind support such a religion or even such an act?
I suspect many a Muslim would ask: How does anybody in their right mind not support such a religion, or even such an act?

Who died and made you king of the world?

DR

rikzilla
11th June 2007, 12:17 PM
Gee,....it appears that I am my wife's foster son! How should I break the news? A mother's day card perhaps? I'm a little bit confused! :confused:

-z

BTW: Hey, c'mon, it was way easier than the manual breast pumps that were common back in the 80's.....and more fun too! ;) mmmmmtasty!

Puppycow
11th June 2007, 08:36 PM
Gee,....it appears that I am my wife's foster son!

Hey! My Brother! :D :duck:

fuelair
12th June 2007, 07:58 AM
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=82821&highlight=Fatwa+breastfeeding


found the other one - for those interested

ponderingturtle
12th June 2007, 09:43 AM
Gee,....it appears that I am my wife's foster son! How should I break the news? A mother's day card perhaps? I'm a little bit confused! :confused:


First you are going to have to explain your conversion to Islam I would think.